🏁 When an F1 car ran at LE MANS
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 11 ก.ย. 2024
- Could an F1 car run the full circuit at Le Mans? Fernando Alonso and Alpine found out in 2021, and they also ran simulations to work out how quick a full lap at racing speeds could be compared to the leading sportscar racers
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Im surprised Nandos car didnt break down during that lap.
Wasn’t the 22 car
@@jacpfc01 true
It’s because he didn’t have Ocon to fight against. Otherwise he’d burst into tears, start crying and playing victim
Then say the whole media is against him
@@AZBCDEEas usual
@@AZBCDEE this dude live and breath hating Alonso and I love it.
F1 le mans series, I'm in
Would be veryyy funn
Imagine lots of driver raced in the same race for the same team
Every engine will be dead after 400km 🥲
F1 , f2 and f3 racing together 🤩
@@essereferrari16 formula 4: 🥲
Now that would be a track to put on the calendar.
Enough crappy terrible street circuits. A real racing circuit.
Dude, this track is a street track
@@andosrailway2369 most of it is a street circuit.
@@andosrailway2369 He referenced crappy, terrible street circuits. This can be a street circuit and still "a real racing curcuit".
@@andosrailway2369 not street but roads
Circuit La Sarthe is so bumpy none of the F1 cars would survive the first 30 minutes.
This clip raised more questions than it answered.
😂😂😂
so its safe to run leman? but not safe to run f1?
where is the logic
@@forsaken7161roads too bumpy and not enough safety barriers
@@forsaken7161 Bro f1 cars and lemans are different so of course safety will be different
@@forsaken7161open wheel open cockpit cars are completely different when it comes to safety. Le mans used to have open cockpit cars but they didn't have open wheels. Safety structures on an F1 car are also different.
I reckon they'd have to pull the aero out of it to get a decent top speed, but then it'd be pretty sketchy through the back end of the lap
They don't need it, if they can do a sub 3 minute lap.
and I mean with these new regulations cars, they have a lot less drag so it's even quicker since they still have massive downforce from the venturi tunnels
Kimi Raikonnen set the highest top speed at Monza when he was at ferrari (341kph), so I don't believe these regs have less drag
Detune the engine ina way that it doesn't blow up after 5h of running... There isa looot to change on that car to survive the race.
Wasn't the gearing the biggest problem? F1 doesn't allow the gear ratios to be changed within a season so they couldn't utilize the long straight.
Setup would be interesting, layout is similar to the old Hockenheim.
Spot on son 👏
Just twice as long.
And see what disgrace the owner did to Hockenheim, driven by the desire to keep his F1 contract, only to lose it a couple of years later...
I haven't been to Hockenheim since they changed it!
@@PatsFanGermany True, it was the worst decision ever
yeah... exactly why it wont ever happen. every track needs to be identical with that standard straight, short straight, 3 hairpins and 15 soft curves laid in different order. its like tilke is using some old snes game track editor and slaps the allowed pieces around and voila
Get rid of the chicanes at the Mulsanne straight and let the F1 car with full DRS run full beans there. Not just for the car less than 1 sec behind. Every single one, leading or chasing. That’s gonna be a sight to watch.
When Alonso doesn’t want to go flat out their is a problem
Some of the endurance racing circuits are not meant for cars like F1. I know at least 1 of them is being changed because it is extremely dangerous for the endurance racing drivers also. I forgot which track it was. They are going to be changing 1 or 2 turns if I recall correctly.
@@shadowdraco8660yeah but I think the problem at me man’s would be the same as the Nurburgring
@@theamericanaustrian6363 I think so also.
Its a pretty common thing when f1 cars do show runs often it’s because the tracks aren’t f1 grade and thus a speed limit is applied to the f1 cars. I also imagine there’s something to do with testing rules considering this looked like that years car obviously being driven by fernando
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Circuit de la Sarthe is a very flowing but demanding track. It would require more advanced cooling perhaps because so much of the track is covered at full throttle. F1 engines are extreme-performance but short-life units. That would make the cars heavier. The aero would be the biggest problem perhaps, as a few others here have suggested.
afaik full throttle percentage is similar to Monza and Spa, ~85%
Nah, nonsense. A lap of this track is like 2 laps of Monza.
@@amjan percentage ...
I don’t think F1 will have cooling issue on a high speed track.. usually is the low speed track suffered on cooling.. more air = more cooling.. in any case.. I think F1 car would suffer too much cooling causing lost of brake temperature and probably tire temperature too.. due to lack of cornering.. F1 engine nowadays need to do 5-6 race + practice session.. so as long as u don’t run them 24 hour & run them probably 95-97% peak.. they’d do just fine.. they pretty bulletproof now..
You all make good points. I feel like I didn't think enough about it...
Fernando can do no wrong in my eyes. Always been amazing behind the wheel of anything.
I was at Le Mans last week. Incredible. Surreal experience. I'd advise any motorsport fan to go once atleast
I was there as well for the 100th year edition, it was a surreal experience
I have to go next year after watching since the old Peugeot days to now it’s always been a dream and I’m gonna make it a reality next year to see those Aston martins in the hyper car
People usually forgets that La Sarthe (on the Le Mans 24H config.) runs partially on a civilian (if not rural) segment, which weathered condition make it less than ideal for a F1.
You're acting like street circuits arent a thing 💀
@@bruhmoment2312 a lot of street circuits are covered with new asphalt before the race
@@bruhmoment2312 There's a Mulsanne (pun totally intended) difference between the asphalt of, let's say, Monaco, and the asphalt of the average rural France.
Even if the asphalt is brand new, the terrain is extremely uneven, something that your average LMP or GT could take without issues, but not a F1.
@@MAC-0 true dat
@@timothee621No they aren’t covered with new asphalt a few days before, As that would mean it would get ripped up once the cars went out on it as the surface wouldn’t have cured enough and would still be letting the asphalt’s oils seep out causing it to be slippery, The only alterations they do to a street circuit surface is weld down all man hole and drain covers and remove or use anti skid paint on road markings
Is there enough braking at Le Mans to charge the ERS system properly for consistent racing??
It could re gen while driving in a straight line but totally reliant on the V6 only
@@TNTHammer well not entirely as a big chunk comes from electricity generated under braking in the MGU-K plus you’d also have overtake which would make the problem even worse
I don’t think an F1 car could lap consistently around Le Mans without a bigger battery pack or limited power
@@christiansimmons630 I didn't say anything wrong did I? I said it would only be reliant on the V6t for power if it's Regen on the straights. Severely underpowered and can't use overtake. It's not optimal but all the cars would have the same issue so the competition would be the same
@@TNTHammer you said it could regen in a straight line. That is wrong. Most of an F1 cars energy is gathered under braking hence why they try to avoid clipping on the straights. You need braking zones to regen the ERS and there isn’t enough at Le Mans for F1
Yes running on V6 only would is correct but it’s be terrible
@@christiansimmons630 i hate to nitpick, but the cars can regen in a straight line using the energy from the engine/turbo if I'm not mistaken, normally all of the regened energy goes right back into the engine though. That being said, the mulsanne straight could be run under full regen until the final chicane, letting them release maximum deploy until the end of the straight. It'd be fun to watch but an absolute pain to plan for.
As an Alonso's fan, I only followed the 24h of Le Mans in 2018 and 2019 because of him, but it's breathtaking, one of the most gorgeous circuits in the world.
an f1 engine wont run for 24 hours straight without dying
Durability wise it should last but with 24 hours of full force racing it may last 20ish hours now if they do like 75% racing I may last all 24 hours and with a few laps at max speed.
Acting like they can't detune it or do testing to run a full 24 hours. Christ their budgets are in the 200million plus range... with COST CAPS.
@@yhelloh would the cost caps apply to wec/ Le Mans if f1 joins it, like would the only be allowed to race the newest version of the car. And if the cost cap doesn’t apply I think that would be a giant loophole just develop the car “for wec” and use the technology for f1. If f1 does race in wec races I think they would either have its own budget or implement a net budget for both wec and f1.
@@wow-sham1300 it would be completely separate the same way nascar garage 56 was. keep the look, name, and style of said brand (nascar, f1, WEC, whatever) and keep it separate. it would become the greatest spectacle of motor sports EVER, and that’s coming from a huge indy 500 fan.
If only the engine were the issue...
The average build for a F1, in comparison with it's closest equivalent on speed, a LMP, it's ridiculously frail.
Chassis composition, suspension, even the ground clearance, and please don't make me start about the prohibition of "Open-Roof" chassis.
There's a reason Audi stopped using it on their models after the R15.
Considering the multiple layput options, i think Le Mans would be a good addition to the F1 calendar.
It doesn't have to be the full track, there's the shorter track too.
Please don't, i live 800m from the bugatti, it's already vroomng all the year, dont add f1 to this xdddd
If during tire changes the teams could also replace engines so yes, a F1 car could participate in an endurance race.
The cost for that race would be absolutely ridiculous
drop a TDI engine into a F1 chassis lol
Costs would be high but so would the rewards and marketing deals. Epic!!!!
@MyGaming Den You can't set a lap record with a car that do not follow the same rules/ restrictions.
All Le Man prototypes have strict power limitations so of course they will be slower...
@MyGaming Den For someone accusing others "for treating this like a competition" you are the one that seemed the most invested in.
Le Man cars have power restrictions of both 670bhp on combustion or 520 kW if electric, thats it, the full potential of those prototypes are restricted for endurance purposes.
F1 cars are at Apex performance, that it why they burn engines worth millions in a single race... All i said was that comparison was unnecessary due to widely different machines designed to do different things.
You are the one that got butthurt about this...
Le Mans F1 prototype cars would be nuts
An F1 race at Le Mans the week before the 24hr would be great for both F1 and WEC. F1 Grand Prix could run with the "support" being the WEC test sessions and LMP 3 races.
on the bugatti circuit perhaps, but i think there's too much going on over there for the fia to be able to put an f1 race there
F1 should do a Garage 56 like Nascar does
Just slap on a Monza package and watch the speedometer go to like 280mph. Lmfao XD
Sub-3 minute does sound possible, but how reliable it will be in 24 hours is an entirely different thing altogether.
F1 cars aren’t designed for 24 hour races. That Porsche that briefly held the Spa record would not have lasted 24 hours (it had special tyres etc). If you allowed F1 to use all its battery, remove fuel flow restrictions etc it would obliterate 3:14 and be way under 3 mins. Even in low drag set up they are not designed for huge straights.
Engine cant last more than couple hours
F1 race is a minimum 305km, which only needs 23 laps here. A 3-min lap time would give about and hour and change to run the whole race.
@@xjamesss2129they can, just not 24hrs !
@@KnockKnockNeo that is if all goes well and not all in same day
You should also note that the record is before they added a chicane, sub-three minuets record with the chicane is something
Actually no. The record of 3:14,7 was set by Kamui Kobayashi in a Toyota TS050 in 2017 in Qualifying on the track with chicanes. The fastest laptime without chicanes was a 3:13,9 set by Pedro Rodriguez in a Porsche 917 in 1971.
@Tobias Meine oh, thanks, didn't know that
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A normal F1 race at Le Mans would be 22 laps (13,627 km divided by 300 km). Maybe it’s worth considering it. At least to try it once.
i recall back in 95 a 333sp posted a faster lap time than the f-1 fastest lap time at silverstone the same year.
The greatest looking F1 car on one of the best race tracks ever
If F1 raced here, Haas would definitely get bankrupt.
Nikita is not driving anymore...
You misspelled Schumacher
that helicopter shot of it full throttle on the straight. its really somethin!
Love the lockup at the Mulsanne chicane; consummate racer.
There is a version of the track with Chicanes on the Mulsane strait that would help in many ways with an F1 race.
Wish this could be put on the calendar
I hate the thought of F1 at Le Mans.
it's a wonderful track and a lot of that is because F1 never touched it. There are a lot of circuits in general that I feel have gotten worse after F1 drove on them. I would absolutely hate to see what F1 would do to the temple of Endurance Racing
F1 itself is cool but everything that comes with it in particular fanbase full of toxic fans make it a bit meh in some ways
remember that absurd chicane in Estoril?
Or to stay on current F1 tracks the murdering of Barcelona is awful
God yes
WEC is my last stronghold of motorsport I fully enjoy and the mere thought of f1 coming near it is incensing. They're already going to ruin motogp, leave WEC alone!
id be suprised if a sub 3 is possible.. the current 3:14 was set in a Toyota TS050 that has a similar top speed to an F1 car (220mph) and similar levels of downforce
The F1 is about 200kg lighter than an LMP1 so there is an advantage on acceleration through the twisties. I guess Renault have run their numbers but cutting 15 seconds off the current lap record would need one heck of an alignment of the stars and planets...
Well, Le-man's MLP prototypes are pretty much enclised hull F1s.
God the pre pinked alpine was a gorgeous looking car
I bet the biggest issue is keeping heat in the brakes.
They would probably have to add a few chicanes down those long straights.
Well, the 50 other cars up on racing manage it quite well
It would kinda suck for an f1 race tbh
1. The Mulsanne Strait would cause a lot of strain on the engines and brakes. Plus, cars with weaker power units would be eaten alive.
2. It’s just too long of a circuit. It breaks the FIA’s length regulations for f1 and if it somehow got approved, the race would only be like 30 laps
3. The HUGE circuit would have to go under expensive renovation to host an f1 race (barriers, runoff areas, track lights, etc.
4. And finally, the GP circuit would just be way better for f1 compared to the endurance circuit
2021 Alpine was so god damn beautiful. Now with the pink idk...
Imagine if this race was a constructors only 24 hour race. One car with drivers switching on and off with their teammate
It would be insane to see a full on F1 Grand Prix at Le Mans.
That would make for a good race, although they would probably need chicanes on the long straights, to make the track more safe for F1
@Simon Bolduc also because some idiots thought it would be funny to reach 407 for shits and giggles
Surely that's like asking a sprinter to do an ultra marathon
What is? Everything in this is about 1 lap, not the entire 24 hours
He went godmode in Canada
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Epic thank you
Make f1 a support race.
God that 2021 Alpine was beautiful
You mean livery? This isn't the 2021 alpine
For those saying "well why don't we run there?" The normal La mons circuit (used for the 24 hour race) is too long. It's about 13.6 km (8.5 miles for my fellow Americans). For comparison spa (the longest circuit on the f1 calendar) is 7.004 km (4.352 miles) Long. F1 circuits can only be max 7km long according to the rules (spa is the one exception due to its historical significance) La mons is nearly 2x over that. There would have to be an alternative layout created specifically for formula one in order for it to be run. Not to mention the Saftey changes needed. There is the Bugatti Circuit that f1 actually has run on before and is suited to f1 but it wouldn't be the same.
24 hours of F1 😮
24 hours of pit stops
F1 will need a minimum drag setup because of the Mulsanne straight, making the twisty last sector quite tricky. The 2022 cars would've been funny to watch with all the porpoising, and absolute hell for the driver having to endure all that.
But then, Fernando did this *space music*
It would definitely take a lot of money to get that circuit up to grade 1 safety standards. The cars wouldn’t be a problem. They’re far more reliable than they used to be, but the setup would be tricky…You want a Monza spec aero setup with a Hungary setup for the other half of the lap. You could probably sort that out with the use of DRS and some gearing changes though.
Now why would Le Mans need to change and Monaco not? Circuit de La Sarthe is perfectly as it is right now. And even then, it was best in the 90s with that huge drop off on the Mulsanne.
Would love to see f1 at this track.
Remember when Alpine had such a beautiful livery?
Show the friggin lap!
Cant show a 3 minute video in shorts
I think it would be cool to have lemans on the calendar, it takes 3 minutes for a lap so I would say around 50 - 60 laps would be a good amount of laps I think
that would actually be an awesome track to watch f1 at, many long straights and dive bomb spots
That’s pretty incredible. 5 seconds per minute is huge. I wonder how much of it is down to the decreased weight of an F1 car, and if the absence of endurance being a consideration, and how much of it is sheer R&D budgets blowing Le Mans out of the water
Yes, that is if it’s a 2 hour LeMans race edition!
I would love to see Grand Prix’s at De La Sarthe
Sigma Hypercars
Don’t compare Hypercars to f1 cars, try driving an f1 car for 24 hours straight at one of the most demanding circuits
Considering an engine on F1 needs to run 7/8 races, and every race is 1 to 2 hours, F1 will not be able to run 24 hours without blowing the engine.
@@cicci0salsicci0 also driver change , refuelling would have to come in to play bernie runied group c to make f1 number one motorsport so let F1 stay away from endurance
@@kierenboimufc5940 If they swapped drivers and cars it would work. I.e Hamiltion for the first stint, Russel for the second , Hamilton back for the third etc. The question is if a 10-man race would be interesting...maybe if they include reserve drivers as 2nd teammates to the grid, but that would require two extra cars per team then.
Everybodys thinking about aero and engine cooling while Im thinking about how the tires would handle it, extreme heat on one end of the track and cold chattering on the other end
No way his engine lasted more than 10 kms
Anyone else thinking do a one off Final race there a sort of exhibition of sorts no penalties etc for engine or gearbox changes etc would be mental
When F1 enters the chat.
They should run a modified f1 car at the 24h of Le Mans under garage 56
Is it coming to le mans ? Cant wait for it
Don't think so
No lol
No, Le Mans is too long for F1. Max lap length can be 7 Km, Le Mans is just over 13 Km.
It would be awesome to see a F1 Garage 56 entry in the future
Now string together 480 of those 3 minute laps to make 24 hours…
Car wouldn’t make 24 hrs
@@kierenboimufc5940 that’s my point, you can’t compare F1 lap times and LMP lap times
@@Case16710 everyone shows the cars at speed but then need to remember a lmp1 will go that for 24hrs more. Its like putting a top feul dragster against and f1 car over a mile but any longer the f1 would win the all completely different cars for different races. I was agreeing we don’t want F1 near WEC bernie ruined group c as it was getting to big for F1
It would be cool to see them race here but it’s not worth ruining a good track
Sir Lewis Hamilton and a w11 we’ll be looking at a 2 minute 40 😮💨😮💨😮💨
You couldn’t help yourself could u
@@ploppyjr2373 calm down mate
@@ZAINZ00M ah yes, calm down. I barely said anything lmao
People forget. There is an F1 track there. Bugatti Circuit. It uses the same starting line as the LeMans circuit but is shorter. It would work very well for F1
Yeah, not much different from Zandvoort in terms of width and length 🤷🏽♂️
It's grade 2 at the moment, so couldn't currently hold a race.
What was his lap time
He didn’t run a competitive lap
they'd have to have a special gearbox with a much longer gear ratio for this track. f1 cars would probably already come with topspeed out of T8.
What's that song tho?
Did you find it?
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Today the record is 3:14 and in ’66 it was 3:30. So many years yet so little time Crazy what that team pulled off
It would be cool if Formula 1 had it’s won 24 hour race
That would be a nightmare, it's already exhausting driving an F1 car in 2-3 hours, it'll take them more drivers than 3 to do it
Also, F1 cars are more finicky and fragile, and a nightmare to repair
@@setsunaseiei7862 yeah, simply because F1 cars are not made to endure longer races
cars cant make the 24h + even changing drivers in the car and that would still be dangerous for the drivers,would be fun to see but its not worth the price(as in some drivers will have long term problems ),however i would like to see the whole grid in gt cars going at it knowing those cars can take more punishment.
The engines would blow after 4 hours.
You're kidding right?
SF90 will be the king in lemans if that happen. Those straights are the main prowess of that car.
What kind of circuit changes would Fernando propose? Extra chickens?
Maybe you mean chicanes? I just feel sad that I can't speak any foreign languages 🙁
I would love to see an F1 race Le Mans style. That would be fantastic.
Le Mans is an endurance race, and an F1 car is not designed for that. Even if it could be a little bit faster than the current lap record, no way would an F1 engine endure a Le Mans race at that speed.
Alo drove everything even a bycycle 1970s ahah. Is an awesome driver
Assuming the engine could handle it why not have a 24 laps of lemans
Bc they couldn't. It like asking a compact to carry a 10t load.
Really love the aireal view. Would like to see it in F1 officially
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Le Mans, to me, is Spa Francorchamps big brother.😊
Porsche hypercars>lemans cars
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Imagine the drs zone
Would love to hear a bunch of V10 F1’s screaming around there
V10 F1
Please, please, please move the French GP to le mans!
Would be like racing round old spa or something that was a bit longer. Proper circuit. If they could do the barriers and run off up to standard then why not?
No, Le Mans has made its history without F1 and doesn’t need it to exist. Even if F1 races in Le Mans back in time, Moto GP, truck races, endurance races (Bikes, cars etc) are races that today, are still making this amazing track shine. Plus, the circuit doesn’t have the security equipment to be a grade 1 FIA circuit able to host an F1 race.
Music fits this so well...
Love Fernando. He even pushes during demo runs. He’s such a beast.
Just use the same track layout as motogp uses, f1 at le man, sounds good
People need to realise that how crazy a sub 3 minute le mans laptime is when the record is 3:14.7 and by sub 3 min they might mean like a 2:54
F1 in Le Mans will probably give me an heart attack
What a legend
F1 Le Mans Spec should be the next Garage 56!
Oh for sure. Let's see an F1 car do a full 24 hours at competitive speeds. That would be fun.
A return of the french grand prix would be nice, a french grand prix at Le Mans would be awesome !
The helicopter view really showed the speed of the f1 this time. Even tho it wasn't full speed
Not full speed but he still locked up? 😂
I wonder if Monza or Spa spec for that lap would be best. There are really long straits, but time could be made up in the second half of the lap.
Even low downforce F1 has a lot of drag. They are designed to exit fast and get up to a certain speed fast. Then the drag from the corners pulls them back.
@Jaycee They would need to be set up like an Indy Car at Indianapolis. Basically just a tiny flat board on the front and back.
Would be awesome if they would drive the bugatti circuit however the full circuit would be sick as well