One thing I meant to put in the video, but forgot to include is how to lookup a laptop's TDP if you have the laptop in hand. The way I test this is I use MSI Afterburner/HWInfo64 (free downloads) and then stress test the laptop or play games. I monitor the CPU/GPU power usage in HWInfo and/or in the overlay of application. You can see me setup this whole process in my live benchmarking videos if you want to follow it step by step here (time stamped): th-cam.com/video/4Sai-reyzGU/w-d-xo.html To use the MUX switch on GS66, in the Dragon Center, you have a drop down to switch between Optimus (Hybrid Mode) and Discrete (Nvidia GPU only) modes. Requires restart of the laptop.
Hi GizmoSlipTech can you explain Asus' Zephyrus G15 having DCIP3 being 100% and how that translates to AdobeRGB and SRGB? Thanks I know it is about colour but what else more rich? Deeper?
@@YayaTia_II one thing that I know is DCIP3 calibrated is better than the SRGB calibrated so the display should be better. I've never seen the thing, but if what I know is correct, that display is gonna be more vivid and vibrant.
@@albertusapp me too only seen review videos really want the moonlight white 3080 version but if that isn't available might have to settle for moonlight white 3070 Max P which is $3099 aud atm a whole $800 cheaper than the 3080 but yeah ...
yeah, many hours--still a work in progress! I need to update the ratings as more benchmark data has come in now. I also need to do more investigation into what laptops have MUX. What TDPs they all have. It's a lot of research.
@@GizmoSlipTech hey gizmoslip could you please do a comparison of how much optimus affects a laptop? Like a comparison between the laptop panel and external monitor on the g17?
I just started looking at 30x0 laptops as it seems like the only way I will see a much needed upgrade this year, clicked on this video first on the list not expecting much (not my first time doing gaming laptops). Was really impressed by what you covered and that you had really done bang up reviews on many laptops already, I'll def be hitting up your other laptop videos. You did a pretty adequate job of describing optmius and max-q without getting long winded. I have also noticed the vast number of displays in this years laptops. At first I was pretty impressed by how affordable many 3060 and 3070 laptops were, then I saw they all had screens with %65 srgb. That is amazingly bad. And everyone was doing it, asus, msi, the number of SKUs are getting obscene.
Thanks Jeff! Yeah, few lower midrange budget laptops (under $1200) that have good displays are the Gigabyte G5, HP Omen 15z, and the Legion 5 from what I've seen since they have no ghosting, good response time, and decent color gamut.
I wanted to do a laptop upgrade this year, but I'm really afraid to do that and receive a product that is not what I expect, I'm super connected to channels like yours and Jarrod's Tech I'm looking forward to seeing what the new Legion 5 and 7 will bring to this.
Depends on what you currently have, but all RTX30 GPUs perform slightly better that the RTX20 equivalents on the same TDP. Just don't at all expect the 80%+ performace improvement the desktop versions had.
Thanks for the spreadsheet! You've really helped narrow down my choices! Speaking of which, it seems this laptop was built specifically for people like me. I only ever game with my laptop at home connected to a Display Port monitor and the times that I do take it out will mostly be for casual use (web browsing/documents/media consumption). So for me at least, it'll be the best of both worlds since I'll have full performance at home and great battery life when I'm outside!
Loved the spreadsheet but was hoping to have the option to filter the results by CPU maker, Mux, Max P or Q, 3060, 70 or 80 etc. So I took what you had and did some Excel magic and now have it. Let me know if you want a copy and thanks again for doing all the legwork and getting the data. :)
I wish i saw your channel before i made my purchase . But honestly i always bring my portable monitor with me when traveling for work. But thank you for making this list and continuing to update it . It is much appreciated by all of us. I referred all my friends and colleagues to this video before they make a laptop purchase, very informative .
Thanks so much for the spreadsheet. It is exactly what I'm looking for. I was gonna do a simpler version of that to help me decide which laptop to buy. Great job!
Just wow! I just discovered your channel and i loved your video. You explain so simple. Thank you and i look forward to watching your upcoming videos. ❤
Yoooo. This was def helpful. More than helpful. It really helped put things into perspective with what each of those specs would mean to me since I'm not a hardcore gamer, let alone an eSports player. I find myself within the realm of casual gamer who may have extra hours to spare here and there. But I also have a creative practice on top of that. Glad to know more doesn't always mean better depending on what kind of buyer/gamer you are 😎👍🏽 Also learned quite a bit as well. Many thanks 🙏🏽
Man I wish this TDP stuff wasn’t such a nightmare. It’s insane how differently they all perform and how secretive all of this information is, which IMO is misleading advertising… basically illegal. Very frustrating but grateful for your spreadsheet, you’re a real one!
Thank you very much! My only regret is I have but one like to give for this video. Your spreadsheet is amazing and as someone currently going crazy over what to buy (my current ASUS is rocking that NVIDIA GeForce GTX 980M so I've got my money out of it) this is an amazing asset. I'll be scouring your videos for more information. Thank you again!
Very, very and very informative video. Wanted to skip parts just to get the information, but ended up watching whole video and your lovely t-shirt. Well done mate. You have just earned a subscriber.
Thanks for the spreadsheet man! Saved me a lot of time. I subbed just because I usually never see that type of value from reviewers. It was a tough call with so many good gaming laptops now, but I need portability and a webcam, so I went with the Asus ROG 13X Flow. I could've gotten something a bit bigger and heavier, with a better GPU, but I'm going to be on the road and lugging this with me everywhere, so 13X Flow. The Razer 14 almost made it, but after seeing the reviews of the thermals and how you can cook an egg on it, LOL.
Sooo usefull thank you, only missed the g-sync/free sync on display lolz, so much info to process before buying, awsome vid, made things more clear for me for sur!
Great video! Subbed! Thanks so much for taking the time to create a spreadsheet for real this helps more than you know! Also great video again! Thanks again! Keep up the great work!!!
I know this might be a little late in the game, but just wanted to say Many Thanks to you Brandon for this helpful bit of content. Helps identify which "train" I'm on 👍🏻 Got the Scar 17, 5900HX, 3080 with QHD 165Hz (incoming), coz I find myself on the "casual gamer" camp, with a little bit of WFH scenario (or at least "trying" to WFH🤥🤫). And am super excited to get my hands on it. Thanks for sharing your hard work! 👍🏻🤟🏻🎉❤️
Outstanding explanation for the 0815 casual gamer like me. 10 out of 10 for this excellent content. Hope my budget will give me a 17" 1440p AMD laptop with a 3070 or ideally 3080.
First of all, thank you for all the benchmarks and for the list that helped me purchase my Scar Strix 15 G533QS. 1) Referring to MuX switch: I had used and still use my Legion Y740 (2070 MaxQ) who has a mux switch. Sincerely is a hassle and I hated it. It grounds your laptop to a desk. The battery life is horrible with dedicated gpu and you would not want to reboot every time to bios to switch the mux. I mainly game on the desk so I just leave it on dedicated gpu and used an other laptop for battery, just to not boot into bios. If you are grounded to a desk, then why not use an external display and go for optimus with bigger TDP? 2) Now referring to TDP, an 115W gpu with optimus will be better than 90W mux one. The performance penalty comes only on very high FPS (200+), and then still you have at least 25W to up to 40W of extra power. It does not matter, because on those FPS you won’t have any lag/latency. The difference in size/weight between my Legion MaxQ and Asus MaxP is the same. Nice MSI marketing efforts 🙂 I recommend you get a laptop with higher TDP, even tho I doesn’t have MUX. You will have a better experience overall and a good battery life.
It sounds like you aren't an gamer that plays CPU bound games at 1080P often--so yes, skipping the MUX isn't a big deal, especially if you buy QHD (like I mention in the video). I agree a MUX switch can be a hassle to restart and use, but the performance gains are undeniable in certain games. Regarding the GS66 vs Strix G17 difference, it makes a big impact, even in games that hit less than 200 FPS. Look at COD: Warzone in the video. The GS66 is still outperforming the G17 because of the MUX. It just varies a lot from game to game as I mention in the video. I am definitely not a MSI marketing shill. It sounds like you are really liking the Scar 15. It should be a great laptop!! I should have one coming in today. But just recognize that there are different strokes for different folks, and it's okay for a laptop to be better for one person vs another for different reasons, like what games they enjoy playing and how much they are willing to pay.
Not all laptops have mux switch that allow for that, in fact its pretty rare for laptops to have them, changing that setting on a laptop without mux will lead to a black screen.
Buying a laptop is the worst experience I've had so far in the gaming equipment market. Also regarding the display, you have not mentioned G-Sync/Freesync, are they not required on a high resolution laptop?
I'm travelling a lot because of work and I'm thinking of buying an Asus laptop with rtx 3070 or 3080 on it. I want to ask what is your experience if you own one (not necessarily an Asus) and what is it like playing on a 17,3" or 15" screen. I play a lot of casual games and few online competitive games like lol,wow,csgo,cod but not THAT serious about them. I'm more into story games like Assassin's Creed or Red Dead Redemption. Let me know if you have the time to comment if you're happy with these laptops or not
21st century and we facing problems from 80s 90s back era. LCD Active and Passive models. That's cruel cause many of the manufacturers says that their products are "gaming laptops" ... You buy one, then realize that despite of 144Hz RR You get ... 25-30ms responsive time of the panel B/W W/G which is ... dissapointing :/ It's not fair, ghosting is something that shouldn't appear anymore in 21st century ... Great video, You've earned a SUB! There's very less info on things You've just touched in gaming laptops matter.
I'd personally go QHD between those two. I believe the Scar 15 should have higher color gamut as well. But the Leopard has a MUX I believe, so depends on what games you play too. I've got a Scar 15 3080 with QHD display coming in tomorrow, so I'll be starting to review that asap once I get done with GS66 and Aorus 17G.
Question: how is QHD impacting battery on these ryzen laptops? Last year was the first year that we saw good gaming performance coupled with decent to good battery life. Has this changed? Great video. Subscribed.
Wow! Definitely buying my 1st gaming laptop so thank you for this video really helpful. So best to wait for AMD rdna2 laptop later this year for comparisons? What's your thoughts on new Alienware m17r4 3080? Disappointing not enough ryzen 5900hx options from.msi, razer, alienware
Hey Gizmo! I noticed a bit back you moved to my hometown of Portland! Just hope you're doing good during these power outages and pray you're staying safe!
Mux switches sometimes matter and sometimes it doesn't. I have seen huge claims when I get numbers that are exactly the same and have even got lower numbers with the mux switch.
Im in the Max Q department, I wanted the most power I could get in the most sleekest, unassuming, and lightest laptop I could find. Enter the GS66, it was a perfect find! I just ordered my GS66 (same specs as vid) on Friday and im beyond pumped to get it! I haven't upgraded since 2012 with my Lenovo G780 with intel Pentium! That im still currently using and typing out this comment on, Im going to go from a station wagon to a rocket ship in about a week!
Dude in the Rog strix series, is the 3070 that much better than the 3060? I can get a 3060 right now and asus says they might be able to get me a 3070 one in about 2-3 months, what do you recommend? Should I wait it out for the 3070 or go for the 3060,i just wanna enjoy games like horizon:zero dawn or cyberpunk at a decent high settings (preferably with medium ray tracing) but want atleast a solid 60fps, I don't really care much for the mux switch thing since I'll be more focused on graphic intense games.
That might be the reason why most gamer laptop even higher tier ones don't have Mux switch cause they are just not for laptops probably cause literally every competitive e sport player plays on PC
This is me. I've being running around the net, online stores recommendations fur a top of the range laptop but the options are so confusing. Putting aside all these technical confusing terms, as I'm not that tech savvy, but I want the most powerful, fastest gaming laptop, best 17 inch, non glare, high resolution display and best audio ever I can get, I 'm assuming that it might be a bit weighty, but which I can still drag around with me sometimes. I want a laptop that whatever you throw at it will be a breeze for the machine to handle, games, that can also double down maybe, for example, doing heavy duty crypto mining, etc. Money not an issue. What do you clever tech savvy laptop enthusiasts recommend as value for money regarding a high spec'd, top of the range blow away everything else laptop, a configuration that will stretch its lifespan as long as possible considering how technology is making everything obsolete every few months. Thanks. Anybody?
Don't e-sports games run better on intel chips? I wonder if the mux switch or the intel chip is playing the bigger role in giving the MSI laptop the performance edge over the G17 with e-sports titles?
I find your videos super helpful please keep the information coming 👍🏼 Question, I play war zone exclusively with a few single player games mixed in throughout the year, Price is not a concern I’m really just looking for the absolute best mobile gaming laptop as I’m always constantly traveling and can’t log around a desktop with me. Too soon to pre-order something?!?! Should I wait for more reviews?!?! Would love to get your opinion. Thanks 🙏🏼
Very useful and thorough review, thanks a lot! Really looking forward to understand if Asus Zephyrus DUO 15, Ryzen 9 5900HX (50-90W), RTX 3080 Max-P (115-130W), 32 GB Ram, 2 TB SSD, 4K 120hz has Optimus / MUX display. Considering the other units in the Asus lineup, I am prepared to see Duo has Optimus display as well, but - should it be the case - I want to further understand the impact in terms of performance loss, considering the price point. Cheers !
Just got my Asus Strix G17 yesterday with the 5900hx/3070 and I'm very satisfied with the performance. Overall Nvidia Optimus does not bother me as much as I game casually and more towards GPU bound games, though I do play some CSGO with 150-200fps which is more than enough for an extensively smooth casual experience. Definitely Team TDP > Team Mux (jk lol). Thanks to you and your videos for helping me decide to go with the Asus!
Hi, thanks for the spreadsheet and reviews! They've helped me a lot. I have a question regarding the Asus ROG Strix G15 screen options. Your sheet and the listings available online only mention the FHD 300Hz option, but the Asus site lists a QHD 165Hz variant also. Is that expected to arrive later? I don't play e-sports, so I would prefer to wait if it is gonna be available eventually.
I believe that will be available later on in the year. I think the number of QHD displays available made it so that they could only offer it on some models at launch.
hello i'm in vietnam your channel is very interesting Can you help me choose a better model? legion 5 ryzen 5 4600h gtx 1650ti 8gb ram rog g513 ryzen 7 4800h gtx 1650 8 gb ram My need is to study and play some games that are not too heavy (no camera is okay) I wonder if legion5's screen is better than g513 and g513 without mux switch, will it affect the experience much? I hope you can help me, thank you very much and wish the channel to grow more and more
Hi, does alienware m17 r3 or r4 comes with a mux switch? Also, in the excel sheet, you mentioned the 144hz panel is 100% sRGB but as per dell website, the non gsync 300hz panel only have the 100% sRGB which is free for R3 but costs around 165 dollar in Australia to customize. Will 100% sRGB display give better and more accurate color?
One thing I meant to put in the video, but forgot to include is how to lookup a laptop's TDP if you have the laptop in hand. The way I test this is I use MSI Afterburner/HWInfo64 (free downloads) and then stress test the laptop or play games. I monitor the CPU/GPU power usage in HWInfo and/or in the overlay of application. You can see me setup this whole process in my live benchmarking videos if you want to follow it step by step here (time stamped): th-cam.com/video/4Sai-reyzGU/w-d-xo.html
To use the MUX switch on GS66, in the Dragon Center, you have a drop down to switch between Optimus (Hybrid Mode) and Discrete (Nvidia GPU only) modes. Requires restart of the laptop.
MUX for Multiplexer ?
Hi GizmoSlipTech can you explain Asus' Zephyrus G15 having DCIP3 being 100% and how that translates to AdobeRGB and SRGB? Thanks I know it is about colour but what else more rich? Deeper?
@@fransiscusyogibramono296 Yes
@@YayaTia_II one thing that I know is DCIP3 calibrated is better than the SRGB calibrated so the display should be better. I've never seen the thing, but if what I know is correct, that display is gonna be more vivid and vibrant.
@@albertusapp me too only seen review videos really want the moonlight white 3080 version but if that isn't available might have to settle for moonlight white 3070 Max P which is $3099 aud atm a whole $800 cheaper than the 3080 but yeah ...
Pog to the spreadsheet, that must've took a long time
yeah, many hours--still a work in progress! I need to update the ratings as more benchmark data has come in now. I also need to do more investigation into what laptops have MUX. What TDPs they all have. It's a lot of research.
@@GizmoSlipTech hey gizmoslip could you please do a comparison of how much optimus affects a laptop? Like a comparison between the laptop panel and external monitor on the g17?
@@chendusingh He already did. Check his video.
@@Codyl744 okay thanks whoops
@@GizmoSlipTech Im planning to buy strix scar 17 G733Q. But there are so many rtx 30s laptop and i cant really decide.
I just started looking at 30x0 laptops as it seems like the only way I will see a much needed upgrade this year, clicked on this video first on the list not expecting much (not my first time doing gaming laptops). Was really impressed by what you covered and that you had really done bang up reviews on many laptops already, I'll def be hitting up your other laptop videos. You did a pretty adequate job of describing optmius and max-q without getting long winded.
I have also noticed the vast number of displays in this years laptops. At first I was pretty impressed by how affordable many 3060 and 3070 laptops were, then I saw they all had screens with %65 srgb. That is amazingly bad. And everyone was doing it, asus, msi, the number of SKUs are getting obscene.
Thanks Jeff! Yeah, few lower midrange budget laptops (under $1200) that have good displays are the Gigabyte G5, HP Omen 15z, and the Legion 5 from what I've seen since they have no ghosting, good response time, and decent color gamut.
Real g for the spreadsheet
@@laurabrown5445 stfy laura get your stup8d self promoting scams out of here
This is useful since I'm buying a laptop for 2021
Same here , but the release dates for the new laptops haven’t been revealed yet and that’s making me anxious hahahahahaha
@@_ianferns_5342 same
@@_ianferns_5342 Have the release date's been revealed yet
@@_ianferns_5342 bro fr i'm waiting for the amd advantage's
Just get something with the 2000 series card. This crap is just wack
I wanted to do a laptop upgrade this year, but I'm really afraid to do that and receive a product that is not what I expect, I'm super connected to channels like yours and Jarrod's Tech I'm looking forward to seeing what the new Legion 5 and 7 will bring to this.
It is a great time to buy, aside from the fact that everything that's awesome is very sold out
Depends on what you currently have, but all RTX30 GPUs perform slightly better that the RTX20 equivalents on the same TDP.
Just don't at all expect the 80%+ performace improvement the desktop versions had.
Thanks for the spreadsheet! You've really helped narrow down my choices! Speaking of which, it seems this laptop was built specifically for people like me. I only ever game with my laptop at home connected to a Display Port monitor and the times that I do take it out will mostly be for casual use (web browsing/documents/media consumption). So for me at least, it'll be the best of both worlds since I'll have full performance at home and great battery life when I'm outside!
Loved the spreadsheet but was hoping to have the option to filter the results by CPU maker, Mux, Max P or Q, 3060, 70 or 80 etc.
So I took what you had and did some Excel magic and now have it.
Let me know if you want a copy and thanks again for doing all the legwork and getting the data. :)
The most useful gaming laptop selection video I've ever seen
Thanks Vlad!
I wish i saw your channel before i made my purchase . But honestly i always bring my portable monitor with me when traveling for work. But thank you for making this list and continuing to update it . It is much appreciated by all of us. I referred all my friends and colleagues to this video before they make a laptop purchase, very informative .
This is what I've been waiting for.. Thanks a lot!
You got it Jonathan!
I really appreciate the spreadsheet, thank you sir
This guy deserves much more subs and views
That spreadsheet is just awesome...thank you so much.
Thanks so much for the spreadsheet. It is exactly what I'm looking for. I was gonna do a simpler version of that to help me decide which laptop to buy. Great job!
Thanks Alyssa! Hope it helps
Very Helpful ! Simple & clear ...
Hello from EU Lithuania. Thank you for the video.
Wow. Usually I don't get out of my dedicated channels, but this video was so informative. Liked and fav'd
Holy shit I need a new laptop and have been scouring the internet trying to get an overview of this tdp chaos. Your spreadsheet is a godsend
Lucky you. I found it 2 hours too late... :)
Thanks again Brandon your KILLING IT!! Group stream was great too.
Thanks Gary!
Just wow! I just discovered your channel and i loved your video. You explain so simple. Thank you and i look forward to watching your upcoming videos. ❤
Thanks Atakan
You earned a sub for that spreadsheet
MOST HELPFUL Gaming laptop guide for *anyone* and *everyone* I've seen in my life!!
THIS IS IT! Absolute must watch for 2022 laptop buyer
I like that you're spreading the word of the mux switch... people need to know about it
Yoooo. This was def helpful. More than helpful. It really helped put things into perspective with what each of those specs would mean to me since I'm not a hardcore gamer, let alone an eSports player. I find myself within the realm of casual gamer who may have extra hours to spare here and there. But I also have a creative practice on top of that. Glad to know more doesn't always mean better depending on what kind of buyer/gamer you are 😎👍🏽
Also learned quite a bit as well.
Many thanks 🙏🏽
Man I wish this TDP stuff wasn’t such a nightmare. It’s insane how differently they all perform and how secretive all of this information is, which IMO is misleading advertising… basically illegal. Very frustrating but grateful for your spreadsheet, you’re a real one!
This video is perfect for anyone who wants to buy a laptop this year. Well done
Thanks Andrew!
@@GizmoSlipTech loved the stream yesterday with you, Jarrod, bob, Ownordisown, and Elk. Keep it up!
Subscribed! This really helps me in choosing my very first gaming loptop in 2021 Q4
I love the spreadsheet you made, thank you 😍
Thank you very much! My only regret is I have but one like to give for this video. Your spreadsheet is amazing and as someone currently going crazy over what to buy (my current ASUS is rocking that NVIDIA GeForce GTX 980M so I've got my money out of it) this is an amazing asset. I'll be scouring your videos for more information. Thank you again!
Very, very and very informative video. Wanted to skip parts just to get the information, but ended up watching whole video and your lovely t-shirt. Well done mate. You have just earned a subscriber.
Thanks Lincoln! See you in the next video :)
@@GizmoSlipTech I am looking forward to it! :)
Great opinions and points to talk about! Nice work again, keep it up man!
Thanks Marc
300nits is not enough for me and a webcam would be nice
@@GizmoSlipTech oh shoot, I got a heart react from you, thanks man!
Wow, the information given is so useful for real buyer guide. Thankyou!
Bro, that spreadsheet is a lifesaver.
My man, delivering us Gold as usual 💪
Spreadsheet i saw , i click on subscribe instantly 😀 great video, cheers mate
I hope this video get more views it's a great buying guide for anyone thinking about buying a laptop in 2021
Thanks for the spreadsheet man! Saved me a lot of time. I subbed just because I usually never see that type of value from reviewers. It was a tough call with so many good gaming laptops now, but I need portability and a webcam, so I went with the Asus ROG 13X Flow. I could've gotten something a bit bigger and heavier, with a better GPU, but I'm going to be on the road and lugging this with me everywhere, so 13X Flow. The Razer 14 almost made it, but after seeing the reviews of the thermals and how you can cook an egg on it, LOL.
thank you for the spreadsheet. Thank you. Very detailed and helpful.
Thanks for the spreadsheet
Woah... Didnt know about all these mux and mumbojumbo.. Good info.. Really helped me! Thumbs up
Very well explained sir. And the spreadsheet is really helpful. This chanel is going to be big.
You have the best comparison videos. Thanks!
the type of content we really need !! thank u !
Wow.. fantastic video 😍😍 keep making videos like these. 👌💪
Very helpful, thanks B.
Sooo usefull thank you, only missed the g-sync/free sync on display lolz, so much info to process before buying, awsome vid, made things more clear for me for sur!
Your spreadsheet is AMAZING!!!!!!
Thanks Gustavo!
Very well explained. Great spreadsheet. Thx
Love the content Brandon!! I think you put out some of the best quality content on the tube...
Excellent video. Every day you learn something new. I have the g17 with a 2080 and I7, i want the ryzen one, looking forward to it.
Great video! Subbed! Thanks so much for taking the time to create a spreadsheet for real this helps more than you know! Also great video again! Thanks again! Keep up the great work!!!
Thanks for the spreadsheet, that got me to subscribe ! great content as well
I know this might be a little late in the game, but just wanted to say Many Thanks to you Brandon for this helpful bit of content. Helps identify which "train" I'm on 👍🏻
Got the Scar 17, 5900HX, 3080 with QHD 165Hz (incoming), coz I find myself on the "casual gamer" camp, with a little bit of WFH scenario (or at least "trying" to WFH🤥🤫). And am super excited to get my hands on it.
Thanks for sharing your hard work! 👍🏻🤟🏻🎉❤️
Very thorough and yet clear. Good job, Brandon! :)
Thanks Alex :)
Outstanding explanation for the 0815 casual gamer like me. 10 out of 10 for this excellent content. Hope my budget will give me a 17" 1440p AMD laptop with a 3070 or ideally 3080.
Thanks Matthias!
thanks for the spreadsheet
First of all, thank you for all the benchmarks and for the list that helped me purchase my Scar Strix 15 G533QS.
1) Referring to MuX switch: I had used and still use my Legion Y740 (2070 MaxQ) who has a mux switch. Sincerely is a hassle and I hated it. It grounds your laptop to a desk. The battery life is horrible with dedicated gpu and you would not want to reboot every time to bios to switch the mux. I mainly game on the desk so I just leave it on dedicated gpu and used an other laptop for battery, just to not boot into bios. If you are grounded to a desk, then why not use an external display and go for optimus with bigger TDP?
2) Now referring to TDP, an 115W gpu with optimus will be better than 90W mux one. The performance penalty comes only on very high FPS (200+), and then still you have at least 25W to up to 40W of extra power. It does not matter, because on those FPS you won’t have any lag/latency.
The difference in size/weight between my Legion MaxQ and Asus MaxP is the same.
Nice MSI marketing efforts 🙂
I recommend you get a laptop with higher TDP, even tho I doesn’t have MUX. You will have a better experience overall and a good battery life.
It sounds like you aren't an gamer that plays CPU bound games at 1080P often--so yes, skipping the MUX isn't a big deal, especially if you buy QHD (like I mention in the video). I agree a MUX switch can be a hassle to restart and use, but the performance gains are undeniable in certain games.
Regarding the GS66 vs Strix G17 difference, it makes a big impact, even in games that hit less than 200 FPS. Look at COD: Warzone in the video. The GS66 is still outperforming the G17 because of the MUX. It just varies a lot from game to game as I mention in the video.
I am definitely not a MSI marketing shill. It sounds like you are really liking the Scar 15. It should be a great laptop!! I should have one coming in today. But just recognize that there are different strokes for different folks, and it's okay for a laptop to be better for one person vs another for different reasons, like what games they enjoy playing and how much they are willing to pay.
@gizmo really appreciate informative videos with timestamps. vids like this are why I'm subbed and liking :)
Not all laptops have mux switch that allow for that, in fact its pretty rare for laptops to have them, changing that setting on a laptop without mux will lead to a black screen.
Or you can get a external monitor
Thank u for the effort put in...Cheers
Buying a laptop is the worst experience I've had so far in the gaming equipment market. Also regarding the display, you have not mentioned G-Sync/Freesync, are they not required on a high resolution laptop?
FR it’s so confusing and stressful, I’ve already returned one because it came with dead pixels...
I'm travelling a lot because of work and I'm thinking of buying an Asus laptop with rtx 3070 or 3080 on it. I want to ask what is your experience if you own one (not necessarily an Asus) and what is it like playing on a 17,3" or 15" screen. I play a lot of casual games and few online competitive games like lol,wow,csgo,cod but not THAT serious about them. I'm more into story games like Assassin's Creed or Red Dead Redemption. Let me know if you have the time to comment if you're happy with these laptops or not
21st century and we facing problems from 80s 90s back era. LCD Active and Passive models. That's cruel cause many of the manufacturers says that their products are "gaming laptops" ... You buy one, then realize that despite of 144Hz RR You get ... 25-30ms responsive time of the panel B/W W/G which is ... dissapointing :/ It's not fair, ghosting is something that shouldn't appear anymore in 21st century ... Great video, You've earned a SUB! There's very less info on things You've just touched in gaming laptops matter.
Gizmo with the banger 🔥, Which would you recommend, the Asus rog strix scar 15 rtx 3080 165qhd or the MSI gp66 leopard rtx 3080 240hz?
I'd personally go QHD between those two. I believe the Scar 15 should have higher color gamut as well. But the Leopard has a MUX I believe, so depends on what games you play too. I've got a Scar 15 3080 with QHD display coming in tomorrow, so I'll be starting to review that asap once I get done with GS66 and Aorus 17G.
@@GizmoSlipTech does lenovo legion 5 pro amd ryzen 7 rtx 3070 (g-sync) has mux switch??
Great help, kinda enlightened, wtg bro
Very informative, thanks!
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Great video man!
Question: how is QHD impacting battery on these ryzen laptops? Last year was the first year that we saw good gaming performance coupled with decent to good battery life. Has this changed? Great video. Subscribed.
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Thank you for the information bro 😊
Wow! Definitely buying my 1st gaming laptop so thank you for this video really helpful. So best to wait for AMD rdna2 laptop later this year for comparisons? What's your thoughts on new Alienware m17r4 3080? Disappointing not enough ryzen 5900hx options from.msi, razer, alienware
Hey Gizmo! I noticed a bit back you moved to my hometown of Portland! Just hope you're doing good during these power outages and pray you're staying safe!
Great information shared thank you.
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@@GizmoSlipTech no problem the content is super helpful as always and I am grateful for your hard work
This was actually an excellent video
I think G 17 is better overall from MSI.. what's your opinion?
What about getting a laptop with RTX 3080 instead of 3070? Is the performance difference going to be worth the extra spent money?
Good advice. I'm seeing a 12% difference from the mux switch at 4k. Higher at 1080p.
Mux switches sometimes matter and sometimes it doesn't. I have seen huge claims when I get numbers that are exactly the same and have even got lower numbers with the mux switch.
So for the g17 disable optimus by adding external monitor or there’s a way to to turn on/off optimus in this laptop
Actually i pre order it and missed this point i think I’m in Trouble😂
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U Cant turn off optimus without external monitor because it doesnt have a mux switch
Im in the Max Q department, I wanted the most power I could get in the most sleekest, unassuming, and lightest laptop I could find. Enter the GS66, it was a perfect find! I just ordered my GS66 (same specs as vid) on Friday and im beyond pumped to get it! I haven't upgraded since 2012 with my Lenovo G780 with intel Pentium! That im still currently using and typing out this comment on, Im going to go from a station wagon to a rocket ship in about a week!
Congrats! Hope you love it!
@@GizmoSlipTech thanks! Me too! 🙏🏼
Dude in the Rog strix series, is the 3070 that much better than the 3060? I can get a 3060 right now and asus says they might be able to get me a 3070 one in about 2-3 months, what do you recommend? Should I wait it out for the 3070 or go for the 3060,i just wanna enjoy games like horizon:zero dawn or cyberpunk at a decent high settings (preferably with medium ray tracing) but want atleast a solid 60fps, I don't really care much for the mux switch thing since I'll be more focused on graphic intense games.
Mux Switch is only really relevant for ultra high frames rates, thus competitive gaming in my opinion.
That might be the reason why most gamer laptop even higher tier ones don't have Mux switch cause they are just not for laptops probably cause literally every competitive e sport player plays on PC
This is me. I've being running around the net, online stores recommendations fur a top of the range laptop but the options are so confusing. Putting aside all these technical confusing terms, as I'm not that tech savvy, but I want the most powerful, fastest gaming laptop, best 17 inch, non glare, high resolution display and best audio ever I can get, I 'm assuming that it might be a bit weighty, but which I can still drag around with me sometimes. I want a laptop that whatever you throw at it will be a breeze for the machine to handle, games, that can also double down maybe, for example, doing heavy duty crypto mining, etc. Money not an issue. What do you clever tech savvy laptop enthusiasts recommend as value for money regarding a high spec'd, top of the range blow away everything else laptop, a configuration that will stretch its lifespan as long as possible considering how technology is making everything obsolete every few months. Thanks. Anybody?
Don't e-sports games run better on intel chips? I wonder if the mux switch or the intel chip is playing the bigger role in giving the MSI laptop the performance edge over the G17 with e-sports titles?
The Strix outperforms the GS66 when Optimus is bypassed, so no, the Ryzen chips are better when optimus isn’t slowing things down
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I find your videos super helpful please keep the information coming 👍🏼
Question, I play war zone exclusively with a few single player games mixed in throughout the year, Price is not a concern I’m really just looking for the absolute best mobile gaming laptop as I’m always constantly traveling and can’t log around a desktop with me. Too soon to pre-order something?!?! Should I wait for more reviews?!?! Would love to get your opinion. Thanks 🙏🏼
Very useful and thorough review, thanks a lot!
Really looking forward to understand if Asus Zephyrus DUO 15, Ryzen 9 5900HX (50-90W), RTX 3080 Max-P (115-130W), 32 GB Ram, 2 TB SSD, 4K 120hz has Optimus / MUX display.
Considering the other units in the Asus lineup, I am prepared to see Duo has Optimus display as well, but - should it be the case - I want to further understand the impact in terms of performance loss, considering the price point.
Cheers !
I have confirmed with Asus marketing people that the entire Asus lineup does not come with a MUX this year.
Dude thank you for the spread sheet! This is gonna be great when trying to pick a machine.
first thing that comes to my mind is: Thanks!
Very good and Very Helpful :) Regards from Warsaw ;)
Just got my Asus Strix G17 yesterday with the 5900hx/3070 and I'm very satisfied with the performance. Overall Nvidia Optimus does not bother me as much as I game casually and more towards GPU bound games, though I do play some CSGO with 150-200fps which is more than enough for an extensively smooth casual experience. Definitely Team TDP > Team Mux (jk lol). Thanks to you and your videos for helping me decide to go with the Asus!
Nice video btw, What laptop is best for Cod Warzone thanks in advance
Hi, thanks for the spreadsheet and reviews! They've helped me a lot. I have a question regarding the Asus ROG Strix G15 screen options. Your sheet and the listings available online only mention the FHD 300Hz option, but the Asus site lists a QHD 165Hz variant also. Is that expected to arrive later? I don't play e-sports, so I would prefer to wait if it is gonna be available eventually.
I believe that will be available later on in the year. I think the number of QHD displays available made it so that they could only offer it on some models at launch.
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Thank you for your amazing work
hello i'm in vietnam your channel is very interesting Can you help me choose a better model? legion 5 ryzen 5 4600h gtx 1650ti 8gb ram rog g513 ryzen 7 4800h gtx 1650 8 gb ram My need is to study and play some games that are not too heavy (no camera is okay) I wonder if legion5's screen is better than g513 and g513 without mux switch, will it affect the experience much? I hope you can help me, thank you very much and wish the channel to grow more and more
Do you recommend buying the rog strix g17? I'm actually planning to buy that. Thanks!
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Hi, I want to buy a Gaming Laptop with Replacement CPU / GPU.
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Thanks! Great content!
"Max-Q is not a scam" Exactly! It's about thin and light laptops vs chunky and noisy laptops. You are allowed to prefer either.
Yes, though Max-Q laptops can be just as noisy. :P All depends on the manufacturer's design.
Hi, does alienware m17 r3 or r4 comes with a mux switch? Also, in the excel sheet, you mentioned the 144hz panel is 100% sRGB but as per dell website, the non gsync 300hz panel only have the 100% sRGB which is free for R3 but costs around 165 dollar in Australia to customize. Will 100% sRGB display give better and more accurate color?