The Great Debate... - Best Way to Route Barn Door Guides???
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 14 ก.ค. 2024
- What is the best way to handle barn door guides??? Here are some of the ways it can be done and I share my favorite method for slotting barn doors.
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Whiteside 1/4" Spiral Upcut Bit - geni.us/Ov1OYfh (Amazon - Earns Commissions)
Makita Cordless Biscuit Joiner - geni.us/MKXN3 (Amazon - Earns Commissions)
Makita to Dewalt 20v Battery Adapter - amzn.to/3tkVtOb (Amazon - Earns Commissions)
Whiteside Slot Cutting Bit - geni.us/9jQbUB (Amazon - Earns Commissions)
Festool Edge Guide - geni.us/qZzVAXI (Amazon - Earns Commissions)
0:00 Intro to Slotting Barn Doors
0:32 Approach Depends on Tool You Have Available
1:32 Biscuit Joiner
7:58 Router with Slotting Cutter
10:32 Festool Router with Dual Edge Guides & Spiral Bit
11:58 My Favorite - Compact Router w/ Edge Guide & Spiral Bit
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Dewalt Cordless Compact Router - geni.us/Vgzdnd (Amazon - Earns Commissions)
Dewalt Compact Router Edge Guide - geni.us/625zh (Amazon - Earns Commissions)
Whiteside 1/4" Spiral Upcut Bit - geni.us/Ov1OYfh (Amazon - Earns Commissions)
Makita Cordless Biscuit Joiner - geni.us/MKXN3 (Amazon - Earns Commissions)
Makita to Dewalt 20v Battery Adapter - amzn.to/3tkVtOb (Amazon - Earns Commissions)
Whiteside Slot Cutting Bit - geni.us/9jQbUB (Amazon - Earns Commissions)
Festool Edge Guide - geni.us/qZzVAXI (Amazon - Earns Commissions)
I noticed you don’t have the festool Bluetooth hose remote.
Honestly it’s a big time saver and it also saves your back from keep having to bend down and turn on the vacuum.
This is exactly what I was looking for as I made 3 barn doors and didn't want to use the clunky wheel guide for the track. Wanted the cleaner approach and this was it! Thank you.
Well ain't that something... I was today years old when I realized they make a DeWALT to Makita battery adapter.
Spencer, as much as I enjoy watching your channel I can see how burn out can happen in anyones profession. Always keep in mind that your physical, mental & family health is far more important that making entertainment for the likes of me. You are to young to let stress become a constant thing you deal with for it will take the joy out of your job and life!, Mike
I wish I knew the right words to express the gratitude for the knowledge you share. I made a miter wing by ripping a closet door in half and can batch cut rooms of trim like never before. My GC went from saying "no don't do that we don't get paid for that" to "you're already done?" Without sacrificing quality. Bless your heart Mister Spencer, you're welcome aboard my pirate ship any day!
Yes, the palm router with a guide seems to be the best .........thanks for sharing !!
The festool would make the biggest impression on owner/builder ,though. It makes it look like it's a big deal !😉
You have helped me more then anyone in my last 20 plus yrs doing this! I've learned more from this guy! My work has just improved tremendously! And so has the pay. I never realized how many things I was taught were just were incorrect. And oddly enough I realized it's harder to do it the wrong way! Wish youtube was around 20 yrs ago!
On occasion I have replaced the plastic blade with a stud made from a drill bit shank. Select a drill bit that fits your slot nicely then drill a hole in the floor and resin the drill into the whole leaving the shank protruding high enough to engage with the door.
This is a very helpful explanation of issues for installing barn doors.
I'm going to do my homework and prepare for all your classroom lectures this semester!
Lmao the picture of you using the chainsaw in the preview had me dying
Never had the pleasure of installing this type of barn door setup, but whether I was doing one, or a hundred, I wouldn't be without that Dewault with the upcut bit and guide!
I did a couple of those doors recently and fumbled around with a big router and not an upturn bit…just bought the Milwaukee battery router and it came with an edge guide, and now have a few upcut bits. Thanks for showing us your methods, it helps a lot.
Another great video from a pro. I am glad I found another use of my biscuit joiner.
But the last router with 1/4 bit is the best: no extra drilling needed.
Thank you!
Great video
Like how you gave a few options on making the groove.
I have to say I use the biscuits jointer and run the groove all the way. I haven’t had a builder/homeowners say anything about the groove on the ends. As long as it is a nice crisp groove with no tear out.
Easy fix with painters tape
what great ideas I used a chain saw this past weekend wish I saw this video last week
@insidercarpentry We used the DeWalt Compact cordless router with edge guide and the Whiteside upcut bit using wall mount slot hardware to install the barn door floor hardware this weekend! Thanks to this video, and watching it MANY times, it went flawlessly!! After 18 months of the door swinging back and forth with no floor hardware I was able to make it look and work perfectly! We have LVP flooring, and avoiding installing hardware directly into the flooring was a priority, but was unsure of an alternative method until I found your video! This method also avoids high traffic trip obstacle since it is totally invisible and out of the way. We are SOO grateful for your expertise and taking the time to bring DIYers along successfully!! You are the BOMB!! Thanks again!! 👍😍
Router guide with spiral up cut bit is my go-to as well. Great to see some alternatives with pros and cons. Oh, and I made the brilliant mistake of through-cutting the track slot on my first custom barn door. It’s in my master bedroom and it taunts me every time I walk past it.
I really appreciate the way you explain your video. Very good 👍
I like that spiral bit option. A lot better than the skill saw option I went with on my only barn door install. lol
As always great content mate.. really enjoyed this and learnt so much thank you Spencer Till the next video mate 👍👍👍👍
That festool setup had me drooling 🤤
Well...... 12? Oh people, people, people. Thanks for the videos Spencer.
Tried the Dewalt dust attachment it works pretty good for that router
Excellent demo by a pro to not make my mistake 👍
I wish I would have watched this when you published it. I hung a barn door in March. I used a router with an upcut bit like your preferred method.
Agreed, trim router and edge guide. Thanks mam
Thank you for sharing!
The instructions for the last barn door track I installed actually read "Plow a 7mm groove in the bottom of the door using a chain saw". Unfortunately I'd left the stihl ms251 at home
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I use a T slot router bit and router as close to the end as I can. I’ve never had any problems with the guides I use from Amazon. Most guides don’t go that far on the outer edges anyways by the time you install a handle.
Great informative video as usual. If it were me dealing with the radius at the end of the biscuit joiner, I'd just run it out the end and fill in the slot with a piece of 1/4 scrap glued in and painted white. I'd have some premade and painted, so a dab of glue and I'm done. In your case 24 pieces for 12 doors. I'd also file a slight bevel on both edges of my base plate so as not to snag the surface or and protective tape.
Great content as alway man, happy new year 🍪
Learned a new word today @4:40 “Plungability” 😊
I've always used the drill first and chisel the points out first a few inches in and then used a couple passes with my 6.5 inch Makita circular saw because I always have those 2 tools on hand and I can rip a straight line without needing a jig or anything but never thought about using the biscuit joiner before. I might have to give that a try cause it has a tighter radius. Really need to get that cordless Makita tho since that's my primary battery platform. I've been using an old sears Craftsman corded one lol.
I used my Biscuit Joiner before for the same thing because I didn’t have anything else with me. I thought I was a genius for thinking of it. So we are either both Geniuses or I’m not as smart as I thought I was..😂
The 1/4" drill bit for the end is a good trick. Great Video!
A Multi-tool also works well to square out the end of the dado.
Can’t beat a sharp chisel I believe
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Had to do a barn door recently with a full length mirror, mfkr was so damn heavy. Yours might not have mirrors but 12 is a ton of barn doors, hats off to you XD
Wow I was gonna say when you showed the first 3 methods why not use a spiral up bit on the dewalt. I should buy that edge guide you have and the dust collector but was planning on getting a router table. Been getting by these past 2 days using a scrap piece of wood and quick clamps as a guide/fence. Been making dattos and rabbets with just the spiral up bit and the scrap wood with my router turned upside down. 2 clamps on the bottom to sandwich the battery with 2 2x4s to make a stable base.
Nice, thanks for the tips, I see you have a Makita to DeWalt battery adapter, also very cool
I totally smashed it with the skillsaw. Should have thrown the dato in it so I had fewer passes. More tools equals more tools. 🍻
Great video as usual. You put the cordless biscuit cutter in the description, but directs you to corded. Just letting you know
I made myself a sub base for my router using a 10mm bit if perspex then in base added some slots so I could add a fence I then can use router on its side and use a standard router bit and still be very accurate
Whiteside has various cutter widths that they offer for the same arbor that you have for the biscuit size cutter.
Like +Ed murrill, I vote the router, up-cut bit and fence. FYI, a vac accessory is available for that Dewalt portable router, giving you a dust-free cut w/o the cost of Festool ;9)
Great video ....maybe use your oscillating tool instead of drilling out the ends possibly. Assuming you have that with you (can't leave home without that tool haha)
Easiest way is too buy a door with the groove already on it... I just don’t like that sometimes they don’t leave a 1/4" worth of material on each edge of the door.
Great demo! I'd think it would only be a matter of time before the floor guide busted out the bottom edge of the door, unless you left 1/2" from the slot end to the outer edge. Kids slamming doors would bust that out in a heart beat!
The track stop is the stop. Not the floor guide.
Surprised the door didn't come already plowed out. I made my barn door and ran the bottom rail threw the table saw with a dado blade ,good thing I looked at the hardware first I never would have thought of it
I use my cordless circular saw.
What if you roughed the slot with the biscuit jointer and then finished it with the router in a single pass? The big slot cutter on the biscuit jointer should be pretty efficient at roughing that slot.
I think I'll give this a try but first I have to get the cobwebs off my biscuit joiner.
Spencer, as a subscriber to your channel, I am a big fan of your videos and have learned much from you especially this video as I am knee deep in barn door building and installing (my first). I saw a video you did on your Amazon channel for a 1/4” Whiteside compression flush trim bit. I could not find the model no. to order the one you recommended. Can you provide that?
I wanted the in depth chain saw method
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What do you think of using your Festool domino to square up the ends of the slot after your biscuit joiner?
Any idea on the manufacturer of these particular kerf cut style doors?
Slots!
you rock
Thanks for showing these different techniques - Very helpful. I’m wondering if there is an aluminum rail that would slot into that groove? I would think over time, especially with a compressed wood core you wood get bits of wood flaking off as it bangs into the guide. That being said, I am personally not a fan of barn doors as they never seem to close flush and leave a gap on either side. I’ve been in a couple of hotel rooms that for some strange reason they put these on the bathrooms leaving close to a half-inch opening between the door and wall when it was fully shut, meaning zero privacy! I guess they may do this for folks with mobility issues, but for me a big no.
Mobility issues aside, a sliding door allows more layout options in a smaller space. Barn doors are cheaper than pocket doors, since the wall doesn't have to be built twice and the pocket can't have any electrical or plumbing inside of it.
For a hotel room it would really depend on who you're sharing it with if privacy is an issue. A married couple or someone alone will likely leave any door open anyway, and so the pocket door is just there for the rare bigger family or guest.
Why not use a 1/8" chisel for the 2 ends?
Great content, but also love the chainsaw humor.
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My vote goes to the router, up-cut, and fence..
A wide fence board (the part that rides on the door face) makes it easier to hold square and push... (my fingers are stiff from age some days😀)
I confess that my dados are open on the end....making them blind is a neat detail. The majority of the barn doors I've done have been stained dark though, which camouflages the open end.
12 barn doors!...a lot for one house.....luckily for me, they have been less frequent in the last year or so.
Which brand adapters do you use for your batteries
My vote is the biscuit 🍪
I prefer the chainsaw and pickaxe
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Great video! How do you get your DeWalt battery to work on the Makita biscuit cutter?
He's using a battery adapter they sell them on Amazon for about 20 bucks
Where do I get one of those clear bases for the compact router?
I have no experience with one, but would a domino joiner work?
Why not just put hinges on the doors, and frame / jamb, so they shut flush with wall? I dont know its just the way we do it out here. Seems to work good.
I find that dumpster works best for barn doors. Great video though
Spencer pulled out the dewalt chain saw🤣
Do what I do, throw away those crappy plastic things and buy a wall mount roller style. So many reasons why. Cutting that slot is a PITA. You have to mount that plastic crap to the floor, what is you have carpet? I get the ones with the cylinder roller that is part of the wall mount and only has the ones roller on the bottom flange, this allows you to get the door closer to the wall whereas the ones with the two rollers on the bottom flange; the door has a larger space from the wall at the bottom.
Never even thought about using a biscuit joiner, I always use a 3/16 double flute bit with a trim router and a fence.....but this video has me wondering if the festool domino joiner would run down the door 🤔
Domino wouldn't work well because the bit is actually oscillating.
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I'm starstruck I can believe you replied 🤣🤣🤣
I love your content buddy, keep it coming. I was watching the stair mistake video last night on the Jon yelling "SCAB IT OUT, SCAB IT OUT!!" My girl thought I was talking to myself 🤣🤣🤣
Thanks for the guidance.
Q. What is the battery adapter you're using on the Makita to use DeWalt battery?
I am also interested^
The battery adapter is probably just a random dewalt to makita adapter off of amazon, there are a lot of different brands but they are all the same.
The domino would be pretty simple to setup and use as well but I wonder if it would be any good for sliding from 1 end to another. Great video!
I dont think the domino is the type of cutter that you'd wanna slide across a piece though. That could create some mean kickback. Atleast with a router your bit is solid.
Hello, thanks for the tips. Would you recommend the same technique as the biscuit cutter with a domino? I don't have a BC, but I do a Domino. Thanks!
Nope, that would not work with a domino.
@@InsiderCarpentry thanks for the response.
Where do you get your doors? I need a pair 26 wide and preferably prefinished white
Home Depot Lowes both sell door slabs as do most building supply shops.
Why not just use your1/8 Stanley bench chisel from your kit to shape the rounded slot to a square cut with a simple plunge cut followed by a back bevel clean out in the slot? Simplier, faster than cleaner than a drill.
I kept waiting to see the chain saw method...
Since the dado is blind, how do you install the metal guide dead center? I was thinking tape it to the bottom of the door when you install then drill it in? Better than trying to center it then hanging the door and hoping your measurements are dead on.
Thank you for the video!
I put the door on the track, let it hang freely so you can see plumb. I mark the center of the door on the floor. Take door off. Install guide. Put door back on.
Thank you for the installation tip!
Will the chainsaw method be a separate video?
It's delayed till he gets out of the emergency room! :)
How high off of the finished floor are you setting your barn doors?
About 1/2" if using a floor mounted guide.
How about using a router plain with a 1/4'' cutter to square those up?
Isn't there supposed to be a gap between door and floor? If you have 1/2inch gap between the 2, then you can route 1/2 inch deep on doors.
Be a mighty shame to install your doors and realize it drags on the guide because imperfections in framing/flooring
You should of called this The Great Rebate
I put the guides on the outsides of the door .
If you keep your slot closed at the end of the door, aren't you limiting the range of the door? It won't fully open or fully close because it will stop short on the guide.
If the door is wide enough it works fine.
Why not make a new base for your router, then screw a piece of wood to that base to act as a guide and then you can put a straight 1/4” or 5/16 inch straight bit and ride it along to create the slot and then you won’t have the radii of the router bit to drill and/or chisel out.
What's the trick for getting guide under door when you don't put the grove all the way end to end
Rick Hissen……. Yeah, I’ve hung a number of these doors and you have to run it out one end or the other if you want to ever remove the door without a massive amount of disassembly. And you always end up removing the door for a bunch of reasons, like painting, laying new flooring, or moving large furniture or appliances through the narrow doorway.
If you're installing it correctly you would just need to remove the track bumper guides from the top of the door and it will lift right off the track. Takes less than a minute.
Most of the barn doors I hang already has slot cut in them I've made a few doors myself and routers out all the way next time I'll do it this way I like not seeing slot
Aaand the chainsaw method????
You need to run the groove out at least one end of the door so that the door can be removed easily if needed without having to disassemble the entire hanger mechanism.
No you don’t. That looks ugly. Removing the door only requires removing the two plastic bumpers from the top of the door. Then it can be lifted right off the track.
They don't seal tops and bottoms of doors in the cold county? That definitely doesn't work here in Arizona those doors will be warped in a week solid core or not
These are interior doors, not exterior doors. No nee do seal
@@paulfrederiksen5639 every door interior and exterior are supposed to be sealed all 6 sides even hollow cores. Jeld Wen and Masonite won't even honor warranty if they're not sealed even cheap interior doors. It's stamped on the tops of the doors stating this
IMO that is just an out for the door manufatrurers to not have to warranty any of their doors. Keeps them from being blamed when someone leans them up against a wall for a month. In my market thousands of doors are installed a day and I guarantee none of the painters are painting the tops or bottoms... and the world keeps spinning. I've never found it to be an issue on paint grade doors. Hardwood doors are a different story.
@@InsiderCarpentry I agree but I'm in Arizona so my region as dry and hot as it here when the monsoons come (as little as that is) you'd be shocked by the amount of expansion and contraction of even hollow core interior doors. In 25 years of doing doors and trim here I cringe every time the rains come..keep up the good work happy new years to you and your family!!
Are you routing without safety glasses on?
I see the bottom of door isn't painted, chances are the top isn't either. Voids the door warranty.
Deffo the chainsaw
The best thing that you can do is talk your clients out of them. This is a fad that is going to be so dated that people will soon regret the mistake when they installed these doors.
If that's what they want to do.. look at it this way, job security
They've been popular for over a decade. I'd say that is much more than just a fad.
How do you not justify using the festool? The dust alone is justified….you are a professional and are breathing in all that dust everyday think long term man because with out your health life isn’t worth living.