Xpeng will build VW EVs in China to cut costs by 50% and fix software issues
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- Xpeng will build VW EVs in China to cut costs by 50% and fix software issues
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Costs reduced by 50 percent! Retail price reduced by .50 cents!!!
WRONG
Yup, typical offshoring business model, lol.
That's funny but, likely true.
Huawei FSD is said to be the best in China. They are supplying their software to many auto companies. NIO also developed their own FSD.
ROFLOL!!!! Those cars are CRASHING left and right.
Said, yes, exactly, but badly, and this is against them, as they had like Xiaomi had, few accidents and problems... We do not speak of XNGP as it spares problems prevently and protects all road users, not only the owners...
If XPeng could achieve those kinds of cost reductions why are they not profitable?
The price war in China depresses the profit opportunity there.
XPNG can't do that himself,but VW can do it
xp has negative brand value
@haoruchen4216
The ID platform has a negative reputation. Ask those laid off software engineers.
VW and other legacy's EV cost is sky high
Xpeng is high
BYD is low as they manufacture everything in-house (from chip to motor and batteries)
This is just badge engineering, but this time around it,s the Germans acknowledging that the Chinese are the leaders in this field.
That just shows that Germans as a people are more practical and realistic than the Americans.
VW could bring their expertise in manipulating carbon emissions data
😂
Xpeng is the best brand in the world, they do not need this! They are the only factories not consuming any electricity they do not produce : the have solar panels on the roof of each factory and producre at least 120% of what their factory consumes each day! Xpeng is the only brand which has a AAA evaluation by international evaluation institutes for environment... Volkswagen cannot do better than them, and in contrary they use them, better than they used BMW Group technologies since 1994!
Thanks Xpeng for saving VW
VW is saving Xpeng too, it's a win-win situation because VW will be able to sell large volumes in markets where Xpeng is an unknown brand, and of course Xpeng will make a lot of money from that too.
😂
Tesla itself does not have the best self-driving tech in China, so why would Xpeng, who he said store from Tesla, have it? And by the way, Xpeng dont have the best self-driving tech in china, do more research before stating opinions. What that Tesla employee stole was the source code for autopilot, which is totally different from what Xpeng has; Xpeng's full self-driving tech is more advanced than Tesla FSD, which was never taken to China. So the analogy that xpeng is using tesla tech is total BS
Lol
@@tonypaca3015 according to your research who has better selfdriving than Xpeng? the reviews and videos of Xpeng on crowded city driving are impresive and much better to Tesla, and Xpeng seems to work on 500 cities and have developed some system to be able to add lots of cities rapidly. Thanks
VW will basically become Xpeng.
Probably the other way around, considering VW is a more recognizable brand. But the control might be Xpeng.
VW has no scruples. They will prostitute themselves to anything that keeps them alive. In the meanwhile they will screw over their vaunted German unions.
Wonder if Tesla will demand license fees outside of China for the stolen software used by Xpeng
@@Black_Sun_Dark_Star As a Chinese, I agree with you. If the cooperation goes well, VW may own more shares in XPENG in the future and even become its major shareholder. The same thing will happen with Stellantis and Leapmotor.
The true production cost for ev comes to the surface ❤❤❤
I am not waiting for VW. Xpeng G6 is soon here and if it's OK to drive I am buying one.
I think the Model Y is a better value
Strategic move to prevent EU tariffs.
Unfortunate that the ID3 is not slated to be sold in the United States at all. With the newer superior manufacturing and design it would be a good general-use smaller family car.
ID3 won't sell in the USA. This is why GM Discontinued the Bolt. This is why Toyota discontinued the Yaris, even the larger Corolla, which is Toyota's best selling worldwide car, doesn't sell very well in the USA despite being one of the cheapest. Americans would rather buy a large used car, vs a small new car.
@@TheCostofAutism , interesting take. I kid you not, but I bought 2 Bolts in the last year(my wife and I each drive one), and both of my ICE cars before that were Toyota Yaris. My boss now drives a compact Yaris. We must be outliers. That being said, the number of massive white trucks around here is inane. The kicker is that none of the people I know who own those large trucks do actual ‘truck-things’ with them. Incredible waste of gas. Maybe I just don’t get the truck thing. Especially when you don’t use it for work, recreation, or things or that nature.
I plan on buying the Kia EV5 in Canada we get $5000 off all Ev’s. Why? Built in China with the CATL gold battery which performs well in the cold.
Great, so we can expect the retail price of a VW to drop by 50% 😂 - won't hold my breath
Definitely not in America. The dealers here will find a way to artificially jack the price up. They're very good at that and have screwed me over twice by trying to inflate the price, within days before pickup, by tacking on a "market demand adjustment' at the last minute. I told both of them to kiss my ass and ended up buying a used model in fantastic condition for MUCH better price. As you can probably tell, I despise the sleaziness of most dealerships.
@@jasonmoquinduring the pandemic supply chain crises I bought a new car. One dealership wanted 6-8K above asking and added all these extra features that were already included in the base model, another dealership gave me exact book price. Who’s got my business next time? I hate scammers,,,
@@TheNewMediaoftheDawn , same here. Those dealerships, the same salesmen, had the nerve to call me months later and ask if I wanted one for a lesser adjustment fee. I told them, in no uncertain terms, that I will NEVER buy a vehicle at those dealerships ever again. Neither one was surprised by that. My guess is that they knew those shady practices had burned a lot of bridges. You reap what you sow.
Viking, glad to hear you articulating and shedding light on how the VW -XiaoPung is evolving.
We are all waiting for a Polo-sized 5-seater car for €25,000 (in Europe) as promised by VW by 2025. Hurry up, VW!
If you can't beat them, join them. A win-win solution.
VW has US$ 207.24 billion in long-term debt. Where does it get another US$ 20 billion from...if not from the German government...
Not a dime from the FED. WHEN Eventually all your cars are made in CHINA and only your corporate headquarters are in GERMANY
...from the same place they got the 207...finance sems to be your weak point...
How embarrassing for German software. Really. They had money and backing and totally messed up.
If the company goes broke or even if they just think your car is too old, no one will update the software. Try to start the car and see the dreaded words, please wait.
One day hopefully Xpeng will merge with VW
Great News!Two automakers making vehicles that are Smarter than People. :)
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The legacy makers have found a way to capitalize on their "good-will" branding. They are selling it to a Chinese company for a %. It's win-win.
VW could offer some mechanical expertise, technology, patents, brand rights and sales chain worldwide - and a key to EU market.
Xpeng doesn't really need VW to its expansion. Actually, it's VW who needs Xpeng to stay relevant.
All the production scale and components vertical integration is already being done - in most effective way in the world - by the Chinese.
AT 80. Xpeng has version 11 full self driving software. NOT A PROBLEM!
Good for VW. Good for the environment. Good for the world.
Maybe Xpeng will want to use VWs dealerships etc. Questionable value but it might get them into the US!
They use mostly BMW Group dealers : Emil Frey, not the bad AMAG!
I hope to see some new batteris also. NMC, LFP, Sodium SFP? Solids-state. And new batteries so you can have a state off charge under 5 % and above 90%.
I am hoping Xpeng G9 2025 will have an LFP battery (v.2) above 120 kW. Maby I hope too much?😊
Where stays the new model S and X
One thing they could get from VW is their IQ-lightning matrix headligts
Cheers mate
Makes me laugh that XPeng has Tesla's old code. We now know from watching Tesla's own development of it that this code can only get to level 3 autonomy at best. It will always have to have a driver handle uncodable edge cases.
VW is definitely getting a better self driving system for sure but it is subpar to the one Tesla has now and probably will be for many years until XPeng has followed Tesla's lead and created their own neural net driving system and gathered tons more data.
My guess is that VW will end up licensing Tesla FSD code from Tesla.
Tesla itself does not have the best self-driving tech in China, so why would Xpeng, who he said store from Tesla, have it? And by the way, Xpeng dont have the best self-driving tech in china, do more research before stating opinions. What that Tesla employee stole was the source code for autopilot, which is totally different from what Xpeng has; Xpeng's full self-driving tech is more advanced than Tesla FSD, which was never taken to China. So the analogy that xpeng is using tesla tech is total BS
@@tonypaca3015 Fair enough. In your opinion which car maker in China has the best self driving software?
@@nickmcconnell1291 huawei has. even nio got better scores than xpeng in recent tests
@@tonypaca3015 Thanks, I have seen no coverage on Huawei's self driving capability. I will investigate that.
The only one I have seen Viking talk about, unless I missed it, was XPeng's.
I had seen where BYD was investigating it but thought it almost impossible.
@@nickmcconnell1291 it’s on TH-cam. Just look for “huawei inside” y will see how far ahead they are. They invested a lot in that and now they are even using vision only systems for entry/base models
@ 2 : 12 definitely NOT th unboxed process a very long way from it
Great my kid would LUV a VWEV. I started on VW learning to drive. Lotsa nice room. Small nimble cars.
do you know anything about one car manufacturer using exro tech to reduce cost/more efficiency ? do you think that it can be a good strategy ?
The large touch screen control is an irritant at night. Tesla scrapped FSD and went with AI.
Xpeng i been watching them keeping a close eye on their stocks
Xpeng can use VW suspension tuning and dynamics
The 2024 versions of VW seem much better than earlier versions. I would like to have an ID.7 Tourer but with fast charging semi-solid state battery and four wheel steering like IM L6. The ID.7 is very comfortable, quiet, have HUD, AR, LiDAR, 360 cameras, parking sensors. I don’t know much about Xpeng, maybe they can make the software better and build it cheaper. Maybe they can make self driving work. The new Nio seems to have extremely good comfort and can go over 1000 km on one charge in real life, but I believe it’s very expensive. And even though Nio has 2400 battery swap stations in China, only 5 exist in Sweden. Tesla’s self driving does not work at all in Europe. And Tesla Vision is a joke compared to any car with 360 cameras, LiDAR and parking sensors. There are some cities that already have robo-taxis with Waymo system. So what can Xpeng really add, except what I already mentioned?
Yes they could use lot of Xpeng technologies since 2016, the problem is that the 2024 models of Volkswagen were made in 2021, while Xpeng is doing each month imprvement to their models, with a global standardized chassis, which is modular and which allows quick improvements when requested... The only problem is the programming, which does not respect EJFJ Corporation PSC proposition of SDC++ allowing auto-programming based on good experiments and EJFJ Cumulative Cleverness EJFJ allowing all customers to have all brands working for his security and pleasure, whatever car he bought! And we own only what we really benefit from, not what we paid for far too expensively!
Self driving is useless to me.
I have 2 vehicles and both if them I like to drive.
My jeep wrangler is a lot of fun in winter and off roading the rest if the time with the top down.
My car is a old 2 door coupe thats very peppy and fun to drive with 4 wheel steering (try to giess what it is its from 1992)
Wonder if its because the cars fall apart after purchase?
Most reviews show the frames or chassis are bendable with a hand wrench
Did you make review about the new Xpeng G6?
Good move. Chinese manufacturers need sales and servicing infrastructure in North America to survive. North American car companies need electric vehicles to sell [that are reliable undesirable] in order to survive. It seems a match made in heaven
i wonder how long it will be before these are being sold in America ✌
There are very bad regulations in USA, sparing very effective ADAS level 4.5 to exist, their rules limit to level 3.5 or so, as they pay nsurances and want accidents to allow hospitals and jails and polices to work! Americans are mad... So are Europeans, but all this is under constraint of the SFM:id2004 who invented this since year 523 more and more accurately, to allow all sort of wastings and risks, even if parents want the best for their children, so no wasting and no risk!
It is easy to reduce costd if paying your workers is optional not counting parts made by slaves.
FSD ,at least in the near future is the automotive version of russian roulette
Wages in India are much lower than those in China, but we don't see a large number of cars exported from India.
How does this help or hurt the American prouction line? only ID4 and not ID3 I would guess.
Xpeng probably did not use Tesla self driving software, but deconstructed it and identified the real issues and better ways to achieve better results. Don’t be surprised that theirs turns out to be the leader in this tech!
Xpeng is like a kid who steals a copy of your homework.
...put the pipe down, son...
Tesla itself does not have the best self-driving tech in China, so why would Xpeng, who he said store from Tesla, have it? And by the way, Xpeng dont have the best self-driving tech in china, do more research before stating opinions. What that Tesla employee stole was the source code for autopilot, which is totally different from what Xpeng has; Xpeng's full self-driving tech is more advanced than Tesla FSD, which was never taken to China. So the analogy that xpeng is using tesla tech is total BS
50% cheaper in China like all other BYD cars, but ot here!!
If I were the CEO of Xpeng, would I want to have a deep partnership with a company with that much debt ... ?
Why can't VW just get the vehicles from VW and re-badge it for markets outside of China. This is what legacy models have always done. Example: Holden and Vauxhall.
What?
Great marriage for now! Quality for a price is what its all about. Where theres a market, there will be a smart way to win or a smart workaround to win. China built / Legacy brand continues. Efficient all AI robotics is advancing rapidly and will replace cheap manufacturing labor.
We shipped all manufacturing to China they make great cars.
...sure, Chang...
So the Aussie is bashing Volkswagen again.
Saying Volkwagen is not building good EVs or is not evolving is simply showing you having a massive bias.
The new ID7 is an amazing car and the 4.0+ Software is so far away from what you had in the ID3s, it's not even funny.
Go watch Chris from Carmaniac Videos about the ID7 and the new Tourer. He provides subtitles.
Volkswagen has proven to listen to critics and to be willing and able to evolve very rapidly.
Go and watch some of the videos and then come back and say what you just said again with a straight face.
Designed and engineered by VW, built by Chinese robots and employees. . . I’m OK with that if the cost to Canadians is affordable!
All these so called savings, and Australia doesn’t get to see them
Did anyone not see this coming from 100 miles away?
It is a very Good Idea ,for instance look at The Beautiful Hyundai EV5 ,it now the most affordable EV 🚗 in the World or in China a may say ,due to it quality, size and beauty ,$20.700 Dallars in CHINA ,,,it is made in China even though it is Korean,,Xpeng design beautiful EVs 🚗 ,I know so deliver ,love the Xpeng G6 ,beautiful EV🚗 .
EVs have about 2000 fewer parts than ICE cars so you would expect them to be cheaper to make. The only reason they would not be is if you don't have the competency or made a bad deal on batteries.
Tesla 48V
Creative solution for VW
EV technology is an evolutionary work in progress, which is why costs are falling as EV models are refined. That said reliance on any Chinese technology is a major security risk and threat.
I think China is not a threat to anyone at all, in fact you are the threat because they like to play with sanctions and blockades with a lot of evidence 😂😂😂
and when these china made VW EVs are ready, it would be fun to see whether US tariffs would be applicable to them also......... that at least will create some rift between US and Germany
What will happen is that more and more US allies will distance themselves from the US
So if VW is becoming chinese through production, there is no more good reason anymore to not buy chinese cars for chinese prices here in Germany instead of expensive Volkswagen cars for german prices.
Government…
Report finds Tesla's autopilot connected to more crashes and fatalities than previously reported
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What happened?
So…………if this does happen will they use Xpeng’s tech and build in the US to get the tax rebate?
Wow, so now China "essentially owns/controls" VW, Mini, Volvo, ...
We need US, Japan, and EU manufacturing!
Well done to European Governments , the EU and Unions. Together you’ve destroyed auto manufacturing in Europe.
I am not thrilled about VW becoming Xpeng. The new ID7 has gotten great reviews. Even the new software for the infotainment system was praised as one of the best in the market. So it would surprise me if they were to use Xpeng software for the infotainment.
Xpeng is only for two interim models in China until the new VW platform is ready. The VW car in Europe will not be impacted. They already have cars on the PPE platform such as the Macan which is getting rave reviews with good range and ultra-fast charging (close to 2x as fast as a Model Y 10%-80%)
Hilarious Porsche aka Xpeng
The new VW collaboration xpeng will sell a lot in china as its still regarded as a top german brand,.
Xpev stock has been beaten down bad.
At 2:10 Here you have, DEI at your service. Maybe that's the reason why VW cars are not the same German tanks they were 40 years ago...
funny, in the US during the WW2 era, women were on the assembly lines supporting the war effort and contributed greatly to our success.
@@thomaswojcik5858 +
"Funny"... that young woman is still unable to use a tool, even after your comment. Besides, I'm speaking about THAT young woman, and NOT all the women. Your is the typical Marxist-Critical-Social-Justice Warrior comment. Wake up.
A what ?
@@thomaswojcik5858
It doesn't mean that everibody, men or women, are capable of using tools, Polish boy
Let me know when they get it to about $24000 to $28,000.
German car industry is toast.
Two turkeys don’t make an eagle. Xpang is currently not profitable.
Even if it works (very unlikely) how long will the Chinese feel like carrying VW?
GM next.
Why would Xpeng make EVs for VW? Xpeng must be introuble.
Huawei and xpeng are the best...dont discount the likes of xiaomi catching up quickly...geely owns meizu phone brand (polestar is about to release a new phone)
Xpeng cars are better than the VW. I wander who needs whp...🤔
Wonder which year tesla will start buying legacy brand names?? 2026?😮
XPeng becomes VW => People bought VW (except some countries VW is not exist or almost not exist)
VW becomes XPeng => People bought VW (except some countries VW is not exist or almost not exist)
So XPeng should enter VW Group universe. NOT VW Group universe enter XPeng and making XPeng a new universe like Geely Holding or Stellantis.
This should be for chinese market only, definitely.
Would a self-driving car stop for a chick? In my area there are many loose chickens with chicks on the local roads.
Of course, Xpeng recognizes adults and and small ones... The two front speakers of the G9 can talk with them, giving them instructions on how to cross or not cross the road!
It is clear why VW has given up on German-based manufacturing, but it is a sad indictment of VW's and in general, Germany's lack of investment in the software, programming, and the greater Digitalisation of the country, that they also leave the software development to the chinese!
It was being said over 12 years ago, but there was no political or industry will to 'change a working system' !
Such hubris and lack of foresight is typical of Germany, and the industrial unions have always been totally against change!
Additionally, whereas start-up culture in the USA is borne from 'out-of-the-box' thinking, to make radical innovations and market disrupters; Germany is a society plagued by over-regulation and a culture of why have only one rule when you can have 10!
Whilst over-regulation generated top quality equipment for the last 80 years, and countries were happy to pay the cost because no-one else could achieve the same quality; the world has moved on a few evolutionary steps, but Germany hasn't!
With VW's market share crashing in China and the USA, I don't see them being able to service their $200B of debt in the next 3-5 years because their long term cradit rating will HAVE to be downgraded after 2026!
More of the world GDP runs on German software than any other countries...
Xpeng even just looks better than VW too....
Xpeng is amazing, but no brand value. VW made a brilliant choice.
With stolen Tesla software
@0:40 _Is it good?_ I bet that they'll think that anything that helps *VW* off of their knees is a good thing.
Will some form of *VW* actually survive? That depends on how _stubborn_ the *Germans **_aren't._*
The German is unlike the Japanese.😂😂
2026 will be too late for VW using a Xpeng former platform ... VW group with still Big mistakes !!
Xpeng will offer them upgrades, they are not incorrect!
I thought BYD would be the first manufacturer to lease FSD. It turns out that Xpeng is actually the first to adapt FSD by theft!
Don’t worry about Germany. It has already been de industrialized by US. So a lot of German businesses will need to move to be competitive. And China has the full supply chain and cheap energy. May be a flying Volkswagen soon.
Germany was losing their car industry regardless. They can't compete against China's scale.
Chinese sourced graphite is an environmental disaster.. why have EVs if the battery uses synthetic graphite..
why not simple buy from BYD and put your label on it.. everyone would be happy
No. The model is to be exclusive for VW, not rebadging Chinese cars.
Of course 😂 vw is SO far behind in EVs, they will never catch up.
Right, that is why the new Macan, Q6 and Taycan are some of the best EVs on the road....
Tesla itself does not have the best self-driving tech in China, so why would Xpeng, who he said store from Tesla, have it? And by the way, Xpeng dont have the best self-driving tech in china, do more research before stating opinions. What that Tesla employee stole was the source code for autopilot, which is totally different from what Xpeng has; Xpeng's full self-driving tech is more advanced than Tesla FSD, which was never taken to China. So the analogy that xpeng is using tesla tech is total BS
Thank you, VW, for busting the myth about German Engineering
doesn't matter how cheap they make them for Europe, we will be even poorer due to our car industry being decimated so we're still not gonna be able to buy them.
Keep thinking like this and you will probably be heading to Canada for MAID.
Europe is deindustrialising.
Thanks to the brilliant decision not to buy cheap Russian gas but hyper expensive US lng.
Also, the US inflation reduction act is just the nail in the coffin…
Good luck using Tesla’s old hardcoded FSD software. There’s a good reason why Tesla switched to AI based FSD.
Xpeng is based on EJFJ Cumulative Cleverness, Tesla robbed AI with other pirat American companies, and blocked EJFJ humano-normed Reforms, allowing roads to be identifiied clearly for what they are made for! Xpeng is moch on advance, Tesla is betting on cameras partial view, they did a fantastic work with only bad sensors, Xpeng uses much better ones, much more informations to treat, but still not the most accurate ones given by EJFJ Positive Contextualisation (reading micro-magnetic micro-chips fluctuations based on relative moments) and EJFJ Positive Communications given by all electronical or computer systems, those of street lamps for example, whi can detect which vehicle is moving, and give them informations if they need to pass on the right or less, and how far from this street lamp! This easy method was blocked was blocked since February 1994...
You do realize multiple other players have been using AI-based driving systems before Tesla. XPeng announced they were moving to that in 2022
@@speedismyfriend Exactly, EJFJ Positive Contextualisation is still blocked, but was introduced on February 4th, 1994. It has been blocked by the SFM:id2004 but Elon Musk and othersparodied it badly, to make Artificial Intelligence, while EJFJ Cumulative Cleverness is not well respected... I talked few minutes ago with 2 bus drivers in Lausanne, who aggreed that risk management (as Tesla does) is not cleverness, but the contrary... Following a road is not due to cleverness, but to necessity ! But roads should be clearly identified by few lanthanid atoms showing it is a flat way, made for a certain type of vehicle, so useable by any smaller one... But the first there is prioritary but needs to assume occupying the place uncorectly blocking others vehicles moving conveniently... The 5 priority levels, are defined on usability and EJFJ Cumulative Cleverness to allow all vehicles existing together securely... Identifying such roads cost from 0.5 $ up to maximum 3$ per kilometer, so this is much more efficient than any other type of visual indications that computer system can hardly understand when conditions are not optimum after a natural disaster... And such disasters should be spared... Tesla is achieving good things, when the weather is convenient and the light is sufficient... But it cannot see what is hidden behind a wall, EJFJ Positive Contextualisation does this, and spare any risks, even those which killed few Tesla owners who encountered an accident... Now Tesla is following Xpeng, for years, since 1996 at least, but before this they followed BMW Group, Mercedes Benz, and others brands, and just took lot of risks trying things others did not dare to try! But they robbed the ideas of some of your 17 Public Services Companies, which are still partially parodied and blocked (Bill !T, Staff COM Mobility PSC and Mail Direct International PSC notably... Because of Tesla and fake partners but real opponents, we are far from perfection, while we should all collaborate effectively to try reaching it better and better... Not each of us by holing a driving wheel in the hands even if we do not have any effort to do to turn it... But it still needs to be turned usefully, at any moment, and this needs to be warrantied to all, and not be managed partially by all, and assumed by those who create wasteful and dramatic accidents which should never be accomplishable...
Viking, a Tesla employee did this about 5 years ago, not Xpeng. Case is settled. What's more do you really think just having Tesla's code from 2019 can get a company to FSD? Tesla is just now, many iterations later, getting close to FSD. Maybe it helped with some basic direction, but, the bulk of the work is Xpeng's 5 years later.
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