"Homer's Enemy" was actually the writers' holding up a mirror to the haters and naysayers who were criticizing the character of Homer and the way things always worked out for him.
I always understood that chapter as a really simple but hard message: Life is simply not fair: get use to it or die in your frustration for not being able to accept it. This is indeed a very shocking and strong message for a society like the American one, where they always teach you that meritocracy is real in the capitalist world, and that if you work really hard you will be successful and rich, while if you are poor or miserable is because you are lazy and conformist. In reality it is certainly not like that, there is people that are mediocre and have done barely the minimum and still getting a pretty good life, while there is a lot of good and really hard working people that simply can't get out of their misery no matter how hard they work. Frank was a pretty clear example of this way of thinking, and the hard part is that after a whole life working he finally gets the opportunity of his life, but he simply looses it by not being able to accept how unfair is life and the system.
I remember watching it while my ed was still a massive secret. Soooo weird but also Idk if it was a topic American dad should’ve handled yk like he just recovers at the end of the episode like nothing even happened
Also, that was a great AD episode. I don't know why this series is so hated while Family Guy just keeps devolving into a complete trainwreck year after year.
i still remember the first time i watched the american dad anorexia episode. it completely got me in all the ways it was supposed to. i was getting angry at his family for trying to sabotage his diet thinking they were just being crazy and paranoid, and was completely rooting for stan until we finally saw him as he actually was and was genuinely shocked at myself for not realising there was anything wrong... whether you like the show or not, that episode is really well done and really helped inform me on eating disorders when i first saw it as a 13 year old.
Thank you for pointing out that both women and men have been victims of domestic abuse. Some people don't want to acknowledge it, or else they laugh at it like it's a joke.
Thank you for pointing out some people may not want to acknowledge it, and not all people you may have in mind. There are some other people I have in mind that could be considered the opposite of the ones you are thinking about which do the same for different reasons. Don't forget that Little edit: Who are you talking about anyways?
Man that episode of Bojack was really strong for me, my dad was suffering of dementia caused by a tumor, I had to pause the episode several times, but ended up watching it two times anyways is so artistic yet so real. My dad died this friday, I migrated to Argentina and couldn't see him for over two years, I'm still trying to cope but I'm feeling better, I know he was suffering, death surely was a release for him. If anyone reads this, thank you, needed to express that.
IMO, the best thing about Time's Arrow is that it did not expect you to forgive Beatrice, simply understand her, and it did it excellently. At the end of the episode, the viewer is 100% in sync with Bojack who decides to not take his revenge on his mother like he always wanted and just let her be at peace. Had we not seen her journey, I imagine that most peole would've been genuinely upset at Bojack for not giving Beatrice what they felt she deserved.
I still wish Bojack got the revenge he so much has earned and Beatrice deserves. I could care less about what happened to her in her past because at the end of the day she had 100% autonomy over herself and her actions. Any comeuppance she got is 100% on her and her shitty behavior. Todd said it best. "You are all the things that are wrong with you. It's not the alcohol or the drugs or all the shitty things that happened to you in your career or when you were a kid. It's you. Alright? It's you." Now to clarify. When I say I could care less about what happened to her in her past I'm referring to who she is today as that has nor shouldn't have any baring on the person she is. It's not an excuse. It's like an abusive father who beat his child went to apologize after the kid is an adult and tried to use his shitty past to explain why he abused him. It doesn't matter what your past was like. What matters is who you are in that moment. I do care in terms of character study and intrigue.
@@RJLiams To put simply. Dementia. Reality/illusion based disorders especially those that tamper with your view on reality, memory or reliving a singular newly made he'll every single moment of your life. Is a very terrifying aspect in terms of character development. Some actions truly don't become chur own if chu can't truly see reality. It's not a drug or alcohol Chu chose to take either...
@@blaizgueesford8545 Before dementia Beatrice was absolutely horrendous person. Dementia didn't verbally and emotional abuse Bojack. Dementia didn't turn Beatrice into that horrible person. She was always like that. Sure during her dementia I can't fully blame her for say drugging a young girl. Yes, she's not all there. However, that's not the things that Bojack and the audience want revenge for. It's everything else.
Maybe that didn't make the list because it wasn't so much dark as mean spirited. Homer's Enemy looks into rather grim but existing aspects of real life and the frustrations and self destruction it can cause. That makes it more unsettling.
I don't remember that episode. That's really disturbing! And here I thought that the Alvin and the Chipmunks episode about them greiving the loss of their cat was dark!
@@2TU74 it's not whiny, it's just bringing light to the fact that some people cant be saved, unlike most shows it shows life is nothing but things piling like up until you evaually die. The lesson is to enjoy life while you are still alive. Some people can't enjoy life because they are just fundamental bad but you can work on self improvement even tho bojack can't be saved from himself. I am new to this show and this is what I took from it
I really enjoyed the outro. Stating 'it's gonna be okay' as insincere, but then following it with a sincere comment that can be felt inside was a very uplifting way to end such a dark episode. Your commentary is clearly well thought out, and your narration is very pleasant to listen to.
It felt a little offensive to those who say that with genuinely good intentions. We all want to believe things will be okay in the end, and sometimes a little optimism is what we need. That being said, I'm sure PhantomStrider meant to voice genuine care for the audience.
Homer's Enemy is my all time favourite Simpson's episode. It always comes off as a way of exploiting just how unplausible the life of Homer/his family is. Almost like a critique of the show. The idea for the episode was "A regular person who was forced to work with Homer" and how that would cause a regular person to lose their mind. A lazy, uneducated buffoon who goes to space, is friends with the President, and is somehow well-off at his job where he is in charge of everyone's safety despite being inept... gotta love that concept. That doesn't mean I don't appreciate your take on it. I can see how it comes off as mean-spirited, but I see that as a byproduct of the story they are telling. Good stuff as always!
yeah. i also think it's really dangerous that there's not a lot of attention for eating disorders in men. That could make it a lot harder for men to realize/admit they have anorexia
I saw it as just a meta take on Homer and the world of Springfield. The Simpsons gets it's humor from taking a sarcastic look at this country's problems and assigns a stereotype to every facet of American life. Your hobby, ethnicity, occupation, religion, or interests are kind of dumb when you look at it right. Comic Book Guy is not a collector of comics, he's a pretentious dork who doesn't realize how pathetic and mundane his personality is. Chief Wiggum is not a respectable officer of the law, he is an unqualified idiot who is too inept and dangerous to hold a gun or a badge. And bottom line: most of America is like this. For every good cop there are thousands of Chief Wiggums. For every down-to-earth sci-fi fan there are thousands of Comic Book Guys. The immediate family is Matt Groening's way of holding up a mirror to the average American family. Homer is a lazy, uneducated functioning alcoholic and we've sort of taken this fact for granted for years now by the time this episode first aired. Frank Grimes is an average, real-life American who has been sucked into a cartoon world and is trying to make sense of Springfield, but most importantly, Homer Simpson. Homer shouldn't be able to make it as far as he has in life as the person he is. Everything about his character is put under and electron microscope because the viewers have sort of accepted that he's a humorous character and not a *caricature* of the average American. How does this man work at a nuclear plant being as stupid as he is? How can a selfish slob like him have such a wonderful wife? Why do people like him? If any of us met Homer in real life we'd ask the same thing. Eventually Frank believes that if Homer can continually make an ass of himself it must not be so wrong to join in. For the sake of comedy, he dies doing what Homer would do. His funeral service is the funniest part of the episode. "Frank Grimes - or 'Grimey' as he liked to be called by friends..." is the ultimate insult to his life and legacy. And Homer dozes off at a funeral, making some oafish statement like "change the channel, Marge!" in his sleep to roaring laughter from all. "That's our Homer!" It sure is Lenny. It sure is.
And the correct answer IS: Frank was a representation of the CRITICS of The Simpsons. Matt Groening fessed up years ago. Go back and watch the segment again, only now replace Frank with Critics. That's why Homer "doesnt seem to do anything to Frank" and is nice guy Homer. It's also why The Simpsons BURIED Frank at the end. To put a final period on bad critics.
Time's Arrow really shook me up because I had a grandpa suffering from Dementia, Parkinson's, and PTSD before he passed away this September and it was even worse the second time I watched it because he had just passed on my second watch-through (which was just before Season 5 dropped)
I'm so sorry you, your grandpa, family, and everyone that knew him and respected him had to battle against these absolutely horrible and draining conditions. I hope hes in peace, and everyone that he held near and dear to his heart will be able to find some tranquility when they know that they are not the only ones that deeply miss him.
As dark as its concept was, The American Dad After School Special was, at the same time, a VERY good episode. I genuinely believe everyone who likes American Dad SHOULD watch it, as it's as well-written as it is dark.
As someone who's dealt with eating disorders on my own I can say that it's extremely relatable and while a little bit exaggerated (as cartoons are) is grossly similar to my own thought processes when dealing with that time in life.
lol thanks XD As much as I hate to censor unnecessarily, I didn't want this video flagged like worst anime was over one thing I missed. May as well make the self-censoring entertaining though :D
Moral Orel truly was the cartoon that broke Adult Swim. It's a shame it was canceled, but it's hilarious that a channel that prides itself on "adult" "edgy" cartoons couldn't handle it.
As someone who is actively fighting anorexia, the american dad episode really hit hard when I first saw it. The moment they reveal his real body I had to pause the episode to go do something else for a while. It struck home and made me seriously question if we should keep the damn mirror in our hallway. Did not expect that from an american dad episode
The episode really stuck with me too. I've also struggled in the past with an eating disorder and it reached a peak around the time I happened to see this episode. And it reminded me just how much things like anorexia could dominate someone's life. So much of it still resonates with me today. I'm sorry for what you're going through amanda and if it's any consolation, it got much better for me over time. I'm still generally a very healthy eater but I can enjoy a treat now.
Unpopular Opinion: I think "Auto Errotic Assimilation" is one of the best episodes of Rick and Morty because it has something NO other episode has AT ALL: It has an experience that 'breaks' Rick. He was always seen as emotionaly indestructible: His nihilistic point-of-view makes it easy for him to accept things that would put a lot of development on other characters: The death of a friend, a feeling of being unloved by everyone, betrayal by family, depression. But strangely, Rick always walked it all off as if he experienced it many times before. The most he does, is throw in a frown, AND THAT'S IT!!! He never showed any emotion about ANYTHING that's typically very difficult on normal people (it's part of the reason edgy fans worship him), but Unity leaving him for someone else? THAT hit him so hard he almost killed himself in dispair. And honestly, THAT IS KINDA REFRESHING!!!!
I personally feel as if Strider actually missed part of the message that I get/got from Rick and Morty in general as well as "Auto Erotic Assimilation". Not because I am 'smart' but because I generally look at the world in a pessimistic and nihilistic way.
@Brandon Roberts Like to me, I have always read the show as a statement on the fact that nihilism and a depression about your existence is unwarranted because the people in your life, as fucked up as they are, give you reason. I've never taken it as a 15-20 minute bashing over the head that you're not important...but the look into a man who had completely missed what really was important and was now having to catch up with the damage he's caused in his past. The 'Auto Erotic Assimilation' episode, to me, was an opening into the mindset of how Rick views the world...and him doubting what he believes in.
Another part of that episode is the fact Rick's alcoholism is what saves him. If you notice he doesn't chicken out at the last moment, he passes out... until the next day.
I don’t particularly think that Rick in Rick and Morty is intended to be mature and insightful as most of the edgy fan base have come to believe. We aren’t supposed to see Rick as smart for his nihilism, we’re supposed to question it. That’s why we see him most often juxtaposed with Morty, who often finds the good in mundaneness. It’s almost akin to Squidward and Spongebob. I think comparing the series to Bojack is a little like comparing apples with oranges. They’re both fruit, but they have different flavors. I really like cartoons. Anyway, great list as usual!
Rick and morty had a few fucked up episodes, the two i remember the best are the episodes were morty got to lead an adventure and almost got raped by a jelly bean and spent the rest of the episode just trying to leave the adventure and not wanting to lead anymore (without context that must look retarded) and the one were morty found out rick wipes mortys memories to avoid the trauma they would cause.
I LOVE Moral Orel!!! I still think that it was the most well written, intelligent, insightful, & entertaining, Adult Swim shows ever!!! I grew up in & still reside in, a town that has more churches than businesses, so to me, Moral Orel is absolutely hilarious, & speaks to me personally.
As someone with OCD, that clip from Moral Orel was the single best representation of OCD I've ever seen. It captures the feeling of helplessness as you try to satisfy your compulsions to no avail. I'm doing better now since I just left a mental health facility, but at my worst I was barely able to leave my room in case I touched something.
There was a "message" in "Homer's Enemy", sort of. The writer was trying to show what happened when you try to apply real-life rules to fantasy, and thus gave us a plot where a realistic character tries to deal with Homer, who was intentionally made more obnoxious than usual to make that statement. Unfortunately, the mistake they made was that Grimes isn't very "realistic" either, in that his life is just exaggerated misery after misery that only gets worse. As you saw, the results were not pretty. Some viewers saw Homer as a monster, and others saw Grimes as a big jerk, neither being the true intent. And seeing as "Screams of Silence" made your list, the writer achieved his stated goal perfectly.
I don't feel like Rick and Morty's lessons are meant to be taken seriously (unlike a lot of the 12 year olds see it) and I think that the whole point of Ricks nihilism is to not act like him. When I see it like that, that's how I find my enjoyment out of the show. If you acknowledge the edginess and don't take it to heart, it's great.
The King Of The Hill episode is darker when you remember Trip comes back to reality upon getting electrocuted and everything that’s ever happened finally hits him right before he dies
Howdy! Just a heads up that there's a few darker concepts discussed in this one. Thanks very much to my assistant writer Cosmodore in this one as well as my editors Timelord, FuturisticBagel and ToonGrin. Thanks very much to my Patrons for believing in me too. All the community helped make this video possible and I appreciate it. Look after.
Hey, I was pleasantly surprised to see you acknowledge Moral Orel, I've never seen anyone even acknowledge it who was in any way well-known. It's my favourite Adult cartoon ever by miles, so would you ever consider doing some kind of list or video on it?
I gotta say this is one of your most smart and thought provoking videos yet. As someone with OCD, the moral Orel episode was a bit exaggerated but still very relatable. I do hope this list gets more views because it actually cheered me up a bit. :)
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My grandpa suffers from dementia and my dad shows signs from it and Bojack Horseman portrays how it feels incredibly accurate and I'm glad they handled the subject better than any family guy episode ever could
I'm sorry but you missed the point entirely of the moral orel episode "alone". Specifically the part involving orel's teacher Miss Sculptham. It is NOT about OCD. She was raped by the milk man/ice cream guy(i forget which), but she was so alone so ENJOYED IT. She's playing with the lock because it represents sex, going IN AND OUT over and over. The point was that she was alone, and the first human contact she had, however violent was satisfying to her. She wanted it to HAPPEN AGAIN. You even see her pleasure herself to the thought it of. I don't mean to be nitpicky but you gave the wrong impression to the episode when it is SOOOOO much deeper and more fucked up than that. For those of you who have never seen moral orel, all i can say is be prepared. You see hints in season 1 and about half of season 2. Its the last few episodes of season 2 and the entirety of season 3, that's when the show gets DARK. Really dark.
Well yes and no. I dont think she necessarily wants it to happen again, because it shows that she feels really guilty about feeling pleasure from the experience of being r*ped.
I'm more surprised and kinda happy that they gave Stan the eating disorder. I know it's just because it was the most comedic as making Francine or Haylee anorixic and then joking about would just be incredibly poor taste. But I also know that men and boys can have eating disorders as well so it was kind of nice to see a man be the one with a problem. I like that for the first half of the episode we see Stan getting fatter and fatter. We see what out of context looks like his family sabotaging him to teach him a lesson and come on like they wouldn't do that. But there's that incling that something is off with our preception and then we're shown what everyone else sees, that Stan is actually bone thin and pushing himself to the point of death. Even though it is played for some jokes they do actually show how serious eating disorders can get. I maintain that even in their darker and more shock value episodes American Dad is still 10x better than Family Guy and I feel it's because you know that the family does actually love each other. Even when they do cruel things (and not that I'm trying to justify disfigurement of bodies or mental abuse) you still feel that they love each other and that this is just the kind of people that they are. It helps that American Dad seems to be set in it's own completely insane world and that the other people in that world are just as unbalanced as the Smiths where as in Family Guy it's precived that the Griffins are in our world and completely hate each other the Smiths seem quite par for the course in theirs. I still really like American Dad it still can make me laugh. Anyways I keep repeating myself and you get the idea. Talk to you guys later and Howdy Strider!
Absolutely. Well said. Stan's delusional state of his body 100% reflects what often happens with anorexia. I was going overtime but I really wanted to convey that at least a little in the review.
I think what makes a lot the newer adult shows like Bojack Horseman and Rick and Morty more depthful is that they dark shows but not in the generic way Family Guy is. Family Guy is just a bunch of one note cartoon jerks being horrible people for shock value, while the latter shows look into characters that are horrible people, but still in human ways. Sometimes they don't even mean to be horrible, it's just in their system, some of the audience might even relate to such moments of selfishness, even if they are hopefully exaggerated from their own. They're very psychological and I think that's why people take to them while Family Guy and The Simpsons seem to be losing steam with each season.
I wouldn't call Rick & Morty's philosophy immature per se, although we all know from the copypasta the worse fans are. I do think it'd be nice if they acknowledged a more optimistic philosophy, perhaps to have someone challenge Rick's, but I wouldn't say it's _real_ shallow.
I have always been really impressed with the writing for the "American dad" one. It isn't a perfect episode and the solution is a bit too quick at the end making it lose a bit of its message but the way it frames the family as the bad people in the beginning is honestly amazing. We see through Stan's eyes the whole first part of the episode and are lead to believe that his family is the ones in the wrong. That they are just jealouse or just don't want to admit that being fat isn't healthy...then we get the actual view of what is going on and it is a done really well. We see both sides of the coin but we start with Stan's so that we can put outself in his shoes and see what he is seeing and understand why he might believe his family is trying to trick him. It is so well done and is overall just a well executed episode
Time's Arrow was terrifying. The end sequence where Hollyhock gets ripped away from Henrietta paralleled with Beatrice's doll getting burned was horrific. The way her mother approached from behind the flames was chilling
8:35 great video as always, but I think the show is more about how Rick sees everything as meaningless more than everything being meaningless. The universe is about 93 billion light years in diameter. You and me cannot possibly understand this number, but Rick is so smart and he has been around so much, he actually understands what it means. He truly understands how pointless it is beyond what any human could, so imagine what this would do to any human. Tl;Dr the show Rick and Morty is more of a character study of Rick's nihilism than being about nihilism itself.
I believe that Rick and Morty follows the idea that through the chaos and hopelessness, life goes on. Even after Rick’s suicide attempt, life keeps going, and we see him again in the very next episode, alive and still going; killing some memory-infesting alien parasites. When Morty is sexually assaulted in Season 1 episode 5, we see that at the very same time, the meeseeks have begun a war at the Smith residence, trying to receive the sweet release of death, and while that is happening, Beth and Jerry are talking about that vacation that Beth wants to go on as they sip glasses of wine, and Summer is enjoying her newfound popularity most likely, with friends or a boyfriend. The point is that the world hasn’t stopped. As Morty is being assaulted, the meeseeks are trying to kill each other and themselves, and Jerry is struggling with his failing marriage, Rick is having the time of his life; gambling and singing “Sweet Home Alabama”, Summer is most likely happily chatting it up, and Beth is finally taking charge. Though it may feel like everything is falling apart, it’s not. You just have to keep going. That clip that was used; with Morty saying “Nobody exists on purpose, nobody belongs anywhere, everyone’s gonna die. Come watch tv?” That clip perfectly represents this symbolism that we see. Some horrible shit has happened to Morty AND Summer. But they’re alive, so they might as well live. That “Come watch tv” is Morty inviting Summer to keep going, just like he says. Morty now knows things; things that made Rick a nihilist. But Morty doesn’t go about it like Rick (seems to). Hell, just the fact that neither of them have committed suicide with the knowledge that they posses is proof that neither are true nihilists with what they know. They both know that they’re worthless, along with all that they do. But they haven’t yet stopped living. After the incident with the alien parasites, with Sleepy Gary and the others; especially with Jerry. With Jerry getting sexually assaulted. With Jerry achieving his dream and then getting it ripped away from him when it turns out that it was all a cheap simulation. With Rick being imprisoned. With Rick attempting suicide. With Rick’s perception of reality being mangled after learning a convincing simulation of his grandson was only a simulation (including his genitals). With Morty birthing his own dead body. With Morty being sexually assaulted. With Morty thinking that he had finally been appreciated by his grandfather (even if he was blacked out) and then it turning out that his grandfather wasn’t appreciating him, but instead a character that Rick didn’t remember the next morning, and then in the same episode seeing his heroes slowly killing each other and themselves. With Summer feeling ashamed of her body because she was dumped for a girl with bigger boobs. With Summer seeing her crush shattered in front of her. With Summer trying to escape from her emotions about her parents divorce by murdering half of a society in a post apocalyptic version of Earth. With Beth losing her mind when she can’t tell if she’s a fabricated clone that has to be killed by her own father or a real person. With Beth having to venture back to her childhood not-so-imaginary world to retrieve and, as it turns out, hurt her childhood friend in order to save an innocent man’s life. And with Beth having to lose her dear father multiple times in tragic ways only for him to randomly come back later. All of these things are soul crushing, and could potentially drive your average person to suicide. But the Smith family is not made up of average people. I watched this show when I was going through suicidal thoughts. This was one of the things that helped me survive them. It beautifully portrays that message of continuing on through hopelessness. Not giving the perfect amount of fucks to keep going, but still caring about those around you. It’s a simple fact that none of us matter, and nor will anything that we ever do, but we can still watch tv. Nothing matters, but we can enjoy little things like interdimensional cable. It was a message that even I, in my darkest days, could agree with. It’s that “why not” attitude that kept me going. Those little hints of happiness. Rick and Morty tells us that even if every single sign is pointing to us having a worthless life, we should still keep going, just for that little bit of light. I’m bad at summarizing, sorry about that. But hey, better to see this great show through a new lens, right?
You actually forgot that Futurama episode called "Jurassic Bark". Dang! That dog at the end really disappointed me whenever I saw him starving to death.
10: Slasher (The Nutshack) 9: Homer's Enemy (The Simpsons) 8: After School Special (American Dad) 7: Auto Erotic Assimilation (Rick & Morty) 6: Screams of Silence (Family Guy) 5: Pigmalion (King of the Hill) 4: Alone (Moral Orel) 3: Coma (Mr Pickles) 2: Lost in the Parking Space (Drawn Together) Castlevania (2017) Rick Potion #9 (Rick and Morty) EP 200/201 (South Park) 1: Time's Arrow (Bojack Horseman) *You're Welcome*
Despite the mature, dark, controversial, and alien-like episodes we receive, the beautiful thing is that we can all come together and reconcile about these episodes.
Renamon 565 I hope things get better for you! It’s important to remember that even if you’re not particularly happy with the way you look, you deserve to be happy and healthy xx
About your speech on "Rick and Morty": Fun fact - Dan Harmon, the creator, actually agree with you. He also believes that nihilism is an unhealthy philosophy and a wrong way to look at life. He even says it: "Do I agree with rick that nothing means anything? No I do not because the knowledge that nothing matters, while accurate, leads you nowhere… The further back you poll the more that truth will endure. But when you zoom in on earth, when you zoom into a family, when you zoom into a human brain and your childhood and experience you see all this things that matter…" The quote is from this video. Start at 1:45: th-cam.com/video/de2grEPn7rg/w-d-xo.html Also, there is a really good "The Big Picture" video about why the series itself is actually trying to be against nihilism, but I don't know if you even watch bob's recent videos, so I'll leave it there. Keep up the good work, PhantomStrider.
I don't really like how nihilism is viewed as a bad thing. It's not nihilism that's a problem, it's the people who think that just because there's no reason to exist, means that they have to be miserable. If we don't have a destiny, we can do whatever we want, and be whoever we want. If life had meaning, then it would be a dictatorship, we would have to follow life's rules and not have any choice. Freedom doesn't exist to the extent of existing, but we still have as much as we need. Be happy that you don't need to follow life's rules, and enjoy life while you can. The only reason I struggle to enjoy life is because I don't know how to control myself, I don't know how to be who I want to be, I don't even know who I am. I'm really just a very different person who wants to understand this world and why everything is how it is, nihilism is my theory.
I always thought that pessimistic cosmic nihilism was the stupidest thing ever. Why wake up in a world where nothing matters to you? If nothing matters, why do you continue to work, play, and learn? You can't say that nothing matters and that every action means nothing while still participating in life. Why does Rick continue to invent things if nothing matters? Why doesn't he just lock himself in a room and wait for the end? It's a contradictory philosophy that, regardless of whether it's true or not, should be avoided. If nothing matters, then lock yourself in a room and suffer. After all, it doesn't matter does it?
@@TheGloriousLobsterEmperor I've done work in philosophy. The notion of nihilism in any form is one I'm familiar with. It's big sell is that it purports to be an accurate view of the world when looked at in full. There is no god, all the reasons we think of for living are in reality either just the ways we attempt to cope with the harsh reality that is our universal irrelevance or raw biology, and the most remote thing to mattering we can find is our own biological needs for pleasure. There's a reason nihilism is often juxtaposed with hedonism, which is subsequently the answer for why Rick continues to invent things, lest we forget that this is a man who's in all likelihood done every drug and made quite a few himself, done all the ways to party, and experienced all the pleasures of the universe in ways we can't even imagine, which is why he works, plays, and learns. It's little more than a feedback loop for someone like Rick, saying that's some sort of purpose would get you a sharp rebuttal of no, it's simply chemical reactions. (That is the basis of Rick's love potion after all. Side note, many people who get really into science get this sort of worldview naturally out of their absurd understanding of the universe compared to you and me.) I'm not going to tell anyone to read Nietzche or Shopenhauer (I think both are insufferable, but at least Shopenhauer's life is interesting in a few pages.), but ultimately pessimistic cosmic nihilism is a misnomer. It's straight cosmic nihilism, attributing a positive or negative to it misses the point that it only claims to be what is. It's not the nihilist's fault it's not pretty, but hell, if nothing matters, why not do things that get the old serotonin flowing? It's less depression and more just accepting Plato's Ring of Gyges for what it is, owning up to the fact we'd use the ring, and flagrantly enjoying it because there aren't any consequences to enjoying it. In a twisted sense, the Nihilist's point IS Strider's speech at 8:38, he just makes no bones about why and grounds it in the nothing as opposed to something. The real problem of this cosmic nihilism is the inability to judge anything then. It's the abdication of any sort of moral compass that inevitably bears down on this worldview once something truly awful happens, and so we see the point of the episode featured here. Rick ruined something he could not deny mattered, and the soul crushing reality of this fact pushed him to suicide, one which, as one intelligent commenter pointed out, would have succeeded had Rick not passed out right as the machine was about to liquify his brain. This is the real reason why nihilism is unacceptable, if we want to step out of rhetorical positioning and footwork and actually strike with something of some substance against the conclusion itself instead of critiquing the procedure that got us there. As for our advocate, @The Hooded Wolf, my charge to you is this. If nothing matters, which is the very base assumption of nihilism, consider this thought experiment. There are two people alone on an island. They have been stranded there for decades, and have all but lost hope for a rescue, living off of coconuts and the flora on the island. One year, in a famine of sorts, one man kills the other for food, we can call it for cannibalism or in order to steal food from the other's larder. The man is never rescued, and dies alone of natural causes from old age. No one ever finds out what happened, both men's names are lost to time, no one is there besides the man to value it, and he never engages in self reflection about it. Who, in a nihilist context, can condemn or uphold what he has done without stating that life matters, be it the dead man or the one who did the killing? This is the reason why nihilism is utterly untenable as a concept for someone like me that isn't the cosmic version I've spent denigrating earlier.
@@harleymitchelly5542 On your thought experiment: No one, as killing someone isn't inherently right or wrong. One could judge it based on personal values, however those are all they'd be; personal and utterly meaningless in the great scheme of things as they are not actually inherent to morality which itself is not inherent to objective reality.
Regarding honorable mentions 200 & 201: Matt and Trey didn't back down. Comedy Central did. They were mad about it. 201 is the only episode that hasn't been released unedited officially. Though naturally someone 'hacked' it off their website.
I'm not sure they were mad. Trey and Matt actually said in the dvd commentary they respected how the execs were straight up with them and said they didn't want to get blown up.
@@personmcpersonstein3571 Ah. Not heard it: from a transcript of that and an nterview I was under the impression that that was said somewhat ironically, but without tone of voice it can be hard to say.
10: Needlessly violent does not equal dark. 9: I didn't know him until you showed me this, but I will never forget. 8: There we go. When we got to this episode, I knew this list would be depressing 7: Damn.. I didn't expect you to shell shock me like Avengers Infinity War did. 6: This has to be one of the worst episodes on this list. One of the worst I've ever seen. 5: This was a Halloween episode? I'd rather watch Creepshow 2. 4: I did not know this was so horrifying. I thought this was a satire.. 3: Wierd Al was in Mr. Pickles? Hm. Maybe it's not as bad as I thought. 2: Oh hey, Morel Orel is back! Strange how this is one of the better episodes here. HM1: This is awesome! I always was a fan of Castlevania. HM2: Ah, one of my favorites. HM3: For some reason censored Moh#### was funnier than if they didn't censor him. 1: Knew it was coming somewhere.
This video really made me realize that complex and hard-to-swallow morals like these, when treated with respect, can be beautiful and even helpful. Well done compilation, I understood everything despite not having watched most of these shows yet(being fairly young, and sticking to less mature cartoons and especially TH-cam channels for the most part).
Elle & Tempolyn! Don’t let dumb fangirls ruin sans or any other characters for you, just try to remember that’s their stupid imagination and is not the real character P.S and just to be safe never look up sans x listener ok 👌🥴 (It'll ruin your life 😰)
@@thisshowhasnothingyet5082 He always thoroughly researches the list before making one,plus he has things to do irl with track and field practices,so it could be that too :)
The most disturbing part of Drawn Together I ever saw was where I think the gang was with some cops and they were observing this murder scene that was perpetrated by this little kid. He killed his entire family and then the last scene was him in the bathroom with his dead mother in the tub and he eats her organs and the says "now mommy will be inside me forever" and proceeds to commit suicide. That was the first time I was ever exposed to it and it's was super disturbing. Im honestly floored that got on tv.
I was expecting scary / thrilling things when I read the title, but it was the depressing kind of dark. Come to think of it.. somehow that does make it even more scary xD. Man, those were indeed some heavy episodes
Throughout most of this list I felt a heavy empathy with your narration, I think you already accomplished your mission. Good video Strider! Greetings from a rando on the internet ^^
The “Frank Grimes” episode was actually one of the better “Simpsons” episodes before the series got mired in political clichés. You understand the point: some are born on a soft bed while others are on a bed of nails. Here one views the world as happenstance rather than meritocracy. This is actually philosophically profound.
Times Arrow is my all time favorite episode of BoJack Horseman Honey’s lobotomy will always be the darkest moment in the show for me, I actually had to take a break for a hour after watching the episode to just reflect on what happened
Just watching the excerpt of that Moral Orel episode gave me unpleasant flashbacks of my Anxiety Disorder. That woman fiddling with the locks, the other one with her stuffed animals. The writers know what it's like to live with such disorders feeling alone in the world and being at the mercy of a community that doesn't understand you.
Hoo boy, this video reminded me of my deep rooted fear I still haven't gotten over since I was little: factory conveyor belts. Sounds weird I know, but dude, all the near/implied/actual death and injury that took place on those in fiction scarred me for life as a kid and still really unsettles me. Just in general the thought of a character, hero or villain seeing their untimely end dead ahead of them with no power to escape as the conveyor leads them closer and closer to their doom just really gets me for some reason. But hey, really amazing video as always Strider, I could be having a bad day but then *ping!* a notification pops up that PhantomStrider has uploaded a new video and my day becomes that little bit better :)
i have that fear too, it's terrifying the thought of being brought closer and closer to danger without your control. and the ways you could die are brutal. your not alone in that, night terrors about that.
Maybe that's why older films had the "tying people to the railroad" cliche. It's the same kind of being able to stare death in the face for a long time without any escape situation.
Morty: Um.. Rick...I..Eh I.. Really shouldn't be watching this....Its for Adults... Rick: Well man up Morty!Your mature right? Buuurrbb...Blech....it'll grow some hair between your legs.
Nathaniel Foga I love Time's Arrow, it fucking hurt me so badly. My god. Bojack Horseman make me depressed, make me think over my life, make me hurt. I love this shows
Howdy, Strider. I really appreciate the way you handled this list, especially the respect you treat your audience with. There's just one thing I wanted to say about your discussion of Rick and Morty, which is that I feel like you've changed the meaning of Morty's line by cutting it before the end, when he says "... come watch T.V." The idea is that it's BECAUSE nothing matters that we have to find joy where we can, which isn't that far off from your point about sticking together despite the awful things that can happen in this world. Other than that, I just want to thank you for being honest and genuine with your thoughts and feelings - it's one of the reasons I tune in for each new video!
**Slowly passes this video to anyone who still argues that animation is strictly for kids** Still not convinced? Watch _every. single. one of these episodes_ and get back to me on how you feel afterwards. Regardless of what you say, you'll be a new person after.
They should also see stuff like Heavy Metal, Fire and Ice, American Pop, Spawn TAS, Bojack Horseman, Wizards, Watership Down, Felidae, Plague Dogs, Fantastic Planet, Lightyears aka Gandahar, Aeon Flux the MTV series, The Maxx, DC animation, Ninja Scroll, Akira, Cowboy Bebop etc.
ShaddowSabbath The thing is that Family Guy is pretty much the Spongebob of adult cartoons. It’s just edgy and offensive humor for the sake of being offensive, rather than tackling modern issues and themes and portraying them in a realistic way such as with Rick and Morty and Bojack Horseman. Must be why plenty of teenagers like it. I used to like it myself before the show’s quality went into the crapper.
Now I realized that in the King of the Hill episode, this was either the first or second time Michael Keaton voiced as a pig. Why second? Well, I watched a Ghibli film called "Proco Rosso", a film centered on planes, pirates, and the main character being a pig pilot.
Totally agree with the number one. My nan had electro shock therapy for post natal depression and like with Beatrice Horseman you can see how it's affected our whole family so this episode was very realistic and uncomfortable to watch but I now feel I have a better understanding of how it affects someone.
It's a little dark in places but it's amazing and well worth a watch it'll make you laugh and cry, currently watching it through again as I enjoyed it so much.
man after time's arrow my boyfriend and i literally had to stop watching and just laid there and cried for an hour. it was an episode that was crafted with pinpoint precision to hit me hard too, as dementia is probably my greatest fear. it was devastating. it's probably my favorite episode of anything i have ever seen. it's just too powerful
Oh, OCD hits me hard too. Sometimes I leave home and turn around just to double check whether or not I locked the back door or front door. It drives me nuts. And every time I leave my car I make sure I see the lights flash for a moment signaling it's locked when I press the button...
Another comment, but I also love how Morel Orel is getting more appreciation lately in 2022. It’s truly such an underrated cartoon and it deserved better by Adult Swim.
Rick and Morty's philosophy is not meant to be followed. It's a commentary of the nihilism this show is portraying and a reminder that this is not the kind of world we want to live in. In fact, the therapist at the end of 'Pickle Rick' and the most recent episode of Rick and Morty with Beth's decision is a complete 180 of how the rest of the show is, because it's trying to show you that Rick's line of thinking is wrong.
Thank you. I don't get how people can't see what R&M really is. They get wrapped up in so many fans thinking it's genius that they forget the show isn't trying to be an intelligent philosophical commentary, I guess.
i just watched that earlier. holy hell was it disturbing and mature. how concepts like the ones in that episode could even be depicted in claymation is mind boggling.
@@colleenpinto7530 Heh. Reminds me of when this one girl borrowed my VHS tapes and watched Duckman episodes for 24 hours straight while in bed with the flu. She went into a deep depression as a result...
I was surprised to see Moral Orel on this list just because no one even knows about the very under appreciated show.
@@gabbls_ Well, the second half of season 2 and onward are all very dark. The earlier ones are more easygoing
JustaTroll i’ve never heard of it. I think I might watch that.
Saaaame
It's like Davy and Goliath meets South Park
Actually Moral Orel isn’t cancelled. It still airs on Adult Swim
"Homer's Enemy" was actually the writers' holding up a mirror to the haters and naysayers who were criticizing the character of Homer and the way things always worked out for him.
@theultimatexperience fuck you if ya do not like it dont watch
@Imani Alexander fuck you
@@theletsplayer4921 no u
I always understood that chapter as a really simple but hard message: Life is simply not fair: get use to it or die in your frustration for not being able to accept it. This is indeed a very shocking and strong message for a society like the American one, where they always teach you that meritocracy is real in the capitalist world, and that if you work really hard you will be successful and rich, while if you are poor or miserable is because you are lazy and conformist. In reality it is certainly not like that, there is people that are mediocre and have done barely the minimum and still getting a pretty good life, while there is a lot of good and really hard working people that simply can't get out of their misery no matter how hard they work. Frank was a pretty clear example of this way of thinking, and the hard part is that after a whole life working he finally gets the opportunity of his life, but he simply looses it by not being able to accept how unfair is life and the system.
@@eduardof7322 this was a good breakdown
The American Dad anorexia episode is so well done that I'd honestly be surprised if nobody involved with the production had/has an eating disorder
Well it is Hollywood, where such disorders are a lot more common
I never thought I'd say this but American Dad has emotionally moved me.
I remember watching it while my ed was still a massive secret. Soooo weird but also Idk if it was a topic American dad should’ve handled yk like he just recovers at the end of the episode like nothing even happened
You guys? I love American Dad. It's Family Guy I could never stomach.
Also, that was a great AD episode. I don't know why this series is so hated while Family Guy just keeps devolving into a complete trainwreck year after year.
i still remember the first time i watched the american dad anorexia episode. it completely got me in all the ways it was supposed to. i was getting angry at his family for trying to sabotage his diet thinking they were just being crazy and paranoid, and was completely rooting for stan until we finally saw him as he actually was and was genuinely shocked at myself for not realising there was anything wrong... whether you like the show or not, that episode is really well done and really helped inform me on eating disorders when i first saw it as a 13 year old.
Your right
Same, I actually gasped when I saw how he looked
That's like the only good american dad episode. I remember it clearly
THE MEMORIES ARE RUSHING IN (⊙o⊙)
Thank you for pointing out that both women and men have been victims of domestic abuse. Some people don't want to acknowledge it, or else they laugh at it like it's a joke.
THIS. It's like men can't be raped or abused. It's fucked up. I hope this will get more and more a knowledged in the future.
Thank you for pointing out some people may not want to acknowledge it, and not all people you may have in mind. There are some other people I have in mind that could be considered the opposite of the ones you are thinking about which do the same for different reasons. Don't forget that
Little edit: Who are you talking about anyways?
Marcos Socram I think I have an idea of what you're saying. It's food for thought.
Marcos Socram I meant that some people don't want to admit that males can be victims. They don't even want to consider that it's a possibility.
Black The Nerevarine I do too.
Man that episode of Bojack was really strong for me, my dad was suffering of dementia caused by a tumor, I had to pause the episode several times, but ended up watching it two times anyways is so artistic yet so real.
My dad died this friday, I migrated to Argentina and couldn't see him for over two years, I'm still trying to cope but I'm feeling better, I know he was suffering, death surely was a release for him.
If anyone reads this, thank you, needed to express that.
IMO, the best thing about Time's Arrow is that it did not expect you to forgive Beatrice, simply understand her, and it did it excellently. At the end of the episode, the viewer is 100% in sync with Bojack who decides to not take his revenge on his mother like he always wanted and just let her be at peace. Had we not seen her journey, I imagine that most peole would've been genuinely upset at Bojack for not giving Beatrice what they felt she deserved.
The true difference between empathy and sympathy. If only more people could get that differentiation.
I still wish Bojack got the revenge he so much has earned and Beatrice deserves. I could care less about what happened to her in her past because at the end of the day she had 100% autonomy over herself and her actions. Any comeuppance she got is 100% on her and her shitty behavior.
Todd said it best. "You are all the things that are wrong with you. It's not the alcohol or the drugs or all the shitty things that happened to you in your career or when you were a kid. It's you. Alright? It's you."
Now to clarify. When I say I could care less about what happened to her in her past I'm referring to who she is today as that has nor shouldn't have any baring on the person she is. It's not an excuse. It's like an abusive father who beat his child went to apologize after the kid is an adult and tried to use his shitty past to explain why he abused him. It doesn't matter what your past was like. What matters is who you are in that moment. I do care in terms of character study and intrigue.
@@RJLiams To put simply. Dementia. Reality/illusion based disorders especially those that tamper with your view on reality, memory or reliving a singular newly made he'll every single moment of your life. Is a very terrifying aspect in terms of character development. Some actions truly don't become chur own if chu can't truly see reality. It's not a drug or alcohol Chu chose to take either...
@@blaizgueesford8545 Before dementia Beatrice was absolutely horrendous person. Dementia didn't verbally and emotional abuse Bojack. Dementia didn't turn Beatrice into that horrible person. She was always like that. Sure during her dementia I can't fully blame her for say drugging a young girl. Yes, she's not all there. However, that's not the things that Bojack and the audience want revenge for. It's everything else.
@@RJLiams Bojack didn't succumb to the self-destructive cycle of hate and violence that rot his mother to the core.
There is a episode in the Simpsons when the town of Springfield pushes Bart to try to commit suicide because he lost a baseball game
Oh yeah I remember that one. It bothered me when I was younger but even more so now as suicide is a huge issue today.
He actually put that one on his worst Simpsons list awhile back cause it was so bad.....
Maybe that didn't make the list because it wasn't so much dark as mean spirited. Homer's Enemy looks into rather grim but existing aspects of real life and the frustrations and self destruction it can cause. That makes it more unsettling.
I don't remember that episode. That's really disturbing! And here I thought that the Alvin and the Chipmunks episode about them greiving the loss of their cat was dark!
Jesus Christ... must have missed that one
Bojack is just a masterpiece. I never thought that a cartoon can nail life better than any other tv show.
its alright not a masterpiece though
@@2TU74 ok your opinion
@@2TU74 I respect your opinion but you’re wrong and I hate you
@@ObamaMpreg im not wrong the show is a whiny and nihilistic bore
@@2TU74 it's not whiny, it's just bringing light to the fact that some people cant be saved, unlike most shows it shows life is nothing but things piling like up until you evaually die. The lesson is to enjoy life while you are still alive. Some people can't enjoy life because they are just fundamental bad but you can work on self improvement even tho bojack can't be saved from himself.
I am new to this show and this is what I took from it
I really enjoyed the outro. Stating 'it's gonna be okay' as insincere, but then following it with a sincere comment that can be felt inside was a very uplifting way to end such a dark episode. Your commentary is clearly well thought out, and your narration is very pleasant to listen to.
Being someone who struggles with Depression and Anxiety, especially in times of great stress like now, it's good to hear. Thank you, Strider
It felt a little offensive to those who say that with genuinely good intentions. We all want to believe things will be okay in the end, and sometimes a little optimism is what we need. That being said, I'm sure PhantomStrider meant to voice genuine care for the audience.
Homer's Enemy is my all time favourite Simpson's episode. It always comes off as a way of exploiting just how unplausible the life of Homer/his family is. Almost like a critique of the show. The idea for the episode was "A regular person who was forced to work with Homer" and how that would cause a regular person to lose their mind. A lazy, uneducated buffoon who goes to space, is friends with the President, and is somehow well-off at his job where he is in charge of everyone's safety despite being inept... gotta love that concept. That doesn't mean I don't appreciate your take on it. I can see how it comes off as mean-spirited, but I see that as a byproduct of the story they are telling. Good stuff as always!
Mine also. An absolute masterpiece.
I'm really sorry for Frank.
It was pretty oh wuts the word "Good"
Because it’s a great episode, this guy is just really soft. His worst South Park list I saw was really laughable.
Also I did like that American Dad showed that anorexia doesn't just effect woman.
yeah. i also think it's really dangerous that there's not a lot of attention for eating disorders in men. That could make it a lot harder for men to realize/admit they have anorexia
especially a straight, cis man. i’ve met a few in treatment before. their stories were often the saddest …
3:45- I always figured that "Homer's Enemy" was about the dangers of letting resentment and envy get the best of you.
It does make sense but poor Frank had to put up with so much and still had to that’s unfair you feel for the guy.
I saw it as just a meta take on Homer and the world of Springfield. The Simpsons gets it's humor from taking a sarcastic look at this country's problems and assigns a stereotype to every facet of American life. Your hobby, ethnicity, occupation, religion, or interests are kind of dumb when you look at it right. Comic Book Guy is not a collector of comics, he's a pretentious dork who doesn't realize how pathetic and mundane his personality is. Chief Wiggum is not a respectable officer of the law, he is an unqualified idiot who is too inept and dangerous to hold a gun or a badge. And bottom line: most of America is like this. For every good cop there are thousands of Chief Wiggums. For every down-to-earth sci-fi fan there are thousands of Comic Book Guys.
The immediate family is Matt Groening's way of holding up a mirror to the average American family. Homer is a lazy, uneducated functioning alcoholic and we've sort of taken this fact for granted for years now by the time this episode first aired. Frank Grimes is an average, real-life American who has been sucked into a cartoon world and is trying to make sense of Springfield, but most importantly, Homer Simpson. Homer shouldn't be able to make it as far as he has in life as the person he is. Everything about his character is put under and electron microscope because the viewers have sort of accepted that he's a humorous character and not a *caricature* of the average American. How does this man work at a nuclear plant being as stupid as he is? How can a selfish slob like him have such a wonderful wife? Why do people like him? If any of us met Homer in real life we'd ask the same thing. Eventually Frank believes that if Homer can continually make an ass of himself it must not be so wrong to join in. For the sake of comedy, he dies doing what Homer would do.
His funeral service is the funniest part of the episode. "Frank Grimes - or 'Grimey' as he liked to be called by friends..." is the ultimate insult to his life and legacy. And Homer dozes off at a funeral, making some oafish statement like "change the channel, Marge!" in his sleep to roaring laughter from all.
"That's our Homer!" It sure is Lenny. It sure is.
homer kills thanos with the infinity gauntlet with a doughnut
And the correct answer IS: Frank was a representation of the CRITICS of The Simpsons. Matt Groening fessed up years ago. Go back and watch the segment again, only now replace Frank with Critics. That's why Homer "doesnt seem to do anything to Frank" and is nice guy Homer.
It's also why The Simpsons BURIED Frank at the end. To put a final period on bad critics.
I actually lost a classmate to anorexia. R.I.P., Kylie. You will be missed.
Jennifer Ferlmann I have anorexia
Dwight Schrute South Park version get some help
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Time's Arrow really shook me up because I had a grandpa suffering from Dementia, Parkinson's, and PTSD before he passed away this September and it was even worse the second time I watched it because he had just passed on my second watch-through (which was just before Season 5 dropped)
I'm so sorry you, your grandpa, family, and everyone that knew him and respected him had to battle against these absolutely horrible and draining conditions. I hope hes in peace, and everyone that he held near and dear to his heart will be able to find some tranquility when they know that they are not the only ones that deeply miss him.
You should do a top 10 best spongebob episodes in honor of Stephen Hillenburg
Definitely :)
Band Geeks, the best cartoon episode of all time that time will never let it die.
I second this!
Heck yeah!!! :)
FUCK YEAH
As dark as its concept was, The American Dad After School Special was, at the same time, a VERY good episode. I genuinely believe everyone who likes American Dad SHOULD watch it, as it's as well-written as it is dark.
As someone who's dealt with eating disorders on my own I can say that it's extremely relatable and while a little bit exaggerated (as cartoons are) is grossly similar to my own thought processes when dealing with that time in life.
It reminds me of "you're getting old" from South Park. The best show of depression I've ever seen.
@powerstar 2028 why is that?
Hunny Dail he’s probably a Canadian who isn’t good humoured like me
Dude, this episode is pretty messed up...
Dude, Homer's Enemy is one of the best ever Simpson's episodes.
I'll makes u wonder is having a job n being dumb is a thing after "overqualified "
Simpsons suck
Lee McDonald lol
ibuki fan ok that’s your opinion
@Lee McDonald lmao
The censoring is gorgeous
I found it hilarious that Foxy's boobs were censored because of her nipples always showing through her blouse XD
It sucks
Agreed. The twilight sparkle censoring is hilarious!
lol thanks XD As much as I hate to censor unnecessarily, I didn't want this video flagged like worst anime was over one thing I missed. May as well make the self-censoring entertaining though :D
Agnesaugusta yea lol
Moral Orel truly was the cartoon that broke Adult Swim. It's a shame it was canceled, but it's hilarious that a channel that prides itself on "adult" "edgy" cartoons couldn't handle it.
As someone who is actively fighting anorexia, the american dad episode really hit hard when I first saw it. The moment they reveal his real body I had to pause the episode to go do something else for a while. It struck home and made me seriously question if we should keep the damn mirror in our hallway. Did not expect that from an american dad episode
The episode really stuck with me too. I've also struggled in the past with an eating disorder and it reached a peak around the time I happened to see this episode. And it reminded me just how much things like anorexia could dominate someone's life. So much of it still resonates with me today. I'm sorry for what you're going through amanda and if it's any consolation, it got much better for me over time. I'm still generally a very healthy eater but I can enjoy a treat now.
Unpopular Opinion:
I think "Auto Errotic Assimilation" is one of the best episodes of Rick and Morty because it has something NO other episode has AT ALL: It has an experience that 'breaks' Rick. He was always seen as emotionaly indestructible: His nihilistic point-of-view makes it easy for him to accept things that would put a lot of development on other characters: The death of a friend, a feeling of being unloved by everyone, betrayal by family, depression. But strangely, Rick always walked it all off as if he experienced it many times before. The most he does, is throw in a frown, AND THAT'S IT!!! He never showed any emotion about ANYTHING that's typically very difficult on normal people (it's part of the reason edgy fans worship him), but Unity leaving him for someone else? THAT hit him so hard he almost killed himself in dispair. And honestly, THAT IS KINDA REFRESHING!!!!
I personally feel as if Strider actually missed part of the message that I get/got from Rick and Morty in general as well as "Auto Erotic Assimilation". Not because I am 'smart' but because I generally look at the world in a pessimistic and nihilistic way.
@Brandon Roberts Like to me, I have always read the show as a statement on the fact that nihilism and a depression about your existence is unwarranted because the people in your life, as fucked up as they are, give you reason. I've never taken it as a 15-20 minute bashing over the head that you're not important...but the look into a man who had completely missed what really was important and was now having to catch up with the damage he's caused in his past. The 'Auto Erotic Assimilation' episode, to me, was an opening into the mindset of how Rick views the world...and him doubting what he believes in.
Agreed
I don't think it's unpopular opinion at all. And I completely agree 😁
Another part of that episode is the fact Rick's alcoholism is what saves him. If you notice he doesn't chicken out at the last moment, he passes out... until the next day.
I don’t particularly think that Rick in Rick and Morty is intended to be mature and insightful as most of the edgy fan base have come to believe. We aren’t supposed to see Rick as smart for his nihilism, we’re supposed to question it. That’s why we see him most often juxtaposed with Morty, who often finds the good in mundaneness. It’s almost akin to Squidward and Spongebob. I think comparing the series to Bojack is a little like comparing apples with oranges. They’re both fruit, but they have different flavors. I really like cartoons. Anyway, great list as usual!
Rick and morty had a few fucked up episodes, the two i remember the best are the episodes were morty got to lead an adventure and almost got raped by a jelly bean and spent the rest of the episode just trying to leave the adventure and not wanting to lead anymore (without context that must look retarded) and the one were morty found out rick wipes mortys memories to avoid the trauma they would cause.
Character foils
I love your take on that!
@@lexgalexy8627 Thank you!
Also, thanks for the heart, PhantomStrider!
I LOVE Moral Orel!!! I still think that it was the most well written, intelligent, insightful, & entertaining, Adult Swim shows ever!!! I grew up in & still reside in, a town that has more churches than businesses, so to me, Moral Orel is absolutely hilarious, & speaks to me personally.
3:43 I thought the message was, "A real person would be driven insane if they lived in the world of The Simpsons."
Spot on I think
As someone with OCD, that clip from Moral Orel was the single best representation of OCD I've ever seen. It captures the feeling of helplessness as you try to satisfy your compulsions to no avail. I'm doing better now since I just left a mental health facility, but at my worst I was barely able to leave my room in case I touched something.
god bless you both. i hope you live long, fullfilling, happy lives!
The episode was NOT about OCD. The constant motion of opening and closing the lock is supposed to represent sex, not OCD.
In the pixel Simpsons intro, Frank Grimes is seen as an angel, so he got a good ending after all
That’s genuinely sweet 😭
There was a "message" in "Homer's Enemy", sort of. The writer was trying to show what happened when you try to apply real-life rules to fantasy, and thus gave us a plot where a realistic character tries to deal with Homer, who was intentionally made more obnoxious than usual to make that statement. Unfortunately, the mistake they made was that Grimes isn't very "realistic" either, in that his life is just exaggerated misery after misery that only gets worse. As you saw, the results were not pretty. Some viewers saw Homer as a monster, and others saw Grimes as a big jerk, neither being the true intent.
And seeing as "Screams of Silence" made your list, the writer achieved his stated goal perfectly.
When Bojack realizes what she meant by "I see you" I freaking cried
That entire monologue episode at the funeral was absolutley top notch
24:17 it felt so sincere when you said that. oddly fitting bc i've been going through some shit lately... thank you PhantomStrider
At least Frank Grimes had a son
that tried to get revenge on Homer.
Yeah at least he didn't die a virgin so that's something.
The great louse detective (Season 14, episode 6) is the name of the episode if anyone's interested.
He happened to like hookers, ok.
As a kid i always thought that Frank somehow survived and came back to life
and was taken into police custody by policemen on stilts (also why does springfield has stilts with sirens on them)?
I don't feel like Rick and Morty's lessons are meant to be taken seriously (unlike a lot of the 12 year olds see it) and I think that the whole point of Ricks nihilism is to not act like him. When I see it like that, that's how I find my enjoyment out of the show. If you acknowledge the edginess and don't take it to heart, it's great.
I think that's an excellent perspective on it Bubby. Perhaps I'm the one taking the shows philosophy too seriously.
I have a niece who is eleven who treats it like it is: a dark comedy show. She seems more adjusted than the kids older than her.
Yeah, I've heard that it's supposed to show that Rick' s outlook is a bad thing in the end because the creators openly don't share it.
Khuel the Succubus Kisser your opinion is your own, but i personally treat the characters as stereotypes and nothing more, nothing less
@Khuel the Succubus Kisser You have issues man. Seriously....
when i saw the title, my first thought was “a bojack horseman episode is gonna be number 1”
The fact that Time's Arrow didn't even get nominated for an Emmy is an abomination.
The King Of The Hill episode is darker when you remember Trip comes back to reality upon getting electrocuted and everything that’s ever happened finally hits him right before he dies
I've heard theories that they really could've tried harder to save him - and them not makes it even darker.
Honey's scream in the fire is just so haunting. It's quiet, it echoes, you hear the agony and fear in it. It gives me chills
Howdy! Just a heads up that there's a few darker concepts discussed in this one. Thanks very much to my assistant writer Cosmodore in this one as well as my editors Timelord, FuturisticBagel and ToonGrin. Thanks very much to my Patrons for believing in me too. All the community helped make this video possible and I appreciate it. Look after.
I sometimes like dark concept episodes, they have the potential to become something amazing. Altough I would say some can get really depressing.
You consider Rick and Morty less mature than Bojack Horseman? Good news PhantomStrider, you're not alone.
Hey, I was pleasantly surprised to see you acknowledge Moral Orel, I've never seen anyone even acknowledge it who was in any way well-known. It's my favourite Adult cartoon ever by miles, so would you ever consider doing some kind of list or video on it?
You're my favorite top 10 youtuber
I'm still waiting your list of best italian and france cartoons, and also the list of the best and wierdest so bad and so good movies!
I gotta say this is one of your most smart and thought provoking videos yet. As someone with OCD, the moral Orel episode was a bit exaggerated but still very relatable. I do hope this list gets more views because it actually cheered me up a bit. :)
Reckno64 Such an underrated show.
@@thenumber1hero does it still air on adult swim?
I think the message of “Homer’s Enemy” was that you can’t get mad at lousy people for being more successful than you. That’s not their fault.
Phantomstrider i have ideas for you
Top 10 worst adult swim shows
Top 6 worst cartoons based on video games
Top 10 cruelest characters on cartoons
Top 10 best cartoon characters
Top 10 adult cartoons
kristian rikardsen no thanks
On the top 6 part. Then that legend of zelda show would be on there
I like the way you think, Carlos
Best cartoons based on video games, and the kirby show should be on that list
what about top 6 Christmas movies or top 10
My grandpa suffers from dementia and my dad shows signs from it and Bojack Horseman portrays how it feels incredibly accurate and I'm glad they handled the subject better than any family guy episode ever could
I'm sorry but you missed the point entirely of the moral orel episode "alone". Specifically the part involving orel's teacher Miss Sculptham. It is NOT about OCD. She was raped by the milk man/ice cream guy(i forget which), but she was so alone so ENJOYED IT. She's playing with the lock because it represents sex, going IN AND OUT over and over. The point was that she was alone, and the first human contact she had, however violent was satisfying to her. She wanted it to HAPPEN AGAIN. You even see her pleasure herself to the thought it of. I don't mean to be nitpicky but you gave the wrong impression to the episode when it is SOOOOO much deeper and more fucked up than that. For those of you who have never seen moral orel, all i can say is be prepared. You see hints in season 1 and about half of season 2. Its the last few episodes of season 2 and the entirety of season 3, that's when the show gets DARK. Really dark.
Thank you
Well yes and no. I dont think she necessarily wants it to happen again, because it shows that she feels really guilty about feeling pleasure from the experience of being r*ped.
the fuck?
💀💀💀💀
I'm more surprised and kinda happy that they gave Stan the eating disorder. I know it's just because it was the most comedic as making Francine or Haylee anorixic and then joking about would just be incredibly poor taste. But I also know that men and boys can have eating disorders as well so it was kind of nice to see a man be the one with a problem. I like that for the first half of the episode we see Stan getting fatter and fatter. We see what out of context looks like his family sabotaging him to teach him a lesson and come on like they wouldn't do that. But there's that incling that something is off with our preception and then we're shown what everyone else sees, that Stan is actually bone thin and pushing himself to the point of death. Even though it is played for some jokes they do actually show how serious eating disorders can get. I maintain that even in their darker and more shock value episodes American Dad is still 10x better than Family Guy and I feel it's because you know that the family does actually love each other. Even when they do cruel things (and not that I'm trying to justify disfigurement of bodies or mental abuse) you still feel that they love each other and that this is just the kind of people that they are. It helps that American Dad seems to be set in it's own completely insane world and that the other people in that world are just as unbalanced as the Smiths where as in Family Guy it's precived that the Griffins are in our world and completely hate each other the Smiths seem quite par for the course in theirs. I still really like American Dad it still can make me laugh. Anyways I keep repeating myself and you get the idea. Talk to you guys later and
Howdy Strider!
Absolutely. Well said. Stan's delusional state of his body 100% reflects what often happens with anorexia. I was going overtime but I really wanted to convey that at least a little in the review.
@@phantomstrider oh wow you actually responded to my comment! Thanks! I really like your videos and you remind me of my best friend.
I think what makes a lot the newer adult shows like Bojack Horseman and Rick and Morty more depthful is that they dark shows but not in the generic way Family Guy is. Family Guy is just a bunch of one note cartoon jerks being horrible people for shock value, while the latter shows look into characters that are horrible people, but still in human ways. Sometimes they don't even mean to be horrible, it's just in their system, some of the audience might even relate to such moments of selfishness, even if they are hopefully exaggerated from their own. They're very psychological and I think that's why people take to them while Family Guy and The Simpsons seem to be losing steam with each season.
I wouldn't call Rick & Morty's philosophy immature per se, although we all know from the copypasta the worse fans are. I do think it'd be nice if they acknowledged a more optimistic philosophy, perhaps to have someone challenge Rick's, but I wouldn't say it's _real_ shallow.
@kristian rikardsen oh god... 😂
@kristian rikardsen LMAO I FORGOT THAT EXISTED
@kristian rikardsen we don't mention that blasphemous show around here
I feel like Dr. Wong from the pickle rick episode kind of did challenge Rick's philosophy.
I have always been really impressed with the writing for the "American dad" one.
It isn't a perfect episode and the solution is a bit too quick at the end making it lose a bit of its message but the way it frames the family as the bad people in the beginning is honestly amazing.
We see through Stan's eyes the whole first part of the episode and are lead to believe that his family is the ones in the wrong. That they are just jealouse or just don't want to admit that being fat isn't healthy...then we get the actual view of what is going on and it is a done really well.
We see both sides of the coin but we start with Stan's so that we can put outself in his shoes and see what he is seeing and understand why he might believe his family is trying to trick him. It is so well done and is overall just a well executed episode
I'm glad someone is talking about Moral Orel
It's a very underrated gem that deserves more attention
Agreed :)
Yup
To be honest when I first saw "Homer's enemy" I was almost about to cry. It was so unfair
same
Never mind I just cried
Time's Arrow was terrifying. The end sequence where Hollyhock gets ripped away from Henrietta paralleled with Beatrice's doll getting burned was horrific. The way her mother approached from behind the flames was chilling
8:35 great video as always, but I think the show is more about how Rick sees everything as meaningless more than everything being meaningless. The universe is about 93 billion light years in diameter. You and me cannot possibly understand this number, but Rick is so smart and he has been around so much, he actually understands what it means. He truly understands how pointless it is beyond what any human could, so imagine what this would do to any human.
Tl;Dr the show Rick and Morty is more of a character study of Rick's nihilism than being about nihilism itself.
I believe that Rick and Morty follows the idea that through the chaos and hopelessness, life goes on. Even after Rick’s suicide attempt, life keeps going, and we see him again in the very next episode, alive and still going; killing some memory-infesting alien parasites. When Morty is sexually assaulted in Season 1 episode 5, we see that at the very same time, the meeseeks have begun a war at the Smith residence, trying to receive the sweet release of death, and while that is happening, Beth and Jerry are talking about that vacation that Beth wants to go on as they sip glasses of wine, and Summer is enjoying her newfound popularity most likely, with friends or a boyfriend. The point is that the world hasn’t stopped. As Morty is being assaulted, the meeseeks are trying to kill each other and themselves, and Jerry is struggling with his failing marriage, Rick is having the time of his life; gambling and singing “Sweet Home Alabama”, Summer is most likely happily chatting it up, and Beth is finally taking charge. Though it may feel like everything is falling apart, it’s not. You just have to keep going.
That clip that was used; with Morty saying “Nobody exists on purpose, nobody belongs anywhere, everyone’s gonna die. Come watch tv?” That clip perfectly represents this symbolism that we see. Some horrible shit has happened to Morty AND Summer. But they’re alive, so they might as well live. That “Come watch tv” is Morty inviting Summer to keep going, just like he says. Morty now knows things; things that made Rick a nihilist. But Morty doesn’t go about it like Rick (seems to). Hell, just the fact that neither of them have committed suicide with the knowledge that they posses is proof that neither are true nihilists with what they know. They both know that they’re worthless, along with all that they do. But they haven’t yet stopped living.
After the incident with the alien parasites, with Sleepy Gary and the others; especially with Jerry. With Jerry getting sexually assaulted. With Jerry achieving his dream and then getting it ripped away from him when it turns out that it was all a cheap simulation. With Rick being imprisoned. With Rick attempting suicide. With Rick’s perception of reality being mangled after learning a convincing simulation of his grandson was only a simulation (including his genitals). With Morty birthing his own dead body. With Morty being sexually assaulted. With Morty thinking that he had finally been appreciated by his grandfather (even if he was blacked out) and then it turning out that his grandfather wasn’t appreciating him, but instead a character that Rick didn’t remember the next morning, and then in the same episode seeing his heroes slowly killing each other and themselves. With Summer feeling ashamed of her body because she was dumped for a girl with bigger boobs. With Summer seeing her crush shattered in front of her. With Summer trying to escape from her emotions about her parents divorce by murdering half of a society in a post apocalyptic version of Earth. With Beth losing her mind when she can’t tell if she’s a fabricated clone that has to be killed by her own father or a real person. With Beth having to venture back to her childhood not-so-imaginary world to retrieve and, as it turns out, hurt her childhood friend in order to save an innocent man’s life. And with Beth having to lose her dear father multiple times in tragic ways only for him to randomly come back later.
All of these things are soul crushing, and could potentially drive your average person to suicide. But the Smith family is not made up of average people. I watched this show when I was going through suicidal thoughts. This was one of the things that helped me survive them. It beautifully portrays that message of continuing on through hopelessness. Not giving the perfect amount of fucks to keep going, but still caring about those around you. It’s a simple fact that none of us matter, and nor will anything that we ever do, but we can still watch tv. Nothing matters, but we can enjoy little things like interdimensional cable. It was a message that even I, in my darkest days, could agree with. It’s that “why not” attitude that kept me going. Those little hints of happiness. Rick and Morty tells us that even if every single sign is pointing to us having a worthless life, we should still keep going, just for that little bit of light.
I’m bad at summarizing, sorry about that. But hey, better to see this great show through a new lens, right?
You actually forgot that Futurama episode called "Jurassic Bark". Dang! That dog at the end really disappointed me whenever I saw him starving to death.
Friendship That wasn’t really dark, just sad.
That was sad. Not dark.
Friendship he didn’t starve to death the pizza people fed him.
that always felt manipulative to me. Its on my list of worst episodes.
Did he starve to death? I didn't realise. And yeah.. I actually took it off the list at the last minute because I felt it was more sad than dark.
10: Slasher (The Nutshack)
9: Homer's Enemy (The Simpsons)
8: After School Special (American Dad)
7: Auto Erotic Assimilation (Rick & Morty)
6: Screams of Silence (Family Guy)
5: Pigmalion (King of the Hill)
4: Alone (Moral Orel)
3: Coma (Mr Pickles)
2: Lost in the Parking Space (Drawn Together)
Castlevania (2017)
Rick Potion #9 (Rick and Morty)
EP 200/201 (South Park)
1: Time's Arrow (Bojack Horseman)
*You're Welcome*
But I like his commentary
no thank you I'll watch the video
"you're welcome" for what? You just typed out the list that he has in the video. If you added timestamps I'd at least see the point of this comment
add the time stamps?
Despite the mature, dark, controversial, and alien-like episodes we receive, the beautiful thing is that we can all come together and reconcile about these episodes.
Absolutely. Well said Peachii.
The power of cartoons is that they can be so funny, and then be so real, it can relate with kids and adults.
Whenever i look in a mirror i see myself as a fat guy, doctors say I'm underweight. My little sister pushes me to eat more than 2 meals a day
Renamon 565 I hope things get better for you! It’s important to remember that even if you’re not particularly happy with the way you look, you deserve to be happy and healthy xx
@@tabifiedler6944 thank you
Good luck bro, just remembrance to eat healthy not just junk food, try some of that hummus fruits and vegetables it’s awesome
I hope u get better
PISS OF GO TO THAPERY AND GET. ME PUNS
13:00-13:08 was so funny when PhantomStrider was saying no along with Hank until Hank came back and said, "Yes."
Holy crap, hi!!
@@kendrarasberry3078 Hi Kendra!
Close Your Mouth morty
n o g r a n p a
Come on, now. Don't wanna catch any flies!
*Close your eyes shut your mouth dream a dream and get us out*
250th like
SHUT THE HECK UP RICK
I think the list needs to be updated. Now we have the Bojack Horseman Episode "A View from half way down" 📽😐
To be honest most bojack episodes could probably take ip the whole list
a view from halfway down is beautiful but to me not as dark as bojack killing his loved ones
Really?! "The Showstopper" is totally the darkest episode ever. #LetMeIn
The showstopper, time's arrow, that's too much man, the view from halfway down etc etc
@@bradyward2177 Don't forget "Downer Ending."
About your speech on "Rick and Morty": Fun fact - Dan Harmon, the creator, actually agree with you. He also believes that nihilism is an unhealthy philosophy and a wrong way to look at life.
He even says it: "Do I agree with rick that nothing means anything? No I do not because the knowledge that nothing matters, while accurate, leads you nowhere… The further back you poll the more that truth will endure. But when you zoom in on earth, when you zoom into a family, when you zoom into a human brain and your childhood and experience you see all this things that matter…"
The quote is from this video. Start at 1:45: th-cam.com/video/de2grEPn7rg/w-d-xo.html
Also, there is a really good "The Big Picture" video about why the series itself is actually trying to be against nihilism, but I don't know if you even watch bob's recent videos, so I'll leave it there.
Keep up the good work, PhantomStrider.
I don't really like how nihilism is viewed as a bad thing. It's not nihilism that's a problem, it's the people who think that just because there's no reason to exist, means that they have to be miserable.
If we don't have a destiny, we can do whatever we want, and be whoever we want. If life had meaning, then it would be a dictatorship, we would have to follow life's rules and not have any choice.
Freedom doesn't exist to the extent of existing, but we still have as much as we need. Be happy that you don't need to follow life's rules, and enjoy life while you can.
The only reason I struggle to enjoy life is because I don't know how to control myself, I don't know how to be who I want to be, I don't even know who I am. I'm really just a very different person who wants to understand this world and why everything is how it is, nihilism is my theory.
Beautifully said Wolf. And thanks for the heads up about Dan Harmon, מר כץ. I had no idea
I always thought that pessimistic cosmic nihilism was the stupidest thing ever. Why wake up in a world where nothing matters to you? If nothing matters, why do you continue to work, play, and learn? You can't say that nothing matters and that every action means nothing while still participating in life. Why does Rick continue to invent things if nothing matters? Why doesn't he just lock himself in a room and wait for the end?
It's a contradictory philosophy that, regardless of whether it's true or not, should be avoided. If nothing matters, then lock yourself in a room and suffer. After all, it doesn't matter does it?
@@TheGloriousLobsterEmperor I've done work in philosophy. The notion of nihilism in any form is one I'm familiar with.
It's big sell is that it purports to be an accurate view of the world when looked at in full. There is no god, all the reasons we think of for living are in reality either just the ways we attempt to cope with the harsh reality that is our universal irrelevance or raw biology, and the most remote thing to mattering we can find is our own biological needs for pleasure. There's a reason nihilism is often juxtaposed with hedonism, which is subsequently the answer for why Rick continues to invent things, lest we forget that this is a man who's in all likelihood done every drug and made quite a few himself, done all the ways to party, and experienced all the pleasures of the universe in ways we can't even imagine, which is why he works, plays, and learns. It's little more than a feedback loop for someone like Rick, saying that's some sort of purpose would get you a sharp rebuttal of no, it's simply chemical reactions. (That is the basis of Rick's love potion after all. Side note, many people who get really into science get this sort of worldview naturally out of their absurd understanding of the universe compared to you and me.) I'm not going to tell anyone to read Nietzche or Shopenhauer (I think both are insufferable, but at least Shopenhauer's life is interesting in a few pages.), but ultimately pessimistic cosmic nihilism is a misnomer. It's straight cosmic nihilism, attributing a positive or negative to it misses the point that it only claims to be what is. It's not the nihilist's fault it's not pretty, but hell, if nothing matters, why not do things that get the old serotonin flowing? It's less depression and more just accepting Plato's Ring of Gyges for what it is, owning up to the fact we'd use the ring, and flagrantly enjoying it because there aren't any consequences to enjoying it. In a twisted sense, the Nihilist's point IS Strider's speech at 8:38, he just makes no bones about why and grounds it in the nothing as opposed to something.
The real problem of this cosmic nihilism is the inability to judge anything then. It's the abdication of any sort of moral compass that inevitably bears down on this worldview once something truly awful happens, and so we see the point of the episode featured here. Rick ruined something he could not deny mattered, and the soul crushing reality of this fact pushed him to suicide, one which, as one intelligent commenter pointed out, would have succeeded had Rick not passed out right as the machine was about to liquify his brain. This is the real reason why nihilism is unacceptable, if we want to step out of rhetorical positioning and footwork and actually strike with something of some substance against the conclusion itself instead of critiquing the procedure that got us there.
As for our advocate, @The Hooded Wolf, my charge to you is this. If nothing matters, which is the very base assumption of nihilism, consider this thought experiment.
There are two people alone on an island. They have been stranded there for decades, and have all but lost hope for a rescue, living off of coconuts and the flora on the island. One year, in a famine of sorts, one man kills the other for food, we can call it for cannibalism or in order to steal food from the other's larder. The man is never rescued, and dies alone of natural causes from old age. No one ever finds out what happened, both men's names are lost to time, no one is there besides the man to value it, and he never engages in self reflection about it. Who, in a nihilist context, can condemn or uphold what he has done without stating that life matters, be it the dead man or the one who did the killing?
This is the reason why nihilism is utterly untenable as a concept for someone like me that isn't the cosmic version I've spent denigrating earlier.
@@harleymitchelly5542 On your thought experiment: No one, as killing someone isn't inherently right or wrong. One could judge it based on personal values, however those are all they'd be; personal and utterly meaningless in the great scheme of things as they are not actually inherent to morality which itself is not inherent to objective reality.
like dat undertale music in the background tho, good taste chief
I feel like some one here skipped that warning at the beginning.
The fact there’s so many options for Bojack Horseman is terrifying and amazing at the same time
I hear Megalovania you sly sly fox
Do you feel your sins crawling on your back while watching this video
same lmao
I can feel sans at the back of the episode.
Don't watch to many dark cartoons or your gonna have a bad time
The King too little too late. I already had a lot of bad times. I have now know the horrors of the dark side
Regarding honorable mentions 200 & 201: Matt and Trey didn't back down. Comedy Central did. They were mad about it. 201 is the only episode that hasn't been released unedited officially. Though naturally someone 'hacked' it off their website.
I'm not sure they were mad. Trey and Matt actually said in the dvd commentary they respected how the execs were straight up with them and said they didn't want to get blown up.
@@personmcpersonstein3571 Ah. Not heard it: from a transcript of that and an nterview I was under the impression that that was said somewhat ironically, but without tone of voice it can be hard to say.
Was going to metion this myself when I heard what he said about 201. Glad someone else already pointed it out.
10: Needlessly violent does not equal dark.
9: I didn't know him until you showed me this, but I will never forget.
8: There we go. When we got to this episode, I knew this list would be depressing
7: Damn.. I didn't expect you to shell shock me like Avengers Infinity War did.
6: This has to be one of the worst episodes on this list. One of the worst I've ever seen.
5: This was a Halloween episode? I'd rather watch Creepshow 2.
4: I did not know this was so horrifying. I thought this was a satire..
3: Wierd Al was in Mr. Pickles? Hm. Maybe it's not as bad as I thought.
2: Oh hey, Morel Orel is back! Strange how this is one of the better episodes here.
HM1: This is awesome! I always was a fan of Castlevania.
HM2: Ah, one of my favorites.
HM3: For some reason censored Moh#### was funnier than if they didn't censor him.
1: Knew it was coming somewhere.
I made a statement it's somewhere around yours Check it out I think we are on the same page
homer could beat thanos just by eating a donut
Exactly
painhellemental 9000: LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Why are you here in this sad episode?
@@coldgal8476 to laugh at the people who are sad
painhellemental 9000 makes sense
Moral Orel is so compelling to me. Ive watched through the seasons multiple times and have always got the feeling my life somewhat paralleled Orel’s.
This video really made me realize that complex and hard-to-swallow morals like these, when treated with respect, can be beautiful and even helpful. Well done compilation, I understood everything despite not having watched most of these shows yet(being fairly young, and sticking to less mature cartoons and especially TH-cam channels for the most part).
Darkest adult cartoon episodes
*Happy megalomania plays in the background*
megalovania, lol, but megalovania isn't even a word, so who cares?
IM SO GLAD I WASNT THE ONLY ONE WHO NOTICED SANS 4 LIFE!!!
@@themindelectricdemo4 sans 4 ever*
All the Fangirls ruined sans for me now ;-;
Papyrus is where it’s at.
Elle & Tempolyn! Don’t let dumb fangirls ruin sans or any other characters for you, just try to remember that’s their stupid imagination and is not the real character
P.S and just to be safe never look up sans x listener ok 👌🥴
(It'll ruin your life 😰)
You know it’s a good day when Strider posts a new video!
Ikr 😄😄😄😄
He takes a long time for him to make vids
@@thisshowhasnothingyet5082 He always thoroughly researches the list before making one,plus he has things to do irl with track and field practices,so it could be that too :)
Not really
And Bojack horseman once again takes the cake and makes "the view form halfway down" totally crushing "time's arrow" as darkest episode
this entire video could have been filled with only bojack horseman episodes.
The episode where Morty gets sexually abused scarred me for life
Which one
the world's most awesome variety channel it was the meeseeks episode
@@varietyhub2948 it was the one where Morty decides what adventure they're going to make
The most disturbing part of Drawn Together I ever saw was where I think the gang was with some cops and they were observing this murder scene that was perpetrated by this little kid. He killed his entire family and then the last scene was him in the bathroom with his dead mother in the tub and he eats her organs and the says "now mommy will be inside me forever" and proceeds to commit suicide. That was the first time I was ever exposed to it and it's was super disturbing. Im honestly floored that got on tv.
I was expecting scary / thrilling things when I read the title, but it was the depressing kind of dark. Come to think of it.. somehow that does make it even more scary xD. Man, those were indeed some heavy episodes
Throughout most of this list I felt a heavy empathy with your narration, I think you already accomplished your mission. Good video Strider! Greetings from a rando on the internet ^^
Thank you kyoya. This list was very close to my heart.
Great to know! Hope the juggling is getting better :)
The “Frank Grimes” episode was actually one of the better “Simpsons” episodes before the series got mired in political clichés. You understand the point: some are born on a soft bed while others are on a bed of nails. Here one views the world as happenstance rather than meritocracy. This is actually philosophically profound.
Times Arrow is my all time favorite episode of BoJack Horseman
Honey’s lobotomy will always be the darkest moment in the show for me, I actually had to take a break for a hour after watching the episode to just reflect on what happened
The darkest episodes, are the one's you can relate to
Yeah
Just watching the excerpt of that Moral Orel episode gave me unpleasant flashbacks of my Anxiety Disorder. That woman fiddling with the locks, the other one with her stuffed animals. The writers know what it's like to live with such disorders feeling alone in the world and being at the mercy of a community that doesn't understand you.
Hoo boy, this video reminded me of my deep rooted fear I still haven't gotten over since I was little: factory conveyor belts. Sounds weird I know, but dude, all the near/implied/actual death and injury that took place on those in fiction scarred me for life as a kid and still really unsettles me. Just in general the thought of a character, hero or villain seeing their untimely end dead ahead of them with no power to escape as the conveyor leads them closer and closer to their doom just really gets me for some reason. But hey, really amazing video as always Strider, I could be having a bad day but then *ping!* a notification pops up that PhantomStrider has uploaded a new video and my day becomes that little bit better :)
Videogames gave me my fear of rope bridges
i have that fear too, it's terrifying the thought of being brought closer and closer to danger without your control. and the ways you could die are brutal. your not alone in that, night terrors about that.
Maybe that's why older films had the "tying people to the railroad" cliche. It's the same kind of being able to stare death in the face for a long time without any escape situation.
This top ten is consumed by DARKNESS !!!
Lightener don't give up hope. Our future is in your hands.
Plainpotatoess?
Morty: Um.. Rick...I..Eh I.. Really shouldn't be watching this....Its for Adults...
Rick: Well man up Morty!Your mature right? Buuurrbb...Blech....it'll grow some hair between your legs.
Nathaniel Foga I love Time's Arrow, it fucking hurt me so badly. My god. Bojack Horseman make me depressed, make me think over my life, make me hurt. I love this shows
If everyone’s heart was filled with light
"Darkest cartoon episodes"
**plays jazz megalovania in opening**
I love how your censors are of random screenshots of random movies and TV.
Howdy, Strider. I really appreciate the way you handled this list, especially the respect you treat your audience with. There's just one thing I wanted to say about your discussion of Rick and Morty, which is that I feel like you've changed the meaning of Morty's line by cutting it before the end, when he says "... come watch T.V." The idea is that it's BECAUSE nothing matters that we have to find joy where we can, which isn't that far off from your point about sticking together despite the awful things that can happen in this world. Other than that, I just want to thank you for being honest and genuine with your thoughts and feelings - it's one of the reasons I tune in for each new video!
That Simpsons episode always stick with me, the moral is "Even if you try your hardest you wont always come on top"
Homers Enemy is great. It shows people who work their hardest may not be as credited as people who don’t try as hard.
**Slowly passes this video to anyone who still argues that animation is strictly for kids**
Still not convinced? Watch _every. single. one of these episodes_ and get back to me on how you feel afterwards. Regardless of what you say, you'll be a new person after.
What about the people who say that who would be bored watching those episodes?
They should also see stuff like Heavy Metal, Fire and Ice, American Pop, Spawn TAS, Bojack Horseman, Wizards, Watership Down, Felidae, Plague Dogs, Fantastic Planet, Lightyears aka Gandahar, Aeon Flux the MTV series, The Maxx, DC animation, Ninja Scroll, Akira, Cowboy Bebop etc.
ShaddowSabbath The thing is that Family Guy is pretty much the Spongebob of adult cartoons. It’s just edgy and offensive humor for the sake of being offensive, rather than tackling modern issues and themes and portraying them in a realistic way such as with Rick and Morty and Bojack Horseman. Must be why plenty of teenagers like it.
I used to like it myself before the show’s quality went into the crapper.
I've been watching family guy since I was 5. Really didn't causes any problems for me growing up.
Those too Blaze!
Now I realized that in the King of the Hill episode, this was either the first or second time Michael Keaton voiced as a pig. Why second? Well, I watched a Ghibli film called "Proco Rosso", a film centered on planes, pirates, and the main character being a pig pilot.
Totally agree with the number one. My nan had electro shock therapy for post natal depression and like with Beatrice Horseman you can see how it's affected our whole family so this episode was very realistic and uncomfortable to watch but I now feel I have a better understanding of how it affects someone.
Never watched Bojack Horseman. Is it any good?
Holy shit its incredible, challenging but just amazingly written and conceptual... Its my favourite series that has come out in the last 5 years
Absolutely. You might get put off during the first half of season one though but it does get better and better after that
Best show OF ALL TIME
It's a little dark in places but it's amazing and well worth a watch it'll make you laugh and cry, currently watching it through again as I enjoyed it so much.
Its so good ah
man after time's arrow my boyfriend and i literally had to stop watching and just laid there and cried for an hour. it was an episode that was crafted with pinpoint precision to hit me hard too, as dementia is probably my greatest fear. it was devastating. it's probably my favorite episode of anything i have ever seen. it's just too powerful
I've been watching your content for about 3 years now, and I don't think I've ever expressed how good it is. Keep up the good work!
Oh, OCD hits me hard too. Sometimes I leave home and turn around just to double check whether or not I locked the back door or front door. It drives me nuts. And every time I leave my car I make sure I see the lights flash for a moment signaling it's locked when I press the button...
Another comment, but I also love how Morel Orel is getting more appreciation lately in 2022. It’s truly such an underrated cartoon and it deserved better by Adult Swim.
Rick and Morty's philosophy is not meant to be followed. It's a commentary of the nihilism this show is portraying and a reminder that this is not the kind of world we want to live in. In fact, the therapist at the end of 'Pickle Rick' and the most recent episode of Rick and Morty with Beth's decision is a complete 180 of how the rest of the show is, because it's trying to show you that Rick's line of thinking is wrong.
Thank you. I don't get how people can't see what R&M really is. They get wrapped up in so many fans thinking it's genius that they forget the show isn't trying to be an intelligent philosophical commentary, I guess.
I found Alone to be a very hard episode to watch. I found myself fighting tears about the whole time.
i just watched that earlier. holy hell was it disturbing and mature. how concepts like the ones in that episode could even be depicted in claymation is mind boggling.
Homer’s Enemy is one of the most loved episodes of the Simpsons ever
#9 is one of the more divisive episodes of the series, so I can understand both sides of the arguments.
This was interesting to watch. And very thought provoking.
Hard to believe that Duckman didn't even get a mention...
OwU? What's Duckman?
@@colleenpinto7530 What's DUCKMAN?!? Enjoy! th-cam.com/play/PLHSbAz1hu9sR0mg7WrJBSP4G1XppCzwqy.html
@@kenlieck7756 I just viewed the videos. I shall keep you in my prayers.
@@colleenpinto7530 Heh. Reminds me of when this one girl borrowed my VHS tapes and watched Duckman episodes for 24 hours straight while in bed with the flu. She went into a deep depression as a result...
@@kenlieck7756 Oh..wait, she WHAT?!
Pigmalion's original ending showed the bolt pistol threw trips head as he slowly moves towards the slicer as it fades to black