MOSS Pros: impressive, expressive and refreshing. Cons: expensive, limited polyphony, maybe discontinued. What I could recognize: 0:00 Moonlight Shadow 6:08 Wouldn’t it be good 10:55 Also sprach Zarathustra 12:10 Holding back the years 12:35 Money’s too tight 14:18 Careless whispers 15:05 The Riddle 19:59 The one and only 25:54 Don’t dream it’s over Good video, thanks
Yes! The MOSS board is the main reason why I’m keeping my Triton! You can get better sample based sounds as VST plugins, but the expressiveness of MOSS is unbeatable. You can get some pretty weird, haunting sounds when you use the brass or reed models to create physically impossible instruments with really long tubes.
I bought my Triton from new back in 1999 and had the MOSS board installed at the same time. Still going strong to this day. I love my Triton. Lovely demo Woody. Thank you.
I have a MOSS board in my Triton Extreme synth that I bought years ago. The sounds and playability are stellar. The Triton Extreme is still my main keyboard. Great demo Woody!
Hi. Another great video. Great-sounding system. I really miss my Triton. I never had the MOSS Board but the Triton is what inspired my loyalty to Korg.
Back in the day when the acoustic physically modelling side of MOSS, the Stanford Technology, showed up in Yamaha and Korg instruments, it was profoundly futuristic, the next step in synthesis. The VA in MOSS, and VA in general was also showing up in other keyboards from Roland and Yamaha, most of that VA tech was not derived from the Standford patents. However, VA didn't give us any further musical expressiveness than a real analog synth would. One exception here though would be the Yamaha AN tech was able to morph parameters between two scenes or sounds. VA did improve each year up to now as we expected it would. But after 25 years that Stanford technology responsible for the brass and wind, and even the plucked and strings sounds is still cutting edge in many ways. Turning back to these older instruments is the only way in many cases for most people to get these incredibly expressive physically modelled sounds. Back then when this was new I never thought that it would remain that way for this long. Like VA I thought by 2020 not only would it improve, but I speculated it would even be the predominant means of synthesizing acoustic instruments replacing sample based methods. It never happened. Essentially this state of the art technology back in 1995 remains at a standstill for mainstream instruments till this day. Not sure why, the Stanford technology was adopted by other systems, including sofware based, but Korg and Yamaha no longer incorporate the Stanford modelling as far as I know. Does anyone know more, I would like to learn whatever happened to it.
If you take something like the Roland RD-2000, it has a piano modelling engine. And if you look at the vst instruments made by "samplemodeling" they also do a lot of physical modelling. And there is more out there, but yer it never really caught on as much as everyone expected.
I concur wholeheartedly. When I got MOSS around ‘03, I was blown away by all the insane DSP algorithms included. I’d never heard anything like it in music at the time. I like you, figured this tech would have been expanded by now (in 2020), but alas it wasn’t as far as I know. The first time I played the woodwind patches I could not believe my ears, especially how expressive the modulation was for it.
@@djmouglie Seems like it's a tough racket to be in music software.. at least the keyboard and instrument manufacturers can sell physical items.. otherwise you're dealing with piracy and a buyer-base that's poor or minutely specialized
@@Synthshop it's so much cooler because of the academic connotations due the technically advanced methods and this thick juicy powerful and soft MOSS. IT is still a very strong instrument to this day even against say My Quantum the ultimate synth ever I swear.
One day soon the reality will dawn on the many of just how good the Triton is. It is often dismissed as a fancy rompler with quality effects built in. Even without the MOSS board, the Triton is legion in what it can do and the sound exquisite. From the build quality (my 21 year old Studio version looks and sounds like I bought it 12 months ago) to its many facets, it puts most contemporary kit to shame. To coin an unfortunate phrase "they'll have to prise it from my cold dead hands" before I ever let the Triton go. Great vid btw Woody - thanks.
It was the sound of radio for about a decade. So many straight presets on hits across the spectrum. And you have to realize it's a Flagship Keyboard. Most consumer are getting midrange where there is a difference. Someone compared it to a new midrange keyboard and the Triton smashed it.
I had both a fully expended Triton Classic and Z1EX with the 18 note polyphonic expansion. The variety of sounds that they produced was outstanding but they were very complicated to program. The Z1, whilst itself a beautiful keyboard with outstanding real-time control and a wonderful keyboard action, was itself very sluggish to operate. It was like the CPU was struggling, even when simply selecting different sounds. It's fx architecture was also very limiting. However it could produce an amazing amount of different sounds from phenomenal VA emulations to acoustic instruments. I did fool a few people at a gig who thought that there was an actual trumpet player on the stage! The X/Y touch pad was awesome and I set it up to control the vector joystick on my Wavestation AD and Wavestation SR. It was the precursor to Korg's Kaossilator series without all their coloured lights! The MOSS board in my Triton affectively gave me another 6 voice synthesiser monster in that already powerful workstation. It's very sad that MOSS wasn't developed further but I heard that it's inventor sadly passed away, taking MOSS to the grave with him.
Brilliant, I just barked up my TEX and played along. Not all your patches equate to my MOSS patches but was fun. The best way to spend time without having to think is just turn on the power button and instant songs!
I only recently learned the Z1 existed and the Trinity had the MOSS, too. This sounds really great. Like with Yamaha's VL tech, I'm disappointed they kind discontinued this.
Did you know that the person responsible for yamaha VL and VP also responsible for creating a keyboard that recently has VCM I don't know if some of the VP and VL is inside of that board VCM or if VCM is based on parts of VP and VL, Yamaha tends to be tight-lipped about those things?. (saw some of this info on Sonic state btw)
Korg and Yamaha were part of the same company for a while. Hence why Dave Smith started at Yamaha when Sequential went under, did the Yamaha vector synths SY22, SY35 and then went to Korg and did the Wavestation.
The MOSS VPM/EP/Tonewheel models were not really up to par, and the EX5 does great for everything else, albeit monophonically. A PLG-150 loaded Motif ES would be ideal, or a Kronos.
Glad i was young and smart enough to buy the MOSS card when it released. I could nt afford a z1 back in 2001 so i bought the moss card. Its not complicated if you know how it all works and its best to experiment with settings. Best advice all and any moss patches work so i downloaded all the patches from all models that used the moss engine like the z1 & the trinity + 700 user created patches
That's awesomeness I'd love to get a bulk amount of patched, just got my moss board and its beautiful, but im.getting bored with the patches. My email is augierockstar@gmail.com if you or anyone reading this would be kind enough to share some moss board compatible patches, thanks in advance
MOSS come from Z1... The fact is, the core of Z1 is the TMS57070 DSP chip customized by TI (Japan), each chip provides 2 voices (Z1=12voices by 6 DSP chips; Z1-EX=18 voices by 9 chips, very expensive). This DSP chip only licensed and made by TI Japan corp and stopped production in 2000, never ship to other countries. That's why only few Z1 were produced and no longer seen after 2000 (Actual production time-slot only less than 3 years), the only rest parts have possibly been built as MOSS-board for Trition Expansion but not a lot. Z1/MOSS sounds are unique due to hardware's difference comparing to later Korg gear and competitors. It's truely a lost tribe never seen any more. Rest in peace !!! MOSS is 6 voices...
Don't forget that an earlier version of the MOSS expansion board was also made for Trinity before the Triton (and included as standard in Trinity V3). However, the Trinity MOSS was NOT multitimbral as in the Triton (and the original Z1).
@@hsn10 Trinity V3 includes 6-voice mono-timbral MOSS (Z1) board, Trinity Plus includes monophonic (1-voice) SOLO-TRI (Prophecy) board. I believe that both boards for the Trinity were also sold separately so you could upgrade your Trinity. Aside from being polyphonic, the MOSS/Z1 was more sophisticated, with additional synthesis models. The term "MOSS" "Multiple Oscillator Synthesis System" is Korg's actualization of Sondius-XG physical modeling technology licensed from Stanford University, and applies to all of the Prophecy, Trinity SOLO-TRI (Prophecy) expansion board, later expanded modeling polyphonic & multitimbral Z1 synth, Trinity MOSS-TRI expansion board (monotimbral 6-voice Z1), and finally Triton EXB-MOSS expansion board (multitimbral 6-voice Z1).
Thank you for playing Moss demo. I have a question. How do you do a screen capture of the Triton?
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These sounds from 1995 are simply a testament to the prowess of Korgs' engineers (and sound designers) of the day. They were grandfathered to the OASYS and finally they dropped the Kronos bombshell. What a technology feat in terms of R&D investment! It's also interesting to note that although a lot of these synth engines went to the Kronos, some of then are missing (for example the brass modelling). Maybe Korg decided that some of these sounds were best achieved with massive sample libraries and didn't port them to the x86 Kronos operating system, or were they too CPU heavy?
Very rich beautiful sounds with neuances, I guess worthy keeping the card and an accompaning synth to leanr the card's potential to squeeze out even more...
Appreciate the video! I have a Korg Karma and bought a MOSS board for it many years ago because of all the cool sounds it could make. Just listening to you as you went through this replay brought back a huge amount of memories. I forgot how good MOSS is compared to everything and WAY ahead of its time. I guess I'll have to break it back out and get the latest updates for it to push over midi to my Karma workstation. Thanks for the sonic inspiration!
Hold onto your MOSS - XB boards!... I have a Triton Extreme 88 plus MOSS-XB board fitted, still love it, it is a mine feild of unique sounds combined, oooohhhh..... nothing like it!
I appreciate you making this video. I always wanted a Korg "Z1" or even the "prophecy". I was always fascinated by physical modeling things like the "VL-1" from Yamaha.
This could be heaven... I just discovered not one but 2 MOSS boards for sale as well as a 61-key Triton and a 88-weighted-keys Triton LE. Now wondering if the latter will accept a MOSS board too. Thank you so much Woody for showing off the sounds and possibilities of this expansion. Ofcourse this video is still too short, but hey, maybe you'll find yourself revisiting them in a synthjam of some sort. Have a great week Woody! Cheers!
sounds like a mandatory pickup you have found there, congrats. don't know if the card will work in LE, prob not, but I'm sure you can find the specs. have fun!
The Triton "Le" series (and later similar TR 61/76/88 keyboards) will NOT accept an EXB-MOSS board. (However, the Karma and Triton-Rack will accept the MOSS board).
Picked up an 88 variant of the Triton Extreme from eBay very recently, it came with a MOSS board - I was massively overjoyed as I've been after a MOSS for some time. For aging tech, this really is a powerful addition to your machine and stands up today. I've said it before, whilst analog synths are great fun and powerful in the studio, there is no substitute for a synth like the Triton/Extreme when it comes to live stage performance (the rich dynamics throughout many of the programs/patches are solid). Triton for life :)
Funnily enough I just recently dusted off my Karma with MOSS and Prophecy which have been in the loft for the past two decades during lockdown. Its easy to forget just how impressive they were back then when the regular old analog synths sounded tired old and as dull as dishwater. You can also download the Z1 patches (From the Korg website) to the MOSS board so you get two synths for the price of one. Great video.
@@dyjomat you can sys ex them over using a MIDI sys ex tool best I remember, though I also replaced the floppy drive on the Karma with a chaep ebay SDCARD floppy emulator which makes the bank transfers even easier.
Nice playing Woody, not bad for a 20 year old workstation, Korg were ahead of their time. That Wurli sound is incredible. I still have my Korg Z1, there are still a few things it can do that I don't believe can be done even with the latest VSTs. Example: Yes, you can get great physically modelled VSTs such as the SWAM stringed and wind instruments. But, even though they are easier to use and mor realistic than say, the MOSS bowed instrument model, you can get access to the synth parameters and change aspects of the model. This is great if you're into sound design, as you can get great ambient (and weird!) sounds out of it!
i didn't enjoy editing using the touch screen, but I'm sure it would have been awesome using a PC editor, I'm guessing some were available at the time.
@@WoodyPianoShack Yes, unfortunately the Korg Z1 2004 editor is no longer available. It only ran on Windows XP. I believe the contemporary Midiquest works, but is very expensive! There was an official Mac editor, still avaiable at the Korg website, but runs on PowerPC (!) era Macs.
Nice job with the demo. Enjoyed hearing wide variety of sounds of the MOSS board. Wish I had a Triton keyboard rather than the TRack to get the after-touch and joystick effects. Korg made some really ground breaking instruments back in the day.
The pluck model sounds like if Roland had included a guitar patch on the RD-1000/MK-S20. The brass & bowed models, while still sounding synthetic, have nice acoustic-esque artifacts, which makes them really deep & useable. That VPM! 😍 & I've never met a synth pad I didn't like & these are so very lush.
There's a little typo in your description with the spelling of "OASIS" which should be spelled with a Y instead of an I. Looks like this uses a similar type of Karplus-Strong algorithm as found in STR-1. And VPM as found in MOD-7. Ring, Sync and Cross can all be found in AL-1. Analog sounds are of course taken care of by the EX synths in the Kronos. The Wurly and Organ are also in the Kronos. Most of those Kronos engines might be using algorithms inspired from the MOSS but are more than likely rebuilt from the ground up. If you would like help with learning any of those programs feel free to reach out to me.
Woody, for some unknown reason I have difficulty accessing the moss Combi sounds. Programms play just fine in the F bank (its lit up) where should I enter them? In the manual its marked as B000 for Piano Forest Keyboard but obviously in bank B you normally have its own native sounds when I press the B button. Enlighten me please if you are in the know.
I heard the "M1 Lore" sample behind the opening piano (background pad). Very cool. Korg ported that sample over to the wavestate as well. I use it a lot :) This video also made me realize that the Korg Triton software version does not have the MOSS architecture in it. Very disappointing. Correct me if I'm wrong. No "bank F" in the software either :( Great video Thank you Woody.
My grand mistake and apologies, it is the M-3 not the JD-990 that has one of the greatest realistic sax. However the JD-990 is a tremendous instrument.
Great vid, thanks. I have a Triton Extreme 61 and really like the organ sound there on the MOSS board. Better than the stock ones. I gig with the Extreme as a top board and was thinking of possibly swapping it for one of the new cut down workstations. Mainly for reduced weight and more up to date sounds. Might consider instead installing the MOSS upgrade if I can find one at a good price.
PLEASE QUESTION: ¿Is the EXB-MOSS CARD the same for the Triton, Triton Pro, Extreme and Karma? Coz, I have gotten the opp.of purchasing a 2cnd hand MOSS but it is going to be tasted inside a Triton Pro.. I guess.. Txs in advance. Cheers!
@@WoodyPianoShackyes they are the same MOSS board except for the Trinity V3 that uses a different MOSS board that can't be easily removed from the instrument unlike the other board for Triton and Karma.
I traded one of my tritons years ago and forgot 2 take out my Moss board, :(. I purchased a Korg OASYS PCI board and never used it. It's sitting on a shelf in my garage inside a Mac that I never used. I think that board was similar 2 the Moss board.
The MOSS board sounds great and it's a big upgrade for the Triton. But it was expensive and sold in small numbers. So they're very rare and pricey today. You can pick up a Triton Rack for as little as $250, but MOSS boards-if you can find one-are typically $1000 or more. As good as it sounds, that's hard to justify with so many good modern synths in that price range. If you do get one, make sure that your floppy disk works, as you'll need it to load the sound set. It would have been great if the new Triton VST emulated the MOSS board. But, unfortunately, it doesn't, so original hardware is the only option.
Ah, looked it up, the Nord Lead (1995) first synth to use the term Virtual Analog. But there def were synths with Digital wave forms prior... D50, M1, JD-800 all come to mind..but none were called Virtual Analog.
Thank you for an review. Pretty structured sound. I've just picked up Triton Classic for a price of an apple earbuds and found out that MOSS boards are way more expensive. But even standalone this synth has a nice soundbanks)
I gotten Karma instead.. mostly appealed for its unique function found later on m3 and Kronos as Karma2. Still got to get the MOSS. I DO NOT KNOW if is the same MOSS for the Classic, Extreme and Pro..
@@ghfjfghjasdfasdf There was the monophonic SOLO-TRI expansion for the Trinity, which was soon followed by the polyphonic but still mono-timbral MOSS-TRI. The Triton EXB-MOSS featured in this video is both polyphonic and multi-timbral.
@@ghfjfghjasdfasdf I was just pointing out that there was also such a thing as a monophonic "Moss board", though only for the Trinity. It also felt appropriate to list all the boards, since OP seems to not be aware of the difference.
Copy that.... I think I’d read a comment or two about the Trinity having something MOSS related, on a Gearslutz post here and there, so your comment was cool to see.
When I got my Triton Extreme, it surprisingly came with the MOSS board, but it didn't really seem like anything I don't already have better alternatives for in my arsenal. I would sell it if I wasn't already retired.
Awesome demo. Just love the sounds of the Moss board. Did I hear "local hero theme" by Mark Knopfler/Dire Straits with the guitar modeling OSC's? Cheers Daniel of Eat and Listen channel Daniel of D.S. (Swedish synthrock / electro-industrial project)
I really enjoyed using the Triton's sequencer with its great cuelist feature for C Lab Notator SL type song structures. I created entire songs using just the Triton and MOSS board and a Roland XV3080 module.
I have a Z1, one if my favorites but a shame that it doesn't have the large screen of the Triton to help with editing, all of the PC editors are really unhelpful, I find, too.
Also, the Z1 has far less effects capability than either MOSS-equipped Trinity or especially Triton (more processing "blocks", full MFX x2, full routing, compared to Trinity).
@@6581punkI got so frustrated with my Z1EX due to its sluggish response time changing patches and it would also randomly change parameters thanks to some strange bugs in Logic at the time.
Still got my Z1 as my master keyboard.. but when it was released, when i bought it.. what awful factory presets !!! Still in need for a Z1 VST... I don't understand what Korg was thinking about with those factory presets, not revealing the full power of the beast.
I’ve spent thousands on Kong. First the Kong M1 then the Kong trinity then the Trinity v3 hdr then the 88 key korg triton v3. Trying to integrate them into my I-ad pro studio. 🙏🏿🙏🏿🙏🏿
I like racks because they take less space. However, a Triton Rack with the EXB-MOSS board will easily go north of €/$/£1000, which is considerably more than a Z1. Of course, you get the Triton thrown in as a bonus, but I might not necessarily need one.
I agree perhaps it’s all in how they approach and use the sounds in the composition ex.. the emu sp1200 12 bit and alive and kicking and demanding today. I’m taking the dive and try to hunt down a moss board for my Tri/extreme I’d love to make some combos w/ that Now we’re talking. David J. From Los angeles
It is pretty amazing that Korg is the only brand that put the headphone jack on the front. A small thing, but why should we have to fumble around of the back to insert the headphone on other brands?
yeah and it reduces the length of the available cord on when plugging on back, but i observe also that headphones on front more likely to be damaged, by walking into, knocking etc... pros and cons
@@WoodyPianoShack I rarely walk around with headphones so that would be a minor issue for me, another option would be to put the jack on top on the casing. On the back is the worst option especially on synths that also have the text on the backside.
Still haven’t found a board at a decent price here :( The VPM sounds like FM because it is FM, to be precise it is Phase Modulation, what all FM synth (including Yamaha) are. The bowed string model sounds realistic to my ears, but the problem is probably more that a keyboard is not the best medium to play like a violin. Your example of the brass model show exactly what sample base modelling can’t do
I know very little about all the extras you can add to this keyboard, but it is enough to me just being able to enjoy having one of this keyboards. Y enjoy everything about them
MOSS Pros: impressive, expressive and refreshing. Cons: expensive, limited polyphony, maybe discontinued.
What I could recognize:
0:00 Moonlight Shadow
6:08 Wouldn’t it be good
10:55 Also sprach Zarathustra
12:10 Holding back the years
12:35 Money’s too tight
14:18 Careless whispers
15:05 The Riddle
19:59 The one and only
25:54 Don’t dream it’s over
Good video, thanks
Hide and Seek by Howard Jones while demoing the flute patch
well done Sergio and thanks for the timestamps, pinned!
Solution : Korg Z1 ! 👍
also 9:50 Going Home (theme from the movie "Local Hero") by Mark Knopfler. Nice choice to demonstrate the Blue Guitar preset!
8:27 Flash Light (bass line) by Parliament.
Yes! The MOSS board is the main reason why I’m keeping my Triton! You can get better sample based sounds as VST plugins, but the expressiveness of MOSS is unbeatable.
You can get some pretty weird, haunting sounds when you use the brass or reed models to create physically impossible instruments with really long tubes.
Yes indeedy!
I bought my Triton from new back in 1999 and had the MOSS board installed at the same time. Still going strong to this day. I love my Triton. Lovely demo Woody. Thank you.
I have a MOSS board in my Triton Extreme synth that I bought years ago. The sounds and playability are stellar. The Triton Extreme is still my main keyboard. Great demo Woody!
Hi. Another great video. Great-sounding system. I really miss my Triton. I never had the MOSS Board but the Triton is what inspired my loyalty to Korg.
Back in the day when the acoustic physically modelling side of MOSS, the Stanford Technology, showed up in Yamaha and Korg instruments, it was profoundly futuristic, the next step in synthesis. The VA in MOSS, and VA in general was also showing up in other keyboards from Roland and Yamaha, most of that VA tech was not derived from the Standford patents. However, VA didn't give us any further musical expressiveness than a real analog synth would. One exception here though would be the Yamaha AN tech was able to morph parameters between two scenes or sounds. VA did improve each year up to now as we expected it would. But after 25 years that Stanford technology responsible for the brass and wind, and even the plucked and strings sounds is still cutting edge in many ways. Turning back to these older instruments is the only way in many cases for most people to get these incredibly expressive physically modelled sounds. Back then when this was new I never thought that it would remain that way for this long. Like VA I thought by 2020 not only would it improve, but I speculated it would even be the predominant means of synthesizing acoustic instruments replacing sample based methods. It never happened. Essentially this state of the art technology back in 1995 remains at a standstill for mainstream instruments till this day. Not sure why, the Stanford technology was adopted by other systems, including sofware based, but Korg and Yamaha no longer incorporate the Stanford modelling as far as I know. Does anyone know more, I would like to learn whatever happened to it.
If you take something like the Roland RD-2000, it has a piano modelling engine. And if you look at the vst instruments made by "samplemodeling" they also do a lot of physical modelling. And there is more out there, but yer it never really caught on as much as everyone expected.
I concur wholeheartedly. When I got MOSS around ‘03, I was blown away by all the insane DSP algorithms included. I’d never heard anything like it in music at the time.
I like you, figured this tech would have been expanded by now (in 2020), but alas it wasn’t as far as I know.
The first time I played the woodwind patches I could not believe my ears, especially how expressive the modulation was for it.
@@djmouglie Seems like it's a tough racket to be in music software.. at least the keyboard and instrument manufacturers can sell physical items.. otherwise you're dealing with piracy and a buyer-base that's poor or minutely specialized
Check out AAS' VST. They have some really cool modelling plugins
@@Synthshop it's so much cooler because of the academic connotations due the technically advanced methods and this thick juicy powerful and soft MOSS. IT is still a very strong instrument to this day even against say My Quantum the ultimate synth ever I swear.
This thing sounds leaps and bounds better than my Acces Virus KC!
22:00. Man, I can feel that thing vibrating in my chest. ... and I’m wearing headphones!
12:10 holding back the years " sounds so sweet
I had the moss in my Trinity Pro X V3. What a beast, wish I had never sold that keyboard, I reckon it would be very usable even today.
really impressive sounds from this board, I need it, i have the korg triton rack, with studio expansion inside, thanks mr Woody
I'm happy to see that Woody is back on vintage stuff
Hey Woody. I'm always happy with a new episode of you. Thx u verry much 👍👍👍🎹
glad to hear that richi!
Thanks for demoing the MOSS board! The first song is really relaxing :)
One day soon the reality will dawn on the many of just how good the Triton is. It is often dismissed as a fancy rompler with quality effects built in. Even without the MOSS board, the Triton is legion in what it can do and the sound exquisite. From the build quality (my 21 year old Studio version looks and sounds like I bought it 12 months ago) to its many facets, it puts most contemporary kit to shame.
To coin an unfortunate phrase "they'll have to prise it from my cold dead hands" before I ever let the Triton go.
Great vid btw Woody - thanks.
Great video Woody, that opening arrangement of Moonlight Shadow sounds so good (have replayed it numerous times!).
For some reason I've never been a huge Korg fan, but this sounds way better than I realized.
It was the sound of radio for about a decade. So many straight presets on hits across the spectrum. And you have to realize it's a Flagship Keyboard. Most consumer are getting midrange where there is a difference. Someone compared it to a new midrange keyboard and the Triton smashed it.
I had the MOSS board in my Korg Tritons. I miss those sounds, I wish I still had them.
I had both a fully expended Triton Classic and Z1EX with the 18 note polyphonic expansion. The variety of sounds that they produced was outstanding but they were very complicated to program. The Z1, whilst itself a beautiful keyboard with outstanding real-time control and a wonderful keyboard action, was itself very sluggish to operate. It was like the CPU was struggling, even when simply selecting different sounds. It's fx architecture was also very limiting. However it could produce an amazing amount of different sounds from phenomenal VA emulations to acoustic instruments. I did fool a few people at a gig who thought that there was an actual trumpet player on the stage! The X/Y touch pad was awesome and I set it up to control the vector joystick on my Wavestation AD and Wavestation SR. It was the precursor to Korg's Kaossilator series without all their coloured lights! The MOSS board in my Triton affectively gave me another 6 voice synthesiser monster in that already powerful workstation. It's very sad that MOSS wasn't developed further but I heard that it's inventor sadly passed away, taking MOSS to the grave with him.
Brilliant, I just barked up my TEX and played along. Not all your patches equate to my MOSS patches but was fun. The best way to spend time without having to think is just turn on the power button and instant songs!
I only recently learned the Z1 existed and the Trinity had the MOSS, too. This sounds really great. Like with Yamaha's VL tech, I'm disappointed they kind discontinued this.
Did you know that the person responsible for yamaha VL and VP also responsible for creating a keyboard that recently has VCM I don't know if some of the VP and VL is inside of that board VCM or if VCM is based on parts of VP and VL, Yamaha tends to be tight-lipped about those things?. (saw some of this info on Sonic state btw)
@@Wulfcry That's really interesting, can you please share a link? (I'll google it right now! ;-) ) Thank you for sharing.
Korg and Yamaha were part of the same company for a while. Hence why Dave Smith started at Yamaha when Sequential went under, did the Yamaha vector synths SY22, SY35 and then went to Korg and did the Wavestation.
Korg used the moss tech in microkorg & ms2000 etc
The MOSS VPM/EP/Tonewheel models were not really up to par, and the EX5 does great for everything else, albeit monophonically. A PLG-150 loaded Motif ES would be ideal, or a Kronos.
I think what keeps the moss board back is the polyphony, but this was a limitation of thevtime. Korg kronos brings all of this to the next level.
Glad i was young and smart enough to buy the MOSS card when it released. I could nt afford a z1 back in 2001 so i bought the moss card. Its not complicated if you know how it all works and its best to experiment with settings. Best advice all and any moss patches work so i downloaded all the patches from all models that used the moss engine like the z1 & the trinity + 700 user created patches
Get the Z1! It’s 18 voices with the expansion.
That's awesomeness I'd love to get a bulk amount of patched, just got my moss board and its beautiful, but im.getting bored with the patches. My email is augierockstar@gmail.com if you or anyone reading this would be kind enough to share some moss board compatible patches, thanks in advance
That Wurly didn't sound bad by any means! I was digging it!
MOSS come from Z1... The fact is, the core of Z1 is the TMS57070 DSP chip customized by TI (Japan), each chip provides 2 voices (Z1=12voices by 6 DSP chips; Z1-EX=18 voices by 9 chips, very expensive). This DSP chip only licensed and made by TI Japan corp and stopped production in 2000, never ship to other countries. That's why only few Z1 were produced and no longer seen after 2000 (Actual production time-slot only less than 3 years), the only rest parts have possibly been built as MOSS-board for Trition Expansion but not a lot. Z1/MOSS sounds are unique due to hardware's difference comparing to later Korg gear and competitors. It's truely a lost tribe never seen any more. Rest in peace !!! MOSS is 6 voices...
Don't forget that an earlier version of the MOSS expansion board was also made for Trinity before the Triton (and included as standard in Trinity V3). However, the Trinity MOSS was NOT multitimbral as in the Triton (and the original Z1).
@@ShallRemainUnknown Trinity MOSS is prophecy? Prophecy has less oscillator types then MOSS board.
@@hsn10 Trinity V3 includes 6-voice mono-timbral MOSS (Z1) board, Trinity Plus includes monophonic (1-voice) SOLO-TRI (Prophecy) board. I believe that both boards for the Trinity were also sold separately so you could upgrade your Trinity. Aside from being polyphonic, the MOSS/Z1 was more sophisticated, with additional synthesis models. The term "MOSS" "Multiple Oscillator Synthesis System" is Korg's actualization of Sondius-XG physical modeling technology licensed from Stanford University, and applies to all of the Prophecy, Trinity SOLO-TRI (Prophecy) expansion board, later expanded modeling polyphonic & multitimbral Z1 synth, Trinity MOSS-TRI expansion board (monotimbral 6-voice Z1), and finally Triton EXB-MOSS expansion board (multitimbral 6-voice Z1).
@@ShallRemainUnknown you're spot on. However Trinity V3 couldn't use the Prophecy Tri board and Trinity V2 couldn't use the MOSS board.
Thank you for playing Moss demo. I have a question. How do you do a screen capture of the Triton?
These sounds from 1995 are simply a testament to the prowess of Korgs' engineers (and sound designers) of the day. They were grandfathered to the OASYS and finally they dropped the Kronos bombshell. What a technology feat in terms of R&D investment!
It's also interesting to note that although a lot of these synth engines went to the Kronos, some of then are missing (for example the brass modelling). Maybe Korg decided that some of these sounds were best achieved with massive sample libraries and didn't port them to the x86 Kronos operating system, or were they too CPU heavy?
someone said in the comments that nobody was able to understand the code
Woody Piano Shack well if that was C code I can totally relate to it!
Very rich beautiful sounds with neuances, I guess worthy keeping the card and an accompaning synth to leanr the card's potential to squeeze out even more...
Appreciate the video! I have a Korg Karma and bought a MOSS board for it many years ago because of all the cool sounds it could make. Just listening to you as you went through this replay brought back a huge amount of memories. I forgot how good MOSS is compared to everything and WAY ahead of its time. I guess I'll have to break it back out and get the latest updates for it to push over midi to my Karma workstation. Thanks for the sonic inspiration!
you should, glad to inspire!
I’ve got the korg z1 that uses the moss engine it’s a synth that’s rarely mentioned but in some ways ahead of its time
Hold onto your MOSS - XB boards!... I have a Triton Extreme 88 plus MOSS-XB board fitted, still love it, it is a mine feild of unique sounds combined, oooohhhh..... nothing like it!
I appreciate you making this video. I always wanted a Korg "Z1" or even the "prophecy". I was always fascinated by physical modeling things like the "VL-1" from Yamaha.
This could be heaven... I just discovered not one but 2 MOSS boards for sale as well as a 61-key Triton and a 88-weighted-keys Triton LE. Now wondering if the latter will accept a MOSS board too.
Thank you so much Woody for showing off the sounds and possibilities of this expansion.
Ofcourse this video is still too short, but hey, maybe you'll find yourself revisiting them in a synthjam of some sort.
Have a great week Woody! Cheers!
sounds like a mandatory pickup you have found there, congrats. don't know if the card will work in LE, prob not, but I'm sure you can find the specs. have fun!
The Triton "Le" series (and later similar TR 61/76/88 keyboards) will NOT accept an EXB-MOSS board. (However, the Karma and Triton-Rack will accept the MOSS board).
Try using the joystick down on the plucked string models to transition in and out of muted sounds. Very expressive and fun to play.
Picked up an 88 variant of the Triton Extreme from eBay very recently, it came with a MOSS board - I was massively overjoyed as I've been after a MOSS for some time. For aging tech, this really is a powerful addition to your machine and stands up today. I've said it before, whilst analog synths are great fun and powerful in the studio, there is no substitute for a synth like the Triton/Extreme when it comes to live stage performance (the rich dynamics throughout many of the programs/patches are solid). Triton for life :)
congrats on your TE88!
Thanks for the tour of the illusive MOSS board. Crazy those boards are more costly now than the Triton itself.
that really is bizarre!
I still have my korg trinity v3 - never going to sell it.
Wonderful video... I recently got a triton classic and I want to make my own collection of sounds... What is the best librarian to handle pcg easily?
I love my triton from 2000❤️
Where do you get the moss expansion board for Triton Pro X?
moonlight shadow, Mike Oldfield?
Love the Triton sounds👌🏻
Funnily enough I just recently dusted off my Karma with MOSS and Prophecy which have been in the loft for the past two decades during lockdown. Its easy to forget just how impressive they were back then when the regular old analog synths sounded tired old and as dull as dishwater. You can also download the Z1 patches (From the Korg website) to the MOSS board so you get two synths for the price of one. Great video.
I had no idea! Do you use a blank disc to update them?
@@dyjomat you can sys ex them over using a MIDI sys ex tool best I remember, though I also replaced the floppy drive on the Karma with a chaep ebay SDCARD floppy emulator which makes the bank transfers even easier.
@@ShaunWatson I have a Triton with the MOSS BOARD I scored for it.. It is remarkable even today.
The alien chattering patch is weird, it sounds like talking. The moss board is quite a versitile addition to an already great synth.
I'm going to have to go and play mine now!!! Oh and great tan!!! Must be great weather in Sweden!
not so much, i'm just outdoors whenever I can be in the summer months! have fun :)
Crowed House at the end sounded lush :)
glad someone identified it and thanks for making it to the bitter end! hope you didn't skip ahead :)
At 8:30 famous Lately Bass in action (from Yamaha TX81z). Also known as Solid Bass on DX100.
Nice playing Woody, not bad for a 20 year old workstation, Korg were ahead of their time. That Wurli sound is incredible.
I still have my Korg Z1, there are still a few things it can do that I don't believe can be done even with the latest VSTs.
Example: Yes, you can get great physically modelled VSTs such as the SWAM stringed and wind instruments. But, even though they are easier to use and mor realistic than say, the MOSS bowed instrument model, you can get access to the synth parameters and change aspects of the model. This is great if you're into sound design, as you can get great ambient (and weird!) sounds out of it!
i didn't enjoy editing using the touch screen, but I'm sure it would have been awesome using a PC editor, I'm guessing some were available at the time.
@@WoodyPianoShack Yes, unfortunately the Korg Z1 2004 editor is no longer available. It only ran on Windows XP.
I believe the contemporary Midiquest works, but is very expensive! There was an official Mac editor, still avaiable at the Korg website, but runs on PowerPC (!) era Macs.
Nice job with the demo. Enjoyed hearing wide variety of sounds of the MOSS board. Wish I had a Triton keyboard rather than the TRack to get the after-touch and joystick effects. Korg made some really ground breaking instruments back in the day.
I recently asked Derek sherinian on Instagram if he used the moss board to obtain that gnarly sounds when he was in dream theater,and he said yes!
cool!
How do you record, save, load, and play a song on the Korg?
mm, dunno, never dared to try that.
The pluck model sounds like if Roland had included a guitar patch on the RD-1000/MK-S20. The brass & bowed models, while still sounding synthetic, have nice acoustic-esque artifacts, which makes them really deep & useable. That VPM! 😍 & I've never met a synth pad I didn't like & these are so very lush.
Awesome 😎 I hope that the MOSS is resurrected as a plugin. It’s too good not to be. Happy new year 🥳
It has been, and by Korg as a Korg Prophecy, and this as part of their classic and legacy synth collection.
@@Hyper5nic Yes, I think it was released shortly afterwards! I have the software version now which is good for me!
Such a good job. It would be great if you got a Prophet 5 and got it fully restored then walked through the steps.
Wow The Sound Are Very Amazing!
There's a little typo in your description with the spelling of "OASIS" which should be spelled with a Y instead of an I.
Looks like this uses a similar type of Karplus-Strong algorithm as found in STR-1. And VPM as found in MOD-7. Ring, Sync and Cross can all be found in AL-1. Analog sounds are of course taken care of by the EX synths in the Kronos. The Wurly and Organ are also in the Kronos. Most of those Kronos engines might be using algorithms inspired from the MOSS but are more than likely rebuilt from the ground up.
If you would like help with learning any of those programs feel free to reach out to me.
Woody, for some unknown reason I have difficulty accessing the moss Combi sounds. Programms play just fine in the F bank (its lit up)
where should I enter them? In the manual its marked as B000 for Piano Forest Keyboard but obviously in bank B you normally have its own native sounds when I press the B button. Enlighten me please if you are in the know.
I have a Korg Karma and a Triron Rack, no Moss board inside (way too expensive) but on their own, the Karma and Triton Rack are great already :-))
yes but nothing compared to the Moss sounds.
they sure are, what's the going rate for the expansion board?
Somewhere around $600 currently
@@MMIStudios wow, that is rich
@@MMIStudios For that amount of money i prefer bying a Z1
This is amazing woody! Thank u for showing this.. been a your subscriber since 350subs
appreciated,cheers!
I heard the "M1 Lore" sample behind the opening piano (background pad). Very cool. Korg ported that sample over to the wavestate as well. I use it a lot :) This video also made me realize that the Korg Triton software version does not have the MOSS architecture in it. Very disappointing. Correct me if I'm wrong. No "bank F" in the software either :( Great video Thank you Woody.
Is it true if you have a moss board that you can use sounds from other keyboards?
Dear Woody - I have the JD-990 and the sax, among other instruments, is unbelievable.
My grand mistake and apologies, it is the M-3 not the JD-990 that has one of the greatest realistic sax. However the JD-990 is a tremendous instrument.
I love triton. I still own it. With programming you can approximate many of what the moss can do. With exception i think the bras and vpm
The resonance on the synth drum preset reminds of the string model on the Korg Volca Drum.
Great vid, thanks.
I have a Triton Extreme 61 and really like the organ sound there on the MOSS board.
Better than the stock ones.
I gig with the Extreme as a top board and was thinking of possibly swapping it for one of the new cut down workstations.
Mainly for reduced weight and more up to date sounds.
Might consider instead installing the MOSS upgrade if I can find one at a good price.
PLEASE QUESTION: ¿Is the EXB-MOSS CARD the same for the Triton, Triton Pro, Extreme and Karma? Coz, I have gotten the opp.of purchasing a 2cnd hand MOSS but it is going to be tasted inside a Triton Pro.. I guess..
Txs in advance.
Cheers!
don't know hope someone can help...
@@WoodyPianoShackyes they are the same MOSS board except for the Trinity V3 that uses a different MOSS board that can't be easily removed from the instrument unlike the other board for Triton and Karma.
Nice video Woody. Thx. Do you know if these Exp are available for the Triton VST ?
not currently, shame
Can I use it on the Breath Control Korg Triton Extreme? What settings are required to use it?
no idea, sorry. sounds like a good question to post on a korg forum.
I traded one of my tritons years ago and forgot 2 take out my Moss board, :(. I purchased a Korg OASYS PCI board and never used it. It's sitting on a shelf in my garage inside a Mac that I never used. I think that board was similar 2 the Moss board.
Roland had SA synthesis on their RD-1000/MKS-20 pianos in 1986, which was a physical modelling technology.
The MOSS board sounds great and it's a big upgrade for the Triton. But it was expensive and sold in small numbers. So they're very rare and pricey today. You can pick up a Triton Rack for as little as $250, but MOSS boards-if you can find one-are typically $1000 or more. As good as it sounds, that's hard to justify with so many good modern synths in that price range. If you do get one, make sure that your floppy disk works, as you'll need it to load the sound set.
It would have been great if the new Triton VST emulated the MOSS board. But, unfortunately, it doesn't, so original hardware is the only option.
Good sounds indeed. So many of these patches needed legato play mode tho. Is that a per-patch setting, or global?
Is it possible instal the exb moss on triton studio? Thanks
don't know friend, you'll have to download and check manual for that model.
Excellent my friend!
I could be wrong, but wasn't the Clavia Nord Lead the 1st VA?
Ah, looked it up, the Nord Lead (1995) first synth to use the term Virtual Analog. But there def were synths with Digital wave forms prior... D50, M1, JD-800 all come to mind..but none were called Virtual Analog.
Marshal Arnold they used samples as oscillators, not dsp modelling
@@dbefore7165 ah very good then
Thank you for an review. Pretty structured sound. I've just picked up Triton Classic for a price of an apple earbuds and found out that MOSS boards are way more expensive. But even standalone this synth has a nice soundbanks)
for sure, sounds great with or without moss.
I gotten Karma instead.. mostly appealed for its unique function found later on m3 and Kronos as Karma2. Still got to get the MOSS. I DO NOT KNOW if is the same MOSS for the Classic, Extreme and Pro..
I Love Physical Modelling
is these sound available in Korg TRITON plugin?/ if no I can create it?
Thanks ...
My main man woody, back at it again 😎
Is this a similar technology to what was used in the Jupiter-50/80 boards or am I way off?
you're probably right, supernatural is similar, although uses combination of samples and modelling, moss is pure modelling for the oscillators afaik.
Get the MOSS and fall in love with those 6 voices.
Enter the Z1 with the extra 6 voice expansion..... hello 18 voices!!!! 🤟
I have the MOSS board fitted to my Triton Extreme, which combined with the valve makes some absolutely monumental sounds!
You need to get an EX5 (and a VL1). The MOSS king was the Z1 if you can find one.
In some ways but moss on triton benefited from bigger screen and better effects
i ve got mine .. great keyboard.. but hard to "program"
yeah david, both those yammies really interesting to me
@@chaton51 I had one years ago- i felt I should have been given a graduation ceremony after reading the manual.
@@dbefore7165 True, but the Z1 has more polyphony and more possibilities for realtime modulation (many controllers on hand)
Cool information. I thought the Moss board was monophonic. This information makes the board worth buying.
That’s the Prophecy that only has one voice.
@@ghfjfghjasdfasdf There was the monophonic SOLO-TRI expansion for the Trinity, which was soon followed by the polyphonic but still mono-timbral MOSS-TRI. The Triton EXB-MOSS featured in this video is both polyphonic and multi-timbral.
I know the MOSS for the Triton has six voices. I was simply telling the OP that it was the stand alone Prophecy that was monophonic.
@@ghfjfghjasdfasdf I was just pointing out that there was also such a thing as a monophonic "Moss board", though only for the Trinity. It also felt appropriate to list all the boards, since OP seems to not be aware of the difference.
Copy that.... I think I’d read a comment or two about the Trinity having something MOSS related, on a Gearslutz post here and there, so your comment was cool to see.
When I got my Triton Extreme, it surprisingly came with the MOSS board, but it didn't really seem like anything I don't already have better alternatives for in my arsenal. I would sell it if I wasn't already retired.
i'm sure these boards are quite sought after by collectors nowadays
Awesome demo. Just love the sounds of the Moss board. Did I hear "local hero theme" by Mark Knopfler/Dire Straits with the guitar modeling OSC's?
Cheers
Daniel of Eat and Listen channel
Daniel of D.S. (Swedish synthrock / electro-industrial project)
that would be correct!
Can you made one video about fantastic Triton sequencer and demonstrate it?
not likely, screen is dim, hard to read, and not fun to operate. most guys using daws these days.
@@WoodyPianoShack OK.
Just saying, for the sreen, there is a little brightness knob on the back.
I really enjoyed using the Triton's sequencer with its great cuelist feature for C Lab Notator SL type song structures. I created entire songs using just the Triton and MOSS board and a Roland XV3080 module.
I have a Z1, one if my favorites but a shame that it doesn't have the large screen of the Triton to help with editing, all of the PC editors are really unhelpful, I find, too.
The Z1 is quite laggy as well, changing programs is slow.
6581punk it was bit quicker if you disabled program change
Also, the Z1 has far less effects capability than either MOSS-equipped Trinity or especially Triton (more processing "blocks", full MFX x2, full routing, compared to Trinity).
@@6581punkI got so frustrated with my Z1EX due to its sluggish response time changing patches and it would also randomly change parameters thanks to some strange bugs in Logic at the time.
Maybe you also could review Yamaha PLG-150AN :-) Anyway did Korg evolve MOSS in they later generations of workstations, or as Yamaha, just scrap it?
i think some of it got carried on to some later models, but not all. an1x is a beast always wanted one. had the 150an in my 6x.
@@WoodyPianoShack I have got dual 150an in motif-rack (theoretically An1x Rack :-)), but tricky to use even with editor.
@@petertorda5487 i had an150 and dx150 in two slots, what a powerhouse!
@@WoodyPianoShack Perfect combo. Despite, that today we can do it everything in software, I still have a soft spot, for these HW things :-D
Still got my Z1 as my master keyboard.. but when it was released, when i bought it.. what awful factory presets !!! Still in need for a Z1 VST... I don't understand what Korg was thinking about with those factory presets, not revealing the full power of the beast.
Are you going to review the new Korg Prophecy VSTi Woody? 😁
not in the immediate future for various reasons, none of which are lack of interest in the proph!
I’ve spent thousands on Kong. First the Kong M1 then the Kong trinity then the Trinity v3 hdr then the 88 key korg triton v3. Trying to integrate them into my I-ad pro studio. 🙏🏿🙏🏿🙏🏿
You should eventually get hold of a Korg Karma. Marillion's Mark Kelly kept using it for quite a while!and is still using it today!
is that so? interesting, and yeah, i should
I say, this is very impressive for 1995! Dare I say, maybe ahead of it's time. But some might disagree, and that's fine :).
nobody is disagreeing about that!
Sounds nice :)
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I like racks because they take less space. However, a Triton Rack with the EXB-MOSS board will easily go north of €/$/£1000, which is considerably more than a Z1.
Of course, you get the Triton thrown in as a bonus, but I might not necessarily need one.
I know that sounds never get old, whatever is the sound source! Is there anybody that refuse this fact?
I agree perhaps it’s all in how they approach and use the sounds in the composition ex.. the emu sp1200 12 bit and alive and kicking and demanding today. I’m taking the dive and try to hunt down a moss board for my Tri/extreme
I’d love to make some combos w/ that
Now we’re talking. David J. From Los angeles
It is pretty amazing that Korg is the only brand that put the headphone jack on the front. A small thing, but why should we have to fumble around of the back to insert the headphone on other brands?
yeah and it reduces the length of the available cord on when plugging on back, but i observe also that headphones on front more likely to be damaged, by walking into, knocking etc... pros and cons
@@WoodyPianoShack I rarely walk around with headphones so that would be a minor issue for me, another option would be to put the jack on top on the casing. On the back is the worst option especially on synths that also have the text on the backside.
The KING of all was the VL-1, then everything else and then for me it would be the Yamaha EX5 and then everything else down the line
Still haven’t found a board at a decent price here :(
The VPM sounds like FM because it is FM, to be precise it is Phase Modulation, what all FM synth (including Yamaha) are.
The bowed string model sounds realistic to my ears, but the problem is probably more that a keyboard is not the best medium to play like a violin.
Your example of the brass model show exactly what sample base modelling can’t do
the VST is excellent.
OMG! I've just found a listing in the UK for a nearly normal price! (for such an old card) My Triton Extreme will soon be complete :)
I know very little about all the extras you can add to this keyboard, but it is enough to me just being able to enjoy having one of this keyboards. Y enjoy everything about them