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It's really great to see two honest people who can appreciate the different things in other peoples cars 👍
Yes, I definitely like the spirit of this video. A friendly comparison with the pros and cons, with the differences for different people: More sporty or more comfortable - lower and longer or higher and shorter - that depends on the personal taste and on the environment in which the cars are used: Wide open roads or tight cities with tight parking garages every day... and so on. And still the taste is different. Both cars can be used in both environments, of course. It's a matter or personal taste and personal priorities and emotions of course.
It's also really nice to see the id.3 in people's hands finally. The e-golf just doesn't have the range or charge speed to conveniently take trips. At 250 miles, 100kw, it becomes more of a charger question.
Sorry to spoil your cozy friendly conversation, but there is nothing, absolutely nothing honest about the comparison test, but a blatant attempt to legitimize an under performing . over priced contraption by VW for an exorbitant price car that should have a $25.000 price tag and not a cent more. to compare the two cars considering the widely different specification, performance, Safety, overall contents, and vastly superior convenience is not acceptable.
Really nice comparison. Tesla more efficient (better range), better software, more powerful, better forward visibility. VW quieter, higher seating position, better headlights, and better turning circle. Both have their individual merits.
Higher seating position is a NEGATIVE
@@nishhnishh1088 not if you’re short
Higher seating position is a big positive and reason why some people would not take Tesla in consideration 😉
What a surprise, a bloke from Manchester with a Tesla and a German blogger with an id3 brilliant, just brilliant!
Glad you like it
Thank you (both!) so much for this friendly comparison! That's the way it should be.
Great comparison guys. Honest I believe. Nice guy from Manchester.
Thank you, much appreciated
The fabric on the outer side of the buckle slot: It’s a carry over part of the “normal” combustion cars where the space is smaller and the fabric prevents noise plastic on plastic...
Interesting. Thanks
Germans and Brits hanging out on vacation. So nice...
Is it true that hobos are taking over California and there’s poo on the ground everywhere and apps to alert you of it?
@@TheSteinbitt No. Don't believe everything you hear on the Internet. In fact, don't believe *anything* you hear on the internet, unless it's from a reliable source. And no, tweets are not reliable sources.
coredumperror Damn, then I will never know if it’s true for certain.
Watching this in Northern Canada... Awesome vehicle discussion! Looking forward to seeing a VW ID3 in person... eventually! Cheers, you two!
A pleasant gentlemans review, I really enjoyed it! Thank you.
Seriously great video guys, fun, friendly and informative. Lovely for two EV lovers to talk openly and not be defensive and argumentative. Thank you
Just what I was looking for. Thank you for this video.
I like the clean, simple, and functional design of the Model 3, and the ID.3.
I think the Start button in the ID.3 is not required - it is there if you want to use it, you can - or not.
The ID.3 in D - probably does not have creep by default. It probably has adaptive creep - it gets some creep when you are in stop and go traffic, but it goes away again once you go above about 20MPH.
The Model 3 motor is *amazing* engineering. They used a magnet assembly that uses 4 magnets with their poles in different directions that *focus* the magnetic field to the one side, which makes it more efficient. This design is called a Halbach Array.
If the Model 3 was following the whole time - that is a HUGE advantage for it, having the lowered aero drag.
Good video format with nice chill attitude 🙂👍🏻
Love this! Thankyou both of you.
A real enjoyable video to watch! I like the honest opinion about the two cars from the two gentlemans!
Lovely video!
Great to see two people from the EV world being so fair to each other’s cars 😊
Great video thanks both of you ! Take care and safe travels
Great video, and funny how @thestraightpipes are shaping cars reviews industry xD
a refreshingly honest video from two EV drivers who share the same enthusiasm despite their different cars.
I do find the video a little irritating to watch in my eyes, the camera needs stabilisation .
Great video! Nice comparison of two awesome cars. 😀
New subscriber here, great video. I do understand a little German, but nice that your videos are in English.
Very nice review! Thank you guys!
fair comparison. EV lovers respect each other
Great video. You are both so friendly! :-)
Super to see real life experience and compare. Great!
Enjoyed viewing....great idea for a video...7k and counting!
Fantastic video, loved it, both cars are great 👍👍👍
A good honest review...this is what I was looking for...not a bias mainstream review
Good video guys, still waiting to drive ID3 myself to make same comparison.
Very nice. Both cars have their advantages, and it‘s personal preference. Nice fair comparison. My decision is the ID.3, because it will be used in the city, where things like turning radius are very important. And still it‘s a car for motorways as well, although a Tesla with better noise isolation seems to be superior.
dercapndirk
I agree, this is why more alternatives on the market is a good thing as it gives people more options to chose a car that suits a combination of budget/needs/wants that fits. Sadly, it gets lost a bit when so many articles and reviews about new EVs look at it form the angle of ‘is this a Tesla killer?’.
Super. It could have been nice with some spreadsheet comparisons when comparing data:-)
Nice collaboration, gents. 👍🏻
What a nice meeting , I envy you 😊
Very good to see this two cars!
It does dip. He is correct. TBL his headlights wear rising as he pulled away.
The iD.3's front windscreen size is perfect for the tropics, since you do not want too much sun hitting inside your car. Might not be aproblem in the upper lands, but many of us live in the lower land which means hotter.
ID.3 is not exactly getting sold in the tropics... Only getting sold in Europe for now.
Nice video guys 🤩🤩👏😀
Nice to see a comparison between the two cars I am considering for my next car.
It is not very scientific. We had fun though.
The Model 3 won of course ;-)
@@thelifeofbatteries2603 for me the model 3 lost in the first sentence "I hate the build quality" :)
@@thelifeofbatteries2603 When Tesla build cars in Germany it might!
@@ViktorGeorgiev They're getting better every day, i don't have any rattles though
For the slushy steering wheel above 160km/h you need to reduce tyre pressure down to 2.6bar vs the 2.9 recommended and 3.1 put by the service centers.
Very cool ! Thanks.
I really like this product. Modern looking from outside, pragmatic from inside. It's evident it was designed to lower the cost. They don't pretend to have a luxury EV, it's all about creating reasonable A to B machine for a reasonable price. I have heard you can buy the cheapest version for around 25k € in Germany (after all bonuses). That is really nice but I think there is still some space for discount. If they sell well they don't have to lower the price. We will see :)
Worth mentioning is that the cheapest Model 3 is €40k~ so it's 160% more expensive than the ID.3 which is quite the big difference!! Obviously different types of cars but still worth mentioning because tbh they're not really in the same segment :)
That 25k € ID.3 does not exist yet and it got a seriously smaller battery than the Model 3.
In the current situation the Model 3 is about equally priced to the ID.3 despite the fact that Tesla has to pay 10% import taxes on each car. When Tesla starts producing in Germany they get the chance to undercut VW prices. Still there is a big market for the ID.3 and ID.4 because there are many people in Germany that simply walk to their VW dealer and buy whatever car they sell them. Also the ID.3 is just enough more traditional that people that are a bit scared of new things will prefer it. doing a test drive with an ID.3 is much easier than a Tesla test drive. Helps a lot as well.
Great comparison! Those are the cars that I am most interested in. Let's see. Great one man!
We nearly got an ID3 but ended up going with the Model 3 due to the really poor public charging infrastructure here in the UK and superiority of Tesla supercharging network (cheaper, faster and all over). I love the look of the ID3 though and think it’s a great first effort (-and quiet!!). Great video.
I did the same, but the Model 3 has problems using some of the plentiful public infrastructure in Scotland. Thinking of swapping to an ID3 due to the difficulties charging the model 3
@@enyaq_gorm what's the issue it is having?
domhnall dods Apart from the Supercharger network I don’t see what problem you would have with the public charging network in a Model 3....it can use any charger out there I thought 🤔
@@MJB9559 non standard ccs implementation so it fails on apparently random basis on evolt chargers. There are no superchargers on my usual routes so I rely 100% on Evolt and occasional ABB chargers on the CPS or engenie networks. Used a supercharger twice and it was ok but not dramatically faster, about 55 to 60 kW
domhnall dods OK thanks for the info 👍
And by the way Chris best of luck tomorrow with the test, unfortunately I have my own test of 1372km driving from Chatel in France to warrington UK (just outside manchester) hope I can catch you for a hour or so in the morning. Be safe.
Cool, sounds like fun.
Some quick comments on some points made:
- The Model 3's wind noise mostly comes from bad door seals, getting third-party door deals drastically improves it! (This was fixed on the Model Y where they installed better seals and inserted foam into the A-pillars to dampen any sound)
- The 'wobble'/dead zone in the Model 3's steering is likely from the torque sensor used for Autopilot, or that would be my guess at least. :)
- The Model 3 does get pretty floaty past 120mph~ it seems, though it's not as bad with the Performance model; The Model S/X use air suspension, so the 3 is their first mass-market car with affordable suspension. A lot to be learnt for future models!
Can't deny that you sit on the floor in the Model 3 though, I've always owned performance cars and going to the Model 3 Performance felt great for me, but whenever I sit in my dad's Peugoet 308 it feels like I'm sat at a desk chair or something. 😅
Just different designs I suppose!
Model S had steel suspension too
@@seb. Oh really? I thought all Model S' were air suspension. :o
Was it things like the 75 that didn't have it? The cheapest ones?
@@VoxelLoop smart air suspension was an option until 2018 (iirc), so even 90D could be had with steel
@@seb. Oh, I had no idea, neat.
Adding additional door seals didn't make any difference in wind noise on my Model 3. They did slightly cut down on road noise, though (tire sound).
We're in the middle of a pandemic and you guys are sitting together in the same car without even masks on or the windows open!
Bjorn needed your help to get to some of the features of the id 3 he was testing . People on the live stream were no help
He was not that nice to the people either.
Raphael
To be honest, I don’t blame him. When you are driving you need precise instructions so you don’t need to take your attention from the road much. There were plenty of commenters who were not being particularly helpful, and if I’d have been in his position I would probably have been far ruder than he was.
Another fantastic video.
Can you charge these from home?
Forgive my ignorance but I'm considering buying one & don't fancy traveling to charge it.
Thanks again.
Yes of course, either slow charge from a normal socket or fast charge from a wallbox
Phil Taylor
Definitely. A regular 3-pin plug will obviously charge it fairly slowly (13 amps and 230 volts gets you a maximum charge speed of around 3kW), but you can get a wall box installed (there is a government grant for this in the UK as well) that will charge it at 7kW cutting down the time it takes considerably. And increasingly chargers are installed in both public and private car parks as well.
Wirklich guter und schneller Test.
Frameless windows cause more wind noises?
G'day gents : about the headrest on the ID.3 ... if you do not like the angle on some (caveat) you can flip the around & (at least) it's not forcing your head down or forward.
Good luck.
Hi, marcgrondin65,
What about the ladies? 😐
@@CaroAbebe You are totally right : in french the masculine takes precedent over the feminine sentence structures .. my bad (force of habit).
That was an awesome comparison test! Thank you so much! The id3 is really good, much better then i anticiped. I currently have a 2020 e-Golf & love it. We are going to buy a second ev next year to replace our Opel Insignia estate, so need more space than the e-Golf, it looks like the id3 does and is definitely a contender. I was thinking that i needed a Tesla M3 but just can't justify the extra cost. Incidentally i still prefer my e-Golf, which is an Executive model with plenty of exrras! Thanks again!
You do get much higher performance with the Model 3 vs. ID3. The cheapest Model 3 is a rocket and much faster than its specs claim.
ID3 - 0-60 in 7.3 seconds
SR+ - 0-60 in 5.1 seconds
For me it's all about the supercharger network, you can just jump in and go anywhere in Europe with no planning at all, i covered nearly 3000 miles on my trip and didn't have a single moment of range anxiety, superchargers all worked first time, everytime. Ionity are catching up but it will be a few years before they're everywhere.
@@JT-xq2hv I guess VW aims on different sectors, hence only 200HP on power. Shorter turning radius, shorter wheelbase and you can carry washing machine with it haha
VW dont use big regen on the freeway because it's better to sail or freewheel at higher speeds. Though they should add one pedal driving mode for low speed. It's amazing in town just doing it all with the single pedal.
this makes perfect sense, there is no need for heavy regen on the motorway (freeway), but is of great benefit around town. Some have steering wheel paddles to adjust the regen which is a sensible feature to enable drivers to adjust to their own preference, something that should be a feature in all EV's
0tispunkm3y3r
To be honest, I prefer having the option of heavier regen while driving with one pedal only on motorways too as you can modulate it quite easily.
But an option to use lighter regen while driving at higher speeds is something that could easily be enabled via software.
@@kardy12 effectively you could be "sailing" int he TEsla with the right accelerator position. The other option is going into N, but one should be aware that afaik Teslas do not record consumption while in N.
Nice video showing the ID3 and are face mask not required in Germany?
Not by law. Of course you can still wear them 😄 It's only required in supermarkets ect
Very nice way of reviewing the cars, I like it. It is a pity ID3 cannot tow, that seems to me the biggest difference between the two. Otherwise the ID3 can do the same things. It is little slower but no slouch either, comfort seems better and price is way better.
I think they want to create a differentiation with ID.4. ID.4 has excellent tow rate, seems from the spec and insideEVs coverage it has much higher tow rate than Model Y
Excellent comparison ! If you do a consumtion Test again, pls. don't use the value the Car shows as they can lie. If you start with 80%, as an example, Thema check afterwards how much kWh the charging station shows after charging to 80% again.
Exactly!
It wasn't very scientific, we were just having a bit of fun
@@thelifeofbatteries2603 yes, I could see the fun and friendlyness. That makes it a nice and honest video! Thank you!
...and we didn't have too much time. I had to work that day.
Charging losses will always mean energy usage reported by the car is less than energy delivered to recharge.
Excellent comparison, especially on the noise levels (wind and tyre) between the two cars! It seems the Tesla could do with more refinement there.
Tire noise depends on tires only...
Thank you. I think the most telling numbers are the car with the 260 kW motor is 12% more efficient than the one with the 150 kW motor. It speaks to Tesla’s vertically integrated manufacturing and design model. I bet there are lots of Bosch parts in the ID.3, and while good quality, they are not as well integrated or efficient as the equivalent Tesla systems. Still, the ID.3 is a good car.
It is not the motor. It is the shape of the car. So you have to decide between more comfortable seat position or low consumption.
@@BatteryLife I think it's the sum of many things including both aerodynamics and motor. Most EVs, including id.3 use a permanent magnet brushless motor. Model 3 SR+ uses an internal permanent magnet switched reluctance motor. I think Tesla is the only company using this type of EV motor. EV motor technology is advancing quickly. Lucid has apparently got a motor that's even better.
Nice to see this test ,i have also News we have test drive a id31st today and a lot of information @dealer and........next friday we can take HIM Home😀
Enjoy your car, it's very nice
Darren H thank you Darren, have a nice stay in Germany 🇩🇪 greetings from holland 🇱🇺
@@kittyvandeput8326 I'm back home now but thank you
I envy you. Must unfortunately wait for pure
Nice guy ;) very interesting ! So he liked the ID3 for some points ;)
He prefers his M3 and that is ok.
Can you please tell us what functionality can be performed remotely ? Can you set the AC ? Any remote management of charging ?
Right now the App is basic. SOC, Range, start stop charging, preconditiong, time to charge to charge limit, charge limit, reduced chargepower setting.
I feel more torn than ever! I know that the Model 3 is too loud inside for me, but just as the Model 3 owner in the video I love the tech stuff and minimalism inside the Model 3.
Then go for it. M3,is awesome.
Battery Life I‘m still waiting for battery day and my TSLA shares to rise even more. :)
@@BatteryLife In the meantime I took another test drive with a Model 3 at Tesla and this particular Model 3 SR+ in red was quiet inside, efficient with a low consumption and was just missing the hatch.
The cheapest Tesla Model 3 SR+ costs $38K in the US and $60K in Denmark. The cheapest VW ID.3 (Life) costs $51.7K in Denmark. Cars in Denmark are very expensive, especially ICE cars!). I am actually waiting for the Tesla Model Y from Giga Berlin, I hope my current car can handle a couple of more years.
Cheapest tesla is $35k in US (SR model)
That's crazy, I feel sorry for all Europeans!
@@teslascoop2177 Incl. VAT?
@@Flex2212 The prices in Denmark are always including vat and it is always 25%.
@@Flex2212 We don't have VAT, but some states have sales tax like 7%
Drove the ID.3 for the first time yesterday and I'm in love!! Still prefer my i3 tho because it's punchier but wow VW really killed it with their first all-electric car
Wich one was better? Do you like your id3 or want modell 3 more?
Great 👌 thanks
Great video! Thank you.
I have a model 3 long range duel motor but would buy an ID3 in January if available in USA.
Why?
Then you 100% don't have a model 3 dueel motor
@@eugeneputin1858 Still have it, bought a KIA Niro EV to go with it last month
Martialman.45 Congrats. That's a great car.
@@eugeneputin1858 Thanks, would have bought another Tesla if tax credit was still in place and they improve their poor service. Still would have went with VW if they were for sale already.
I can't really express how much I loved this video. Indeed, it's very easy to hate on Tesla and forget we're all on the same side. Thanks mate for reminding me we shouldn't let one or two Tesla idiots ruin the party for the rest of us. Go EVs. Thank you Darren, thank you Chris
Well said!
i find this comment extremely confusing. why would anyone hate Tesla? did i miss some sort of controversy?
tom duke People like to hate them because they do things differently, they are just an “iPad on wheels”, panel gaps, “bad build quality”, terrible interior, and don’t know what else. Even though my German designed and built i3 is probably worse than the said Teslas.
Thank you Ricardo, much appreciated. We're all in it together.
@@DarcersTech so just people beeing people then. thnx for taking the time. :)
Good video, nice to see two people just chatting and comparing what they like and don’t like about the cars without fanboyism.
And I think that’s very important, because this fanboy mentality that only their favoured car is any good (or the equally unattractive mentality that everything one particular brand does is crap) puts normal people off at a time when we need to encourage people to transition to EVs. There is plenty of space on the market for several EV manufacturers to grab market share from fossil fuel cars.
I’m not a fan of trying to make EVs feel like fossil fuel cars and mix regen and friction breaking with the break pedal, though I can understand some of it... Much prefer one-pedal driving on an EV. Perhaps VW could enable one-pedal driving via a software update.
Great to see legacy companies are trying to catch on EV market. This will keep the competition healthy. If not then China might overtake everyone. On the same time we can’t deny that Tesla is the leading company on EV. They are the leader in this field. Tesla had open our eyes on EV capacities, range and power. On the same time they are thinking outside the box is making it unique among other. This why most likely it would be my 1st choice.
they are the leader but the ID4 is a serious threat to the model Y in terms of price, quality and range
2 great cars. One more sporty and one more comfortably
Does it come with dead locking?
speedo en gps speed on Model 3 is spot on the same
Is this a model 3 with double layer glass?
Can you put a lonk for the electric power frunk and trunk kit?
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Very nice!! What's the real range of both models? 😀
Volkswagen 215 miles, Tesla model 3, 325 miles. In 3 months Tesla Model 3 with the new battery technology will have 490 miles range.
@@peterp4753 Model 3 SR+ is around 230 miles
@@thelifeofbatteries2603
Only in Europe!
B equals very strong regen 😂 barely noticable regen I would say.
I dcant hear what you say, can you turn off the e-sound?
I'm considering one of the 2 to replace my 2017 Jetta in 5 years from now.
Perich29 in 5 years, you will have many other great choices
@@michaelenglev9751 and probably a facelift of model3 and id3
Set the steering to sport, it gets more firm.
i did
Turn on AUTO HOLD to „not creep“. AUTO HOLD can be configured in the „top down“ menu in the infotainment screen. :-)
I know
Very good test of both cars, congrats to ID3 :-) from M3 driver
The essantials on point!
Great team!
So, what's your final verdict? Are you happier with your ID.3 compared to if you had the Model 3 instead?
Yes, but that is my personal view
The Polestar 2 would have been interesting in this comparison as well.
Also, I know he says the build quality on the Model 3 is not very good, but the materials on the ID3 look REALLY cheap compared to the Tesla. I guess the question is how long the cars will remain rattle and squeak free.
Good Question, I’m 6 months in and no rattles yet
Polestar won't give me a car.
@@BatteryLife you might want to take down the Id4 video before retrying 😉
maybe they're scared for their paint job
ID 3 materials are "Cheap" but better build quality. Hard plastic can have longer longevity.
It's plastic but some says the plastic are not flexing (definitely not El Cheapo plastic) and has better fittings. ID.4 and Enyaq will have more leather/polyurethane
Firstly - thanks for all your videos Chris - they're really helpful!
The only thing these cars really have in common is that they're both EVs. They're different cars aimed at different users with a huge disparity in cost. I've ordered a new id3 - it cost me £26k in the UK. The cheapest new Model 3 I could buy was over £40k. Nothing against the Model 3 - it's just not in my budget and not well suited to me as a family nip-about-town car.
You wouldn't make direct comparison for ICE cars that are so different - it's like lining a basic Golf up against an A6 and being surprised that the latter is bigger/faster/more tech?
In Germany they are now the same price.
@@BatteryLife Wow - really? How much?
Id.3 58kWh Business 43k
Model 3 SR+ 41k
Nice Volkswagon, very nice. Best ID3 comparison vid so far congrats
Things i don't like about my model 3 performance: If it's raining, when you open the boot/trunk all the water runs off the rear window and into the boot. A ridiculous design flaw that should never have left the drawing board. What else? err.. The fact that the vicious acceleration is over so quickly if you tend to stick to the speed limit.
NotPoodle you must have a very early Model 3, because I never had that problem with the trunk.
That was fixed on later variants.
Very nice, but who beat to 80% and I didn't catch the kw/100km.
All in there.
Man sollte mal ein Treffen zwischen einem ID3 und einem Phaeton machen.
Motoring future - spending time on charging stations! 😂
They didn't admit what they hate most is spending this ridiculous amount of time at fixed dead boring stonage-slow charging stations. They never will. The 2K Euro Lada driver spends his break at golf club restaurant or besides some scenery lake view 😄.
What about the suspencion? Is the id3 comfier?
Yes. Model 3 is aimed at being more sporty
more comfortable suspension and better seating ... we sold our Tesla due to a lot of technical issues that were not fixed at appointments. 200 km to service center in West Germany is inacceptable.
@@typxxilps better seating? wow that was unexpected, please expand on your experience
That was great!
The Volkswagen ID 3 will look old when the Koreans hit the market in 2021. The Korean electric vehicles have a range of up to 500 km and offer ultra-fast direct current charging in less than 20 minutes. If the upcoming Hyundai 45 BEV has something to offer, expect a battery supplied by SK Innovation in the 75-100 kWh bracket, paired with a powerful dual-motor setup.
I think so too, but we don't know much about the Ioniq 5 yet. 800V system is not the most important in a car.
Hyundai 45 is a serious competitor for the ID.3 as the ID.3 for the Hyundai 45. But I think think the design of the Hyundai is a bit more polarizing which is a threat. I think Tesla at battery day will tell more about upcoming battery- and charging technology.
I was at Hyundai yesterday to test drive an electric car. They did not have any, did not want to sell any and said "people only want gas cars"
@@martialman.4563 ... you cannot currently buy a Volkswagen ID 3 either!
The Ioniq 5 will be the first model in this electric car family to hit the market in 2021.
drivetribe.com/p/hot-looks-2021-hyundai-45-specs-V7Oyhh2OQtqdTQ11DvGCGw?iid=KjMQEKh-S8m7BPh2JR_rxA
@@BatteryLife In contrast to most other electric cars, the battery works with a voltage of 800 volts, not 400 volts. Porsche mentions the advantages of 800 volt technology:
thinner cables
fast loading
high long-term performance
less weight
small installation space
We considered ID3 and had a reservation, but ended up with Model 3 SR+ in the end. We liked much about the ID3, but no rerar view cam on base model and unattractive colors on ST1 + no roof rack and no tow hitch for trailer was the things that made us go SR+ in the end. Miss the heat pump and larger trunk opening on the ID3 though. Space inside cabin was quite similar. Performance was not important for us.
Does the Id3 come with dead locks?
What is a dead lock?
@@BatteryLife Where you press the key twice to double lock the doors for security.
A 2020 with only 8000 km?
1:42 Not the built quality 😩
1:48 A service recall 🙈
I thknk he was a bit harsh with the M3. It is just one thing and it will be fixed fast.
2019 Skoda Superb, faulty sensor at 3000 Km with going into limp mode on the motorway.
Power Lift?? How can I get it?
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I find it funny to see VW making electric cars now when not too long ago they made diesel cars with promises of better MPG and being better for the environment but they turned out polluting the environment even more.
So true!
VW still has some catching up to do. PSA (Peugeot etc.) is on a roll also so it won’t be easy for VW. You also can’t be too soon with these EVs because the buyers have to be there to make any sense of producing them. It might be a tad too soon still now? The manufacturer that enters the markets at the right time will make the most bucks, as always.