“Harry Potter is the only book that deals with what it’s like to grow up in poverty”. Meanwhile, people walking by the grave of Charles Dickens can hear a muffled scream.
The problem is that that's an old-timey book written in old-timey language and characters nobody in this modern society can seriously relate to. In 50 years, people won't relate to Harry Potter anymore, either.
@@lynthIf you genuinely think people are incapable of relating to old books, I'm certain you've either only ever read bad books or are simply incapable of relating to other human beings. There are experiences, and emotions that human beings will always be able to connect with, no matter the time. Also, still doesn't change that depictions of poverty have been done countless times before Harry Potter. They've been done infinitely better as while, because Harry Potter barely even depicts poverty, and it has practically nothing to say about it. P. S. "old-timey language"? I guess old books can be a little confusing sometimes but it's really not that bad.
@@lynth This is a joke, right? People are out here empathizing with wierdos who think showing your right hand is immodest and live in a world where the grass hides from you when you go by on your giant crab. But, hell, if you had to empathize with an orphan from industrial england.
@@SehnsuchtYT "Tintin in Congo", which had to be revised multiple times for being seen as staggeringly racist even at time of publishing, would like to disagree
Something that has truly baffled me about the HP fans is the use of muggle as an actual, real-world slur against people who don't like the series. It's just weird on so many levels, but the funniest part is that the person using the slur against you is also by definition, a muggle themselves.
Harry Potter doesn't tell you to reject authority, it tells you to make very sure you've chosen the right authority (Dumbledore) and then blindly trust it
Edit:I made this quite long I apologise! Dumbledore was never an authority though he was someone who tried and realised that he could not be.He disagreed to become Minister of Magic despite how many times he was asked to consider and he himself knew nothing of the DA. We are later seen why Dumbledore did not want to be part of an authority and the flaws of Dumbledore,he was a genius but he himself was also a foolish person. We also see him get criticised many times not just by Snape but by Harry as well.He was never meant to be a good person rather a grey character who had genuine genius with a not so good past.
@@Mialikesthings Dumbledore was the headmaster of the school Harry went to. He might not have been a political leader but he was absolutely an authority.
@@MacrocheniaYet this person is stating that they blindly trusted Dumbledore which might of been the case for them in the 6 books but in the 7 we see that even Dumbledore had flaws and was not to be blindly trusted which is not exactly what the person is saying here.
@@Mialikesthings people say this a lot but I don't really think it's true. Revealing dumbledore's flaws in book 7, is something I like a lot and in fact I like him more for it - he's probably my favorite character in Harry Potter. But there's still a lot of times in that story where, while they doubt Dumbledore a lot and Ron for example gives up on the quest because he thinks Dumbledore didn't know what he was playing at, all of those doubts turn out to have in the end neen a mistake because doing what Dumbledore tasked them with actually was for the best in the end, every single time
@@AnythingMachine Each to their own interpretation I guess.When I talk about Dumbledore himself being flawed I’m specifically mentioning his past when he started believing in the ‘greater of good’ at hock with Grindelwald.
I just about choked when the bit about being the first series to address class was something someone actually said. I mean, if they were serious about their Harry Potter references, they would know that one of Daniel Radcliffe's roles before Harry Potter was in an adaptation of David Copperfield, and if that doesn't address class I don't know what does.
Like that guy what does the magic? What's he got to do with class? Niiiiice try buddy. If you read more, maybe you coulda come up with a reference that makes sense 😂
Thank you, yes! First thing I thought was.... Um... Dickens.... Hello... I'm a massive HP fan, but I read primarily Victorian literature. There's so many people who have done that before in classic books... I was baffled that this was a real tweet... David Copperfield is one of my all time favorites, as is Dickens himself.
@@TheDanishGuyReviews I did... You can be a HP fan and still read and understand high-brow literature... We do not all act like the example in the video. I've been an HP fan since the beginning, but am also a heavy reader of classics like Dickens, Poe, the Brontës, Faulkner, Hawthorne, Elliot, Doyle, Greek literature, Shakespeare, the list goes on. My bookshelves are overflowing with the stuff, as well as a massive HP book collection.
I can think of maybe 4 times the Weasley poverty was brought up, and Ron only addresses it directly once. The are never shown to want for food. In fact, Deathly Hallows has Harry mention how Ron eats so well that he's spoiled by it. Harry eats worse than the Weasleys in the non-magical world, actually. Other than hand-me-downs, which could happen to any family, poverty doesn't directly affect them. Even Ron's wand, the only essential I've noticed, being a hand-me-down is fixed by the windfall of Arthur winning that company raffle in PoA. And then the Weasley twins open up their joke shop, and seeing how beloved it is, I think they're in clear moneywise going forward. (To say nothing of how only Ron, Ginny, and Molly don't have jobs near the end of the series. That many employed people should let them be able to save up some more, if not move them out of poverty altogether.)
@@giordanodsouza9563you don't have to be poor to need funding to open a shop. Unless you're rich or been saving money for years, everyone needs at least a little funding to open a business
Have we read the same series? The Weasleys' poverty is brought up _regularly_ both directly and indirectly. They're not poor to the point of starvation (and nobody has ever argued that they are); it drives some of the family's main conflict over the course of the series.
That seems a fair assestment, but it is strange that the first and maybe only thing Malfoy knew about the Weasleys was something like (I do not recall it exactly) "they have more children than they can take care of". Maybe the Weasleys attract attention for the number of children or maybe it is just a matter of a rich guy (more than that, an aristocrat) looking down on the not-so-well-off, but it is weird how their lack of means seems to be the Weasley defining trait for Malfoy.
When I was in high school, I tried explaining Fullmetal Alchemist to a classmate. The second I mentioned the existence of the philosopher's stone as a story element, they claimed that it was ripping off Harry Potter and refused to listen any further. They legit thought that the philosopher's stone was a concept that Rowling invented and refused to listen to me any more. And if you know anything about Fullmetal Alchemist, you'll know that it's NOTHING like Harry Potter!
This guy is really good at car crash dialogue. A: Hello I'm discussing serious topic B: I have a buffoonish opinion A: *disbelief* Idk why that structure works on me so well but it pretty much always manages to get a laugh out of me.
God, this is cathartic as hell. I live in Britain so it's basically illegal to say Harry Potter is overrated or retreading old ground. Heaven forbid you actually dislike the series.
@@celisewillis I mean Britain is extremely defensive about any pop culture that keeps it relevant, and seeing as Doctor Who and Sherlock Holmes are both ancient (and the latter has better adaptations done by Americans rather than the British modern twist adaptation the BBC coughed out) Harry Potter has gained a pseudo-protected status here in the UK.
@@MattJDave I noticed that every British or even mixed production European film from 1990 that I see has at least half the cast that were in Harry Potter, like from EVERY named role from In Bruges to my fav Jane Austen adaptation having Snape and Umbridge. The only more prolific series is Bond, like I was watching King's Man and trying to guess which of the two the leads were in... SO Rasputin was in Deathly Hallows and the girl was in Quantum of Solace... Ralph Fiennes is M and Voldemort, so in BOTH. This is ridiculous! XD
@@KasumiRINA Ye, it's basically been a career golden ticket for them in British productions. Good for the actors, but it still astounds me that of all the British book series to turn the writer into a billionaire, it was the mediocre coming of age story set in a wizarding world that feels paper thin in regions beyond one Scottish boarding school.
I did think of one possible unique aspect of HP that led to its worldwide popularity: the adult character’s lives were portrayed as equally magical and interesting as the children’s lives. In many children’s/YA fantasy books, the only paths available to characters post-childhood seem to be “noble” or “peasant” unless they’re some kind of chosen one. But in HP, they show a bunch of different magical careers that adults pursue. It felt like it promised a whole world that you could “realistically” live in (as long as you got your letter) at any level of society. This is just my take, and I would legitimately love to read any other series that does something similar.
I'll admit I was a die hard Harry Potter fan for most of my life and didn't start seriously reading other authors until a couple years back. I still love HP, but there's so much good stuff out there.
And the writing in HP really isn't that good, especially in the first few books. A lot of the characters are fairly two-dimensional. There are some huge plot holes, contrivances, and conveniences. I utterly love the HP series despite these things but it is very very flawed. I too didn't realise just how flawed it was until I started reading other things.
It's okay to like Harry Potter as an adult. Or any children's literature. Most children's literature deals in themes and concepts that remain relevant our entire lives, even if they're simplified down to a level kids can digest. Just don't make your entire personality AS AN ADULT, and try occasionally reading something that's actually up to your level.
Don't worry, General Alcazar will save the day in San Theodoros, along with his friends Tintin, Captain Haddock, Professor Calculus, and the greatest Interpol detectives Thomson and Thompson...
I remember watching footage of various protests and riots and theres also a few dozen that carries a sign around thats quoting stuff from Harry Potter.
I am here to remind everyone that the real San Theodoros was overtaken by a harry, ron and hermione like trio of adults from Belgium helping a friend replace a dictator which ended up not changing the country much at all… came for the silly references, stayed for the great hidden ones. This sir, is a clever video.
She prefaced that by saying it "seemed a lively kid’s fantasy crossed with a ‘school novel’, good fare for its age group" which I stand by. I think it deserved to be a minor success, but I'm baffled by the scale of its popularity.
"One piece of media that i can absolutely adore..." At least yours is a well known series. My one piece of media is an obscure Australian kids show from thirty years ago.
Kinda crazy how well this describes my experience with a specific anime I watched a while ago...glad to have moved on since then! But for several years my mind would connect almost anything to it...this video does a good job showing that mindless dedication to a fictional story in this regard is not healthy...even with all the excuses they are at the end of the day just that...excuses! :O
@@Kromiball No its Dio! :P I actually haven't watched Jojo but given how meme centric the show (a lot of memes have come out of it...tho I am aware most of them are from part 4) is I wouldn't be surprised if that was a common thing among the fanbase. The show I was talking about was TTGL. Given that the show has both pro and anti religious messaging and that almost every piece of iconography is designed in a way to make it easy to project onto (aka autism)...on top of being a well executed and written hero's journey story with lots of thematic density (stuff early on both foreshadows and gets built upon later...making the theme of the story feel like a loop in a sense)...well yeah...makes it very easy to go "oh that's like that one part/scene/idea in TTGL!" I actually have not watched any anime at all as of late...but I get the feeling Jojo is something I should avoid (partially due to your guess I'd say)...just a feeling tho! lol :P
Imo there's nothing wrong with connecting things to stories; after all, fiction is a tool for understanding and navigating the world around us, and takes influence from real life events and people. The problem comes if you fail to understand when it's not appropriate to tell everybody how something is just like Harry Potter.
@@debleb166 I agree with the general sentiment of what your saying. (As I myself like getting in depth with lots of media/stories) But I still stand by the idea that being too obsessed is actually an issue. When your fascination with a story gets so meta that it loops around into being a self justifying prophecy. When this happens you start walking a very thin tight rope where you are in danger of subconsciously assuming the story itself to be more real than reality itself! And I should clarify...that last sentence isn't even necessarily untrue! We view life as a set of stories all the time...they are in a sense more real than real life. So perhaps...after writing all this out just now...the issue lies more with the obsession rather than the engagement itself. Again...when you start framing all of reality towards one story...you start to get mad at reality for really stupid reasons (and you'll annoy people by bringing it up a lot...as you admitted). Part of what drives this behavior is that you believe in the story so much that you feel that any person would benefit from bearing witness to it even if they don't like it (Example: "You haven't watched Harry Potter?! WHAT? Your life is like...literately invalid if you don't! We're watching it asap!) TL;DR I realized just now...I basically just described my autism! (lol) Its good to expose yourself to multiple perspectives...too much circle-jerking to one story...no matter how good/relatable it is to you...will hinder your perspective and growth as a person. I still have fixations from time to time...but now I'm more self aware of it! But yeah...I guess that was my actual issue then...sorry if you couldn't relate but otherwise...yeah...I agree again with the general sentiment of what you said! :D
@@Alienrun btw TTGL is incredible too :) I had the privilege of watching it when I was fairly mostly out of adolescence already though, perhaps I was mature enough not to get terribly obsessed with it
It's truly a millennial curse. I intentionally avoided Harry Potter growing up. I avoided the hype around the books - and the books themselves - that my cousins engaged with. I never really followed the films, especially after Goblet, it's all a blur. I'm not massively into fiction, but late 90s early 00s when HP was kicking off, I read the Hobbit, mum read Narnia to me, and in my early teens I read the original Bartimaeus trilogy. In adulthood, I decided to listen to the Expanse audiobooks. Yet in spite of it all, HP so entirely permeated the cultural space I grew up in that without even going out my way to engage with it, I absorbed it, enough to still fall in the trap of making "it's like [HP thing]" references. It's in the bin of cringe millennial things alongside skinny jeans, horrendous application of eyeliner, and xD rawr scene kid shit.
Why did you not read it though? If you didn't like it you could have just stopped reading it. Or you might have liked it. Instead you just decided to double down on your ignorance of one of the biggest cultural things ever because... it was popular? I never understood people who are proud of their ignorance of something.
I would love if we could just collectively move on from this series as a society. I know it was a big part of people's childhoods, it was part of mine too, but it's just such a bummer to talk about now. People get so, so defensive about it in a way that really fails to address any of the very real issues with the books and their author to the point where I just don't want to hear about it at all now. Like, its gotten to the point where seeing HP merch in a bookstore is kind of upsetting, not because I think the books shouldn't be available but because they're still marketed so aggressively. It just seems really dissonant with the values people of that age group otherwise claim to have and like our nostalgia for something that really wasn't that groundbreaking is more important. It's just disappointing, much like the situation with the author in general. In theory I'm all for the whole separating art from the artist thing, but in practice it is more complicated than that. We're not talking about someone who's dead and whose works are in the public domain, we're talking about someone who very much still profits from their work and whose prejudices can very much be found within that work. It just isn't really worth it for what is ultimately a very formulaic series for children, is it?
@@michajerchel7350 we all joke about the fact that we cant read faster than he writes, but some people with chronic cosmere addiction read the whole thing multiple times before each new book....
More like "Am I going to build up to a critique of how the prejudicial culture and corruptible systems of the Wizarding world were a fertile breeding ground for Voldemort's fascism??... No of course not, that was just for show, it's just good guys vs bad guys"
Also you should judge people by their looks and physically tormenting people just because they're not the in group is fine... on good part it helps deal with loss, there's a LOT of existential dread Harry goes through, I think that helped it imprint on a generation.
@@Solarstormflare Sabriel and Abhorsen by Garth Nix, Iron Widow by Xiran Jay Xiao, Super Mutant Magic Academy and Laura Dean Keeps Breaking Up With Me by Jillian Tamaki, The Hate U Give by Angie Thomas, Sorted by Jackson Bird, The Golden Compass by Philip Pullman, Deadendia by Hamish Steele, Mamaskatch by McLeod, MFK by Nilah MacGruder, Serpentine by Cindy Pon, Artemis Fowl by Ian Colfer, Mediocre by Ijeoma Oluo, Tiny Pretty Things by Dohnielle Clayton, Illuminae by Amie Kaufman and Jay Kristoff, and Tiger, Tiger by Petra Norlund (that one's free online!) I tried to get in authors from different backgrounds too. Let me know if you want more!
I’ve read so many books in my life but never Harry Potter. Don’t know why and how but I never came to it. All the things I know about Harry Potter are things I’ve been hearing on TH-cam or other platforms. I’ve read books like Tintdead or tintheart and thats the vibe Harry Potter has for me going.
@@xXx_Regulus_xXx My family is conservative as well and thats actually the whole reason why I have never read Harry Potter. There was a situation a few years ago, when my little bro brought a Harry Potter book home. My dad wasn’t too happy about this and thats how we learned that we aren’t allowed to read them. But I still had never interest in reading them. Sorry for bad English, I’m not fluent at this language.
@@ninlh.8950Your English is fine, other than the last sentence, which should be "never had" rather than "had never", as the former is to do with having something (in this case, an interest), whereas the latter is to do with the past tense ("I had driven" > "I had never driven"). Perfect otherwise.
I’ve read a ton of other books in my life, Dostoevsky’s Crime and Punishment being my current favorite. Horror, sci-fi, romance, the classics… But I just finished rereading the Harry Potter series a few days ago because, doggone it, I actually still enjoy the story. Revisiting media from your childhood isn’t bad; turning that media into a core aspect of your identity is.
TF??!! I’m pretty sure Charles Dickens also wrote stories set in a world where class mattered and being poor is a hardship. As did… basically anyone who wrote things set on Earth. Honestly, I had to re-read that tweet a few times because I thought I misread it. Who describes poverty as “cheery”?
It's different reading it as an adult. I finished the audiobooks (I work a lot, and I don't have time to read) this past year, which would be my second time reading/listening to them since 6th Grade.
i like how you film all these normal sketch videos in like, what is very clearly Vietnam and just never comment on it. Good for you, looks pretty! (even your room in this one lol)
I say if you only wanna read one thing, go for it. Youll be permanently disadvantaged to everyone except the members of your cult, but thats your choice
Fans like this need to finish their quests to connect with the shadow beings they released in a foolish, childish curiosity years ago and ultimately discover that the gebbeth they feared is just as afraid of them, and that its name is their name, and then to reunite with their shadow selves in the dry land out beyond the furthest islands. You know, like an actually good wizard school book not written by a horrific racist and transphobe described
The last part really hits so close to home. Harry Potter really became for me a way to the simplicity and innocence of childhood (and early teenage years). Because in truth, many of us really do not start prepared to enter the adult world. We need to learn bit by bit, often with unpleasant experiences. But it's hard, and we need some safe space to return to once in a while.
that's fine, just don't force it on people who don't need that same crutch. it's more to save you from losing face than anything, but it's still very much worth doing.
Have you reread as an adult? I was a huge fan in my teenage years, then I gave them a relisten recently. I was really crushed by just how *mean* all the characters are to each other. The movies really softened it. If a character is "evil", they get described as totally ugly misshapen gargoyles (eg any Slytherin kids). Book Hermione wouldn't give a shit if Professor Trelawny died, and Ron is a complete bully to Hermione, to the point where it made me feel a bit ill that they got together at the end. And all the stuff with house elf slavery is just too weird and unsettling. The ending feels really hollow too, nothing changed rights-wise for any centaurs, giants, elves, goblins etc. Sure, it brings me back to a time where defeating one bad guy and a couple of his cronies meant the world was safe again. And now that I'm an adult, I know that will never solve any systemic problem. It all just feels empty.
NATO repeatedly using Harry Potter and star wars references in it's official propaganda in the Ukraine war (in which 100s of thousands have died already) is scary
Probably got it from russian liberal migrants. They LOVE putting Harry Potter into everything - articles, internet arguments, life style, vocabulary, etc. Thank god they left.
At least Harry Potter is a book series... Those whose souls have been weighted down by Earth's gravity can't begin to understand the lens through which I view the world.
This is just like when the Minotaur abducted Percy Jackson’s mom
Or when Rodrick threw a party and Greg had to cover for him to their parents
Or when Turumbar stole the Sillmarill
this is just like when Karl Marx wrote about communism
Or when the Witcher cured the striga
Or when Superman went to Mongul's planet and adopted two space kids
“Harry Potter is the only book that deals with what it’s like to grow up in poverty”.
Meanwhile, people walking by the grave of Charles Dickens can hear a muffled scream.
like every 2000's light novel
The problem is that that's an old-timey book written in old-timey language and characters nobody in this modern society can seriously relate to. In 50 years, people won't relate to Harry Potter anymore, either.
@@lynthIf you genuinely think people are incapable of relating to old books, I'm certain you've either only ever read bad books or are simply incapable of relating to other human beings. There are experiences, and emotions that human beings will always be able to connect with, no matter the time. Also, still doesn't change that depictions of poverty have been done countless times before Harry Potter. They've been done infinitely better as while, because Harry Potter barely even depicts poverty, and it has practically nothing to say about it.
P. S. "old-timey language"? I guess old books can be a little confusing sometimes but it's really not that bad.
@@lynth This is a joke, right? People are out here empathizing with wierdos who think showing your right hand is immodest and live in a world where the grass hides from you when you go by on your giant crab. But, hell, if you had to empathize with an orphan from industrial england.
Have they never read Mistborn? Pretty sure the character Vin grew up in poverty.
the only thing that can stop a 30 year old Harry Potter fan is a 50 year old Tintin fan
Ironically Tintin is probably more progressive on race and has better moral values
@@SehnsuchtYT "Tintin in Congo", which had to be revised multiple times for being seen as staggeringly racist even at time of publishing, would like to disagree
@@mynamejeff3545 But in a sense… at least they revised it, lol
Tintin never made it to my country. What exactly is a 50 year old Tintin fan?
@@mynamejeff3545 Tintin in the Congo was racist but not especially racist for the time. But that's more a slight against JK Rowling than anything.
Something that has truly baffled me about the HP fans is the use of muggle as an actual, real-world slur against people who don't like the series. It's just weird on so many levels, but the funniest part is that the person using the slur against you is also by definition, a muggle themselves.
"Fan" comes from "fanatic." You expect them to be rational and make sense? ;)
It's especially weird considering that it's the villains in the story who despise the muggles in the story.
JKR also stole that expression from Roald Dahl. Thought that worth mentioning.
Yeah that’s a little bit weird
I gotta apologise for the fandom - I’m an HP fan. That’s one of the things parts of the fandom does that just oh my goodness 😭
Harry Potter doesn't tell you to reject authority, it tells you to make very sure you've chosen the right authority (Dumbledore) and then blindly trust it
Edit:I made this quite long I apologise!
Dumbledore was never an authority though he was someone who tried and realised that he could not be.He disagreed to become Minister of Magic despite how many times he was asked to consider and he himself knew nothing of the DA.
We are later seen why Dumbledore did not want to be part of an authority and the flaws of Dumbledore,he was a genius but he himself was also a foolish person.
We also see him get criticised many times not just by Snape but by Harry as well.He was never meant to be a good person rather a grey character who had genuine genius with a not so good past.
@@Mialikesthings Dumbledore was the headmaster of the school Harry went to. He might not have been a political leader but he was absolutely an authority.
@@MacrocheniaYet this person is stating that they blindly trusted Dumbledore which might of been the case for them in the 6 books but in the 7 we see that even Dumbledore had flaws and was not to be blindly trusted which is not exactly what the person is saying here.
@@Mialikesthings people say this a lot but I don't really think it's true. Revealing dumbledore's flaws in book 7, is something I like a lot and in fact I like him more for it - he's probably my favorite character in Harry Potter.
But there's still a lot of times in that story where, while they doubt Dumbledore a lot and Ron for example gives up on the quest because he thinks Dumbledore didn't know what he was playing at, all of those doubts turn out to have in the end neen a mistake because doing what Dumbledore tasked them with actually was for the best in the end, every single time
@@AnythingMachine Each to their own interpretation I guess.When I talk about Dumbledore himself being flawed I’m specifically mentioning his past when he started believing in the ‘greater of good’ at hock with Grindelwald.
I just about choked when the bit about being the first series to address class was something someone actually said. I mean, if they were serious about their Harry Potter references, they would know that one of Daniel Radcliffe's roles before Harry Potter was in an adaptation of David Copperfield, and if that doesn't address class I don't know what does.
Someone revering Harry Potter definitely didn't move on to read something as long and heavy as Dickens, I'm sure of it.
Like that guy what does the magic? What's he got to do with class? Niiiiice try buddy. If you read more, maybe you coulda come up with a reference that makes sense 😂
I've read Charles Dicken's works. Imo they're pretty cool but the endings often fall apart.@@TheDanishGuyReviews
Thank you, yes! First thing I thought was.... Um... Dickens.... Hello... I'm a massive HP fan, but I read primarily Victorian literature. There's so many people who have done that before in classic books... I was baffled that this was a real tweet... David Copperfield is one of my all time favorites, as is Dickens himself.
@@TheDanishGuyReviews I did... You can be a HP fan and still read and understand high-brow literature... We do not all act like the example in the video. I've been an HP fan since the beginning, but am also a heavy reader of classics like Dickens, Poe, the Brontës, Faulkner, Hawthorne, Elliot, Doyle, Greek literature, Shakespeare, the list goes on. My bookshelves are overflowing with the stuff, as well as a massive HP book collection.
Reminds me of the time Gandalf said you shall not pass
It was actually "you cannot pass". Not "you shall not pass".
@@Valla686 well he said both in the movie, so he still did say it, so begone
@@GravemindMovies nope nope nopety nope
actually thats what Rowling said while standing outside the women's restrooms
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1:39 'My immortal' That's a bad answer even by harry potter fanfic standards.
and it's a HP fanfic! to say its a distinct entity from HP is laughable
But it's soooo good though! Not like, actually good. It's bad good.
Still got a chuckle out of me, lol
My immortal is high art
It's going to be standard high school reading 100 years from now
I heard of a murder drones fanfic comic named that
So it more of that then hp to me lol
I can think of maybe 4 times the Weasley poverty was brought up, and Ron only addresses it directly once. The are never shown to want for food. In fact, Deathly Hallows has Harry mention how Ron eats so well that he's spoiled by it. Harry eats worse than the Weasleys in the non-magical world, actually. Other than hand-me-downs, which could happen to any family, poverty doesn't directly affect them. Even Ron's wand, the only essential I've noticed, being a hand-me-down is fixed by the windfall of Arthur winning that company raffle in PoA. And then the Weasley twins open up their joke shop, and seeing how beloved it is, I think they're in clear moneywise going forward. (To say nothing of how only Ron, Ginny, and Molly don't have jobs near the end of the series. That many employed people should let them be able to save up some more, if not move them out of poverty altogether.)
They wouldn't have been able to open the joke shop without the funding from Harry though
@@giordanodsouza9563you don't have to be poor to need funding to open a shop. Unless you're rich or been saving money for years, everyone needs at least a little funding to open a business
Have we read the same series? The Weasleys' poverty is brought up _regularly_ both directly and indirectly. They're not poor to the point of starvation (and nobody has ever argued that they are); it drives some of the family's main conflict over the course of the series.
That seems a fair assestment, but it is strange that the first and maybe only thing Malfoy knew about the Weasleys was something like (I do not recall it exactly) "they have more children than they can take care of". Maybe the Weasleys attract attention for the number of children or maybe it is just a matter of a rich guy (more than that, an aristocrat) looking down on the not-so-well-off, but it is weird how their lack of means seems to be the Weasley defining trait for Malfoy.
San Theodoros, General Tapioca, is this a Tintin reference? Damn I love you
When I was in high school, I tried explaining Fullmetal Alchemist to a classmate. The second I mentioned the existence of the philosopher's stone as a story element, they claimed that it was ripping off Harry Potter and refused to listen any further. They legit thought that the philosopher's stone was a concept that Rowling invented and refused to listen to me any more. And if you know anything about Fullmetal Alchemist, you'll know that it's NOTHING like Harry Potter!
As an FMA fan (lover of the manga and the Brotherhood anime) through & through, this is just...Good God...why?
As an insufferable FMA fan, I do think FMA and Harry Potter do have some similar themes and story beats but FMA does them much better.
@@thisisnotausernameXD As a more casual FMA enjoyer, I agree; besides the 2003 anime version, the 2010 adaptation and manga are very well done.
This guy is really good at car crash dialogue.
A: Hello I'm discussing serious topic
B: I have a buffoonish opinion
A: *disbelief*
Idk why that structure works on me so well but it pretty much always manages to get a laugh out of me.
Yeah, his editing is pretty good too, the cuts have good pacing. The editing is actually better than in some movies I've seen. 😅
I love how harry potter fans can be so out of touch that you had to cite sources when satirizing them
[ *Spoilers* way of kings]
This is just like when Amaram betrayed Kaladin to take the Shardblade he won in combat.
Airsick lowlander
This comment is perfection
Spoilers! It's a 1200 page book, I haven't gotten through it yet.
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What’s the fantasy version of technobabble because whenever I hear from those books that’s all it sounds like to me
Did you just make those up
God, this is cathartic as hell. I live in Britain so it's basically illegal to say Harry Potter is overrated or retreading old ground. Heaven forbid you actually dislike the series.
Oh wow! It sounds like there's a lot of national pride behind that!
@@celisewillis I mean Britain is extremely defensive about any pop culture that keeps it relevant, and seeing as Doctor Who and Sherlock Holmes are both ancient (and the latter has better adaptations done by Americans rather than the British modern twist adaptation the BBC coughed out) Harry Potter has gained a pseudo-protected status here in the UK.
@@MattJDave Don't forget monty python
@@MattJDave I noticed that every British or even mixed production European film from 1990 that I see has at least half the cast that were in Harry Potter, like from EVERY named role from In Bruges to my fav Jane Austen adaptation having Snape and Umbridge. The only more prolific series is Bond, like I was watching King's Man and trying to guess which of the two the leads were in... SO Rasputin was in Deathly Hallows and the girl was in Quantum of Solace... Ralph Fiennes is M and Voldemort, so in BOTH. This is ridiculous! XD
@@KasumiRINA Ye, it's basically been a career golden ticket for them in British productions. Good for the actors, but it still astounds me that of all the British book series to turn the writer into a billionaire, it was the mediocre coming of age story set in a wizarding world that feels paper thin in regions beyond one Scottish boarding school.
0:07 - I wonder how many people will get this The Adventures of Tintin reference
Yes!! I was looking for this
I did a double take after hearing about General Tapioca.
oh my gosh I thought it sounded familiar💀💀
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I did think of one possible unique aspect of HP that led to its worldwide popularity: the adult character’s lives were portrayed as equally magical and interesting as the children’s lives. In many children’s/YA fantasy books, the only paths available to characters post-childhood seem to be “noble” or “peasant” unless they’re some kind of chosen one. But in HP, they show a bunch of different magical careers that adults pursue. It felt like it promised a whole world that you could “realistically” live in (as long as you got your letter) at any level of society. This is just my take, and I would legitimately love to read any other series that does something similar.
This is just like when the flood carried Jaypaw's stick into the lake and Firestar had to go and save it so the blind child wouldn't drown himself
I misread as "Flood Carrier" and my Halo PTSD kicked in.
I wish I’d read those.
1:23 Guys this is just like the time in Mistborn when Spook said, "It's survivin' time," and he survived the flames.
Like when Ola saved Kihrin .
real
I'll admit I was a die hard Harry Potter fan for most of my life and didn't start seriously reading other authors until a couple years back. I still love HP, but there's so much good stuff out there.
always glad to hear about someone breaking out of their comfort zone
And the writing in HP really isn't that good, especially in the first few books. A lot of the characters are fairly two-dimensional. There are some huge plot holes, contrivances, and conveniences.
I utterly love the HP series despite these things but it is very very flawed. I too didn't realise just how flawed it was until I started reading other things.
This reminds me of that moment when Adolin shat in his shardplate
Two comments about stormlight and you win
Which time?
he WHAT
It's okay to like Harry Potter as an adult. Or any children's literature. Most children's literature deals in themes and concepts that remain relevant our entire lives, even if they're simplified down to a level kids can digest. Just don't make your entire personality AS AN ADULT, and try occasionally reading something that's actually up to your level.
Yeah, always make sure to mix it up with a fair amount of Lord of the Rings DnD for a bit of variety
You're expecting Harry Potter fans to have an adult reading level?
@Orbowitz Well, I do. And I did when I was 12 too.
@@tinyfreckle so does my fiance. I don't actually believe that lol
@@Orbowitz so... because you've seen that something can happen, you believe it can't happen again? Please explain
Don't worry, General Alcazar will save the day in San Theodoros, along with his friends Tintin, Captain Haddock, Professor Calculus, and the greatest Interpol detectives Thomson and Thompson...
Once a girl in my school compared Hitler to Voldemort I shit you not
Fairly certain voldemort was in part based on hitler, so that's like being surprised to find similarities to walls in stone.
@@Idkpleasejustletmechangeitwalls in stone, thats a good analogy lol
I mean, the comparison is pretty obvious. Hyper racist evil megalomaniac who's obsessed with blood purity.
wait till you hear about "Voldemort Putin" (don't worry it's just a Parks and Rec joke lol)
Still better than the article that compared Voldemort to Jesus Christ. Not a joke.
This is just like when Lobelia Sackville-Baggins wouldn't shut up about being screwed out of Bag End... and kept taking spoons!
UGH, Vladimir Putin is SUCH a Ted Sandyman.
Man this is just like Maggie arguing with Mrs. Calloway in Home on the Range
LMAO this is the one that got me
I've got the same issue with the cosmere .... ohno
Wait... San Theodoros??? General Tapioca??? TINTIN?!? Was not expecting a Tintin reference in this
Bloody hell why you calling my Mum out like that. The only thing is she isn't 30. 😂
I remember watching footage of various protests and riots and theres also a few dozen that carries a sign around thats quoting stuff from Harry Potter.
I am here to remind everyone that the real San Theodoros was overtaken by a harry, ron and hermione like trio of adults from Belgium helping a friend replace a dictator which ended up not changing the country much at all… came for the silly references, stayed for the great hidden ones. This sir, is a clever video.
I stand by Ursula K Le Guin's opinion on Harry Potter:
“stylistically ordinary, imaginatively derivative, and ethically rather mean-spirited.”
She prefaced that by saying it "seemed a lively kid’s fantasy crossed with a ‘school novel’, good fare for its age group" which I stand by. I think it deserved to be a minor success, but I'm baffled by the scale of its popularity.
she was cookin
Ethically mean spirited? Wtf kinda drugs she on? Or does she sympathize with authoritarians and racists so it struck a nerve?
Yeah. They were fine but really dont hold up to scrutiny
More like Ursula Slay Le Win
Harry Potter tells you endlessly seeking power will lead to your downfall..unless you are special
He really dropped the My Immortal reference! I love it!
This is just like when jacen solo refused to listen to his uncle and started a new galactic war.
"One piece of media that i can absolutely adore..." At least yours is a well known series. My one piece of media is an obscure Australian kids show from thirty years ago.
This is just like the time when Horus betrayed the Emperor and caused the Horus Heresy!
Filthy heretics!
Reading those tweets on the video made me physically unwell lol. Great video
Kinda crazy how well this describes my experience with a specific anime I watched a while ago...glad to have moved on since then! But for several years my mind would connect almost anything to it...this video does a good job showing that mindless dedication to a fictional story in this regard is not healthy...even with all the excuses they are at the end of the day just that...excuses! :O
Let me guess... JoJo?
@@Kromiball No its Dio! :P
I actually haven't watched Jojo but given how meme centric the show (a lot of memes have come out of it...tho I am aware most of them are from part 4) is I wouldn't be surprised if that was a common thing among the fanbase.
The show I was talking about was TTGL. Given that the show has both pro and anti religious messaging and that almost every piece of iconography is designed in a way to make it easy to project onto (aka autism)...on top of being a well executed and written hero's journey story with lots of thematic density (stuff early on both foreshadows and gets built upon later...making the theme of the story feel like a loop in a sense)...well yeah...makes it very easy to go "oh that's like that one part/scene/idea in TTGL!"
I actually have not watched any anime at all as of late...but I get the feeling Jojo is something I should avoid (partially due to your guess I'd say)...just a feeling tho! lol :P
Imo there's nothing wrong with connecting things to stories; after all, fiction is a tool for understanding and navigating the world around us, and takes influence from real life events and people. The problem comes if you fail to understand when it's not appropriate to tell everybody how something is just like Harry Potter.
@@debleb166 I agree with the general sentiment of what your saying. (As I myself like getting in depth with lots of media/stories) But I still stand by the idea that being too obsessed is actually an issue. When your fascination with a story gets so meta that it loops around into being a self justifying prophecy. When this happens you start walking a very thin tight rope where you are in danger of subconsciously assuming the story itself to be more real than reality itself!
And I should clarify...that last sentence isn't even necessarily untrue! We view life as a set of stories all the time...they are in a sense more real than real life.
So perhaps...after writing all this out just now...the issue lies more with the obsession rather than the engagement itself. Again...when you start framing all of reality towards one story...you start to get mad at reality for really stupid reasons (and you'll annoy people by bringing it up a lot...as you admitted). Part of what drives this behavior is that you believe in the story so much that you feel that any person would benefit from bearing witness to it even if they don't like it (Example: "You haven't watched Harry Potter?! WHAT? Your life is like...literately invalid if you don't! We're watching it asap!)
TL;DR I realized just now...I basically just described my autism! (lol) Its good to expose yourself to multiple perspectives...too much circle-jerking to one story...no matter how good/relatable it is to you...will hinder your perspective and growth as a person. I still have fixations from time to time...but now I'm more self aware of it! But yeah...I guess that was my actual issue then...sorry if you couldn't relate but otherwise...yeah...I agree again with the general sentiment of what you said! :D
@@Alienrun btw TTGL is incredible too :)
I had the privilege of watching it when I was fairly mostly out of adolescence already though, perhaps I was mature enough not to get terribly obsessed with it
It's truly a millennial curse. I intentionally avoided Harry Potter growing up. I avoided the hype around the books - and the books themselves - that my cousins engaged with. I never really followed the films, especially after Goblet, it's all a blur. I'm not massively into fiction, but late 90s early 00s when HP was kicking off, I read the Hobbit, mum read Narnia to me, and in my early teens I read the original Bartimaeus trilogy. In adulthood, I decided to listen to the Expanse audiobooks.
Yet in spite of it all, HP so entirely permeated the cultural space I grew up in that without even going out my way to engage with it, I absorbed it, enough to still fall in the trap of making "it's like [HP thing]" references.
It's in the bin of cringe millennial things alongside skinny jeans, horrendous application of eyeliner, and xD rawr scene kid shit.
Why did you not read it though? If you didn't like it you could have just stopped reading it. Or you might have liked it. Instead you just decided to double down on your ignorance of one of the biggest cultural things ever because... it was popular? I never understood people who are proud of their ignorance of something.
This is EXACTLY like when shallan took kaladin's boots
I would love if we could just collectively move on from this series as a society. I know it was a big part of people's childhoods, it was part of mine too, but it's just such a bummer to talk about now. People get so, so defensive about it in a way that really fails to address any of the very real issues with the books and their author to the point where I just don't want to hear about it at all now. Like, its gotten to the point where seeing HP merch in a bookstore is kind of upsetting, not because I think the books shouldn't be available but because they're still marketed so aggressively. It just seems really dissonant with the values people of that age group otherwise claim to have and like our nostalgia for something that really wasn't that groundbreaking is more important. It's just disappointing, much like the situation with the author in general. In theory I'm all for the whole separating art from the artist thing, but in practice it is more complicated than that. We're not talking about someone who's dead and whose works are in the public domain, we're talking about someone who very much still profits from their work and whose prejudices can very much be found within that work. It just isn't really worth it for what is ultimately a very formulaic series for children, is it?
...but what about the 30 year old fans that graduated from Rowling and refuse to read anything that's not Sanderson?
Hey, what's up? Did someone mention me? Lol
I read things that aren't Sanderson. Occasionally he'll have books in his universes written by other authors
No, in this case it's different. They just can't read fast enough to read anything other than cosmere
Anyway, I'm gonna go and read Well of Ascencion
@@michajerchel7350 we all joke about the fact that we cant read faster than he writes, but some people with chronic cosmere addiction read the whole thing multiple times before each new book....
@@snowdrop9810 Hey what's up? Did someone mention me? Lol
If you have a friend who is like this, give him a copy of Ulysses, and insist it's part of that world's canon.
Harry potter fan guy totally reminds me of Gollum from the Lord of the Rings. He is treating the Harry Potter series as Gollum would the One Ring.
At least it's not the type of fan that essentially turned it into their religion (yes, there are harry potter fans like that).
1:03, It’s also the kind of point that Harry would make to Hermione about SPEW
0:29, that would be an underground resistance
This is just me with the Cosmere.
Just hand them Mistborn. Or anything Cosmere. I’m not obsessed, YOUR OBSESSED, SKA!
Harry Potter's deep social commentary: "Bullies are bad."
More like "Am I going to build up to a critique of how the prejudicial culture and corruptible systems of the Wizarding world were a fertile breeding ground for Voldemort's fascism??... No of course not, that was just for show, it's just good guys vs bad guys"
Also you should judge people by their looks and physically tormenting people just because they're not the in group is fine... on good part it helps deal with loss, there's a LOT of existential dread Harry goes through, I think that helped it imprint on a generation.
This is like that time Gideon defeated Naberius in a duel
As a Discworld enjoyer this is too real.
This is like when Moonwatcher was trying to explain her scrolls to her parents.
You mean clearsight. Or were you talking about a different book series
Had to look up ‘My Immortal’ because I have never heard of it before until now and my god Humanity is forever doomed
How the hell had you not heard of the greatest literary masterpiece of the 21st century for almost 20 years?
Huh, wasn't expecting the Tintin reference. Good choice
I grew up on HP too and the series is mid at best. Read a different book, folks. There's better stuff out there.
Examples?
I know people like to say that because of how popular it is but in fact Harry Potter is a great book series
@@matityaloran9157exactly. The Transformers movies were popular but they sure as heck aren't the pinnacle of cinema 😂
@@celisewillis That’s true. That said, the Harry Potter books actually are that great
@@Solarstormflare Sabriel and Abhorsen by Garth Nix, Iron Widow by Xiran Jay Xiao, Super Mutant Magic Academy and Laura Dean Keeps Breaking Up With Me by Jillian Tamaki, The Hate U Give by Angie Thomas, Sorted by Jackson Bird, The Golden Compass by Philip Pullman, Deadendia by Hamish Steele, Mamaskatch by McLeod, MFK by Nilah MacGruder, Serpentine by Cindy Pon, Artemis Fowl by Ian Colfer, Mediocre by Ijeoma Oluo, Tiny Pretty Things by Dohnielle Clayton, Illuminae by Amie Kaufman and Jay Kristoff, and Tiger, Tiger by Petra Norlund (that one's free online!) I tried to get in authors from different backgrounds too. Let me know if you want more!
By the way, el lazarillo de tormes was the first book to do a lot of the things that harry potter fan claims harry potter did.
Harry Potter isn’t the only book series to deal with good and evil. What about Mistborn by Brandon Sanderson??
Pretty sure sanderson's cosmere books dont have a true "evil" vs "good" thing. Its more ambigious usually. Except for Secret projects.
Idk, the Lord Ruler was pretty cut and dry bad guy in Mistborn. They kinda humanized him later, but only sorta
I feel like this is just extending the joke to Brandon Sanderson novels
@@snowdrop9810genuinely curious to see if you can categorize Odium as morally ambiguous
ItIt was most kids are introduced of the concept from HP.
The character in the video never stated that it was the only one.
omg muggle reference killing
2:14, honestly, when you praise something for “originality” you deserve that response.
Man, General Tapioca. That was a deep cut.
I knew the conversation is definite going nowhere just like when gandalf trying to convince theoden when wormtongue was the adviser
“First book series to seriously deal with issues of class”
Edwin Abbott^2 would like to have a word with you about that
So I looked up San Theodores and gotta say I didn't expect what I found
0:35, and that’s him taking a metaphor way too literally
I’ve read so many books in my life but never Harry Potter. Don’t know why and how but I never came to it. All the things I know about Harry Potter are things I’ve been hearing on TH-cam or other platforms.
I’ve read books like Tintdead or tintheart and thats the vibe Harry Potter has for me going.
my conservative upbringing saved me from having a harry potter phase and I'm grateful for it in retrospect.
This post was made by Narnia gang 🦁
@@xXx_Regulus_xXx Honestly, saving me from reading Harry Potter might be the sole good the Satanic Panic did for me lol. And Narnia is based.
@@xXx_Regulus_xXx My family is conservative as well and thats actually the whole reason why I have never read Harry Potter. There was a situation a few years ago, when my little bro brought a Harry Potter book home. My dad wasn’t too happy about this and thats how we learned that we aren’t allowed to read them. But I still had never interest in reading them.
Sorry for bad English, I’m not fluent at this language.
@@ninlh.8950Your English is fine, other than the last sentence, which should be "never had" rather than "had never", as the former is to do with having something (in this case, an interest), whereas the latter is to do with the past tense ("I had driven" > "I had never driven").
Perfect otherwise.
@@xXx_Regulus_xXx meanwhile conservatives idolizing rowling now:
I’ve read a ton of other books in my life, Dostoevsky’s Crime and Punishment being my current favorite. Horror, sci-fi, romance, the classics… But I just finished rereading the Harry Potter series a few days ago because, doggone it, I actually still enjoy the story. Revisiting media from your childhood isn’t bad; turning that media into a core aspect of your identity is.
General Tapioca 😂😂😂
TF??!!
I’m pretty sure Charles Dickens also wrote stories set in a world where class mattered and being poor is a hardship. As did… basically anyone who wrote things set on Earth.
Honestly, I had to re-read that tweet a few times because I thought I misread it. Who describes poverty as “cheery”?
Solid sketch work, though if I could make one suggestion, cut it off a little sooner so the comedic tension doesn't peter out
Hahahaha this one hits close to home. Although thanks to Harry Potter, I read lotr and asoiaf so that’s good I guess
3:22, Statute of Secrecy
It's different reading it as an adult. I finished the audiobooks (I work a lot, and I don't have time to read) this past year, which would be my second time reading/listening to them since 6th Grade.
This is just like in that one book when
got really close to self reflection there for a moment.
This is just like that time Mal Arvorian ate her snot in front of everyone.
I have to many cousins exactly like this.
The philosopher Peter Vardy said half of this stuff in his philosophy books
A lot of people take him seriously
It's spooky
This was actually me freshman year in college when the only book I’d read was Fault In Our Stars
Oh nooo hahaha been there tho. Did you read other sick lit? Invincible and Unforgivable by Amy Reed are still a pretty solid duology actually.
i like how you film all these normal sketch videos in like, what is very clearly Vietnam and just never comment on it. Good for you, looks pretty! (even your room in this one lol)
Man, this General Tapioca sounds a lot like Cao Cao.
He's going to win.
I just had a Harry Potter ad 🤨
I say if you only wanna read one thing, go for it. Youll be permanently disadvantaged to everyone except the members of your cult, but thats your choice
Fans like this need to finish their quests to connect with the shadow beings they released in a foolish, childish curiosity years ago and ultimately discover that the gebbeth they feared is just as afraid of them, and that its name is their name, and then to reunite with their shadow selves in the dry land out beyond the furthest islands. You know, like an actually good wizard school book not written by a horrific racist and transphobe described
Is that a Tintin reference ?! 😂😆
General Tapioca sounds like such a Slytherin
The last part really hits so close to home. Harry Potter really became for me a way to the simplicity and innocence of childhood (and early teenage years). Because in truth, many of us really do not start prepared to enter the adult world. We need to learn bit by bit, often with unpleasant experiences. But it's hard, and we need some safe space to return to once in a while.
that's fine, just don't force it on people who don't need that same crutch. it's more to save you from losing face than anything, but it's still very much worth doing.
@@xXx_Regulus_xXxThat's kinda dismissive.
Have you reread as an adult? I was a huge fan in my teenage years, then I gave them a relisten recently. I was really crushed by just how *mean* all the characters are to each other. The movies really softened it. If a character is "evil", they get described as totally ugly misshapen gargoyles (eg any Slytherin kids). Book Hermione wouldn't give a shit if Professor Trelawny died, and Ron is a complete bully to Hermione, to the point where it made me feel a bit ill that they got together at the end. And all the stuff with house elf slavery is just too weird and unsettling. The ending feels really hollow too, nothing changed rights-wise for any centaurs, giants, elves, goblins etc. Sure, it brings me back to a time where defeating one bad guy and a couple of his cronies meant the world was safe again. And now that I'm an adult, I know that will never solve any systemic problem. It all just feels empty.
Dude turned the "read a different book" meme into a 4 minute skit
I am proud to say that I got the Tintin reference at the beginning
Lmao anyone else catch that tintin reference?
Is that a Tintin reference I hear at the beginning ?
OH MY GOD I FINALLY GET IT, I was sitting here trying to remember how this was a tin tin reference when it hit me.
the tintin references are awesome
NATO repeatedly using Harry Potter and star wars references in it's official propaganda in the Ukraine war (in which 100s of thousands have died already) is scary
Probably got it from russian liberal migrants. They LOVE putting Harry Potter into everything - articles, internet arguments, life style, vocabulary, etc. Thank god they left.
Having TH-cam play a Harry Potter: Hogwarts Legacy ad before the video starts is wild
The gravest sin of the Potterhead here was to consider my Immortal a book. Thats an insult to every single piece of written letter ever.
True, it’s not a book. It’s a magical piece of art that transcends from the medium into something that can’t be categorized by mere mortals.
My mother used to read Lovecraft to me when i was younger... guess who grew up with clinical depression :)
At least Harry Potter is a book series... Those whose souls have been weighted down by Earth's gravity can't begin to understand the lens through which I view the world.
deliberately not reading Harry Potter back when I was a child was the best decision I've ever made in my life.
Why?
0:10 Tintin reference?!?!?!?!