Having Tom Bombadil a uniquely spiritually perfect being in Tolkiens world twist that line into maybe you shouldn’t save your friends rather than a message of mercy and grace is quite possibly the most sickening insult of anything else in the show.
As has been said elsewhere, Tim Benzedrino from Bored of the Rings probably had more in common with Tom Bombadil in LOTR than Amazon's clueless, misplaced, pointlessly reworked "interpretation". Although the Rings of Prime is pretty close to being a parody in its own right, tbh...
@@nomdeguerre8464 Those are stupid structurally. This is destructive on a spiritual level to Tolkien's work. Bombadil is sort of pre fall Edenic Man/Post Resurrection Restoration because his dialogue seems to point both ways, with dominion over his garden and all things within it. He is unaffected by the evil of the ring and Barrow Wights because I think in some sense he lives fully in Illuvatar's presence on Arda so nothing bother's him because it all seems small and distant in comparison. He's wise in his ignorance, living in the moment and not desiring more, but he isn't someone who should be involved in the story in any meaningful way because he doesn't really live fully in the world. He wouldn't and shouldn't make a lot of sense to people because he's anathema to the fallen state of the world. There's a lot of mystery surrounding Bombadil even to Tolkien, so take all this with a grain of salt, but this thing they've dragged out and shoved on the screen ain't even close to "interpretation".
@terrasur4168 I don't disagree. It's clear to me they are taking the approach to make TB Eru's middle earth avatar, whether they come out and say that or not. As opposed to his Schroedinger's existence that Tolkien left him as.
@@aleksander8497 she taught him everything he knows. Better yet, she raised her female child to be man so she could he the 'king' is a misogynistic world.
Gandalf coming back from the dead had less of an impact on his personality and mind compared to the time he was apparently shipped overnight from Valinor to Middle Earth.
Apparently Amazon decided to create a Luke Skystranger long ago, they just can't stop. He had to fall from the sky, learn from a master, to understand the secret force. Now he's gonna choose between his friends and further training. They don't care who Gandalf is.
One show to fool them all. One show to blind them. One show to bring them all, and in the darkness.. bore them. In the land of Hollywood where the activists lie.
@@edgarbm6407 It is very difficult to properly articulate just how creatively bankrupt the average Hollywood activist is to the point absolutely any random person outside their circles can unironically come up with something that's thousands of times better.
I agree. Please consider supporting independent projects which actually CARE about storytelling, character arcs, literary techniques, thematic underpinnings, world-building, and so much more. 🐲✨🐲✨🐲✨ "Before I start, I must see my end. Destination known, my mind's journey now begins. Upon my chariot, heart and soul's fate revealed. In time, all points converge; hope's strength, resteeled. But to earn final peace at the universe's endless refrain, we must see all in nothingness... before we start again." 🐲✨🐲✨🐲✨ --Diamond Dragons (series)
@@PROVOCATEURSK Jackson’s trilogy was also sponsored by pure capitalists in Warner Bros, difference is, they invested in serious professionals and let them bring Tolkien’s world to the big screen without interruption. Amazon on the other hand sunk millions in ROP, but hired talentless hacks, more interested in political activism than telling a story 👎
I regret that I do not have a coffee mug that says "F-ck off show" from which to sip, because if there's any show that deserves a hearty "f-ck off," it's Rings of Power.
Bombadil should have been more original and said to Gandalf, "If you leave now, help them you could, but you will destroy all for which they have fought and suffered"
@@MaryRohwer I'm having difficulty picturing a 516 year old Yoda, prancing about and singing "Hey dol! merry dol! ring a dong dillo!" perhaps one of these 1950s Super Panavision 70 channels could cover that?
These are writes with tin-ears who can't hear how the best sentences flow easily off the tongue and that like poetry it makes them more powerful when they do. Swapping round the two main clauses wrecks the flow, and in part the meaning. Instead of some people deserving death and some deserving life... with the emphasis on whether a person can give back life (frex if you've made a mistake in killing them), it becomes that some deserved life but are dead and some are alive who deserve death... and yes, you can absolutely kill someone who deserves death, if you believe you should be the judge of that... it isn't the same meaning at all. I'm not surprised it was hard for an actor to say.
Even so, it'd be *SO* much more powerful if everyone rallied around independent projects which are great in lieu of revisiting corporate crap we already know is abominable. Well... that's *my* opinion, at least. 🐲✨🐲✨🐲✨ "Before I start, I must see my end. Destination known, my mind's journey now begins. Upon my chariot, heart and soul's fate revealed. In time, all points converge; hope's strength, resteeled. But to earn final peace at the universe's endless refrain, we must see all in nothingness... before we start again." 🐲✨🐲✨🐲✨ --Diamond Dragons (series)
Most of this show is just wasting time anyway though. So many scenes are completely pointless and could be removed entirely and even the ones that are necessary at about 4 times as long as they need to be. If he hadn't just been a terribly written Yoda/all knowing god character. And actually been interesting instead then his character could have been fun. Like if he had been just completely aloof to everything and wise in his bluntness to a point you can't tell if he's stupid or genius. That could be funny. Have gandalf be like "am I supposed to go, should I stay?" "Bey heck that an 'ard one innit. I mean if you spend too long ere you might be late to help 'em. OoooOooOo look some ripe gooseberries."
I'm reading through the LOTR books for the first time after having watched the movies all my life. Seeing just how much care Tolkien put into this world makes me all the more disgusted at this show.
You're lucky. I read the books all my life before watching the movies and I could never really enjoy them as I was picking up on the differences all the time, specially all those unnecessary ones...
Great to see that this has inspired you to read one of the great literary works. The writing is so good, you immediately are transported into the world. I've read them maybe 20 times, and I'm reading them again now too. The writing is brilliant. Even just the prologue "Concerning Hobbits" had me immediately immersed in the world.
@Pagan-X Yeah I guess I first read the Lord of The Rings about 46 years ago, and I have my hardback copy in my hand right now. I just left an extensive comment about the history of the Hobbits, which is in the Prologue, and instantly transports me into the world when I read it. It's the way Tolkien describes it almost documentary style, as if he's writing about a real people that draws me in.
The quote from the actual Lord of the Rings (and not this atrocious Rings of Prime abomination) is an exhortation toward mercy and not casually killing those who you may think of as wretched and deserving of death, followed up by the words 'be not too hasty to deal out death in judgement; not even the very wise can see all ends'. Of course, the idiots in charge of this series repurposed the quote into the counsel that not-Gandalf should abandon his companions to torment and death (you know, the very thing Aragorn, Gimli and Legolas refused to do when Merry and Pippin were captured, even though the odds of saving them seemed astronomically long) to instead claim a magic stick in pursuit of a callously expedient notion of the 'greater good', a mindset Tolkien rejected in his works and identified as a form of evil. I would like to be generous and say that this is the product of simple stupidity of such magnitude that the showrunners are incapable of understanding what Tolkien was saying, but given the prior track record of this show, it smacks much more of deliberate malice - another calculated slight to Professor Tolkien and the mythos he built.
I remember reading the books as a kid 12-13ish and asking my dad why Bilbo and Frodo spared Gollum, since he caused nothing but evil. He told me read it again when you are older, listen to what Gandalf is saying (the quote you mentioned) and talk to me again if I’m around. The older I got, the more I understood, never talked to my old man about it though. I’m 32 now, he passed away a few months ago, I wish I could tell him that I finally understand 🥲 Amazon are absolutely evil for trying to twist Tolkien’s message. It’s not just corporate greed, this is an attack on our morals as a society
To be fair, half of the zoomers you see watching this movie for the first time constantly make these harry potter references. One even though Ian McKellon played Dumbledore too.
@@MaryRohwer Uruk Kai were Sorumans orcs from Isenguard. The ones with the white hand. I could be wrong, but I don't think they would have existed at this point.
Derek Malcolm called the film Gettysburg [1993] 'Gettysbeard'. Because of the amount of palpably false facial hair on display in it. I love that film to death, but once you've heard that comment you can never not unsee it. When I saw the first still on Tom Bombadil from this season, I was reminded of it. Because that beard is so obviously false it sticks out like a sore thumb
@@MaryRohwer Because it is utterly ridiculous that an orc can have a "family" that cradles him and shows compassion...Tolkien literally names them "the people of hate" multiple times. An orc hates other orcs including its offsprings. Hate is all they know. Otherwise, someone would have to explain how in 50k pages of lore we do not come across a single orc doing a single good deed. All they "love" is defiling and mutilating other beings, including their offsprings if they get the chance. It is unlikely that an orc is ever an infant in the same sense as a human or an elf, based on what Tolkien wrote about them. What ROP is trying to do is to show them as misunderstood and oppressed. Tolkien is a beyblade in his grave by now.
@@takuid I completely agree with you. It's hard for them to make a good adaptation of Tolkien's story, or any story for that matter, when every story is the story of oppressor vs. oppressed.
The issue for me is less the use of lines from the book, but more how it is used. In the books Gandalf is talking about Gollum and how even someone as terrible as him deserves compassion and mercy. But instead this show tries to present it in the context of not saving someone. It’s such a misunderstanding of what Toilken wrote.
He got off a boat in the third age and got an elven ring from Cirdan. Galadriel walked from Valinor to Middle Earth. But in the second age somebody threw Gandalf across the world and took his memory away,
Tom Bombadil - "Gandalf I am your father" Gandalf - "There can only be one!" Tom Bombadil - "What light through yonder window breaks" Gandalf - "I'll be back"
"Remember, whenever you are watching the Lord of the Rings trilogy, all the cool lines those iconic characters say? They actually got them from our goofy ass cosplayers!!!"
Incoherent plot happens to characters meandering up until season 1's "battle climax". Season 2, ditto. Season 3, yep, same again no doubt. Truly a cinematic masterpiece for the ages. (Somewhere between the dark ages and the cabbages).
I'm so glad we're finally getting the origin story of Gandalf's staff. It's not like the whole nature of the wizards' staffs is left intentionally ambiguous in the books, or wait, it actually is. They could just be any old regular sticks that the wizards use to channel their power for all we know. Thank you Amazon, for simplifying yet another piece of Tolkien's works into generic Marvel-tier goop.
The literary Gandalf was perceived by Círdan to be the wisest wizard almost from the moment he stepped off the ship from the Blessed Realm, so much so that Círdan handed him Narya, one of the three Elven Rings of Power. Gandalf was not some dumbass who needed extensive training, least of all under Tom Bombadil.
I'm not embarrassed to say I checked out halfway through season 1? I fast forwarded through most episodes, laughed my way through the finale and cancelled my Amazon subscription!
It does change the entire backstory of the Balrog, though. They wake it up incredibly early in this version, so it has nothing to do for the next few thousand years. It’s bored off its arse. So, in the actual Lord of the Rings, it showing up is it running to meet the only new people it’s come across in all that time. It wants new friends. It plays stick-fighting. Then, when its stick breaks, it takes out a jump rope. But then it falls down.
Well, they didn't disturb it until after the events of The Hobbit. Balin and the other dwarves go to make Kazad-Dum a great place again, and dig up the Balrog.
Has everyone decided this the character has to be Gandalf? It breaks cannon because Gandalf didn't arrive to Middle Earth until the 3rd age, and this is the 2nd age.
Which age was Isuldur from? This is supposed to be the time that the rings were forged. Doesn't that mean that the nine kings that had the rings lived in Middle Earth in the 2nd age? Also, did Isuldur fight the Nine in that age or was he one of the Nine? I'm under the impression that Isuldur fought the Nine only to take the One Ring for himself, but I'm not sure.
They've somehow created a situation where if it is Gandalf, it's really stupid because there's been so many hints that that's who it is so it's not actually a mystery like they're treating it. But if it's not Gandalf it's also really stupid because there's so many hints it's Gandalf and no one else, so all the hints in hindsight would just be them trying really, really hard to "surprise" you. Either way, it's stupid.
@@MaryRohwer Isildur is at the very end of the 2nd age. The 2nd age ends when Isildur cuts the Ring from Sauron's hand and destroyed Sauron's physical form thus winning the War of the Last Alliance.
@@edgarbm6407 That makes sense that Gandalf appears on the scene in the 3rd age after the age of Isuldur; He went to the archives researching Isuldur and that would not have made sense if they had been contemporaries. (Also, I found it interesting that Isuldur also called it his 'precious' in those writings.)
The only thing the writers took from the descriptions of Tom was that he was incredibly old and extremely powerful. They skipped all the stuff about him being whimsical, super happy...etc...😮💨
Tom Bombadil is just Yoda from Empire Strikes Back here. "Chose your friends and suffer or stay and finish your training." They're running out of things to steal from Peter Jackson's trilogy so they are going for George Lucas's.
Having no imagination…that’s gonna make it hard to write a hit TV series based off of a massive IP isn’t it? Actually, it’s gonna be super easy, barely an inconvenience! Oh really? Yeah, we’re just gonna write some words to fill up some pages, then we’ll have a script! That works!
This highlights a major problem. Many say that they are Tolkien fans when they really mean that they are fans of Peter Jackson's trilogy. There is an enormous difference. It's pretty clear where the makers of _The Rings of Power_ stand.
There's going to be a scene in the end where he's looking into a mirror holding his new stick while practicing: "you SHALL not pass.. YOU SHALL not paaassss... YOOOUUU! Shall not PASS!! you shaaaaall noooooooot pass!" They'll end the scene/season on him doing that like fifteen times in a row because of course to amazon....thats good writing.
I do not know how you guys missed this with the Balrog set up in the show. They 100% are going to tie in the book Gandalf reads from before Pippin knocks the bucket over. And say maybe verbatim “we cannot get out. A shadow moves in the dark”. And then we will have the balrog scene. Honestly if that doesn’t happen I’ll be surprised at this point.
I know from certain individuals who have connections to the show that allegedly, it was a nightmare behind the scenes. people were fired left and right, writers couldn't agree what story they wanted to tell, the show was originally about a young Aragorn, some wanted to adapt the Silmarillion but didn't have the adaption rights to the book, the Tolkien estate giving them a long list of things they could and couldn't do on the show such as referencing the movies (even though the showrunners wanted to connect ROP to the movies) writers being fired because they wanted to insert more woke elemets into the show and was met with disapproval, Tolkien selling out to Bezos on his tantalizing and money venture in making LOTR into the next Game of Thrones (which we all know how highly successful that was) a Tolkien scholar being fired, COVID19 impacting everything, the originally being 10 episodes but somewhere being changed to 8 instead, Jeff Bezos allegedly visiting the set and was furious on what he saw and demanded changes to be made in the middle of shooting. All in all, this show was produced with everyone's hands tied behind their backs, not really knowing what they wanted to do and the clock was ticking, and the best they could come up with was fan fiction.
You've not considered the legendary literary device: "subverting expectations". Primarily pointing us at Gandalf, leaving a small chance of it being a blue wizard, then revealing... It's OBI WAB KENOBI! Crossover baby $$$!
There'll be some reference to orc who is probably someones personal assistant holding a giant door closed behind some aspiring young middle earth hobbit in a chamber with the orc who's prosthetics were based off Harvey wenisteins face and she will say...... "you shall not pass". That's where grandelf will witness the iconic line for the first time.
Gandalf is an ANGEL who has existed since the begining of Time. He was chosen as an Istari - Wise One, Wise-ard, Wizard - by GOD to help MIddle Earth to resist a fallen Angel, who is the servant of Satan. Or, some piss smelling tramp with NO wisdom, turning up 2000 years too early to do a job that doesnt exist yet because Sauron hasn't been defeated and lost the Ring.
What they say: "We went back to the book." What they mean: "We ripped off Peter Jackson over and over again, not comprehending what made the lines or scenes so great." They're producing a cruel mockery of beauty - they're Morgoth, and they don't even realise it.
I would LOVE to see a Drinkers Chasers/After Hours with MauLer, Disparu, HeelvsBabyface, TheLittlePlatoon, and Nerdrotic. Just those 6. That'd be epic ^_^
Ah the old "It cost a billion dollars it must be good" mentality. I remember how successful cheap shows were back in the day. Ninja Turtles, Power rangers, Hercules and Xena, all shows made on the cheap yet still exploded in popularity and spawned multiple seasons and spin-offs and sold millions of action figures. Amazon coughs up a billion dollars and barely rally any excitement. That's when you know you're doing something incredibly wrong.
Gandalf came from Valinor during the Third Age with an assigned task of helping the peoples of Middle-Earth to defeat Sauron. He wasn't confused. He didn't need coaching. A part of my take on Tom Bombadil was that he was also Tulkas. He came running up out of the South at a critical moment and kicked Melkor's ass.
'You're a wizard, Gandalf.' 'I'm a what?' 'A wizard...and a thumpin good'un I'd wager, once you've trained up a little.' ...and he was off to Hogwarts to learn some stuff so he could smash the ring...er....
That was Tom Bombadil? Not even close to how I imagined him. Most importantly, I seem to recall, the goings on in this world are so unimportant to him, he barely gives them thought. Why is he pontificating to Gandalf... Oh, and that Gandolf, looks like he's from a school play!
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Having Tom Bombadil a uniquely spiritually perfect being in Tolkiens world twist that line into maybe you shouldn’t save your friends rather than a message of mercy and grace is quite possibly the most sickening insult of anything else in the show.
As has been said elsewhere, Tim Benzedrino from Bored of the Rings probably had more in common with Tom Bombadil in LOTR than Amazon's clueless, misplaced, pointlessly reworked "interpretation".
Although the Rings of Prime is pretty close to being a parody in its own right, tbh...
I think them waking up Durin's Bane an age and a half too early is pretty bad too.
And the ring creation order.
@@nomdeguerre8464 Those are stupid structurally. This is destructive on a spiritual level to Tolkien's work. Bombadil is sort of pre fall Edenic Man/Post Resurrection Restoration because his dialogue seems to point both ways, with dominion over his garden and all things within it. He is unaffected by the evil of the ring and Barrow Wights because I think in some sense he lives fully in Illuvatar's presence on Arda so nothing bother's him because it all seems small and distant in comparison. He's wise in his ignorance, living in the moment and not desiring more, but he isn't someone who should be involved in the story in any meaningful way because he doesn't really live fully in the world. He wouldn't and shouldn't make a lot of sense to people because he's anathema to the fallen state of the world. There's a lot of mystery surrounding Bombadil even to Tolkien, so take all this with a grain of salt, but this thing they've dragged out and shoved on the screen ain't even close to "interpretation".
@terrasur4168 I don't disagree. It's clear to me they are taking the approach to make TB Eru's middle earth avatar, whether they come out and say that or not.
As opposed to his Schroedinger's existence that Tolkien left him as.
@@nomdeguerre8464 Oh dear God please no that would make what he said so, so much worse.
If Gandalf can remember this phrase over 3,000 years later, why can't he remember which door to take in Moria?
Halfling weed is a hell of a drug.
@@pablom-f8762 You mean tobacco?
@@wilhufftarkin8543 The Hornblowers cut Old Toby with meth.
His love of the halfing’s leaf has surely dulled his mind.
3000 years of memory takes time to locate stuff 1,000 years ago
"You shall not pass" - some woman that inspired Gandalf. Without her, Gandalf would be nothing.
"It's Ma'am!"
Some first-age transformer Maiar with a "staff," probably.
Some random woman who just mopped the floor
Of course. They haven't touched Aragorn (yet), but if they did, his early life would be all about his mother no doubt.
@@aleksander8497 she taught him everything he knows.
Better yet, she raised her female child to be man so she could he the 'king' is a misogynistic world.
If was his football coach telling him to run the ball on the goal line to avoid interceptions.
“You’re a wizard Gandalf!”
Tom Hagridil
Why not? Hagrid may as well show up in this!!
@@knightsofrreee7961 I did NOT need to read that. Fucking Tom Hagridil
Pinball Wizard
You're a wizard, Garry!
Gandalf is literally an angel and doesn't need to be taught
but he does need a stick!
Gandalf coming back from the dead had less of an impact on his personality and mind compared to the time he was apparently shipped overnight from Valinor to Middle Earth.
'you must be an angel, because you look like you fell from heaven .. onto your face'
Apparently Amazon decided to create a Luke Skystranger long ago, they just can't stop. He had to fall from the sky, learn from a master, to understand the secret force. Now he's gonna choose between his friends and further training.
They don't care who Gandalf is.
I have to disagree. In Valinor, he learned under the vala Nienna-the Vala of compassion and grief. Under her, he helped learn compassion and pity.
One show to fool them all.
One show to blind them.
One show to bring them all, and in the darkness.. bore them. In the land of Hollywood where the activists lie.
Honestly, there's more creativity in a YT comment section than a billion dollar production. Good job man.
@@edgarbm6407 It is very difficult to properly articulate just how creatively bankrupt the average Hollywood activist is to the point absolutely any random person outside their circles can unironically come up with something that's thousands of times better.
Perfect sir. U win the internet today😊
The one show of MANYYYYYYYYY!
@@TJCID22 The power of Moneyyyyy
What Rings of Power has done is a crime against literature. 🎉
Do what I do. Just don't acknowledge this absurd series.
It’s a crime against humanity
I agree. Please consider supporting independent projects which actually CARE about storytelling, character arcs, literary techniques, thematic underpinnings, world-building, and so much more.
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"Before I start, I must see my end. Destination known, my mind's journey now begins. Upon my chariot, heart and soul's fate revealed. In time, all points converge; hope's strength, resteeled. But to earn final peace at the universe's endless refrain, we must see all in nothingness... before we start again."
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--Diamond Dragons (series)
It´s the work of capitalists, what did you expect?
@@PROVOCATEURSK Jackson’s trilogy was also sponsored by pure capitalists in Warner Bros, difference is, they invested in serious professionals and let them bring Tolkien’s world to the big screen without interruption. Amazon on the other hand sunk millions in ROP, but hired talentless hacks, more interested in political activism than telling a story 👎
_Rings of Power_ turned Tom Bombadil into non-ironic Basil Exposition.
Basil Fawlty?😂
“Gandalf, I am your father”
Tim Bombadil~ RoP
One fan theory is that tolkien wrote himself into the book. So tom being the father of everyone can be true.
The real staff is the friends we made along the way. Perfect.
I regret that I do not have a coffee mug that says "F-ck off show" from which to sip, because if there's any show that deserves a hearty "f-ck off," it's Rings of Power.
Bombadil should have been more original and said to Gandalf, "If you leave now, help them you could, but you will destroy all for which they have fought and suffered"
Lol. Tom Bombadil as Yoda. That's funny. I'm now rethinking the book: Yoda and Goldberry, Yoda and the barrow-wights....lol
@@MaryRohwer I'm having difficulty picturing a 516 year old Yoda, prancing about and singing "Hey dol! merry dol! ring a dong dillo!" perhaps one of these 1950s Super Panavision 70 channels could cover that?
@@rhagfyr987 🤣🤣🤣🤣Yellow Yoda's boots are.
I love the look of 1950's Super Panavision. That sounds fun to me.
@@rhagfyr987 I think it would be awesome to see that Yoda!
Classic line from such an epic movie. If only they could make the same quality of films like ESB?
Wow, the delivery of that line was clunky.
These are writes with tin-ears who can't hear how the best sentences flow easily off the tongue and that like poetry it makes them more powerful when they do. Swapping round the two main clauses wrecks the flow, and in part the meaning. Instead of some people deserving death and some deserving life... with the emphasis on whether a person can give back life (frex if you've made a mistake in killing them), it becomes that some deserved life but are dead and some are alive who deserve death... and yes, you can absolutely kill someone who deserves death, if you believe you should be the judge of that... it isn't the same meaning at all. I'm not surprised it was hard for an actor to say.
The only positive thing about Rings of Power getting a second season is we get to hear the Drinker roast it some more.
Even so, it'd be *SO* much more powerful if everyone rallied around independent projects which are great in lieu of revisiting corporate crap we already know is abominable. Well... that's *my* opinion, at least.
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"Before I start, I must see my end. Destination known, my mind's journey now begins. Upon my chariot, heart and soul's fate revealed. In time, all points converge; hope's strength, resteeled. But to earn final peace at the universe's endless refrain, we must see all in nothingness... before we start again."
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--Diamond Dragons (series)
Disparu does a great job of it too, and I'm missing Little Platoon commentary for season 2 very much
You can see the massive difference between the two actors. The Bombldill guy is like a middle school play compared to Ian McKellan.
It came off as some cheap infomercial they play in schools.
Former actor here. You're not wrong. To quote Nimoy as Galvatron... "This is bad comedy, Starscream."
Gandalf will tell a Transgender, "You SHALL pass!"
One of the best the decisions in the LOTR trilogy was to leave Tom Bombadil out of it
@@mablesfatalfable6021 I don't hate the character of Bombadil but in the movies there was no place for him at all
To keep him secret. Keep him safe.
Most of this show is just wasting time anyway though. So many scenes are completely pointless and could be removed entirely and even the ones that are necessary at about 4 times as long as they need to be.
If he hadn't just been a terribly written Yoda/all knowing god character. And actually been interesting instead then his character could have been fun.
Like if he had been just completely aloof to everything and wise in his bluntness to a point you can't tell if he's stupid or genius. That could be funny.
Have gandalf be like "am I supposed to go, should I stay?"
"Bey heck that an 'ard one innit. I mean if you spend too long ere you might be late to help 'em. OoooOooOo look some ripe gooseberries."
@@ge2719 The show is just bad fan fiction
I'm reading through the LOTR books for the first time after having watched the movies all my life. Seeing just how much care Tolkien put into this world makes me all the more disgusted at this show.
You're lucky. I read the books all my life before watching the movies and I could never really enjoy them as I was picking up on the differences all the time, specially all those unnecessary ones...
At least it was made by people who loved lotr… unlike this
@@eduj pardon my cynicism, but one can question the measure of that love by how much they stray from the material that's the object of such love.
Great to see that this has inspired you to read one of the great literary works. The writing is so good, you immediately are transported into the world. I've read them maybe 20 times, and I'm reading them again now too. The writing is brilliant. Even just the prologue "Concerning Hobbits" had me immediately immersed in the world.
@Pagan-X Yeah I guess I first read the Lord of The Rings about 46 years ago, and I have my hardback copy in my hand right now. I just left an extensive comment about the history of the Hobbits, which is in the Prologue, and instantly transports me into the world when I read it. It's the way Tolkien describes it almost documentary style, as if he's writing about a real people that draws me in.
The quote from the actual Lord of the Rings (and not this atrocious Rings of Prime abomination) is an exhortation toward mercy and not casually killing those who you may think of as wretched and deserving of death, followed up by the words 'be not too hasty to deal out death in judgement; not even the very wise can see all ends'. Of course, the idiots in charge of this series repurposed the quote into the counsel that not-Gandalf should abandon his companions to torment and death (you know, the very thing Aragorn, Gimli and Legolas refused to do when Merry and Pippin were captured, even though the odds of saving them seemed astronomically long) to instead claim a magic stick in pursuit of a callously expedient notion of the 'greater good', a mindset Tolkien rejected in his works and identified as a form of evil. I would like to be generous and say that this is the product of simple stupidity of such magnitude that the showrunners are incapable of understanding what Tolkien was saying, but given the prior track record of this show, it smacks much more of deliberate malice - another calculated slight to Professor Tolkien and the mythos he built.
I remember reading the books as a kid 12-13ish and asking my dad why Bilbo and Frodo spared Gollum, since he caused nothing but evil. He told me read it again when you are older, listen to what Gandalf is saying (the quote you mentioned) and talk to me again if I’m around. The older I got, the more I understood, never talked to my old man about it though. I’m 32 now, he passed away a few months ago, I wish I could tell him that I finally understand 🥲
Amazon are absolutely evil for trying to twist Tolkien’s message. It’s not just corporate greed, this is an attack on our morals as a society
I agree, this show isn't incompetent, it's deliberately malicious. Even the most casual reader of Tolkien's work couldn't make a show this bad.
Maybe the real wizards staff was the friends we made along the way.
Your a wizard, Gandalf. Off to Hogwarts with you.
To be fair, half of the zoomers you see watching this movie for the first time constantly make these harry potter references. One even though Ian McKellon played Dumbledore too.
Remember Orc can be an offensive term. Refer to them as Uruk.
Cause Uruk is better?
You'd still be calling them blood thirsty, hate filled monster, who love hurting people.
The Fighting Uruk-kai were not normal orcs. They were stronger and more resistant to sun, probably because of cross-breding with humans.
oh wow it was orc, now it is uruk, imagine what it will be next week...
Did this show really say that orc was an offensive term? and that they should be called Uruks? Was that really a line in the script?
@@MaryRohwer Uruk Kai were Sorumans orcs from Isenguard. The ones with the white hand. I could be wrong, but I don't think they would have existed at this point.
The quote was said so badly too! Rrrrrr
Derek Malcolm called the film Gettysburg [1993] 'Gettysbeard'. Because of the amount of palpably false facial hair on display in it. I love that film to death, but once you've heard that comment you can never not unsee it. When I saw the first still on Tom Bombadil from this season, I was reminded of it. Because that beard is so obviously false it sticks out like a sore thumb
RIP Derek Malcolm.
"You're a Jedi now Gandalf. Set your staff to stun and slay 'He-Who-Shall-Not-Be-Named"
They just tacked the script to a wall and shot it with a LoTR movie 12 guage round. Can't believe they turned Tom into Yoda.
The old that is strong does not wither.
Deep roots are not touched by the frost.
No matter how bad Rings of Bezos gets... Tolkien will persist.
It's nice that this show is not in any way canon, just a bad adaptation.
@@MaryRohwer it is not adapting anything Tolkien wrote, I can tell you that.
@@takuid Seeing orc families in the reviews flabbergasted me. I cannot even imagine Tolkien writing anything like that.
@@MaryRohwer Because it is utterly ridiculous that an orc can have a "family" that cradles him and shows compassion...Tolkien literally names them "the people of hate" multiple times. An orc hates other orcs including its offsprings. Hate is all they know. Otherwise, someone would have to explain how in 50k pages of lore we do not come across a single orc doing a single good deed. All they "love" is defiling and mutilating other beings, including their offsprings if they get the chance.
It is unlikely that an orc is ever an infant in the same sense as a human or an elf, based on what Tolkien wrote about them. What ROP is trying to do is to show them as misunderstood and oppressed. Tolkien is a beyblade in his grave by now.
@@takuid I completely agree with you. It's hard for them to make a good adaptation of Tolkien's story, or any story for that matter, when every story is the story of oppressor vs. oppressed.
The issue for me is less the use of lines from the book, but more how it is used. In the books Gandalf is talking about Gollum and how even someone as terrible as him deserves compassion and mercy. But instead this show tries to present it in the context of not saving someone. It’s such a misunderstanding of what Toilken wrote.
As if gandalf needed training like he's some jedi padawan
He got off a boat in the third age and got an elven ring from Cirdan. Galadriel walked from Valinor to Middle Earth. But in the second age somebody threw Gandalf across the world and took his memory away,
“You Hob-bit my whole shlit, you uninspired hack” - Tolkien, Epic Rap Battles
Can't wait for the sitcom spinoff "Tom & Gandy" where they run the Prancing Pony Inn and always get into shenanigans.
I would actually watch that. 😂
Tom Bombadil - "Gandalf I am your father"
Gandalf - "There can only be one!"
Tom Bombadil - "What light through yonder window breaks"
Gandalf - "I'll be back"
"Remember, whenever you are watching the Lord of the Rings trilogy, all the cool lines those iconic characters say? They actually got them from our goofy ass cosplayers!!!"
So Gandalf is Luke Skywalker now?
Great.
Or Goku and Tom is Kaiosama.
Talent.
When you have no Talent.
No Drinker, THE STORY is superfluous to the story!
Incoherent plot happens to characters meandering up until season 1's "battle climax".
Season 2, ditto.
Season 3, yep, same again no doubt.
Truly a cinematic masterpiece for the ages. (Somewhere between the dark ages and the cabbages).
I love how the bottle in the background perfectly aligns with AZs mood
I'm so glad we're finally getting the origin story of Gandalf's staff. It's not like the whole nature of the wizards' staffs is left intentionally ambiguous in the books, or wait, it actually is. They could just be any old regular sticks that the wizards use to channel their power for all we know. Thank you Amazon, for simplifying yet another piece of Tolkien's works into generic Marvel-tier goop.
The literary Gandalf was perceived by Círdan to be the wisest wizard almost from the moment he stepped off the ship from the Blessed Realm, so much so that Círdan handed him Narya, one of the three Elven Rings of Power. Gandalf was not some dumbass who needed extensive training, least of all under Tom Bombadil.
Gotta pad that run time somehow... It's Plagiarising Time!
"Gandalf you're a wizard"
"i'm....i'm a whaaa?"
I'm not embarrassed to say I checked out halfway through season 1? I fast forwarded through most episodes, laughed my way through the finale and cancelled my Amazon subscription!
It does change the entire backstory of the Balrog, though. They wake it up incredibly early in this version, so it has nothing to do for the next few thousand years. It’s bored off its arse. So, in the actual Lord of the Rings, it showing up is it running to meet the only new people it’s come across in all that time. It wants new friends. It plays stick-fighting. Then, when its stick breaks, it takes out a jump rope. But then it falls down.
Well, they didn't disturb it until after the events of The Hobbit. Balin and the other dwarves go to make Kazad-Dum a great place again, and dig up the Balrog.
I was utterly flabberghasted when Ganondorf said "What are you, some kind of Lord of the Rings?"
You're a wizard gandalf, and a thumpin good one...
Has everyone decided this the character has to be Gandalf? It breaks cannon because Gandalf didn't arrive to Middle Earth until the 3rd age, and this is the 2nd age.
Yes, well they play fast and loose with the timeline. Look at the ring creation. And they're already awakening Durin's Bane
Which age was Isuldur from? This is supposed to be the time that the rings were forged. Doesn't that mean that the nine kings that had the rings lived in Middle Earth in the 2nd age? Also, did Isuldur fight the Nine in that age or was he one of the Nine? I'm under the impression that Isuldur fought the Nine only to take the One Ring for himself, but I'm not sure.
They've somehow created a situation where if it is Gandalf, it's really stupid because there's been so many hints that that's who it is so it's not actually a mystery like they're treating it. But if it's not Gandalf it's also really stupid because there's so many hints it's Gandalf and no one else, so all the hints in hindsight would just be them trying really, really hard to "surprise" you. Either way, it's stupid.
@@MaryRohwer Isildur is at the very end of the 2nd age. The 2nd age ends when Isildur cuts the Ring from Sauron's hand and destroyed Sauron's physical form thus winning the War of the Last Alliance.
@@edgarbm6407 That makes sense that Gandalf appears on the scene in the 3rd age after the age of Isuldur; He went to the archives researching Isuldur and that would not have made sense if they had been contemporaries. (Also, I found it interesting that Isuldur also called it his 'precious' in those writings.)
You know that female Sam and female Frodo are going to end up being the founders of the shire about 1,500 years to early.
The only thing the writers took from the descriptions of Tom was that he was incredibly old and extremely powerful. They skipped all the stuff about him being whimsical, super happy...etc...😮💨
When Gandalf gets a kidney stone he says you better f***ing pass right now
“Be excellent to each other and party on dudes!” - Tom Bombadil
Tom Bombadil is just Yoda from Empire Strikes Back here. "Chose your friends and suffer or stay and finish your training."
They're running out of things to steal from Peter Jackson's trilogy so they are going for George Lucas's.
Having no imagination…that’s gonna make it hard to write a hit TV series based off of a massive IP isn’t it?
Actually, it’s gonna be super easy, barely an inconvenience!
Oh really?
Yeah, we’re just gonna write some words to fill up some pages, then we’ll have a script!
That works!
Thx COUZINZ - WHAT aboot the "BELROG CHILD" ?! - S.3 be aboot working BELROG mom by day & flaming lunitic by nite - lol 🍀🇨🇦⚜️
Tom Bombadil? What do you... Oh, you mean Hippie Baratheon?
Hey, Robert Baratheon was probably the best, single most book-accurate character in GoT. How dare you associate the family name with this... thing.
@@Herr_Affe To be fair, His family name is already associated with Renly and Joffrey...
It won't be the Balrog. It'll be the GALROG!
the fact that they decided to touch Tom Bombadil at all is a testament to their incompetence
A wizard arrives to save his friends when he means to.
We should all make a 'stolen quote' bingo card.
"Your a wizard, Gandalf..."
"You're a wizard, Gandy!"
a crime against culture
"Yer a wizard, Gandalf!"
Gandalf will save Nori and then get his staff as a reward. Then he will slam it into the ground and say: "It's good!"
This highlights a major problem. Many say that they are Tolkien fans when they really mean that they are fans of Peter Jackson's trilogy. There is an enormous difference. It's pretty clear where the makers of _The Rings of Power_ stand.
It is clear to me that both most fans and haters of RoP are PJ fans
@@reek4062 Exactly.
@@reek4062As a PJ LOTR fan, I confirm this and I don’t plan on watching a single episode
There's going to be a scene in the end where he's looking into a mirror holding his new stick while practicing: "you SHALL not pass.. YOU SHALL not paaassss... YOOOUUU! Shall not PASS!!
you shaaaaall noooooooot pass!"
They'll end the scene/season on him doing that like fifteen times in a row because of course to amazon....thats good writing.
I love it when AZ get riled up and goes on a screaming rant. You guys need to instigate him into at least one tirade per show.❤
Just hearing about this show gives me mental trauma.
I do not know how you guys missed this with the Balrog set up in the show.
They 100% are going to tie in the book Gandalf reads from before Pippin knocks the bucket over. And say maybe verbatim “we cannot get out. A shadow moves in the dark”. And then we will have the balrog scene.
Honestly if that doesn’t happen I’ll be surprised at this point.
the best bit will be when bildi tramadol tells Grandalf *"you're a hazard wizzy, and a damn bad one"* then Grandalf quidditches all over the place.
"Bury him. Make sure no one sees this"
DUDE!! YOU ARE IN BROAD DAYLIGHT WITH 30 PEOPLE WALKING AROUND IN THE BACKGROUND!!!!! THEY'VE SEEN HIM!!!!!!
reading the books and watched the PJ movies- I refuse to let Rings of power burn out my eyes
If someone had a sneaky sense of humor, they'd buy the rights to "Bored of the Rings" and make it into an over the top, woke send up. :D
Moxie and Pepsi. Goodgulf the wizard.
"In his hand he carried an ancient and trustworthy weapon, called by the elves a Browning semi-automatic."
@@Alboalt Beware! The mighty Ballhog! Dribble-dribble-dribble, shoot-shoot-shoot.
Dildo Teabaggins and his nephew Frito.
I know from certain individuals who have connections to the show that allegedly, it was a nightmare behind the scenes. people were fired left and right, writers couldn't agree what story they wanted to tell, the show was originally about a young Aragorn, some wanted to adapt the Silmarillion but didn't have the adaption rights to the book, the Tolkien estate giving them a long list of things they could and couldn't do on the show such as referencing the movies (even though the showrunners wanted to connect ROP to the movies) writers being fired because they wanted to insert more woke elemets into the show and was met with disapproval, Tolkien selling out to Bezos on his tantalizing and money venture in making LOTR into the next Game of Thrones (which we all know how highly successful that was) a Tolkien scholar being fired, COVID19 impacting everything, the originally being 10 episodes but somewhere being changed to 8 instead, Jeff Bezos allegedly visiting the set and was furious on what he saw and demanded changes to be made in the middle of shooting. All in all, this show was produced with everyone's hands tied behind their backs, not really knowing what they wanted to do and the clock was ticking, and the best they could come up with was fan fiction.
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You've not considered the legendary literary device: "subverting expectations".
Primarily pointing us at Gandalf, leaving a small chance of it being a blue wizard, then revealing... It's OBI WAB KENOBI!
Crossover baby $$$!
There'll be some reference to orc who is probably someones personal assistant holding a giant door closed behind some aspiring young middle earth hobbit in a chamber with the orc who's prosthetics were based off Harvey wenisteins face and she will say...... "you shall not pass". That's where grandelf will witness the iconic line for the first time.
Gandalf is an ANGEL who has existed since the begining of Time.
He was chosen as an Istari - Wise One, Wise-ard, Wizard - by GOD to help MIddle Earth to resist a fallen Angel, who is the servant of Satan.
Or, some piss smelling tramp with NO wisdom, turning up 2000 years too early to do a job that doesnt exist yet because Sauron hasn't been defeated and lost the Ring.
At first, I thought Goldberry would appear and give him his staff. Now I think he'll take it from the tree in the middle of the Stoor village.
What they say: "We went back to the book."
What they mean: "We ripped off Peter Jackson over and over again, not comprehending what made the lines or scenes so great."
They're producing a cruel mockery of beauty - they're Morgoth, and they don't even realise it.
But ...this is the series that gave us the Harfwits with the sticks and twigs in their hair. 🍂
I refuse to believe Amazon actually invested a billion dollars. At least half of that was embezzled or laundered.
I would LOVE to see a Drinkers Chasers/After Hours with MauLer, Disparu, HeelvsBabyface, TheLittlePlatoon, and Nerdrotic. Just those 6. That'd be epic ^_^
That doesn't really sound like the books' Tom Bombadil style of talking at all, either.
I KNEW they based Mr. Miyagi on Tom Bombadil. No one believed...but here we are.
How many episodes left? Two? There's still time for the epics! Don't lose faith in those two geniuses show runners!!
"Make it so, Luke," said Gandalf.
Ah the old "It cost a billion dollars it must be good" mentality. I remember how successful cheap shows were back in the day. Ninja Turtles, Power rangers, Hercules and Xena, all shows made on the cheap yet still exploded in popularity and spawned multiple seasons and spin-offs and sold millions of action figures.
Amazon coughs up a billion dollars and barely rally any excitement. That's when you know you're doing something incredibly wrong.
It’s worse… Gandalf will get his hat from Tom.
I wanna see a stream between AZ and Reaper. I feel like we're two steps away from greatness. 😂
Thank you!!!!!!!!!!!
i lost my fu%$*ng shit at the balrog on the narrow bridge quote
0:39 * insert the Tyrion vomiting scene *
Guy Meme: "That's a nice stick..."
Gandalf came from Valinor during the Third Age with an assigned task of helping the peoples of Middle-Earth to defeat Sauron. He wasn't confused. He didn't need coaching. A part of my take on Tom Bombadil was that he was also Tulkas. He came running up out of the South at a critical moment and kicked Melkor's ass.
'You're a wizard, Gandalf.'
'I'm a what?'
'A wizard...and a thumpin good'un I'd wager, once you've trained up a little.'
...and he was off to Hogwarts to learn some stuff so he could smash the ring...er....
The Sunk Cost Fallacy of the Rings
There is a purpose to the show, it gives you guys something to take the piss out of, that's much more entertaining to watch.
It’s Gandalfing time!
if this shows makes it to 5 seasons i will be shocked.
That was Tom Bombadil? Not even close to how I imagined him. Most importantly, I seem to recall, the goings on in this world are so unimportant to him, he barely gives them thought. Why is he pontificating to Gandalf... Oh, and that Gandolf, looks like he's from a school play!