I'm Jealous of Warhammer
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 14 พ.ค. 2022
- ...And this is more a Mass Effect video.
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Music List:
Mass Effect 3 Citadel OST - Dream of Sushi
Mass Effect 3 Citadel OST - Combat Simulator Tier 1
Mass Effect 3 Citadel OST - Shattered Eezo
Warhammer 40k Regicide OST - Deus Ex Vitae
Warhammer 40k Regicide OST - Only In Death Does Duty End
Warhammer 40k Mechanicus OST - Millennial Rage
Mass Effect 3 OST - London
Quake Champions (DOOM Edition) OST - Durandal (Marathon 2 Cover)
Mass Effect 3 Citadel OST - Casino Entrance Music
Game/Film List:
Warhammer 40k Dawn of War
Mass Effect 3
Mass Effect 2
Mass Effect Genesis
Mass Effect: Team Assault
Mass Effect Infiltrator
Mass Effect 1
Black Lagoon
Hotline Miami
Hotline Miami 2: Wrong Number
Metro: Exodus
Titanfall
Titanfall 2
Titanfall Assault
Apex Legends
Transmissions: Element 120
Necromunda: Hired Gun
Warhammer 40k: Gladius
Warhammer 40k: Mechanicus
Warhammer: Chaosbane
Total War: Warhammer
Warhammer 40k: Battle Sister
Battlefleet Gothic Armada 2
Warhammer: Vermintide 2
Warhammer 40k: Space Marine
Warhammer 40k: Space Hulk Deathwing
EYE: Divine Cybermancy
Mass Effect Andromeda
Blood Bowl: Deathzone
Warhammer 40k: Firewarrior
Warhammer Quest: Silver Tower
Warhammer: Dark Nexus Arena
Warhammer 40k: Storm of Vengeance
Eisenhorn XENOS
Warhammer 40k: Eternal Crusade
Warhammer 40k: Dawn of War III
Warhammer 40k: Inquisitor
Blood Bowl II
Star Wars: Bounty Hunter
007 Nightfire
Transformers War for Cybertron
Mad Max
Gears 5
Warhammer 40k: Dawn of War II
Warhammer The End Times Vermintide
Warhammer 40k: Darktide
Mirror's Edge: Catalyst
Madden '22
Deus Ex: Mankind Divided
Warhammer 40k: Kill Team
Warhammer Age of Sigmar: Tempestfall
Mass Effect Legendary Edition
Anthem
Half Life Alyx - เกม
I was the lead producer on Mass Effect 3 in Edmonton, and responsible for ME3 MP development. We didn’t make MP just for money, it was really a love letter to the coop shooter genre. Monetization was not the first thing we started with. I left after ME3, so I can’t speak to subsequent decisions, but I can say we really just wanted to make something special that would entertain people for a long time.
Well, if you’re not just some dude taking the name of but the genuine article, I’d like to say the MP was something special, so it’s a shame that it was never truly picked up and ran with. Y’all did a great job despite the micro transactions within it, so I’d say it was a success personally.
@@Chaplain_Valen I mean, I was just a producer, the team did all the real work. Many of that team came with me to start Phoenix Labs. A lot of the lessons we learned we put to use on Dauntless and our new games.
For anyone reading this, Jesse is in fact the real deal.
Man, I wish they'd included the multiplayer when they released the Legendary Edition
Im pretty sure that wasnt your decision. I bet EA suits strong-armed bioware into including mp into overall game like with many other things.
"You get eight books for a single battle in one of the universes..." Don't forget the 50+ books, short stories, audio dramas, comics, etc. Leading up to that single battle.
And that's just a prequel series, not even the main timeline
The horus heresy....... foken 8000+ books.
Uhh
Dont forget bits and pieces of lore in the codex's, also old books that are no longer considered official lore
The siege of terra is hardly 'a single battle'.
Space Marine was so good that when Space Marine 2 was revealed recently, *no one in the 40k community complained about it*
Well, no one apart from the primaris haters.
And Gamza, but he’s reduced to a crybaby at this point
@@captainweekend5276 I'm a prime hater of the Primaris nonsense, and even I can give a pass to the new game.
Space Marine was okay, it's just sticks out among a sea of bad games as way above average. The linear corridor levels, the quick time events, the graphics, none aged well. SM2 by all means will be incredible though.
Except for the 100 or so people that still play Space Marine...They're not looking forward to it 😂
It also helps that warhammer approaches its lore fast and loose with its “everything is cannon but not everything is true” ideology. It’s gives developers plenty of room to explore the IP.
As somebody that loathes cannon with a burning passion, I really wish more universes would take that approach.
@@Raycevick Unreliable narration is a staple of 40k lore. There's an entire novel series about a hero of the Imperium writing his memoirs about how he isn't actually a big damned hero but just big damned lucky and actually kind of a coward. It's annotated by his long-suffering Inquisitor girlfriend (who has restricted the memoirs so people don't realise that he's not a big damned hero) and is genuinely hilarious. By the end you're not sure if he's actually a coward, a hero with a serious case of impostor syndrome or making shit up.
@@OnboardG1 Whats the series called and who wrote it ? It sounds like a good read
@@Raycevick It has serious downsides, like large swathes of the lore can be considered fan fiction level rubbish, and if your favourite faction is one of those that only gets rare updates and it's pure rubbish it feels like a real kick in the nuts as it could be a decade or more before you get anything else.
It generally works well for Warhammer because the basis of the universe is set up to allow for pretty much any event can be easily explained through timey whimey warp nonsense, pointless rivalry or just out right incompetence.
It's just a sad excuse for bad writing
15 days later: Games workshop spams the market with like ten more games out of absolutely nowhere.
Raycevick: "RRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!"
RRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
The Horus heresy actually has 54 books in the “main series” and an additional 18 set in the siege of terra part of the heresy. The 30k universe is huge
40k*
@@takeshelter5313 30k. That's when Horus Heresy takes place. 40k is post Horus Heresy
@@takeshelter5313 the Horus heresy is set 10,000 years before the current warhammer 40k timeline.
As far as I'm aware, the Siege of Terra series only encompasses 8 Books.
@@takeshelter5313 dummy
Don't be jealous of 40k fans for the games, be jealous of us for the books. We get a huge number of incredibly high-quality novels on a scale that is frankly unbelievable. I've spent hundreds and hundreds of hours listening to them on audible and I've still barely scratched the surface. It's really helped keep me invested in the universe since turning on an audiobook is such an easy thing to do and there are always more no matter what.
Warhammer has some of the best scifi literature out there. Not just like, for franchises, but in general. The night lords trilogy is up there with the time i read old mans world.
@@iharpo9292 for me it’s the Infinite and the Divine
Some parts of the Siege of Terra series are literally poetic. Especially The End and The Death Pt. 1. That book is so beautifully written. It almost feels like a religious book.
Bro are you me?? First Warhammer books I ever read were the night lords trilogy and the infinite and the divine. Now I swear by them when someone asks me about good sci fi literature@@iharpo9292 @Narpas313
I can agree with you on the games honestly (don't know about the books but may read a couple one day), their hit or miss honestly. Games like Dawn of War 1-2, Bolter and Space Marine, they're all great. And on the other spectrum; cash grabs smdh
GW’s philosophy is basically “people will love the good games more than they’ll hate the bad ones”
Meanwhile, in a Warhammer fan's mind
"I'm jealous of other franchises, for I can experience all they have to offer in a humanly viable span of time, instead of being bombarded with dozens of books and games every year"
Literally suffering from success
And also not have the overwhelming majority of it be absolute shit you have sift through to get to the good stuff.
Agreed. This is why I actually prefer the “mass effect strategy,” he brings up. I’d rather have 3 absolute masterclass games from a timeless trilogy than have to be drowned in limitless content for one franchise. I want to experience other universes and stories. I like that dark souls games only come out every couple of years. That allows me to take a break after dumping 200 hours of game time into one to experience other video games before the next one releases to consume my life again. I strictly prefer quality over quantity.
Meanwhile, in a Warhammer fan's mind:
"cry about it"
@@harryrundle7897 Not really success when you realize that like 90% of warhammer games are either pure trash or mediocre at best. How many good Warhammer games there are actually? Dawn of War 1 and 2, Total War Wahammer 1/2/3, Vermintide 1/2 and maybe Space Marine. Plus maybe few less popular ones. Out of propably like a hundred games...
"If you're lucky" *Deus Ex appears*
I'm not crying, you're crying.
Actually, we both are.
This video aged remarkably well, considering the reveal of like another 7 warhammer games yesterday
An additional three (at least) more have been announced in the past 3 months since those last 7.
@@A1509MDIX and another 4 now
This is the reason people read and write fanfiction lol. An even smaller proportion of quality than 40k titles, but there's so very much of it that that still amounts to a decent pile of good stuff
I recognised the Mechanicus music as soon as is started playing, when Warhammer games are done right, they're fantastic
How come I see you in every single comment section?
That game won me over on soundtrack alone.
To each their own. I couldn't make it past the end of the Mechanicus tutorial missions because the writing was so bad. Grammar mistakes and overall tone issues galore, felt like bad fanfiction.
When Warhammer is done right, it's fantastic no matter the medium!
Except dawn of war 3. That game doesn't exist by authority of the Emperor's holy Ordos of the Inquisition.
WH-Fans be like:
Damn, i wish we would get just one really awesome singleplayer RPG like Mass Effect. All we get are tons of mediocre (and really bad) games.
I'm glad I've seen this video because while I do still long for a Mass Effect style Warhammer game. I really should be more appreciative of how widespread and varied Warhammer is. Not every game is great but the good clearly have a lot of passion from people who do care about the universe.
@@zenoblues7787 All I want is a Mass Effect like game where we play as an Inquisitor, they could even bring in the Paragon-Renegade system but change it to Puritan-Radical. A man can dream.
@@the_corvid97 agreed, I’d think the most likely choice would be an inquisitor from the ordo hereticus. The main mission would be some like a grand conspiracy stretched between a few planets or even maybe a couple systems that you have to stop.
Also there could be some side missions where you investigate and wipe out cult activities and if they’re chaos or genestealer then you get some interactions with the ordo malleus and ordo xenos respectively. Or chase down a rogue psyker with some sister of silence.
@@sirshotty7689 My dream is a whole trilogy were your inquisitor starts at Ordo Hereticus goes to Ordo Xenos and ends at Ordo Malleus. Your retinue would expand with your inquisitor having very limited resources and personnel in the first game. Growing in the first 2 games until by the 3rd game you'd have a small fleet and armies of personnel on hand. The Radical and Puritan system would also expand as you go forward there is more risk and higher consequences for your actions. In each game you would have game exclusive party members from each Ordo's Chamber Militant.
Not really. I'm a warhammer fan (of the universe,setting and fiction. never played or going toplay the tabletop game) I like that they release tons of lower ambition mid tier games and MOST are at least fun for a playthrough and short enough to accomodate multiple playthroughs. Mordheim is pretty cool, Mechanicus I played multiple times, Storm Ground I've beat all of the Stormcast missions, Vermintide is a servicable L4D clone, Chaosbane I played through to the end game as a slayer dwarf, Battle Sector seems pretty fun and deep. I'm much happier getting a flood of options, even if some aren't that deep, than a game once a decade like most triple A studios.
Meanwhile, Warhammer just announced a CRPG, a sports game, a side scrolling shoot-em-up, several expansion packs, and a literal 16-bit Doom clone
This video is only getting more relevant. As both a Warhammer and Mass Effect fan, I can understand where you’re coming from
wow just like me a fan of both
And a film
@@ireallycant4416 Hell yeah brother
@@Mister_Domm Tell me about that DOOM clone.
@@martind5653 Warhammer 40k: Boltgun, releasing soonish.
I think skillup had a good take: Warhammer rejected blizzard when they asked for a license. After the success of warcraft as an IP, I think they are over compensating by giving so many devs the license
Well, it seems GW learned their lesson and now have a very successful franchise now.
Thank god they did so. Blizzard became the most disappointing Publisher in those past 10 years. Remember what they did to diablo? Developing it just around teh auctionhouse? Blizzard has lost its soul and became a zombie, hungering for money instead of brains.
@@kilmindaro3 yeah. I just wish we got more awesome games. Sure we got Vermintide, Warhammer Total War, Dawn of War, and Space Marine. But aside from those the quality is all over the place
@@sparkyspinz9897 I'd rather have games with varying quality of the franchise i love than no games at all.
@@sparkyspinz9897 battle fleet gothic seems pretty cool
Clearly Mass Effect should get a miniature wargame, this started as a joke in my head but actually sounds kinda dope.
As someone without any previous tabletop experience who's being drawn into a Necromunda campaign, the first place my mind went when being introduced to the gang factions and combat mechanics was how easily you could transplant the Blood Pack/Eclipse/Blue Suns triumvirate across and build from there. Someone's going to homebrew it sooner or later surely
Play Infinity, could be fun
Even just a pretty good digital miniature wargame (something like Star Wars: Empires at War, Dawn of War, Halo Wars, or XCOM) would be a really interesting expansion to an otherwise entirely third-person primarily cover-shooter action roleplaying series. Much like what Halo Wars did to Halo giving a new perspective on these creatures and vehicles and planets, especially if like Empires at War it still involves a galaxy map and distinguishes between "strategic" and "tactical".
Mass Effect should get a Dead Space-style horror game. With a villain faction like the Reapers or the Rachni, there's so much potential for horror.
I laughed and then i thought about it too….Im not laughing just nodding now.
The TLDR is to diversify the talent pool by letting lower budget yahoos have a chance to shine...and if they fail, there are a hundred more attempts being made right over the horizon of time! One or two of them are just bound to strike figurative gold!
Alternate title is "How to make a Franchise".
Moreover, the Warhammer franchise spans beyond just table top: video games, books and other forms of media means that they can cater their universe to a variety of different audiences rather then just a single specific one.
I don't know if this would apply to video games as well, but it could be at the risk of "cheapening" the brand. When no one really respects the name and initial releases go by without fanfare. I'm guessing that one of the conventional metrics of success of a triple A game would be initial sales. With these metrics, giving license to anyone to throw shit at the wall and see what sticks might show bad numbers. Late blooming when someone discovers that it's good a month after release might not be taken into consideration, or it has but the numbers are not as good as initial sales.
"Endless trash!"
@@prointernetuser Counterintuitively, by going the AAA route, they end up cheapening the brand. Look at Halo. 343 spent a lot of time and development, and they are turning the franchise to shit. No need to worry about bad content coming out, the gatekeepers of the community long ago created a protective measure against this called, "eh it's not canon"
With most franchises that approach doesn't work and ppl get fed up by so many mediocre games
What you described literally happened to me. I'm a massive boomer shooter stan and I got Warhammer Boltgun because even though I knew the bare minimum about 40K, it always looked perfect for that sort of thing.
Cut to four months later, I'm reading lore for hours, discussing who the best primarch is, begging games workshop for a survival horror where you play as a member of the Death Korps of Krieg and screaming about purging the heretics.
It also helps how, despite it's grimdark tagline, absurdly fun the setting gets.
Seriously, it's a hugely expansive universe of nothing but high octane violent, heavy metal fun
So... who is the bealst Primarch?
@@lazylazymule my favorite is Leeman Russ and the one I love to hate the most is Lorgar
I want the E.Y.E. Divine Cybermancy guys to keep making 40k games, or at least do the art direction for them. For all of their lackluster gameplay, the devs clearly care about the setting based on the insane environments alone.
TBH E.Y.E. Divine Cybermancy is just a god tier game
I mean it's a buggy mess on an early version of Source but GOD DAMN does it get aesthetics right
@@commisaryarreck3974 Conveniently also a good review for both Space Hulk: Death Wing and Necromunda: Hired Gun. Aestetic game is godly, but the gameplay is often clunky and sometimes cryptic.
I remember pirating that game when i was like 9 years old, what a weird game... But i still have memories of it, mostly those big guys with golden mask, a lot of katanas or swords, being able to buy brains and that horrible horrible hacking thing which i always failed at
@@hughjaenus2235Your legs are okay
@@chillyavian7718 Thanks
Part of the reason Warhammer (fantasy, 40k, Horus Heresy, Age of Sigmar, etc.) is like this now is because Games Workshop took the "spreadshot" approach to licensing - making the license cheap and easily accessible to development studios
This has resulted in a LOT of garbage - like a lot of really crappy mobile games - but it also means that the odds of some passionate dev team getting their hands on the franchise and making the game they want to make is higher, since the license is cheaper and more readily available
It's a significant departure from the usual "We will license our property but give you strict guidelines, oversight and will repeatedly meddle in it's development" that caracterizes most licensing deals, with Games Workshop the policy seems to be: "Here's a guidebook for the franchise, go nuts, if it's popular and good you'll hear from us again and get more investment for a cool sequel, if it's bad, it didn't cost us anything since we didn't invest in it to begin with"
It also helps that 40k is so loose with its canon, and strong with it's thematic foundations, that people can have a lot of freedom with what they do in the wider playground and not worry too that they'll make a mess of canon somewhere else, or be 'wrong'. And it's easier to make it feel like 40k. Mass Effect seems like something with very deep lore, and that and the character interactions is what makes the games great. While 40k does have that to some extent, a lot of the draw is the superficial stuff: Space Marine, for example, could be loosely described as 'supersoldier murders Ork incursion to save big robot, then murders demonic incursion'. And that's basically it: very simple, but still very 40k.
And somehow no big video game developer took the license.
True
@@blackjacka.5097 The big game developers want to own the license themselves, not have it leant to them, that way if the game succeeds they get the full profit and credit and can have full control of what they do with the franchise from there. Smaller devs are more willing to buy other license/make a deal to use said license as it can act as a form of financial security/give them a chance to go up in the business world. If it succeeds they get more known, offered more license, and get to make more games.
This also means that the fans will get to see more of the games they really like, but at the cost of having to wade through a lot of bad games, books, etc. as well. Perhaps what demonstrates this all best is star craft. Originally, star craft was meant to be a warhammer game, but there was licensing issues and disagreements, so they decided to just make their own universe to fit the game they'd been developing and it was a major success giving them full control of their own IP and the license. Had they stuck with warhammer, whatever mini-franchise they created probably wouldn't have made it nearly as far as starcraft did.
still mostly shovelware studios
Ironically, the economic and production choices of the two franchises sort of mirror the in game view on human life and war.
In Mass Effect the government sinks large sums of money into a small crew of highly skilled special operators who are expected to save the world.
In Warhammer 40K the empire has a steady production of expendable, yet very effective, fanatical warriors who are sent out into the cosmos to stem the tide of hungry monsters and conquering warlords.
This is such an excellent allegory I love it
Beautiful comparison
The empire isn't a thing in 40k and if you refer to Space Marines they are in no way expendable
@@hoovyzepoot I believe he meant the Imperium of Man as a whole. Yeah, Space Marines may not be as expendable, but now you include the entirety of Imperial Guard which you know... "We'll throw so many bodies against them that we will drown them in our blood"
The EA Money Militia vs the 40k Financial Marines.
Black Lagoon was amazing and I'm sad Hirano just doesn't want to continue the series. Best guns, best company, best waifus, Dutch is a boss. What's not to like?
You spoke so perfectly on my behalf with this one. Mass effect is one of the only series that I can't stop coming back too.
It deserves so much better than what it is. Thank you, this was extremely cathartic for me.
I love sci-fi, I played the Original mass effect trilogy, I still don't really see the appeal, it's story telling potential is not as good, it is endless, but that's the current standard in sci-fi, even endless has an emotional range, and Mass effect doesn't have a huge range compared to, halo, star wars, wh40k, star trek,
It comes down to one thing, in mass effect the little guy doesn't matter, in all the aforementioned franchises, the dude who started off poor and has no magical superpower or enhancements or political or military power CAN STILL BE A HERO, mass effect doesn't have that.
In regards to Metro, the universe is 'open source' so there actually have been a lot of books in said universe from different authors, without focusing on the main story of the Metro books.
Well that's neat, didn't know Glukhovsky made the property OS outside of the 4A games
@@ArcturusOTE it started as a book
@@KriegLives I know, I also learnt it started as an online story first thanks to Metro Exodus 3 Years Later, I just didn't know how Glukhovsky licensed the franchise as a whole
That's neat, do you know some of them by any chance? Or any recommendation?
@@shain0404 Heritage of the Ancestors was quite interesting
The irony of one of my favorite video game TH-camrs wanting more from his genre's as I await a video every 2-4 months
I knew my upload "schedule" would be mentioned at some point
Hey, Raycevick is putting his license out there free of charge, so it's not the same
@@peezieforestem5078 It's not the same in any regard. I'm pretty sure this was said purely in jest.
@@ThisBirdHasFlown could you elaborate? What is not the same in any regard?
If you want to perceive the original comment as a joke, you are free to perceive my comment as a joke as well. If you take my comment seriously, then it's only fair to take the original comment seriously as well. No double standards.
@@peezieforestem5078 yeah but the other guy told a joke
As a warhammer fan this does make me feel better about the state our games are in. Sure there's a lot of trash but at least there's a LOT so there's a chance some golden nuggets come through rather than just nothing. Never really been into Mass Effect, never played the games or anything, but people talking about does intrigue me and I hope you guys get something good soon as well
You forgot to add "We got to punch Cerberus troops in the balls with a Batarian gauntlet as a Volus mercenary"
Also, you could play as a Volus Vanguard and name him Bowling ball.
There's been a similar hiccup with Star Wars - I don't believe people love the series for its consistency or groundbreaking storytelling, but rather that Star Wars under George Lucas was this massive multimedia behemoth, where people could try any bizarre and niche concept within the series' universe. Once Disney took over, things became infrequent and safe, and I think people liked the clunky charms of the old universe. Not to mention the relative lack of games during that now-expired exclusivity with EA.
When EA acquired the license I thought they'd get all their studios pumping out games, instead they released 4? games since 2013.
Just glad that they don't have it now and maybe Star Wars will become like Warhammer again and we'll have a wide plethora of games from Republic Commando and Battlefront to Empire at War.
Nailed it. Vastly varied books, games, comics with something for everyone. FPS? Dark Forces. RTS? Empire at War. Space Sim? X Wing and TIE Fighter. Immersive Sim? Jedi Knight series. Plus so many great (and not so great) stories. From the 2 Han Solo trilogies, Crimson Empire, Thrawn series....it really depresses me that such a fleshed out universe got nuked by Disney.
The Disney purchase dramatically shrunk the galaxy, Christ.
I think Visions (is that what it's called?) is the only interesting thing that's come out of it.
Just looks.at how many bonkers SW we got in the 2000s.
Lego star wars, Battlefront 1 and 2, Repuic commando, forces unleashed. And these are just the big ones.
I was going to say the same thing. For awhile Star Wars was probably the biggest multimedia franchise in existence. Even just in video games we got multiple games per year with something in every genre, from shooters to RTS to racing games to even fighting games. And then all of that stopped when EA took the exclusive license and sat on it. Such a disappointment.
I work in games marketing and all I could do is nod in agreement through the whole video. Some of the brand decisions made are nothing but baffling in the eyes of the industry. Even as suits start droning on about the “meta verse” it’s bizarre seeing how limited they make their franchises. As a always stellar work.
Marketing people in the videogame industry sometines are inept at best (except u lol)
The most tremendous disconnect, and something that hilariously the US pharmaceutical industry prioritizes, is understanding the needs, desires, and ascendant views of their recovery and lives post-treatment. Videogame companies would do well to ascribe to the "patient journey" marketing landscape of US pharma to understand what their users ACTUALLY want. Because it's not a shitty yearly CoD: Vanguard release schedule. It's something else entirely that can build adherence. Warhammer has the foothold in 20+ years of tabletop adherence because there is literally NOTHING else. (God I wish FAFSA learned from Gameworks but that's a whole other conversation because LORD I love me some Battletech lore.)
Loved me some mech commander 1, 2 and earlier mechwarrior titles and recently MWO and battle tech, but these have also been to far and few between.
@@brimfire good to see another mechwarrior
3:11 Actually, there are more than three books in the Metro universe. At some point, the universe has been franchised out to other authors to write their own stories set within the universe. Those stories aren't restricted to Russia either, so you get a look at what other countries do past the war. I've read quite a few of them, some were kinda not good, but others were legitimately great and worthy of the Metro-stamp. I believe that 4A Games even took some inspiration from some of the novels. However, I'm not sure whether they have been translated into English. They are available in Russian and German afaik.
Love you, Raycevick. Please keep being awesome, but I know you'll excel at that.
I think Raycevik likes Mass Effect but i'm not sure. Could you make a 12 hour video describing every quest in the franchise and your thoughts on it like that one guy, PatricianTV, did for Morrowind and Oblivion, thanks.
He made 4 reviews... :)
Sure, I'll have that uploaded tomorrow.
@@Raycevick Sick, can’t wait to listen to it while I work tomorrow!
@@FreshTillDeath56 WE NEED THE DIRECTOR'S CUT. all 4 vids extended into one with extra commentary and some of the longest outtakes in :)) (this is a joke)
@@yayco123 Actually though, it would be interesting to see what Ray thinks of Bioware as of late. If Bioware is done and dusted, who would be the next developer to take up the Mass Effect lead? Or who would be the developer most likely to create something successful with the scope of Mass Effect?
This is literally me right now.
I'm 52...played Space Hulk and TT 40k as a kid.
Did Dawn of War and Space Hulk on PC.
Then....nothing. For years.
Until last year...saw the SM2 trailer. Then watched the Blood Angels (the best legion) TV series. Now currently binging Luetin, playing Ascension and just about to go full Warhammer 40,000: Chaos Gate - Daemonhunters.
This franchise has legs.
more legs than a tyrannid
Yeah, it's been a while since I played anything Warhammer. This video has me wanting to install some games.
Ascension what?
@@zrize101 Space Hulk Ascension... Nearest turn based 'xcom type' strategy - until now.
y'know what's worse? started playing Firewarrior and Dawn of War as a kid.
Now I'm collecting 2 40k armies and 3 more in Age of Sigmar
I feel the same about Dead Space, even though the franchise had a lot of multi-media content (books, comics, animated movies and few spinoffs), the lore and the universe are so massively interesting that I want more and more ;___; I would even love to see an exploration of the every day life in the Dead Space world, the technology, culture and immersion are top notch.
And then the Warhammer Skulls showcase drops today... Now what do you do?
The original Dawn of War got me into the franchise. I've been hooked ever since. The universe is so big, with so many stories, characters, and things to explore. Yeah, GWs made some screw ups. A lot of screw ups, but the IP is strong. And in 10 years, even if we never get another game, I can go back to Dawn of War: Soulstorm and sink more hours in. Or pick up another trilogy book. Or finish painting (ha) one of my armies and go play the tabletop.
You should check out the Unification mod.
yes same for me but it was only at the surface level
when i played warhammer40k spacemarine that's what hen i totally indulged into the vast grim darkness and it has made me wh40k info maniac
Dawn of war ultimate apocalypse is amazing if a tad unbalanced
same dawn of war 1 soulstorm got me into the franchise but we have yet to get a Dawn of war similar to suprem commander with Infinity of unite on the ground as long as you ressource
Agreed on dawn of war. Gothic Armada II with skalgrim mod is insane and still play it to this day. Adds 100s of new ships all lore compliant and look great, perform better.
You know I oddly needed to hear this. As a Warhammer fan it can at time be easy to get lost in the usual bitching and moaning about GW being GW, questionable lore/story decision and drowning under the glut of not that great Warhammer games. So it's nice at times how good Warhammer fans have it and how there's still a lot to love about Warhammer despite some miss steps.
Amen to that statement
@@theepicspacemarine8684 ahem, Praise the Emperor you mean
Praise the dark gods would be the better way to say that
yeah but...
Half of the WH/40k games he's talkign about are absolute trash, mobile games ported for PC or consoles...
Fuck they even went as far as to make a 40k themed chess game... or that last thing they put out Gladius sector or whatever it is, that works exactly like any P2W/Paywall """tactical"" behind time gated shit game...
This is true. The meta, tho…
12:06 Last of Us 1 had amazing multiplayer.
I was double bummed once I finished the 2nd one and realising they scrapped the multiplayer
After finishing the second one I wished the entire franchise had never existed and I had never liked the first game.
@@mckinleyostvig7135Okay buddy
As somebody who is big into 40k story and lore and also enjoyed the ME games a lot, I'm with you there, that universe is too precious to just rot unloved and forgotten by its creators.
From the moment I understood the weakness of Mass Effect, it disgusted me. I craved the strength and certainty of Warhammer. I aspired to the purity of the blessed Games Workshop. Your kind cling to EA as if it will not decay and fail you. One day the crude bioware you call a temple will wither and you will beg my kind to save you.
But I am already saved. For I have mostly bad taste!!!
P.S. that's obviously a joke, I love M.E.
“Praise the IP, for it is sacred. Do not let fear of mistake stay your hand. For it is through the hands of men which the IP is made.”
“Ive done every interrupt”
As one does.
“I’ve completed every side mission”
Same!
“I’ve killed a dozen thresher maws”
Seems low but Yes!
“I’ve read all the planet descriptions”
Hell ya!
“I’ve played and completed pinnacle station”
Brother! (Most efficient way to get the end game armors too with reload cycling)
“Heres what I am currently reading”
Okay thats TOO desperate…
Those comics, man... I love Mass Effect and I'm a big big fan of the lore and the codex and the possibilities for a million stories that they built into that thing. It's a bit like Warhammer in that way, where you could tell a wide swath of sci-fi stories in that universe and they could all fit!
But those comics... and those novels... good god, man. There's maybe like, a couple that are any good at all, and the rest I'd chuck straight in the trash. I feel like Warhammer and Star Wars have higher hit rates, and that's REALLY rough.
😂😂😂😂
hearing the marathon 2 theme threw me for a loop there that was a very nice touch
That "Fuck you!" was the most I felt in a long time. No game series has held my interest for as long as Mass Effect had. Countless playthroughs and still counting as well as sunk more than a 1000 hours into the multiplayer. I feel deprived what once was and what I yearn for. I whole heartedly enjoyed the multiplayer despite its flaws because I loved my quarian infliltrator and the various weapons I could use. If the multiplayer were added to the Legendary Edition, I would drop another thousand hours in a flash.
Goddamn that mechanicus soundtrack is still one of the best ever made in gaming.
WUB WUB WUB EEEE EEEE EEEE!
I felt that "Fuck you" at the end. Mass Effect deserves more. I've even began reading the mass effect dnd5e conversion I'm so starved for content.
i boot up andromeda like every 6 months or so have fun for an hour than realize why I dropped it again
If you get into 40k’s table top, theres no wrong way to paint your minis, or make you space marine chapter: you can straight up just make the System Alliance Military out if Marines or T’au.
@@LinkiePup Just remember to thin your paints as the old advice goes.
I'm not even a Mass Effect fan and i felt that
@@Gideon020 two thin coats
I like to imagine Raycevick at the bioware offices front desk slowly walking up without a word. The secretary looks up at him and asks "Can I help you sir?". And like the scene of Kylo Ren vs Luke he screams at her "MORE!".
I think Black Lagoon would make for a great Max Payne style video game.
Man, I feel this. Star Wars is a prime example of this since they went from one extreme to the other following the Disney aquisition. Used to be tones of games. I recall several RPG/action/platformer games along side Star Wars chess and Star Wars Tekken, all console. Now its Battlefront, which is top-tier A-A-A blaaaaaaaaah... I miss the variety, even if the games were janky
I was just thinking the exact same thing as I was watching the video.
Republic Commando, now that was awesome. Wish another would come out, but I'm not sure when it would take place lore wise.
It might be changing now that EA lost the exclusive right to SW games. Maybe the new games will be crap though, but at least there will be more of them.
Hell I don't even understand why they haven't made a space exploration game yet, like Elite Dangerous but in the Star Wars universe.
OG Battlefronts were so good... ;-;
@@Texelion3Dprints because it would be hella expensive and also a good idea.
This is exactly how I feel with Ace Combat. For such a huge world with a shit ton of lore, they barely scratched half of the Strangereal countries and barely touching the cyberpunk future they established in 3
Here’s hoping the success of Skies Unknown convinces Bandai Namco to at least try to put more faith into the franchise
FPS and Strategy games from Strangereal could be interesting. Play as Infantry during Belka War would be nice or play as ground vehicles in that series. So much potentials.
@@mr.seaotter-1429 you can have it tie into the main games too with a quick cameo. Like Mobius 1 dropping a quick airstrike on your target as you go about your objectives
still waiting ace combat 3 electrosphere remake tho
"I have so far to goooooo..." 💜
Acepedia has an article about 2007 game concepts from a Famitsu magazine, all of which are set in Strangereal and therefore would have counted as Ace Combat spinoffs. Not sure if they're 100% legit.
There are plenty of franchises that I just want more of. I want to experience their world and the stories it can offer, and so often whether it's games, anime, tv shows, books, comics, plays, audio dramas (looking at you Yoko Taro) or the combination thereof, there's just not enough for me. That's when I'm glad I'm a Star Wars fan. 100 games, 100s of books and comics, 15 movies, 18 tv shows, "with a million more well on the way." You couldn't run out of Star Wars if you tried. Yeah, some of it's bad. Hell, a lot of it's bad, but almost inevitably that means that some of it is good, in fact some of it's the best fiction ever written, and when you find something like that, the KotORs, The Clone Wars, the Thrawn trilogy, it's utterly magical. Even if it took some digging to get there, you got to experience new stories in a universe that you love, and that's because the creator stuck with it and the fans stuck with it. The franchise could have died with the holiday special, before Empire was even released, but people didn't abandon it after it took a bad turn. The creator evolved the series, took risks, gained new fans and lost some old ones, and now it's still around today even though no two Star Wars fans will ever fully agree on what Star Wars they like, because it's different for everybody. Personally, I hate Jedi Power Battles, and I think the OT is 'fine,' but prefer the prequel era, which most Star Wars fans would consider heresy. If you've made a compelling universe, then you can make a lot of stories and genres work inside of it to appeal to as many demographics as possible, but you can't do that in a single game. Believe in your franchise, iterate upon it, remind people of it by releasing new works, and the fanbase will grow in time, instead of letting the IP stagnate, letting its fans move on to something else, and driving both veterans and newcomers away by releasing a $40m flop every 5 years.
I am jealous of Warhammer, but i also recognize that the world needs more Mechanicus.
Im jealous of Raycevick's production quality.
Never too late to learn how to get like this.
I’m jealous of that raw hot schlang you got going on.
@@ROBOHOLIC1 I don't have the voice though.
Dark Crusade was my intro to the series. Still love this series to this day
Same. One of the best games to me.
I think I picked up DoW1 and Dark Crusade at a sale in a supermarket, before even knowing what 40k was. Honestly, even after playing them I wasn't sucked into 40k. They were just some cool RTS games to me back then.
i didn't expect this to see the first video I saw from you, lol. That last line got me good.
I can't imagine how salty you will be now because they announced even more games, I can flavor it
I'm dipping into 40K lore via Luetin09's channel, and it's _wild_ stuff. It's crazy how the ME crew haven't courted more nonvideogame creators to make stories, like Bungie and 343i did with _Halo_ .
Same. I listened to the Emperor of mankind and Horus heresy videos and the universe is sooo interesting. 40k lore is absolutely amazing
Luetin is BiS when it comes to lore channels
Look into Battletech if you want another crazy universe, Tex talk Battletech is a good start (Amaris Civil war is a good start)
@@katarjin YES! a fellow Battletech fan, both Warhammer 40k and Battletech is great. If you start with one I think you should definitely see the other aswell.
To add on I recommend “If the Emperor had Text to Speech” it’s a TH-cam series made by fans and it’s great
Mass Effect 3's MP is that one lightning in a bottle we had, we experienced it, us lucky few, and nobody will ever know how good it was.
Mass Effect seems like it would be a prime candidate for loads of other games, like maybe a Space RTS, similar to the likes of Homeworld or a squad based one like Company of Heroes/Dawn of War II or an XCOM-style one. Or there could be a game focused on a Space Bounty Hunter before the Reaper stuff happens, maybe playing as a space detective? Heck you could even play as a Rogue A.I./Illegal A.I. that is in hiding to avoid being terminated?
At least some other Sci-Fi universes like Halo made an attempt to expand the scope of its games with the Halo Wars games. And XCOM gave us that fun sequel game about playing as a human/alien mixed Swat team.
I really appreciate your videos man they're just always so good. You've definitely got the quality and humour I enjoy!
Truly spoken like someone who doesn’t have a series of books that fulfill the niche “fake hero gets into dangerous situations and survives through dumb luck only to be called a hero for doing so repeating the cycle” genre for their favorite series.
The hero of the Imperium
Tanna sir?
Just read the original Flashman tbh.
I’m glad someone gets how good we have it. Hours upon hours of tons of forms of content. 350 books to read. Spread over tons of factions. Games of ever make and quality. Creators who talk about the lore, paint the models, and play the games
That creators part is definitely under-rated.
Big execs always say 'I was a big fan growing up' in 40k, we can hv so much more nuance in 'oh, what type of fan?'
Except GW has been trying to kill content creation for years.
Good ass books too
Lol most of those books suck and are full of contradictions, the lore itself is all over the place, and hardly coherent, all but 3 WH games that ever been made, out of 50+, are absolute dog shit. The company is constantly going up and up on the price of plastic models, they can't balance their game to save their lives, for years they've been bullying and threatening fan creators in our community, just to maintain an iron grip on their shitty IP. We do not have it "good" in the Warhammer community. GW treats like their customers like used condoms and you're over here with Stockholm syndrome
@@delsinmunroe5067 thank you! All these nu-fans thinking how great everything is when the sad part is that the company was doing a better job when they weren't whoring out their IP or having any sort of contact with the fans. Now they'll retcon anything and everything to get more sales like a greedy long nosed merchant while the nu-fans cream their pants & buy the new stuff just because it's new. Getting real fucking tired of those "pile of shame" tards.
As as halo fan, I feel a bit as you said in the video, I hope one day some team other than 343 can reclaim the mantle and put out works we all remember and loved from the Bungie era.
Dude 343 has reclaimed the mantle.
The idea of endless black lagoon spinoffs is kinda horrifying.
As someone who fell totally in love with Titanfall, just in time for the DDOS to land, this totally hits home. It's amazing how the big publishers have basically forgotten to make mid-tier games. 20 projects that make 50 milion in sales is still a billion dollars, probably for less cost than 1 project that makes a billion. But it's been left by the wayside for an ever decreasing number of tent pole franchises that are proving easier and easier to topple with each release (see Halo, Battlefield, Assasin's Creed etc). Oh well, jealousy of GW it is!
to be fair gw is slowly pricing people out of the tabletop so don't be too jealous of us
@@revanruler6404 People have been saying that for literally decades, and they are still the biggest in wargaming with more players and fans than ever before.
As a big Warhammer and Mass Effect fan, I am on both sides on this. I am spoiled by choice for Warhammer but good god some of the choices are bad. But as a Mass Effect fan, boy do I wish I had content to engage with, shitty or not.
Big same. I remember playing Space Hulk on my Panasonic 3D0 as a kid in the 90s lol, that was my introduction to the 40k universe. I slowly became more and more interested in the lore and was in love with the designs and overall aesthetic of everything 40k. But without enough full games with stories to get me invested in that I will play over an over again... well... I just haven't been given a chance to truly become obsessed with it like I have been with Mass Effect, Elder Scrolls, or Fallout universes. Every time I find a game thats fun, it's always missing the ingredients that would make it something great. Warhammer needs games that can be not only a good entry into the universe, but something that gets people invested in it. If they could make a large scale epic RPG with a killer story, with a giant warhammer sandbox to play in, that would do it, for sure.
This is a really cool topic and video premise. about the more larger scale apreciation of how properties deal with their universes and content. The pros and cons of radically different models.
My first time playing Mechanicus I got absolutely WRECKED because I thought it would be a simple, straight-forward “go get ‘em” experience. Man was I wrong…3 full playthroughs later and I love it even more. The style, the customization, the “voice acting” and of course…THE MUSIC. Mechanicus is better than it has any right to be, and I’m ok with that.
40K fans: "Man why are there so many bad 40K games?"
Every other fan: "Why aren't there more games from the franchise I like?"
There is never enough.
Honestly, what you said in the end is precisely why Warhammer has kept going strong while all others have fallen or faded. They choose not put the future of their franchises behind a single project. They have their hands in tabletop, books, video games, and normal board games. Hell, they are even starting to dip their toes into movies and TV. And there are ongoing projects going on in each. Many of them will not be good, most will be bad. But the bad ones are virtually never strong enough to destroy the IP and the good ones really stand out among others in the industry. They keep on growing many smaller legs so the IP stays afloat even if some fail. The centipede keeps going when it loses some legs while the might giraffe, majestic and tall, is crippled and dies when a single leg is broken.
One other thing Warhammer does really well is by not having any one character be the focal point of the franchise. Unlike IPs like Halo and Mass Effect, whose primary narratives and core identities are based almost completely on the sole player character (Master Chief and Commander Shephard respectively), Warhammer makes an effort in saying that the universe will keep going even without their input. They make a habit of making the universe bigger than the majority of characters themselves. Only an extremely small number of truly godlike beings are capable of changing the universe by their actions alone, people who make Chief and Shephard look look like specs of dust. And trying to make a game where you would fill their shoes is an exercise in futility. Those same characters are mostly faded into the pages of history, little more than myth and legend.
great video, I really feel your pain on lack of content as a huge fan of the Metro and S.T.A.L.K.E.R series if not for the amazing modders
that keep remaking stalker I don't know what i'd do. I just can't get enough of that post apocalyptic old east european vibe
What makes this video more relevant is the fact that games workshop just announced like 7 different warhammer games with each being their own genre of gaming
While Black Lagoon isn't really an apt comparison because it's a semi-obscure anime and not a video game franchise, I still appreciate you bringing it up. BTW if you want something in basically the exact same vein as Black Lagoon, go watch Jormungand.
I completely agree, do watch Jormungand it's amazing
And unfortunately the reason why black Lagoon has been on hiatus several times already it’s because the creator himself has had to deal with depression and writers block thank God he has been working on other stuff as well that way he has been able to come out with more chapters and he will eventually finish the series so far the series had 10 and 11 come out and 12 should be out pretty soon which I’m highly looking forward to which I will be reading all the manga again
I believe there's even a Black Lagoon / Jormungand crossover in a single manga issue.
Jormungand is not nearly as good as black lagoon
I felt like Jormungand wanted to be like Black Lagoon but just couldn't pull it off, it was good, but it just wasn't Black Lagoon
I'd take ME3 Multiplayer remastered or alternatively a separate ME Multiplayer game which is constantly updated... I don't normally like live service games, but if ME3 multiplayer was still receiving content to this day I'd almost certainly still be playing it was the best time I've ever had on a multiplayer game!
IT was really fun to play, but honestly, that kind of game now days would be considered boring and safe. Plus the whole monetisation model would need to change.
Thank you for acknowledging transformers war for Cybertron that's and series is so underrated
I’ll always love a mention of War For Cyberton
3:11 Three books by Glukhovsky. Then there's about a dozen or so spin-off books by several authors dealing with different metro stations or entirely different cities.
Most of them reach the heights of the original trilogy but they're a fun read regardless. If you need your Metro fix, go check them out!
Do any of them have official (or even decent fan made) English translations, tho?
@@fillosof66689 I think they dont, sadly
Really? Didn't know.
I think a mass effect tabletop RPG could be pretty cool
I'm pretty sure there is already one
I know of at least one fanmade hack.
@@amaurylaunay Not officially. I was a game master for a a Mass Effect fan made TTRPG system that ran for a year and a half. I was a player in two others. Those fan made systems are janky at best.
@@amaurylaunay I just checked, there is a 5e conversion for it but judging by that 5e star wars conversion, I wouldn't hold out much hope
Thinking about it Infinity is literally just a bootleg Mass Effect prequel in tabletop form.
So I think I picked up the hidden message in this video: *Immediately starts working on a Black Lagoon video game*
Someone name dropped War for Cybertron in 2022. I’m so glad people remember that game. I loved it.
if only warhammer wasn't so mismanaged about relations with fanmade stuff...
rip Emperror TTS :(
Dawn of War 2 was my entry to the franchise. I became so unhealthily obsessed with it, scrounging even the wikia for every bit of information about it. Apparently, I even shouted, _"FOR THE EMPEROR!"_ one time in my sleep, according to my brother who happened to heard it.
Like a good imperial citizen does
You are truly blessed by His holy majesty
I feel what you are saying. There's worlds I like to explore more. Sometimes, you just have the itch to explore a world that has more value than it had left you with.
Warhammer: "We have no quality control, we'll literally give anyone a license to make our games."
As much as I love Mass Effect, it's possible that flooding the market with several different genres of games and media under a big IP could lead to something similar to Star Wars fatigue.
The Star Wars extend universe had way more output than anything Disney ever did. Disney has just done it really babdly
I think it's funny how he talked about ME3 multiplayer but then ignored that it's excluded from the remasters. That was EA and Bioware's way to make a quick buck by selling the same p2w crap to the same people again and also keep them invested in ME4 for a couple more years and they completely squandered it.
Star Wars is a former shell of itself but man did Disney milked it so dry. Not to mention Disney destroyed Star Wars in the process as well.
Star Wars fatigue exists because Disney put out poor quality big budget products back to back to back. If we were on Dragon Age 6 with every entry past DA2 being DA2 or worse, there'd be Dragon Age fatigue for sure.
there no such thing as "fatigue" or oversaturation in modern videogame market, with how little big AAA games pops out
The ups and downs of the Warhammer games have very much tempered my expectations, it's amazing how much more fun a game is when it's very good and you didn't expect it to be.
Warhammer 40K Lore is one of the most extensive things I have ever experienced. There are entire segments of lore about the weapons for Emperors sake. I love 40K. I'm in love with it.
The 40K games are complete hit or miss. But when they hit. THEY HIT HARD and they hit hard with a Vengeance. But when they miss. it feels like playing a wet Noodle. It's garbage. But 40K is still my most favorite universe hands down.
God to think someone could express my thoughts about all the franchises im waiting for just something for so well.
It's actually such a shame they didn't include ME3's multiplayer in the legendary edition. Yes, I'm still salty.
The whole legendary edition fiasco coming directly after Bioware abandoned Anthem was what finally persuaded me to personally blacklist EA. If they ever release anything worthwhile again - and that's a pretty big 'if' - then I'll pirate it.
I'm agree with your point, Game companies these days put all focus on Big budget AAA games, maximum profit but if it fail it will damage the IP.
Game industry could use more middle budget games, like those WH games, if these game fail it wouldn't hurt the bottom line so much.
In fact, because it's a middle budget game, fan would forgive some bugs or design flaws.
However, these middle budget games doesn't bring millions of profit that shareholder want, so Game companies ignored them.
"... Goblins to slaughter.."
OI! WHO'Z YOU CALLIN' A GOBLIN YA ZOGGIN' GIT?!
Your comment at 6:30 encapsulates me perfectly. I never knew much about 40k until I played Space Marine and I've delved deep into the lore ever since. Haven't had the courage to start playing the table top, since, well, I'm not made of money, but I'm still open to the idea. I'm very excited to play Space Marine 2 and didn't expect it to get a sequel.
I feel the same way about the Ace Combat series tbh. Strangereal is just too good of a universe to be left unexplored. I wouldn't even mind a shift in perspective, shame that stealth spin-off set in Sapin never got out. I'd enjoy it even if it sucked as long as I got to see more of the world I fell in love with.
I would love - LOVE - to play as one of the tankers fighting on the ground during the Monolith mission in AC7. Or even as one of the remnant forces during the push to Shilage Castle!
I think Naval or even a Submarine game would work. Just as long as as you don't play as the Oseans. They're not exactly known foe being subtle.
On the flipside, playing as an Yuktobanian or Erusian (Hehe Torres) sub commander would allow for way more story freedom.
A lot of people must, because I always find Ace Combat mods in games when I start digging for content. Hell, even Cities Skylines has Ace Combat content modded into it so people can build and govern in that world.
You mentioned War for Cybertron in the video. That game is my favorite game of all time. Transformers is my favorite thing ever, and it’s like you said. It’s a window into the universe I love the most. A well made window at that. Fighting on the ground during the Cybertronian great war was something I always dreamed of as a kid. And WFC delivers so well. Cybertron is represented amazingly in the game. The combat is fun and fluid, voice acting is top notch, story is fantastic. I wish other franchises I love could get games on par with WFC. But they probably never will.
*warps in from the future*
And you can add to the pile a Twisted Metal-esque racing game featuring orks and an RTS featuring the *other* Warhammer fantasy franchise!!
Meanwhile split second is still stuck on a freaking cliffhanger to this day
I'd love to see Raycevick's take on the BattleTech universe.
Now that it's back from the dead.
Don't forget May 20th is just around the corner.
Absolutely love to see Mass Effect 3's multiplayer still getting love to this day. It was such a surprisingly fantastic little addition to the game.
How could you forget about the Mass Effect theme park ride!
As a fan of warhammer for almost a decade now and 20 books into the Horus heresy, that ending was incredible. You 100% make great points and I love mass effect too and wish they had more that really encapsulates the original 3 games. Awesome vid man