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Dark Elves In Depth Guide! TW3 Immortal Empires
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 18 ส.ค. 2024
- An In-Depth guide to the Dark Elves including how to play, economy, technology, starting locations and lords! Made to try to help people skip 40+ hours of learning!
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0:00 Intro
1:10 Faction Concepts/How They play
11:03 Units
40:39 Technology
49:21 Malekith Start
1:07:10 Economy
1:11:57 Morathi Start
1:29:13 Hellebron Start
1:44:00 Malus Start
2:03:09 Rakath Start
2:13:16 Lokhir Start
So apparently Lokhir is missing from the end of the video. No clue why since he is in the original file on my computer, but YT isnt taking that part of the edited video for some reason. If people want I can do a short separate video with his start.
But basically he is all about using black arks to build and support his army. Once you conquer your starting area move south and finish off the vampire counts there. Then go northward and finish off clan eshin and the dragon lady. At which point you can either continue to conquer Cathay or just sail away from the sea route to the south of your start and go invade Lustria.
Please post a guide. Also it looks like The black ark replenishment is broken.
Would love to see the Lokhir Guide, he’s been quite difficult for me :D
Thanks for this! Piracy is fun but I've found him difficult to use. What would you say is the best way to spec him? Is it better to try to colonize the whole coastline and sack or raze everything inland?
I keep running into financial issues while struggling to juggle all the enemies to the south - eshin, the orcs, the counts all at once is a bit tough early on.
Also do you recommend making black arks immediately for the long term growth head start or should you just stick with the one until midgame? Is it better to focus on black arks as your military recruitment centers and turn bases you keep into purely economic centers, or is it more important to use them for utility until they're able to make hydras/etc?
Sorry for the flood of questions! Lokhir is the coolest dark elf design and black arks are my favorite dark elf mechanic but I feel like I'm using them wrong LMAO
@@andrewstorrie3707 at some point I'll have to redo the guide and I'll make sure to add him
@@jamesk2325 getting several running early is good especially since they are immortal. Try to only use one in battle while the rest merely level up. You want to colonize if you can but not if you are going to lose the settlement later. Get plenty of slaves and that should help with the income issues
Fantastic guide. All your guides have been amazing. Your channel should be a LOT bigger than it is, because this is one of the best Warhammer 3 channels out there. Maybe enable both likes/dislikes so the algorithm can pick up your videos more quickly. I lucked out finding you!
Likes and dislikes should be enabled? Also thanks. *Edit Apparently my settings changed this month, Thanks for mentioning it!
I love your guides. They are very helpful to learning new factions I haven't played before.
Glad you like them!
Been watching mostly all of your guides. I really enjoy Warhammer as a whole, and especially fantasy! Your guides are awesome and I really hope you keep making content towards tw:wh3. Keep up the great work and know your work is appreciated!
Glad to hear it! I'll do more stuff as it comes out! Did a series already but going to do another this coming week!
I had fun with Lokir by stabilizing Cathay then sending the worlds greatest armada using the sea lanes mechanic to absolutely screw over Mazdamundi.
That poor lizard, terrible start then pirates...
His rites are insane. The one that gives Black arth growth +10 for ten turns is ridiculously powerful.
Wish there was a more elite Corsair unit but it is what it is.
Yeah they cant carry to late game sadly
@@gunneratijuf8915This is what I want!!! I don't want my army to turn into a typical late game army comp.
Maybe I'm missing it, so I'm sorry if i missed them, but i was wondering if you covered the specific units to each Lord, cause i want to learn as much as possible, still pretty new to WH. You're one of the very few creators i love watching for in depth guides, thank you for all your hard work and time 🙏
All the lords get almost all the same units, Morathi gets a few extra (slannesh ones). so I didnt specifically go over the units for each lord. Basically look at the lords skill tree and if they have a buffs of that type of unit (outside of the normal red line) thats usually units you want to use for that lord but late game most armies look the same.
I appreciate all of your faction guides, watched the entirety of this one waiting to see Lokhir, lolol. I read your short description, but I would appreciate seeing the short version that YT didn't include if you ever have free time tk upload it
I would have to refilm that, the footage won't upload
No worries then
I'm new to the game so this is wonderful. So much information
Glad to help!
Thanks for this vid man. I'm still relatively new to warhammer and really liked the dark elf aesthetic
Glad to help, they are interesting if rather sadistic
I've been waiting for this
Thanks!
Np. hope it helps
Personally, I like Malekith's lord trait. It makes for better and more stabile early economy(cost reduction to buildings, not recruitment, and more control) and also allows for easier conquest in new regions(enemy routes faster, so battles are won faster, looting and occupying the settlement for replenishment, gold and slaves, then quickly rebuilding it is very effective).
Basically, "tear it down and build it stronger".
Also, for red line skills. I have begun(for most factions in fact) to only invest 2 points, but instead pick 3 categories. For instance, 2 points into Linebreaker gives a +4 to MA and MD for a lot of your infantry(including Dark Shards and Corsairs), 2 points in Sheafmaster gives you +12% to ammo and I think +6% to reload times, then 2 points into Slaughterlord(or a different specialization) to give some buffs to your elite infantry(again, a +4/+4 to MA/MD).
That 2nd point usually adds an entire new benefit(for example, from just +4 MA to +4 MA and MD), while the 3rd point only slightly increases both values.
This allows you a more diverse army, while still getting great value for your skill points.
Yep just make sure to take blue line traits first, they are much better for starting points!
@@LordForwind Of course. Extra captured enemies all the way.
Lokir got cut off! Shame cuz I was really interested in that one! Love these videos and the work you put into them!
Sorry! See the pinned comment.
Are these guides still applicable 1yr on? We’ve had a few major updates since.
Many thanks. I do love the videos you do but, it’s the nature of the beast that they go out of date at some point.
Yep they should mostly be relevant, if anything slaves are easier to get now!
@@LordForwind thanks for the reply. Much appreciated! :)
I would say so I just found these I'm mid Rakarth and his perspectives seem relevant.
for those interested: if you play any of their campaigns you can save the black ark lords to your saved character pool and get them in any other DE campaigns without doing any rite/occupying major port, it's pretty OP. Their buildings will be reset, but their level/skill remains (lower level are cheaper to recruit), and if they had a name of power already, they will get another one which is a pretty funny bug. if you want to build a pool, Lohkir is the best choice for a first campaign, as it's very easy to get a bunch of them by just going around and occupying ports as opposed to doing rites
That's funny
I have scoured the internet, and I just can't seem to find a dark elf unit tier ranking from TW3. I can find a million different videos on unit rankings from previous games, but I can tell by the way I'm losing very easy battles that something massive has changed about the DE battle mechanics, and I just can't figure out where I'm going wrong. Does anyone know what I'm missing?
Higher tier units are super important in TW3, tier 1-3 are mostly useless after turn 30-50. Also it depends on who you are losing to, Chaos Warrior factions are really tough early game and you need 2 armies to equal one of theirs sometimes.
@@LordForwind Yeah so I'm fielding 8 black guard, 8 shades (great swords), 2 hydras, 1 dragon, and whoever my lord is. I find that DE cav is a waste of time. Am I missing something crucial? I seem to lose battles that the AI can easily win. I used to WRECK everything in TW2 and now I'm nerfed into the ground. I play Malekith btw
@@tylergeiger2012 DE cav is really bad except for doomfire warlocks. Try bringing some more heroes and magic users
@@LordForwind Thanks so much for the advice. If you ever want to make a battle rescue video, let me know. I'd be happy to send you a save file.
@@tylergeiger2012 im not that amazing at commanding battles, im solid on defense but bad at offense
With 5.0 will you be updating a lot of these videos?
thats the plan especially the empire, dwarves, nurgle and stuff! I also need to do the new cathay and lokhir!
@@LordForwind woohoo!!!
@@christopherwhaley5655 woohoo!
Thank you!!
Glad to help
Hey man, great content, love the channel!
Have you thought about chopping these videos up? Don’t get me wrong, I love the long style format and I think you should continue to produce them as you do. But you could start chopping these up into 10-video playlists with little effort and get a ton more hits (plus that ad $).
Just a thought man - you’re guides are so information rich that it’s a shame more ppl don’t see them. I absolutely love your guides!
I have thought about it a lot but two things held me back, it seemed like people might not want to search though several videos to find what they were looking for, and the only things I could do separately would be the different leaders.
Basically all elves are kinda the same. You hope your melee can hold just long enough for your ranged, monsters, and magic to win the battle.
Similar but the dark to high have differences and the wood elves are very different.
Great Guide.
Did you miss the Bloodwrack Medusa unit?
I didn't see, it beside the Sorceress's> My bad, I see you mentioned it at the end of Malus section.
No problem!
Hey bro,What is the unique resource for dark elves in the "Total War" series? It affects population growth, settlements' loyalty, army strength and much more
You got slaves for the dark elves, with various interactions with them depending on the subfaction.
@@LordForwind Tysm bro
Do you keep all the chaos endgame events ticked?
Yep I like the craziness
Malekeith is my favourite. XD But jokes aside I have to say as a long time Dark elf player everyone always stresses out over loyalty but it's rarely ever a problem as long as you give your lords equipment, units and keep aggressively winning battles. I tend to not even really think about it, also a note on Murderous mastery it's not just your units that cause it to build, also their deaths.... some interesting takes on units. Personally I think Shades are one of the best units in the whole game , and I honestly think the scourgerunner is still better than the cold one chariot, purely because of the speed. I'd also rather use Doomfire warlocks than any other calvary, just don't think cold ones are that good, again due to speed and rampage is a horrible ability. Fire sorceress is good against low armor factions, and you don't care about calvary because your shades shred anything that comes especially if you have another unit to intercept them.
Yeah honestly loyalty should be made a bit harder to deal with. Doomfires are fun to use and the only reason I would take the shielded crossbows over the shades is for anti-ranged advantage like against high elves.
Cold One Knights no longer rampage, primal instincts instead buffs their stats.
Isn't there upgrade to shades that makes them have the longest range archer unit only beaten by artileries?
@@g4jira1 darkshards are still honestly better, cheaper and almost just as good, allowing you to spend the budge on monster units and stuff.
I see this a lot but its actually Cavalry, which is why people often abbreviate it "Cav"
Dark Elves being called High Elves multiple times in this video made Malekith very angry.
yeah and you didnt even get to see the stuff I cut out and redid, it was really painful.
Do you control the blood voyage? I got confused when you said they attack high elves....is that where it starts?
The blood voyage heads straight towards the high elves island. If you interact with them through diplomacy you might be able to retarget them.
@@LordForwind o ok....I wasn't sure
what generic lord do you chose? the dreadlords with shield or caster?
Melee usually, dark Elves have good caster heroes so melee lords are good choices
The one you dont show is the one im confused on lol. Having clan eshen alies settles Cathy, your supposed to go fight the high elves so were do you go? Your traveling to the other side of the world lol.
You can take the sea lanes around the world
Aww you forgot about Lokir Fellheart.
? he's at the end?
@@LordForwind its his brother Rakarth.
Huh weird 2 hour 13 minute and 17 second video you say onto the next lord after Rakarth and it cuts off
see pinned comment.
sorry but sisters are one of best units what dark elfs have , sisters can trade cost effectly ewen again sword masters.
Depending on your lord, the death hag lady makes them really good
did you purposely skip Fateweaver in your demon factions? Of course that's who I'm playing. Two campaigns Fateweaver by myself and Vilith in Co op.
Havent done him yet, should be in the next few days, there is almost no order im doing them
@@LordForwind you had been doing all the demons, just making sure I didn't miss him
can you mada a updatte versionn?
Not sure it's changed enough to warrant a remake morathi is a harder start but most else is the same
ho ok i understand, but there a few changes in slaves, if it possibel you can show the economic sistem in 3 or 5 minutes, very few speak about, and your chanel is the mos complete in information that i see (until now)@@LordForwind
@@vgsojogo9658 I'll look into it to see if the changes are that large and if they are I'll do a video
hello
where can i see the slave population in different settlements? a building says inrease slave incoming 10% in local settlement, but the i cant see how many are there
It's global as far as I remember
@@LordForwind then the tooltip is outdated
:D thx
@@Destinyxx94 Yeah they updated it since I did the guide, but it wasnt worth redoing the full video!
@@LordForwind no i mean in my game the tooltip still says +10% slave income for local settlement^^ i am on version 2.3.0
@@Destinyxx94 yeah its not all updated from TW2
Fought crone with generic Valkia Lord on dragon. She whipped his butt in seconds.
she is a monster used correctly
@@LordForwind I'll prolly start as Crone or Rakarth for my first Dark Elf.
@@LandofMert76 Rakarth is the better option for new to dark elf players, easier start more units.
@@LordForwind yeah, he is my first choice anyway.
Lol weird I don't think I've ever built guild halls. It always drives my slave capacity to zero in just a few turns. I've never had any issues with my economy.....I just don't like needing to micro manage the guild halls. If you have those built and maxed in every settlement you could be losing up 500 slaves a turn. I do realize it's the basic way to play them. I just find it incredibly annoying constantly losing massive amounts of slaves a turn.....I did this when I first started playing them and it just rubbed me the wrong way.
Missing out on tons of money. Boom economy after sacking is the dark elf way
@LordForwind no yea I understand. Could you give me some tips on how to manage the guild halls? If I'm running low on slaves is that bad? I just know if I put those guild halls on my rakarth campaign I'm gonna be losing hundreds a turn.
@@kevinharvey9500 raid. And sack constantly. You need to be fighting and expanding or else you go broke
Look what they did to my boy.
Which one?
@@LordForwind They nerfed Malekith and the Dark Elves into the ground with this rework.
@@snakeyman5560 yeah they aren't in a good place at the moment, although to be fair none of the vortex races really are.
Ayyyy
Ayyy too?
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Hope it helps