I Broke a $38,000 3D Printer

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  • @ricketron
    @ricketron 3 ปีที่แล้ว +696

    Somehow, this material that's well known for inseparably bonding itself to bare glass has inseparably bonded itself to bare glass. Truly baffling!

    • @truetech4158
      @truetech4158 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      It's like 2525 dark matter.

    • @thenormanfair
      @thenormanfair 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Incredible!

    • @rpavlik1
      @rpavlik1 3 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      Even more baffling, it's the material provided by the vendor...

    • @3DPrintingNerd
      @3DPrintingNerd  3 ปีที่แล้ว +97

      I've NEVER had PETG bond itself to bare glass before on the machines I've run it. It's always been tough to print because the first layer just wouldn't stick right. I've had PETG weld itself to PEI before, that one was fun...

    • @pericodesign1679
      @pericodesign1679 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I found myself wondering how much filament that chess piece took to make

  • @brianburton7716
    @brianburton7716 3 ปีที่แล้ว +466

    We can't really judge the quality of this printer until we see a 1 meter long Benchy.

    • @3DPrintingNerd
      @3DPrintingNerd  3 ปีที่แล้ว +63

      ha!

    • @craftanything8041
      @craftanything8041 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Brian Burton yes

    • @XenWolfson
      @XenWolfson 3 ปีที่แล้ว +26

      Benchy could be 1.4m if printed diagonale

    • @jeffbeegle
      @jeffbeegle 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      It's been done! I believe each color represents a 5lb spool of pla. th-cam.com/video/AUr0g2FXxGk/w-d-xo.html

    • @smithfamilydesigns2012
      @smithfamilydesigns2012 3 ปีที่แล้ว +25

      I agree.. ALL printers are tested with Benchy.
      Print a normal size benchy (no doubt it will look terrible with a nozzle that size)
      Then print a massive one and put a motor and RC controls on it.

  • @MakersMuse
    @MakersMuse 3 ปีที่แล้ว +544

    Seems like that bed surface is in desperate need of changing... like a huge PEI springsteel sheet maybe? Expensive yes, but it's already 38K!

    • @santiagoblandon3022
      @santiagoblandon3022 3 ปีที่แล้ว +39

      Next video: "i broke a $38.000... again" ahahah

    • @crystaldragon141
      @crystaldragon141 3 ปีที่แล้ว +41

      3/16 also seems really thin for that size. I'd think 1/4 or 5/16 minimum. But Joel come on I know you like to play the dumb consumer to test user friendliness but this is a commercial machine with a pricetag to match. You had to know that was going to happen when you printed directly on glass with petg.

    • @Real28
      @Real28 3 ปีที่แล้ว +32

      If Disney has broken it 4 times already as well, that sounds like there are settings or prints to avoid. Feels like certain materials/temps when mixed with a large enough first layer create too much adhesion

    • @MrWizard65
      @MrWizard65 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Not without glue or hairspray between the PETG and the PEI sheet.

    • @santiagoblandon3022
      @santiagoblandon3022 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      that's the joke ;)

  • @Tux2mc
    @Tux2mc 3 ปีที่แล้ว +342

    Printing a chair and seeing just how much weight it can hold would be so cool.

    • @truetech4158
      @truetech4158 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Good call, after that then maybe print an auditorium or a solar city, with the proper Slicr engine, and building permit.

    • @BBMando69
      @BBMando69 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      I like the chair idea.

    • @truetech4158
      @truetech4158 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@BBMando69 I watched a youtube yesterday of someone 3d printing a stool, and they had the description saying: today i'm going to 3d print a stool.
      They used dowel to connect the seat to the stools legs, and it was printed so fast that the infill settings were not that durable, and i mentioned that they better be very safe with that or they could end up either in the hospital or the coroners office if they shifted their weight while sitting on that stool if they forget that its not the safest design they created.
      Furniture printing should not be compromized with no cutting corners in the safety redundancy dept.
      Something to consider if anyone wants to print a chair, so they dont end up in a wheelchair for life or worse without life.
      The-Digital-Lifeguard-Project-_-
      #SafetyFirst

    • @Dogburt_Junior
      @Dogburt_Junior 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      How about a small stool? Like from Harbor Freight.

    • @BlackWolf18C
      @BlackWolf18C 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@truetech4158 You may joke, but one day soon there will be houses that were fully constructed and furnished to a habitable level in a shockingly short time by a fleet of trailers containing a bunch of 3D printers and feed stock. We can already print large structures in concrete, it would be easy to add dual extrusion of expanding insulation foam to that machine, and Laser Metal Deposition is progressing rapidly to the point where we can print structural-grade parts in various alloys without a need for post-processing. Ten years at most, I'd wager, until we see a functional fully 3D printed home.

  • @glanzone
    @glanzone 3 ปีที่แล้ว +119

    Dinosaur bones then bury them all over town.

    • @hyperfluff_folf
      @hyperfluff_folf 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      But leave a small text on it for the archeologist that might be called when they are found lol

    • @srglamboo
      @srglamboo 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      In Naturalis (a nature history museum in the Netherlands) They have a large printer (Don't know the brand, but it's definetly a different one) to print missing bones for their dinosaur skeletons

  • @cobusgrobler662
    @cobusgrobler662 3 ปีที่แล้ว +173

    Isn't PETG one of those things you do not print directly on glass

    • @noway8233
      @noway8233 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      I print in glass whith spray hair very , very well, to remove the object yuo just need to wait to cold down, then came up gently

    • @highlandcrawler
      @highlandcrawler 3 ปีที่แล้ว +25

      It's pretty well known as a material that's best not printed onto bare glass. It's pretty much universally recommend from most reputable sources that a barrier layer of some sort is best practice.

    • @TechBrewGamer
      @TechBrewGamer 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      need glue stick, hair spray, or blue tape.

    • @gregoryp203
      @gregoryp203 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      yes this is common knowledge. Martin with Wintergaten had the same problem. I am surprised Joel didn't know this.

    • @user10476
      @user10476 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I print PETG on glass all the time (it's the only thing I print wthi and on). No problem at all if you just let it cool down.

  • @Hawk1966
    @Hawk1966 3 ปีที่แล้ว +135

    This, Joel, THIS is the printer to turn out a GIANT rubber band rocket from your ladt Fan Mail Friday¡! It would be glorious!!!! Do it! Do it! Doooooooo it!

  • @lipvandip6480
    @lipvandip6480 3 ปีที่แล้ว +74

    $38k machine comes with magigoo
    Joel: hmm, it's only 38k, i'll wing it without

    • @mathew66
      @mathew66 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      What’s magigoo?

    • @lipvandip6480
      @lipvandip6480 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@mathew66 Google can probably explain that to you my friend

    • @mathew66
      @mathew66 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Luke J so could u my friend. But what evs

    • @N8TURES
      @N8TURES 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      you can buy a icon 3d house maker with that price smh

    • @erazn9077
      @erazn9077 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      “Magigoo 3D Printing Adhesives offer a great way for ensuring your prints stick perfectly to the build plate, even when printing with more challenging materials like nylon, polypropylene, or polycarbonate.” :p

  • @vit.budina
    @vit.budina 3 ปีที่แล้ว +148

    PETG: 'is known for welding itself to glass'
    Joel: Doo dee, dum da lee, first thing I print will be PETG

    • @Wooddust6
      @Wooddust6 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Was thinking 'hope he set zoffset for petg' 😭
      Thats why he welded to the pei also too close.
      Oh and Yes totally print a throne to sit in and watch prints!

    • @cowardly_wizard
      @cowardly_wizard 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Even better, they gave him petg to use

    • @derekverveer6058
      @derekverveer6058 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Am I the only one who sang the whole thing like it was some jingle?

    • @DuncanHopkins
      @DuncanHopkins 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Did exactly the same on a Mega-s, started using PETG (and glue) and managed to rip a fissure up the middle of the build plate! 😳

  • @YunFuriku
    @YunFuriku 3 ปีที่แล้ว +47

    Joel has magic touch for breaking things

    • @katherinemorton9126
      @katherinemorton9126 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      But not like Linus

    • @YunFuriku
      @YunFuriku 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@katherinemorton9126 ​ Linus Droptest has become official testing standard nowadays for electronics. Manufacturers use it by sending things to Linus :)

    • @channelvr1293
      @channelvr1293 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Maybe a huge sand castle? You know the one you would fill with sand. 😁

    • @Kensivren
      @Kensivren 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I just call that having a hand of adult but excitement of a toddler. Must touch everything!!!!!

    • @andyspoo2
      @andyspoo2 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      It's a good thing that he shows himself braking things. So many reviewers cut those bits out, give you an affiliate link to buy the product and sing about how wonderful everything is while hiding the truth.

  • @ThatGamerCher
    @ThatGamerCher 3 ปีที่แล้ว +53

    To the man who is courageous enough to reveal his mistakes and lessons learned along the way... I salute you. 🤗

    • @Krmpfpks
      @Krmpfpks 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      While I agree that Joel seems to be a nice guy being honest about his mistakes (hard to say without knowing him in person, but that’s my impression from his videos) - having the printer and not making a video would certainly be a problem for any creator and most creators would have made some kind of video.

    • @SoylentSax
      @SoylentSax 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I’m still confused. What was the mistake? How was it preventable?I would have liked to hear this.

    • @ThatGamerCher
      @ThatGamerCher 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@SoylentSax only meant it's commendable of him keeping it real, by pointing out the crack that happened in the glass print bed and how the jug holder fused to the flexible print bed. As opposed to say, for example, simply covering over the crack with the flexible build plate and not stating the (literal) underlying issue going on underneath. To be honest, a $38K machine purchase outright is far beyond the means many folks have available at the moment to begin with, but rather than simply "keep up appearances" he has a great way of remaining relatable, even the casual hobbyist, by pointing out that things CAN go wrong. I, for one, have appreciate that about his vlogging style thus far. 🤗

    • @scrmnthn5233
      @scrmnthn5233 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@SoylentSax I believe I've heard petg isn't supposed to be printed on bare glass because of the effect that Joel saw and it's recommended that one uses blue tape or a removable surface to print on. never printed in petg though so I may be confusing it with a different material

    • @Krmpfpks
      @Krmpfpks 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      SoylentSax I think it’s the fact that he broke the glass when removing the pawn.

  • @LanceMiller87
    @LanceMiller87 3 ปีที่แล้ว +31

    A complete set of Stormtrooper armor, all in one print!

    • @DJlegionuk
      @DJlegionuk 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I was going to suggest some kind of armour, Stormtrooper, Mando or Iron man.

    • @truetech4158
      @truetech4158 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      A affordable self driving powered exoskeleton of sorts, to help people walk again or for the first time.

    • @coceg87
      @coceg87 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Maybe he can just seat still on the build plate, and let the printer print the armor around him

    • @flamestoyershadowkill6400
      @flamestoyershadowkill6400 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      or giant ass bionicle masks

    • @NeoIsrafil
      @NeoIsrafil 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes! OMG THE IRON MAN ARMOR!! Its finally a big enough printer to one piece it! The helmet wouldn't need gluing, it could be printed as is! The biggest pain was gluing it all together when it was done, and the glue breaking, etc. Dude...while you've got it, iron man armor!

  • @rothery2
    @rothery2 3 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    I want to see a reaction video of you telling them that you broke the bed glass on the first print due to not using a release agent with PETG

  • @juliancannizzaro2906
    @juliancannizzaro2906 3 ปีที่แล้ว +24

    Break the record and make it count. Go big or go home. Making a scaled version of yourself would be awesome too but bigger is better

    • @wilderstewart9917
      @wilderstewart9917 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      a 1:1 scale.

    • @mannyt214
      @mannyt214 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Joel 2.0 😉

    • @BadgerBishop
      @BadgerBishop 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Is it nicer to make it just a tiny bit bigger to beat XRobots, or nicer to beat him by a lot? I mean if he wanted to take the record back it could be possible with only a bit bigger compared to making it substantially bigger.

  • @KenSikora
    @KenSikora 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I've destroyed a borosilicate bed the same way with PETG, and it scarred me for life. Only cost me $80 to replace the bed, but at the time, it felt like $38,000.

    • @tunkka
      @tunkka 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      BCN3D?

  • @squirrelrobotics
    @squirrelrobotics 3 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    Why does this $38,000 Industrial, 3D printer NOT have a removable build plate and ABL?

    • @rpavlik1
      @rpavlik1 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Because a printer like this probably has a department dedicated to running it and its peers?

    • @timomiller569
      @timomiller569 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Removable build plate at that size may be heavy and maybe unpractical but lack on abl is unforgivable

    • @PrickConjo
      @PrickConjo 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@rpavlik1 thats the suckiest argument ive ever seen :)

    • @squirrelrobotics
      @squirrelrobotics 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@rpavlik1 No, just no, why would you make it so that a whole department has to exist purely to run a 3D printer? There are soo many design oversights on this printer, to the point that I would say it's not even suitable to be produced.

    • @squirrelrobotics
      @squirrelrobotics 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@timomiller569 But still, glass? Really? And regular, super thin glass at that. Could have done PEI or buildtak or something!

  • @enochroot9438
    @enochroot9438 3 ปีที่แล้ว +39

    3d Breaking Nerd

    • @truetech4158
      @truetech4158 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      And then there was the breaking for lunch after he broke the machine though had some help, though that seemed it was affordably intentional.

    • @brunosco
      @brunosco 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Haha, I was thinking about that new name too!

  • @spunkmire2664
    @spunkmire2664 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    just curious, with the glass bed breaking, did you let the whole bed cool down first?
    I had this happen twice to me before with a old printer from 2014 that used boro glass, both were with petg, and i was rushing and pulled the part from the bed when it was hot.
    I feel your pain, though my glass was 12x12 inches.

  • @toddspeck9415
    @toddspeck9415 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    So cool to see such a massive printer. Thanks for showing and explaining it.

  • @Creative_Electronics
    @Creative_Electronics 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Wow I didn't know that you should break a 38,000 dollar printer!
    You make awesome video's Joel!

  • @frijoli9579
    @frijoli9579 3 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    That is likely the crappiest 38,000 dollar machine I have seen.

    • @AmusementLabs
      @AmusementLabs 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yeah, kinda surprised they didn't include a spring steel sheet.

  • @tmj120racer5
    @tmj120racer5 3 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    If i had a printer of this size i will print a 10kg benchy just as a king of benchy

    • @arnaudcochin3854
      @arnaudcochin3854 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Yes, a Very Very Big Benchy. And you can try to make it sail on a lake 😉

    • @donaldmcfarlane5004
      @donaldmcfarlane5004 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      We Have!! The thing is really heavy and floats just not very well.

    • @wilderstewart9917
      @wilderstewart9917 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      even a multi part functional benchy. with like a 5hp trolling motor.

    • @schbrownie04
      @schbrownie04 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Benchy is too top heavy... even the smallest wave will make it flip over.

    • @wilderstewart9917
      @wilderstewart9917 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@schbrownie04 use the smart infil, so the top is lightened. adapt. overcome.

  • @markoppenheimer8842
    @markoppenheimer8842 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Awesome video! Go for the record!

  • @Cullens_Workshop
    @Cullens_Workshop 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    i'd be so frustrated if i broke the glass on my firs print! awesome machine!

  • @ericfranck4131
    @ericfranck4131 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    At 9:10 The "transponders" are Motor encoders that can detect missed steps or of one is faster than the other and fix itself. We use them a lot in FRC to make sure we can do our Autonomous Functions correctly

    • @rpavlik1
      @rpavlik1 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      So does this mean these are closed loop servos? Or just slightly fancier steppers and drivers? (Eg trinamic can detect missed steps)

    • @ericfranck4131
      @ericfranck4131 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      rpavlik1 it’s a basic stepper motor with an encoder latched onto the back of the motor and it (i assume) sends the steps it counts to the main board and if they aren’t synced it will compensate

    • @ethanrake4929
      @ethanrake4929 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Ayy FRC gang. HOT Team checking in.

    • @ericfranck4131
      @ericfranck4131 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ethanrake4929 Hero's Of Tomorrow? Team 67? Im Tean 6722 LED Robotics

  • @crashmaxx1987
    @crashmaxx1987 3 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    Wait, they provided PETG for a machine with a giant glass bed?
    Did they give you any instructions for prepping the glass before printing?

    • @throngcleaver
      @throngcleaver 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Crisco...

    • @schbrownie04
      @schbrownie04 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Joel said in the video that it came with Magigoo... it just didn't get used on the first print...

    • @3DPrintingNerd
      @3DPrintingNerd  3 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      The first two test prints by Don were PETG on the bare glass and they were fine. He said they do PETG all the time without the Magigoo and it's fine at the office. The Magigoo was "if something doesn't stick well enough, use the Magigoo to help it stick."

    • @edwardpaulsen1074
      @edwardpaulsen1074 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@3DPrintingNerd I would venture to say that they likely didn't print things with that much surface area right in the middle of the bed...

    • @3DPrintingNerd
      @3DPrintingNerd  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@edwardpaulsen1074 They have!

  • @drewpowers8645
    @drewpowers8645 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Oh my god! I didn’t catch on when you said the build plate was huge and “to take a good look because it wouldn’t be like this for long”😂 until I watched it the second time. Instant classic my friend.

  • @richardland5563
    @richardland5563 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I’d like to thank you I’ve been watching your videos for awhile and they’re very useful...

  • @YunFuriku
    @YunFuriku 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I want MiniJoel as .. 150% upscale from lifesized one :)

  • @JMNTN
    @JMNTN 3 ปีที่แล้ว +24

    Seems really expensive for what it is. Not even an auto leveling bed

    • @certified-forklifter
      @certified-forklifter 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      similar thought. look at the cable management on the print head

    • @PhotonCast
      @PhotonCast 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      I thought the same thing. For $35,000 I would expect at least the features of a Prusa.

    • @truetech4158
      @truetech4158 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Non planar version design.

    • @schbrownie04
      @schbrownie04 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      The machine DOES have auto bed leveling. Due to the time it takes to run through the bed leveling routine for this large of a print surface, it doesn't do it every time the printer runs - only when the operator determines it's necessary. The aluminum plate under the glass holds the surface pretty rigid, so it's not required between every print job.

  • @nukelukas
    @nukelukas 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Please continue with that 400% OpenRC F1! And do not forget add chanell for an actual brake! :-) (Greetings from Prague)

  • @ArticTiger
    @ArticTiger 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    full size master chief armour, no assembly required! The torso bit will be interesting!

    • @Aidenn23
      @Aidenn23 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I support this decision.

  • @Slushee
    @Slushee 3 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    I remember Simon from RClifeOn 3D printed himself with a 1*1*1m 3D printer.
    Also, are they mad about the bed breaking? o.o

    • @aadvaithmandampully3279
      @aadvaithmandampully3279 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I guess so if it's a 38,000 dollar printer on rent
      I wonder how much the print bed cost?

    • @wilderstewart9917
      @wilderstewart9917 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@aadvaithmandampully3279 well in essence its a big ass mirror. so just get a mirror cut, maybe a couple hundred? id bet the heater part of the bed is fine

    • @nilssen3dservice284
      @nilssen3dservice284 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Big difference, RClifeOn can 3d print. 3DPnerd can`t

  • @Keinapappa
    @Keinapappa 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Make a huge litophane moon with that monster.

    • @jamescarney2088
      @jamescarney2088 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      or a death star " that's no moon it's a space station"

  • @shawngrabowski988
    @shawngrabowski988 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I love the shirt man!!!! Oh yeah, you have an awesome TH-cam channel👍. Keep up the good work. I love learning from others mistakes especially when I've made it myself and I can watch your same experience on how to correct it. I think I can say I've learned more from you about 3D printing than anywhere.
    Thanks for all the help 3D Printing Nerd,
    Shawn

  • @CosplayKitchen
    @CosplayKitchen 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Oh my gosh Joel, you are one step from a mad scientist and this is why we love you!
    Really though, make a table with that very large “tree holder”

  • @arcadeuk
    @arcadeuk 3 ปีที่แล้ว +25

    Don't worry Joel, everyone who is new to 3d printing. breaks something when removing a PETG print 😂🤣😂🤣

    • @edwardpaulsen1074
      @edwardpaulsen1074 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      That would be acceptable if he hadn't been doing this for years now... one would think there would be some "learning" going on and not repeating the same mistakes...

    • @hyperfluff_folf
      @hyperfluff_folf 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@edwardpaulsen1074 yeah but Z offset leveling stuff is a mistake that can sneak in sometimes, you only need to forget to check that once and it might happen to you too lol

    • @joshanderson1019
      @joshanderson1019 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I havent broke anything yet on my ender 3 pro, but im sure it is soon to happen

    • @edwardpaulsen1074
      @edwardpaulsen1074 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@hyperfluff_folf There is a HUGE difference between "Z offset leveling" and printing PETG, which is *known* to sometimes stick to glass, on a super large area glass plate... not to mention just diving in on a brand new machine without going over the operation a few times... That's like getting a new lathe and just throwing a notoriously difficult metal on it without checking speeds, cutting tool, lubricants, and depth of cut and wondering why the tool shattered and damaged the machine...

    • @Achiles5th
      @Achiles5th 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@edwardpaulsen1074 Man the other day I broke a nozzle (it was heated, I'm not that dumb) and I've been doing this soon to be 3 years now. The only difference between now and then is that I broke a nozzle on a Markforged printer. They want $1,700 to replace it, but my $20 screw extractor kit says otherwise.

  • @KernsJW
    @KernsJW 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    FDM and 38k, seems high priced, but I imagine parts at that size are tough to source, expensive, and need to be custom made. Petg always needs glue stick!

  • @is2scooby
    @is2scooby 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    This video was AWESOME! Entertaining and informative. I’d love to see the world record breaker and/or a barstool to go with your grumblers.

  • @RandomSmith
    @RandomSmith 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I was thinking of printing out a chair, but a record breaker sounds cool too...

  • @DJlegionuk
    @DJlegionuk 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Break the record or some type of cosplay armour, perhaps work with Bill to design one for you.

  • @RabbitsInBlack
    @RabbitsInBlack 3 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    Why my rule of Thumb is ALWAYS PUT PVA on the Bed. Protects that Bed, even a $38,000 bed.

  • @bennett214
    @bennett214 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I want to see you break your own records for some past prints! Specifically the giant Space needle and the giant lion. Maybe even a revisit to your recent marble kaleidoscope...and make it bowling ball size

  • @TotalGAMIX
    @TotalGAMIX 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Im so excited to see 3d printing growing in the coming years

  • @toyotaboyhatman
    @toyotaboyhatman 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Even though I know what the first printers look like, this looks like it's one of the first printers ever made.. Like "Somedayyy.. there will be a 3d printer in every home. yea right, how is anyone going to fit this in their house? Through technology, it shall be scaled down to fit on a coffee table".

    • @MattWeber
      @MattWeber 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Umm.. you cant scale down that build volume to fit on a coffee table.. this isnt the Tardis.. People that need this volume will find a place to fit it. I know people with industrial bed lasers in their house. If there is a need for it, people find a way to make room for it.

    • @thebooboo3269
      @thebooboo3269 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      It already can this is a massive printer they get pretty small compared to this one

    • @MattWeber
      @MattWeber 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@thebooboo3269 honestly this is still small compared to some. There are people that have bigbox printers in their home and they can go up to 3 m cu print volume.

  • @Harad_nur
    @Harad_nur 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    2000$ for printer parts, 1000$ for workbench, 35000$ for what?

    • @jim.c6780
      @jim.c6780 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Exactly I just built a cnc machine that 1m by 1m and I can swap the spindle with a extruder and do Exactly what this 38k printer can do and it cost me a little under 3k but I can also cnc, 3D print and laser cut and my machine is built like a tank.

    • @Roiki
      @Roiki 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Tech support and warranty

  • @Rvd3b0y
    @Rvd3b0y 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Considering how warm it is outside, and the size of that build plate... a full set of Shoretrooper Armor seems like the only logical answer, and would be a great functional print.

  • @SagittariusArtworks
    @SagittariusArtworks 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Happened to my buildplates in the ultimaker 2+ many times when using Extrudr pla. That filament welded everything together, removal impossible without damage on the plate.
    After i changed to fillamentum no problems since.

  • @ericfranck4131
    @ericfranck4131 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I read the title and i cried a bit..

  • @theoblanks8364
    @theoblanks8364 3 ปีที่แล้ว +55

    This seems like a huge waste, print quality honestly isn't that great for 38k kind of disappointing

    • @arcadeuk
      @arcadeuk 3 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      Joel's printing ultra-low resolution models on it for some reason and scaling them up, I bet it would print fine if you exported something direct from a vector

    • @10ulcinj
      @10ulcinj 3 ปีที่แล้ว +33

      @@arcadeuk for 38k you get wobbling of the whole gantry if it goes up, in my opinion thats unacceptable for any printer that costs more than 2k. I probably could make a better 1m3 printer that costs lot less, probably like 1-2k. How are they making it cost 38k not even a good cnc costs this much...

    • @RomanoPRODUCTION
      @RomanoPRODUCTION 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      I guess Ivan Miranda has made a better large printer

    • @10ulcinj
      @10ulcinj 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@RomanoPRODUCTION Absolutely and its mostly 3d Printed and costed probably less than 500 Euros.

    • @FowlerAskew
      @FowlerAskew 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@RomanoPRODUCTION That's a better printer for hobbyists. It's a terrible printer for businesses. For a business that needs a 1m x 1m build volume on an FDM 3d printer for whatever reason, your only other option is a Stratasys F900 and that costs way more. It isn't cost effective for a company to build their own giant 3d printer, troubleshoot it, and fiddle with it until they can get it to work. It's much cheaper to spend 38k on something that has tech support

  • @nonebiz2132
    @nonebiz2132 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I would love to see a SCHOOL DESK for an elementary school student. 3D printers are now in a lot of younger kids classrooms and I think printing something they could relate to would be AWESOME!

  • @ryandowney8743
    @ryandowney8743 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I love that all three axis are screw driven. Belts are so frustrating and I don't think they have as much accuracy.

  • @robertburns2415
    @robertburns2415 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    If you're going to try to break the world record four largest 3D print of a human go For Broke print the Colossus of Rhodes.

  • @JeremyNaus
    @JeremyNaus 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Maybe I'm an asshole for saying it but: wearing a facemask while leaving the nose uncovered nullifies the reason to wear a facemask...

    • @JAYTEEAU
      @JAYTEEAU 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      :) twitter.com/JAYTEEAU/status/1289921057114034176

  • @GregAtlas
    @GregAtlas 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    What do you think of the water cooling system? I'd kind of think that would be a bigger benefit to an enclosed system so you could keep the heat in but still have adequate cooling for the cold end.

  • @OldCurmudgeon3DP
    @OldCurmudgeon3DP 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    That filament path 😱
    If the runout sensor let's the machine continue too long you'll have a mess of tangled filament covering the bed and possibly embedded in the part. Maybe consider a reverse bowden? I know I'm not thinking on the same level as the company who designed it though.

  • @skwerleyz
    @skwerleyz 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    "it ships with magigoo"
    D'OH

  • @umbratherios5614
    @umbratherios5614 3 ปีที่แล้ว +34

    that machine is overpriced. plain and simple.

    • @jensharbers6702
      @jensharbers6702 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      True. When you look at the unit Ivan Miranda built, this thing seems a bit overpriced...
      I mean solid metalworking and stuff, but wobbly Gantry, seriously?

    • @teresashinkansen9402
      @teresashinkansen9402 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Pfff just wait until you see the stratasys printers much smaller and more expensive yet they don't perform that much better than a home grade 3D printer.

  • @EngineeringSpareTime
    @EngineeringSpareTime 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Hey, that’s a good looking printer. Why does it not have an enclosure? I‘ve built one for my Prusa Mk3s based on aluminium extrusions (like the printer in the video) and it’s working great. You might like it :) Have you ever considered to build one for it?

  • @jumpingfun8038
    @jumpingfun8038 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    print a castle, usually the ones i have seen have to be printed in segments and it would be cool to see one printed big and whole

  • @rOSScOGITANS
    @rOSScOGITANS 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    very strange to print directly on the glass, did you read the manual? i think your warranty it's over! :)

  • @Henchman1977
    @Henchman1977 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    So you can drive around with beer on the front seat of your car?

    • @Inventorsquare
      @Inventorsquare 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Unopened, officer.

    • @dimwitrj
      @dimwitrj 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@Inventorsquare Has to be something sealed closed, screw cap can be considered an open container. I'd transport these in the trunk to avoid issue, filled or empty.

    • @Inventorsquare
      @Inventorsquare 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      R J Oh yeah, I forgot it was a refill.

  • @adamfermor2669
    @adamfermor2669 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I love the filament manufacturer request I don't want to know how fast that printer can chew through filament

  • @Arrowed_Sparrow
    @Arrowed_Sparrow 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I've actually had similar issues. My fix for this is to wipe down the glass with heavily salted water, then wipe it dry. The print stays perfectly in place but there won't be any binding to the glass. Hope it helps, love the videos.

  • @JasonLooseArrowAlso
    @JasonLooseArrowAlso 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Wearing a mask below the nose is the same as not wearing a mask at all.

  • @sagedismal
    @sagedismal 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Joel: Should I print the thing?
    Me: Print ALL the things!

  • @moderngeek7911
    @moderngeek7911 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I did the exact same thing printing PETG straight onto glass, it apparently breaks it down. I ended up filling it with body filler (like bondo), sanding it down, and covering with blue tape. I kept using that bed until it finally snapped in two one day while taking a part off. I print on kapton + a thin layer of wood glue dissolved in water now.

  • @C-M-E
    @C-M-E 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    When you go getting custom spools of Proto-pasta to needing a factory line hooked up to your printer, you know you've really achieved zenith status!
    Now I want to see one of these with a MIG welding head attachment.

  • @DwenDooley
    @DwenDooley 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Hairy Lion (again!)

  • @madkvideo
    @madkvideo 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    It just looks like the glass is trash. It should thicker, considering how expensive the printer is.

    • @ShadowJak
      @ShadowJak 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      He should have known better. PETG isn't supposed to be printed directly on glass because it will fuse as it did in the video.

    • @3DPrintingNerd
      @3DPrintingNerd  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      This is the first time I’ve had PETG fuse to glass in all the times I’ve printed with PETG on bare glass. I just wish I would have learned this sooner :)

    • @ShadowJak
      @ShadowJak 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@3DPrintingNerd Are they going to send a new glass bed? It would be cool to see something gigantic being printed.

  • @MrGrago
    @MrGrago 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Printing a Recumbent tricycle SEAT, or Cargo box would be really nice
    Thanks for your information, to us the 3D newbies is most usefull

  • @g.h.c855
    @g.h.c855 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Have found the best way to stop PETG permanently bonding with the build plate is to simply print the first layer at a much lower temp. Works for me

  • @joey1_
    @joey1_ 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Life sized Joel?

  • @ManIkWeet
    @ManIkWeet 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Fun fact, a mask doesn't work if you don't cover the nose!

    • @BlueCollarBachelor
      @BlueCollarBachelor 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      You could have left off the last 6 words.

    • @davidnguyen6823
      @davidnguyen6823 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@BlueCollarBachelor Your parent should've used french letters

    • @W0O0G
      @W0O0G 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      The Reverend oh your one of those...right, copy.

    • @ManIkWeet
      @ManIkWeet 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@BlueCollarBachelor There seems to be evidence that a mask does appear to have an effect in reducing the amount of potentially infectious droplets leaving from the wearer.

    • @BlueCollarBachelor
      @BlueCollarBachelor 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@ManIkWeet theres evidence the other way too. It's a mess. Pick one and go with it.

  • @peterinpensacola
    @peterinpensacola 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Good video, as always. I want to ask you for an opinion. I need a 3D printer that prints flexibles well. Specifically TPU 95A and Armadillo TPU which is 75D. We've tried a FlashForge Creator Pro with dismal results (won't even load 95A TPU, after a few filament swap cycles) and also have a Raise3D E2 which has clicking problems (followed by part failure) with either of the filaments above. What are great printers for TPU? Budget is $500 - $6000. And I don't need a 1m x 1m printer! 300mm x 300mm is fine. Thanks so much!

  • @ualdayan
    @ualdayan 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Misread that at first as 'I bought a $38,000 3D printer', then read it correctly as 'I broke', then realized it's the same thing. You broke it, you bought it!

  • @5Komma5
    @5Komma5 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    @Don why waist your time with a mask if you stick your nose out and/or take it off later? Makes you look stupid as you either don't understand the issue or want to pretend you care.

    • @throngcleaver
      @throngcleaver 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      He's only wearing that mask because his company requires it. The wearing of masks does nearly nothing to prevent the spread of diseases, unless it's an actual N95 mask. In fact, there is evidence showing that wearing such masks increases the likelihood of spreading it, or for the wearer to contract it. There are several videos out there proving how ineffective masks really are. Google it.

  • @tribaldragon19
    @tribaldragon19 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hi Joel!
    We use an older version of that printer at work and had the same outcome with PETG. Went we have to print PETG, we use a sheet of MIC6 1/4" aluminum on top of the glass with a custom start script to take into account the extra thickness in Simplify3D.
    G1 Z6.8 F100
    G92 Z0
    6.8mm is the thickness of the sheet we got.
    PETG seems to create micro-fractures in the glass when printing large models.

    • @3DPrintingNerd
      @3DPrintingNerd  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      So THAT is what happened. I figured it was something like that. When I went to remove the pawn model, just barely touching it created cracked glass. I thought it was a material defect in the glass. That's a great idea on the aluminum. I have been looking around for one and pricing it out, though I was thinking I would have Dave from Printed Solid get me a custom PEI sheet for it :)

    • @tribaldragon19
      @tribaldragon19 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @3D Printing Nerd I'm worried that a PEI sheet that big would bow in the middle if it isn't thick enough. 1m x 1m is crazy!!
      If you ever get an aluminum sheet, don't use it with the factory finish ... nothing will stick to it, too shiny and smooth, you'll need to rough it up with sandpaper or scotch bright pad. I have used the scotch pad with a 5lbs block of steel on it and use a fair amount of PVA glue (glue stick).
      At the moment I have aluminum covering half the printer at all times and only remove it when needed for large none PETG prints. I have different factory files for Simplify3D for the reduced print area for print head clearance.

  • @Jessterrr
    @Jessterrr 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I didn't really think about what could be printed on such a printer until I saw the Star Wars episode. I only just realized that you could print a pedal car body - like the pedal cars of the 60's for 3 year old kids. You could even print a replacement ride on vehicle body.
    Just imagine that your child says that they love a Ferrari, Camaro, Mustang, tank, or whatever. You could print the child the vehicle of their dreams to ride. Amazing stuff!

  • @davidhollis8606
    @davidhollis8606 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I run a Fab Lab in Mississippi, We have an earlier version of this printer. We had the same issues with the glass bed breaking, We swapped it out with a metal bed.

  • @rusamalex
    @rusamalex 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I operated the 3DP 1000, an older model, for 3 years. Mostly printed in PETG. Never saw anything like the break in the glass experienced here. Perhaps the bed didn't have enough time to cool before the pawn was removed? That loosened up the adhesion for my prints. Was additional adhesive applied to the bed before printing?

  • @josephdecesaro1528
    @josephdecesaro1528 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I say that you could reprint most of the open RC car. Making it less multi-colored and less seams. You could also update the model to fit the bearings and axles better and any other changes.

  • @PanDiaxik
    @PanDiaxik 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Maybe printers should use Peltier's modules to heat up the bed and then cool it down after print so it would be easier to remove the print. When I couldn't revive a PET-G part from bed, putting it into freezer helped.

  • @KeithOlson
    @KeithOlson 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    With LuBan's sectioning and hollowing tools, you could print some *REALLY* big stuff with multiple sections nested inside each other!

  • @oobasnork
    @oobasnork 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Those plexiglass discs remind me of how I used to poke holes in paper plates and put them on both sides of the terrible spools of ABS that I ran on my Solidoodle 2 back in 2014. That is the beefiest spool holder I've ever seen!

  • @Akya2120
    @Akya2120 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    PETG does not need squish to stick like PLA or ABS. It would likely be beneficial to print on a raft and use an additional half of your extruder nozzle in Z height (or more) for the first layer. This is how I have printed on bare glass with minimal loss, but even doing this occasionally I have had PETG pull up slivers of glass. Using Kapton or even painters tape would help you save the glass, and with a pane that size I would definitely recommend it.

  • @LincolnWorld
    @LincolnWorld 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    That was fun Joel! So cool to see you enjoying such an interesting machine.
    Some print ideas:
    Actual Joel sized Joelbot
    A full sized Tiki Bar including stools
    Use meshmixer or blender to turn a downloaded character model into a chair
    Large jigs to help you make other things
    Build a roto-caster that you could then 3D print a huge mold to then roto-cast sculptures, or set of matching furniture, etc.
    Print a TARTIS shaped cat or dog house.

  • @adisharr
    @adisharr 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Regarding the Y axis motors, they're using closed-loop servos instead of steppers. That's a good choice for a machine of this size as you're dragging around a lot of mass and the probability that you'll skip steps is high. There's no synchronizing between the Y axis motors though. They're just two separate motors working off the same step and direction signals.

  • @Kamikat86
    @Kamikat86 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Id love to see you win that world record this video was really fun

  • @brianpercival1829
    @brianpercival1829 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I didn't want to be restricted to a small printer build size so I bought the TRONXY X5SA 2E. 500mmx500mmx600mm. That one you have is a hell of a big printer. But what I found out fast is big prints use a lot of filament. Bigger printers cost more to operate as I was making larger prints. My first error was bed too close to the hot end and it flat ironed a large portion of the bed sheet. It eventually warped and hot end burned a hole. Switched to glass and is working ok. I never had one glued like that to the glass.

  • @MaxPower_Designs
    @MaxPower_Designs 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    We have a 3DP 400 series at work and i use it almost daily for prototyping purposes, when printing with PETG i always use washable glue stick on the glass for adhesion and ease of removal. When parts are stuck to the glass just spray glass cleaner and let it dissolve the glue bit by bit.

  • @BLBlackDragon
    @BLBlackDragon 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    PETG is known to fuse to glass beds. (I've gone through two myself) As a result, I avoid using glass beds and PETG whenever I can. (Spring steel and either PLA or ABS/ASA)

  • @gregd393
    @gregd393 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I would be more interested in seeing what the manufacturer says about how to operate the machine without breaking the glass.
    Do they recommend a particular receiver layer or do they recommend anything at all?

  • @TiagoTiagoT
    @TiagoTiagoT 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    How much does it cost to replace the glass? And did it come with a manual of some sort? Is PETG officially recommended by the company?

  • @tommyg957
    @tommyg957 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I love the growler caddy, what would be better than that? A growler caddy that even has seatbelt slots so you can add extra security making for an even better chance to get that precious cargo home. Personally, I have an insulated growler bag with a shoulder strap, that I hang over the headrest and then seatbelt in place.

  • @sethdahlberg7136
    @sethdahlberg7136 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Are you going to use glass to replace the top? I dont know how Plexiglass would react with the heat but it wouldn't shatter like the existing glass top did.

  • @jmtissera
    @jmtissera 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    @beginnerelectronics's pawn is the best troll ever for your printers. What about a huge King Kong's head/hand?

  • @nhwilkinosn
    @nhwilkinosn 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Life foreshadowing when you asked the guy if anyone broke the glass 🤣🤣 Joel, you're fantastic. Even when I'm wanting to throw my printer out the window of an airplane (I know, I know, shh) you make me remember why I got it and cool down

  • @labratsw
    @labratsw 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I would really like to see some large prints for museum, Like a 1:1 of a velociraptor for a kids museum, or a scale Saturn V for a local air and space museum, or take the biggest printed human title and give the print to a local collage . That way everyone could have a chance to see the prints IRL, and you could make giant prints without having to worry about where you're going to put them when the video is over. Anyway as always great video, I'm looking forward to seeing what you do next.

  • @petermcmillan1773
    @petermcmillan1773 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    PET needs a release agent for sure. I use schwarzkopf strong styling non aerosol spray. and lots of it for PETG. Also let the bed cool completely.
    How much for a replacement glass bed on this beast?