Honestly no one should hate another person. In the Bible fornication and homosexuality are mentioned in the same verse but no one hates people that are sexually active outside of marriage. While yes obedience to God brings protection from many things, we weren’t ever given the authority to condemn, or judge. We’re taught to love everyone and preach the good news that God has in store. How people react to that good news and what decisions they make regarding what God requires is up to them, but it’s not for us to condemn them.
Bea Harris is an amazing woman. Even though her own family & friends disowned her she still brought her brother home and nursed him. What a wonderful sister.
Linda Ellerbee was such a huge part of my childhood with _'Nick News'_ in the 1990s. Brings back memories to see her hosting this episode and hear her instantly recognizable voice, She handles all of these sensitive topics with such grace. Sad documentary.
Linda was an excellent journalist. When she was battling breast cancer my mother was also. They passed away within a month of each other. They are both missed very much xo
@@illbeyourstumbleine Maybe you're thinking of when Linda Ellerbee *retired,* in 2015? 'Cause she's definitely still alive: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linda_Ellerbee
As a nurse, I have unfortunately been there when someone was diagnosed with HIV or Hep. C. I'll never forget the look of terror and hurt on their faces. Y'all, please be safe.
None of these people deserved to die like this. They didn’t do anything that anyone else was doing. So many generations of artists and beautiful people gone. Such a deep loss. Imagine losing all of your best friends and love of your life and no one cared. The grief, the ptsd that these people who survived suffer from is horrific by itself. My goodness
That was so beautifully said. So true. I can't imagine how hard it must've been to have experienced loss on that level. Many survivors equate it to war. It was a war that was fought with an enormous amont of casualties and no one cared. Just devastating.
@@LaLagunz187 Me too. And so angry that I have to force myself to think of something else. I think of my friends and loved ones needlessly dying a horrible death at a young age while our government sits back and ignores it and what something like that must feel like. I don't think I have half the strength it would take to endure it. I'm in awe of what this community did to help eachother when no one else would. It's truly nothing short of amazing to me. If it hadn't been for groups like ACT UP, GMHC, and many more, we would have lost even more beautiful souls.
@@soft_serve_666 Im not sure if you have Instagram, but there is a page on there called The Aids Memorial, OMG, you could sit on there for hours reading the stories of each person they post and what they went through, it so emotional
Karen Jones Yes you are right, but it is important to argue using the truth and not saturate it with doom and gloom, which is exactly what I see going on here. There is a middle of the road, and people far too often swing too far one way. Of course it is better to be HIV negative than HIV positive. Aside from the few disturbed, everybody on the planet knows that. It is such common knowledge, it goes without saying. Having to take medication isn’t as ideal as being healthy without medication. That is also a “no duh” statement. However, it is only with HIV that people start squawking about “the drugs.” By and large, we do not say that same crap to people needing meds for diabetes, high blood pressure, high cholesterol, etc. Face it, people talk about the big bad drugs of HIV mostly because there is still a stigma attached to HIV. A stigma that just does not exist with diabetes, hypertension, hypercholesterolemia, etc. Middle ground is important: no one should be blasé about HIV either. It is important for people to prevent getting it. The drugs are expensive and have risks too. They also can fail to work effectively for some people. Nonetheless, the stigma of HIV needs to stop. It just alienates people. It doesn’t help anybody. That’s why I post what I post.
Whether it is or isnt a death threat, i dont want it. Drugs are too damn expensive. The ppl treating it like it is nothing are the ppl that 1. Dont have it and are gum flapping. Or 2. The ppl who can afford to take all them pills. It is a threat to ppl with no healthcare...not everybody can keep their load undetectable..so i agree with you..it is still a threat
@@serenitynowyolo yes sadly it is still a death sentence to many long term survivors. I just buried my beloved uncle 2 years ago. He was diagnosed in 1994. He did everything he could to live but sadly we lost him. Yes people are living longer and healthier lives, however people are still dying from this every single day. For them and their loved ones this is very real and each life is one too many. I hate the message "It isn't a death sentence anymore " I get giving hope to people who have HIV, but they already know the stats. What people are really doing with that statement whether they know it or not is giving this new younger generation less fear of the disease. That's why we are seeing a rise in new infections for the first time in a long time. Yes the drugs these days do save lives, however they are very expensive and have a ton of side effects. You can also start to become resistant. After decades on them especially, that's what happened to my uncle. That's what happens to many long term survivors. So when you tell a 18 year old kid fear not, and they listen, you are taking away many healthy years from them....don't do that. It is a very dangerous message you are spreading whether you know it or not, well you know it now, it's whether you listen to all of us telling you or not. I say all of this with love and loss in my heart, not with any hate at all. We have been through too much for all of that. Too much hate from everyone else to throw it at each other.
It has always fascinated me how quickly people show their true colors in the face of adversity...YES, AIDS victims were treated horribly by many but there were also a lot of regular people who stood up in the face of fear...history will remember 🙏
Yes yes yes. You speak the truth. Many people have more fear and hatred than empathy and compassion. They lack humanity. In times of crisis, all is revealed.
Look at how people throw tantrums about wearing masks . The problem is that its not for their safety but for everyone else . People are so self centered thaat even 1, 000, 000 people dead from Covid means nothing to them . They cannot be motivated for the greater good . Always they ask " Whats in it for me ." .
@@TragicallyDelicious exactly. I had my mom till I was 42 and dad till I was 38. I feel like an orphan these days at 46. Not having a partner and siblings makes it even worse.
I was born in 1971, grew up during this pandemic . Unfortunately we thought we were invincible due to our youth. Majority of my friends including myself never used protection. And it was just a sheer blessing we all walked away without contracting HIV. We were 100 percent irresponsible looking back now. My heart goes out to all the people who lost this battle ❣️
If you are straight it’s almost impossible to catch a JV. CDC has a list thing it’s one and 900. If you sleep with an HIV infected woman 900 times the chances are you will probably not catch it. Unless you have sores on your dick
Soo sad That woman had to deal with all that stigma with friends & even family! 😪 Back then,HIV/AIDS a “death sentence” & created a sheer panic throughout rural America.
Beth Meyers You are right about that. It did ease up in metropolitan areas though, yet the hysteria dragged on in less populated areas. By the mid-80s, some funeral homes in large cities accommodated people who died of AIDS while many places elsewhere had no such accommodation. AIDS wards and hospices started to open up in the large areas, while elsewhere, there was no where for sufferers to go. Organizations like GMHC, ACT UP, and the ACLU, worked to protect sufferers in NY and CA (and then other large areas with a large population of sufferers) that just were not available elsewhere. Living in s rural area made a huge difference regarding bigotry, isolation, and a lack of medical care. So I get what the OP is saying. You’re right too that it was still terrible everywhere in most ways. Landlords still tried to evict those with AIDS, many medical professionals still didn’t want to treat patients, even in NYC, San Fran, and LA. The average citizen, even in those areas still subscribed to hysteria which led to persecution. So it was horrible everywhere for a long time, but rural areas truly were the worst (and still are, truth be told).
His mother is so ignorant. Precious child.RIP warrior child.All he wanted was someone to cry on and love and take away that pain and his feelings and his mother and brother is sad. Hope is is making that suit for someone else. RIP.
I hope his parents have changed since this time. They didn't know any better. Their churches told them that homosexuality was a sin. They place so much trust in the church and it must have been impossible to see a world where the church was wrong. RIP Vincent. What a beautiful soul.
@@KellyODo this story times a million over...while other churches advised against using contraception, “AIDS is bad, but not quite as bad as condoms are bad”. And yet, people think these institutions are a force for good?! It’s baffling.
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RIP to anyone who lost their battle🙏🏽❤️ please people be careful and use protection and if you do do drugs always use safe clean needles. We need to stop this horrible disease. Peace to everyone
History repeats repeats and repeats... Pay attention everyone.... WITHOUT THAT FIRST COURAGEOUS PERSON TO STAND UP FOR 'RIGHT' ALL THE OTHERS WOULD JUST SIT AND NOTHING WOULD BE DONE. THANK YOU BEA!
Something about Vincent was so special 🫶🏼❤🫶🏼 God does not punish with sickness-You Vincent are a BEAUTIFUL SOUL!!!! May you continue to rest next to our lord & savior 🙏🏼 R.I.P to all those who are now gone but not forgotten ❤
My God, we must never forget the abhorrent treatment of AIDS patients in the early part of the epidemic. This can & WILL happen again someday with another disease, and when it does we must be ready to treat the situation with informed caution & empathy, not heinous cruelty.
This comment was a year ago. Before covid became mainstream. Its so many heroes in this. I watch alot of 80s documentaries. Love is never with conditions and if everyone had that mentality . This world would be a better place. Ive been binge watching. Stories of aids in the 80s. Just watching couples and innocent ppl. Deal with aids the fear . Now we have covid. Tender touch goes along way. God be with us❤❤❤❤❤.You always send us light in times of darkness.This video is clear alot of ppl are beautiful spirits.❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤.
I lived in A suberb of Indianapolis in 1984 when I contracted HIV. I KEPT it totally secret and didn't share it with anyone. I was 15 and a freshman in high school. I was a swimmer and continued to swim even tho i was positive. It was a mind fuck. Its 2024 today. I made it. Odds were against me ...
May I ask which suburb of Indianapolis? For several years now I have been doing work to better understand Ryan White and the early days of the HIV/AIDS epidemic. I'm actually in a dispute with some who claim Ryan's legacy was education. They present Ryan as if he taught the world to love and then there was no more fear or discrimination of people living with HIV/AIDS. Yet there were so many examples even after Ryan's famous funeral in Indianapolis where people with HIV/AIDS did continue to suffer quite badly. Including another "innocent" victim Paige Rawl who experience much of the same abuse growing up in Indianapolis. To say nothing of gay men who continue to be blamed for a disease where they continue to be the largest group impacted in the U.S.
Мы с мамой недавно поймали ВИЧ,нет я не родился с этим,сейчас девочки гулящие,хоть и есть ребёнок и тихая,но у нас говорят в тихом омуте черти водятся,а моя мама вышла замуж за богатого и такой сюрприз,моя мама гадалка,он пришёл к ней погадать и как-то полюбили друг друга.У нас в городе где я родился даже в наши дни боятся к таким как мы даже подойти,в больших городах нормально относятся,а в маленьких городах и деревнях и сёлах боятся даже подойти.У меня соседка гуляет с таксистами,хотя муж её полицейский,но он тоже ей изменяет,у нас полицейские гуляют от жëн.У них дети,она тоже тихая и молчаливая,но в тихом омуте...Так что там ВИЧ тоже не за горами.Мы живём на 2города,и принимаем лечение и всё у нас хорошо.Про эту болезнь мы особо никому не говорим.Хотя я знаю Чарли Шин тоже ВИЧ инфецирован и тоже всё хорошо у него,у нас один актёр боялся потерять работу и умер от этой болезни в наши дни.
What scares me is that in 2024-- well into the 21st Century and people are still so ignorant about HIV. I had a neighbor who got HIV years ago when he lived in San Francisco. And when people who were suppose to be his friends found out, first of all, it took them a grand total of 30 minutes to spread it all throughout the complex. And he wasn't invited to eat with them anymore. They'd have dinners weekly where everyone would bring a dish-- his invitations stopped abruptly. And when the whole building got together for some holiday celebration, a bunch of them were warning everybody, "Mike cooked the (whatever it was) DON'T touch it". That just angers me to no end 🙄😡
It's mind blowing how ignorant people were, and how very cruel. Thank God so much progress has been made in society, and medically. HIV is no longer a quick, horrific, death sentence.
You would’ve acted the same way if you would’ve saw how these people looked and didn’t know how it was transmitted. Nobody trust the government because they were known to lie and nobody really knew the hard facts
@@derrickclark5364 Pose will concluded with this final season (this season 3). It seems when the awareness of HIV/AIDS is a main topic on a television series (like HBO's The Deuce) the network pulls the plug on the TV series. I know this virus is somewhat manageable BUT this virus will still take you if not properly medicated, and while female to male HIV transmission is 0.005%, male to male and male to female is considered high risk if the person with HIV is not properly medicated. I think there needs to have and HIV/AID based cable channel that showcase HIV/AIDS related films and TV series and HIV/AIDS related news.
@@Mr.Majestic77 , it's called a condom. Why is that so hard to understand? There is also PREP! No one should be getting this virus with Prep, Pep and most importantly condoms. IV drug users need to use clean needles and don't share with anyone!
Unless you were there in the early years and witnessed this viral hollocaust you have no idea what terror is. This kid just wanted to know he was loved before he left this f#!*@& up planet. People were so ignorant back then because they chose to be. Families disowned thier children and never saw them buried. Definately the saddest part of the 80's. God bless him.
I really will never understand the parents who did that to their sons because they were gay. There is nothing that could make me turn my back on either my son or my daughter. They do not deserve the title "parent"!
@@darcylkc I agree. I watched all this go down in real time. It was not unusual for parents to disown their gay children. It is and always was horrifying. What happened to unconditional love? It was beyond comprehension- watching people be ostracized, suffer, and, eventually, die- from a terrifying and unpredictable illness- while people spit on them and shunned them. Human cruelty knows no bounds.
@@yesterdayitrained I was only 9 years old when the epidemic started. I do remember seeing news on Ryan White and the Rays. It was so awful! But hearing a parent say it’s harder knowing their son is gay than knowing they’re going to die is just beyond belief. As a parent I will never turn my back on either of my kids. Unconditional love-those people don’t know the meaning of it, they shouldn’t have had children. 🥺
His family didn’t disown him. They were ignorant about homosexuality and AIDS but they loved him and still do to this day. The majority of people I’ve witnessed disowning their gay sons were white, conservative assholes.
High school kids are so naïve. The girl said You wouldn’t know who your boyfriend has previously had sex with unless that girl comes to you and tells you. That’s not possible in adult life. In high school it is.
It’s important to get tested because if you have doubts and you are hiv positive the longer you put of treatment the closer every day you get to a nasty aids related sickness that could permanently damage you or kill you
So sad. Vincent's mom makes me feel so depressed. The cops that tortured that man should be sued, disgusting. It doesn't matter if they were scared or not, they should treat a human with compassion but we're talking about cops here so what do you expect
I'm early into this show and must say I love the police chief and his family. And I admire and love their church because, I see black and white people together as it should be. At the end of the day WE ARE HUMANS AND THAT'S IT!!!
Valincia Pruitt exactly!! My family is mixed and I have the most beautiful grandchildren in the entire world. The world is it in black-and-white but it’s so colorful and if people would just open our hearts & minds, and shut their mouth‘s, it would be a much better place to live.
Valincia Pruitt God tells us to love one another as he loves us. I don’t see so much of that in this world even though people seem to talk about it. When people are nice to me I often times have to ask myself what they really want out of it and especially if it’s a man! It’s sad that I have to be that way but I had been diagnosed with lupus since I was 33 & RA by 37. Good garage I’ve heard enough ugly to last a lifetime and even though my dad helped tremendously he would get tired and grouchy. My mother criticized and criticized and didn’t understand the disease was, but boy she knew what pain was when she got sciatica and then inevitably cancer. That’s when she finally apologized to me seven years later! My kids treated me like crap up until I was feeling a little bit better after changing rheumatologist and I went to nursing school because I was cast out of the legal profession. I work as a nurse part time & i’ve been on Social Security since 2005. My kids think that I have nothing because I don’t have that much money and their dad is a PA and PhD. Blah blah blah. I say that in sarcasm because when we separated he had nothing to do with those kids until well after they were 18., we split up and my kids were 4 & 7. He did not even tell the kids he was getting remarried in 2000 but yet now they think he’s golden. They are gonna learn because their dad is just the way he is and it’s just him. My daughter is exactly like him! Actually my daughter is worse. She is so selfish and God has his way of dealing with people like that. My son has been about 20% helpful whenever he wants to be but his wife is not. She comes from a family that has spoiled her and she doesn’t know what it’s like to share. I stay to myself because if I have to be around my children it’s really aggravates me where it used to break my heart. The father that turned his back on them when they were little and didn’t even want to pay more than 300 a month child support when the judge ordered him to pay 800, and their dad was selfish and everything was about him and for me everything was about the kids & my family. I don’t like to be smothered but I do love my family and I respected my parents. my kids think I don’t have anything to give because I’m only working part time now as an RN but what I don’t really realize is that I’ve got a malpractice lawsuit because the doctors almost killed me and your and a half ago with sepsis and kidney failure. It won’t surprise me if they start coming around after that but it’s too late. My son will do the right thing for family if he absolutely has to but boy he’s not nice about it. What’s wrong with people? They worship money and things. They’ll find out because God has his ways. You are such a kind person and I keep praying that one day we will all come together as human beings and then I see families not get along and wonder if it will ever be that way & perhaps I’m too optimistic to realize the truth. There’s already so much hatred in the USA amongst political parties. That’s absolutely ridiculous because if we were attacked by a terrorist country or someone else tomorrow, We would be banded together like brother and sister just like after 9/11/01. This is just your classical case of American dysfunctional families. God bless us all and God help us all... God help those who suffer and God help those who really need the most.
So very true Mrs. Pruitt! God never meant for us to be separated or to have hate for anyone. We are supposed to love our neighbors as we love ourselves. How and why has people forgotten this? God bless you.
I don’t have aids, but I did experience the same exact thing this past year 2023 experience discrimination because I am legally blind and have a guy dog. I was turned down and rejected from a nursing home as soon as they found out later found out it was actually two. I’m now stuck with thousands of dollars in bills. I’ve contacted the nursing home twice now even writing the owner Still going to a nursing home it simply threw me in my house and told me to wait till the next day to go to the bathroom with. Maybe the nurse would arrive. The doctor said why don’t you look at what nurse is doing I explained him I am totally blind , how can I will myself to see.
I have a weakness for trans women...i need to watch this when i get the urge....even with prep i do not need any of this shit in my life....as well as all the other std s ......40 mins of sex is not that important in the long run
Vincent's father James Crawford passed away in 2010. Vincent wasn't even mentioned in his father's obituary when they listed the family members who preceded him in death. Smh I believe that no good mother had something to do with Vincent not being mentioned. Vincent's father showed more compassion for him than she did.
That is so heartbreaking to hear!! All these years later and she left her son, the son she brought into this world, out of the obituary for his father? SMDH!! 🥺
I knew Vincent’s family. It wasn’t the mother who didn’t include Vincent’s name. It was one of his older brothers. Stop assuming shit about people you don’t know. His mother was ignorant during his illness but had a complete change of heart at his bedside and going forth. Stfu
I could only imagine the hurt Ryan White had to endure during his battle with this illness, RIP to our friends and family we have lost throughout the years. No one deserves to be treated with such evil with in our communities
Wow, I still can’t get over the segregation and hate towards people with AIDS...I was in hospital pharmacy through the 80’s and saw many patients with the disease. Never did we feel we were at risk when being around them. I guess that’s because we were informed enough about how it was contracted and we took precautions. We know a lot more now and that is fantastic...but the stigma is still there. Do not judge others, be kind...it may be the only love that person may receive. AIDS is not a death sentence now so many will be in your world, love can speak volumes. ❤️
Virginia Miko I was diagnosed with systemic lupus in 2001 and rheumatoid arthritis and 2005. I have autoimmune diseases that run in my family. Because of my disability I wasn’t able to continue working my law firm job as an associate, and let me tell you people judged me every which way they could and then some. My own mother and even the people with whom I worked. They didn’t fire me at work because I had done nothing to be fired but they made me so miserable that I resigned. My office had been downstairs and when I return back to work after being out for a week following an injury, & returning back to work for about four days until I blared up and the doctor took me out again for another week and a half, The senior partners gave my office to someone else! When I went back to work around 11 June, they put in my office upstairs. It was heartbreaking because I had a back injury with lupus and I had to walk upstairs and it was excruciatingly painful. . I can understand how these people felt. I worked with going up and down stairs, despite my occupational doctor telling me to stay off of stairs following my office injury when I slid on THEIR Hard wooden back stairway. It was awful because they knew if they fired me I could have a chance that Worker’s Compensation benefits. I didn’t even have anything that was communicable but they treated me like dirt and then I heard the flak from my mother and my oldest child. I was then and I’m so over it even 18 years later. I did switch doctors and I ended up returning to work in 2011. thank God!! At that time I was still very hurt and I didn’t wanna go back to the law firm because of the way I was treated and I certainly wouldn’t gone back there. I actually went to Orange school believe it or not and worked in nursing for a while and I hope to stay there as long as I can even if part time. My heart broke when I heard that Freddie Mercury had aids and passed away from it. Soo sad & so so many people had to suffer with that.
@@mjeffries4749 We're not talking about people that are segregated because of skin color. We don't need to think about then while watching this video . This video is about AIDS patients ONLY!
@@mjeffries4749 I think what Byron was trying to say was, stay on topic. I understand why you made the comment you made, but it implicitly downplays what people who had HIV and AIDS suffered through in those early years- and up to today. Many of those infected with HIV had brown and black skin. Imagine being part of one of those groups, and add a physically debilitating illness- where you become so ill, you are completely at the mercy of those around you, good or bad. And their stigma, hate, and fear surrounds you.
Okay... I can kind of understand people being hesitant to interact with people that have Aids, just because back then we didn't know enough about it, even now it's not talked about enough and misinformation runs rampant. But I in no way shape or form will ever understand why someone would burn down someone's home over them having Aids.
People in general will more times than not be a pretty big disappointment. Doesn't surprise me at all.... probably someone assuming it was only a gay man disease and burned down a house out of hate...
Obironnkenobi people thought back then you could get it from going to school with people who had it or touching them. They thought you could get it from sharing drinks and food. Just sad ! They kicked hemophiliac children out of schools because they got AIDS From contaminated blood because they had to get blood transfusions all of the time and the people that donated the blood had the HIV virus- most of them were needle drug users. Sad! We knew by 1984 or 1985 that HRV was not passed by cancel contact whatsoever and that it was an STD. They started testing the blood supply in 1985 as well. HIV contaminated blood was removed from supply & testing was enacted before giving blood so they would not take blood from anyone who is HIV-positive. In 1983 they figured out what the disease was ; in 1984 they had a test. 1985 they knew it wasn’t by casual contact and they cleaned out the blood supply for transfusions and started testing donors for HIV. They had shows on 60 minutes every month telling people it wasn’t a casual contact disease but STD, needle drug users, etc.. & people could get it through heterosexual or homosexual contact. I’ve never heard of women giving it to women because they don’t do what men do when they are gay. The ironic thing is that during Ronald Reagan’s administration they cut funding for the CDC and the people working there didn’t have the money to travel to do research to find out what his disease was and where came from. With the money they had, they kept every staff member on so no one would lose their job and they all worked and worked to see if they could find out what it was; and they had no travel to go anywhere in the world to see if other people had this. After rock Hudson died in 1985 former actor and then President Ronald Regan donated so many millions of dollars to AIDS Research but it really was nothing compared to the amount they would spend on war and everything else. George Bush was in from 88 to 1992 and when Bill Clinton took office in 1992 the CDC was given back their money and they went to Africa. HIV originated in Africa! These people could’ve known that eight years before if they would’ve only had the money. The disease came from monkeys that the hunters would get their blood mixed with monkeys blood during hunting. It was really easy to do if the hunter in advertently even cut themselves slightly after hunting an infected monkey.. The Monkees had the virus but they didn’t develop into AIDS Like humans do. These hunters would go home and be with their wives and their wives would get HIV and they would have babies born with HIV. Before 1985, The world health organization would give massive vaccinations to millions of children in Africa to help prevent them from getting tetanus diphtheria pertussis, etc.. goodness gracious all that did was cause that disease to spread like wild fire because these nurses were using the same needles in this Third World country!! All of these poor little children probably age 2 or three up to 15 or 16 we’re getting HIV. Subsequently, many of the hunters would leave their homes and go to work in mines 100 or so miles from home so they could make more money. While they were off working in the mines and away from their family, these men were having sex with prostitutes and giving their HIV to prostitutes or getting it from prostitutes if they didn’t already have it from hunting. Then those men took it back to their wives and children. It’s really really sad but the disease originated in Africa. It went from Africa to Haiti, & then USA. These poor people were treated horribly and my heart goes out to them.
They did that with the Plague. They don’t understand how it’s spread and it’s a horrible immoral and thoughtless cleansing process and a political sign also. :(
@@lastnamefirst4035 This is still a concern though. Once people heard that there was medication that could keep HIV from turning into AIDS, everyone pretty much forgot the dangers and dropped their guard. They decided it was OK not to practice safe sex again. But medication does not work for all people, and transmission continues unfettered. Now that we know what we’re dealing with, the emphasis should be on prevention.
I have a cousin whom STILLLLLL denies she has or had HIV...her ex passed way back in 2001 from full blown AIDS...tillll this day everyone says he passed from an infection to the Brain....I HAD MANY MOMENTS WITH HIM COMING TO MY HOME ON HIS LUNCH BREAKS ,TO VISIT ME AND REACH OUT TO SOMEONE IN HIS 1ST CHILDS EXTENDED FAMILY "ME":::MY LITTLE COUSIN WAS ONLY 12 WHEN HIS PAPA PASSED...IT WAS TRULY SAD HOW SECRETIVE EVERYONE WAS...BUT I DEFINITELY KNEWWWWWW🙏RIP CHRIS
Maybe she denies to others that she has it but knows she does and takes ARV medication. It’s unlikely that somebody infected in 2001 would be alive without treatment.
@@yesterdayitrained I agree-it makes NO sense whatsoever not to take him. It’s sad. (And why is this lady commenting on every minute of this documentary?)
@@yesterdayitrainedYes, but this is the mid-80s we’re talking about, in a very conservative part of the country. So in many ways, it makes perfect sense. Is it ok? No it’s not, but there’s a lot of context one needs to weed through here.
@@UnionAdvocate I don’t disagree- I lived through the 1980’s in real time (I was born in 1972), and perspective and context are important. What is deemed acceptable in our society has definitely changed in 3 decades. But it is still something I cannot fathom.
It is easy to say that now. People just didn’t know how you could catch. It was very scary for everybody now I say shame on people if they still continue to ostracize people with aids after they learned how it’s contracted.
There was also the common brain disease and dementia that mostly went unnoticed and untested. I didn't expect to see AIDS-related waisting disease and dementia in 2023, but it's still a brutal death that can mostly be prevented with early treatment.
So sad. They were ashamed of him. Probally was his mother's choice. His dad loves his son. His mother was ashmed till he died. Pathetic that's your child. And she should be all love for her child. What a closed minded fool.
Disgusting to see how the people with AIDS were abandoned and harassed back then. I don't understand how anyone can treat someone who is dying like this and specially your own parents, total lack of empathy.
Regarding the issue with the dentists in this video, do a search on the dentist Dr. David Acer of Florida who had AIDS and infected a number of his patients in the 1980's.
Well she might not live in that neighborhood anymore she might have moved away and she might have stop going to church .Same thing at my church lot of those young good Singer s that was there and sang with the choir back in the day have stop going to church alot of them move away .
Sheila Calloway, that was a good one to put a smile on my face while watching this video about such an awful devastating disease. God Bless the families who still grieve & patients still living with HIV & AIDS. Always remember the ones who have gone on to their spiritual journey.
It's not a choice or a decision. Do straight ppl chose to be attracted to the opposite sex? No they just are. Well, gay ppl just are attracted to the same sex. Everyone is a sinner so it is foolish logic to think that God is punishing them for sinning. Love is Love people!
what makes me angry is that covid 19 got a vaccine in the same year it came out as pandemic while HIV and Aids have still not have any cure or vaccine. We spent millions on research but more information how this virus history and provided prolong medicine to keep one alive of course its a good thing but so many have suffered and died from the disease. i really hope there will be an something to change in current events and make something like a vaccine to cure Aids or Hiv.
It doesn't make me angry as Covid-19 has destroyed so many lives too all over the world but it's quite chocking that HIV still haven't a vaccine, I wonder why it's so difficult to make one.
@@teijaflink2226 the issue (or one of the issues) is that hiv mutates incredibly quickly. It’s part of the reason that the only thing that works as therapy is the triple cocktail - if only one drug at a time is used, the virus quickly mutates and the drug becomes ineffective. It’s incredibly difficult to create an effective vaccine for something so prone to copying errors that create mutation.
The Aids virus is much more complex. They didnt find and will probably never find a vaccine, but you can treat HIV very well, nobody has to die any more.
I started kindergarten in 1990 at Bluffton Harrison grade school in Bluffton, Indiana. I saw a teacher slap a kid for spitting saying that’s how aids can spread. Being 5 and not even understanding I now know she was part of the fear crowd. It was crazy.
I'll never comprehend how some parents, many parents turned their backs on their own dying sons. They should've never been given the privilege of being parents. You never give up on them. Especially if they're sick and dying. My god.
I treated many AIDS patients in the 90s since I was a dental hygienist. It’s a bloody environment at times is why the dentist were so fearful but I knew with science that if I took the correct precautions even though I was working with sharp instruments it was practically zero cases a patient to hygienist infection. I had compassion I knew that AIDS was a terrible disease and new of friends that have passed away because of it. Just because the person says they are negative they can still have HIV, so we treated all the patients the same. We treated them all as if they had HIV. No discrimination. The dentist in this documentary is an idiot because you don’t know if the other people you are practicing on has HIV you just assume they don’t but in reality they could. He is talking from an uninformed decisions and bias. Even present day the only way to prevent 100% HIV is abstinence. They don’t teach that in schools anymore. Now they’re teaching how to have homosexual or sexual sex
I was a dental assistant in the late 80's and throughout the 90's and we treated every patient as if they had AIDS also. The autoclave took care of the instruments. Some dentists told me not to pit the drills in the autoclave, so I disinfected them thoroughly, imagine these dentists were practicing in NYC, one of the epicenters.
I lost many friends in the late 80s and early 90s when I found a picture of me and 7 of my friends when we went to Hawaii together I’m the only one left alive it made me cry so hard
If the dentist didn’t understand why his patient would need to volunteer personal medical hiv medication, why would he investigate to CONFIRM she was hiv NEGATIVE ?
Allen county is disgusting how they treated James Bird. I can't even grasp this smdh. Ppl still ignorant an we battling covid no one wanna wash they hands or even wear a dang mask. Smfh he's a human being 😞😞. I wish ppl wore condoms and believe in monogamy alil more. Even today we as ppl need to do better.❤❤❤❤❤
@@yesterdayitrained Watch “We Were There”-I saw it on Amazon and it’s wonderful. Not just one survivor from that time, but FOUR! Their stories are heartbreaking but also uplifting and hopeful. It’s a very good documentary.
The reason I said I know what the price of medication is because I used to work for a company that installs computer software for pharmacies. I would trouble shoot the problems that came up for the pharmacist. I would see the price of these drugs and it was devastating to see what patients have to pay.
K Butler prayer helped. That’s how all these support groups got started. All these people prayed. Quit running down prayer! If u don’t pray that’s on you not these people.
ultimately the government is to be blamed and ashamed. They should have educated the people, not let it be ignored because it was seen as a gay thing, and sooner tested the blood/prevented drug users from donating before distributing it to hospitals where thousands and thousands of innocent people were put at risk/infected. All these leaders were too ashamed to admit it was a problem in their country and just let it spread like wild fire I cannot believe how this is still a major problem today and they just simply brushed it under the rug...
Back in May of 1981 I had an older freind die of AIDS in El Paso Texas now he did go to New York and was in the fashion industry an they partied hard...he had pimple size blotches he started to get since 1976......how long has HIV bin in America??
They think the early to mid 1970's. When the US celebrated it's 200th birthday July 4, 1976 it was already here. The huge party in NY harbor-ships, tourists, thousands of people-is probably what kicked HIV/Aids in to high gear (I can't remember where I read that-about the NY party).
I saw this video when I was little. I never forgot the teenage couple. Tom Cook and Kelly Murphy are married and doing great... according to my research.
Just wayched a different documentry about AIDS in 1986 and cried my eyes out wayching just how ill they looked .it was about a hospice and teally hit home becsuse i lived with hep c since i was 16 .i was cured 2 years ago im now 45 . I consider myself very very lucky because the 2 usually come hand in hand especially because im an IV drug user . RIP to all those thst died snd please everyone stay safe .its still not worth it even if it can be treated
"You don't have to like people like me, just don't hate me." I felt that in my soul 😮
Amen! You don’t have to agree or believe in what others do or believe. Respect, though, is a must.
I felt "toilet water" in my soul, and then I saw dollar signs. Poor FUQER probably didn't see a dime.. yet deserved it. Hilarious.
Honestly no one should hate another person. In the Bible fornication and homosexuality are mentioned in the same verse but no one hates people that are sexually active outside of marriage. While yes obedience to God brings protection from many things, we weren’t ever given the authority to condemn, or judge. We’re taught to love everyone and preach the good news that God has in store. How people react to that good news and what decisions they make regarding what God requires is up to them, but it’s not for us to condemn them.
Bea Harris is an amazing woman. Even though her own family & friends disowned her she still brought her brother home and nursed him. What a wonderful sister.
Rest in Peace to everyone who died from this terrible disease. Strength to the many suffering from it today.
Linda Ellerbee was such a huge part of my childhood with _'Nick News'_ in the 1990s. Brings back memories to see her hosting this episode and hear her instantly recognizable voice, She handles all of these sensitive topics with such grace. Sad documentary.
Linda was an excellent journalist. When she was battling breast cancer my mother was also. They passed away within a month of each other. They are both missed very much xo
I loved her on NBC News Overnight.
@@illbeyourstumbleineI'm sorry about your mother. I believe Linda Ellerbee is still alive though.
@@illbeyourstumbleine Maybe you're thinking of when Linda Ellerbee *retired,* in 2015? 'Cause she's definitely still alive: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linda_Ellerbee
I would have never recognized her, but I definitely know that voice
As a nurse, I have unfortunately been there when someone was diagnosed with HIV or Hep. C. I'll never forget the look of terror and hurt on their faces. Y'all, please be safe.
I lost 7 to this, including my parents, and my cousin who was 11 years old (born with it). May all rest in peace 🙏🏼
Both of your parents died from AIDS???
None of these people deserved to die like this. They didn’t do anything that anyone else was doing. So many generations of artists and beautiful people gone. Such a deep loss. Imagine losing all of your best friends and love of your life and no one cared. The grief, the ptsd that these people who survived suffer from is horrific by itself. My goodness
It’s very true. The ptsd is pretty bad. People don’t even get what living through all of that was, and still is, like. Scars…
That was so beautifully said. So true. I can't imagine how hard it must've been to have experienced loss on that level. Many survivors equate it to war. It was a war that was fought with an enormous amont of casualties and no one cared. Just devastating.
@@soft_serve_666 it makes me sick just thinking about it.
@@LaLagunz187 Me too. And so angry that I have to force myself to think of something else. I think of my friends and loved ones needlessly dying a horrible death at a young age while our government sits back and ignores it and what something like that must feel like. I don't think I have half the strength it would take to endure it. I'm in awe of what this community did to help eachother when no one else would. It's truly nothing short of amazing to me. If it hadn't been for groups like ACT UP, GMHC, and many more, we would have lost even more beautiful souls.
@@soft_serve_666 Im not sure if you have Instagram, but there is a page on there called The Aids Memorial, OMG, you could sit on there for hours reading the stories of each person they post and what they went through, it so emotional
As a Christian family they needed to be by Vincent's bedside. Compassion and love is what Vincent needed in his last days on earth.
Christian family? Don't make me laugh.
That is exactly what every person needs on their last days on earth. In some people, their fear is greater than their love. They have it backwards.
And they were by his side when he died. Stop assuming shit because they are Black. Most ignorant mfs on the planet are white and conservative POSs
@awakenedmane6410 Exactly, they should've tried to help him instead of judging him.
What you are doing in posting these is so important . People are starting to live like aids is not a threat anymore. It is
Karen Jones Yes you are right, but it is important to argue using the truth and not saturate it with doom and gloom, which is exactly what I see going on here. There is a middle of the road, and people far too often swing too far one way.
Of course it is better to be HIV negative than HIV positive. Aside from the few disturbed, everybody on the planet knows that. It is such common knowledge, it goes without saying. Having to take medication isn’t as ideal as being healthy without medication. That is also a “no duh” statement. However, it is only with HIV that people start squawking about “the drugs.” By and large, we do not say that same crap to people needing meds for diabetes, high blood pressure, high cholesterol, etc.
Face it, people talk about the big bad drugs of HIV mostly because there is still a stigma attached to HIV. A stigma that just does not exist with diabetes, hypertension, hypercholesterolemia, etc.
Middle ground is important: no one should be blasé about HIV either. It is important for people to prevent getting it. The drugs are expensive and have risks too. They also can fail to work effectively for some people. Nonetheless, the stigma of HIV needs to stop. It just alienates people. It doesn’t help anybody. That’s why I post what I post.
You know what else is still a threat to gay men's health? Homophobia. Thirty years after this was made homophobia is still a huge threat in America.
Whether it is or isnt a death threat, i dont want it. Drugs are too damn expensive. The ppl treating it like it is nothing are the ppl that 1. Dont have it and are gum flapping. Or 2. The ppl who can afford to take all them pills.
It is a threat to ppl with no healthcare...not everybody can keep their load undetectable..so i agree with you..it is still a threat
@@serenitynowyolo yes sadly it is still a death sentence to many long term survivors. I just buried my beloved uncle 2 years ago. He was diagnosed in 1994. He did everything he could to live but sadly we lost him. Yes people are living longer and healthier lives, however people are still dying from this every single day. For them and their loved ones this is very real and each life is one too many. I hate the message "It isn't a death sentence anymore " I get giving hope to people who have HIV, but they already know the stats. What people are really doing with that statement whether they know it or not is giving this new younger generation less fear of the disease. That's why we are seeing a rise in new infections for the first time in a long time.
Yes the drugs these days do save lives, however they are very expensive and have a ton of side effects. You can also start to become resistant. After decades on them especially, that's what happened to my uncle. That's what happens to many long term survivors. So when you tell a 18 year old kid fear not, and they listen, you are taking away many healthy years from them....don't do that. It is a very dangerous message you are spreading whether you know it or not, well you know it now, it's whether you listen to all of us telling you or not.
I say all of this with love and loss in my heart, not with any hate at all. We have been through too much for all of that. Too much hate from everyone else to throw it at each other.
@@joannenugent8495 Well, in Russia and Venezuela, they don't have the access to the drugs like we do. This is still their reality.
It has always fascinated me how quickly people show their true colors in the face of adversity...YES, AIDS victims were treated horribly by many but there were also a lot of regular people who stood up in the face of fear...history will remember 🙏
Yes yes yes. You speak the truth.
Many people have more fear and hatred than empathy and compassion. They lack humanity. In times of crisis, all is revealed.
Look at how people throw tantrums about wearing masks . The problem is that its not for their safety but for everyone else . People are so self centered thaat even 1, 000, 000 people dead from Covid means nothing to them . They cannot be motivated for the greater good . Always they ask " Whats in it for me ." .
Same as COVID. It tests people
Amen.
I lost my father in 1995 to AIDS. I miss him so much I was only 6.
My deepest condolences. I can’t imagine losing my dad at 6. 💙🙏
I am so so sorry... I had my dad until I was 44... and it wasnt long enough..
@@TragicallyDelicious exactly. I had my mom till I was 42 and dad till I was 38. I feel like an orphan these days at 46. Not having a partner and siblings makes it even worse.
Sorry for your loss. I was 5 when my mom died in 1990.
I’m so sorry. I lived through this, lost everyone I loved. It has affected my entire life.
I was born in 1971, grew up during this pandemic . Unfortunately we thought we were invincible due to our youth. Majority of my friends including myself never used protection. And it was just a sheer blessing we all walked away without contracting HIV. We were 100 percent irresponsible looking back now. My heart goes out to all the people who lost this battle ❣️
So u just let random dudes, squirt all up in u raw? Just dumb!
@@awakenedmane6410 I said the same thing
@@awakenedmane6410 but how do you know they came?
If you are straight it’s almost impossible to catch a JV. CDC has a list thing it’s one and 900. If you sleep with an HIV infected woman 900 times the chances are you will probably not catch it. Unless you have sores on your dick
You are a lady so you are 99.999% safe . What I don’t understand is men having sex without any kind of protection
Soo sad That woman had to deal with all that stigma with friends & even family! 😪 Back then,HIV/AIDS a “death sentence” & created a sheer panic throughout rural America.
Beth Meyers You are right about that. It did ease up in metropolitan areas though, yet the hysteria dragged on in less populated areas. By the mid-80s, some funeral homes in large cities accommodated people who died of AIDS while many places elsewhere had no such accommodation. AIDS wards and hospices started to open up in the large areas, while elsewhere, there was no where for sufferers to go.
Organizations like GMHC, ACT UP, and the ACLU, worked to protect sufferers in NY and CA (and then other large areas with a large population of sufferers) that just were not available elsewhere. Living in s rural area made a huge difference regarding bigotry, isolation, and a lack of medical care. So I get what the OP is saying.
You’re right too that it was still terrible everywhere in most ways. Landlords still tried to evict those with AIDS, many medical professionals still didn’t want to treat patients, even in NYC, San Fran, and LA. The average citizen, even in those areas still subscribed to hysteria which led to persecution. So it was horrible everywhere for a long time, but rural areas truly were the worst (and still are, truth be told).
Fear of the speed of the death rate was insane. It was scary all round.
Rest in peace Vincent 12/08/1988 🌹🌹😢
His mother is so ignorant. Precious child.RIP warrior child.All he wanted was someone to cry on and love and take away that pain and his feelings and his mother and brother is sad. Hope is is making that suit for someone else. RIP.
That's how religious people were & still is. Eventually his parents accepted him on his last days🙏🏾
I hope his parents have changed since this time. They didn't know any better. Their churches told them that homosexuality was a sin. They place so much trust in the church and it must have been impossible to see a world where the church was wrong. RIP Vincent. What a beautiful soul.
@@KellyODo this story times a million over...while other churches advised against using contraception, “AIDS is bad, but not quite as bad as condoms are bad”.
And yet, people think these institutions are a force for good?! It’s baffling.
RIP to anyone who lost their battle🙏🏽❤️ please people be careful and use protection and if you do do drugs always use safe clean needles. We need to stop this horrible disease. Peace to everyone
AIDS impacted my view on homosexuality. The suffering and abandonment made me more compassionate towards all people
History repeats repeats and repeats... Pay attention everyone.... WITHOUT THAT FIRST COURAGEOUS PERSON TO STAND UP FOR 'RIGHT' ALL THE OTHERS WOULD JUST SIT AND NOTHING WOULD BE DONE. THANK YOU BEA!
God bless these citizens
Who opened their hearts & didn’t turn their backs on these unfortunate early victims of this cruel disease.God Bless U all ❤️
Something about Vincent was so special 🫶🏼❤🫶🏼 God does not punish with sickness-You Vincent are a BEAUTIFUL SOUL!!!! May you continue to rest next to our lord & savior 🙏🏼 R.I.P to all those who are now gone but not forgotten ❤
My God, we must never forget the abhorrent treatment of AIDS patients in the early part of the epidemic. This can & WILL happen again someday with another disease, and when it does we must be ready to treat the situation with informed caution & empathy, not heinous cruelty.
Agreed!!! 1/24/2020
You predicted Covid-19.
Covid 19 june2020
COVID-19
This comment was a year ago. Before covid became mainstream. Its so many heroes in this. I watch alot of 80s documentaries. Love is never with conditions and if everyone had that mentality . This world would be a better place. Ive been binge watching. Stories of aids in the 80s. Just watching couples and innocent ppl. Deal with aids the fear . Now we have covid. Tender touch goes along way. God be with us❤❤❤❤❤.You always send us light in times of darkness.This video is clear alot of ppl are beautiful spirits.❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤.
I lived in A suberb of Indianapolis in 1984 when I contracted HIV. I KEPT it totally secret and didn't share it with anyone. I was 15 and a freshman in high school. I was a swimmer and continued to swim even tho i was positive. It was a mind fuck. Its 2024 today. I made it. Odds were against me ...
May I ask which suburb of Indianapolis? For several years now I have been doing work to better understand Ryan White and the early days of the HIV/AIDS epidemic. I'm actually in a dispute with some who claim Ryan's legacy was education. They present Ryan as if he taught the world to love and then there was no more fear or discrimination of people living with HIV/AIDS. Yet there were so many examples even after Ryan's famous funeral in Indianapolis where people with HIV/AIDS did continue to suffer quite badly. Including another "innocent" victim Paige Rawl who experience much of the same abuse growing up in Indianapolis. To say nothing of gay men who continue to be blamed for a disease where they continue to be the largest group impacted in the U.S.
Мы с мамой недавно поймали ВИЧ,нет я не родился с этим,сейчас девочки гулящие,хоть и есть ребёнок и тихая,но у нас говорят в тихом омуте черти водятся,а моя мама вышла замуж за богатого и такой сюрприз,моя мама гадалка,он пришёл к ней погадать и как-то полюбили друг друга.У нас в городе где я родился даже в наши дни боятся к таким как мы даже подойти,в больших городах нормально относятся,а в маленьких городах и деревнях и сёлах боятся даже подойти.У меня соседка гуляет с таксистами,хотя муж её полицейский,но он тоже ей изменяет,у нас полицейские гуляют от жëн.У них дети,она тоже тихая и молчаливая,но в тихом омуте...Так что там ВИЧ тоже не за горами.Мы живём на 2города,и принимаем лечение и всё у нас хорошо.Про эту болезнь мы особо никому не говорим.Хотя я знаю Чарли Шин тоже ВИЧ инфецирован и тоже всё хорошо у него,у нас один актёр боялся потерять работу и умер от этой болезни в наши дни.
You are amazing and strong. That is way too much for a young person. I couldn't do it.
Proof that we suck as a species. How people can be unspeakably cruel is so way beyond me!!
It’s a common thread from the beginning of time. And still, I will never understand it. Many humans lack humanity.
People are only getting worse
@@Dpurple28 unfortunately I agree!
You need to understand belief system are destroying societies one city at a time.
What scares me is that in 2024-- well into the 21st Century and people are still so ignorant about HIV.
I had a neighbor who got HIV years ago when he lived in San Francisco. And when people who were suppose to be his friends found out, first of all, it took them a grand total of 30 minutes to spread it all throughout the complex. And he wasn't invited to eat with them anymore. They'd have dinners weekly where everyone would bring a dish-- his invitations stopped abruptly. And when the whole building got together for some holiday celebration, a bunch of them were warning everybody, "Mike cooked the (whatever it was) DON'T touch it".
That just angers me to no end 🙄😡
It's mind blowing how ignorant people were, and how very cruel. Thank God so much progress has been made in society, and medically. HIV is no longer a quick, horrific, death sentence.
You would’ve acted the same way if you would’ve saw how these people looked and didn’t know how it was transmitted. Nobody trust the government because they were known to lie and nobody really knew the hard facts
R.I.P. Alan Burkart 91.9.1 You are remembered 30 years later.
Did you know Al? If so, please contact me!
Who?
@@jeremypettet2442 I did. Quite well.
I cant believe the sufferring they had to endure in the 80s...
@@derrickclark5364 Pose will concluded with this final season (this season 3). It seems when the awareness of HIV/AIDS is a main topic on a television series (like HBO's The Deuce) the network pulls the plug on the TV series.
I know this virus is somewhat manageable BUT this virus will still take you if not properly medicated, and while female to male HIV transmission is 0.005%, male to male and male to female is considered high risk if the person with HIV is not properly medicated.
I think there needs to have and HIV/AID based cable channel that showcase HIV/AIDS related films and TV series and HIV/AIDS related news.
@@Mr.Majestic77 , it's called a condom. Why is that so hard to understand? There is also PREP! No one should be getting this virus with Prep, Pep and most importantly condoms. IV drug users need to use clean needles and don't share with anyone!
Unless you were there in the early years and witnessed this viral hollocaust you have no idea what terror is. This kid just wanted to know he was loved before he left this f#!*@& up planet. People were so ignorant back then because they chose to be. Families disowned thier children and never saw them buried. Definately the saddest part of the 80's. God bless him.
I really will never understand the parents who did that to their sons because they were gay. There is nothing that could make me turn my back on either my son or my daughter. They do not deserve the title "parent"!
@@darcylkc I agree. I watched all this go down in real time. It was not unusual for parents to disown their gay children. It is and always was horrifying. What happened to unconditional love?
It was beyond comprehension- watching people be ostracized, suffer, and, eventually, die- from a terrifying and unpredictable illness- while people spit on them and shunned them. Human cruelty knows no bounds.
@@yesterdayitrained I was only 9 years old when the epidemic started. I do remember seeing news on Ryan White and the Rays. It was so awful! But hearing a parent say it’s harder knowing their son is gay than knowing they’re going to die is just beyond belief. As a parent I will never turn my back on either of my kids. Unconditional love-those people don’t know the meaning of it, they shouldn’t have had children. 🥺
His family didn’t disown him. They were ignorant about homosexuality and AIDS but they loved him and still do to this day. The majority of people I’ve witnessed disowning their gay sons were white, conservative assholes.
@@darcylkcSame. I have a Trans kid and I don't understand any of it v
High school kids are so naïve.
The girl said You wouldn’t know who your boyfriend has previously had sex with unless that girl comes to you and tells you. That’s not possible in adult life. In high school it is.
WHY COULDN'T THIS HAVE CAPTIONS?? It seems all the really good documentaries never do!
It’s important to get tested because if you have doubts and you are hiv positive the longer you put of treatment the closer every day you get to a nasty aids related sickness that could permanently damage you or kill you
I didn't understand
When al burkhart called the dentist overdressed, I literally laughed out loud.
Hazmat suit for a dental procedure?!
So sad. Vincent's mom makes me feel so depressed. The cops that tortured that man should be sued, disgusting. It doesn't matter if they were scared or not, they should treat a human with compassion but we're talking about cops here so what do you expect
What did Vincent’s mother do? She was ignorant but she loved her son.
I'm early into this show and must say I love the police chief and his family. And I admire and love their church because, I see black and white people together as it should be. At the end of the day WE ARE HUMANS AND THAT'S IT!!!
Valincia Pruitt I was thinking the same thing...this is Indiana in the ‘80’s and I don’t see that kind of integration at all in 2019...very sad
Valincia Pruitt exactly!! My family is mixed and I have the most beautiful grandchildren in the entire world. The world is it in black-and-white but it’s so colorful and if people would just open our hearts & minds, and shut their mouth‘s, it would be a much better place to live.
Valincia Pruitt God tells us to love one another as he loves us. I don’t see so much of that in this world even though people seem to talk about it. When people are nice to me I often times have to ask myself what they really want out of it and especially if it’s a man! It’s sad that I have to be that way but I had been diagnosed with lupus since I was 33 & RA by 37. Good garage I’ve heard enough ugly to last a lifetime and even though my dad helped tremendously he would get tired and grouchy. My mother criticized and criticized and didn’t understand the disease was, but boy she knew what pain was when she got sciatica and then inevitably cancer. That’s when she finally apologized to me seven years later! My kids treated me like crap up until I was feeling a little bit better after changing rheumatologist and I went to nursing school because I was cast out of the legal profession. I work as a nurse part time & i’ve been on Social Security since 2005. My kids think that I have nothing because I don’t have that much money and their dad is a PA and PhD. Blah blah blah. I say that in sarcasm because when we separated he had nothing to do with those kids until well after they were 18., we split up and my kids were 4 & 7. He did not even tell the kids he was getting remarried in 2000 but yet now they think he’s golden. They are gonna learn because their dad is just the way he is and it’s just him. My daughter is exactly like him! Actually my daughter is worse. She is so selfish and God has his way of dealing with people like that. My son has been about 20% helpful whenever he wants to be but his wife is not. She comes from a family that has spoiled her and she doesn’t know what it’s like to share. I stay to myself because if I have to be around my children it’s really aggravates me where it used to break my heart.
The father that turned his back on them when they were little and didn’t even want to pay more than 300 a month child support when the judge ordered him to pay 800, and their dad was selfish and everything was about him and for me everything was about the kids & my family. I don’t like to be smothered but I do love my family and I respected my parents. my kids think I don’t have anything to give because I’m only working part time now as an RN but what I don’t really realize is that I’ve got a malpractice lawsuit because the doctors almost killed me and your and a half ago with sepsis and kidney failure. It won’t surprise me if they start coming around after that but it’s too late. My son will do the right thing for family if he absolutely has to but boy he’s not nice about it. What’s wrong with people? They worship money and things. They’ll find out because God has his ways.
You are such a kind person and I keep praying that one day we will all come together as human beings and then I see families not get along and wonder if it will ever be that way & perhaps I’m too optimistic to realize the truth. There’s already so much hatred in the USA amongst political parties. That’s absolutely ridiculous because if we were attacked by a terrorist country or someone else tomorrow, We would be banded together like brother and sister just like after 9/11/01. This is just your classical case of American dysfunctional families. God bless us all and God help us all... God help those who suffer and God help those who really need the most.
So very true Mrs. Pruitt! God never meant for us to be separated or to have hate for anyone. We are supposed to love our neighbors as we love ourselves. How and why has people forgotten this?
God bless you.
A lot of white supremacists would disagree with you. They say “blacks” aren’t human. Hate them like they hate you!
I don’t have aids, but I did experience the same exact thing this past year 2023 experience discrimination because I am legally blind and have a guy dog. I was turned down and rejected from a nursing home as soon as they found out later found out it was actually two. I’m now stuck with thousands of dollars in bills. I’ve contacted the nursing home twice now even writing the owner Still going to a nursing home it simply threw me in my house and told me to wait till the next day to go to the bathroom with. Maybe the nurse would arrive. The doctor said why don’t you look at what nurse is doing I explained him I am totally blind , how can I will myself to see.
Another good upload! Thank you.
Aids is still alive and well. Pay attention everybody. Do not be fooled
As is cancer(solid, lymph, blood), pneumonia, fatal accidents, murder, deadly flu, and on.
@@tristanmason7405we are all aware of those subject's being around. Thank you Tristan for pointing them out. Where would we be without Tristan.
I have a weakness for trans women...i need to watch this when i get the urge....even with prep i do not need any of this shit in my life....as well as all the other std s ......40 mins of sex is not that important in the long run
An the government don't care an its not talking about it so sad
@@tristanmason7405 You’re missing the point. But I am guessing that is not unusual for you…
This was during the height of the classic mullet. Amazing!
Thank you for posting this message.
Blessings and peace to you
Vincent's father James Crawford passed away in 2010. Vincent wasn't even mentioned in his father's obituary when they listed the family members who preceded him in death. Smh I believe that no good mother had something to do with Vincent not being mentioned. Vincent's father showed more compassion for him than she did.
That is so heartbreaking to hear!! All these years later and she left her son, the son she brought into this world, out of the obituary for his father? SMDH!! 🥺
Even if he passed away many years ago that's heartbreaking to pretend your son never even existed.
@@teijaflink2226 It’s horrible!! I do not understand people like that. Sad!!🥺
She was disgusted
I knew Vincent’s family. It wasn’t the mother who didn’t include Vincent’s name. It was one of his older brothers. Stop assuming shit about people you don’t know. His mother was ignorant during his illness but had a complete change of heart at his bedside and going forth. Stfu
I could only imagine the hurt Ryan White had to endure during his battle with this illness, RIP to our friends and family we have lost throughout the years. No one deserves to be treated with such evil with in our communities
Wow, I still can’t get over the segregation and hate towards people with AIDS...I was in hospital pharmacy through the 80’s and saw many patients with the disease. Never did we feel we were at risk when being around them. I guess that’s because we were informed enough about how it was contracted and we took precautions. We know a lot more now and that is fantastic...but the stigma is still there. Do not judge others, be kind...it may be the only love that person may receive. AIDS is not a death sentence now so many will be in your world, love can speak volumes. ❤️
Virginia Miko It’s heartbreaking!! People can be so cruel. Princess Diana had more courage than most people. Just sad!! 😌😌
Virginia Miko I was diagnosed with systemic lupus in 2001 and rheumatoid arthritis and 2005. I have autoimmune diseases that run in my family. Because of my disability I wasn’t able to continue working my law firm job as an associate, and let me tell you people judged me every which way they could and then some. My own mother and even the people with whom I worked. They didn’t fire me at work because I had done nothing to be fired but they made me so miserable that I resigned. My office had been downstairs and when I return back to work after being out for a week following an injury, & returning back to work for about four days until I blared up and the doctor took me out again for another week and a half, The senior partners gave my office to someone else! When I went back to work around 11 June, they put in my office upstairs. It was heartbreaking because I had a back injury with lupus and I had to walk upstairs and it was excruciatingly painful.
. I can understand how these people felt. I worked with going up and down stairs, despite my occupational doctor telling me to stay off of stairs following my office injury when I slid on THEIR Hard wooden back stairway. It was awful because they knew if they fired me I could have a chance that Worker’s Compensation benefits.
I didn’t even have anything that was communicable but they treated me like dirt and then I heard the flak from my mother and my oldest child. I was then and I’m so over it even 18 years later. I did switch doctors and I ended up returning to work in 2011. thank God!! At that time I was still very hurt and I didn’t wanna go back to the law firm because of the way I was treated and I certainly wouldn’t gone back there. I actually went to Orange school believe it or not and worked in nursing for a while and I hope to stay there as long as I can even if part time.
My heart broke when I heard that Freddie Mercury had aids and passed away from it. Soo sad & so so many people had to suffer with that.
Think about people who didn’t (and don’t) have diseases and are segregated and discriminated against because of things as minute as skin color.
@@mjeffries4749 We're not talking about people that are segregated because of skin color. We don't need to think about then while watching this video . This video is about AIDS patients ONLY!
@@mjeffries4749 I think what Byron was trying to say was, stay on topic. I understand why you made the comment you made, but it implicitly downplays what people who had HIV and AIDS suffered through in those early years- and up to today.
Many of those infected with HIV had brown and black skin. Imagine being part of one of those groups, and add a physically debilitating illness- where you become so ill, you are completely at the mercy of those around you, good or bad. And their stigma, hate, and fear surrounds you.
This was so hard to watch😢
I agree especially the part when Vincent mother and brothers came to visit him. 😢🌹🌹
Suffered in silence.
Why did you watch it then
So sad that people spend the time thinking about when they will lose somebody, instead of thinking use this time to be with the person!
I guess in the end nothing really matters but being loved & feeling that those you care about the most are there for you
Rest easy Ms Bea Harris, what a beautiful strong woman.
Bravo to the volunteer dentist.
👏
Dr Glen Holberg
Okay... I can kind of understand people being hesitant to interact with people that have Aids, just because back then we didn't know enough about it, even now it's not talked about enough and misinformation runs rampant. But I in no way shape or form will ever understand why someone would burn down someone's home over them having Aids.
People in general will more times than not be a pretty big disappointment. Doesn't surprise me at all.... probably someone assuming it was only a gay man disease and burned down a house out of hate...
Obironnkenobi people thought back then you could get it from going to school with people who had it or touching them. They thought you could get it from sharing drinks and food. Just sad ! They kicked hemophiliac children out of schools because they got AIDS From contaminated blood because they had to get blood transfusions all of the time and the people that donated the blood had the HIV virus- most of them were needle drug users. Sad! We knew by 1984 or 1985 that HRV was not passed by cancel contact whatsoever and that it was an STD. They started testing the blood supply in 1985 as well. HIV contaminated blood was removed from supply & testing was enacted before giving blood so they would not take blood from anyone who is HIV-positive. In 1983 they figured out what the disease was ; in 1984 they had a test. 1985 they knew it wasn’t by casual contact and they cleaned out the blood supply for transfusions and started testing donors for HIV. They had shows on 60 minutes every month telling people it wasn’t a casual contact disease but STD, needle drug users, etc.. & people could get it through heterosexual or homosexual contact. I’ve never heard of women giving it to women because they don’t do what men do when they are gay. The ironic thing is that during Ronald Reagan’s administration they cut funding for the CDC and the people working there didn’t have the money to travel to do research to find out what his disease was and where came from. With the money they had, they kept every staff member on so no one would lose their job and they all worked and worked to see if they could find out what it was; and they had no travel to go anywhere in the world to see if other people had this. After rock Hudson died in 1985 former actor and then President Ronald Regan donated so many millions of dollars to AIDS Research but it really was nothing compared to the amount they would spend on war and everything else.
George Bush was in from 88 to 1992 and when Bill Clinton took office in 1992 the CDC was given back their money and they went to Africa. HIV originated in Africa! These people could’ve known that eight years before if they would’ve only had the money. The disease came from monkeys that the hunters would get their blood mixed with monkeys blood during hunting. It was really easy to do if the hunter in advertently even cut themselves slightly after hunting an infected monkey.. The Monkees had the virus but they didn’t develop into AIDS Like humans do. These hunters would go home and be with their wives and their wives would get HIV and they would have babies born with HIV. Before 1985, The world health organization would give massive vaccinations to millions of children in Africa to help prevent them from getting tetanus diphtheria pertussis, etc.. goodness gracious all that did was cause that disease to spread like wild fire because these nurses were using the same needles in this Third World country!! All of these poor little children probably age 2 or three up to 15 or 16 we’re getting HIV. Subsequently, many of the hunters would leave their homes and go to work in mines 100 or so miles from home so they could make more money. While they were off working in the mines and away from their family, these men were having sex with prostitutes and giving their HIV to prostitutes or getting it from prostitutes if they didn’t already have it from hunting. Then those men took it back to their wives and children. It’s really really sad but the disease originated in Africa. It went from Africa to Haiti, & then USA. These poor people were treated horribly and my heart goes out to them.
There is now (2020) medication to help prevent hiv and meds for treatment that is enabiling people to live a normal long life
They did that with the Plague.
They don’t understand how it’s spread and it’s a horrible immoral and thoughtless cleansing process and a political sign also. :(
@@lastnamefirst4035 This is still a concern though. Once people heard that there was medication that could keep HIV from turning into AIDS, everyone pretty much forgot the dangers and dropped their guard. They decided it was OK not to practice safe sex again.
But medication does not work for all people, and transmission continues unfettered. Now that we know what we’re dealing with, the emphasis should be on prevention.
I have a cousin whom STILLLLLL denies she has or had HIV...her ex passed way back in 2001 from full blown AIDS...tillll this day everyone says he passed from an infection to the Brain....I HAD MANY MOMENTS WITH HIM COMING TO MY HOME ON HIS LUNCH BREAKS ,TO VISIT ME AND REACH OUT TO SOMEONE IN HIS 1ST CHILDS EXTENDED FAMILY "ME":::MY LITTLE COUSIN WAS ONLY 12 WHEN HIS PAPA PASSED...IT WAS TRULY SAD HOW SECRETIVE EVERYONE WAS...BUT I DEFINITELY KNEWWWWWW🙏RIP CHRIS
Maybe she denies to others that she has it but knows she does and takes ARV medication. It’s unlikely that somebody infected in 2001 would be alive without treatment.
@@michaellondonxxx4860 I know 2 people who contracted HIV in 1983 and 1985 and are still alive.
@@michaellondonxxx4860 My dear friend is in this film. th-cam.com/video/PCFWIB8A8t4/w-d-xo.html
Maybe she doesn’t have it.
Very interesting documentary. Thank you!
Rainbow History Project-- Thanks for all your great videos!
EllenKay creepy trick
@@mjeffries4749 Not as creepy as you!
Let’s show compassion!
It makes sense that the nursing homes wouldn’t take Vincent in Bc families remove their families.
And eventually the company would go out of business.
No excuse for ignorance and utter stupidity .
Only “makes sense” from a financial viewpoint, not a human one. That doesn’t make it OK. It’s still wrong.
@@yesterdayitrained I agree-it makes NO sense whatsoever not to take him. It’s sad. (And why is this lady commenting on every minute of this documentary?)
@@yesterdayitrainedYes, but this is the mid-80s we’re talking about, in a very conservative part of the country. So in many ways, it makes perfect sense. Is it ok? No it’s not, but there’s a lot of context one needs to weed through here.
@@UnionAdvocate I don’t disagree- I lived through the 1980’s in real time (I was born in 1972), and perspective and context are important. What is deemed acceptable in our society has definitely changed in 3 decades. But it is still something I cannot fathom.
It's unbelievable how ignorant can humanity can be when are facing something unknown
It is easy to say that now. People just didn’t know how you could catch. It was very scary for everybody now I say shame on people if they still continue to ostracize people with aids after they learned how it’s contracted.
A horror story, blindness, rampant Kaposi Sarcoma, only weighed 60 lbs at death
There was also the common brain disease and dementia that mostly went unnoticed and untested.
I didn't expect to see AIDS-related waisting disease and dementia in 2023, but it's still a brutal death that can mostly be prevented with early treatment.
Poor Vincent wasn't even mentioned in his father's obituary.
So sad. They were ashamed of him. Probally was his mother's choice. His dad loves his son. His mother was ashmed till he died. Pathetic that's your child. And she should be all love for her child. What a closed minded fool.
Nor was I and not due to being gay. When you aren't a proud part of someone's life, they think its fine to leave you out.
San Francisco Vincent and his father made me think of the parable of the prodigal son.
Disgusting to see how the people with AIDS were abandoned and harassed back then. I don't understand how anyone can treat someone who is dying like this and specially your own parents, total lack of empathy.
Could be me!
Regarding the issue with the dentists in this video, do a search on the dentist Dr. David Acer of Florida who had AIDS and infected a number of his patients in the 1980's.
So much of that story remains vague. Many assumptions are being made with little evidence. And it was a rare event from the time.
Great and important documentary. The girl at the end singing Amazing Grace sang like an angel. Does anyone know her name ?
Well she might not live in that neighborhood anymore she might have moved away and she might have stop going to church .Same thing at my church lot of those young good Singer s that was there and sang with the choir back in the day have stop going to church alot of them move away .
Everyone has to use protection and be safe. Regardless of sexuality:
Hell of a way to go in the early 80's. Horrible death physically and socially aswell
ON A MUCH LIGHTER NOTE...I BET WE ALL MISS SHOULDER PADS :)
Sheila Calloway, that was a good one to put a smile on my face while watching this video about such an awful devastating disease. God Bless the families who still grieve & patients still living with HIV & AIDS. Always remember the ones who have gone on to their spiritual journey.
@@oolongteaforjoyluck17 ❤️❤️☀️☀️🙏🏾🙏🏾
And linoleum floors and formica countertops
GREAT upload
It's not a choice or a decision. Do straight ppl chose to be attracted to the opposite sex? No they just are. Well, gay ppl just are attracted to the same sex. Everyone is a sinner so it is foolish logic to think that God is punishing them for sinning. Love is Love people!
I agree with your first point but then you had to drag religion into it.
Thank you !
Luke she was making point with her beliefs not making a point with your beliefs.
I.e. an opinion
Lust is nit Love
Rip, all! Thanks, linda ellerbee. Rip.🎉
what makes me angry is that covid 19 got a vaccine in the same year it came out as pandemic while HIV and Aids have still not have any cure or vaccine. We spent millions on research but more information how this virus history and provided prolong medicine to keep one alive of course its a good thing but so many have suffered and died from the disease. i really hope there will be an something to change in current events and make something like a vaccine to cure Aids or Hiv.
It doesn't make me angry as Covid-19 has destroyed so many lives too all over the world but it's quite chocking that HIV still haven't a vaccine, I wonder why it's so difficult to make one.
@@teijaflink2226 the issue (or one of the issues) is that hiv mutates incredibly quickly. It’s part of the reason that the only thing that works as therapy is the triple cocktail - if only one drug at a time is used, the virus quickly mutates and the drug becomes ineffective. It’s incredibly difficult to create an effective vaccine for something so prone to copying errors that create mutation.
@@throwawayacc6384 If Covid mutates in that way we’re all done for
The Aids virus is much more complex. They didnt find and will probably never find a vaccine, but you can treat HIV very well, nobody has to die any more.
@@teijaflink2226
Shocking
Where's the dilemma? You help and you care. Easy.
I started kindergarten in 1990 at Bluffton Harrison grade school in Bluffton, Indiana. I saw a teacher slap a kid for spitting saying that’s how aids can spread. Being 5 and not even understanding I now know she was part of the fear crowd. It was crazy.
My brother was only two months old when this was filmed.
Mine too
I'll never comprehend how some parents, many parents turned their backs on their own dying sons. They should've never been given the privilege of being parents. You never give up on them. Especially if they're sick and dying. My god.
I treated many AIDS patients in the 90s since I was a dental hygienist. It’s a bloody environment at times is why the dentist were so fearful but I knew with science that if I took the correct precautions even though I was working with sharp instruments it was practically zero cases a patient to hygienist infection. I had compassion I knew that AIDS was a terrible disease and new of friends that have passed away because of it.
Just because the person says they are negative they can still have HIV, so we treated all the patients the same. We treated them all as if they had HIV. No discrimination. The dentist in this documentary is an idiot because you don’t know if the other people you are practicing on has HIV you just assume they don’t but in reality they could. He is talking from an uninformed decisions and bias.
Even present day the only way to prevent 100% HIV is abstinence. They don’t teach that in schools anymore. Now they’re teaching how to have homosexual or sexual sex
I was a dental assistant in the late 80's and throughout the 90's and we treated every patient as if they had AIDS also. The autoclave took care of the instruments. Some dentists told me not to pit the drills in the autoclave, so I disinfected them thoroughly, imagine these dentists were practicing in NYC, one of the epicenters.
I lost many friends in the late 80s and early 90s when I found a picture of me and 7 of my friends when we went to Hawaii together I’m the only one left alive it made me cry so hard
If the dentist didn’t understand why his patient would need to volunteer personal medical hiv medication, why would he investigate to CONFIRM she was hiv NEGATIVE ?
Allen county is disgusting how they treated James Bird. I can't even grasp this smdh. Ppl still ignorant an we battling covid no one wanna wash they hands or even wear a dang mask. Smfh he's a human being 😞😞. I wish ppl wore condoms and believe in monogamy alil more. Even today we as ppl need to do better.❤❤❤❤❤
It's possible some of these people could still be Alive.
Find me just one, please.
@@yesterdayitrained Watch “We Were There”-I saw it on Amazon and it’s wonderful. Not just one survivor from that time, but FOUR! Their stories are heartbreaking but also uplifting and hopeful. It’s a very good documentary.
The reason I said I know what the price of medication is because I used to work for a company that installs computer software for pharmacies. I would trouble shoot the problems that came up for the pharmacist. I would see the price of these drugs and it was devastating to see what patients have to pay.
Also Ryan White caught it through Blood Transfusion ,Look how people treated him
Just tell me .... did you save anyone by praying?
No? I thought so ....
Worst kind of inaction.
Smh @ Vincent’s mother
Prayer did not help!Many w/AIDS.were.abandoned by parents, siblings, churches.and so. Forth
K Butler prayer helped. That’s how all these support groups got started. All these people prayed. Quit running down prayer! If u don’t pray that’s on you not these people.
@@lucasblackburn7014 Ya mean talking to yourself helped? LMFAO!
Evangelicals are trash in that time. Saying AIDS us punishment to gays. Root in hell to those who thought that way.
@@lucasblackburn7014 "prayer helped" oh yeah then why did they suffer and die? Scientist have done studies on prayer. Guess what.... It doesn't help
Does it ever? 😂
Some of these hair styles though! 😁😂🤣
Almost all of them were absolutely terrible lol. The overall fashion was.
That was the 1980s.
@@msj9097 they weren't terrible at all you're just ignorant
They were way better than now
@@lanalook9200Yep
ultimately the government is to be blamed and ashamed. They should have educated the people, not let it be ignored because it was seen as a gay thing, and sooner tested the blood/prevented drug users from donating before distributing it to hospitals where thousands and thousands of innocent people were put at risk/infected. All these leaders were too ashamed to admit it was a problem in their country and just let it spread like wild fire I cannot believe how this is still a major problem today and they just simply brushed it under the rug...
But it was a gay thing. Like it or not. It wasn’t until it started affecting non gays that more money was approved for research.
This is very sad.
Al’s story was unusual
Fascinating man; I wish I had known him...
Back in May of 1981 I had an older freind die of AIDS in El Paso Texas now he did go to New York and was in the fashion industry an they partied hard...he had pimple size blotches he started to get since 1976......how long has HIV bin in America??
They think the early to mid 1970's. When the US celebrated it's 200th birthday July 4, 1976 it was already here. The huge party in NY harbor-ships, tourists, thousands of people-is probably what kicked HIV/Aids in to high gear (I can't remember where I read that-about the NY party).
The first reply is correct- with the information we have now, and looking back, it appears HIV entered the US in the early 1970s.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_HIV/AIDS#
We must never forget
How about COVID 19 vaccine, advantage and disadvantages
Linda ellerbee!
I grew up in Europe in the 80's... I saw a lot of syringes in the streets. Crazy how drug addicts used to exchange needles with one another.
Are any of these people still living?
I saw this video when I was little. I never forgot the teenage couple. Tom Cook and Kelly Murphy are married and doing great... according to my research.
Very few.
Who?
What about SIDS?
people can't comprehend the scope. i know i can't
Great video!
Being gay is not a choice no ones sexuality is.
So I guess that applies for ped0s too. Right? 🤡
Watched one vid on Ebola eish😢 it’s just too much it totally reminds me how fragile we are
Wonder what happened to Allan Burkhart?
All dead. RIP to these pretty souls. Died too soon. Always remember our sisters and brothers lost to this horrible disease.
Like so many others, Alan died September 1, 1991. He was my uncle.
@@jeremypettet2442 So sorry 😢🙏🙏🙏🙏
@@jeremypettet2442 I'm so sorry for your loss 😢😢😢
Abstinence only ... how did that work out after ?
38:56
Very noble of him.
🙏🙏☦️😥from Greece 🇬🇷❤️
Just wayched a different documentry about AIDS in 1986 and cried my eyes out wayching just how ill they looked .it was about a hospice and teally hit home becsuse i lived with hep c since i was 16 .i was cured 2 years ago im now 45 . I consider myself very very lucky because the 2 usually come hand in hand especially because im an IV drug user . RIP to all those thst died snd please everyone stay safe .its still not worth it even if it can be treated
It's here like every disease
52:22 Yeah, okay ladies. Whatever you say.