Love the move to make monuments important to all egyptian gods…before as Ra or Set you’d just hide them in a corner and get all the favor, now you have to put them in high-risk spots to get the bonuses
I mean, they are mythological in nature. But seeing as he's the only god that has them, there's no need for a myth tag to buff them as they will only ever be in one state.
Zeus's artwork is honestly the worst one on here and one I would totally buy being AI generated. His hair is an obsidian gray and his beard is snow facking white, these two clash and completely take your eyes off his actual face. And the robes from afar make him look like he has a damn beer belly, when in reality he's ripped as hell. They just seem to almost *blend* into his body and it looks weird. The rest are "fine" , there's room for improvement on some, but they're passable. But it doesn't remove the fact that they are infinately less eye-catching and iconic that the originals
I still can’t understand why they replaced Gaia with Groot. Some people argued she’s a titan, but isn’t Oranos a titan as well? Why does he look like a dude? And wasn’t Gaia his wife or something? So he stuck it in a tree and the tree got pregnant?
@@Rws4Life Agreed, both Gaia and Ouranos are titans, but in ancient Greek vase art they are often depicted as humans. It's the attributes that makes them recognisable. So for Gaia, that would be some fruit (karpoi) or depictions of the seasons (horai), keeping connection with the earth, being mother earth. Ouranos isn't that popular in ancient Greek art, but other skygods in other pantheons are ofen depicted as spanning the universe with their limbs.
Forget the beer belly, the dark hair imposed over a dark cloudy background makes it look like he's balding. I'd almost prefer if this were AI art because I can't imagine an artist composed this image and went through with shading and rendering
The bouncing text is a security measure, probably a leftover from the internal beta (probably didn't remove it because they are going to continue internal beta tests with the same build now that the public beta is over), and is there to make it harder for playtesters to hide their identity if they leak stuff.
Yep. Pretty standard stuff. Normally you do not see them in open betas because there is little to hide. But like you said. They likely did not feel that it was worth removing at this point.
I dont think 20% Zeus is necessarily stritcly a nerf since it affects the output, while the previous bonus affected your workers, which suffer from deminished returns the more you have on it. So I think, although it would need more testing that once you have a certain ammount of workers it might actually be a better bonus than what he had before.
Yes it could very easily have a very similar or better effect in practice, the numbers are just applied differently. I think that can probably be the case with a bunch of what we've seen in the beta :P
I think the Set animals losing 25% is actually a way to buff them. So opponent's can't get as much food out of them for killing them if they are near villagers/their base.
Quick note regarding Thor's dwarves is they gather food at the same rate as gatherers, or at least they did in classic AoM. Sadly I didn't have time to play around as Norse too much in the beta but I assume it would be the same here. I believe their main weakness is they still gather wood a little slower (10%), but I don't mind that too much since his ability to spread his economy more evenly with food and gold with free dwarves should make his timing attacks pretty great.
Loki's 25% damage boost looks cracked! Especially when compared to Thor getting only one free dwarf after upgrading the armoury. I think Thor should start with an armoury upgrade or two for free. Coolest would be if he can select which armoured upgrade to get for free the first time he builds an armoury.
They've done an excellent job in keeping the overall ethos of each deity whilst making some well thought-out tweaks, to make each a little more distinct from each other. I would imagine the Minor Gods also have been similarly tweaked to further enhance this. Very promising so far. BTW... Thor will improve your poor opinion of Dwarves! They will be the beating heart of the Thor economy. Consider: you can, at the very start, build an armoury and get research going (and never stop!) to get a FREE DWARF, every time. You will hardly need to spawn Dwarves at the TC! By the end of the first age alone you will have at least 2 military upgrades AND two extra gatherers. Major bonuses to have so early.
Hmmm... Not trying to be a milk sucker, but they are gods so the stuff that they are and that they do must be beyond human comprehension. Still agree with you though, they look TOO unnatural, especially Poseidon.
Aside from looking a bit wierd I also think the new portraits just look so much worse compared to the original. They look like generic fantasy characters from a MOBA. At least we get the old portraits back even though it seems like we have to pay for them.
While Thor now gets dwarves from the dwarven armory, he no longer has cheaper armory techs. Though the tech costs also changed (I think iron is the same base cost, but copper is notably much cheaper).
@@swyte Zeus is super strong. -1 population for myth units is crazy good. you can probably stack centaurs or Minotaurs like crazy. An entire army of myth units +archers could be strong because you get great melee front line and strong siege capacity. Bad vs Altlantia that spam heroes but Noise and Egytians have tough time with that. Ra - Probably broken. you can empower so many things with 1 monument. RA early game tech is going to be oppressive., Seth looks like he got gutted because whole thing with Seth is that he had access to crap gods unless they improved his god. he was early game bully that loses if he get to titan age. Loki looks uber strong. 10% for human units is crazy because it applies to ranged units. Ranged units unlike melee units have no down-time in attacking. His giant was huge bully for sieges in early game. summoning a giant could often be gg for early loki ambushes even in original AOM.
@@davyhotch I have videos coming talking about changes in god powers as well as new techs, there *are* a lot of differences. As for your example, Thor did get his unique tech replaced with something new, and god power tweaked
Lets learn from Smite and just agree to call the egyptian lady Eset, it worked for them and their videos / streams im sure its going to work for us as well.
8:49 Smite renamed Isis into Eset, which is an older name for the goddess. That seems to be a reasonable decision to avoid having to censor the name every time.
@Mycenaea there's gotta be an error in the maths. I think the point of Thor's bonus is that his dwarves are less sucky at gathering food and wood than Odin/Loki dwarves but still worse/equal to regular gatherers
The original devs didn't want to make Chinese for the remaster edition, it wasn't really their idea and was more so forced by the republisher. It's why it wasn't a good dlc. Im hoping they do good with making it their own, since it does sound fun.
I didn't play a lot of online games in AoM, so I don't know how it is in comparison, Norse seems very strong though, especially with some of the god power changes that they got.
Brother, what is the problem? 💀20+ year old game I think it's alright for people to be hyped about a remake. It's also not even just re-release, they're completely remaking horrible old content (Tale of the Dragon expansion), and they're adding new content with at least one new expansion, as well as having official balance and maintenance for the first time in 4 years or smn.
@@swyte Or the can just make AoM 2 like they made AoE 4... with new civs and gameplay mechanics, instead we get same old game with some minor chnages/additions, and the problem is that aslong as people are hyped for this they will keep doing that
@@niatilevi9768 there will be new content. Atlanteans get more changes, hence they are not in the beta yet, Chinese get a complete rework, Freya will be added to the gods and a new faction will come out some time. If they did the new content without bringing back the old content with QOL and graphic updates, it would suck. You think you are saying something smart by demanding a new game instead of a rerelease, but they changed the graphics, the engine and some functionalities, so everything a new game would have but bring back the beloved content in addition to new content. This is better than acting like we need to think about new factions and gods to enjoy AOM again
@@niatilevi9768 You use a bad example. AoE4 is meant to encompass new concepts, it’s a different time period than the other games, that’s why there’s different civs in it. That’s not the point of a remake, the point is to bring a game that people love back to life and give it a second chance, and build on what’s already there. I’m not sure what you base your negative view on remakes on, especially with this series, given the absolute resounding success of AoE2: DE. The revival of AoE2 blew that game up way beyond anything it’s ever seen before, and even as a remake it’s expanded so much from what it was before, there’s no reason to assume that can’t happen with a truly underrated but incredible game like Age of Mythology
@@niatilevi9768 as well, “minor changes and additions” does not even close to cover what they did to AoM even in the beta. I assume you haven’t played it, otherwise you’d know that 💀
@@swyte i reckon this in reference to the devs suffering severe ocd-autism changing everything about the game for no good reason some portion of the changes are even justifiable, though
So based on the passive bonuses alone, I think both Loki and Ra are gonna be extremely strong compared to the rest. Ra's economy will boom faster and harder than anyone else with a well-placed monument and good priest usage, I don't think anyone can keep up with his economy just based on his bonuses. Loki's aggression will be extremely strong, fast and easy to pull off. With a massive 25% building speed he will be able to rush faster than anyone else, and summoning free myth units while harassing your enemy is very strong and very hard to deal with.
Lokis bonuses seemed very much placeholder, he's the only God out of all of them that got anywhere close to a 25% bonus and he got TWO 25% bonuses. They are probably experimenting with turning Loki into a faction that heavily focuses on rushing and early aggression. I expect one of those numbers to drop to 20% to fall in-line with other god bonuses and the other one to be 10 or 15%.
A friendly advice: in your future videos you might want to turn down the music significantly. It is very distracting and interferes in listening to what you are saying. I stopped listening after few minutes, and I was interested in the topic.
I'm never really satisfied with music volume in the videos I make, it's a tough balance to hit, the volume of these tracks were already turned down a lot fyi. People have also commented enjoying the music, so it's just a preference thing too
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Love the move to make monuments important to all egyptian gods…before as Ra or Set you’d just hide them in a corner and get all the favor, now you have to put them in high-risk spots to get the bonuses
I am so hyped about the official release of this game, the most anticipated one for years that has actually come out
i wasn't aware that it's come out already
@@cl8804 only the beta for this weekend, it's official release is in 7 weeks
Shades are not myth units, they are just shades,a separate unit type. They don't get affected by upgrades or bonus damage of any type
Good info
I mean, they are mythological in nature. But seeing as he's the only god that has them, there's no need for a myth tag to buff them as they will only ever be in one state.
@@dan7564 myth could be considered a nerf as well depending on what they are facing.
afaik in EE and the original versions, they do at least receive bonuses from the attack armory upgrades, idk about the armor upgrades though
Zues: Smash, Hades: Smash, Poseidon: Smash, Ra: Pass, Isis: Smash but she no longer thicc, Set: Smash, Thor: Pass, Odin: Pass, Loki: Smash.
Isis was never thicc, she was just striking an angled pose in the original.
No no no, you don't smash Zeus, Zeus smashes you
@@CRSB00 I'm totally fine with Zues knocking me up
Thanks a lot for the vid, super comfy to see what changed like this. 👍🙂
1:15 I feel like it’s clear why it’s there. To make sure everyone knows it’s a Beta and not the final product.
IKR. Like, do you actually know why are you are playing it already now? Derp.
Then just put it in a corner where its unintrusive not have ir blunce arpund like a screensaver
Zeus's artwork is honestly the worst one on here and one I would totally buy being AI generated.
His hair is an obsidian gray and his beard is snow facking white, these two clash and completely take your eyes off his actual face.
And the robes from afar make him look like he has a damn beer belly, when in reality he's ripped as hell. They just seem to almost *blend* into his body and it looks weird.
The rest are "fine" , there's room for improvement on some, but they're passable. But it doesn't remove the fact that they are infinately less eye-catching and iconic that the originals
Fun fact: they ask money if you want to replace these new portraits with the original ones. 😂😂 Absolutely ridiculous.
I still can’t understand why they replaced Gaia with Groot. Some people argued she’s a titan, but isn’t Oranos a titan as well? Why does he look like a dude? And wasn’t Gaia his wife or something? So he stuck it in a tree and the tree got pregnant?
@@Rws4Life Agreed, both Gaia and Ouranos are titans, but in ancient Greek vase art they are often depicted as humans. It's the attributes that makes them recognisable. So for Gaia, that would be some fruit (karpoi) or depictions of the seasons (horai), keeping connection with the earth, being mother earth. Ouranos isn't that popular in ancient Greek art, but other skygods in other pantheons are ofen depicted as spanning the universe with their limbs.
Forget the beer belly, the dark hair imposed over a dark cloudy background makes it look like he's balding. I'd almost prefer if this were AI art because I can't imagine an artist composed this image and went through with shading and rendering
I thought he was one of the best ones lol
The bouncing text is a security measure, probably a leftover from the internal beta (probably didn't remove it because they are going to continue internal beta tests with the same build now that the public beta is over), and is there to make it harder for playtesters to hide their identity if they leak stuff.
Yep. Pretty standard stuff. Normally you do not see them in open betas because there is little to hide. But like you said. They likely did not feel that it was worth removing at this point.
The Beta screen saver is so people do not misrepresent the game later on by showing outdated beta footage.
I dont think 20% Zeus is necessarily stritcly a nerf since it affects the output, while the previous bonus affected your workers, which suffer from deminished returns the more you have on it. So I think, although it would need more testing that once you have a certain ammount of workers it might actually be a better bonus than what he had before.
Yes it could very easily have a very similar or better effect in practice, the numbers are just applied differently. I think that can probably be the case with a bunch of what we've seen in the beta :P
I think the Set animals losing 25% is actually a way to buff them. So opponent's can't get as much food out of them for killing them if they are near villagers/their base.
Hmm I don’t see that. A lot of players just eat them themselves.
I seen people use Set animals to punish attempts to expand early on, and prevent a second TC, as well as scouting.
@@SolitaryLark That's true, even on Voobly they were nerfed on that way
Quick note regarding Thor's dwarves is they gather food at the same rate as gatherers, or at least they did in classic AoM. Sadly I didn't have time to play around as Norse too much in the beta but I assume it would be the same here. I believe their main weakness is they still gather wood a little slower (10%), but I don't mind that too much since his ability to spread his economy more evenly with food and gold with free dwarves should make his timing attacks pretty great.
Loki's 25% damage boost looks cracked! Especially when compared to Thor getting only one free dwarf after upgrading the armoury.
I think Thor should start with an armoury upgrade or two for free. Coolest would be if he can select which armoured upgrade to get for free the first time he builds an armoury.
They've done an excellent job in keeping the overall ethos of each deity whilst making some well thought-out tweaks, to make each a little more distinct from each other. I would imagine the Minor Gods also have been similarly tweaked to further enhance this. Very promising so far.
BTW... Thor will improve your poor opinion of Dwarves! They will be the beating heart of the Thor economy. Consider: you can, at the very start, build an armoury and get research going (and never stop!) to get a FREE DWARF, every time. You will hardly need to spawn Dwarves at the TC! By the end of the first age alone you will have at least 2 military upgrades AND two extra gatherers. Major bonuses to have so early.
The portraits of many of the gods and goddesses look AI-generated. Uncanny and body parts are disproportionated.
Hmmm... Not trying to be a milk sucker, but they are gods so the stuff that they are and that they do must be beyond human comprehension. Still agree with you though, they look TOO unnatural, especially Poseidon.
It's deffo ai generated, really big shame.
They are I think,and fixed by artists to aviod too realistic.
Thor's hold on his hammer looks especially odd.
Aside from looking a bit wierd I also think the new portraits just look so much worse compared to the original. They look like generic fantasy characters from a MOBA.
At least we get the old portraits back even though it seems like we have to pay for them.
If Ra have Thoth instead Horus, his war elephant maybe is the strongest in the game thank to Tusks of Apedemak technology.
i love the new art, its so clean
Why Gaia art look ugly 😢
While Thor now gets dwarves from the dwarven armory, he no longer has cheaper armory techs. Though the tech costs also changed (I think iron is the same base cost, but copper is notably much cheaper).
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@@swyte Zeus is super strong. -1 population for myth units is crazy good. you can probably stack centaurs or Minotaurs like crazy. An entire army of myth units +archers could be strong because you get great melee front line and strong siege capacity. Bad vs Altlantia that spam heroes but Noise and Egytians have tough time with that.
Ra - Probably broken. you can empower so many things with 1 monument. RA early game tech is going to be oppressive., Seth looks like he got gutted because whole thing with Seth is that he had access to crap gods unless they improved his god. he was early game bully that loses if he get to titan age.
Loki looks uber strong. 10% for human units is crazy because it applies to ranged units. Ranged units unlike melee units have no down-time in attacking. His giant was huge bully for sieges in early game. summoning a giant could often be gg for early loki ambushes even in original AOM.
Are the starting god powers and technologies the same? I always enjoyed Thors gatherers instantly downing elephants.
@@davyhotch I have videos coming talking about changes in god powers as well as new techs, there *are* a lot of differences. As for your example, Thor did get his unique tech replaced with something new, and god power tweaked
11:10 Does the cost reduction from monuments stacks, e.g. 4 monuments reduce 20℅?
Lets learn from Smite and just agree to call the egyptian lady Eset, it worked for them and their videos / streams im sure its going to work for us as well.
And major god Set should be renamed Sutekh to avoid confusion
good stuff 👍
I subbed. hope you do more aom stuff
I certainly will when the full game comes out!
Good job swyft👍
@@Hugobals swyft I hate you Pete 😭
I wonder why Odin has an axe instead of his Spear?
Carryover from the 2002 depiction
8:49 Smite renamed Isis into Eset, which is an older name for the goddess. That seems to be a reasonable decision to avoid having to censor the name every time.
Or just use the name and everyone forgets about the largely irrelevant group.
@@SolitaryLark That's not really an optio as long as the algorythm still demonitizes anyone who mentions that name.
@@Ungoliel. can’t demonetize us all
Tried to find that 8 hours stream I would watch it if you posted lol
It's on my Twitch! twitch.tv/swytyrant
It should still be up for a little while as a VOD
M...me atlantians. . . 😭
We’ll get there one day
Those zeus nerfs are really hard.
a.k.a Zeus was forced to wear the chastity belt
15:08 Actually, dwarfs/dwarves gather food and Wood 25℅ faster while in the original game they gathered them 10℅ slower.
So they gather everything faster now? Seems op.
@Mycenaea there's gotta be an error in the maths. I think the point of Thor's bonus is that his dwarves are less sucky at gathering food and wood than Odin/Loki dwarves but still worse/equal to regular gatherers
kind hope the portrait is L2D
The art looks something straight up from a mobile game and ai generated lmao
Greeks and Atlanteans are the same? Mythology wise!
@@stefanosauros Likely just a creative decision, the original devs wanting to use the titans as a separate pantheon in the game
Yeah 😊😊😊
Didnt the game used to have chinese?
The devs are reworking Chinese and they are going to be released as an expansion, to my understanding
The Chinese civilization is going to be the first expansion for Retold
The original devs didn't want to make Chinese for the remaster edition, it wasn't really their idea and was more so forced by the republisher. It's why it wasn't a good dlc. Im hoping they do good with making it their own, since it does sound fun.
@@jaredgagnon149 Chinese mythology has a lot of potential! It would be great to see Retold actually make something good out of it
Looks like general buff for Greeks, slight nerf and tweaks for Egyptian and Norse
Norse is buffed big time imo
I think hades might be a little stronger or at least have more utility but zeus nerfs i think are quite savage.
I didn't play a lot of online games in AoM, so I don't know how it is in comparison, Norse seems very strong though, especially with some of the god power changes that they got.
looks like AI art :(
Odin especially so.
Say this is babies first closed beta without saying this is babies first closed beta XD
To be honest, the more stuff I hear about this game this less I like
YAY! yet another rereales....... I blame all the people that are hyped for this shit, enough already
Brother, what is the problem? 💀20+ year old game I think it's alright for people to be hyped about a remake. It's also not even just re-release, they're completely remaking horrible old content (Tale of the Dragon expansion), and they're adding new content with at least one new expansion, as well as having official balance and maintenance for the first time in 4 years or smn.
@@swyte Or the can just make AoM 2 like they made AoE 4... with new civs and gameplay mechanics, instead we get same old game with some minor chnages/additions, and the problem is that aslong as people are hyped for this they will keep doing that
@@niatilevi9768 there will be new content. Atlanteans get more changes, hence they are not in the beta yet, Chinese get a complete rework, Freya will be added to the gods and a new faction will come out some time.
If they did the new content without bringing back the old content with QOL and graphic updates, it would suck.
You think you are saying something smart by demanding a new game instead of a rerelease, but they changed the graphics, the engine and some functionalities, so everything a new game would have but bring back the beloved content in addition to new content.
This is better than acting like we need to think about new factions and gods to enjoy AOM again
@@niatilevi9768 You use a bad example. AoE4 is meant to encompass new concepts, it’s a different time period than the other games, that’s why there’s different civs in it. That’s not the point of a remake, the point is to bring a game that people love back to life and give it a second chance, and build on what’s already there. I’m not sure what you base your negative view on remakes on, especially with this series, given the absolute resounding success of AoE2: DE. The revival of AoE2 blew that game up way beyond anything it’s ever seen before, and even as a remake it’s expanded so much from what it was before, there’s no reason to assume that can’t happen with a truly underrated but incredible game like Age of Mythology
@@niatilevi9768 as well, “minor changes and additions” does not even close to cover what they did to AoM even in the beta. I assume you haven’t played it, otherwise you’d know that 💀
autism is one hell of a drug, huh?
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@@swyte i reckon this in reference to the devs suffering severe ocd-autism changing everything about the game for no good reason
some portion of the changes are even justifiable, though
So based on the passive bonuses alone, I think both Loki and Ra are gonna be extremely strong compared to the rest.
Ra's economy will boom faster and harder than anyone else with a well-placed monument and good priest usage, I don't think anyone can keep up with his economy just based on his bonuses.
Loki's aggression will be extremely strong, fast and easy to pull off. With a massive 25% building speed he will be able to rush faster than anyone else, and summoning free myth units while harassing your enemy is very strong and very hard to deal with.
Lokis bonuses seemed very much placeholder, he's the only God out of all of them that got anywhere close to a 25% bonus and he got TWO 25% bonuses. They are probably experimenting with turning Loki into a faction that heavily focuses on rushing and early aggression. I expect one of those numbers to drop to 20% to fall in-line with other god bonuses and the other one to be 10 or 15%.
@@souvyqedmadjustments after more multiplayer matches happen is HIGHLY likely.
A friendly advice: in your future videos you might want to turn down the music significantly. It is very distracting and interferes in listening to what you are saying. I stopped listening after few minutes, and I was interested in the topic.
I'm never really satisfied with music volume in the videos I make, it's a tough balance to hit, the volume of these tracks were already turned down a lot fyi. People have also commented enjoying the music, so it's just a preference thing too