Zero Claims The SR/S Will Go 160 Miles On A Charge, So I Put That Claim To The Test!
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Zero builds its brand around all-electric motorcycles, and their SR/S can supposedly run 160 miles on a single charge. But how does that claim hold up in the real world?
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My Super Soco claims it can do 60 miles on a single charge, im struggling to get 40 miles,
Think its about time manufacturers start using real world numbers and not ones made up in a perfect environment
I own that bike and use it to commute for work every day.
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The range is very dependent on the speed. The display allows you to choose what sort of data is presented in 4 different sections, and one of them is watthours per mile.
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Mine has baggage and I don't lean into the screen to try to achieve efficiency. I dont have the "power tank" , just the stock 14.4Kw battery of which about 12 are usable.
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To give you an example, at around 40mph its using less than 100Wh/m. So at that speed, 10 miles per Kilowatt/H. Around 120 miles range. At 100 mph its using 330Wh/m. At this speed your range is about 40 miles.
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It no longer feels fast to me, instead it appears I am sharing the road with a bunch of golf carts.
For this price you can buy Tesla car XD this bike is OVERPRICED
@@simonci5177 It costs what it costs. That's too much for most people. If I wanted a car I would have bought one.
My four and a half mile commute to work paired with my limited 20 to 30 minute riding time due to nerve damage in my back this would work out fine for me. Price is the price and if I could afford it I’d have to decide between the ergos on this and the energica which is even crazier. Will the price come down and the range go up in the future, sure. Is tomorrow guaranteed, no. Live today the way you wish
@@bfarm44 If thats as far as youre going look at a lower tier bike like Sondor, they appear to be plenty fast, super light, and 1/4 the price. I know someone who just bought one yesterday but he hasnt recieved it yet.
@@bunberrier I would to find a good used DSR for 10 or 11k...which I think its reasonable considering very little maintenance for these electrics..plus they are excellent for beginners...no clutch... stalling and gear shift to worry about
Some quick notes from an SRF owner here: the belt on yours sounds misaligned as it's rubbing the side on the rear sprocket. Proper aligned you'll hear more wine of motor. Below 10 or 20% SOC power is reduced a lot. Full charge (0-95%) on 6kW (not 7) premium takes 2 hours. 4 hours on 3kW standard. With added charge tank 1 hour. That noise an energica makes is not the chain but reduction gears.
#Bingo thank you
What do u think would b the mileage say about 40-50 mph?
Shut up
Uh, what?
Yeah it seems like he misstated a lot of stuff and also unless I'm misunderstanding something he pulled out the level two charging plug and said it's the standard level 1 that you can plug into a household outlet overnight. So I'm wondering if you can plug this into a standard 110 like other zero bikes or if it has to be a level two. Zero's never really super clear on this in my opinion.
Far too expensive! LCD watches that first came out in the early 70's cost $250 and now you can buy an LCD watch for $1 at your local dollar store. Let's hope we don't have to wait decades until electric motorcycles become more affordable for people.
LOL, and you needed two hands to operate them; one to wear it and the other to push the button. This is why I didn't bother. I DID get a DSR last spring though and absolutely love it. 8K miles for around $60 plus $2 maintenance to replace a lost bolt from an accessory. Zero time at the dealers for service ;)
@@bryn494, those 8,000 miles weren't to far from home, lol.
@@painterboy454 Only thanks to Covid but plenty of 200+ mile rides so far. Thanks to the wonders of old age that's about the most my body can take in a day anyway but I do plan on some cross-continent rides now I have the time :D
@@bryn494, that sounds like great fun! Ride safe!!
But fuel and maintenance are about 20% of that of a gas bike
I love Kyle's Out of Spec Motoring channel. For those interested in electrification, definitely check it out. It was great to see his cameo on this channel!
I have a zero DSR, I have had it for about a month. I absolutely love it. I have owned two other bikes. The dsr accelerates far faster than the Honda Hurricane I had. You can operate it in three "modes" In eco mode its acceleration feels like a fairly quick moped, very easy to handle, very forgiving. Custom allows me to control torque and top speed (up to about 104) and allows control of regenerative braking, I have mine set without any regenerative braking. and seventy percent torque. This allows for very quiet coasting with rapid but not terrifying acceleration. In sport mode the bike just launches. From a dead stop i feel like I can hit fifty just as I exit a two lane intersection. It's such a different riding experience. I can focus on throttle control and braking without a clutch or any shifting. Put it in eco, drag the brake and its turning in full lock. I put it in eco on residential streets, custom for most stuff and sport on the highways. I even like that it is quiet. I did install two piaa twin horns under the fairing on each side though. Its different, but for commuting and in city riding, It is just awesome. Passing is hilariously easy. Grab and gone.
Good insight👍
That's a lot of great info thanks a lot!
There must have been something wrong with the Hurricane. The 600 cc version has more power and only about 20 lbs of additional weight over the DSR. Instant torque and no need to shift make the DSR quick from low speeds and in the midrange, but the 600 can complete the 1/4 mile in the high 11 second range, something not possible on the DSR. 0-60 is also 3.5 seconds for the 600 whereas the DSR takes 3.9. 0-30 and from a low roll the DSR will have a slight jump, but aside from that, the 600 is quicker everywhere. The DSR probably just feels faster.
@@GyroPyro121212It’s quicker in real life situations cause the power is always there. You don’t need to downshift 2 gears to get it to redline when cruising at 30. Just twist and gone
Chains don't make a lot of noise, unless they are not lubricated, or are worn or not tensioned or aligned properly. But chains are more efficient, last longer, rarely catastrophically fail (like belts do). But chains do need periodic maintenance.
Good test (Ouch shorts ) I've run DSR now SRF Premium. DSR goes 20% further (fat tyres and 20kg on SRF ls less efficient ). performance on SRF mind blowing, more to the point has traction control which allows the use of bigger motor/inverter. DSR without it may high side ( don't ask how I know). SRF does about 80 miles range 50% hooning 50% normal UK b roads. Good fun ,fit an RSG tail tidy get rid of snow scoop. Best balance of weight/power at 220kg 14kWh 110HP of any EV bike out and best styled for me. Bikes so dependant on battery developement over the next few years, more so than cars, pitch in now or wait?
The DS or DSR is the way to go and these bikes aren't for flyover states. They do great on the coast and in the cities. Had they rode 40 mph in town, you could ride all day for a couple days. You wake up every morning with a full battery.
Any reviews for any of the Energicas coming? I've been looking at the Eva Ribelle for a while now.
Great video. Well done give me a Twin though. When they get to be competitive with a great thumper I will look at one seriously
Fabulous review! Did I hear correctly that the bike doesn't give ample warning time that you're low on power? just shuts off virtually without notice? If so that's a huge flaw that could be very dangerous .on the highway. It's nice just to hear the wind however a bikes heart and soul is the engine
Its all fun and games until your waiting in line for 6 hours with a dead battery.. once these evs take off, its going to be a nightmare at charging stations...
So he never mentioned how it can go 160 miles on the charge I just bought mine yesterday and my traveling distance from NYC to CT was 74.7 miles and it died on me on the highway at 68 miles and it was fully charged when I left the dealership Filipacchi in the city
Sorry to hear that. Especially since yours was new and fully charged. Your review helped me think this over longer. Now I don't see the purpose.. What I would say is. 550lbs is a lot of bike. Plus if the rider is a giant.
Yikes. So little range for 20 grand. The way I ride my CBR250r, I can easily go 80 miles on a gallon of gas. My throttle is usually either pulled all the way back or let go. It has a 2 gallon gas tank.
More more more pls
And some more riding and performance comparison to ice bikes would help too.
I had a 2021 Zero SR-F out for a test ride about a month ago. Picked it up at the dealer and it was fully charged showing 140km of range! The dealer said that to unlock the last 20% you need to pay to unlock it lol. Whatever, the sale was lost at that moment anyway. About 55km into my rode I was down to 5
2% battery remaining so I turned around. I never made it home. About 20km into my return ride the dash lit up saying " battery isolation fault" (or something like that). So I pulled over and called the dealer, not wanting to damage their bike. The dealer instructed me to ride it back to the shop, but it would not restart. Underwhelming to say the least. Its fun for the first 10 minutes until the range anxiety pops in. Useless in the real world. Any thoughts of buying one as a toy vaporized with the pay-to-use-what-you-already
-paid-for model anyway. A long way to being viable in my opinion.
Zero stopt cypher which is that system for upgrading . Too many complaints about it. .. also good to know the software bug that you experienced has been there for 7 years on all models .. some of their bike run great for years most bikes break down and zero will not help you.. i ve seen a graveyard of zero bikes by a former dealer ... just wait for gonda or byy an energica . They are way way better !!!
It is not worth to buy such a pricy powerful E-bike to ride slow for longer range, period!
Spoiler: he didn't put that 160 miles to test
lol, thanks for saving me 9 minutes, i scanned through the timeline and didn't even see any riding footage, so I skipped watching
Hey Gents, Love that you guys are reviewing bikes now and presentation-wise this was great, but as a rider, I'm asking that you please stop showing videos of yall riding without the proper gear. Gloves, jeans, jacket, helmet last thing I want is a new rider to think riding in shorts and a t-shirt is okay. Other than that keep bringing that sweet sweet 2 wheel reviews.
I agree, lack of proper riding gear lessens the validity of your opinions.ATGATT, keep them coming .
Team ATGATT too
@@JetSkiSuper7 No one plans to crash, but it does happen; even to those who did nothing wrong. When you're spending 20K on a bike, it doesn't make sense to not spend less than a grand to help keep your skin on you rather than leaving it on the asphalt.
I've seen a rider take a slide at less than 30 MPH due to some idiot that ran a red light. I think he was in the hospital for a couple of weeks and had to get skin grafts on his ass and thigh. The outer bone on his right ankle was even exposed and ground off a bit. A very painful experience that could have been at least minimized by just wearing jeans and boots, and likely eliminated by wearing riding jeans and boots. He won't even leave his garage for a quick trip around the neighborhood after a brake job without them now.
Experience is an unforgiving teacher.
What makes people tell others what to do. It’s an amazing phenomenon. MYOB
I started to write my own reply and glad that other riders decided to comment. -- I am a huge fan of the TFL channels but I am a bit of a stickler for wearing proper riding gear especially on TH-cam. It's believe it's important to passively convey good riding practices when producing a video for the public.
What was your range on stop and go?
I thought these guys were based out west somewhere? What are y’all doing at Rocky Mount Mills??
Can you change the speed from mph to kph??
Another year or two and these prices will be much lower, competition is going to be strong
Especially once electric bikes roll out rated for 250mph. I just think most riders are terrified of a car not hearing them you know. Some of these bikes have artificial sound though
Will you be able to review on the Mission Motorcycle Electric Bike? Jay Leno did it once but never heard of them after that, heck I do not even know if they are still in business.
They have been gone for years. Went bankrupt.
im really interested to know about quiet dirt bikes/off-road motorcycles too
Check the Zero FX
Stark varg.. surron .. indeed zero fx..or a e atb .. is more allowed
Nice review. In about 10 years, this is going to be a real compelling and competitive product.
Agreed....But right now for me they need to overcome 3 things......Asinine price / Unacceptable charging times / And last but not least horrible miles to charge distances.
Only if workers starts making 100 grand a year :D
Way before that
Swapthose batteries out for teslas tabless batteries you would get more range and probably performance
I have never even seen a charging station so I couldn't charge it while I am eating. It would be a great bike for running around town on where you are running it less than 100 miles and could charge it every evening at the house. I am sure if I rode one I would want one.
I'm in the Philly area of SW PA, when you need them you'll find out there's loads on the coastal megalopolitan strips and enough in the hinterlands and many are free as a full charge costs them less than a dollar. You just need to plan a bit, top off at every stop and take your time going places (I'm retired and just blew my kid's inheritance on a DSR, LOL). Plugshare app or website shows pretty much all the chargers out there ;)
Cool bike :)
Lol~ 'mirrors fold in for easier storage' more like easier lane slitting!
"A little over an hour.. ..say an hour and a half."
So a $15k bike is a little over $10k, then?
That Salesman training will take you far, young man. :)
Funny how the title says "I" put that claim to the test but he's never on it. Hmm...
xD true
great video, but would love to see it moving and hear it
I own the blue one in premium trim. 0 - 100% with 6 kW charging in under 1 hour is not true. 6 kWh is 49% of the battery, so 1 hour from 50 to 100% (or 30 to 80%) is realistic. 0 - 100% takes 2,5 - 3 hours with 6 kW. On a trip, you never do that. You don't arrive empty and you don't have to leave full. Because balancing the cells to 100%, takes a lot of time. On a home plug with the granny charger it takes 4 - 4,5 hours, because it uses only one of the 2 onboard chargers then (3 kW each)
Thank you for breaking it down. Some of us get have gotten to lazy to do the math.
Thanks for telling the truth
Also how much do u think it cud go with speed of 40-50 mph?
@@yuaanrai6058 about 160 km (100 miles)
Very cool!
How much it's the battery replacement.
None. In normal cases (factory defects aside) it doesn't need to be replaced during the vehicle's life span.
Was this built by the Machines in Zero One?
So if I’m a bigger guy I could get maybe 75 miles to a charge. So I essentially could potentially ride an hour, charge and hour. So hypothetically a trip that would take me a little over 2 hours would take me over 4 due to charging? Yeah imma pass on that.
Or buy energica experia .. is twice the range half the charge time
To many bad reviews for Zero bikes. Nearly bought one but did some research on customer service and reliability, both short term and particularly long term. Quickly changed my mind and will save a little more for a better made Energica with superior specs.
I rode one today but with that price tag I'd buy a new bussa or zx14 lol
Why is everyone saying it's "quiet", when all I hear is whining (and often loud) in every situation?
This thing needs to be a lot louder in order to be safe for Highway use
People are proving that to me a myth...because a study indicated many people in cars dont hear even the loudest pipes on a bike until AFTER it passes you on the highway
So, whenever a Tesla is on the highway you hit them? Noise is irrelevant
Range is only determind to the amount of fuel you put in , and look at the price of petrol 40-50 mpg compered to the price electric 100 mile plus for a 5th of a gallon
how did I miss this video?
I’d always be worried about juice . Not much fun to be limited to riding style and range . You have a long way to go at 20,000 plus I’d need unlimited range
Actually for that price you only get half of what you said... You have to "unlock" the rest...
$2000 more and no hard saddle bags?!
You paid an extra $2000 for aluminum handlebars?!
Every time I say 'Im not against electric' I find myself on the road riding thinking - cant travel on that bike vs my 72 R/75 where it takes .. 3 min to fill? Electric def seems to be where local riding is going - if you only do local riding - or can afford two bikes, or can afford the electric bike ...
Are you saying that after 100 miles of riding you only take a 3 minute break??
@@cosmodoc if that is all I went, yes.
((😣)) 6:03 motorcycle and shorts .. poor show guys !!!! THINK SAFETY !!
For what they cost, I will stay with ⛽
I think these E-Bike manufacturers need to add a automatic 2 or 3 speed gear box to these to help get more mileage.....I can't believe they haven't thought of this....And I never see any manufacturer of any e-bike say what it would cost to replace the battery when it takes a shit.
Personally if this bike was around 6 to 8k I would buy one just to compare it to my 2019 Kawasaki 650.....Which I love by the way.
They are faster then the 650. More like a 600. The reason most of them don't use a gearbox is due to efficiency loss and weight gain.
Some motor manufacturers are doing it that way, sort off. If you run the motor at higher speeds (think 15k rpm) you can sneak a little more efficiency, but that's a reduction box, not a multi speed box like you suggest. Have a look at Equipmake.
There is no range benifit to a "normal" gearbox in an electric vehicle*
*terms and conditions apply! 😉
@@custommotor problem is they only remain fast after a certain percentage.. after that taper off based off percentage left
Riding with shorts?? Really? Is that the message you are sending to the motorcycle community? Everything else is great about this video - but you guys should be sending the right safety message. This past few months, here in the central California valley, there have been at least 5 fatal crashes. Mostly for irresponsible riding and safety precautions.
5th ... that's still a thing right? 🤪
It doesn't have enough range yet. It's very quiet. It needs noise for safety to alert drivers around you. Otherwise, it's pretty cool. I do like that the center of gravity is low. I bet it handles like a champ.
22 Grand ? :D you can get a Honda rebel for 4 grand, or less
Cough, WHAT, gah...? Polaris? Brammo? Zero? TFL? Huh? The hell is happening?
Can’t take anyone serious wearing lack of gear.
I feel like electric bikes manufacturers should do like the Porsche Taycan and add a "second gear" so it gets better mileage on the highway. 100 miles when touring is not very good.
Elon musk needs to make a motorcycle
Two wheels is so much better than four.
Price and range are still ridiculous, and I don't want one.
Is it American made, does anybody know?
Yes
It's one hundred sixty, not one hundred and sixty. The word 'and' is a separator only for a decimal or fraction.
Seriously no leathers? I'm sure the flannel shirt will protect you from a 70 mph crash....
Some people don't care, I crashed my bike got some bad road rash and still went out on my bike the next day
More electric please
Man, I wish someone could invent a better battery without getting assasinated by the oil companies 😅
This guy needs to learn what a cruiser is. Evidently not a motorcyclist!
Good video. Responsible bikers wear proper gear! Clowns belong in a circus. Zero has come a long way!
Wish it wasn't 20k
Go with the SR and save yourself about 5 grand.
No gears😳😳
Ego ftw
Love the bike, but will be embarrassed to tell people how much I paid. Way expensive!
There's some good prices on used in cycle trader.
Do you need a license and insurance for this? I have a Daymak and this blows it out of the damn water!!!
Definitely a short commuter type bike. No way 100 to 150 miles is going to work for long tours. Nice looking bike but still too pricey for me.
Donˋ t you need need to take any breaks during long tours?
@@cosmodoc no question breaks are necessary. But my experience has been of the relatively short, gas, snack, restroom variety. Not waiting for a battery to get recharged.
@@Desertfox92308 I prefer the chilled approach! A relaxed break, doing some reading etc, very enjoyable.
@@cosmodoc not going to argue with that! Lol
20 grand in a developing market ...
Wow. Looks like a rich boy toy. I don’t get it, unless you realllllly want to go all electric, if that’s kind of a philosophical thing for you, and don’t care how much you have to spend to do it and are willing to give up a lot of convenience (relatively speaking... how convenient are motorcycles?) too.
I wonder how many back country roads will have conveniently installed level 2 chargers exactly when you hit 0 and have to wait 1 1/2 hours to recharge. The reality is that you shouldn’t discharge to 0 then recharge to 100 all the time and the rapid chargers are harder on batteries than the slower chargers. So practical ranges will be much lower since you’d not want to rapid charge all the time and wouldn’t want to gamble on how far you can go so that you hit your garage at 20% charge.
Motorcycles in the USA are already a niche market (and unfortunately diminishing). To me, electric bikes are a niche inside of that niche. Battery chemistry (energy density) and recharge times (without damaging cells) must be vastly improved to at least compete with comparable gas powered bikes before I’d consider one.
For most people the range is fine. I'm almost certain most people do under 100 miles a day. I'll go through a whole tank in a day, but I'm odd for my area in southeastern va.
100 miles for $20k is asinine. Zero gonna have to do better than to get the masses to convert.
110 hp and 260 kg weight isnt very impressive on a motorcycle.
EV community toxic and petty AF. Good video
You’re going to look like a clown in full tuck at 70 like you would at 120+ so lets call it what it is, it goes 60-70 miles at 70 mph just like all the Zero bikes do. The problem with all EV bikes is the ridiculously short range because theres nowhere to put a bigger battery.
Two vehicles that will go away when EV’s takeover and that will be motorcycles and boats, both will be pointless.
I own a Zero S, and these bikes are really for people who commute around town, and maybe the next town over. They get outstanding range in town, I get around 100-110 miles in town, and I have the 13KW battery. It's a blast to ride, and cost me no gas. I bought mine used, that's the best way to buy one of these. It's a 2018 that I bought a few months ago, had 626 miles on it, and only paid 7k for it.
Why is this guy trying to sell me something?
Battery is too expencive. It sounds like crap and it looks like a 1990 motorcycle.
Not for me..
I see you attempted to save weight and preserve battery life by wearing T-shirt, shorts and trainers. Top marks for commitment 👍 But seriously, you’re in the public domain, you’re influencing people, you may not advocate that as the best or proper riding gear but it’s up there to be seen. Please understand your responsibly as a public service. And before I get a load of insults from people who want to preserve their rights and ride in whatever they want, great, if you don’t care about your own welfare, think about your family and friends or the poor people who witness and have to scrape bits of your body up off the tarmac. That said, good, honest and factual review, thanks for taking the time.
Not exactly the right choice for an Iron Butt ride.
Way to much coin for such low range at speed!
For all to know if you byy a zero you have no right to repair .. zero will help you in guarantee period .. but outside this period its pretty hardto get help ..also if you are lucky and your bike lasts long . By the time you need repair everything is renewed and they have no parts . Zero will advice you to buy a new bike ... think about it .. and than ask yourself .. every energica owner had a zero before .. and will never buy zero again .. offcourse dont believe me . Just ask around .. i have been a happy zero fx owner for 7 years ..
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA...ELECTRIC MOTORCYCLES, A FUTURE NIGHTMARE WHEN THE BATTERY GOES BELLY UP!
that bike is not worth the price
For this price you can buy Tesla car XD this bike is OVERPRICED
Energica is the only option someone should consider. But, you cannot buy a new Tesla for 21k.
Screw the government i don't want to switch to electric crap I want loud exhaust. Also don't want electric vehicles either screw this bull crap. You gonna pay me for my Harley and buy me a brand new electric bike I doubt it.
Overpriced pipe dream. The “money” you save will be spent on a new battery. These are not green, look into it!
So this bike compares to 7-8k gas bikes....giving you couple of lifetimes of gasoline for the rest of the money...
In 20 years electric bikes will be legit competition to ICE. The technology is really being put to the test now and there is no limit to what is possible with electric ⚡️ charging times will continue to get better and range will improve. Some bikes are fitted with engine notes that are customizable which seems cheesy but you can’t change the sound of a ICE unless you swap the exhaust. There are also bikes that are toying around with a “clutch” to give riders something to fiddle around with while riding. And most importantly prices will continue to get better as competition continues to strengthen in the market. We aren’t there yet but I can’t wait for electric bikes to be feasible
You may have to wait a long time and then will have to sell your overpriced ebike and buy and overpriced hydrogen one instead!
Please, if you guys need to get some gear if you're going to be reviewing bikes. Needs to be ATGAT with proper motorcycle equipment.
Seeing people with shorts, tshirt, casual sneakers, no gloves is hard to take seriously.
Keep in mind jeans are not OK either. Go out to your driveway and drop to your knees. Now run as fast as you can and do the same or do a leg-first baseball slide. Now go do that at 60mph.
Yeah as usual these bikes are grossly overpriced costing about the same as a car.
20k?! for 100 mile range. bonkers
No, it is not, running costs are about 5 times lower than for gas bikes
The only thing is loud pipes save lives, loud motorcycles are noticeable on the road and people pay attention to them
Lol. No. I probably have one of the loudest 1000cc bikes in my area and I can honestly say it is seen just as little as my quiet 500 ninja. Most modern cars are so good with NVH that they don't hear you until you are in front of them. Especially on the highways. Knowing how to ride a motorcycle is way more important.
@@custommotor Right on. A cage driver doesn't hear a car let alone a motorcycle with loud pipes. At speed on a highway you won't hear the bike until it's next to you if you're in a cage.
Stop every 100 miles for 1 hour charge? No, that is not 'convenient'. This is a status symbol for rich city people, nothing else. Just no.
Ridiculous money. The manufacturers are setting the price high so we all get used to it and then they will sell them to us on finance. Its a terrible con and don’t fall for it. I’m a fan of electric
But I’ll only buy when the price comes down, the weight comes down, the charging is the same time as filling up with petrol and the range is a sensible 160 miles of HARD riding. Please start giving an honest review instead of hyping up these bikes as a rival to petrol engined ones. But once they are.... I’m in!