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I didn't really understand why Ember's parents had to leave their country after the storm. The disaster wasn't presented as something recurring and their families were still there, they could have rebuilt their shop.
@@Boops_a_leaf they never really disclosed on why the other flames disapproved of them as well like ??? aren't your guys homes destroyed as well? why does it have to be just them???
@kemiiwii maybe it represents what's classified as tethering. A country's mainstream culture can supercede race/color? Or maybe it was just ember the othe flames didn't like 🤔
Because the dad wanted his daughter to grow up in a better environment. When you become a dad you become more scared and paranoid for your child, if it were just him and his wife it’d be how you were thinking but bringing a child into the equation is a whole different thing.
This was the only time I really questioned the movie's story. Other than that I love this film. Pixar is good at rom-coms and they're gorgeous visually, which is half the point of a movie. Drama and Rom-com often forget that.
*Shower Thoughts:* If Ember and Wade have kids on their own, is that means she conceived a block of Obsedian and a Cobblestone? The Elemental lore is getting more complicated. *Edit:* This comment is a joke. The baby of Ember and Wade is a Steam if the the concept art/storyboard depicted otherwise.
to say wade has no character is crazyyy. his entire presence is being a supportive, emotional, goofy, awkward ball of compassion and ur saying is personality is boring?
Yeah right. To expand on your point, he's a great listener, he's compassionate, he's open, he's in touch with his feelings and doesn't feel demasculinated about it, and he's very kind. By 'boring', I'm guessing this guy means he has no dark side or something.
@@bridger5477 but the thing is, he does have flaws and they are a huge part of what makes him interesting. He's got so much heart but no understanding of what it's like to not be in his situation. He is in a world that allows him to be open with how he feels and peruse what he wants and doesn't understand what it's like not to live that way. It's what makes him endearing but from memory is also the thing that causes the most friction in the relationship aside from outside factors.
the flood needed to happen. its an allegory of her breaking, just like the dam. like they literally made shots of her breaking herself at the same time the dam broke. and her breaking is the worst thing that could happen. they shouldve dumbed it down so even you get it
I feel like unless you’ve lived this specific experience, this movie will seem like a futile attempt. However, I resonated deeply with the story and Ember’s internal struggle. There’s a lot going on in this movie emotionally. I think what this movie lacks most is actual world building. The immigrant story itself was very well done and resonates with those who have experienced it.
Yeah, it’s kinda hard to hear all of this “I need this fully spelled out to relate to it so it’s just not as good” and like I get it, but it’s hard to hear how much more people need to appreciate a movie like this when it’s so easy to relate to when you have shared experiences as the movie shows. Sometimes it’s nice to have something simple. I’m tired of our stories always being complicated and sad and marred by tragedy. Sometimes it’s nice to just get a simple cute love story.
@@fergieestaenlacasathese are the comments I've been looking for. I'm not an immigrant, but I live in a country in which you're always told to leave if you want a better chance at life, and as someone that wants to pursue art, I fear that I may have to end up doing so like Ember. I deeply connected with her bc of her personality, similar struggles relating to my parents and such. Most of these reviews complain about it "spelling things out" while they seem to need to get the inner struggles of the characters spelled out to them. I don't want to imply that people must always directly relate to the protagonists to enjoy the media they're in, but the messages and representation found in the movie really seem to go over the head of people that just can't relate, and it's a bit hurtful to have the entirety of such an accurate portrayal of these situations dismissed by these people because of it. There are valid criticisms of course, but so much of the essence of the movie is lost on people who don't go through these things
Agreed. It's hard for people who do not have these experiences to relate without them being "fully fleshed out." I feel like it's unjust to call them unemotional.. they definitely resonated with me and my family's experiences. Thank you for this comment.
I hate that Wade is responsible for her shop closing down and then he's like "wait you like that store you run and don't want it shut down? Why didn't you say so?" That made me so infuriated
Fr like if he just kept his mouth shut and really listened to her concerns, the issue would be a lot less stressful. This is partly why I don't think he's a good guy or a good partner to Ember tbh
also someone has to explain to me, why flood is Amber\s responsibility? like city services actually tell her - either you fix the leak or we let your neighborhood die lol. and then they inspect the glass wall and oked it?!?! wtf. this movie is pretty but dumb as heck
@@GalinaEv Right like why didn't they get the proper authorities to deal with the problem? Tbh I thought the movie was okay on the first watch but then the more I thought about it then rewatched and reanalyzed with my brain turned on, it got so much worse. There are too many narrative, logical, and worldbuilding issues with it.
@@GalinaEv The whole idea of 'the city services acting like trying to put together accommodations for the fire people to be able to live safely is a burden they'd rather not have to deal with' COULD have worked. In real life there are laws that (On paper) are meant to make cities more accessible for disabled people so they can get around better and live their lives more easily, but building accommodations and designing cities that way costs more money and so many cities will try their best to get away with skimping out on them as much as possible. (For example, there should be more public benches and places to sit for people who can't walk far but most cities would rather not invest in that kind of stuff.) If the movie had leaned more into that idea of calling out public services for not doing more to make cities more accessible to those who need special accommodations, I could see that working much better. But the idea that city services are not doing their jobs properly and that Elemental city is not built with consideration for fire people doesn't go anywhere. If anything it's almost framed as "cute" the lengths that the fire people have to go all on their own in order to traverse across town safely. They have to bring umbrellas everywhere because the city planners don't care that water is always getting splashed everywhere. City services should be the villains of this story.
I actually liked Wade because he was self aware that it wasn’t his story but he was still sweet and patient. I wish that Ember’s parent’s little montage was silent like the pretty Wade and Embed scene underwater. I wish there was more devastation shown when they left their country, like all the fire people would clearly be suffering without shelter and resources and just watching them leave with disappointment. It would give them all a lot more pressure to succeed and make it a bigger deal for Ember to not actually want that and cause more stressful moments. Could have solved a lot of the films issues imo
I think learning about the Director using his own life as a template for the story of Elemental made me really appreciate its existence. It wasn’t perfect and I probably won’t remember it very well, but for the most part, it was an enjoyable movie.
I feel like a lot of people just misunderstand the movie, and your point about not even realizing that they liked each other and that it came out of nowhere is surprising to me. When my friends and I watched the movie ( we are all in our late twenties, almost 30 ) it was so apparent to us that there's interest. Wade is a very caring and emotional guy and he was touched by Ember's story and how much she cared about the shop and her family, and her relationship with her father resonated with him and we learn that later on in the movie. Their chemistry and romance was done so authentically and organically, which I don't see all that often and it's interesting to me how some people can find it so profound and emotional while others find it bland, boring and out of nowhere. Ember, unlike her dad, seemed to have no prejudice about other elements and we first see her gaining interest in Wade during the airball game, when she sees how easily he gets to connect with other people as he motivates everyone to cheer on for Lutz, we can see Ember being drawn to him in that moment. And it all leads up to the balloon scene, and when she's creating the balloon, and Wade gets to see her creative side, he's so mesmerized with her and he's not afraid to show it, he's very open with his emotions. Now I don't know how after all that, you could still find their chemistry or interest in each other "out of nowhere". PS: We found Clod to be absolutely stupidly hilarious as a character, the kind of young kiddo who you'd roll your eyes with empathy for trying so hard to get a girlfriend / boyfriend because that's what kids think they need to do / get. When it comes to Ember and us not being able to tell that she actually doesn't want to run the shop, that's perfectly fine, why do we have to know that when Ember herself wasn't aware of it until later on. She could never understand her temper until later on and it makes sense, so many of us truly find ourselves or understand something deeper within us way later in life. And lastly Wade isn't uninteresting at all, he's such an endearing character and it was so refreshing to see a male lead be so open with his emotions and feelings.
Them falling in love at a hot air balloon ride is just the modern version of the magic carpet ride in Aladdin without the music lol. They worked fine IMO, there’s a montage anyways
And I don’t think Aladdin and Jasmine’s romance is believable either. It’s 2023, I fear movies, ESPECIALLY ones made by huge corporations, should take more time to establish romance better, or just not have it at all!
My take from this movies is that they can make elements that represents a water boy and a fire girl but can’t make two sea boys fall in love god forbid it’s just a bromance ….they did that with WALL·E and eve too… gives us heartfelt lgbt Pixar I know they can..
I lit talked to a Disney executive the other day in a bar. He was crowing that Disney screwed over the writers/actors by claiming that they got rid of "AI", but in reality they just call it "machine learning" now. He said that "machine learning" will now produce scripts by recycling the story beats of old Disney IP. I mean, that's pretty telling. But audiences are getting sick of the redundancy. Elemental is more proof of this. While there are some cliches, I'm glad that an original story is doing well at the box office.
I never really saw many of the complaints people had with Elemental. I quite liked it. It's not quite on the level as the highest Pixar films, but it's still of fantastic quality to me. Maybe it's better that we all actually see something before we judge it personally.
What do you mean Wide is boring? I absolutely loved him as a character, a real soft, golden retriever type of male protagonist. A guy who tries to do good by others and just wants to understand, not a toxic drop in his bucket, I really don't understand why that translates to "boring" for some people. To me, it was really refreshing. The romance in this movie, unlike many others, is actually a great depiction of something equal and healthy.
I loved this movie. idk why, but the chemistry and love between Wade and Ember felt real. Much realer than most characters in kids movies who fall in love. I think them alone and they're interactions are what make me like the movie so much. That and the depiction of intimacy I feel are really really beautiful. (of course the animation and visuals and the city are complete eye candy too)
Same!!! I enjoyed the movie so much because of the romance. I think some of the criticisms on the plot are valid but I also think the romance is so refreshingly real that the story is a compliment to it. It’s a real world situation that strains their relationship.
This is one of my faves to come out this year. Bawled my eyes out at the end, could relate to Ember because I love my Dad more than anything and want to make him proud. The ending felt.. idk.. but the movie itself leading up to the end was VERY entertaining. The two leads are so sweet together too 🥰
YEAH!!! I loved them a lot, but I feel like they could've had better scenes and better plot line. The two characters' personalities made it feel so real, despite the fact I also felt that they were lacking in good dialogue. I wish a great animating team would make another kind of romance like this but this time making up for Elemental's lacking.
I can understand that the explanation of why the family left Fire Town felt over-explained instead of just felt through better storytelling. However, we kind of need to be told the dad's bow story because viewers are not yet aware of this fictional fire culture customs. We would understand that the father is disapproving but, how would one know that he is supposed to bow back? I felt the scene was earned because when I saw Ember bow I knew from the father's story it is a sign of respect and acknowledgment to have the person bow back.
It was a fine movie. It just lacked any kind of depth. The breaking traditions message was pretty weak. It was just the the water guy (already forgot his name) telling the fire girl ( Amber I think?) to do what she wants. They could have dug deeper into that. As an immigrant that broke my family’s traditions myself, I know there was a lot more they could have done with this idea. They could have shown strong pushback from the fire girl’s family when they found out she didn’t want to follow their traditions. My family did. And I was often treated like an outcast and a less-than for a long time. They could have made it so that the fire girl was made an outcast and the water guy, who was part of the affluent class, helped her figure out what she wanted to do. Thst was basically my story. I wanted to own my own business. But when my parents found out, I was immediately an outcast, made fun of, and looked down upon. Then I met my mentor who, himself had started his own business and succeeded. And he helped me figure out how to get there. I own a small but thriving web dev business now. And I really like it. But back to the film. They could have done something along those lines. And, even used that to build up the romance between the two. The romance in this film seems kinda empty and fake. It was just “hey, nice to meet you. Hey, I really love you.” Like, no depth at all. Such wasted opportunity :(
I think it's more that they could have conveyed the importance of it with less narration, like instead of explaining "I turned to bow and he didn't bow back," they could say something like "when we left, I said goodbye but..." and trail off and have the mom or ember finish it off with "but they didn't bow back?" Or something on his face that conveys that things didn't work out the way they were supposed to. It seems like this movie just has an issue with telling instead of showing with expressions or setting. There are a lot of moments that are good that could have been great with just a few more tweaks.
When the lady talked about how she's never seen anyone go almost full purple before in her shop, i really thought ember would go full purple in front of the fire people and be outcast
6:24 I think the point is she didn’t realize she doesn’t want to take over the shop before she meets water boy…unless you have another way of it coming out unconsciously? Plus, she has the pressure to relieve her father and allow him to retire
I personally loved Elemental it was a cute love story. Not everything has to be a grand movie, its a simple movie and that is ok. The issue here is that everyone put too much pressure on Elemental because its from Pixar and Disney
Up is a simpler movie and it's amazing. Elemental is arguably a more grand film in terms of visuals and style yet it's nothing compared to a simple tale like Up. So, yes, movies don't always need to be grand but the do need stories that are actually good.
I feel like there are too many adults expecting complicated and/or dark stories. At the end of the day it IS a complicated movie, not just for adults but also children. There may be children and adults that these messages aren't 'common sense', this film can appeal to both. Adults are used to true heartbreak from media, kids simply can't handle it. They don't distinguish fiction from reality like adults. I think like a lot of the critisim on new Pixar films are from kids who have grown up and thus expect more.
@@M_k-zi3tn It also depends on the experience you have before going into the movie, like how I've heard Elemental resonates with a lot of people from immigrant families. When I was younger, and to this day as an adult, Up bored the absolute hell out of me. The story was good but in my eyes it was just an old man and some kid walking around, with some good tension and action sprinkled in at times. Otherwise kid me would have rather watched Incredibles or smn like Kung Fu Panda. I feel like Elemental is on that same wavelength, only I personally found the experience more enjoyable.. but even then it's like comparing apples to oranges just because they're both fruits. Even the love story subverts expectations by making Wade an openly emotional, expressive, and reliable male lead. It's refreshing asf to see the roles flip in that sense, whilst also depicting a healthy dynamic and caring love story. Some people like that, some people don't, but it's all up to presence.
I'll be honest, I was crying within the first 5 minutes. Maybe it had a lot to do with me watching this with my wife- but that opening scene where they imply they had to deliver Ember by themselves- in a new world where they would not have been able to find help- Made me get v emotional. 6:30 Also- I really didn't mind clod. He was fun to watch, and tbh reminded me a bit of myself. He really didn't have a lot of screen time, but It was cute seeing his innocent crush on Ember, and him seemingly not caring/noticing that they are different Elements. The end where he ends up rushing over the fire girl his age made me chuckle- little guy has a type it seems lol. I know there's probably people who took offense to that- I say it's a very easy way to get across that the new gen of elements in this city are more and more open-minded. Wade being the crybaby felt like a personal attack. I was bawling in that theatre every 10 minutes lmao-- It's certainly not the BEST Pixar movie. Far from top 5. But it's nowhere near the studio's worst, so I really hope people give it the chance. I kinda liked seeing Pixar do a romance centered film. The story definitely will resonate more with some than others. I'll admit that If you're either single or not an immigrant/ married to one, this movie might not hit as close to home. But if the very least you like looking at good animation, this is a okay movie to check out
While Elemental was better than I thought it would be, I'm still disappointed over how lacking it was. There were great concepts in there, but everything felt rushed or not developed enough. I agree that the relationship between Wade and Ember was rushed. I had no idea they were even dating until Ember was telling Wade they were over. They were still cute, despite Wade not having much of a personality. The subjects of race and immigration could've/should've been more expanded upon. I liked this way better than Pixar's other more recent movies, but it's nowhere near as impactful as the likes of Ratatouille or Coco. I'm glad people are giving it a chance lately, though.
I think the immigrant aspect of the story falls flat due to the implications of this specific universe. In real life, hate towards people of different race largely comes from stereotypes, ignorance and lack of knowledge. In here however, fearing other elements and not wanting to be around them feels kind of warranted? I mean, fire REALLY DOES evaporate water. It REALLY DOES burn things. And the other way around aswell - water DOES put out fire. It's not a misconception, even this specific movie showcases it. It's not really unfair for the earth elementals to fear fire when the movie clearly shows us that fire people can burn them down. I feel like the story would work much better if the narrative presented that, for example, fire people are treated unfairly and actually pose no danger to others. But the movie doesn't do that at all, instead showing many examples of fire people actually being dangerous to others (like Ember's mother setting the doorbell on fire, Ember blowing up and burning Fern Grouchwood etc). The racial implications of this are just really tone deaf.
In real life, racism is based on stereotypes that are true in few cases. People take the bad instances and apply them to everyone of that race. In Elemental, this is what happens but intensified. Every racist thinks their hate is warranted because someone of another race hurt them or someone of their race at some point. It's not true that everyone is harmless because people can harm each other. With racism, racists just attribute harm to others only. We can also help each other and learn and build a better world together. Same as the elements in the movie.
You mean scenes like them finding out that Fire and Water can touch without killing each other, or that scene at the third act where we’re reminded of the cycle of water? And that other scene where Clod is seen giving flowers to that fire girl?
@@thirdeye9698 True, there are, in my opinion, issues with consistency here. They can touch each other, but fire still burns things. Like the Fern Grouchwood scene I mentioned. Water is one thing, but buildings and the nature/tree folk is a whole other can of worms. Also in that scene where Clod gives Ember a flower, she burns it, so not sure what you mean by that.
@marchosiasu9700 the Earth people are earth, not plants. Based on Clod and Fern, it looks like their "hair" grows back pretty quickly since Clod grew flowers on demand basocally and Fern had all of his hair and mustache back by the end of the movie. In the real world forests can grow back better after a fire. There are wildflowers and trees whose seeds are only able to sprout after a fire. Wildfires are part of a natural cycle. We humans just messed it up with our meddling. There are also rocks and minerals that form with heat. It would have been cool if the earth guy on the train had been seen later with bigger, better plants growing than just the grass that got burned. Misconceptions and fear keep people apart. Reaching out and learning about each other can lead to new discoveries.
@@marchosiasu9700from what I’ve seen, the fire people only burns things when they’re not in controlled of their fire or it done on purpose. There were many objects the fire people held, that didn’t burnt off because they were in control of their fire. Also earth people aren’t really affect by fire. Because the rock and earth itself is them, the plants that come out of them are just hair. That’s why the fern grouchwood guy wasn’t screaming his mind off from just being burnt. To them, fire is nothing more than an inconvenience.
Well i liked the movie. The romance between the two characters was cute. Wade was a really good charcter imo. It wasnt anything ground-breaking, but not every fipm needs to be
This was a great movie. For me, it’s a 9/10. 🔥❤️💧 When you mentioned about Wade and Bernie not having a conversation. It’s not about them (they did had there time in the movie). It’s about Amber. When you mentioned that Amber does not have a goal or what she want’s todo. In the movie it’s in development, she’s finding what she enjoys. This movie is great, cute, and clever like any other Pixar film. This is not as great as Wall-E, but I think it’s a little tiny better than Inside Out
i liked this movie!!! i just felt like wade and ember’s relationship was overall lacking. i didn’t feel their chemistry, to me it felt that ember, all of a sudden, was like, “oh i love you!”. i also don’t personally like when movies chalk up the relationship growth into a montage of various dates, it’s very hard to connect to
I dont think modern Disney writers want any villian who can just flex their evil, they're all just boring nothing good people losing their way for about 5 minutes who just need a hug
You are so much focused on non specific things it hinders your thoughts. 1: the mother never hated water people. 2: why would seeing the rest of the flood getting cleared be any help with the plot of the movie. 3: the movie is NOT about the immigration. It’s about fitting in and being who you are instead of what others see you as/want you to be. If you stop having a one string mindset maybe you’d understand the approach
While Pixar isn’t 100% in the clear just yet, I’m glad Elemental did well and it makes me feel like their future is starting to look brighter, promising, and interesting. I doubt they’ll ever be the same as their glory days, but to say that they completely lost their footing is an overstatement. Plus who knows after all of their problems are sorted out we might get something even better.
I actually went to the theater to see it with my boyfriend as a 2nd date,, we only watched it cause we didnt want to Ruby Gillman and nothing was showing for 2 more hours. There were 32 seats in the theater and only 4 other people watching with us. I was sceptical - he didnt care too much but we both ended up liking it. Probably won't pay to watch it again but it was a nice a movie imo. Though i LOVED the part where Wade's mom brings up the glass job thing after seeing her remake the vase(?). She doesnt care about the element difference, or background, she just saw talent and went "you could do something really cool with it if you wanted, lmk". Its so sweet
I don't hate this Movie, I really liked it but the Flaws really hurt it on an emotional level that's been so well excuted in their old movies. I appreciate the love story but they could've done better with the immigration point and the Conclusion that does feel earned I did shed a tear when Ember was dancing with Wade because it was a pretty sweet moment 😢 This Movie could be so much because there is love & passion here 💝 From the director himself going thru these events irl It's just holds back and the conflict is just solved immediately
I really respect your opinion ,and I like how you expressed yourself in general (I do agree on some of your points). However, as a genuine fan of the film ,and without trying to sound rude, I think you need to give this movie another chance and watch it with a different perspective. The movie shows constantly how they’re falling in love and how their relationship works, in both direct and subtle ways. To put it in a romantic way, he falls in love with her light and she falls in love how she shines through him. They do show signs of attraction before and during the hot air balloon scene ,and they don't fall in love in that moment. The movie, like you said, shows more the tension they have. The “tester” scene isn’t the only moment they show they’re a couple. He says in other moments how she is special and inspiring to him and how he wants to be with her. She sees herself reflected on him (literally) a couple of times, as an allegory of a mirror, because that’s his main role in their relationship for her to appreciate herself more and know herself better. The moment at the beach where they’re watching the sunset and the sun touches the sea (fire touches water) is an allegory of their relationship. The movie shows a couple of moments where water people mistreat the father and his wife just because of their element. That's why he hates water. You’re right, we never see how the dad stops hating on Wade ,but in reality it’s because he never hated him, he just hate the version he thought of how Wade was. After seeing how he sacrificed himself for his daughter and the blue flame and how her daughter expressed about him, he understood everything. I understand you wanted a different approach to solve this issue ,but I see it as how sometimes that’s how it happens in real life. You show the people that don’t like you, yet they don’t really know you how you are through your actions. To me, they didn’t “skip” anything. There just wasn't the need of a talk. I even think Clod is necessary because it helps us to see that side of Ember (looking for a partner side and her relationship with other elements and the rest of the city in general) before the conflict starts, even if it is with the comic relief character. As for the plot point of Ember discovering her real dream, to me it works because the focus isn’t in what the real dream is, the focus is Ember realizing her dream isn’t her family's store and the guilt she has for that. Who knows if she's going to end up doing glass work. What matters is that she discovers she wants to try that and be out there ,but how she fears how those things will disappoint her dad. And how she didn’t know that before? She never doubted her supposed dream, until Wade comes to her life and changes her perspective. I know I probably won't change your opinion on this movie (heck, I don't know if you’re going to read this 😅). I just wanted to share my thoughts here, because like you, I care about this film and about Pixar (and because I have nothing better to do 😃). I know I am in the minority but I consider this film to be one of the best from the studio. I hope with time more people watch it and appreciate it ❤
Wonderfully written! After I myself watched it, I was surprised by how decent it was, despite what was said about it. And when the video was talking about how Ember got stressed out by "small" things: bruh, I worked with customers and I got worked up alongside Ember at her customers xD. I was very pleasantly surprised by how Ember's and Wade's relationship developed. It didn't feel forced, and you can see many moments when they admired each other and heard each other. Yes, it was wrong of Wade to still deliver the audit of her dad's shop, but he was very sympathetic towards her and tried his best to help her keep the business open. And when the video was saying how the scene of Ember's parents leaving their hometown is not 'making a connection with audience' and 'is lame' -> DUDE. I come from a family that also had to leave everything behind them, and also without 100% approval from their own parents. Lo and behold, I as part of an audience made a conncetion! Arrrrrgh, semi frustrated at many videos like these.
This is a thoughtful breakdown that enhances my appreciation for Elemental all the more. And my comment is even longer than yours, so don't worry. I'm obsessed too. If you read this, OMG ಥ_ಥ I'm with you on everything you said. Elemental DOES have good themes and "show don't tell" moments, but TELLING is the point! "Say how you feel" is the whole lesson, so idek how Nick has a problem with the exposition the characters give. If not for Wade explaining why he tried to shut down her shop, and Ember explaining why she tried to stop him, they wouldn't even have decided to help each other, much less hang out. When Cinder explains why they left their homeland, when Bernie explains how important being accepted is to him thanks to his shitty father? This is HUGE info for Ember and it makes her feel that much guiltier for even thinking about disregarding all her father's hard work when she should have been ready to take over years ago, just to chase a dream making glass in a faraway city, with a rich kid water guy. It's why she blows up so hard after they touch. Even the love test scene is meaningful; in fact, this scene is there to SHOW not TELL something. And it's not whether or not they're in love, which can be GATHERED. When he lifts up his shirt and stands in front of her, he's reflecting her light onto the incense. "Wade reflects Ember's light" is the recurring motif between them that completely sums up their dynamic, on full display for Ember's mom to see. Wade is a catalyst through which Ember's inner fire, the light inside her that he loves, can shine. It happens the first time on the train in the dark. The back of his watery head mirrors her own fiery face back at her when she catches up to him. This is unusual to her. At City Hall when he sends the tickets to processing, as she pleads in earnest, her light shines through him into the room, and in awe he turns around. And on the beach as she admits her turmoil and starts withering away, she's still brightly reflecting off of him. What to Ember is a weak moment, is to Wade a display of true emotion that he finds beautiful. The glass she makes that night also reflects her light back at herself, as her art pieces are representations of her inner self. And it happens when they play the crying game and Wade pretty much tells her he wants to be with her. And again when he's freaking dying, and she says that she loves him... Also am I wrong, does the water leaking and the broken doors represent their emotions? Wade cries a flood at the drop of a hat, he just leaks into people's lives, pours his heart out, and connects with them by being emotionally honest. Ember is unable to do this, sealing everything behind neglected doors and denying how she feels, with herself, with Wade, with her dad. So she finds it hard to connect. But the way they FIX the doors TOGETHER is symbolic of their relationship. She used to explode in anger under pressure, while her true emotions-- resentment over her burden, guilt over her parents' hard work going to waste, worry over losing their approval-- were unknown even to her. But the sandbags she put up in her mind were swept away by a wave of Wade's unconditional love and support, and he kept trying to break down her doors to show her what was inside herself. The glowing glass door she makes to fix the second leak shines in the sun as the water rushes behind it. It is indicative of the renewed expressiveness she's felt since being with Wade, how all he needs to do is be there with her, and love her, and her beautiful inner self comes out. But even tempered glass can't withstand the strain she's under. Wade knows this and shows up at her ceremony to stop her from having to reluctantly live a life she doesn't want. He kinda destroys everything Ember was trying to hold in place by just saying out loud how they both feel about each other. And the dam breaks again and a flood rushes in. And Wade is more than happy to sacrifice himself for her in that room, just like how her own parents sacrificed everything for the chance to give her, before she had even been BORN, a better life; just like how she was sacrificing her own happiness for them. I think the flood was not a "setpiece", it was warranted, not only within the context of a water-centric city that is unaccommodating to fire, but thematically. It circles back to the last disaster Ember's parents experienced, when they lost all but a sliver of the Blue Flame the first time; the elements ( ಠ‿
@@maynot We hyperfans have to stand together 😂🙌 I didn’t thought about the dam plot in that way before ,but you know what? That’s a really awesome take you have. It really fits everything you say with what happens. Thank you! Now I love this movie more ❤️ For me, that’s what makes this movie so great, it’s full of all these details and nuances in what, on the surface, is a simple story. Whenever I can, I will hear the director's commentary. I'm really interested in everything he has to say 😅 and perhaps he will tell even more details about the film.
@@eduardomorales4324 yeah, ikwym! Your comment woke me up bro, when i wrote that I got all in the zone bc of you. Have you read the novelization for this movie? I don't know where to find it but I've heard that it fleshes out Wade's backstory with his father, as well as Ember's artistic side, and doesn't that sound splendiferous? There's so much about this movie and this world I would have liked to see. I want to know if they have cellphones, for instance. Did they exchange contacts? I want to see Wade's place! We only saw his mom's house! It's like, why do I care sooo much 🤦🥺🔥💧
The crazy thing is I kind of want Elemental to get a sequel or more content because there are a lot of potential and interesting ideas for the story to continue forward. Which does give me hope for the future of Pixar. I even had an idea for the sequel where both Ember and Wade decide to go back to visit their parents in Element City, but time has changed, and they haven't seen them for so long that they feel a bit disconnected from them and the similar situation can be said for their parent, while they would be a lot more friendly and maybe even visit each other they also a bit distance as well especially with the times changing and society giving them new influences. I even had this idea for the villains of the story first starting off as a typical one-off random couple but as the story goes on Ember and Wade realize how toxic they are to themselves, their own relatives, and others. Once they know their backstory they realize the couple is actually Clod’s parents and they are trying to find Clod, who was taken far away as a baby by a relative or someone in order to escape the abusive relationship. Realizing this, Wade and Ember decided to make sure they never met Clod again.
Just because a lot of people don’t like the movie doesn’t mean it’s only because it’s under the Disney brand. People are just more picky about the stuff they want to watch, especially with movie prices rising. So when a person goes to a movie, pays $40 on tickets and food, just to find the movie wasn’t worth it to them, leads to mass disappointment. It’s okay if you liked the movie, but you can’t expect everyone else to have the same opinion. Even if a lot of people don’t like the movie, it’s not because it’s overhated, it’s because the majority simply hold the opinion that the movie wasn’t good. I, myself, was originally not interested in the movie because of the animation style. With all the other animated movies having a more interesting art style, like Mutant Mayhem and ATSV, I was more inclined to watch their movies because it didn’t seem generic. Both Elemental and Teenage Kraken were movies I had no desire to see simply because of how it was presented, leading me to retract to the previous point about people being more picky where they spend their time. I feel like if Disney took more risks and diversified their animation a little bit more, they’d gain some of their popularity back or at least bring a larger initial audience. But we’re in a new age and with people seeing that Elemental cost more than ATSV and Mutant Mayhem combined, while still maintaining graphics that we’ve basically seen from previous years and doing nothing interesting, they’re not gonna bother seeing it. And if they do, you can’t stop them from being upset their expectants weren’t met. Good animation and good story matter. This is why we’re having strike in the industry as we speak.
@@silvertrees6421you’re absolutely right!!! As someone who is very picky with my movies, I don’t want to pay money to see some poorly advertised, simple plot movie in theatres. The only way I watched this movie is on Disney+ because I wanted to enjoy it without spending as much money, but I still didn’t like it! I think fans of unpopular films nowadays are trying to hard to assume the worst of those who dislike what they enjoy. I’m a fan of Malignant, a widely hated horror movie since it’s release, and I don’t mind that people hate it! If I enjoy it, it’s for me, and if I don’t, it’s not for me. Everyone should be allowed to share their thoughts and analyses without being shamed or judged for “not getting it”. Even badly written, badly acted and badly filmed movies can be enjoyable. Watching garbage can be fun! I don’t see the issue people have nowadays with disliking or enjoying certain things, it’s really bizarre!
I adore the visuals of this movie, but the writing was not "Disney-Pixar quality". Like, if this was made by a small studio, I would understand, but the two animation power houses?? I don't expect that from them tbh, it's like their best writers just walked out or something (cough cough pay your writers cough). I can feel the passion in this movie though, and I surprisingly cried by the end of the movie because I can relate with the two main characters, seeing that me and my fiance are an interracial couple from different countries. But outside of the characters' love and life struggles, the story can be subpar at times. It could've been great if they could just take one more step forward. But overall, it's an enjoyable movie to watch.
I think I was predisposed to hate this movie because 1. Saw too many ads for it 2. I’ve worked on projects with themes surrounding elements and this just felt so basic compared to those In conclusion ads suck and I have a superiority complex bye
I think that the whole purpose of ember not realising she wants to run the shop is supposed to be like how when you grow up or when you go to college, you’re sure that you want to do one thing, but as you study into it more you may find interest in another thing. It comes with growing up. And as she grows she feels like her dad only wanted her to run the shop and wouldn’t support her if she wanted to do something else. Also I think the explaining stuff is quite accurate to immigrant parents. My boyfriend’s dad will often tell him about his past just randomly or in almost any conversation. Not that that’s a bad thing of course.
I wanted to like this movie so badly. As soon as Wade was introduced I was put off, he's so unlikable. I get that he's water but they could've been more subtle with him being emotional and shown it more as his strength rather than a cheap gag having him cry every two seconds. I HATED the scene where he interrupts the ceremony and outs her. It just makes him seem selfish, out of touch, and he clearly doesn't understand Ember and what's important to her. It contradicts all his adoration for her because we can see he clearly doesn't know her like he thinks he does. But NOTHING pissed me off like the fake dying scene. They almost got me, and then he's magically brought back because she makes him cry... great. In terms of design I hate how the characters look, I hate their outfits and I hate how they often look out of place in contrast to the seemingly more realistic looking animation around them. I'm disappointed because this could've been great.
Sorry but thump down for your review, this movie wasnt just fine, it is a masterpiece, i have watched it 9 times already, and every time it hit, the romance felt reel not just another generics one, this movie deserved the price, specifically when it did reach the right target, as a child of first generation of immigrant parents who came to a new country with nothing and sacrifice their live to give me a better life, this movie really touched me, I would forever love this movie, I entourage people to watch it and also because WADE isnt boring???!! Wth his character is so damn refreshing, you can asks the ladies, we all rule for him!
Nah, I loved this movie. BOTH Wade and Ember are very memorable with their own personalities and past/current challenges. For a romance story based on elements, with two characters who seem to be in their early 20s, I related to it a lot and absolutely enjoyed every second of it.
I for one think it’s good that this movie didn’t try to commit too much on the immigration and racists themes of this world. We already saw that with Zootopia. And don’t get me wrong, Zootopia is a much better film, but i believe this film simply focuses on characters, rather then fleshing out this world. It’s beautiful and maybe it should have been more thoroughly explored, but i’m sorry Zootopia kinda meet them to the punchline. But this movie is also just a beautiful romantic story and doesn’t try to remove from being the core message of this film. It’s completely underrated, and it should deserve a lot more love then it initially did. :/
from what i can see, you sound like you hate the romance in this movie while I think its charming. the reason ember's dad accepts wade is the fact he saved his daughter and sacrificed himself. wade and ember's dad doesnt need to speak with eachoter to accept each other, if someone saves the person you love the most, you'd accept them in your too so I also disagree with how you viewed with that scene.
I got to be honest I don't agree with pretty much everything that, but obviously I'm going to respect your opinion cuz you do have some good points, but I didn't notice any of the issues you brought up and personally really like the movie I guess we just take it differently 😊
Sometimes a simple and heartfelt story is enough. I'm usually overly critical of movies (esp romances) but found thus really sweet. You can really feel the creator's lived experiences and passion in this.
Agree with most of the negative points you pointed out, but I do think there is subtlety shown regarding Wade and Ember's feelings for each other. Multiple scenes show how they were in awe of what the other was capable of despite their differences. I feel like their love story is quite well-fleshed out and the pacing of the romance worked for me.
I think this movie was just bad. I think ember, her family and their backstory was very beautiful, and just that alone was enough to create a very compelling story! She had a lot to learn about managing her feelings, listening to herself, appreciating her desires, and in the end it just feels like another man came in and told her what she actually wanted. (Sounds alot like her dad since they insisted on just throwing him under the bus). Actually, wade had originally went OUT of his way to get the shop shut down, even though he wasn't even supposed to be inspecting HER shop it was an accident, still decided too. That is a**hole behavior, he could have very well just ignored the violations, and been more concerned about why tf he ended up there in the first place. But instead, she CHASES HIM, he gets them almost shut down, just for him to finally listen and then help her fix it. That should NOT be why she falls for him, because she always feeling like she is making mistakes, ruining things for her parents to fix, and so when once again she creates this situation that has to be fixed, of f***ing course she is going to fall for the man who isn't mad at her about her mistakes, sympathizes, and helps her fix it. She doesn't see his mistake in the first place, she only sees how she messed up and how he doesn't mind to help. (MAY I PLEASE POINT OUT, her dad was never harsh on her about her outbursts, he was always very patient with her. She LOVES her dad, and if anything I feel like she just has daddy issues that Wade easily plays into). Falling in love with Wade just all in all felt very out of place. We were presented with ember's anger being the main issue, and then in the end she doesn't actually find a answer for herself and her anger. She just moves into a new life, in the honeymoon stage of a "new love", acting like she isn't still going to be angry because "love cures all" right? Wade just gives her an, ONE, idea outside of what she knows for her future and she falls for it. She didn't know any better, she didn't even get a chance to figure things out outside of what he was telling her she could try. Ill give him this, it's definitely not bad what he suggested, and the lifestyle he is helping her accomplish, but I'm trying to explain how her first issues were never actually solved. There's a lot more I could talk about but I have to poo
I, respectfully, disagree with.. basically everything. I loved Ember and Wade as characters. I found their quiet romance to be extremely realistic, and they both have subtle arcs and grow and learn from each other. Ember learns to be open and honest about what she is feeling and Wade learns to be assertive when it’s important, instead of just always going with the flow and letting things pass him by.
I feel like the movie had potential to be amazing. Like, having 2 elements (Fire and Water) to be at war. And then having the two main characters (Ember and Wade) make peace with both kingdoms. Or something more exiting then original movie. However, I do find the movie to be pretty good actually. (like 7.2/10) And it’s certainly a lot better than most modern Disney movies. (after 2022 that is) So I don’t mind it existing.
I really like the movie, imo wade made ember realize that she didnt like running his dad's shop and encouraging her to tell her father her true feelings, being honest to your love ones, seeing amber feel Trapped, made wade feel "confused" onto why she doesnt follow her own heart and wanted to do whatever SHE wants, wade says "why does ANYONE get to tell you what to do in your life". I know that bernie's father didnt give the bok sou vow, as an asian teenager i know the feeling of "if u dont do what we want you get dissowned", bernie is different; he accepts that his daughter didnt want to run the shop. Overall they overcome troubles together and generally, wade does genuienly help her and make her feelings true, without the hot air balloon scene where wade says "maybe your temper is saying something that you dont want": basically everything wade says made contact on ember's heart. 10/10 imo ❤
I don’t agree on clod. I feel like people hate him BECAUSE of Disney’s stupid marketing choices. He was fine, his voice want annoying, he was actually pretty soft spoken
Didn't hate this movie as much as I thought I was going to (ironically, all thanks to assumptions made with Disney's modern storytelling in mind that the movie thankfully did not incorporate), but it wasn't mindblowing or a masterpiece on par with some recent animations like Puss in Boots TLW. The racism metaphor doesn't work. Just plain does not work. It garners no sympathy and makes the fire elements look like conceited jerks. The easiest way to have remedied this was to have them acknowledge that they are by nature destructive and self-segregate by choice; or they should have wore fire-protective suits when they try to enter spaces meant for other elements, but still be turned way. This would serve as a great visual metaphor for the fire elements attempting to integrate with the greater society, but are still seen as an "other". And the racism metaphor doesn't work because we don't see any racism that isn't actually warranted (e.g., not allowed to rent a place made out of fire because they will burn it down. They even included a "comical" scene where Ember's mom sets the doorbell on fire, which undermines their entire message of racism). In cases where they _could have_ shown unwarranted racism, like when Ember and Wade go on a date, it doesn't happen. No dirty looks. No confrontations about element mixing. No being thrown out of establishments. Nobody bats an eye seeing these two different elements attempt to mix in public. It's a movie without focus (the movie doesn't have an overall narrative plot, but rather 3 B plots that just flow into each other). It was designed by committee and we all see it. The racism without racism is definitely a consequence of conflicting writers. It's like having a war flashback without anyone having guns or wearing military uniforms, because one writer wanted that character to have a military background, but another writer objected to showing guns or anything military related because she's anti-gun and hates the military. Really, the only good parts are the chemistry between Wade and Ember, and the respectful nature of Ember and her dad; and that's only because they aren't done in the stereotypical Disney way. Ember and her dad isn't generational trauma like Disney loves, and is simply an internal struggle for Ember because she loves her dad so much and wants to do right by him, whereas he's completely unaware that she has any doubt about wanting the store. If this were done Disney style, Ember would be forced to take on this store that has been in the family for generations, and her dad also hates it and gave up his dreams to manage it because his dad made him do it. Ember and Wade are "cute" together, almost to the point of super sappy. No complaints, as having a genuine relationship seems to be a thing that Disney doesn't do anymore. This is also why Koreans seem to love it, as K-dramas are so similar.
I heard a rumor floating around that the animators were going to go on strike and that's the reason why Disney so poorly advertised its newest animated movie. Could just be conspiracy though.
I liked the love story, very classic rom-com with a twist of being literal elemental beings who happen to be polar opposites of each other. “We come from 2 different worlds,” that sorta thing. I also really loved the obvious cultural appreciation. But honestly what really got me was the soundtrack, it just did such a good job of making you feel like you were in a different world, but one that’s still close to home, very feel-good. I can meditate to this shit. And it went very well with the visuals, the movie is just so colorful and very aesthetically pleasing. The movie is not without its flaws, but I will definitely watch again many more times without getting tired of it.🥰
clod is dumb
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i hate clod.
#clod got that rizz!!!😂😂😂😂😂
you take that back, clods appearance in this movie was akin to the second coming of christ
watch puss and boots 2
CLOD IS THE WORST
I didn't really understand why Ember's parents had to leave their country after the storm. The disaster wasn't presented as something recurring and their families were still there, they could have rebuilt their shop.
Especially since they were presented to be the ONLY two to have made the journey…
@@Boops_a_leaf they never really disclosed on why the other flames disapproved of them as well like ??? aren't your guys homes destroyed as well? why does it have to be just them???
@kemiiwii maybe it represents what's classified as tethering. A country's mainstream culture can supercede race/color? Or maybe it was just ember the othe flames didn't like 🤔
Because the dad wanted his daughter to grow up in a better environment. When you become a dad you become more scared and paranoid for your child, if it were just him and his wife it’d be how you were thinking but bringing a child into the equation is a whole different thing.
This was the only time I really questioned the movie's story. Other than that I love this film. Pixar is good at rom-coms and they're gorgeous visually, which is half the point of a movie. Drama and Rom-com often forget that.
*Shower Thoughts:* If Ember and Wade have kids on their own, is that means she conceived a block of Obsedian and a Cobblestone? The Elemental lore is getting more complicated.
*Edit:* This comment is a joke. The baby of Ember and Wade is a Steam if the the concept art/storyboard depicted otherwise.
nah bruh they a cobblestone generator
@@Andre2998 That one too.
they have a steam child, there are story boards for it :)
@@fishkid1177 This implies the existence of water jizz
@@cooliostarstache5474 wtf?? how??
to say wade has no character is crazyyy. his entire presence is being a supportive, emotional, goofy, awkward ball of compassion and ur saying is personality is boring?
Yeah right. To expand on your point, he's a great listener, he's compassionate, he's open, he's in touch with his feelings and doesn't feel demasculinated about it, and he's very kind. By 'boring', I'm guessing this guy means he has no dark side or something.
@@SevenEllen or i guess to him having no obvious flaws is having "no character" lol
@@bridger5477 but the thing is, he does have flaws and they are a huge part of what makes him interesting. He's got so much heart but no understanding of what it's like to not be in his situation. He is in a world that allows him to be open with how he feels and peruse what he wants and doesn't understand what it's like not to live that way. It's what makes him endearing but from memory is also the thing that causes the most friction in the relationship aside from outside factors.
@@Keopro no i agree. i think he is a very well written character that's why it confuses me why people would think he is a boring character
the flood needed to happen. its an allegory of her breaking, just like the dam. like they literally made shots of her breaking herself at the same time the dam broke. and her breaking is the worst thing that could happen. they shouldve dumbed it down so even you get it
The movie isn't bad or good, it's just when you're bored and have nothing else to watch or do so you watch this
I feel like unless you’ve lived this specific experience, this movie will seem like a futile attempt. However, I resonated deeply with the story and Ember’s internal struggle. There’s a lot going on in this movie emotionally. I think what this movie lacks most is actual world building. The immigrant story itself was very well done and resonates with those who have experienced it.
Yup, couldn't've agree more. As someone who also immigrated to the states at a young age, the experiences Ember has in the film is very relatable.
Yeah, it’s kinda hard to hear all of this “I need this fully spelled out to relate to it so it’s just not as good” and like I get it, but it’s hard to hear how much more people need to appreciate a movie like this when it’s so easy to relate to when you have shared experiences as the movie shows. Sometimes it’s nice to have something simple. I’m tired of our stories always being complicated and sad and marred by tragedy. Sometimes it’s nice to just get a simple cute love story.
@@fergieestaenlacasathese are the comments I've been looking for. I'm not an immigrant, but I live in a country in which you're always told to leave if you want a better chance at life, and as someone that wants to pursue art, I fear that I may have to end up doing so like Ember. I deeply connected with her bc of her personality, similar struggles relating to my parents and such. Most of these reviews complain about it "spelling things out" while they seem to need to get the inner struggles of the characters spelled out to them. I don't want to imply that people must always directly relate to the protagonists to enjoy the media they're in, but the messages and representation found in the movie really seem to go over the head of people that just can't relate, and it's a bit hurtful to have the entirety of such an accurate portrayal of these situations dismissed by these people because of it.
There are valid criticisms of course, but so much of the essence of the movie is lost on people who don't go through these things
Agreed. It's hard for people who do not have these experiences to relate without them being "fully fleshed out." I feel like it's unjust to call them unemotional.. they definitely resonated with me and my family's experiences. Thank you for this comment.
I hate that Wade is responsible for her shop closing down and then he's like "wait you like that store you run and don't want it shut down? Why didn't you say so?"
That made me so infuriated
Fr like if he just kept his mouth shut and really listened to her concerns, the issue would be a lot less stressful. This is partly why I don't think he's a good guy or a good partner to Ember tbh
also someone has to explain to me, why flood is Amber\s responsibility? like city services actually tell her - either you fix the leak or we let your neighborhood die lol. and then they inspect the glass wall and oked it?!?! wtf. this movie is pretty but dumb as heck
@@GalinaEv Right like why didn't they get the proper authorities to deal with the problem? Tbh I thought the movie was okay on the first watch but then the more I thought about it then rewatched and reanalyzed with my brain turned on, it got so much worse. There are too many narrative, logical, and worldbuilding issues with it.
@isav7305 the story is paper thin, and honestly im tired of movies that have visuals over any coherent plot
@@GalinaEv The whole idea of 'the city services acting like trying to put together accommodations for the fire people to be able to live safely is a burden they'd rather not have to deal with' COULD have worked.
In real life there are laws that (On paper) are meant to make cities more accessible for disabled people so they can get around better and live their lives more easily, but building accommodations and designing cities that way costs more money and so many cities will try their best to get away with skimping out on them as much as possible. (For example, there should be more public benches and places to sit for people who can't walk far but most cities would rather not invest in that kind of stuff.)
If the movie had leaned more into that idea of calling out public services for not doing more to make cities more accessible to those who need special accommodations, I could see that working much better. But the idea that city services are not doing their jobs properly and that Elemental city is not built with consideration for fire people doesn't go anywhere. If anything it's almost framed as "cute" the lengths that the fire people have to go all on their own in order to traverse across town safely. They have to bring umbrellas everywhere because the city planners don't care that water is always getting splashed everywhere.
City services should be the villains of this story.
Gotta disagree with you on this one, Nick
Wade was like “you’re so hot.” And ember was like “ excuse me?” And wade was like “no” “l your smoking.”
I am embarrassingly absolutely in love with wade ripple
“Act of clod” has to be the best line in the movie
this movie is actually genius cause in latin spanish clod and ONLY clod gets renamed to "Loduardo". theyre basically calling him Mudward
That's pretty much what clod means in English.
@@alexjewett7455 yeah. pretty clodtastic if you ask me. makes me wonder why only clod got his name changed
That's amazing.
@@alexjewett7455what's the name in the pun
@@cata0rostika "lodo" is mud and "-duardo" is like edward. loduardo, mudward. funnie
It was a "flash flood" the ships pushed over not a constant supply of water for the flood
6:28 the way that he said “clod “ I know he has a hatred towards him 😂
the cloud people literally just playing quidditch basketball lol
This movie is so good loved the entire world Pixar built for this one
Grandmas got the grippy!
I actually liked Wade because he was self aware that it wasn’t his story but he was still sweet and patient. I wish that Ember’s parent’s little montage was silent like the pretty Wade and Embed scene underwater. I wish there was more devastation shown when they left their country, like all the fire people would clearly be suffering without shelter and resources and just watching them leave with disappointment. It would give them all a lot more pressure to succeed and make it a bigger deal for Ember to not actually want that and cause more stressful moments. Could have solved a lot of the films issues imo
Clod is adorable and I love him!
I think learning about the Director using his own life as a template for the story of Elemental made me really appreciate its existence. It wasn’t perfect and I probably won’t remember it very well, but for the most part, it was an enjoyable movie.
I feel like a lot of people just misunderstand the movie, and your point about not even realizing that they liked each other and that it came out of nowhere is surprising to me. When my friends and I watched the movie ( we are all in our late twenties, almost 30 ) it was so apparent to us that there's interest. Wade is a very caring and emotional guy and he was touched by Ember's story and how much she cared about the shop and her family, and her relationship with her father resonated with him and we learn that later on in the movie. Their chemistry and romance was done so authentically and organically, which I don't see all that often and it's interesting to me how some people can find it so profound and emotional while others find it bland, boring and out of nowhere.
Ember, unlike her dad, seemed to have no prejudice about other elements and we first see her gaining interest in Wade during the airball game, when she sees how easily he gets to connect with other people as he motivates everyone to cheer on for Lutz, we can see Ember being drawn to him in that moment. And it all leads up to the balloon scene, and when she's creating the balloon, and Wade gets to see her creative side, he's so mesmerized with her and he's not afraid to show it, he's very open with his emotions. Now I don't know how after all that, you could still find their chemistry or interest in each other "out of nowhere".
PS: We found Clod to be absolutely stupidly hilarious as a character, the kind of young kiddo who you'd roll your eyes with empathy for trying so hard to get a girlfriend / boyfriend because that's what kids think they need to do / get.
When it comes to Ember and us not being able to tell that she actually doesn't want to run the shop, that's perfectly fine, why do we have to know that when Ember herself wasn't aware of it until later on. She could never understand her temper until later on and it makes sense, so many of us truly find ourselves or understand something deeper within us way later in life.
And lastly Wade isn't uninteresting at all, he's such an endearing character and it was so refreshing to see a male lead be so open with his emotions and feelings.
Them falling in love at a hot air balloon ride is just the modern version of the magic carpet ride in Aladdin without the music lol. They worked fine IMO, there’s a montage anyways
And I don’t think Aladdin and Jasmine’s romance is believable either.
It’s 2023, I fear movies, ESPECIALLY ones made by huge corporations, should take more time to establish romance better, or just not have it at all!
12:27 No, I think it was more about her culture and also him loving her enough to light the incense
It's Osmosis Jones banging with the Fire Princess Movie.
Why are all the TH-cam critics giving this movie a bad wrap and crapping on it. This movie was genuinely sweet and heart warming
My take from this movies is that they can make elements that represents a water boy and a fire girl but can’t make two sea boys fall in love god forbid it’s just a bromance ….they did that with WALL·E and eve too… gives us heartfelt lgbt Pixar I know they can..
I lit talked to a Disney executive the other day in a bar. He was crowing that Disney screwed over the writers/actors by claiming that they got rid of "AI", but in reality they just call it "machine learning" now. He said that "machine learning" will now produce scripts by recycling the story beats of old Disney IP. I mean, that's pretty telling. But audiences are getting sick of the redundancy. Elemental is more proof of this. While there are some cliches, I'm glad that an original story is doing well at the box office.
I never really saw many of the complaints people had with Elemental. I quite liked it. It's not quite on the level as the highest Pixar films, but it's still of fantastic quality to me. Maybe it's better that we all actually see something before we judge it personally.
He saved his DAMN DAUGHTER
What do you mean Wide is boring? I absolutely loved him as a character, a real soft, golden retriever type of male protagonist. A guy who tries to do good by others and just wants to understand, not a toxic drop in his bucket, I really don't understand why that translates to "boring" for some people. To me, it was really refreshing. The romance in this movie, unlike many others, is actually a great depiction of something equal and healthy.
*Wade
@@matthewramoszuniga2889 *Wide
_"I like the word 'moist', Ember."_
i agree it’s kinda rare to see male characters like him
He's just a wimp and super annoying, not everyone likes the crybaby soft boy trope
I loved this movie. idk why, but the chemistry and love between Wade and Ember felt real. Much realer than most characters in kids movies who fall in love. I think them alone and they're interactions are what make me like the movie so much. That and the depiction of intimacy I feel are really really beautiful. (of course the animation and visuals and the city are complete eye candy too)
Same!!! I enjoyed the movie so much because of the romance. I think some of the criticisms on the plot are valid but I also think the romance is so refreshingly real that the story is a compliment to it. It’s a real world situation that strains their relationship.
This is one of my faves to come out this year. Bawled my eyes out at the end, could relate to Ember because I love my Dad more than anything and want to make him proud.
The ending felt.. idk.. but the movie itself leading up to the end was VERY entertaining. The two leads are so sweet together too 🥰
YEAH!!! I loved them a lot, but I feel like they could've had better scenes and better plot line. The two characters' personalities made it feel so real, despite the fact I also felt that they were lacking in good dialogue. I wish a great animating team would make another kind of romance like this but this time making up for Elemental's lacking.
Shrek was a better love story
I can understand that the explanation of why the family left Fire Town felt over-explained instead of just felt through better storytelling. However, we kind of need to be told the dad's bow story because viewers are not yet aware of this fictional fire culture customs. We would understand that the father is disapproving but, how would one know that he is supposed to bow back? I felt the scene was earned because when I saw Ember bow I knew from the father's story it is a sign of respect and acknowledgment to have the person bow back.
It was a fine movie. It just lacked any kind of depth. The breaking traditions message was pretty weak. It was just the the water guy (already forgot his name) telling the fire girl ( Amber I think?) to do what she wants. They could have dug deeper into that. As an immigrant that broke my family’s traditions myself, I know there was a lot more they could have done with this idea. They could have shown strong pushback from the fire girl’s family when they found out she didn’t want to follow their traditions. My family did. And I was often treated like an outcast and a less-than for a long time. They could have made it so that the fire girl was made an outcast and the water guy, who was part of the affluent class, helped her figure out what she wanted to do. Thst was basically my story. I wanted to own my own business. But when my parents found out, I was immediately an outcast, made fun of, and looked down upon. Then I met my mentor who, himself had started his own business and succeeded. And he helped me figure out how to get there. I own a small but thriving web dev business now. And I really like it. But back to the film.
They could have done something along those lines. And, even used that to build up the romance between the two. The romance in this film seems kinda empty and fake. It was just “hey, nice to meet you. Hey, I really love you.” Like, no depth at all.
Such wasted opportunity :(
The big bow was actually helpful to explain to someone like me who might not understand the significance of the father bowing back
It's kind of funny how 24 Frames of Nick tells us how we should feel about the movie telling us how to feel : P
@@MrThaiTuberbro he’s not telling anyone how to feel he just voices his criticisms and thoughts because yknow it’s his job?
@@Deinowharfyeah I don’t think he meant that.
I think it's more that they could have conveyed the importance of it with less narration, like instead of explaining "I turned to bow and he didn't bow back," they could say something like "when we left, I said goodbye but..." and trail off and have the mom or ember finish it off with "but they didn't bow back?" Or something on his face that conveys that things didn't work out the way they were supposed to. It seems like this movie just has an issue with telling instead of showing with expressions or setting. There are a lot of moments that are good that could have been great with just a few more tweaks.
I think they should have shown this scene before and should have said what was happening afterwards
When the lady talked about how she's never seen anyone go almost full purple before in her shop, i really thought ember would go full purple in front of the fire people and be outcast
6:24 I think the point is she didn’t realize she doesn’t want to take over the shop before she meets water boy…unless you have another way of it coming out unconsciously?
Plus, she has the pressure to relieve her father and allow him to retire
10:54 …I feel like it was pretty obvious he liked her ?
The oneyplays guys joked and said it "looked like one of those commercials for gingivitis or mucinex"
And honestly, can't unsee it xD
Everything is subjective. Just cause a youtube guy makes a video on it doesnt mean its fact. For me. This was great movie
Lol don't get mad, the movie was quite basic and boring unfortunately.
@@M_k-zi3tnThey weren't mad lol
@@Cupcake_Royale nah this homie was roiling
0:28 Bro just described half his audience.
I felt every emotion from this movie
i love CLOD
I personally loved Elemental it was a cute love story. Not everything has to be a grand movie, its a simple movie and that is ok. The issue here is that everyone put too much pressure on Elemental because its from Pixar and Disney
Up is a simpler movie and it's amazing. Elemental is arguably a more grand film in terms of visuals and style yet it's nothing compared to a simple tale like Up.
So, yes, movies don't always need to be grand but the do need stories that are actually good.
I feel like there are too many adults expecting complicated and/or dark stories. At the end of the day it IS a complicated movie, not just for adults but also children. There may be children and adults that these messages aren't 'common sense', this film can appeal to both. Adults are used to true heartbreak from media, kids simply can't handle it. They don't distinguish fiction from reality like adults.
I think like a lot of the critisim on new Pixar films are from kids who have grown up and thus expect more.
Fr, and bruh people already throwing hate on it when the movie is not even out yet..
@@CottageDreams232 days ago? Depending on where you’re from, it is out, and it’s on Disney+
@@M_k-zi3tn It also depends on the experience you have before going into the movie, like how I've heard Elemental resonates with a lot of people from immigrant families.
When I was younger, and to this day as an adult, Up bored the absolute hell out of me. The story was good but in my eyes it was just an old man and some kid walking around, with some good tension and action sprinkled in at times. Otherwise kid me would have rather watched Incredibles or smn like Kung Fu Panda.
I feel like Elemental is on that same wavelength, only I personally found the experience more enjoyable.. but even then it's like comparing apples to oranges just because they're both fruits.
Even the love story subverts expectations by making Wade an openly emotional, expressive, and reliable male lead. It's refreshing asf to see the roles flip in that sense, whilst also depicting a healthy dynamic and caring love story. Some people like that, some people don't, but it's all up to presence.
I'll be honest, I was crying within the first 5 minutes. Maybe it had a lot to do with me watching this with my wife- but that opening scene where they imply they had to deliver Ember by themselves- in a new world where they would not have been able to find help- Made me get v emotional.
6:30 Also- I really didn't mind clod. He was fun to watch, and tbh reminded me a bit of myself. He really didn't have a lot of screen time, but It was cute seeing his innocent crush on Ember, and him seemingly not caring/noticing that they are different Elements. The end where he ends up rushing over the fire girl his age made me chuckle- little guy has a type it seems lol. I know there's probably people who took offense to that- I say it's a very easy way to get across that the new gen of elements in this city are more and more open-minded.
Wade being the crybaby felt like a personal attack. I was bawling in that theatre every 10 minutes lmao--
It's certainly not the BEST Pixar movie. Far from top 5. But it's nowhere near the studio's worst, so I really hope people give it the chance. I kinda liked seeing Pixar do a romance centered film. The story definitely will resonate more with some than others. I'll admit that If you're either single or not an immigrant/ married to one, this movie might not hit as close to home. But if the very least you like looking at good animation, this is a okay movie to check out
Something just hit me... Why does these elemental beings have organic eyes?
“It’s better if you just don’t think about it!” - Joy (How Inside Out Should Have Ended)
Something just hit me... Why does these cars have organic eyes?
@@sheriff4593 Will you quit it?
@@sheriff4593Bad comparison, Cars 1 and 2 are some of Pixar's worst films
It looks like the fire people have eyes made of fire to me, but idk about the rest of the elements
lol I saw that monster house video...
Elemental feels like Fast Food for me. It's not the best but aye the taste is okay.
moments like the bow would have been 10x better without the commentary.
hi 24framesofnick
A good rule of thumb. NEVER underrestimate a Pixar movie.
While Elemental was better than I thought it would be, I'm still disappointed over how lacking it was. There were great concepts in there, but everything felt rushed or not developed enough. I agree that the relationship between Wade and Ember was rushed. I had no idea they were even dating until Ember was telling Wade they were over. They were still cute, despite Wade not having much of a personality. The subjects of race and immigration could've/should've been more expanded upon. I liked this way better than Pixar's other more recent movies, but it's nowhere near as impactful as the likes of Ratatouille or Coco. I'm glad people are giving it a chance lately, though.
I think the immigrant aspect of the story falls flat due to the implications of this specific universe. In real life, hate towards people of different race largely comes from stereotypes, ignorance and lack of knowledge.
In here however, fearing other elements and not wanting to be around them feels kind of warranted? I mean, fire REALLY DOES evaporate water. It REALLY DOES burn things. And the other way around aswell - water DOES put out fire. It's not a misconception, even this specific movie showcases it. It's not really unfair for the earth elementals to fear fire when the movie clearly shows us that fire people can burn them down.
I feel like the story would work much better if the narrative presented that, for example, fire people are treated unfairly and actually pose no danger to others. But the movie doesn't do that at all, instead showing many examples of fire people actually being dangerous to others (like Ember's mother setting the doorbell on fire, Ember blowing up and burning Fern Grouchwood etc). The racial implications of this are just really tone deaf.
In real life, racism is based on stereotypes that are true in few cases. People take the bad instances and apply them to everyone of that race. In Elemental, this is what happens but intensified.
Every racist thinks their hate is warranted because someone of another race hurt them or someone of their race at some point. It's not true that everyone is harmless because people can harm each other. With racism, racists just attribute harm to others only. We can also help each other and learn and build a better world together. Same as the elements in the movie.
You mean scenes like them finding out that Fire and Water can touch without killing each other, or that scene at the third act where we’re reminded of the cycle of water? And that other scene where Clod is seen giving flowers to that fire girl?
@@thirdeye9698 True, there are, in my opinion, issues with consistency here. They can touch each other, but fire still burns things. Like the Fern Grouchwood scene I mentioned. Water is one thing, but buildings and the nature/tree folk is a whole other can of worms.
Also in that scene where Clod gives Ember a flower, she burns it, so not sure what you mean by that.
@marchosiasu9700 the Earth people are earth, not plants. Based on Clod and Fern, it looks like their "hair" grows back pretty quickly since Clod grew flowers on demand basocally and Fern had all of his hair and mustache back by the end of the movie.
In the real world forests can grow back better after a fire. There are wildflowers and trees whose seeds are only able to sprout after a fire. Wildfires are part of a natural cycle. We humans just messed it up with our meddling. There are also rocks and minerals that form with heat. It would have been cool if the earth guy on the train had been seen later with bigger, better plants growing than just the grass that got burned. Misconceptions and fear keep people apart. Reaching out and learning about each other can lead to new discoveries.
@@marchosiasu9700from what I’ve seen, the fire people only burns things when they’re not in controlled of their fire or it done on purpose. There were many objects the fire people held, that didn’t burnt off because they were in control of their fire. Also earth people aren’t really affect by fire. Because the rock and earth itself is them, the plants that come out of them are just hair. That’s why the fern grouchwood guy wasn’t screaming his mind off from just being burnt. To them, fire is nothing more than an inconvenience.
Well i liked the movie. The romance between the two characters was cute. Wade was a really good charcter imo. It wasnt anything ground-breaking, but not every fipm needs to be
This was a great movie. For me, it’s a 9/10. 🔥❤️💧
When you mentioned about Wade and Bernie not having a conversation. It’s not about them (they did had there time in the movie). It’s about Amber. When you mentioned that Amber does not have a goal or what she want’s todo. In the movie it’s in development, she’s finding what she enjoys.
This movie is great, cute, and clever like any other Pixar film. This is not as great as Wall-E, but I think it’s a little tiny better than Inside Out
Wade is Ember's Manic Pixie Dream Boy 😂
i liked this movie!!! i just felt like wade and ember’s relationship was overall lacking. i didn’t feel their chemistry, to me it felt that ember, all of a sudden, was like, “oh i love you!”. i also don’t personally like when movies chalk up the relationship growth into a montage of various dates, it’s very hard to connect to
I didnt mind clod. Lol.
I dont think modern Disney writers want any villian who can just flex their evil, they're all just boring nothing good people losing their way for about 5 minutes who just need a hug
You are so much focused on non specific things it hinders your thoughts.
1: the mother never hated water people.
2: why would seeing the rest of the flood getting cleared be any help with the plot of the movie.
3: the movie is NOT about the immigration. It’s about fitting in and being who you are instead of what others see you as/want you to be.
If you stop having a one string mindset maybe you’d understand the approach
While Pixar isn’t 100% in the clear just yet, I’m glad Elemental did well and it makes me feel like their future is starting to look brighter, promising, and interesting. I doubt they’ll ever be the same as their glory days, but to say that they completely lost their footing is an overstatement. Plus who knows after all of their problems are sorted out we might get something even better.
Did you mean overstatement? Unless you think they tripped and fell down the metaphorical mountain into an abyss.
@@marshmallowmountains4636 Yeah you're right I'll fixed that
I actually went to the theater to see it with my boyfriend as a 2nd date,, we only watched it cause we didnt want to Ruby Gillman and nothing was showing for 2 more hours. There were 32 seats in the theater and only 4 other people watching with us.
I was sceptical - he didnt care too much but we both ended up liking it. Probably won't pay to watch it again but it was a nice a movie imo.
Though i LOVED the part where Wade's mom brings up the glass job thing after seeing her remake the vase(?). She doesnt care about the element difference, or background, she just saw talent and went "you could do something really cool with it if you wanted, lmk". Its so sweet
I don't hate this Movie, I really liked it but the Flaws really hurt it on an emotional level that's been so well excuted in their old movies. I appreciate the love story but they could've done better with the immigration point and the Conclusion that does feel earned
I did shed a tear when Ember was dancing with Wade because it was a pretty sweet moment 😢
This Movie could be so much because there is love & passion here 💝
From the director himself going thru these events irl
It's just holds back and the conflict is just solved immediately
I really respect your opinion ,and I like how you expressed yourself in general (I do agree on some of your points). However, as a genuine fan of the film ,and without trying to sound rude, I think you need to give this movie another chance and watch it with a different perspective. The movie shows constantly how they’re falling in love and how their relationship works, in both direct and subtle ways. To put it in a romantic way, he falls in love with her light and she falls in love how she shines through him. They do show signs of attraction before and during the hot air balloon scene ,and they don't fall in love in that moment. The movie, like you said, shows more the tension they have. The “tester” scene isn’t the only moment they show they’re a couple. He says in other moments how she is special and inspiring to him and how he wants to be with her. She sees herself reflected on him (literally) a couple of times, as an allegory of a mirror, because that’s his main role in their relationship for her to appreciate herself more and know herself better. The moment at the beach where they’re watching the sunset and the sun touches the sea (fire touches water) is an allegory of their relationship.
The movie shows a couple of moments where water people mistreat the father and his wife just because of their element. That's why he hates water. You’re right, we never see how the dad stops hating on Wade ,but in reality it’s because he never hated him, he just hate the version he thought of how Wade was. After seeing how he sacrificed himself for his daughter and the blue flame and how her daughter expressed about him, he understood everything. I understand you wanted a different approach to solve this issue ,but I see it as how sometimes that’s how it happens in real life. You show the people that don’t like you, yet they don’t really know you how you are through your actions. To me, they didn’t “skip” anything. There just wasn't the need of a talk.
I even think Clod is necessary because it helps us to see that side of Ember (looking for a partner side and her relationship with other elements and the rest of the city in general) before the conflict starts, even if it is with the comic relief character.
As for the plot point of Ember discovering her real dream, to me it works because the focus isn’t in what the real dream is, the focus is Ember realizing her dream isn’t her family's store and the guilt she has for that. Who knows if she's going to end up doing glass work. What matters is that she discovers she wants to try that and be out there ,but how she fears how those things will disappoint her dad. And how she didn’t know that before? She never doubted her supposed dream, until Wade comes to her life and changes her perspective.
I know I probably won't change your opinion on this movie (heck, I don't know if you’re going to read this 😅). I just wanted to share my thoughts here, because like you, I care about this film and about Pixar (and because I have nothing better to do 😃).
I know I am in the minority but I consider this film to be one of the best from the studio. I hope with time more people watch it and appreciate it ❤
Wonderfully written! After I myself watched it, I was surprised by how decent it was, despite what was said about it.
And when the video was talking about how Ember got stressed out by "small" things: bruh, I worked with customers and I got worked up alongside Ember at her customers xD.
I was very pleasantly surprised by how Ember's and Wade's relationship developed. It didn't feel forced, and you can see many moments when they admired each other and heard each other. Yes, it was wrong of Wade to still deliver the audit of her dad's shop, but he was very sympathetic towards her and tried his best to help her keep the business open.
And when the video was saying how the scene of Ember's parents leaving their hometown is not 'making a connection with audience' and 'is lame' -> DUDE. I come from a family that also had to leave everything behind them, and also without 100% approval from their own parents. Lo and behold, I as part of an audience made a conncetion! Arrrrrgh, semi frustrated at many videos like these.
This is a thoughtful breakdown that enhances my appreciation for Elemental all the more. And my comment is even longer than yours, so don't worry. I'm obsessed too. If you read this, OMG ಥ_ಥ
I'm with you on everything you said. Elemental DOES have good themes and "show don't tell" moments, but TELLING is the point! "Say how you feel" is the whole lesson, so idek how Nick has a problem with the exposition the characters give. If not for Wade explaining why he tried to shut down her shop, and Ember explaining why she tried to stop him, they wouldn't even have decided to help each other, much less hang out. When Cinder explains why they left their homeland, when Bernie explains how important being accepted is to him thanks to his shitty father? This is HUGE info for Ember and it makes her feel that much guiltier for even thinking about disregarding all her father's hard work when she should have been ready to take over years ago, just to chase a dream making glass in a faraway city, with a rich kid water guy. It's why she blows up so hard after they touch.
Even the love test scene is meaningful; in fact, this scene is there to SHOW not TELL something. And it's not whether or not they're in love, which can be GATHERED. When he lifts up his shirt and stands in front of her, he's reflecting her light onto the incense. "Wade reflects Ember's light" is the recurring motif between them that completely sums up their dynamic, on full display for Ember's mom to see. Wade is a catalyst through which Ember's inner fire, the light inside her that he loves, can shine.
It happens the first time on the train in the dark. The back of his watery head mirrors her own fiery face back at her when she catches up to him. This is unusual to her. At City Hall when he sends the tickets to processing, as she pleads in earnest, her light shines through him into the room, and in awe he turns around. And on the beach as she admits her turmoil and starts withering away, she's still brightly reflecting off of him. What to Ember is a weak moment, is to Wade a display of true emotion that he finds beautiful. The glass she makes that night also reflects her light back at herself, as her art pieces are representations of her inner self. And it happens when they play the crying game and Wade pretty much tells her he wants to be with her. And again when he's freaking dying, and she says that she loves him...
Also am I wrong, does the water leaking and the broken doors represent their emotions? Wade cries a flood at the drop of a hat, he just leaks into people's lives, pours his heart out, and connects with them by being emotionally honest. Ember is unable to do this, sealing everything behind neglected doors and denying how she feels, with herself, with Wade, with her dad. So she finds it hard to connect. But the way they FIX the doors TOGETHER is symbolic of their relationship. She used to explode in anger under pressure, while her true emotions-- resentment over her burden, guilt over her parents' hard work going to waste, worry over losing their approval-- were unknown even to her. But the sandbags she put up in her mind were swept away by a wave of Wade's unconditional love and support, and he kept trying to break down her doors to show her what was inside herself. The glowing glass door she makes to fix the second leak shines in the sun as the water rushes behind it. It is indicative of the renewed expressiveness she's felt since being with Wade, how all he needs to do is be there with her, and love her, and her beautiful inner self comes out.
But even tempered glass can't withstand the strain she's under. Wade knows this and shows up at her ceremony to stop her from having to reluctantly live a life she doesn't want. He kinda destroys everything Ember was trying to hold in place by just saying out loud how they both feel about each other. And the dam breaks again and a flood rushes in. And Wade is more than happy to sacrifice himself for her in that room, just like how her own parents sacrificed everything for the chance to give her, before she had even been BORN, a better life; just like how she was sacrificing her own happiness for them. I think the flood was not a "setpiece", it was warranted, not only within the context of a water-centric city that is unaccommodating to fire, but thematically. It circles back to the last disaster Ember's parents experienced, when they lost all but a sliver of the Blue Flame the first time; the elements ( ಠ‿
@@weirdyyy006 Yeah, I got frustrated too 😂, that’s why I made such a long comment, to take out all of that. Glad to know you enjoyed the movie a lot 😄
@@maynot We hyperfans have to stand together 😂🙌
I didn’t thought about the dam plot in that way before ,but you know what? That’s a really awesome take you have. It really fits everything you say with what happens. Thank you! Now I love this movie more ❤️
For me, that’s what makes this movie so great, it’s full of all these details and nuances in what, on the surface, is a simple story.
Whenever I can, I will hear the director's commentary. I'm really interested in everything he has to say 😅 and perhaps he will tell even more details about the film.
@@eduardomorales4324 yeah, ikwym! Your comment woke me up bro, when i wrote that I got all in the zone bc of you.
Have you read the novelization for this movie? I don't know where to find it but I've heard that it fleshes out Wade's backstory with his father, as well as Ember's artistic side, and doesn't that sound splendiferous? There's so much about this movie and this world I would have liked to see. I want to know if they have cellphones, for instance. Did they exchange contacts? I want to see Wade's place! We only saw his mom's house! It's like, why do I care sooo much 🤦🥺🔥💧
The crazy thing is I kind of want Elemental to get a sequel or more content because there are a lot of potential and interesting ideas for the story to continue forward. Which does give me hope for the future of Pixar.
I even had an idea for the sequel where both Ember and Wade decide to go back to visit their parents in Element City, but time has changed, and they haven't seen them for so long that they feel a bit disconnected from them and the similar situation can be said for their parent, while they would be a lot more friendly and maybe even visit each other they also a bit distance as well especially with the times changing and society giving them new influences. I even had this idea for the villains of the story first starting off as a typical one-off random couple but as the story goes on Ember and Wade realize how toxic they are to themselves, their own relatives, and others. Once they know their backstory they realize the couple is actually Clod’s parents and they are trying to find Clod, who was taken far away as a baby by a relative or someone in order to escape the abusive relationship. Realizing this, Wade and Ember decided to make sure they never met Clod again.
I will say, tje movie was better than I expected.
This must be the most overhated film of 2023.
It only gets hate because its on the umbrella of toxic Disney 2023.
Don’t you mean it’s on the Disney 2023 toxic gossip train?
Just because a lot of people don’t like the movie doesn’t mean it’s only because it’s under the Disney brand. People are just more picky about the stuff they want to watch, especially with movie prices rising. So when a person goes to a movie, pays $40 on tickets and food, just to find the movie wasn’t worth it to them, leads to mass disappointment.
It’s okay if you liked the movie, but you can’t expect everyone else to have the same opinion. Even if a lot of people don’t like the movie, it’s not because it’s overhated, it’s because the majority simply hold the opinion that the movie wasn’t good.
I, myself, was originally not interested in the movie because of the animation style. With all the other animated movies having a more interesting art style, like Mutant Mayhem and ATSV, I was more inclined to watch their movies because it didn’t seem generic. Both Elemental and Teenage Kraken were movies I had no desire to see simply because of how it was presented, leading me to retract to the previous point about people being more picky where they spend their time. I feel like if Disney took more risks and diversified their animation a little bit more, they’d gain some of their popularity back or at least bring a larger initial audience.
But we’re in a new age and with people seeing that Elemental cost more than ATSV and Mutant Mayhem combined, while still maintaining graphics that we’ve basically seen from previous years and doing nothing interesting, they’re not gonna bother seeing it. And if they do, you can’t stop them from being upset their expectants weren’t met. Good animation and good story matter. This is why we’re having strike in the industry as we speak.
Ngl i really love the movie. My favourite character is wade
@@silvertrees6421you’re absolutely right!!!
As someone who is very picky with my movies, I don’t want to pay money to see some poorly advertised, simple plot movie in theatres.
The only way I watched this movie is on Disney+ because I wanted to enjoy it without spending as much money, but I still didn’t like it!
I think fans of unpopular films nowadays are trying to hard to assume the worst of those who dislike what they enjoy. I’m a fan of Malignant, a widely hated horror movie since it’s release, and I don’t mind that people hate it!
If I enjoy it, it’s for me, and if I don’t, it’s not for me. Everyone should be allowed to share their thoughts and analyses without being shamed or judged for “not getting it”.
Even badly written, badly acted and badly filmed movies can be enjoyable. Watching garbage can be fun! I don’t see the issue people have nowadays with disliking or enjoying certain things, it’s really bizarre!
I adore the visuals of this movie, but the writing was not "Disney-Pixar quality". Like, if this was made by a small studio, I would understand, but the two animation power houses?? I don't expect that from them tbh, it's like their best writers just walked out or something (cough cough pay your writers cough).
I can feel the passion in this movie though, and I surprisingly cried by the end of the movie because I can relate with the two main characters, seeing that me and my fiance are an interracial couple from different countries. But outside of the characters' love and life struggles, the story can be subpar at times. It could've been great if they could just take one more step forward.
But overall, it's an enjoyable movie to watch.
I think I was predisposed to hate this movie because 1. Saw too many ads for it 2. I’ve worked on projects with themes surrounding elements and this just felt so basic compared to those
In conclusion ads suck and I have a superiority complex bye
I think that the whole purpose of ember not realising she wants to run the shop is supposed to be like how when you grow up or when you go to college, you’re sure that you want to do one thing, but as you study into it more you may find interest in another thing. It comes with growing up. And as she grows she feels like her dad only wanted her to run the shop and wouldn’t support her if she wanted to do something else.
Also I think the explaining stuff is quite accurate to immigrant parents. My boyfriend’s dad will often tell him about his past just randomly or in almost any conversation. Not that that’s a bad thing of course.
I wanted to like this movie so badly. As soon as Wade was introduced I was put off, he's so unlikable. I get that he's water but they could've been more subtle with him being emotional and shown it more as his strength rather than a cheap gag having him cry every two seconds. I HATED the scene where he interrupts the ceremony and outs her. It just makes him seem selfish, out of touch, and he clearly doesn't understand Ember and what's important to her. It contradicts all his adoration for her because we can see he clearly doesn't know her like he thinks he does. But NOTHING pissed me off like the fake dying scene. They almost got me, and then he's magically brought back because she makes him cry... great.
In terms of design I hate how the characters look, I hate their outfits and I hate how they often look out of place in contrast to the seemingly more realistic looking animation around them. I'm disappointed because this could've been great.
i can't decide what i genuinely want more. wades water house or ken's mojo dojo casa house
YES??
I’m not gonna see this. I’m just gonna keep on rewatching and supporting Spiderverse merch
Sorry but thump down for your review, this movie wasnt just fine, it is a masterpiece, i have watched it 9 times already, and every time it hit, the romance felt reel not just another generics one, this movie deserved the price, specifically when it did reach the right target, as a child of first generation of immigrant parents who came to a new country with nothing and sacrifice their live to give me a better life, this movie really touched me, I would forever love this movie, I entourage people to watch it and also because WADE isnt boring???!! Wth his character is so damn refreshing, you can asks the ladies, we all rule for him!
Nah, I loved this movie. BOTH Wade and Ember are very memorable with their own personalities and past/current challenges. For a romance story based on elements, with two characters who seem to be in their early 20s, I related to it a lot and absolutely enjoyed every second of it.
I for one think it’s good that this movie didn’t try to commit too much on the immigration and racists themes of this world. We already saw that with Zootopia. And don’t get me wrong, Zootopia is a much better film, but i believe this film simply focuses on characters, rather then fleshing out this world. It’s beautiful and maybe it should have been more thoroughly explored, but i’m sorry Zootopia kinda meet them to the punchline. But this movie is also just a beautiful romantic story and doesn’t try to remove from being the core message of this film. It’s completely underrated, and it should deserve a lot more love then it initially did. :/
I really liked this movie. Not everything needs to be dissected like Marvel’s Phase 4
from what i can see, you sound like you hate the romance in this movie while I think its charming. the reason ember's dad accepts wade is the fact he saved his daughter and sacrificed himself. wade and ember's dad doesnt need to speak with eachoter to accept each other, if someone saves the person you love the most, you'd accept them in your too so I also disagree with how you viewed with that scene.
You clever son of a gun using the soundtrack from the ps3 game Heavy Rain
I got to be honest I don't agree with pretty much everything that, but obviously I'm going to respect your opinion cuz you do have some good points, but I didn't notice any of the issues you brought up and personally really like the movie I guess we just take it differently 😊
i like wade sm he's my spirit animal
i have words
Sometimes a simple and heartfelt story is enough. I'm usually overly critical of movies (esp romances) but found thus really sweet. You can really feel the creator's lived experiences and passion in this.
Agree with most of the negative points you pointed out, but I do think there is subtlety shown regarding Wade and Ember's feelings for each other. Multiple scenes show how they were in awe of what the other was capable of despite their differences. I feel like their love story is quite well-fleshed out and the pacing of the romance worked for me.
when the problem with the movie is that it's too subtle lmao
The film is bad because it has subtext in a world where the internet doesn't allow subtext without getting confused.
I think this movie was just bad.
I think ember, her family and their backstory was very beautiful, and just that alone was enough to create a very compelling story! She had a lot to learn about managing her feelings, listening to herself, appreciating her desires, and in the end it just feels like another man came in and told her what she actually wanted. (Sounds alot like her dad since they insisted on just throwing him under the bus). Actually, wade had originally went OUT of his way to get the shop shut down, even though he wasn't even supposed to be inspecting HER shop it was an accident, still decided too. That is a**hole behavior, he could have very well just ignored the violations, and been more concerned about why tf he ended up there in the first place. But instead, she CHASES HIM, he gets them almost shut down, just for him to finally listen and then help her fix it. That should NOT be why she falls for him, because she always feeling like she is making mistakes, ruining things for her parents to fix, and so when once again she creates this situation that has to be fixed, of f***ing course she is going to fall for the man who isn't mad at her about her mistakes, sympathizes, and helps her fix it. She doesn't see his mistake in the first place, she only sees how she messed up and how he doesn't mind to help. (MAY I PLEASE POINT OUT, her dad was never harsh on her about her outbursts, he was always very patient with her. She LOVES her dad, and if anything I feel like she just has daddy issues that Wade easily plays into). Falling in love with Wade just all in all felt very out of place. We were presented with ember's anger being the main issue, and then in the end she doesn't actually find a answer for herself and her anger. She just moves into a new life, in the honeymoon stage of a "new love", acting like she isn't still going to be angry because "love cures all" right? Wade just gives her an, ONE, idea outside of what she knows for her future and she falls for it. She didn't know any better, she didn't even get a chance to figure things out outside of what he was telling her she could try. Ill give him this, it's definitely not bad what he suggested, and the lifestyle he is helping her accomplish, but I'm trying to explain how her first issues were never actually solved. There's a lot more I could talk about but I have to poo
That brother movie about their dead dad was a million times better than this one
I mostly agree, except the stuff about Wade. I think he's absolutely adorable and likeable and I enjoyed watching him
I, respectfully, disagree with.. basically everything. I loved Ember and Wade as characters. I found their quiet romance to be extremely realistic, and they both have subtle arcs and grow and learn from each other. Ember learns to be open and honest about what she is feeling and Wade learns to be assertive when it’s important, instead of just always going with the flow and letting things pass him by.
I feel like the movie had potential to be amazing. Like, having 2 elements (Fire and Water) to be at war. And then having the two main characters (Ember and Wade) make peace with both kingdoms. Or something more exiting then original movie. However, I do find the movie to be pretty good actually. (like 7.2/10) And it’s certainly a lot better than most modern Disney movies. (after 2022 that is) So I don’t mind it existing.
I watched elemental.
😊
I really like the movie, imo wade made ember realize that she didnt like running his dad's shop and encouraging her to tell her father her true feelings, being honest to your love ones, seeing amber feel Trapped, made wade feel "confused" onto why she doesnt follow her own heart and wanted to do whatever SHE wants, wade says "why does ANYONE get to tell you what to do in your life".
I know that bernie's father didnt give the bok sou vow, as an asian teenager i know the feeling of "if u dont do what we want you get dissowned", bernie is different; he accepts that his daughter didnt want to run the shop.
Overall they overcome troubles together and generally, wade does genuienly help her and make her feelings true, without the hot air balloon scene where wade says "maybe your temper is saying something that you dont want": basically everything wade says made contact on ember's heart.
10/10 imo ❤
I don’t agree on clod. I feel like people hate him BECAUSE of Disney’s stupid marketing choices. He was fine, his voice want annoying, he was actually pretty soft spoken
Im not a smart guy but i dont think he likes clod
Summary: you had a elemental breakdown
Didn't hate this movie as much as I thought I was going to (ironically, all thanks to assumptions made with Disney's modern storytelling in mind that the movie thankfully did not incorporate), but it wasn't mindblowing or a masterpiece on par with some recent animations like Puss in Boots TLW.
The racism metaphor doesn't work. Just plain does not work. It garners no sympathy and makes the fire elements look like conceited jerks. The easiest way to have remedied this was to have them acknowledge that they are by nature destructive and self-segregate by choice; or they should have wore fire-protective suits when they try to enter spaces meant for other elements, but still be turned way. This would serve as a great visual metaphor for the fire elements attempting to integrate with the greater society, but are still seen as an "other".
And the racism metaphor doesn't work because we don't see any racism that isn't actually warranted (e.g., not allowed to rent a place made out of fire because they will burn it down. They even included a "comical" scene where Ember's mom sets the doorbell on fire, which undermines their entire message of racism). In cases where they _could have_ shown unwarranted racism, like when Ember and Wade go on a date, it doesn't happen. No dirty looks. No confrontations about element mixing. No being thrown out of establishments. Nobody bats an eye seeing these two different elements attempt to mix in public.
It's a movie without focus (the movie doesn't have an overall narrative plot, but rather 3 B plots that just flow into each other). It was designed by committee and we all see it. The racism without racism is definitely a consequence of conflicting writers. It's like having a war flashback without anyone having guns or wearing military uniforms, because one writer wanted that character to have a military background, but another writer objected to showing guns or anything military related because she's anti-gun and hates the military.
Really, the only good parts are the chemistry between Wade and Ember, and the respectful nature of Ember and her dad; and that's only because they aren't done in the stereotypical Disney way. Ember and her dad isn't generational trauma like Disney loves, and is simply an internal struggle for Ember because she loves her dad so much and wants to do right by him, whereas he's completely unaware that she has any doubt about wanting the store. If this were done Disney style, Ember would be forced to take on this store that has been in the family for generations, and her dad also hates it and gave up his dreams to manage it because his dad made him do it.
Ember and Wade are "cute" together, almost to the point of super sappy. No complaints, as having a genuine relationship seems to be a thing that Disney doesn't do anymore. This is also why Koreans seem to love it, as K-dramas are so similar.
"Like wow!
Mwahhh, gorgeous!"
Hahaha, that killed me. 🤣
Idk y ppl say it's bad its rly good they should make a 2
Oh god no, they should move on to more interesting and better things
i wanna hug her dad because he looks so chubby and squishy and cute but i would burn alive if i tried 😮
I heard a rumor floating around that the animators were going to go on strike and that's the reason why Disney so poorly advertised its newest animated movie.
Could just be conspiracy though.
I heard someone said that there is a lawsuit against Disney saying that that lied about their financial records and one of those included Elemental
Probably more because of the writer's strike since I'm pretty sure the animators' union can't go on strike until next year(?)
I liked the love story, very classic rom-com with a twist of being literal elemental beings who happen to be polar opposites of each other. “We come from 2 different worlds,” that sorta thing. I also really loved the obvious cultural appreciation. But honestly what really got me was the soundtrack, it just did such a good job of making you feel like you were in a different world, but one that’s still close to home, very feel-good. I can meditate to this shit. And it went very well with the visuals, the movie is just so colorful and very aesthetically pleasing.
The movie is not without its flaws, but I will definitely watch again many more times without getting tired of it.🥰