I like the point, army values. Its hard to recognize and appreciate that real-time and isn’t necessarily something you think about when going head to head.
This almost felt like a double negative when it came to both sides of this match. I wouldn't call this a winning Ottoman strategy at the end of the day. Big Brain sacrificed much of the actual reasons to play Ottomans by sacrificing the gradual yet consistent momentum of military schools to slowly build up an expensive and time consuming knight army through inefficient means. He could've used the free units to get his Vizier Points sooner, all while pestering and poking PTA's workers and distracting his troops to give time and room for the Field Work Imams to seize relics uncontested. Not to mention eventually just start getting knights for free from the Military Schools. Probably the reason it didn't end up failing was because PTA squandered his Men at Arms force and gave up the army lead. A poor decision rectified only by the worse decision of the opposition.
how does he age 3 before hre though and get the relics uncontested? Not to mention holding off MAA in feudal and getting the map control to get the relics
@@riddybombastic3653 you dont. you understand that you will not beat them to castle, so instead, you rather need to just delay them necessarily buying yourself time. agitate the build-, age up naturally, outposting etc. relic denial comes with the harassment- early schools allow you to create tempo even in dark age
i agree weird game im wwatching this video waiting for this "strategy" i thought his whole point was to fast castle to create Xbows theyre cheaper and more efficient than knights as you said idk boggling build tho
@@APcraft747 I was talking specifically to this game at the point when he had MAA in his base and hadn’t yet started any military buildings. I agree that what you said would be the normal counter play
@@riddybombastic3653 At the end of the day, Ottomans don't have to get to Age 3 to attempt to snatch relics from the HRE. They just need the Field Work Imams, and as quickly as possible. The quickest and most cost efficient way is having Military Schools continuously boosting existing unit production to get that first Vizier Point quickly before HRE ventures out around the Age 2-3 timeframe, which is doable even from Age 1. All the while, the Military School units can be used to harass enemy villagers, intercept enemy units seeking to harass, or escort the Imams when they go for the relics. HRE doesn't usually have substantial military forces in early to mid Feudal, and it's only when they have Regnitz or Monastery in Age 3 do they usually send the Prelates out.
Ive been trying this build with the ottomans and it works so good. Still trying to find the right build with it. Building miltary schools in age 3 late after aging up fast and getting knights out and grabbing relics . Great game!
There is saying is one local BfME community: "You're not a man if you won't charge your cavalry into spearline". Granted, in BfME spears normally almost instakill cavalry, but still: ma man!
the reason why hre lost last battle, spearmen must be in line formation, because knights are faster units, they making around units the circle and after that overwhelmed it. that was the reason why the ottoman player made two groups of knights. Because if not, you are loosing 40-50% initiative dmg. half of your units has no space to attack, or they are running on their position. And its happening with every type of meele units. Ranged units they are overkilling, what is again loosing dps.
We saw some line formation play in the Redbull wololo. I think it's a great idea, I have been meaning to experiment with it more. I wonder if things would have gone different had he used it.
right, going field work in fudal and then go fast castle to insta grap to relics was my first idea as well, when i saw it. Plus, the aoe healing. It dosent sound much but, healing for just 4 HP makes already a diffrents for many units to survive one more hit.
@@athenus.f2822 Chivalry heals Feudal Knights. Without reducing their mobility. Without exposing your vulnerable support units. Without having to be around 2 slow low HP units to be able to heal. Imams are worthless and very overestimated.
The ottomans are super flexible. I'm really happy about the people. I hope there isn't much messing around with it anymore. Not S-Tier for me, but most fun.
Honestly this game felt more like PTA making mistakes than BigBrain with a brilliant strat. Definitely interesting Knight+imans but Ottomans not building any military school is really weird to think.
a week ago I faced an ottoman played by apei against my malians, same knights build wonk and mehter, but more and faster, 5x mehter (to be sure the don't all die maybe) and more monk heal, with an happening on jannisarries and mangonnels when I start output some sofa and sprigals, using buff all the way out to beat my donso mass with ease, no issue ! its broken, knights stats are insane, so it beated my malians trade setup (on moutain pass Oo'), maybe I could have win, rushing 3, only gold and mass musofadi.. will try another time 1v1
@@redrosemassacre1 ya i main ottoman, you aint getting 3 schools 3 ranges a blacksmith (maybe you need 2) and getting castle before the burger palace ruins u. the fast castle is to even compete with the MAA
dude, it would be broken, you would get way to much valiue out of just 1 prelat. You already just need 5 prelats to fully buff an army of 80 Units AND they can heal on top of it.
@@ned8896 what do you mean its not worth investing? Inspired Warriors cost 350res the same amout as one tier2 black smith upgrade but you get +1 range and meele and 15% more damage at the same time. If you age up with Regnitze you dont even have to build an extra building to get it. People ignore it most of the time, because its to micro intens. tuning it down and making it less micro intest kills it just the other way around because it will not be inpactfull enough to use it at all. Its a great tech especially with heavy hitting units like knights, landsknechte and Handgunners.
Bruh Spearman are so useless haha. They barely are effective against knights. Once knights are masses its just so dumb. It throws off the entire counter system. Team games are even worse. It's just massive piles of knights running around because since trade is so busted it's just endless spam of knights lol
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As a wise man once said, “Paper beats rock, but paper doesn’t beat a million rocks.”
I like the point, army values. Its hard to recognize and appreciate that real-time and isn’t necessarily something you think about when going head to head.
Healing is often underrated in aoe4
@19:48 "What an absolute "Chad."" Honestly I never realized how much of a Chad I was until I started watching your videos.
This almost felt like a double negative when it came to both sides of this match. I wouldn't call this a winning Ottoman strategy at the end of the day.
Big Brain sacrificed much of the actual reasons to play Ottomans by sacrificing the gradual yet consistent momentum of military schools to slowly build up an expensive and time consuming knight army through inefficient means. He could've used the free units to get his Vizier Points sooner, all while pestering and poking PTA's workers and distracting his troops to give time and room for the Field Work Imams to seize relics uncontested. Not to mention eventually just start getting knights for free from the Military Schools. Probably the reason it didn't end up failing was because PTA squandered his Men at Arms force and gave up the army lead. A poor decision rectified only by the worse decision of the opposition.
how does he age 3 before hre though and get the relics uncontested? Not to mention holding off MAA in feudal and getting the map control to get the relics
@@riddybombastic3653 you dont. you understand that you will not beat them to castle, so instead, you rather need to just delay them necessarily buying yourself time. agitate the build-, age up naturally, outposting etc. relic denial comes with the harassment- early schools allow you to create tempo even in dark age
i agree weird game im wwatching this video waiting for this "strategy" i thought his whole point was to fast castle to create Xbows theyre cheaper and more efficient than knights as you said idk boggling build tho
@@APcraft747 I was talking specifically to this game at the point when he had MAA in his base and hadn’t yet started any military buildings. I agree that what you said would be the normal counter play
@@riddybombastic3653 At the end of the day, Ottomans don't have to get to Age 3 to attempt to snatch relics from the HRE. They just need the Field Work Imams, and as quickly as possible. The quickest and most cost efficient way is having Military Schools continuously boosting existing unit production to get that first Vizier Point quickly before HRE ventures out around the Age 2-3 timeframe, which is doable even from Age 1. All the while, the Military School units can be used to harass enemy villagers, intercept enemy units seeking to harass, or escort the Imams when they go for the relics. HRE doesn't usually have substantial military forces in early to mid Feudal, and it's only when they have Regnitz or Monastery in Age 3 do they usually send the Prelates out.
Ive been trying this build with the ottomans and it works so good. Still trying to find the right build with it. Building miltary schools in age 3 late after aging up fast and getting knights out and grabbing relics . Great game!
There is saying is one local BfME community: "You're not a man if you won't charge your cavalry into spearline". Granted, in BfME spears normally almost instakill cavalry, but still: ma man!
Ah BFME, good times.
the reason why hre lost last battle, spearmen must be in line formation, because knights are faster units, they making around units the circle and after that overwhelmed it. that was the reason why the ottoman player made two groups of knights. Because if not, you are loosing 40-50% initiative dmg. half of your units has no space to attack, or they are running on their position. And its happening with every type of meele units. Ranged units they are overkilling, what is again loosing dps.
We saw some line formation play in the Redbull wololo. I think it's a great idea, I have been meaning to experiment with it more. I wonder if things would have gone different had he used it.
I called Field Work from day dot, when I recall Drongo was still a sceptic. Now finally onboard with ol' Gorny here.
right, going field work in fudal and then go fast castle to insta grap to relics was my first idea as well, when i saw it. Plus, the aoe healing. It dosent sound much but, healing for just 4 HP makes already a diffrents for many units to survive one more hit.
Weird to hear you say the AOE heal of Imams isn't good. It's literally Chivalry for every unit that maintains during combat
its only 1 per second
@@maxmustermann3811 Like chivalry
@@athenus.f2822 Chivalry heals Feudal Knights.
Without reducing their mobility.
Without exposing your vulnerable support units.
Without having to be around 2 slow low HP units to be able to heal.
Imams are worthless and very overestimated.
The ottomans are super flexible. I'm really happy about the people. I hope there isn't much messing around with it anymore. Not S-Tier for me, but most fun.
Honestly this game felt more like PTA making mistakes than BigBrain with a brilliant strat.
Definitely interesting Knight+imans but Ottomans not building any military school is really weird to think.
a week ago I faced an ottoman played by apei against my malians, same knights build wonk and mehter, but more and faster, 5x mehter (to be sure the don't all die maybe) and more monk heal, with an happening on jannisarries and mangonnels when I start output some sofa and sprigals, using buff all the way out to beat my donso mass with ease, no issue ! its broken, knights stats are insane, so it beated my malians trade setup (on moutain pass Oo'), maybe I could have win, rushing 3, only gold and mass musofadi.. will try another time 1v1
Dam that S-club7 reference tho 😂
MAA and HRE have needed a nerf since last season
will the mouse saga get a shipuden ? or maybe some movies or netflix adaption
We know why no one goes field work against hre now
21:37
Not sure about that, but I would use 3 school 3 range, free knights + crossbows against this Burgrave timing push.
He was trying to rush castle age though, that might've slowed him down.
@@redrosemassacre1 ya i main ottoman, you aint getting 3 schools 3 ranges a blacksmith (maybe you need 2) and getting castle before the burger palace ruins u. the fast castle is to even compete with the MAA
PTA had level 1 spearmen in that last fight there I believe. Pretty costly
They are Castle Age Spearmen with all blacksmith upgrades. But the use is not correct and the mangos hurt them too much.
Ottoman has too many things going for them.
please change the colors to blue and red =( I can see nothing
Prelates buff need to be aoe like mehter. What are the devs doing?
Wouldn't that make them op when used to buff villagers?
@@alexaagerger3695 Inspired warriors and village buff are different buffs.
dude, it would be broken, you would get way to much valiue out of just 1 prelat. You already just need 5 prelats to fully buff an army of 80 Units AND they can heal on top of it.
@@traductus3337 Of course it has to be toned down. Atm it's not worth investing in, so it's a useless ability 95% of the time.
@@ned8896 what do you mean its not worth investing? Inspired Warriors cost 350res the same amout as one tier2 black smith upgrade but you get +1 range and meele and 15% more damage at the same time.
If you age up with Regnitze you dont even have to build an extra building to get it.
People ignore it most of the time, because its to micro intens. tuning it down and making it less micro intest kills it just the other way around because it will not be inpactfull enough to use it at all.
Its a great tech especially with heavy hitting units like knights, landsknechte and Handgunners.
Bruh Spearman are so useless haha. They barely are effective against knights. Once knights are masses its just so dumb. It throws off the entire counter system. Team games are even worse. It's just massive piles of knights running around because since trade is so busted it's just endless spam of knights lol
If that were the case French would have a much better wr.
at that stage he needed t supplement with crossbows
first
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