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- Final were keen for me to check out their new flagship IEMs. All I knew is that they used a beryllium dynamic driver. What I heard with them really surprised me.
Before anyone asks: I don't have the Sony IER-Z1R here any more to directly compare. Maybe I'll have a chance in the future.
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In the video there should be an "almost" before I said "nailed it". An interesting comment from someone who heard them was that they could hear two resonances (I would probably call it "ringing") in the treble in the sibilance region. The CSD plots provided by Final in their materials (Edit: For the E3000) seem to support that (Edit: For those plots, they were below -50dB). That could, arguably, be why they sound a bit hot in the treble.
Any chance "burn in" would help with the ringing? Because I had my personal bougbt A8000 for a while now and don't notice this ringing.
Treble is pretty smooth for me. Though my sources are not considered cold/reference.
EDIT: I noticed only in bad female pop songs where the song is simbilant on purpose is there any harshness. Ie Gwen Stefani, Love Angel Music Baby album.
Great review ! I think you should try comparing it with the FW-10000.
These 2 should be a great rival.
You should really do a review for the Victor HA-FW10000, it's the other single DD (wood!) made in Japan flagship IEM, very few reviews and content on it available in English, so your review can be groundbreaking in introducing them more outside of Japan (where they continue to receive lots of praise since their release in 2018).
How does it compare with the IER-Z1R?
You should try the U12t and the alo gold 16
Nice review. My first time I tried it with, I was so impressed by the extreme dark background with every detail being presented with incredible clarity and separation.
I normally listen to OST and Chinese POP and I totally enjoy them
I used Questyle QPM which has quite warm music presentation though, maybe it help with the treble you mentioned
So, you have a very good sounding IEM, but the comfort for long listening hours or small ears is missing. Rai Pentra, W80 and few others are very very comfortable. If it sounds good but not comfortable then is a no go for me. Maybe Dunu Luna has fixed this.
How they compare the Z1R , and u12T ?
Currawong, I have to share with you, my iem system. Soncoz dac, Jotunheim 2, KATO's with forzaAW pure copper cable; so happy. Best, D.
Hi Amos, I have looking for answer on the question for a long time, can you help, have you come across a DAP which can replace my Hugo 2?
I haven't found anything as good as the Hugo 2 to be honest. I'm waiting to find out how close the FiiO M15 comes though.
You are a legend. :)
great review but probably not to my liking since the treble is too hot..i like the design of the iem and the build quality..but i think i'd prefer blon bl03 over this when it comes to tuning and it's also metal build just like this one.
Amos, does A8000 comparable to Utopia in character wise?
a comparison video for Final A8000 and Sony MDR-EX1000 would be interesting
Hi! Fortunate to have both. The Final is way ahead of the EX1000. There’s something truly special about Beryllium. This performs almost exactly like the Utopia in IEM form.
It doesn't make sense to say that IEMs can't have soundstage. Yeah, you use your pinnae to locate high frequency sounds, but that's not relevant to any headphone if you think about it. You're listening to a speaker pushing a recorded waveform into your ear. If you got the speakers far enough away that you could locate them in a room, they're not headphones anymore, are they? Soundstage is all about tuning and psychoacoustics.
Agree. Most of v shape audio with deep bass and extended treble will have big soundstage. On the other thing (guitar tone shaping), guitarist make the eq of the amp with more bass and treble , but turn down a lil bit on the mid , so the sound/tone will have like a "bigger soundstage" or space. Sorry for my bad English
Btw, my cheap kz zs6 ( super v shaped tone, super high treble) far more soundstage than my ath r70x openback (the tone is kinda balance to warm with a lil bit recessed treble)
@@Xzvsc Your english is fine! I agree, there are definitely plenty of IEMs that will out-soundstage a lot of headphones. I love my old Sennheiser HD580s, but my ikko OH10s give a way wider presentation. It's all illusory, the brain is a weird thing!
Is the cable prone to microphonics?
The A8000 work amazing with my Chord Hugo 2. Voices sound best from it. Bass is nice. Oddly they are not more fatiguing in the treble from the Hugo 2.
Good synergy.
My EJ07 has a much better balance of impact bass to subbass. The bass never rumbles in the EJ07 like the A8000 doss, and yet somehow the EJ07 is more satisfying for EDM.
. Both have good voices, but the A8000 is a step forward as is the Japanese jpop preference.
Also not as harsh treble in the EJ07. Also there is a sense of air in the Soundstage that is nice.
I'm waiting for LUNA. :-)
Me too
Hello
thank you for your presentations of helmets to help us in our choices.
however, can you explain the expressions used by audiophiles to describe headphones such as:
- brilliant
- dark
- quick
- imagery
- dynamic
- resolution
- transparent
- detailed
- sound scene
- depth
can you make a video to explain these terms or partially answer?
There's probably some variation between how people use these terms, but basically:
- Bright = strong treble and/or less bass.
- Dark = less treble and/or more bass.
- Quick = How notes "snap", especially something like drum hits.
- Imaging = How well you can make out the space the performers are playing in (assuming a good-quality recording where this can be heard). Can you make out individual instruments clearly or are they blurred into the rest of the music?
- Dynamics = Do the headphones/IEMs present the big differences in sounds in the music clearly? Will a sudden drum hit stand out clearly or just be muted.
- Resolution = How well can you here the subtleties, from the harmonics of guitar and piano notes, to the detail of the sound echoing off the walls/venue?
- Transparent = A vague term suggesting how well the music comes through as it is without being distorted by the headphones/IEMs.
- Detailed = Resolution
- Soundstage = An aspect of imaging. How well does the "soundstage" where the performers are playing come through clearly? Do the headphones/IEMs present it as it is, or does it sound artificially wide, or too narrow?
- Depth = An aspect of imaging and soundstage. Can you hear clearly how far away instruments are from the microphones and each other?
@@Currawong
thank you for your explanations, I understand better now by your help
everything becomes clear to me now by your help, I can now better appreciate the audio qualities of each headset and make a good choice according to the appreciation of each style of music, thank you again
I bought a used pair and I don’t find the treble hot at all. Maybe the drivers do burn in?
More likely it's the FR of your ears, or the music you listen to.
I know it seems a bit trite to ask but... Where can you buy them clip on ear hooks?
Don't know. Maybe, unless someone else makes them, Final might sell them in the future like their tips?
@@Currawong they're actually on sale in a headphone shop in UK.... Thanks bud!
Nice intro music
So now have you compared these to the Sony Z1R?
I couldn't, unfortunately. I had to send the Z1Rs back to the owner. They have quite different sound signatures though. The Z1R has more bass.
Wow, it's worth $2000, just for that awesome clip thing.
What is the size of the driver?
10.8 mm
i've heard them at a show .The stage seen pretty narrow ,mid kinda thin ,bass lacks punch and treble 's somewhat unnaturally boosted to my ears compared to my atlas ,i dont know if they were burnt well enought but it seem pretty lackluster for fisrt listening.
With what music and what gear? It'd be helpful to know that.
@@Currawong mostly somes thrash and black metal tracks some queen of stone age tracks with m11 pro directly A/Bing with my favorite campfire Atlas .it took me like 10 minute before i 've got bored ,the bass was really off and stage was narrow , treb get too harsh easily may be it could be early product or prototype because it was 1 month when i listened to it or it could be not burnt yet .idk man.
@@phuocminh1621 I don't listen to black metal. I don't reckon IEMs like this are for that kind of music. I had a listen to a few Queens of the Stone Age tracks. "No One Knows" sounds quite wide, but some others, like "Goodbye Yellow Brick Road" sound narrow, because that is the way they are mastered.
@@phuocminh1621 I love listening black metal with atlas as well! New Immortal album and Mgla Vinyl rip is just surreal
@@FRATERAHA you sould check out inter arma new album sulphur english that album was beautiful.
The biggest surprise for me on canjam is beryllium IEM Dunu Luna!!!!! It is like IEM neutral version of Stellia! As the owner of tia Fourte, w80, and previous owner of kse1200 and lcdi4, that set will definitely have a place in my collection. Not impressed by Final’s berrylium IEM which lacks the X factor.
I heard about those. I might have to check them out in the future if I can.
Currawong what makes Luna even more precious is that there is no stock nationally and perhaps internationally till at least March
Mr. X erm... they have no stock because their manufacturing is halted due to coronavirus. I do not see the point of making it more precious though :)
I have tried the Luna before, people who like heavy bass might love it, in the other hand, for people who like clarity of every single detail might prefer A8000 I guess. Just my opinion though.
Dunu Luna vs this
A couple of good reviews are on HF too: www.head-fi.org/showcase/final-a8000.24043/reviews including one by the guy whom I've been discussing the treble with. It includes followup comments from Final.
Is it really hard to drive?
No. IEMs are never "hard to drive".
Thanks a lot for the info
The coming FiiO FD 1 will come with the same technology but at a made in China price.
csglinux posted a great review, including measurements (and discussion of them). www.head-fi.org/showcase/final-a8000.24043/review/23529/
They look like Juwels
What do you mean by "BA treble"?
Albeshr it usually refers to a treble that has too much grain and sounds a bit etched. It’s like an over-sharpened picture.
2000 utterly ridiculous.. in reality in prob gives an extra 5% on earphones costing a quarter of 2000
Only if you can't afford them. ;)
It depends on how much you value audio signature, i.e. buying a RTX 2080 Ti instead of a Radeon 5700, costs 1/4 less and loses 56% performance and no ray tracing. Similar but in audio perspective (no veil, great timbre & crispness- e.g. difference in hearing a glass cracking and hearing it shattering.)
@@zaghamkarim2432 agree.. my headphones and earphone collection is growing by the month and the more headphones I buy the more I realize price is no indication of my enjoyment with them. Blon 03 being an example of a cheap earphone that I enjoy far more than some expensive earphones.i wonder the costs of producing this earphone compared to selling price vs the graphics card you mention.. without any evidence to back my claim but I'm pretty sure you could find an earphone with a similar sound signature at a far far cheaper price.. this couldn't happen with a graphics card.. each to their own though. If you have the money go for it.. I do and I wouldn't
@@Currawong even if you can 😉
@@Tkarma77 yeah there are few cheap earphones that have decent tonal balances like bl03 or mh755 but people spending kilobucks for iems or headphones are not just seeking for those fine frequency responses but the resolution and micro detail retrieval things which simply aren't attainable in cheap price ranges
you can't just disparage people that seek for different values which seem unimportant to you as being ridiculous
also why watch reviews of those 'ridiculous' kilobuck iems if you are satisfied with your bl03 level earphones
Overpriced metallic mediocrity. There are sub-$1000 iems from Fearless, Thieaudio, Dunu and others that rival or exceed these in performance, quality and presentation. Can’t wait to see more of these out of touch manufacturers get wiped out of the commercial gene pool.
I'd really like to try a pair of sub-$1000 IEMs that sound this good. Have you compared any directly to the A8000 that you can recommend?
I listened to these at Canjam NYC. Kyo-San asked me to take a peep after I reviewed the D8000 pro I got from Final Japan. And these A8000 were awesome.
You want fidelity, use speakers, or headphones. Not earbuds.
oh you in real treats as how earphones' SQ has developing this past few years.
@@dadanardi5541 - The laws of physics have not changed. You cannot get blood from a turnip.
@@johnsmith1474 oh i didn't say we beat the law of physics, it's the designers that get smarter
@aa aa - Because it's physically impossible, same thing with cameras in specific aspects of performance. Light & sound are subject to physical law and physical law constrains design. That said various illusions of quality are sufficient for various purposes.
@@dadanardi5541 - Sure, and I am sure it's a great thing. You can't take speakers hiking for instance.