Biggest problem is not the price and the range (which are huge), the biggest problem is the Electric bikes that will be released in the next few years that will be cheaper and with more range and then you will have a 3-4 year old bike that will be obsolete and you will have to sell these for scooter money.
100 miles and then how long to charge? (assuming you can find a working available fast charger)? Both ridiculously expensive toys until the range and charge times improve dramatically.
Oh sh**... I never even thought about that! Nick Sokolis famous for single handedly killing the electric bike market with one comment. R.I.P Livewire 😂
I don't know, they've been talking about revolutionary leaps in battery technology for decades, but the reality has been incremental improvements. I do hope the revolution happens though, because I won't be ready for the shift until electric bikes are actually competitive in terms of bang for buck performance, and are capable of the sort of distances necessary for anything but urban commuting here in Oz (without a company building a route of charging stations for your journey or backup vehicles lugging gensets).
You missed probably the biggest differentiator in the bikes which is the DC charging ability of the Livewire. That’s probably quite a contributor to the additional cost but means you can charge so much faster
DC fast charging isn't even in our area yet. We are however surrounded by hundreds of J plug Level 2 chargers...which the livewire doesn't use. If you plug a J into the livewire, it takes 9 hours. So if you don't have DC fast near you, you have no choice but to pass on the livewire. This is a big reason I went with a zero. An hour per charge is great, IF you have the network of chargers in your area. The zero on a J plug takes 2 hours and I didn't have to wait to have chargers built. Livewire does look great though. Wanted to test ride one but our local official Harley dealer won't install the required charger.
The DC fast charging on the Livewire is great but actually the reason why I bought a Zero. There just isn’t any place around me to fast charge it other than HD which is 50 mile away. Zero gives me level 2 which is plentiful. If HD can incorporate level 2 & 3 then I’d be all over it.
Thanks for your video. Regarding the range there is a huge difference between motorway riding and back road riding. You can nearly double the range on back road riding as you are using the regen a lot when slowing down for the corners. When on the motorway barely any regen takes place on both these bikes and they will both suffer with poor range. This is what I have found after owning the SR/F for a year.
I’ve ridden both these. The Livewire wins hands down, no contest, but at a price. If I hadn’t bought my Speed Twin as a second bike this year I would have got the Livewire, it truly impressed me that much.
I mean, granted you chose a Speed Twin over the livewire, that means the bikes aren't enticing enough for you to shell out the cash. Wallet voting is really what matters.
@@ralphwarom2514 I’d already bought the Speed Twin earlier in the year, before testing the Livewire. If I hadn’t, as much as I love my Speedie, I would have got the Livewire. It’s possibly one of my favourite bikes I’ve ever ridden, I found it intoxicating.
You know the eBike market is a joke when Harley, the company most stuck in the past and afraid of technology, comes out and blows away the competition with their initial offering.
@@csn583 No, HD was far behind the times for a long time and that only started to change recently with the Livewire and the Revolution Max engine/Pan America. Alta had nothing to steal. Harley invested in the company, saw that they had nothing special and also saw that the writing was already on the wall for that company. That's why Harley bailed.
I've ridden several Zeros and the Livewire. The Harley is way better, but the Zero gives good value once you factor in the insurance and low maintenance. You can find new Zeros for around 11k. I rarely ever ride more than 70 miles in one day so range is not an issue. I don't hardly ever ride faster than 70 mph and avg 30-35 mph during my urban commutes.
No Energica SS9+ or Ribelle added to the test?! Why have the test when excluding the (arguably) best electric motorcycle in this segment with bigger battery (21.5 KwH), DC fast charging and in the same price range... I don't understand the point of this test now... in order to find the best electric motorcycle and not including the (on paper) best one available, what's the point of the whole test?!
Thank you mate for the video, I agree with what you say about the Livewire. I'm from Australia. and yes I forked out 50 k AUD to buy the H-D Livewire and I absolutely love it. Well the main reason I brought it was because it was one of my goals to help me beat the cancers I've got riddled through my body. Every time I ride the bike, it gives me a smile on my face and has rekindled my love of motorcycling. One of the best features of the bike is the sheer quietness of the bike when you start it up or are in stop start traffic on a major road. It is probably the only bike in the H-D range that you can start up at 4 am in the morning and not wake up your next door neighbors.
Kawasaki Ninja 650 less than £7k or Zero for £20k, kitted out with crappy Chinese parts and bearly does 80 miles before a recharge......mmmm, how to make a decision on which is the best buy.
I really like the Livewire, but the price is just too much for my wallet. If it was priced the same as the Zero I would seriously consider it. Definitely not a bike to ride across the United States on though.
Maybe, but check out what Ewan and Charley are doing on Apple TV+'s "Long Way Up"---riding 2 Livewires all the way up from the tip of South America to Los Angeles, CA, USA--13,000 miles, across some seriously rough terrain. The Harley Livewire is impressing the heck out of me as I witness their exploits. I'm a Sportbike guy but when the electric bikes finally reach maturity I'm sure I'll take the plunge.
So where are they charging them up? I know of no charging stations anywhere near where I live, so it would be something that I would have to end up back at my house to charge. I could still ride one a lot with 100 miles range.
@@CraigSmith568 as I understand it, Harley Davidson flew to South America ahead of the bike trip and constructed a number of charging stations in locales where local electricity was not an option. So the guys had some planned charging targets and used local hospitality as well. As of the most recent episode, the following Rivian electric pickup trucks have also been equipped with chargers for the bikes as well. It’s a great adventure show, I highly recommend it.
The Long Way Up has really put me off the current generation of electric bikes. The only way to tempt me is to cut the price and see a huge improvement in charging infrastructure. It will happen but it’s just not there for me yet , especially as I live in a flat with no power in my garage .
I did see somewhere that the fairing on the zero apparently increases it's range at motorway speeds. Apparently something like 12 percent. Although it didn't sound like it has a very good range ! Both a bit too dear for me.
Very well done video with good points. I own a 2018 SR and have rode the Livewire. The Livewire is a premium product with unfortunately, a bit too premium a price for your average rider, myself included.
Interesting comparison. I live in Paris France and currently own a Zero FXE, which is a fun, engaging bike. I got an an SR/S for a test ride and came out underwhelmed. It just felt good and like it did things right, but I wasn't excited. I'm going to test the Livewire Del Mar when it gets to France this September. I may test the One too but 250kg is a bit much for my daily commutes which involve 60% tight filtering between almost touching rows of cars! But the more I see of the One, the more I like it's looks! And the price has come down to 23k euro, below that of the Zero🙃
This was interesting I was looking at live wire s2 del mar but now I'm looking at zero sr/f but according to this video live wire one seems the better option which I wasn't sure about
Insurance and monthly payment on pcp are a killer of any wish to convert to ev motorcycles from ice motorcycles, average £270 per month on a pcp, £4000 deposit and then £1500 fully comp insurance so for me any gains in £ for converting are not just there for me, I would convert but right now, I can not afford it and so it's not worth me thinking about yet.
I own Tesla. What people do not realize is for battery life you must keep it in the 20-80% range. It needs 150 miles range. I almost bought one but average 150 miles/ride. I own solar panels. I save $500/month on electricity/gas with my Tesla. 40,000 miles on my Tesla, no maintenance and no service center visits. Everything done over WiFi. My next bike will be an electric bike! Great video. The Harley is the best looking.
I'm looking forward to all the other brand entering the electric bike market. Damon from Canada, Savic from Australia, and so on. Better still, I'd love to see someone invent an electric 'powerplant' conversion kit ... imagine you've got an older motorcycle and you remove the original engine & fuel tank, then bolt in the electric motor & battery pack (with a nice molded bodywork cover) as a retrofit upgrade.
The Zero costs £8,000 (!) less than the Livewire. That's $11,250 (!!). And what do you get for this extra dough? A little better fit and finish. Think what you can buy for $11,250. A handmade Schott horsehide jacket, a top of the line Arai helmet, made-to-order leather boots, a motorcycle trailer, and a decent used car. You'd have to be nuts to buy the Livewire.
I think if we had Ev already we would have built infrastructure accordingly. Know one really needs to travel as far as they do just build what we need closer
@@chrishart8548 Everybody needs to travel as far as they do or else they wouldn't do it. The reasons are that where the work is and where affordable housing is are counties apart. Dictating where people should live and work will decrease the quality and options for everyone. Not only that, but when a single-car capable of reasonable distances (300+ miles), contains enough energy to power a house for a week, you know you are not looking at a scalable solution.
@@Kefuddle I love the way someone says live somewhere cheaper and you end up with a 1 1/2 hour commute each way and less time with your family. And wonder if it's really worth it and it ends up wearing a car out every decade. I'm in the UK if I could live in the north and work in the south life would be great. Houses are a 1/10th of the cost in the north but there is no work.
@@chrishart8548 The money centre is London. It takes time for money to 'radiate' away from the centre of money. It also takes time, a lot of time. By the time money reaches "oop north" it has attenuated (devalued and been taxed multiple times). The way to reduce waste, pollution, etc is quite simply to eliminate tax as much as possible as then money will 'radiate' and not 'attenuate'. Multiple centres of money supply will spring up. If you want to reduce waste and become more eco friendly, move away from fiat to blockchain. EVs would never survive such a market of free exchange. Now how's that for a tangent!!!
@@Kefuddle I am not smart enough to understand this. But I like the sound of it. Economics is a pretty big part of motorcycle purchase decisions. Where I live stuff is pretty cheap. So getting into motorcycling is as easy as 1500-3000$ (except fuel). Commutes are short and housing is affordable.
Bikers should get a bigger rebate than electric car buyers bc we a compromisig a great deal of practicality and keeping the roads declutered by not buying a car.
The Harley may be the better bike, but it's not $10K better at $30K+. My local Harley dealership doesn't even list the model on their website, new or used. They have a problem within their own dealerships if they don't even reveal it's existence. I can't buy what they don't sell or refuse to acknowledge.
Over 20000 to early in the tech to make sense to me considering if I want a naked bike I’ll just buy a normal whatever I want brand new for less than 10000
This review is basically a guy talking about how "good" is the Harley vs the Zero but in reality is that the Zero it's better in Price/Stats/Charge than the LiveWire so.. I just save you 12min of your life.
If they get the price down to 15K with reasonable build quality maybe just maybe it is worth it to get one but as of for now electric motorcycle is NOT WORTH IT!
Whether you like it or not, car technology is ahead of bikes- as an economic reality. Electric cars are still premium or compromised. We can expect mass market electric bikes 5-10 years after this happens on cars. The exception is limited range City bikes and scooters, which are far more viable than a big range, full performance PTW. Don't get me wrong, I like petrol. I'm sure I can like electric. But at present, range, performance and infrastructure standards are still being shaped. Of course, the BIG question is green electricy production on a scale big enough to power transport, power industry and heat houses instead of fossil fuels. This is the big one, as far as I can see and needs decade's of planning, which, let's face it, is not built into most political systems. Unless the majority decide they really want it........
I loved reading visordown when taking breaks from work. Now i enjoy the youtube channel. Good info...but why the HD comparison? I've been hearing how the specs of the livewire is trash compared to existing bikes from small companies. HD doesnt deserve the respect of comparing that product to decent bikes.
"HD - Michelin tires".... yes, because all that matters is aftermarket parts and sales. Best reason to not buy any HD. No effort in initial product design or engineering. Just clone outdated existing tech.
Biggest problem is not the price and the range (which are huge), the biggest problem is the Electric bikes that will be released in the next few years that will be cheaper and with more range and then you will have a 3-4 year old bike that will be obsolete and you will have to sell these for scooter money.
That's a "problem" with any new tech and known risk if you want to be early adopter.
100 miles and then how long to charge? (assuming you can find a working available fast charger)? Both ridiculously expensive toys until the range and charge times improve dramatically.
Oh sh**... I never even thought about that!
Nick Sokolis famous for single handedly killing the electric bike market with one comment. R.I.P Livewire 😂
I have solar so it’s not so much a toy but a serious consideration as my “gas” if that’s what you wanna call it would be free, not cheaper but free.
I don't know, they've been talking about revolutionary leaps in battery technology for decades, but the reality has been incremental improvements. I do hope the revolution happens though, because I won't be ready for the shift until electric bikes are actually competitive in terms of bang for buck performance, and are capable of the sort of distances necessary for anything but urban commuting here in Oz (without a company building a route of charging stations for your journey or backup vehicles lugging gensets).
I will wait until the magic of competing companies takes effect and brings range up and prices down.
Wait for the Japanese to enter the game of course.
@@TommyAngelo1337 of course.
You missed probably the biggest differentiator in the bikes which is the DC charging ability of the Livewire. That’s probably quite a contributor to the additional cost but means you can charge so much faster
Lack of DC fast charging would be a deal killer for me.
DC fast charging isn't even in our area yet. We are however surrounded by hundreds of J plug Level 2 chargers...which the livewire doesn't use. If you plug a J into the livewire, it takes 9 hours. So if you don't have DC fast near you, you have no choice but to pass on the livewire. This is a big reason I went with a zero. An hour per charge is great, IF you have the network of chargers in your area. The zero on a J plug takes 2 hours and I didn't have to wait to have chargers built. Livewire does look great though. Wanted to test ride one but our local official Harley dealer won't install the required charger.
The DC fast charging on the Livewire is great but actually the reason why I bought a Zero. There just isn’t any place around me to fast charge it other than HD which is 50 mile away. Zero gives me level 2 which is plentiful. If HD can incorporate level 2 & 3 then I’d be all over it.
Thanks for your video. Regarding the range there is a huge difference between motorway riding and back road riding. You can nearly double the range on back road riding as you are using the regen a lot when slowing down for the corners. When on the motorway barely any regen takes place on both these bikes and they will both suffer with poor range. This is what I have found after owning the SR/F for a year.
I’ve ridden both these. The Livewire wins hands down, no contest, but at a price. If I hadn’t bought my Speed Twin as a second bike this year I would have got the Livewire, it truly impressed me that much.
I mean, granted you chose a Speed Twin over the livewire, that means the bikes aren't enticing enough for you to shell out the cash. Wallet voting is really what matters.
@@ralphwarom2514 I’d already bought the Speed Twin earlier in the year, before testing the Livewire. If I hadn’t, as much as I love my Speedie, I would have got the Livewire. It’s possibly one of my favourite bikes I’ve ever ridden, I found it intoxicating.
i love what you've done with the landscaping. lol
Its the careful placement of the scrap PVC that adds the finishing touch.
The livewire looks amazing, would love to have one at 20k euro. 30k is just too much
You know the eBike market is a joke when Harley, the company most stuck in the past and afraid of technology, comes out and blows away the competition with their initial offering.
I think you are confusing a company with its customers. Though H-D did well to steal Alta's IP.
@@csn583 No, HD was far behind the times for a long time and that only started to change recently with the Livewire and the Revolution Max engine/Pan America.
Alta had nothing to steal. Harley invested in the company, saw that they had nothing special and also saw that the writing was already on the wall for that company. That's why Harley bailed.
Make a Drag Race and Lap Time video of Both bikes 🏁
I've ridden several Zeros and the Livewire. The Harley is way better, but the Zero gives good value once you factor in the insurance and low maintenance. You can find new Zeros for around 11k. I rarely ever ride more than 70 miles in one day so range is not an issue. I don't hardly ever ride faster than 70 mph and avg 30-35 mph during my urban commutes.
No Energica SS9+ or Ribelle added to the test?! Why have the test when excluding the (arguably) best electric motorcycle in this segment with bigger battery (21.5 KwH), DC fast charging and in the same price range... I don't understand the point of this test now... in order to find the best electric motorcycle and not including the (on paper) best one available, what's the point of the whole test?!
Thank you mate for the video, I agree with what you say about the Livewire. I'm from Australia. and yes I forked out 50 k AUD to buy the H-D Livewire and I absolutely love it.
Well the main reason I brought it was because it was one of my goals to help me beat the cancers I've got riddled through my body. Every time I ride the bike, it gives me a smile on my face and has rekindled my love of motorcycling. One of the best features of the bike is the sheer quietness of the bike when you start it up or are in stop start traffic on a major road. It is probably the only bike in the H-D range that you can start up at 4 am in the morning and not wake up your next door neighbors.
28k!?!? Batteries better come included 😂
Kawasaki Ninja 650 less than £7k or Zero for £20k, kitted out with crappy Chinese parts and bearly does 80 miles before a recharge......mmmm, how to make a decision on which is the best buy.
Ninja 650 looks and handles better. And lighter.
J.Juan is Spanish. They supply Moto2 and MotoGP
Would love to have either one of these ebikes but common sense and my wallet made me just buy a new 2019 ninja 650.....Which I love by the way.
I really like the Livewire, but the price is just too much for my wallet. If it was priced the same as the Zero I would seriously consider it. Definitely not a bike to ride across the United States on though.
Maybe, but check out what Ewan and Charley are doing on Apple TV+'s "Long Way Up"---riding 2 Livewires all the way up from the tip of South America to Los Angeles, CA, USA--13,000 miles, across some seriously rough terrain. The Harley Livewire is impressing the heck out of me as I witness their exploits. I'm a Sportbike guy but when the electric bikes finally reach maturity I'm sure I'll take the plunge.
So where are they charging them up? I know of no charging stations anywhere near where I live, so it would be something that I would have to end up back at my house to charge. I could still ride one a lot with 100 miles range.
@@CraigSmith568 as I understand it, Harley Davidson flew to South America ahead of the bike trip and constructed a number of charging stations in locales where local electricity was not an option. So the guys had some planned charging targets and used local hospitality as well. As of the most recent episode, the following Rivian electric pickup trucks have also been equipped with chargers for the bikes as well. It’s a great adventure show, I highly recommend it.
@@greggiacona238 Charlie and Ewan have 2 cars, a van and Rivian and Harley providing support.
The Long Way Up has really put me off the current generation of electric bikes. The only way to tempt me is to cut the price and see a huge improvement in charging infrastructure. It will happen but it’s just not there for me yet , especially as I live in a flat with no power in my garage .
I did see somewhere that the fairing on the zero apparently increases it's range at motorway speeds. Apparently something like 12 percent. Although it didn't sound like it has a very good range !
Both a bit too dear for me.
Price and range always a sticking point
Keep in mind, the Zero has upgradeable charging or power, still at lower cost than the livewire.
If these bikes had a 200 mile range (full throttle) then they would be a def alternative.
Still to much at the price they are!
Very well done video with good points. I own a 2018 SR and have rode the Livewire. The Livewire is a premium product with unfortunately, a bit too premium a price for your average rider, myself included.
You Really need to see this Video! "HD Livewire Deathtrap"
Interesting comparison. I live in Paris France and currently own a Zero FXE, which is a fun, engaging bike. I got an an SR/S for a test ride and came out underwhelmed. It just felt good and like it did things right, but I wasn't excited. I'm going to test the Livewire Del Mar when it gets to France this September. I may test the One too but 250kg is a bit much for my daily commutes which involve 60% tight filtering between almost touching rows of cars! But the more I see of the One, the more I like it's looks! And the price has come down to 23k euro, below that of the Zero🙃
Very informative and interesting thanks 👍
This was interesting I was looking at live wire s2 del mar but now I'm looking at zero sr/f but according to this video live wire one seems the better option which I wasn't sure about
Insurance and monthly payment on pcp are a killer of any wish to convert to ev motorcycles from ice motorcycles, average £270 per month on a pcp, £4000 deposit and then £1500 fully comp insurance so for me any gains in £ for converting are not just there for me, I would convert but right now, I can not afford it and so it's not worth me thinking about yet.
I own Tesla. What people do not realize is for battery life you must keep it in the 20-80% range. It needs 150 miles range. I almost bought one but average 150 miles/ride. I own solar panels. I save $500/month on electricity/gas with my Tesla. 40,000 miles on my Tesla, no maintenance and no service center visits. Everything done over WiFi. My next bike will be an electric bike! Great video. The Harley is the best looking.
How can you even spend 500 a month on gas + electricity? Let alone save 500 a month.
Are you referring to gas as in petrol or gas to heat the house?
awesome review. no bullshit just straight up facts and opinion. thank you.
Whats the way of licences when looking at them!?!
Same as any other motorcycle.
@@chrishart8548 really, thought being electric they'd be different
@@ImLazarus666 well the only thing available with no license is a 15.5mph assisted bicycle
You can have a CBT electric motorcycle but that would still require L plates and a CBT every 2 years
I'm looking forward to all the other brand entering the electric bike market. Damon from Canada, Savic from Australia, and so on. Better still, I'd love to see someone invent an electric 'powerplant' conversion kit ... imagine you've got an older motorcycle and you remove the original engine & fuel tank, then bolt in the electric motor & battery pack (with a nice molded bodywork cover) as a retrofit upgrade.
Energica!!!
Great video out the two bikes it would have to be the livewire looking forward to next video stay safe 🇬🇧👍🏻
Need more range and faster charging but great 1st gen products.
The Zero costs £8,000 (!) less than the Livewire. That's $11,250 (!!). And what do you get for this extra dough? A little better fit and finish. Think what you can buy for $11,250. A handmade Schott horsehide jacket, a top of the line Arai helmet, made-to-order leather boots, a motorcycle trailer, and a decent used car. You'd have to be nuts to buy the Livewire.
If we invented EVs before ICVs do you think petroleum and ICE would be hailed as new tech as it solves all the problems batteries create?
I think if we had Ev already we would have built infrastructure accordingly. Know one really needs to travel as far as they do just build what we need closer
@@chrishart8548 Everybody needs to travel as far as they do or else they wouldn't do it. The reasons are that where the work is and where affordable housing is are counties apart. Dictating where people should live and work will decrease the quality and options for everyone. Not only that, but when a single-car capable of reasonable distances (300+ miles), contains enough energy to power a house for a week, you know you are not looking at a scalable solution.
@@Kefuddle I love the way someone says live somewhere cheaper and you end up with a 1 1/2 hour commute each way and less time with your family. And wonder if it's really worth it and it ends up wearing a car out every decade. I'm in the UK if I could live in the north and work in the south life would be great. Houses are a 1/10th of the cost in the north but there is no work.
@@chrishart8548 The money centre is London. It takes time for money to 'radiate' away from the centre of money. It also takes time, a lot of time. By the time money reaches "oop north" it has attenuated (devalued and been taxed multiple times). The way to reduce waste, pollution, etc is quite simply to eliminate tax as much as possible as then money will 'radiate' and not 'attenuate'. Multiple centres of money supply will spring up. If you want to reduce waste and become more eco friendly, move away from fiat to blockchain. EVs would never survive such a market of free exchange. Now how's that for a tangent!!!
@@Kefuddle I am not smart enough to understand this. But I like the sound of it. Economics is a pretty big part of motorcycle purchase decisions. Where I live stuff is pretty cheap. So getting into motorcycling is as easy as 1500-3000$ (except fuel). Commutes are short and housing is affordable.
Wel they fixed that price gap by now 😂
Bikers should get a bigger rebate than electric car buyers bc we a compromisig a great deal of practicality and keeping the roads declutered by not buying a car.
My Chinese Electric Motorcycle on my channel will smoke them both.
The Harley may be the better bike, but it's not $10K better at $30K+. My local Harley dealership doesn't even list the model on their website, new or used. They have a problem within their own dealerships if they don't even reveal it's existence. I can't buy what they don't sell or refuse to acknowledge.
No inline 4 or V4 in the future only electric
@The USS Johnston well got no choice mate
@@LMsan08 There's always a choice. Seems a bit drastic though.
Harley, best looking electric bike at the moment 😎
Over 20000 to early in the tech to make sense to me considering if I want a naked bike I’ll just buy a normal whatever I want brand new for less than 10000
Great review. Harley, get the Livewire around or below 20k and you will sell them like hotcakes.
When electrics cost less than internal combustion engine bikes, let me know. Until then these things can ____ off and die.
And insurance through the roof...
This review is basically a guy talking about how "good" is the Harley vs the Zero but in reality is that the Zero it's better in Price/Stats/Charge than the LiveWire so.. I just save you 12min of your life.
Really!? Oh God take me now ...
Might want to buy the Zero if you want a company that still produces (and supports) motorcycles 10 years from now!
This comparison is laughable.
If they get the price down to 15K with reasonable build quality maybe just maybe it is worth it to get one but as of for now electric motorcycle is NOT WORTH IT!
New tech, R&D on new tech must be expensive first go around. The wealthy buy to allow cheaper bikes for the masses later.
Whether you like it or not, car technology is ahead of bikes- as an economic reality. Electric cars are still premium or compromised. We can expect mass market electric bikes 5-10 years after this happens on cars. The exception is limited range City bikes and scooters, which are far more viable than a big range, full performance PTW. Don't get me wrong, I like petrol. I'm sure I can like electric. But at present, range, performance and infrastructure standards are still being shaped. Of course, the BIG question is green electricy production on a scale big enough to power transport, power industry and heat houses instead of fossil fuels. This is the big one, as far as I can see and needs decade's of planning, which, let's face it, is not built into most political systems. Unless the majority decide they really want it........
The Livewire feels solid at every turn.
I loved reading visordown when taking breaks from work. Now i enjoy the youtube channel. Good info...but why the HD comparison? I've been hearing how the specs of the livewire is trash compared to existing bikes from small companies. HD doesnt deserve the respect of comparing that product to decent bikes.
Did you actually watch the video or just open your mouth and let useless drivel fall out?
Electric bikes have ridiculous depereciation
Will that improve?
Maybe.
p.s. fucking awful music
"HD - Michelin tires".... yes, because all that matters is aftermarket parts and sales. Best reason to not buy any HD. No effort in initial product design or engineering. Just clone outdated existing tech.
No sound no thanks.
High pitched whine..
The range of these bikes is shit.