The fact that mamamax was so close to capturing a predator from an anonymous commentor just for TH-cam to delete the video with the comment that contained the information is one of the most horrible things TH-cam has ever done. EDIT: It seems that there has been a misunderstanding, the comment wasn't in the deleted video. It was literally in the comment section.
the purpose of demonitization is to remove rewards from content that has intelligent audiences who are all using adblock and are less likely to buy things
dawg at this point i’m not even surprised anymore, they’re such a huge platform they can do literally whatever they want and there’s not much stopping them
It really is sad how corporations are above the law. So many companies have been caught doing something extremely wrong yet they get off without consequence.
@@silliercrayon9588 At least under communism the poor people get food like once a week. Corporatism would mean poorer people literally would not be able to afford food. Wages would also be almost worthless.
Since currency was first created, it was laid in stone that anyone with the most money can buy their way out of consequences. This is not surprising behavior. Before there were corporations, there were nobles. Nobles who had the most money and rep of them all, only less to royals, were known to do unethical, shady things but because of their money and reputation, the government turned a blind eye. Sad but true; money does buy you happiness and a free get-out-prison-card. Well maybe not the free part. Give up a few mill and you're golden. Oh btw this isn't a rant about "down with capitalism". This is just realism. I want to be rich asf too. Only sure way to take down a noble or a big corporation is to fight fire with fire. In other words, another big name money maker has to do it. Money money money.
@@ThatGuy21872 it’s as if TH-cam is becoming less about content creators and more about regulating and guidelines, therefore making it less fun for everyone.
@S. each nation in europe has a different age of consent,but consent or not everyone above 18 y.o. going for someone lower is considered a massive creep as it should
@@NickNapoli I've lived in California for 36 years, and over the last decade it has become really bad. That law is one of those laws that make California look bad right now.
Let's see: -only caring about themselves ✔ -double standards ✔ -demonitizing people for bs reasons ✔ -restricting free speech and giving yourself the very reward you came up with ✔ -money hungry ✔ And - this ✔ Come on TH-cam. You're the biggest vid sharing platform in the entire world and you're doing stuff like this?
@Bismarck And The Kriegsmarine what’s stopping them? what’s gonna knock them down? they’ve got the masses and all sorts of powerful people in their grasp, and unfortunately that might not change
I’m pretty sure the reason why TH-cam tries to cover these videos up is because they’re worried about their site having a bad reputation because they’re worried that if there’s people talking about creepy people on the platform, then it’ll damage their reputation, which I understand but I personally think you’d have a better reputation by terminating the channels of the creeps than covering up the videos exposing them.
At this moment, TH-cam community couldn't take it anymore. Seeing that TH-cam won't stop making bad decisions, they decided to take matters into their own hands and declared war.
@@lancelikessause I have the same problem, if there was a legitimate and trustworthy platform like TH-cam, then I would've joined that platform and boycott TH-cam in a heartbeat, but there is no other option.
@@chosenone8456 people really shouldn't throw that sentence lightly i hate youtube but we shouldn't compare them to china a country that not only suppress freedom of speech but also religion and culture and go as far as concentration camps
We need to start holding TH-cam accountable somehow, and we should also start looking at alternate platforms. There's DLive, Twitch, Bitchute, and Rumble for starters. Keep this going, TH-cam as a company needs to get dragged through the mud for this type of behavior.
@@MattTheCommenter actually no it's been saved. It was going to get shut down but the owner was able to get the money to save it. So it's stikl around.
A lot of people are saying this whole movement is cringe, but I say that this is necessary for a better platform. TH-cam is a timeless place at an all time high, and at the same time it’s at an all time low. I agree. Susan needs to go.
Because you are simplifying the issue instead of actually doing something. If people thought about it more logically instead of going on this little tantrum maybe they could do something more.
i don't know... I really dont like How max called out the creators at the end Its public pressuring, And he makes that CLEAR Let me ask you, pretend you work, you have a good-paying job, nothing is threatening your work, Then a protest happens for a division of your company that you don't even work for. you get told if you participate in this protest you will be fired. You have 2 choices, risk the job you spent 10+ years developing, or continue working. Then because you aren't in a state where you are comfortable risking getting fired (or banned) The leader of the protest makes a public statement about you, how your silence and refusal to participate along with others are supporting the other division's negative morals, when that is, in fact, not the case in the slightest. Now The public and your co-workers are pressuring you to participate, and if you don't they most likely will drive you out. Does that sound fun? does that sound "for the community" It felt like a slight to force them to respond to it. even more so when he was calling them out with anger. And a great example is you just being hit in the crossfire, the public is its own worse enemy and he knew what he was doing.
I respect the movement and how these channels don't wanna be silenced anymore for trying to expose bad people on the site, but I do agree with Optimus on how we shouldn't be dragging everyone to talk about it over the risks, but I do hope people do speak up about it by their own choice, not because others are threatening them to do it.
What's also unfair about forcing TH-camrs to talk about this sort of thing is that this is a very sensitive and emotionally charged subject that's very triggering for people. They may be victims themselves or know people who are victims, and as a result, rightfully apprehensive to even thinking about it, let alone talking about it. This isn't your normal type of scandal. This is a scandal centered around a crime that causes PTSD, and is so heinous that it's arguably the worst crime any human being could ever commit. People need to slow down before they start throwing accusations around. Calling someone a pp is not a small accusation.
Right, I understand why they're doing this. But tossing accusations around is just too far. Throwing them around is just going to exacerbate the situation.
If the CSA victims who came to MamaMax can speak up about their abuse in the hopes of putting a predator behind bars then I think a possible creator who is also a CSA victim can come out and give some form of support for MamaMax.
I fell like the problem is that TH-cam doesn’t need to respond well. Even when these controversies happen, people still view, which is the only thing that they care about. Because their isn’t a alternative to TH-cam, TH-cam will get views no matter what. This isn’t a problem with TH-cam, it’s a problem with monopolies like Google who can mess with anything they want for their own benefit. At the rate we are at, TH-cam will pull views even if they have more and bigger controversies. This hashtag doesn’t help because it only solves hath of the problem. It sets up the ball but doesn’t roll it. But I’m glad their doing the most that they can.
All of us in mamamax discord server are pleased with the attention we are getting. We hopefully that TH-cam respond and bring back the video. Thanks for the support guys! Edit: if you wanna join his server you need to be subscribe to his Patreon
This is extremely dangerous… the community’s reaction to such conflicting matters can also give TH-cam the alleyway to do something completely unpleasant and expected again…
People did try that with story fire but it failed, I mostly saw English gaming youtubers/ vloggers and I think that’s why. We need everyone on board from different categories and different countries so that TH-cam can notice
TH-cam only cares about corporate accounts and corporate friendly accounts. The independent content creator was only good for initial growth. But now that YT has hegemony over video platforms, you can all either fall in line or get bent.
>people harrassing creators on twitter >most of the people spam mentioning them are likely people who have no limit The people calling these creators pedophiles just for not using the hashtag need to be forced off the internet for a month. Both them and the actual offenders.
Tiktok is guilty too. TH-camr Skeeter Jean (a respectable predator catcher/exposer) has a tiktok account and his videos are getting taken down for “minor safety” or whatever they call it. Yet EDP, who got caught trying to meet up with a minor, thrives on tiktok. Disgusting. Pitiful even.
Honestly I think a majority of the "censorship" or "suppression" is due to the anti-harrassment policy and of course the utter neglence on TH-cam's part. Remember, bots look at videos, not humans. The humans that DO look at videos are usually VERY PC and dont take kindly to harrassment, so.... yeah.... Thats just my headcanon there.
The really bad thing is that if this controversy starts another adpocalypse in January a month that is already infamous among creators for being the month where ad revenue is the lowest due to December holiday spending and this controversy can cause them to loose more money and it wouldn't be thier fault. I get that this terrible situation needs to be taken care of but you also need to be careful with covering it due to TH-cam overreacting and the lowest ad revenue month is coming soon.
What if content creators don't upload for the whole month of January so TH-cam can't get their ad revenue from views as a form of boycott? That'll thin out the herd with ppl pointing out, discovering and reporting shady uploaders??
@@ironpulcinella3586 I feel like the same content creators who stop uploading loses millions within a month, unless they have other platforms like Twitch and not make any videos lol
@@ironpulcinella3586 I get the idea your trying to think up but I don't think most creators can afford to do that and you will have to get everyone to agree but only a little will remember the day off of twitch event only a couple streamers took part in that.
Ever wonder if some guys that are secretly with youtube are going to purposely spearhead this whole thing into another adpocalypse? Because i swear this sounds WAY too easy to highjack.
Yeah, people are attacking someone who cites Innocent until proven guilty on pure accusations because of this movement. I hope its not abused like MeToo is
It was a joke, I was not trying to say that Twitch is good, but on the serious note TH-cam needs a reality check, and it needs to stop fixing petty problems.
The people that are harassing people with the “either you’re with us or you’re against us” mentality I don’t see them as wanting to genuinely help. They’re just here to try and convince themselves they are good.
Yeah it keeps popping up in places like Tumblr and Twitter, and I always have the same response “get a life”. it’s such a morally degrading, self-centred, and close-minded mentality that does nothing but harm the movement they try to support, and shows just how much their lives centre around clout and attention on the internet.
@@mapleflag6518 No, but trying to force people who don't want to talk about it to do so isn't going to help. Especially when you're trying to imply--or directly stating--that they are the same as the group your movement is going after.
This reminds me of how Mutahar got a channel strike because he made a video on a scam. He tried to submit an appeal but then a couple minutes later the appeal was denied.
I remember that TH-cam wasn’t doing anything against Mini when that situation was newly discovered. Doesn’t surprise me that they still don’t do anything
Yeah that's not gonna happen, the anonymity granted by a username online makes people much looser when it comes to "civility" we need rules but we need to leave the money hungry behavior behind. The double standards and hostile disposition to small creator held by youtube is toxic and asenine and is driving people away.
The fact that a few 4Chaners were able to lead a war against Tumblr and more against CNN, even give coordinates of a terrorist base to the Russians, is impressive.
This platform is so dead, man. It's sad that people on both sides of the coin can be especially so hostile towards one another and not just agree to disagree and make the platform a better place regardless. These kinds of websites should be safe havens for freedom of speech, and self-expression, but its not, and it hasn't been for literal years now.
If you consider the YT Rewind Cringe and how everybody dunked on it, then yes. But it was only a good thing because it was so laughably bad that everyone could band together to make fun of it.
@@thisisfeedy5919 seems a little convenient they get rid of dislikes when you remember TH-cam rewind 2018,2019 and how they canceled it in 2020 totally cause of covid It's sad that dislikes are gone i will never forget where i was when the 2018 Rewind became the first TH-cam video to ever break 10 Million dislikes a Hotel Bathroom in Brussels December 2018 watching a live stream of the dislike counter
I don't mean to play devil's advocate here, but I've got an opinion. Why is it imperative that there are videos made to "expose" someone? Half the time, these videos aren't taken very seriously (unless they're made by creators like MamaMax) or they're just ignored altogether. And this isn't just because of the TH-cam algorithm. People just don't like discussing these topics (not that that's a good thing). If you really believe you have enough evidence that you can confidently say that a person is a monster, you can report them to the FBI or the Dubai Police or whatever police organization you wish. If you really did have enough evidence, then you won't have to say, "They should honestly be behind bars." You'll be able to say, "They are behind bars." Your motivation should not, I repeat, should not be to monetize a horrible situation. That says a lot about your character if it is your goal. In fact, that's why I only watch MamaMax on rare occasions. I personally believe he's in the business of monetizing tragedies. Instead, you should be making the videos as documentation or additional evidence. The "pick a side youtube" video looks a lot like MamaMax is taking advantage of the [rightful] hatred of the demonization system to, willingly or not, start an adpocalypse. Feel free to criticize my reasoning here. I'll try my best to justify it.
I would agree but other news sources and small time indi company's cover and make money on this stuff and have for decades. So I can't agree with you. If they can do it so can a TH-cam creators. It's still the same community of people just the information is running through a new median of travel. Eliminate the big wigs from making money on this and then I would agree, other wise no way.
@@D9xAbstract I don't see how you disagree with me. I never specified TH-cam creators. News sources can demonetize themselves, too (they won't but that's beside the point). In fact, news sources are part of the prevalence of mass-shooters in the USA, because they guarantee the shooter that they are seen and guarantee they become famous.
The topic itself is already viscerally upsetting enough. But the fact that the gameplay footage reminds me that Spiderman is in Fortnite now makes it even worse.
Honestly Im kind of in agreement with charlie about this in that the point of the video was completely right but the end and the hashtag on twitter kind of is cringey and just kind of muddies the issue a lot. A lot seem to just be taking the hashtag to mean that youtube literally is protecting predators on its site instead of what this actually is in that their awful rules taking down videos talking about those bad things or demonitizing them and anyone not jumping on right away is being treated like a predator which is just dumb. There is good intentions but the twitter campaign doesn't look very well thought through and has accomplished going viral but at the cost of a bunch of people not fully understanding or otherwise going off on the wrong people
That's not how C.E.O.'s are removed. There are many ways to put pressure on the board to remove a C.E.O, and this is not going to do it. TH-cam is way too big to fall. It just needs a series of incidents to cause a C.E.O to be removed.
Mamamax's video got recommended to me out of nowhere the day it was posted, so I'm glad the algorithm is working in his favor. What I like about him is his unique method of spreading awareness using *horror.* It grabs people's attention, & seeing his comment sections serve as a safe space for young victims to share their stories and support each other while they call him Mama & he calls them "my children" is... bizarre yet wholesome??? Yes, he's good at over-dramatising, but every case he covers is real & he's also good at catching pedophiles. So ig it's a by-product of gaining attention for a good cause. He has a Nexpo vibe but more brutal. Problem is, a few of his followers can try to be edgy like him as you pointed out- and they aren't as good at causing fear as him 💀. But overall I really hope this movement has positive effects, and wish him good luck in his endeavors.
Yeah, I've watched Anxiety War got awhile. The reason he stopped alot was BC TH-cam was censoring him for over a year. It's sad they'll side with Predators... And not TH-camrs who expose Predators (not ones like the guys who went after EDP, who were apparently caught doing shady stuff).
I like how the hypocrisy and uselessness on TH-cam disabling comments on animated contents, they taught it helps them protect children form predators yet themselves are protecting them
Removes the dislike button but keeps predators.
Let's go susan.
@NightWolf_TV is there a way to get dislikes back on mobile devices?
Off to an alternative platform like Odysee.
I should take control of TH-cam
@@smgreacts Yes
Let’s go susan
The fact that mamamax was so close to capturing a predator from an anonymous commentor just for TH-cam to delete the video with the comment that contained the information is one of the most horrible things TH-cam has ever done.
EDIT: It seems that there has been a misunderstanding, the comment wasn't in the deleted video. It was literally in the comment section.
Help Susan is making me do this
You catch the most flak when you're over the target
TH-cam= the world government in one piece
People who dont know seeing your pfp: 😁
People who know: 😨
He actually caught paublo I'm pretty sure if you look at his community posts
The fact that there is literally a VERSION OF THIS APP FOR KIDS makes the whole demonetization aspect of TH-cam completely useless
Exactly
If you have an app specifically for kids why focus on the minor side of the community on your main app?
It's literally just pointless
the purpose of demonitization is to remove rewards from content that has intelligent audiences who are all using adblock and are less likely to buy things
More pointless than an unsharpened pencil
@@Dr_Steal_Computer adblock and sponserblock. youtube ads aren't the only ones im skipping
Exactly
dawg at this point i’m not even surprised anymore, they’re such a huge platform they can do literally whatever they want and there’s not much stopping them
Sadly that’s true sadly
Ikr
Did this man say dawg in 2021
You know how back when youtube was brand new the mainstem media attacked them. The same will happen to them if it get any worse!
@@cell2179 Yes Michael, he in fact did say "dawg" in 2021.
It really is sad how corporations are above the law. So many companies have been caught doing something extremely wrong yet they get off without consequence.
Soon America will be Corporatism (worse than communism m8)
@@chosenone8456 eh. Id rather there be complete total monopolies running the whole thing, then be in the gulag for my religion (or something else idk)
@@silliercrayon9588 At least under communism the poor people get food like once a week. Corporatism would mean poorer people literally would not be able to afford food. Wages would also be almost worthless.
Since currency was first created, it was laid in stone that anyone with the most money can buy their way out of consequences. This is not surprising behavior. Before there were corporations, there were nobles. Nobles who had the most money and rep of them all, only less to royals, were known to do unethical, shady things but because of their money and reputation, the government turned a blind eye. Sad but true; money does buy you happiness and a free get-out-prison-card. Well maybe not the free part. Give up a few mill and you're golden. Oh btw this isn't a rant about "down with capitalism". This is just realism. I want to be rich asf too. Only sure way to take down a noble or a big corporation is to fight fire with fire. In other words, another big name money maker has to do it. Money money money.
Money buys freedom baby
*creeps preying on children*
Susie TH-cam: "i sleep"
*guy said mean word to someone*
Susie TH-cam: "REAL SH*T!!??"
Facts
It's sad how accurate this is
REaLl POioOpoOI?!?!!1!
TH-cam is like that one teacher who penalizes students for defending themselves but gives a slap on the wrist to people who bully, blackmail, etc.
Perfect comparison
@@ThatGuy21872 it’s as if TH-cam is becoming less about content creators and more about regulating and guidelines, therefore making it less fun for everyone.
Had that happen so many times I started giving them reasons to suspend me over the bully
@@electricdragon6850 No, there's no way that's it. /s
@@ThatGuy21872 what do you mean?
Gotta love how susan keeps predators on youtube yet removes the dislike button due to “Hate” and “Abuse” when now its pointless to even dislike now.
Couldn't have said it better myself
Agreed soldier
@@paladin1154 God bless the enclave
we can always comment dislike, and if they remove comments we're gonna move to another platform.
There's a extension that let's you see the dislike again
Considering just how many of their investors are child predators I'd say this makes perfect sense
@S. I think usually that age is only for if the 14 is with someone under the age of 18? That’s what I heard a European say.
@S. each nation in europe has a different age of consent,but consent or not everyone above 18 y.o. going for someone lower is considered a massive creep as it should
@S. I think they meant a 30-40 year old man or woman going after someone that's 14
@S. not really.
@S. Thats different. It depends on the age gap
TH-cam needs to shut this sh*t down and side with its creators.
It won't. There's a law that PROTECTS these sickos ...in California.
@@CarlosXPhone of course it’s california.
@@NickNapoli I've lived in California for 36 years, and over the last decade it has become really bad. That law is one of those laws that make California look bad right now.
@@CarlosXPhone california is so a*s backwards it’s insane. No wonder sane people are leaving.
@@CarlosXPhone what law is that? I'd like to know more.
Way to go Susan keeping those predators safe is so very noble
Oh yes, but never have a differing opinion!!
Snoozing susan
Susan going places
Let's see:
-only caring about themselves ✔
-double standards ✔
-demonitizing people for bs reasons ✔
-restricting free speech and giving yourself the very reward you came up with ✔
-money hungry ✔
And - this ✔
Come on TH-cam. You're the biggest vid sharing platform in the entire world and you're doing stuff like this?
um yeah? when you are this big what is stoping you
@Logan Paul to a very limited extent
@Logan Paul Not for long.
That’s the problem, they’re untouchable
@Bismarck And The Kriegsmarine what’s stopping them? what’s gonna knock them down? they’ve got the masses and all sorts of powerful people in their grasp, and unfortunately that might not change
I’m pretty sure the reason why TH-cam tries to cover these videos up is because they’re worried about their site having a bad reputation because they’re worried that if there’s people talking about creepy people on the platform, then it’ll damage their reputation, which I understand but I personally think you’d have a better reputation by terminating the channels of the creeps than covering up the videos exposing them.
It's kind of like when bad things happen at schools and the school district tries to cover it up instead of recognizing it
@@forest3945 Exactly
TH-cam worrying about their reputation 😂
It's just a taboo subject.
@@TheUltimateHacker007 bruh
At this moment, TH-cam community couldn't take it anymore. Seeing that TH-cam won't stop making bad decisions, they decided to take matters into their own hands and declared war.
Let’s hope so m8 because I’ve been waiting for a war since 2016 m8
Its not gonna matter unless they start leaving. Its like declaring war on Walmart for something but continuing to shop at Walmart.
@@bismarckandthekriegsmarine2954 true, we need to get out of here, but where?
@@Arrow8070 Odysee
@@MrInvaderOhYeah sounds like a plan to me, let's go.
This is why America needs to be tougher on these tech giants like I am
True
Nice
Your right Putin
Your right putin
Putin do you dislike susan
We shouldn't have to pick a side. People who do sick things and break the law should not be a side.
Facts
This would have been valid if people that are actually calling out well known pedophiles weren't called 'conspiracy theorists'
@@PekkaBF who does that?
@@Corpse701 You don't wanna get there my brother
the only choice they get is a steak dinner or alaskan crab before they hit the electric chair
Everyone: "youtube pick a side, children or pedophiles?"
TH-cam: money
TH-cam: lets corps use the doubleclick ad content delivery service for no reason
TH-cam’s platform needs change, immediately. It’s policies, its censorship, everything.
Just like China sadly
@@lancelikessause I have the same problem, if there was a legitimate and trustworthy platform like TH-cam, then I would've joined that platform and boycott TH-cam in a heartbeat, but there is no other option.
Just like North Korea
@@chosenone8456 people really shouldn't throw that sentence lightly i hate youtube but we shouldn't compare them to china a country that not only suppress freedom of speech but also religion and culture and go as far as concentration camps
@@marveyzing1495 I apologize I ment to say the CCP m8
Typical TH-cam: Indirectly protecting the bad guys while harming good creators and making life harder for them time and time again
Y’all couldn’t have said it any better
It’s awful but it’s the truth🤦♂️
My man bigfoot spitting mad facts
Bigfoot the Sigma spitting facts
Hi Bigfoot I thought you where a hoax
Its almost like this world is fallen and ran by satan🤔
We need to start holding TH-cam accountable somehow, and we should also start looking at alternate platforms. There's DLive, Twitch, Bitchute, and Rumble for starters. Keep this going, TH-cam as a company needs to get dragged through the mud for this type of behavior.
TH-cam is in a bad position, 0 tolerance is not always helpful.
Only use youtube to post 10 minute videos.
Storyfire as well. Twitch is almost as bad as youtube.
@@tuxsoft3474 Storyfire is getting shut down (it might have already idk)
@@MattTheCommenter actually no it's been saved. It was going to get shut down but the owner was able to get the money to save it. So it's stikl around.
@@RogueShadow11375 oh sick
"Join us. Make the right choice or let their screams haunt you in your sleep"
That is so cringe, it hurts to read
I agree with you. This is horrible!
Now MAP’s are gonna flood TH-cam
Optimus, the reason corpse was mentioned was because he used Max, and Max wants him to payback.
Well, Susan Whoopie Cushion is to blame.
It’s gonna become the next twitter
@Omegaforge1 He apparently ghosted him, go to the original mamamax video and go near the end.
This is disgusting
TH-cam mailed me mad af
300k with low views. Hmm, strange.
Magically Disgusting
bot
@S. Who are you to disrespect Deutschland? Cringe Feminist polish kid?
A lot of people are saying this whole movement is cringe, but I say that this is necessary for a better platform. TH-cam is a timeless place at an all time high, and at the same time it’s at an all time low.
I agree. Susan needs to go.
Sick rhimes brah
@@michaloid8351 i didn't even realize 😂
Susan coming to TH-cam was the worst mistake of TH-cam.
Because you are simplifying the issue instead of actually doing something. If people thought about it more logically instead of going on this little tantrum maybe they could do something more.
@@SneakyNinja11 i couldn't agree more
If anything, an adpocalypse shows that TH-cam doesn’t actually care about the issue itself. They care about investors.
There corporate, they don’t care about the creators, they ONLY care about themselves and other companies m8
And what if the investors leave
They just want money and it’s sad
i don't know... I really dont like How max called out the creators at the end
Its public pressuring, And he makes that CLEAR
Let me ask you, pretend you work, you have a good-paying job, nothing is threatening your work, Then a protest happens for a division of your company that you don't even work for. you get told if you participate in this protest you will be fired. You have 2 choices, risk the job you spent 10+ years developing, or continue working.
Then because you aren't in a state where you are comfortable risking getting fired (or banned) The leader of the protest makes a public statement about you, how your silence and refusal to participate along with others are supporting the other division's negative morals, when that is, in fact, not the case in the slightest.
Now The public and your co-workers are pressuring you to participate, and if you don't they most likely will drive you out.
Does that sound fun? does that sound "for the community"
It felt like a slight to force them to respond to it. even more so when he was calling them out with anger.
And a great example is you just being hit in the crossfire, the public is its own worse enemy and he knew what he was doing.
I respect the movement and how these channels don't wanna be silenced anymore for trying to expose bad people on the site, but I do agree with Optimus on how we shouldn't be dragging everyone to talk about it over the risks, but I do hope people do speak up about it by their own choice, not because others are threatening them to do it.
Yes but....where’s your pfp from??
I agree what Optimus is saying more than people saying that the dislikes should not come back.
People who say that definitely can’t take criticism
@@RoboVenturer exactly
What's also unfair about forcing TH-camrs to talk about this sort of thing is that this is a very sensitive and emotionally charged subject that's very triggering for people. They may be victims themselves or know people who are victims, and as a result, rightfully apprehensive to even thinking about it, let alone talking about it. This isn't your normal type of scandal. This is a scandal centered around a crime that causes PTSD, and is so heinous that it's arguably the worst crime any human being could ever commit. People need to slow down before they start throwing accusations around. Calling someone a pp is not a small accusation.
Right, I understand why they're doing this. But tossing accusations around is just too far. Throwing them around is just going to exacerbate the situation.
If the CSA victims who came to MamaMax can speak up about their abuse in the hopes of putting a predator behind bars then I think a possible creator who is also a CSA victim can come out and give some form of support for MamaMax.
remember that there are people who get triggered by *everything*
@@handlessuck777 calling them cutnt
@@gagejohnathan9641 that isn't what this person meant by triggering....
I fell like the problem is that TH-cam doesn’t need to respond well. Even when these controversies happen, people still view, which is the only thing that they care about. Because their isn’t a alternative to TH-cam, TH-cam will get views no matter what. This isn’t a problem with TH-cam, it’s a problem with monopolies like Google who can mess with anything they want for their own benefit. At the rate we are at, TH-cam will pull views even if they have more and bigger controversies. This hashtag doesn’t help because it only solves hath of the problem. It sets up the ball but doesn’t roll it. But I’m glad their doing the most that they can.
At this point with all of what TH-cam has done, this isnt even suprising
I wonder what would’ve happened if the original TH-cam creators had just kept the site.
Jawed would've definitely made TH-cam way better than Susan ever could.
It'd probably have been scrapped a long time ago, those server maintenance fees are nuts, especially with how many videos constantly uploaded.
All of us in mamamax discord server are pleased with the attention we are getting. We hopefully that TH-cam respond and bring back the video. Thanks for the support guys!
Edit: if you wanna join his server you need to be subscribe to his Patreon
Hey! Where can I find the discord? :)
i also want to join
He has a discord?
Dude, I need to talk to him.
Someone link the Discord so we don't have to wait for Patreon.
Letting Google buy TH-cam was a factual mistake.
Not sure I agree. It couldn't be as big as it is without Google's data centers, for one. What I will say is that Susan is a bad CEO.
@@ImJCyo women moment
letting youtube surpass newgrounds in popularity was also a factual mistake
I’m not surprised that this happened at this point
Me neither, there's multiple scenarios going on. At least, optimus have the initiative to speak.
This is extremely dangerous… the community’s reaction to such conflicting matters can also give TH-cam the alleyway to do something completely unpleasant and expected again…
I wonder if we decide to leave YT altogether and move to alternative platforms do you think YT will finally get their act together for once?
It will take over 1000 years by the time that happens
@arianna well its worth a try, its vetter then losing the like button and videos
Tik tok already bigger than YT they might change or improve
People did try that with story fire but it failed, I mostly saw English gaming youtubers/ vloggers and I think that’s why. We need everyone on board from different categories and different countries so that TH-cam can notice
Odysee is a promising competitor. Some big youtubers like SomeOrdinaryGamers use the platform
TH-cam only cares about corporate accounts and corporate friendly accounts. The independent content creator was only good for initial growth. But now that YT has hegemony over video platforms, you can all either fall in line or get bent.
this is why odysee seems like a good alternative .
I love mamamax really happy people are supporting him
Same here.
Same too
>people harrassing creators on twitter
>most of the people spam mentioning them are likely people who have no limit
The people calling these creators pedophiles just for not using the hashtag need to be forced off the internet for a month. Both them and the actual offenders.
TH-cam: "We want our platform to be safe for kids to use!"
Also TH-cam: "Let's protect and defend predators!"
Thanks for covering man
Are my eyes deceiving me? Is that the one and only checkmark next to your username?
Tiktok is guilty too. TH-camr Skeeter Jean (a respectable predator catcher/exposer) has a tiktok account and his videos are getting taken down for “minor safety” or whatever they call it. Yet EDP, who got caught trying to meet up with a minor, thrives on tiktok. Disgusting. Pitiful even.
Susan has ruined everything good about TH-cam
Yeah because she is a women and also a Jew (no offense)
@@chosenone8456 what? What does her being jew have to do with anything
She takes bribes from crummy companies
@@spid5848 *in eric cartmen voice*
shut up kyle
Google*
I watch MamaMax and Anxiety War and they are both absolutely amazing people. It's disgusting what TH-cam is doing.
Dislikes bad, predators good???
After this dislike thing, TH-cams hanging by a thread. I get the feeling that threads about to snap
Lets hope so
People on Twitter are so unhinged jeez. My worst mistake is owning a profile there
Finally mamamax is getting his word out there.. unfortunately TH-cam is trying to silence him :|
Too late tho everyones talking bout it youtube wont be able to silence it at this point
Understandable. Admirable cause, terrible execution. The whole join us or die thing is not a good approach. Just making enemies out of nowhere.
Why does TH-cam love the scorched earth option when it comes to dealing with any problems.
Honestly I think a majority of the "censorship" or "suppression" is due to the anti-harrassment policy and of course the utter neglence on TH-cam's part. Remember, bots look at videos, not humans. The humans that DO look at videos are usually VERY PC and dont take kindly to harrassment, so.... yeah.... Thats just my headcanon there.
The really bad thing is that if this controversy starts another adpocalypse in January a month that is already infamous among creators for being the month where ad revenue is the lowest due to December holiday spending and this controversy can cause them to loose more money and it wouldn't be thier fault. I get that this terrible situation needs to be taken care of but you also need to be careful with covering it due to TH-cam overreacting and the lowest ad revenue month is coming soon.
What if content creators don't upload for the whole month of January so TH-cam can't get their ad revenue from views as a form of boycott?
That'll thin out the herd with ppl pointing out, discovering and reporting shady uploaders??
@@ironpulcinella3586 I feel like the same content creators who stop uploading loses millions within a month, unless they have other platforms like Twitch and not make any videos lol
@@ironpulcinella3586 I get the idea your trying to think up but I don't think most creators can afford to do that and you will have to get everyone to agree but only a little will remember the day off of twitch event only a couple streamers took part in that.
Ever wonder if some guys that are secretly with youtube are going to purposely spearhead this whole thing into another adpocalypse? Because i swear this sounds WAY too easy to highjack.
@@-LastStand- if that is the case why would they? To make smaller creators leave the platform?
Yeah, people are attacking someone who cites Innocent until proven guilty on pure accusations because of this movement. I hope its not abused like MeToo is
At this point, Twitch is almost looking like a new improved YT.
Atleast streaming wont get you hacked
bro twitch is just as bad as youtube, like actually your comment is laughably dense.
It was a joke, I was not trying to say that Twitch is good, but on the serious note TH-cam needs a reality check, and it needs to stop fixing petty problems.
@@thatrandomyoutuber2030 more like fixing problems that never existed in the first place
The people that are harassing people with the “either you’re with us or you’re against us” mentality I don’t see them as wanting to genuinely help. They’re just here to try and convince themselves they are good.
Yeah it keeps popping up in places like Tumblr and Twitter, and I always have the same response “get a life”. it’s such a morally degrading, self-centred, and close-minded mentality that does nothing but harm the movement they try to support, and shows just how much their lives centre around clout and attention on the internet.
Well what choice do we have? Just sit there and let them win?
@@mapleflag6518 that’s not gonna happen, they’re not gonna “win”, get a life.
@@mapleflag6518 No, but trying to force people who don't want to talk about it to do so isn't going to help. Especially when you're trying to imply--or directly stating--that they are the same as the group your movement is going after.
What's crazier is theyll demonotize you because "advertisers don't wanna put ads on this" but they'll put ads on it and just not pay you
TH-cam is slowly becoming more and more shady.
I really never resorted to violence before, but Susan is gonna be the reason I am going to turn into the Doom Slayer
Jesus christ. Why do people automatically assume not wanting to get involved = being on the enemy's side?
Because they are getting involved while helping the enemy. Kind of obvious if you watched the video.
@@gassedup So not wanting to get involved in talking about it automatically means they support pedophiles? 🙄 Sounds as if you didn't watch the video.
I remember seeing a twitter that had a petition to fire Susan from TH-cam
Susan is destroying the platform.
@Logan Paul Said no one ever.
And the real Lovan Paul doesn't say BS stuff like this.
This reminds me of how Mutahar got a channel strike because he made a video on a scam. He tried to submit an appeal but then a couple minutes later the appeal was denied.
@Optimus Just wanna say thank you for bringing awareness
They probably do this because they know we have nowhere else to go
I knew that people who ran TH-cam were ridiculous, but I didn't know that they were this ridiculous.
When Susan came it was a red flag
This is why you dont let robots run your platform
I remember that TH-cam wasn’t doing anything against Mini when that situation was newly discovered. Doesn’t surprise me that they still don’t do anything
Mini?
Yeah
@@MrWallace484 miniladd
@@MrWallace484 Mini Ladd
We need an alternative to TH-cam, something that has the freedom of 4 chan but still civil
Yeah that's not gonna happen, the anonymity granted by a username online makes people much looser when it comes to "civility" we need rules but we need to leave the money hungry behavior behind. The double standards and hostile disposition to small creator held by youtube is toxic and asenine and is driving people away.
I get how you feel but c'mon "freedom of 4chan" is asking for chaos.
@@JohnPerry27 first thing i saw was cctv video that someone posted on 4 chan how an actual assassin killed someone. kinda epic ngl.
The fact that a few 4Chaners were able to lead a war against Tumblr and more against CNN, even give coordinates of a terrorist base to the Russians, is impressive.
@@hmmmblyat
Wasn't that the assassination of kim-yung-un's cousin in a South Korean Airport by a spy?
so many people in the comments don't realize optimus is criticizing both max and youtube.
TH-cam be like
- Striking good criticism channels
- Defending predators
This platform is so dead, man. It's sad that people on both sides of the coin can be especially so hostile towards one another and not just agree to disagree and make the platform a better place regardless. These kinds of websites should be safe havens for freedom of speech, and self-expression, but its not, and it hasn't been for literal years now.
This is like rotten tomatoes giving cuties a better rating than movies that are somewhat edgy
Rich people and justice don’t mix
did TH-cam ever do something good?
I don’t see anything on their good list over the last years
I don’t think they did?????? I mean I could be wrong but I doubt it
If you consider the YT Rewind Cringe and how everybody dunked on it, then yes. But it was only a good thing because it was so laughably bad that everyone could band together to make fun of it.
@@thisisfeedy5919 seems a little convenient they get rid of dislikes when you remember TH-cam rewind 2018,2019 and how they canceled it in 2020 totally cause of covid It's sad that dislikes are gone i will never forget where i was when the 2018 Rewind became the first TH-cam video to ever break 10 Million dislikes a Hotel Bathroom in Brussels December 2018 watching a live stream of the dislike counter
I don't mean to play devil's advocate here, but I've got an opinion.
Why is it imperative that there are videos made to "expose" someone? Half the time, these videos aren't taken very seriously (unless they're made by creators like MamaMax) or they're just ignored altogether. And this isn't just because of the TH-cam algorithm. People just don't like discussing these topics (not that that's a good thing). If you really believe you have enough evidence that you can confidently say that a person is a monster, you can report them to the FBI or the Dubai Police or whatever police organization you wish.
If you really did have enough evidence, then you won't have to say, "They should honestly be behind bars." You'll be able to say, "They are behind bars." Your motivation should not, I repeat, should not be to monetize a horrible situation. That says a lot about your character if it is your goal. In fact, that's why I only watch MamaMax on rare occasions. I personally believe he's in the business of monetizing tragedies. Instead, you should be making the videos as documentation or additional evidence. The "pick a side youtube" video looks a lot like MamaMax is taking advantage of the [rightful] hatred of the demonization system to, willingly or not, start an adpocalypse.
Feel free to criticize my reasoning here. I'll try my best to justify it.
I agree with you.
I would agree but other news sources and small time indi company's cover and make money on this stuff and have for decades. So I can't agree with you. If they can do it so can a TH-cam creators. It's still the same community of people just the information is running through a new median of travel. Eliminate the big wigs from making money on this and then I would agree, other wise no way.
@@D9xAbstract I don't see how you disagree with me. I never specified TH-cam creators. News sources can demonetize themselves, too (they won't but that's beside the point). In fact, news sources are part of the prevalence of mass-shooters in the USA, because they guarantee the shooter that they are seen and guarantee they become famous.
Mama’s video hit me as a demonetization rant hidden behind a layered conspiracy theory of partial truths
They can't keep ignoring this
Kid Diddler on TH-cam = Susan sleeping
Misgender somebody in the comments section = Susan - “HOLD IT RIGHT THERE BIGOT!”
TH-cam: makes youtube a safer place of kids.
Also TH-cam: Well yes, but actually no
I'll be supporting anyone who wants to sue TH-cam for their malicious intents.
Optimus: "TH-cam don't do the wrong thing"
TH-cam: probably going to do nothing or silence thus video
_Just when I thought we hit rock bottom, we just found a way to break through that floor and go even deeper._
The topic itself is already viscerally upsetting enough. But the fact that the gameplay footage reminds me that Spiderman is in Fortnite now makes it even worse.
Yup
Cry harder
@@silliercrayon9588 Nice. Did it take you all day to come up with that comment, Einstein?
@@blueturret5596 yes
ok
Honestly Im kind of in agreement with charlie about this in that the point of the video was completely right but the end and the hashtag on twitter kind of is cringey and just kind of muddies the issue a lot. A lot seem to just be taking the hashtag to mean that youtube literally is protecting predators on its site instead of what this actually is in that their awful rules taking down videos talking about those bad things or demonitizing them and anyone not jumping on right away is being treated like a predator which is just dumb.
There is good intentions but the twitter campaign doesn't look very well thought through and has accomplished going viral but at the cost of a bunch of people not fully understanding or otherwise going off on the wrong people
There should be a campaign to stop Susan from being ceo or something
That's not how C.E.O.'s are removed.
There are many ways to put pressure on the board to remove a C.E.O, and this is not going to do it.
TH-cam is way too big to fall. It just needs a series of incidents to cause a C.E.O to be removed.
Let’s go susan
@@CarlosXPhone Or why not let Susan have an unfortunate “accident”?
@@mapleflag6518 that's called "attempted" murda
@@CarlosXPhone Doesn't it already have those incidents?
Remind me why comment sections and like buttons are removed from any video "marked for kids" again?
You didn’t had to censor the thumbnail but props on not censoring the tweet in the video
Keep at it susan the new updates are coming along splendidly
YT has to defend predators because where else are they going to get moderators and CEO's?
glad to see you pick this topic up for a video, i was kind of wondering
It’s disgusting whatever ai they got running this joint is picking the wrong side
I have a feeling TH-cam is going to get shutdown soon.
Let’s hope so m8
Scary but possible
@@chosenone8456 a lot of peoples lively hoods depend on youtube, the best case scenario is a ceo change that doesnt get controlled by the money.
@@leolion962 it’s like nuking a bunch of zombies in a apocalypse, you may die in the process but it’s for the good of humanity
I hope not but it might be the best decision unless management is changed or smth
Jesus Christ the map community is slowly getting more normalized! This just makes me wanna end it all.
THANK YOU FOR COVERING THIS!!
Mamamax's video got recommended to me out of nowhere the day it was posted, so I'm glad the algorithm is working in his favor. What I like about him is his unique method of spreading awareness using *horror.* It grabs people's attention, & seeing his comment sections serve as a safe space for young victims to share their stories and support each other while they call him Mama & he calls them "my children" is... bizarre yet wholesome???
Yes, he's good at over-dramatising, but every case he covers is real & he's also good at catching pedophiles. So ig it's a by-product of gaining attention for a good cause. He has a Nexpo vibe but more brutal. Problem is, a few of his followers can try to be edgy like him as you pointed out- and they aren't as good at causing fear as him 💀. But overall I really hope this movement has positive effects, and wish him good luck in his endeavors.
Yeah, I've watched Anxiety War got awhile. The reason he stopped alot was BC TH-cam was censoring him for over a year. It's sad they'll side with Predators... And not TH-camrs who expose Predators (not ones like the guys who went after EDP, who were apparently caught doing shady stuff).
TH-cam is killing itself by this point.
Literal creeps don't get blocked by TH-cam but commentary channels get harsh judgement...... Man it's sad 😓
I like how the hypocrisy and uselessness on TH-cam disabling comments on animated contents, they taught it helps them protect children form predators yet themselves are protecting them
"Make a video or their screams will haunt you in your dreams"
Me: Okay Fear-monger. Oooh I'm scared. Get out of my face with that trash