This is why I henceforth only like Connie. She was like the only sane one in SU:Future. And Shep. I actually liked Shep and their relationship with Sadie even though her breaking up with Lars was heartbreaking. (It's funny cause I loved them together even though logically they were actually a pretty bad couple for each other and it makes perfect sense that they'd break up).
Edit: actually, the more i think about it, this finale was worse than stars. Way worse Game of thrones, svtfoe, how i met your mother are all bottom shit tier. like there are little to no redeeming qualities about these finales they are all horrendous. steven universe future is low tier. sure it was heartwarming to its main target demographic, a 14 year old child. but for the most part, im sure everyone above the age of 15 can do what kross described in his video. not thinking in the way the show wants you to.
The "nice" thing about gem shattering now no longer being permanent is that it retroactively makes the Diamonds not as evil because, like with Jasper with Steven, they can undo a great deal of the damage they've caused. If the goal was to make people Accept the Diamonds as not complete monsters? Well then there you go. If instead your goal was to craft a story where death has weight... you can't really undo it or if it can be undone it must come at a high price. Yellow Diamond fiddling around with a gem for a few seconds and it's all fixed? Well there goes all the tension. Bismuth literally bubbled for no reason.
@@Krossxc Wait if they completely retconned the impact of shattering and that yellow can just put gems together again, why didn't they try to recreate pink diamond with the shards pearl left behind? They'd immediately see that pink just ran off and framed her own death... Its not as if putting gems back together was shown as yellows power in homeworld bound, only altering their appearance.
Adoring Fan Yellow probably didn’t know she could do something like that. She was a genocidal dictator who shattered and experimented on her subjects. She’d have no reason to explore the possibility that she could fix gems. That wasn’t in the status quo, so it wasn’t ever done. A gem is shattered? “Oh well, let’s make another one. They are expendable pawn in our conquest.” Gems are supposed to be stagnant and seemingly incapable of growth; only Steven showed them that they can use their powers for good. Notice how Pink’s natural abilities were destructive and harmful, but she reversed them to he healing and helpful, only after a long process of becoming a better person. After learning to be better, the diamonds found ways to use their naturally destructive natures for the betterment of others, just like Pink did.
@@HelloCompanion I still think that if yellow was experimenting with the shattered parts of gems to the point where she'd create the cluster she would have tried to put pink back together given gem surgery (idk) Is her strong suit she has experience in the field, pink isn't treated as an expendable asset like every other gem so why wouldn't she try. The only reason she started doing it large scale was because steven told them to, we have no reason to believe that she couldn't do something like that beforehand given that her new power only entail changing the projections of gems not her ability to put them together again.
Adoring Fan Thats my point. Yellow always had those abilities, but she never thought to use them in that way until Steven changed her. She would have never tried to reverse the shattering of Pink because the gem empire was built on fear and the idea that shattering was permanent. She never acted outside of how she was supposed to, and fixing people IS NOT what she’s supposed to do. Also, remember, White knew that Pink was never “really” shattered. She just didn’t think that her giving her gem to Steven would totally erase Pink as a separate entity. White calls the shots. She thought of all the events as just another one of Pink’s games. She wouldn’t have allowed Yellow to even try, methinks.
I feel like the ending finished too fast. And it didn’t even reveal any untold secrets or anything like that. It didn’t mention or show pink diamond, answer any questions we have about her or show the history of any crystal gem. The final fight scene was lame, Spinel ended up meaning nothing to the show, and the goodbyes should have ended with a memory with Steven and the person maybe. But the Jasper fight scenes we fucking GOATED.
In the finale fight scene they didn't want to hurt him though And it wasn't about pink diamond the end was just about Steven and the future Rebecca had a lot of ideas as the other comments said so maybe she can reveal them soon, she did say it wasn't her last installment of something idk The jasper fight was great yeah,,,, but I thought it was sad not just because of the end of the fight but because he liked hurting her The animation was amazing though
@Vezor It must be so frustrating to know you can do better than what you've been ultimately obligated to do, to have all those ideas that are never going to be explored character, and know people won't view the show exactly the way you wanted them to because of time restriction... But for the time they had, I guess it wasn't too bad.
The final fight scene wasn't lame I don't know what you mean by that. did we really need to SEE Pink Diamond? like why? Spinel didn't exactly mean "nothing" in terms of steven learning he may need to fight sometimes from the movie
Wait Question When two people fuse, they experience each others' mental states and worries. We saw when Stevonnie was training that both Connie and Steven's worries made their concentrations falter and made them see **literal hallucinations**. Amethyst is the only Gem that fuses with Steven in Future. Connie also fuses with Steven. But like, Connie's a human and she's only fused with Steven. I can forgive her for not knowing the ins and outs of this weird thing. Amethyst? She's 6,000 years old and she's fused with the entirety of the CGs. She's the older sister. And she experienced Steven's Pink Outburst in the form of that quickie speed boost. The idea that Amethyst, as Smoky Quartz, did not see or feel an inkling of all this PTSD that was manifesting within Steven, is just a tad hard to swallow. I can swallow it, it's just like 'damn sis, you slipped hard'
Sugar said that when gems fuse, the fusions only know things that the components let them know. That’s why Sardonyx didn’t know that Rose Quartz was Pink Diamond, for example. Also, Steven’s new power in that scene was brought upon by the stress of the scene, not his PTSD. His body reacts to his stress more intensely and gave him the supper speed
@@flopps1051 But then, why did Stevonnie see Connie's classmate and Steven's enemies/mom? Steven knew none of her classmates, and I'm sure Connie didn't know about Jasper or Eyeball or Bismuth--and especially not about all the problems with Rose.
@@juanpablorobayo9891 If that's what Steven or Connie were thinking about while as Stevonnie, then that's what Stevonnie thinks about. RS compared fusions to children; they only know what you tell them. Connie, herself, might not have really understood it, but Steven/Stevonnie were thinking about it and that's why it manifested.
Rebecca said she didnt want Pearl to be defined by her relationships, which is so bs. The entire show Pearl was absolutely defined by her relationship with Rose and everytime it felt like she had moved on she went right back and it was kind of frustrating. I also wish she got with Bismuth just to confirm once and for all Pearl was making her own choices and was no longer affected by Rose/Pink and their relationship. Ugh. Whatever
@Elisa Castro lol I dont ship anything in su except Garnet and Stevonnie but nice try. I just think Pearl actually moving on from Rose/Pink and being in a relationship to confirm this would've been cool. But stay mad I guess
@@AdmiralChimp yea, confirmed with Pearl's line about not knowing humans came with pink hair, confirming her attraction was solely based on mystery girl looking like Rose. It's so bad fhfjjf
@@violetviruss Pearl's complete obsession with Rose even past her death while it was an interesting theme and concept to explore, always left me uncomfortable because it was freaking Steven's mom. Just super awkward and insensitive to Steven, always made me feel bad for him
@@AdmiralChimp also her doing things like almost letting Steven fall and die and Steven never being upset about it are so weird. Like you said, it's a super interesting trait to explore, but shes never shown consequences of obsessing over Rose like that. It hyperfocuses on her just being sad and it leads to her character feeling like it's going in circles instead of displaying the different layers and emotions of grief, even tho the show set that up!
I really wish shattering was permanent and over the last few episodes steven was slowly corrupted instead of just insta corruption and i don't really get why his ptsd decide to react by making him more of a diamond slow corrupton would have been a better setup
It wasn't really corruption, just another variant of Steven's mental state affecting his physical form. Like when his age kept fluctuating in Too Many Birthdays. In this instance, he thought he was a monster, so he turned into one.
Go rewatch too many birthdays or cat fingers. It is basically that kind of dynamic and isn’t really the type of corruption like seen with eyeball or which wasn’t natural but artificially inflicted by the diamonds. It seems mental based which likely go hand and hand with the ptsd. Steven and gems take on forms which they think they are mentally. Those filler type episodes displayed that a bit and probably should be prerequisite to understanding this arch.
If Jasper stayed shattered that scene of Steven trying to bring her back would've been much more emotional but instead they just pulled off a 2nd fake out death.
@@rebellsprout5754 exactly corruption depends on a gems state of mind a la jasper who was corrupted cause she kept getting beaten lapis wouldn't refuse with her and cause she fused with another gems whose mind was corrupted if steven didn't turn into a monster i'd be inclined to agree with Daniel Wilson but he does become a monster like corruption Edit: cat fingers is a little different but to many birthdays is like a pseudo-corruption its cause his state of mind
@@thebanjoorder4446 But he only became a monster because he thought he was one; it wasn't real corruption. You don't fix actual Gem corruption by just getting group hugged.
One of the biggest issues I have with this epilogue series is that Steven faces no consequences for his actions towards others. He unshatters Jasper, White Diamond completely forgives him even though he tried to kill her, he destroys a hospitals room, and many more examples where he faces no consequences. Okay, he corrupts, but he's not getting shit from any characters other than himself. I also don't like that Stevens actions were excused on the premise that "he has a mental illness." I, as a person who does have mental illnesses, don't feel great about Steven having that as a scapegoat, even though it is never deliberately said that way, it is implied. Just my opinion as someone who watched the show since it first came out. Good video dude
I agree although considering White tried to kill Steven before I don't think she has much of a right to be mad.I'm not excusing Stevens actions either.
@@PeterGriffin11 Which is understandable. White tried to off Steven. So therefore it was kind of karma coming her way. But... that being said, Steven having committed an act like that was definitely... not all that great.
squish If that bothers you than you should feel frustrated about almost every character lmao. Spinel doesn’t get any consequences for trying to kill every living being on Earth, neither does White for literally being the source of everyone’s problems, neither do Blue and Yellow, or Bismuth for wanting to kill Steven, or Lapis for doing the same, or Peridot for doing the same etc. Anyways you can’t really judge someone going through a psychosis as if they were aware of their actions. That doesn’t mean that anyone with a mental illness can just do wrong things, but you can’t judge him like a sane person. And I get this might be personal to you, I obviously don’t know what you were diagnosed of and at what age, but I don’t think the show is saying something problematic by implying that people going through psychosis can’t really be blamed, and understand that because of your personal experience you might think the opposite.
Mohamed Diarra I actually don’t like spinel or lapis. I know as characters they’re good. I know they’re mentally ill. But both were just instantly forgiven. Bismuth’s bad made sense. The diamonds murdered people and Steven defended them. And peridot actually sacrificed her rank and her pride for the purpose of growth. Spinel just cried a bit and then she was redeemed. Lapis just cried about not seeing homeworld and she was redeemed. I would like them if they went through an arc like peridot but they couldn’t and also spinel didn’t have time.
@@jadedluvr It was wrong of them leaving Steven with them too. Steven was trying to move on but they are suck dwelling about the past. Greg was in the wrong too.He didn't give Steven a normal life. He gave Steven too much freedom. After what Steven's been though, he wanted stability.
@@josephinamungaray6118 Absolutely agree with this. Just making a joke at the expense of the characters. Edit: It wasn't his smartest or most thoughtful moment, but in Future, they give him a lot of out of character moments. It's understandable at times, but frustrating at others.
It’s a shame you have to make that “it’s my opinion” disclaimer in the first place. If you’re making a claim it’s obviously what you think like why are people so insecure lol
Its because most people are Whiny babies who don't like to be challenged or see things in multiple perspectives. Fandoms nowadays have become the new religious denominations fighting eachother over what's right and what's wrong.
I agree but the final ep is very emotional for most steven universe as people like me who were 13 and now 19 just watched there childhood finish but otherwise good video keep up the good work☺
sober splash yeah, I mean I liked him in the original show, he's just been on stand by for 3-5, like he's got a checklist going "uh huh..yeah,, be anxious in the exact same tone as ever other emotion" Least know I'm getting actual emotion from him. When he's doing better than the three main actors fkr the Gems, you know vocal direction for this show isn't great
Well he was (and is) going through some things, where he found himself relating to Steven, with his own mental health problems. I think part of his performance was channel his real life emotions he was feeling into his speech.
The ending scene where everyone took their turns one-upping the others with how much blame they carry for the situation made me think of the first finale of Futurama where the Robot Devil got pissed off at the writing in Fry's opera. "YOU CAN'T JUST HAVE YOUR CHARACTERS ANNOUNCE HOW THEY'RE FEELING! THAT MAKES ME FEEL ANGRY!"
I honestly should probable see some praise....since im the kind of positive fan who just likes to just torture myself by just watching negative videos lol
I think some of his points make sense but I also think Steven Universe was made for children and Steven universe future for teenagers who have positive memories from their childhood. I highly doubt this series was made for teenagers who haven enjoyed seasons 1 - 4 as a child. The opinions are interesting doe.
I really did ended up liking SU Future and Steven as a character slowly turning into madness. Which surprised me cause I consider S5 the worst season of the show. But with that being said I think the biggest blue ball Future did were the threats that the opening showed. Jasper? Wasn't really a threat and more of her just being stubborn. The 2 Lapis were weak and never was heard from again. Bluebird was weak and never was heard from again. Cactus Monster Steven was eh at best. Monster Steven was resolved EXTREMELY quickly. And what I think was the BIGGEST blue ball this show did was the Pink White Diamond tease. It ended up literally being nothing.
I didn't really seem them as threats. More or less as that they are personal issues Steven has to deal with before he's semi normal & fine with moving forward with his life. That's just my take.
@@R.J.Productions616 In hindsight yea, but we know that now that the show ended. The opening made it seem like they'd be villians and threats coming for the crystal gems. They all looked so cool and threatening in the opening, especially Pink WD and Monster Steven. From my perspective, many people were hyping them up (Maybe except for Cactus Steven) and with good reason as the shot give that sort of atmosphere. In my opinion they should've just had Monster Steven and maybe Bluebird. And while you may have a point, I don't see it as the 2 other Lapis were more of a battle for our Lapis cause Steven barely did anything in that episode and again Jasper wasn't even much of a problem for Steven. I still stand by Pink WD being a big blue ball because while it does represent how Steven doesn't want to be a Diamond, the scene itself lasted less than a minute or two. I just wish they did MORE with them cause they all had so much potential. But I guess that problem itself is with the show's horrible runtime of 11 minutes per episode.
i think that image should’ve never existed, people were already hyped and it ruined the hype of white diamond, jasper and fans figuring out its corrupted steven made it underwhelming
My biggest gripe with this show overall is the hate/lack of empathy they throw towards Pink Diamond/Rose at every opportunity they gave. It felt very against the nature of the show, and I kept hoping that they'd fix that one thing and they never did :/ I feel like that one issue connects to the issues everyone has with the show overall. The second they revealed that Pink Diamond was definitively dead- was one of the worse decisions they could have made. It just made her to be a narrative punching bag that couldn't explain her actions nor defend herself from all the accusations and hard feelings they had towards her. And she was then made out to be the biggest villain in the show(above the other diamonds, even) and it was never ever resolved. That change in feelings towards Rose/PD by all the characters, forced the story to change accordingly- because the show runners refused to allow the characters to come to understand her; despite the shows overall message of forgiveness and people being able to grow. Rose didn't have much of a choice but to start a war(pearl confirmed it), she did so to save earth and help set it's people free.... And she did so as SOON as she realized that they were killing life on the planet. Deep down, pink was extremely caring(one of the traits Steven inherited from her) and dreamed that gems could someday live freely- thats what she fought for. Pink had her share of problems, like disregarding peoples feelings when those feelings involved her; but none of what she did was so bad that it warranted her the reputation she now has. Especially when she was considered a war hero up until they found out she was Pink Diamond(Even though her being Pink Diamond changed next to nothing. What they were fighting for was the same regardless). I don't know. I feel like Rose was thrown waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay under the bus. To the point that her son doesn't even want to think about her... And thats all because he now views her as more of a villain than a hero. You might say 'well, it's her fault that he was put through all this stuff... so it's valid he feels that way' and yeah sure. I'm positive that's what the crewinverse was going for.... However the issue is that that perception is only achieved because they demonized Rose to do it(If she had stayed a hero, Steven would have still been proud that she was his mom and a lot of these bad feelings would never have manifested). If the show had followed through with it's own morals; they would have put aside the fact that she was a diamond and evaluated her as the person she grew to become, Rose Quartz, and not who she was before the war started. And to me, their failure to do so makes this entire show extremely hypocritical, especially when the other three diamonds(At least, before the movie and Future tried to cover it up) and Jasper received far more forgiveness and leeway than they actually deserved. IDK. It just leaves a bad taste in my mouth when I really want to like this show. Everything went downhill after 'Change your mind'.
woah that was very spot on on how I feel about the whole Rose Quartz/Rose being the villain topic as well. Like I felt more empathy towards her than Jasper and (especially) the Diamonds
Perfectly summed up how I feel about Steven and PD'S relationship. Sure, PD has done some bad shit, but ultimately her actions (faking her death & shaking the belief that diamonds are 'perfect', starting a war against literal dictators) were the basis to saving earth. Steven judging her past self when he's no better(bruh, steven shattered a gem) made it hard to take his actions seriously as the writers intended it to be. I hated the future episode where steven kinda joked around the problem, like 'just another mistake my mom made'. He also tries to compare his own issues with his father, degrading the trauma greg has been through. And everything gets explained with PTSD, as if that's a legit excuse. I get that rose was glorified by the gems before but Steven has to take her seriously.
PD was undeniably kinda an ass, but she wasn’t evil. Yet the show treats her as if she’s more unredeemable than the 3 genocidal space tyrants lol? How?? How come the other diamonds get treated as quirky aunts but Pink is just treated as total trash I just don’t get their decisions there?
I feel like the idea of Steven trying to figure out his mental state sounds great but they execution was terrible. I was so disappointed by SU Future. The finale felt so empty to me.
I also feel the very same! The concept is really great but I really felt the execution could have been so much greater. I didn’t feel as much as an impact towards the end.
@@haileycarnine4370 I clearly remember the ending moments of shows like Adventure Time and Gravity Falls. They were sad, but also gave one final feel for the show as a whole. Steven Universes ending was... the gems crying to the point of it being comedic and Steven driving off? It was way too cheesy and the show hadn't earned a moment like that. It's so weird because SU was once the show that was known for making everyone cry, but the ending left me feeling nothing but disappointment.
The show needed more episodes, and the ability to have some episodes with a longer runtime, but CN didn't allow it, so they were forced to work with what they had.
This is a long one Stevens corruption went by to fast and it didn't feel big enough it terms of scale for a few reasons in my opinion. The whole fight took place in front of Stevens house it would've been nice to see Steven partially destroy beach city while the gems and diamonds struggle to calm Steven down while protecting the citizens instead the fight just takes place in front of his house. I think more characters should've gotten involved as well I liked seeing The cluster, diamonds and spinel as well as Bismuth, Peridot and Lapis getting involved but Lars & The Off Colors and Beach City citizens should've gotten involved and his corruption should've last for at least 2 or even 3 episodes in my opinion. It also felt strange that Cactus Steven, Mean Lapis and Blue Bird Azurite never came back and Jasper's character didn't seem to change with her training Steven and eventually accepting him as her diamond only to be rejected by him I liked Steven Universe future but it could've benefited from having more episodes we never even found out what was in the chest. Steven leaving Beach city also made sense but I think he left too soon he has no education, has been shown to be socially awkward around people at times due to his unnatural upbringing & he has no job how is he supposed to make it on his own? Some other smaller things I didn't like was how Garnet Amethyst or Pearl never told Bismuth, Lapis or Peridot that Steven ran from home and was acting strange, we never found out how Steven truly feels about his mother now, Jasper didn't stay shattered and we didn't see a new fusion in the finale.
Meg Griffin The fact that the fight takes place in a limited area doesn’t undermine the capacity of destruction Steven is presented to have since he is still shown to cause earthquakes by stepping and is said to be stronger than the cluster. Jasper did change though. Of course Jasper being Jasper still is pretty much below the other characters in term of development, she is the ever loyal soldier. But it’s clear that she joined Little Homeschool, which is not supposed to be a little detail but a big deal, she is as well on the path of healing. Yes, Steven leaving Beach City will probably make him struggle, but that’s the point right. He still has to grow and going out there, exploring his humanity throughout his country, will make him grow, even if it’ll be harder for him than for someone else. I think it’s very inspiring and it’s just such a Steven Universe-like bittersweet but utterly positive direction.
@@mohameddiarra9722 I didn't realize Jasper joined little home School I thought she only came there to see Steven either way I guess it is nice to see her join little homeschool but we didn't see her character grow on screen or why she decided to join but instead we just got that short scene which was unsatisfying in my opinion. As for the fight in my opinion it taking place In such a small contained area on top of it lasting one episode made it feel too contained like I said before I still liked the episode but it wasn't perfect and it could've been better in my opinion.
Yeah, I like to say that if Steven isn't near a scene the entire Universe around him gets a Za Warudo. For example after the Wanted Special... You can't tell me that the gems just arrived at his home or that connie cut her hair or Lars escaping Homeworld happenrd all off screen. If I would could make Videos I would do Videos about certain characters that are handled like Steven just to show how much plot is missing. For example Ducktales and Dewey gets the Steven treatment. We wouldn't see Magica and Lena at all and only the scenes that he is involved. If the attention shifts to a completely different location it will be cut out.
I find that a large part of my disappointment and contention with this overall series is that there is a lack of consequences, and actual solutions for problems. While I have had large bouts of mental illness around Steven’s age, I find that him going from yelling at his father should have been the furthest he had gone. The fact that Steven has done awful things throughout this entire series; I.e: Yelling and triggering an abuse survivor (Volleyball), Killing Someone (Jasper), blowing off everyone’s concerns because he is angsty now, even when his loved ones offer to hear him out (Connie). All of that is something that should have large consequences, at the very least not have Jasper revive so that Steven didn’t have to look bad. I think it's frustrating when you see Steven do awful and shitty things, only for him to basically get off the hook numerous times. They never even addressed Jasper’s shattering like. At all? I didn’t understand, just because you revive someone doesn’t just blow off the fact that you killed someone? I found that so jarring. Sidetracking off that, but I find that people comparing SU with Bojack Horseman kinda insulting. Bojack Horseman was very much a show about consequences and how people deal with their actions. Bojack also did awful terrible things to numerous people within his life. But differently, then Steven we saw him trying to make changes (season 2 beginning, season 5, etc.) We actively see Bojack getting better, and wanting to change, even when he fucks up royally. Whereas Steven actively resists help at any and all costs. It gets so bad that he turns into a monster only furthering that he could have harmed the entire town if the plot didn’t bullshit its way out of Steven actually having consequences towards his actions and decisions. I find myself more sympathetic towards Bojack more than Steven, even if Bojack did more awful things than Steven did. Due to the fact that I could very much see him struggling almost endlessly to be a better person. At the end of Steven Universe, I still didn’t really get that. They threw in seeing a therapist when Steven should have been doing that once someone suggested it or just at the beginning if he could have recognized that himself. Sorry if this isn't the most put together, I just had to ramble feelings out because this entire show has been like a weird acid trip
Oh, so Steven is forgiven for fucking up by the same people who contributed to this situation and did much MUCH worse to him in the past? You don't say?! It's almost like he forgave everyone who's ever fucked up with him and shoved his own feelings down so he could help them instead... nah.
steven ignoring others made sense really... but his consequences? well they existed his own mental state was getting worse and jasper being shattered was brought up. it would have been nice and made sense to see monster steven destory stuff...although we did see that with normal steven
@@gamaielgacasan8962 I would be certain that was a joke had I not heard from a teacher friend that most of her elementary students don't even understand the concept of highlighting text. Don't be content to passively consume kid you got rough times ahead, we all do.
If they had to rush to make the ending, why didn't the remove the useless filler in future and use those episodes as a chance to slowly show him breaking down. Everything felt so discombobulated and fake. It wasn't even realistic that hugs solved his problems. Years of trauma and a hug solves it all? Them all apologizing? He never got to yell at them for the things they did to him they don't even know about how their problems affected him because he doesn't get to say it. Overall though, for me, the biggest injustice was the fact that in Steven's final breakdown he isn't blaming anyone else he's STILL blaming himself he's STILL calling himself the problem. The fact that Connie was even needed to tell the ENTIRETY of the cast that they were what caused his problems is the dumbest shit ever. Felt like a fake anime moment. Did I cry during the finale, yes. But it wasn't because everything ended well. If the voice actors didn't carry the script, it would be entirely evident that it was super rushed. As most rushed endings go, production covers bad writing. That's all there is to it.
I was confused with steven calling himself a monster. He always tried to do the best he could. No matter who the person was. Steven is well characterized as someone who cared. Why was he so self hating? That was my thought process the whole time.
The hug never solved his problems, the hug calmed him down. The show said in the last few mintues of the last episodes that he went to a therapist and months past by in the final few mintues.
@@josesosa3337 He called himself a monster because he became "worse than his mother", remeber when he had to get rid of Eyeball to save himself? He hated doing it because he didn't want to shatter or hurt people like his mom, Rose; Only thing that, while it was revealed Pink never did, he did ... the self blaming comes since the Aquamarine arc (or sooner probably) where everything that happened to people and gem stuff was because of him, so he felt like he had to take the blame and fix everything like he did in thar arc and after ... the thing that he hurted people in a way his mother never ever think about and how he should be a fixing angel instead of an ordinary teen made him completely destroy the immage he had of himself, what he should've been ... as Steven is very insecure and drammatic, he jumped from an extreme to the opposite Note, this is what HE tought, I don't think he's bad or toxic by any means if you think about it ... Aqua and Eye have big parts in all this
No one gonna comment on how he absolutely PLOWED through that steel soul play-through?! That's was like a legitimately good speed run (except for saving Zote haha)
Don't forget how Volleyball got sidelined after her episode and never got fixed, how Jasper never got developed, Stevonnie/Connie never had any use besides support (even though she trained and got a sword) and basically became the chick, how Lars and Sadie had to end so that the writers could make him outlive her without reality ensuing...
i will never forgive rebecca for not giving us the proper lapis and peridot resolution. they just smiled and swept it under the carpet umm??? and the fusion as a bonus of course. the. freaking. lapidot. fusion.
Volleyball’s eye is left up to interpretation on purpose, hence why it’s covered by a plant in everything’s fine, and Jasper did get developed, she’s just a really stubborn person who’s stuck in her old ways, it’s that simple- Stevonnie isn’t supposed to be “of use” it’s not for fighting, even tho it can’t be it’s mainly a physical representation of their bond and mutual love of each other, and Connie was never “the chick” she’s always been a very close friend and companion to Steven, someone to grow up with him, Lars and Sadie ended because they grew apart, it’s a thing that happens, it happened to me, and they wanted to show that sometimes life is just that way, and people move on and change
@@ScapeVEVO what they did to jasper was by far the worst shit ive ever seen done to a character. developed? sure. just made her become incredibly stupid and left her obsessive trauma-induced fucked up way of respect as a punchline and gag.
@@shadowdahfuckinhedgehawg4946 What they did to Jasper is definitely, by far, a really bad writing mistake. They didn't just mishandle her character poorly. They literally didn't change her at all besides making her about the same. Yeah she develops... but barely at all.
@@ScapeVEVO things being left up to interpretation on purpose isn't always a good thing either. yeah lets just leave a character's scars of abuse remain or not for interpretation of the viewer. lets leave everything up to interpretation lets leave the entire story up for interpretation if it was all just a dream. and what they mean by connie "being the chick" was that she pretty much just got less interesting after her sword fighting. she became a love interest to steven. her character is being smart and loving steven. there were a lot of theories going around if connie had ptsd of her own and was hiding it, which now that i think about it: imagine if connie had actually shared with steven that she has trauma from all the fucked up things that she endured throughout her life along with steven and said that stevens not alone. imagine that happened instead of connie being like "lets fucking save steven everyone!" and kissed him. it feels that connie was never really her own character after sword fighting. just a best friend later lover for steven to have in the future. and for the most part im ok with lars and sadie separating.
Yes omg finally someone said it !! The finale was a complete disappointment and it especially irked me on how they had to use that dumb overused cliche of everything being solved by everyone just hugging corrupt steven and connie's 'epic' (but honestly tiring and cringey) speech :/ it just felt so rushed and reminded me of white diamonds turnaround of when she turned good.
1. Limited time and episodes - RS said there were a lot that should've been resolved if they were given more episodes to air. 2. They couldn't hurt Steven - They didn't want to risk losing Steven by fighting him all out. Greg was also there and I know he wouldn't want to see Steven getting hurt physically. It's the only solution that would make sense even though it was cliché. Unless you have ideas you might want to share? 3. The diamonds' redemption arc carried over to Future, so at least we saw some questions being answered.
@@wreckss8223 1. They could have cut back on the townie stuff if they were working with time restraints. 2. My suggestion, have monster Steven do more than roar and thrash around. He's a Diamond, there should be a little more of a struggle to even get near him. Have him blast some pink energy, or create gem spikes with one swipe of his tail; or even use all of his normal Steven abilities in tandem like making bubble shields around himself.
@@palerider9952 Replace the townie stuff with what? Future was literally supposed to focus on that stuff or the human aspect of Steven hence explaining how most of the series were building up to his struggles as a hybrid. edit: plus the fact that Lapis was able to barely hold him off; and it was shown that Lapis can already do that to a diamond (Blue)
Karl Hunter They literally state he wasn't corrupted, that he simply transformed. Even if he was corrupted, I'm sure they can make an exception for a corrupted Diamond and give him his powers.
BlackWidow Oh, not just Future; I mean they should have cut down on townie stuff as a whole. I've been hearing "time constraints" thrown around since Season 2; but literally every animated show has time constraints. They should have worked around it and cut down on slice of life stuff to tell their story. Gem War stuff, Homeworld's origins, Diamond Lore; etc. I never mentioned Lapis; my point was that Steven should be using more of his abilities if they were building them up all season.
Steven irritated me to not end once his trauma started to show - the writers seemed like they WANTED him to snap and bent the plot into a pretzel to make Steven snap, taking people out of the plot as needed to ensure Steven snaps, and making him refuse to talk about his problems. Steven has always been the most caring, open and empathetic person on the show, often putting Naruto to shame with his Talk No Jutsu powers. I get that trauma can make people act irrationally, but the writers basically dogpiled the stress onto Steven all at one to the point I could not suspend my disbelief. If a show is written for people to just enjoy and wants them to just not consider its bad writing, it's a badly written show. Jasper's shattering ultimately amounted to nothing of consequence to the overall plot, it was done primarily for shock value. I also don't buy that Steven has been dealing with trauma since episode 1, the vast majority of the first 5 seasons had him experience basically NO lasting trauma to all the f'ed up stuff he went through. Even with a supporting care group Steven was characterised as being largely immune to stress and trauma - remember how reaction to Peridot's stressing out the Cluster was going to DESTROY the Earth? He was TOTALLY chill about literal earth-SHATTERING danger. If we saw hints of his trauma in the first seasons I would have bought it more, but it's clear the Crewniverse were NOT setting up a trauma season when writing the first 5 seasons.
I mean there was some trauma in Full disclosure when Steven was trying to grasp the whole, thinking the crystal gems were dead when they were de-stabilised and the lapis and jasper forming malachite and nit speaking to Connie because of it. But other than that it was more like crying for a few minutes and then gaining courage from whoever was there solving it then and there with a fight or him talking sense into them (smth like Smoky Quartz, Holo Pearl, The Cluster etc)
The trauma is totally *there* if you watch older seasons; I think the Crewniverse just was a bit too subtle Which you can say about a lot of things they do in the show; it’s for kids after all, you might need to make things a bit more blatant
@@yabazyabacoffee I think you are giving the writers too much credit. Pulling a handful of random episodes to justify Future's handling of Steven's character does not explain the vast majority of the series where Steven was showing no signs of trauma. Also consider how Steven completes the original series, and going into the movie - no trauma, no stress, he was all geared up for his happily ever after, and he basically gets it once Spinel is dealt with. Then Future happened and the resolved issues Steven, you know, resolved, come back tenfold.
@@sobersplash6172 I think you are giving the writers too much credit. Pulling a handful of random episodes to justify Future's handling of Steven's character does not explain the vast majority of the series where Steven was showing no signs of trauma. Also consider how Steven completes the original series, and going into the movie - no trauma, no stress, he was all geared up for his happily ever after, and he basically gets it once Spinel is dealt with. Then Future happened and the resolved issues Steven, you know, resolved, come back tenfold.
CrimsonJPEG yeah I agree. I thought the ending was touching and I’d give it a decent 9/10. However if they were given more time, it would’ve been even better.
The only thing I liked about Jasper coming back from being shattered was Steven's line in his breakdown where he's like "don't worry! I fixed that too! I can fix *anything*! I can just keep messing up-" blah blah. We didn't necessarily need the shattering for that line to still be used, but to me it gave more of a dreadful oomph that in his current state of mind he was trying to rationalize killing someone as no big deal because he was able to take it back. It still is a big deal that he killed someone, at least emotionally if for no other reason. That being said, I still would have preferred her staying shattered and Steven having to come to terms with the fact that he can't fix all of his "mistakes" and if he's not careful they can have permanent ramifications.
Also: How the gem inner circle got turned into insensitive two dimensional characters who were only there for the plot to develop and who constantly ignored Steven, even though there were episodes like the Marble robonoids' one or the Blue Diamond in Korea one, where the gems were quick to find and rescue Steven when he needed them. Not to mention the time everyone took Steven on a "Gemcation" in the hopes of having him open up to them. Honestly, it's ridiculous how the plot of Prickly Pair never got mentioned again and how the gems simply dismissed Steven's behaviour during that episode.
Spirit of the Harvest Moon I think you are forgetting a lot about these characters and the show. Steven was a liar. Throughout the show he has been keeping very serious feelings for himself and the Gems never really knew. The Test is the first episode he does this but it becomes an habit for Steven to not focus on himself but keep fixing everyone else’s problems. And it’s not out of character for the Gems to be oblivious to that. And even then they couldn’t force him talk, they tried but he always ran away etc. In Prickly Pair, it was the first time they might have had an idea that something was wrong but they didn’t act on him because it became such a huge deal in the original show for Steven to ask the Gems to trust him, plus they had no idea of the extent of what he was going through until Fragments beginning. But they were still there and they still tried, and they weren’t written as people who didn’t care.
@@mohameddiarra9722 come on, Steven, unlike his mom (or is it "like his mom before Rose"?), can't lie for shit. By one third of the season I'm sure some of the main gems have asked him if he was okay out of concern, and that suspicion doesn't go away with a "yeah, I'm fine", specially after several incidents. The truth is they dumbed down the entire cast to give some reason for Steven to continue to feel bad about himself for an entire season, and even went as far as bend the world so that Steven's mistakes seem like not that big of a deal to an audience who constantly tries to justify murder just because their dear character committed it.
The CGs were always asking him if there were something bothering Steven, it was Steven who ignored them, said he was fine and left them on hold. All they could do was take his word for it mostly because you can't force someone to open up.
@@mohameddiarra9722 what the fuck. he isn't lyar. also this whole future arc is repeat of season 4 rose quartz liar arc. steven is frustrated with Rose and how she did things, but he accepts it and kinda forgives her. episode 3&4 Steven overreacts to quartzes he's never seen before, then gets almost mad when Volleyball tells it was Pink who damaged her eye (and by some reason he hides it from Pearl). It's like they ignored Storm in the Room (one of best episodes to me) and forced characted attitude shift for the sake of making him Godzilla.
I think the best way to sum up my thoughts is really just, *Huh, it’s over now.* I’ve spent years investing time and emotional energy into this show that I can’t NOT like it. I didn’t spend almost 4 years watching this show to hate it. But I think what I enjoy are little _moments_ inside a bigger whole. I enjoyed jailbreak and the main gems and peridots redemption and countless other _moments_ in the show, and I was willing to excuse some of the negatives people had like lapis kind of not being great, but was EXTREMELY upset by other aspects like always needing Steven’s perspective and everything about the diamonds. But overall, I still find myself returning to those little moments that I enjoyed, despite my frustration. The finale just amplified those emotions at a much faster speed and by the end it just melded into “Welp, glad that’s over”
I agree with you about stuff like the steven perspective issue and the diamonds and really enjoying steven universe honestly though I don't lapis is a bad character at all believe it or not like many seem to think im both glad and sad the show is over glad cause well it's lived it's life now and sad since this was one of the shows I can say was "part of my kid childhood" and seeing little steven singing "we are the crystal gems" now seems pretty emotional
@@Jdudec367 I don't think lapis is a TERRIBLE character, but I feel like the writers did her dirty. We didn't see her development like how we saw peridot's redemption arc. My problem isn't really with lapis, it's with because steven wasn't there to see Lapis grow, the audience didn't see her grow either.
@@emuscreeches6092 honestly the thing about lapis is even thiough we didn't see eberything I wouldn't say we didn't see her develop because we certainly did I don't think see was really poorly written I would say we did see her grow but sime stuff like her realiation she messed up on the moon was off screen
I swear, this show should've died and been declared a failure years ago. The only reason it's still thought of as a revolutionary ground breaking cartoon is because it still has such an obnoxiously large and overly dedicated fanbase that's easily swayed by the most feeble LGBT representation and keeps holding onto it while making over complex theories over the most mundane things. They do everything in their power out of some sort of desperation to make it seem like Steven Universe is this complex and timeless modern classic (Or this generation's Avatar as IGN laughably put it) when in reality Rebecca Sugar didn't think a single thing through. It did have some really good ideas and it is something different and special that we’ve never seen before, but the way it was executed is beyond terrible.
@@briangriffin9314 I mean I do think SU is heavily flawed, but I still like it anyway but that might be because I can't help but value themes over good writing
My problem with the ending of SUF is that stupid time skip they put in at the last episode. It was like going through emotional whiplash. You cannot have Steven cry at the end of "I am My Monster" and suddenly be happy and cheerful at the very beginning of the last episode. That's very bad storytelling, especially if you are trying to tackle a problem that every single person has to go through. If they had like one more episode between the two episodes I mentioned, and that same episode talked and showed how Steven recovers from his trauma and how Steven came to his conclusions in the last episode, I would have been fine with it. But the product we got just had bad storytelling and unresolved issues.
@@Mario87456 but the thing is that maybe they should have at least made an episode telling us how Steven came up with his ideas for the future and then do a 4 month time skip. It's just kind of pointless if you don't show us how Steven gets better. And yes the final episode did tell us how he did that, but that's the keyword: "Tell". They "told" us that Steven got a therapist. They "told" us Steven was leaving Beach City. If we do not see how Steven came up with these ideas, then that (in my opinion) slaps the face of anyone going through the symptoms Steven's went through. Sorry to make this long and complicated.
Rebecca didn’t show Steven’s therapy session because it would be an invasion of privacy. It’s a cartoon character, who cares if his therapy sessions are shown? They’re essential to watch him develop.
I watched the finale yesterday and I couldn’t really figure out why I didn’t like it, aside from the obvious gripe of loose ends that were never tied up (Steven’s feelings about Rose, Rose’s treasure chest, etc.) This video did a great job vocalizing a lot of my opinions, so thank you! Great content as always.
None of those had to be tied up... Steven's feelings about his mother were expressed multiple times, especially in Future. And the chest was never important, don't see why it had to be expanded upon
Steven Universe: "Greg's a good father, even though he's poor he does his best and Rose was able to see a diamond in the rough with him. He's great even if he's not perfect. A symbol of what good fathers should be." Steven Universe Future: "Just kidding, he ran away from home and chose to live in a van for his entire adult life, and never took his son to the doctor or sent him to school! Because all your heroes are secretly bad!"
well he is still good in the end that wasn't ever retconned but it showed he did things that would disappoint Steven to again like you said he's not perfect.
@@Jdudec367 Yeah, and we did get some foreshadowing with Uncle Anthony being mad at Greg for leaving the family, so it's not like this came out of nowhere--but still, it's like, Jesus is *everyone* a self-centered idiot?
@@juanpablorobayo9891 well honestly looking at the crystal gems eh not usually Steven normally isn't (despite what someone like EZ PZ may say) Greg honestly likely bought the beach house for the gems and Steven and the first place. and Rose? what she did was either selfless or selfish depending on how you look at it. I mean she gave up everything just for Steven to be born which can be seen as pretty selfless. but at the same time she abandoned all of her work and pushed it all onto Steven which can be seen as selfish.
What Ive taken away from this show is that its always reaching for these intense/emotional/ triumphant moments that the stories do not warrant, every concept the writers introduce seem cool. but the execution leaves them tasting under cooked every gosh damn time! The show feels like it peaked at Jail break in my opinion, the show promises and never delivers to the fullest, heck, they never even revealed what was in Rose's chest.
Bash If you actually cared about that cheat then the show got you. You weren’t supposed to care about this in Steven Universe Future. Because SUF is not about Rose anymore, with Steven understanding that she doesn’t exist at all anymore there’s no reason for him to continue trying to understand who she was especially as he doesn’t want to.
@@mohameddiarra9722 that cheat? also the point was not about the chest. That was an example. It was hyping up darker/more serious themes and then treating them lightly. It leaves a bad feeling of being cheated all around.
Mohamed Diarra You ARE supposed to care about the chest because the writers went out of their way to show Steven trying to open the chest up with that oversized key and hence calling direct attention to it. The fact that the chest wasn't opened right then and there and left for later is what's known in writing as a "promise." That promise being that eventually this chest will be open and it's contents revealed. I agree with you that thematically it would make more sense for the chest to be opened in SU and not SUF. The fact that it wasn't opened in SU and was just shown open in the movie means that the only time slot allotted for the fulfillment of the promise was in SUF. It's not getting "got." It's bad writing. It means there doesn't even need to be a chest there. Just fill the space with another painting of Rose or something and be done with it.
@@Bluedragon094 is not bad writting at all, the fact that steven interacts with it a single time is not a promess of any kind, it could be as Diarra said, irrelevant since steven is their own person and the show is not about rose anymore, or it could be a symbolism of the secrets she took with her to the grave, etc...
The finale itself was very bland and predictable while Future itself was barely mediocre. Some of the dialogue didn't make any sense like the Gems, Greg, and Connie blaming themselves for not being for there for him even they were there for him throughout the entirety Future (and the series in general). The Diamonds (who shouldn't have been redeemed) had their redemption arc off-screen. They changed the consequences of shattering to "redeem" them thus making prior conflicts regarding shattering like with Bismuth and the breaking point pointless. The entire conflict is fixed with a giant hug just a few minutes after he turned into a beast. Steven leaving Beach City is somewhat problematic considering he still legally a minor as he is only 16. There were also many unanswered questions regarding the lore of the Gems and the changed history of Earth due to Gem activity on the planet when the first human civilizations were forming.
Kenny It made sense for Greg and the Gems to blame themselves (not Connie, Connie didn’t blame herself at literally any moment). The reason why it made sense is that’s even though they were there, they didn’t force him to open up, even though Greg was there, he never gave Steven structure and human repairs he cruelly lacks as shown in Bismuth Casual. The Gems still let him prioritize their feelings before his. They were there but not enough. The whole point of the Bismuth and Rose issue was that Rose didn’t want Bismuth to use a weapon to shatter *her*. Even if she was a very self-destructive person, Rose wasn’t so keen on the idea of Bismuth destroying her and her family at a time where it was believed that shattering was irreversible. How should the conflict have ended. A giant hug is the most Steven Universe-like thing they could have pulled off, right. How would you rewrite that? It’s not impossible for teenagers to get emancipated and live on their own around 16 years old, plus Steven Universe is an alternate version of our world. Yes there are still hanging questions but if they weren’t answered it’s probably because they weren’t important? And the show is not about these questions? Not getting all the answers is something very real I believe. That’s my take.
@@mohameddiarra9722 It did not make any sense for Greg and the Gems to blame themselves. They were always asking him if he needed to talk and eventually it became them begging him to open them and each time he refused and pushed them away. You can't force people to open up. Connie had an entire ridiculous speech stating they need to be there for Steven for once. Greg himself never gave him structure because he wasn't in his direct care for most his life. When Steven was no longer a toddler, Greg transferred custody of Steven over to the Gems since he understandably believed they could raise a Gem better than him. Bismuth was smart for taking the war seriously unlike Pink who had no concrete plan to win. Garnet herself in "My Mother and Mine" confirmed they were losing the rebellion with Rose's tactics. Why shouldn't Bismuth want to shatter Pink's evil family that forces Gems into a rigid oppressive caste society that eliminates those deemed defective. Rose herself didn't even view them as family and thought they didn't truly care about her. Bismuth wouldn't have shattered Pink. Bismuth was welcoming to all those who joined their cause. She took the news of Rose's true identity very well. If it was thought that shattering was permanent why is that Yellow knew shatter Gems could be restored? The writers simply removed the consequences of shattering because they don't have the stomach to kill off any characters and to "redeem" the Diamonds in the laziest way possible by making their atrocities reversible. Ending the series with a giant hug was stupid. It's worst than "Change Your Mind" as in that episode Steven has to literally fight his way into White's mech. You mean to tell me that giving Steven a simple hug could have prevented his meltdown? Why are you ok with a show encouraging mentally-ill minors to wander the country without any proper adult supervision? Many of these questions ate important. We never even learned what was in Lion's chest or what the Gems are going to do with that one violent Lapis Lazuli that likes to destroy things.
Kenny But it still made sense because past the fact that they couldn’t force him to talk, it because of them he even had issues in the first place. Greg didn’t give Steven any structure, educational, medical, which caused Steven to discover important stuff about mental health at 16 and made him totally disconnected from his human side. While the Gems put him in dangerous situations over the years and let him prioritize their feelings which caused is trauma and opening up issues. Of course they were all still loving and supporting but neglectful to an extent. Greg giving a human child to three aliens was a not so great idea in the first place. I know Greg’s parenting was influenced by Steven being a gem and Greg believing that he could only do so much for his son but as stated by Steven himself, he could still have used al the human stuff as well. It wouldn’t have hurt him, at the contrary, it would have gave him more clues about who he could be as a human being. I did not say Bismuth was self-destructive. I said that in spite of being self-destructive, *Rose* was comprehensively not okay with Bismuth wanting to shatter her. Even if Rose believed she deserved better than her abusive family that doesn’t mean she doesn’t care if they get killed. Rose still loved the Diamonds to an extent, as stated by Rebecca Sugar: Rose idolized everyone around her; which doesn’t negate the fact that she thought they didn’t love her. And if she was ready to escape from them, she probably wasn’t seeking for revenge. Yellow knew she could assemble pieces of gems and create the cluster experiments. All she had to do was use the fragments of the same gem in the same way and heal their physical form. It doesn’t contradict already established lore about the show except the characters’ beliefs. Except the only there was to do was to give Steven support. Physical, emotional and mental support from family and friends has been proven, scientifically, to have a very powerful effect on you when you’re going through something. It’s very symbolical and grandiose here, but it’s a way to cram this reality into the show. And we all know how good it feels to hug friends and family. Hugging my girlfriends has always made me feel better and emotional discussions with my boyfriends always calmed my panic attacks. I’m using my own experience to try to show that this is indeed relatable and I invite you to do the same.
@@mohameddiarra9722 It didn't make any sense whatsoever as they were always willing to talk to Steven. The Gems were Steven's primary caretakers. How can Greg give structure, education, medical treatment to a child that is not in his custody? The Gems didn't even want him involved in dangerous Gem activity at the start of the show. Pearl even taught Connie that she should be the one doing all the fighting because Steven is far to important. Greg giving his half alien child to the Gems was understandable. Greg didn't even have a home. The Gems in theory should have been well assimilated to human culture since they lived on Earth since the dawn of human civilization. Rose should not be loving her evil oppressive family that supposedly abused her for thousands of years. Why would Rose idolize people corrupting, shattering, and experimenting on her loved ones? It does contradict the show as it previously established that shattered Gems couldn't be reassembled at all. Yet they changed it to make Diamond redemption a thing and to prevent permanently killing their characters. What does bring Jasper back serve plot wise. Absolutely nothing. Shattering Gems is now equal to bubbling them now as they can be restored. Were you not paying attention? They were giving Steven support even before he turned into a beast for 5 minutes. Greg even broke into his estranged parents house to help Steven. The show made it seem that all Steven needed was a hug not his loved reaching out to him to talk about his problems or going to therapy. We don't even Steven go to a therapist. Steven wasn't just having a meltdown. He turned into a mindless beast.
Kenny Well Greg still could. He lived like 10 minutes away lmao. There’s no excuse. It was his responsibility as the only human adult in Steven’s family. Greg still had custody of Steven he only shared it with the Gems. He was still Steven’s father. Yes they didn’t want him in dangerous missions but they still took him with them. Even though he insisted, he was a child who didn’t know better. No matter what were the Crystal Gems’ intentions it still resulted in trauma. And no technicality or idk can erase that you know. Greg knew the Gems. So he knew they knew little to nothing about human children. And I never said it wasn’t understandable for him to let him live with them, just that he might a well had lived with all of them and been here all the time, at least put restrictions when it comes to gems missions etc. Now, I’m not saying that the writers did a mistake by writing parents as people, I’m saying that parents as people make mistakes and it’s normal for them to realize it. Rose should not be loving her evil oppressive family etc. Yeah well, guess what, abuse victims have problems. I know from experience once again that it’s hard to recognize your abuser as someone not to love especially if they are your parent or your sibling etc. That doesn’t mean that it’s right to care for people who are toxic to you. And even then that’s besides the point. I said that to explain why Rose might have not wanted Bismuth to destroy her family but the main reason she was against the Breaking Point was mainly because it was targeting her. (And also Rose didn’t care for the Diamond enough to stay with them, so even if she didn’t want them dead, she didn’t want to be with them). Could you tell me when it was shown in the show that shattered gems couldn’t be reassembled? It was said, by characters who had never tried to, mainly because only 4 of them can, and these 4, for all we know, never had to until SUF.
The ending to Steven Universe as a whole is well... not the greatest. All the points you made were pretty good, Kross. And I pretty much felt just about the same. As for how it feels to have an ending like this? Disappointing? Sad? Frustrating? I mean, I know it's no Voltron or Star Vs. ending (cause we all know how terrible they were), but while Steven Universe wasn't perfect, I wasn't expecting such a... well, underwhelming end. The lead-up to his breakdown was foreshadowed... decently? I guess? But his sudden corruption was quite too rapid for my tastes. A lot of the potential SU Future had was... well, I can't say much else besides it feeling utterly wasted. Maybe it was the writing staff not having enough time to give the epilogue the attention it deserved. But for whatever reason... I guess I'm just sad it still got a particularly crappy ending.
I ubderstand what you are saying and I agree with your comment but I do believe the steven universe staff had enough time to write this show properly. All the beach episodes, the hiatus', the episodes that we think are important that dont even matter in the end. The writers had plenty of time. There was so much wrong with the production.
Theres also the problem where literally every villain in the intro besides jasper only appeared once, and then pink white diamond wasnt even a villain, so why the hell was she in the intro with the other villains?
@@roboknightt04" the odds are against us"? Part of the opening is so eye rolling. Yeah sure. This whole story should have been reorganized. So much wasted potential. Maybe this show promised so much by accident?
Episode 13 was garbage, I'm saying this as a person who is very bias towards the show because I grew up with these characters, and they have had a very real emotional impact on my life. For the majority of the show Stevens more questionable actions can be explained by the fact that he is not emotionally sound when they happened. But in this Steven is so laughably emotionally unintelligent that it really hurts the show as a whole. It's completely out of character for him to do this. It also hurts the much better put together following episode as it is directly related. That being said Stevens actions for the majority of the show are very real for someone in a seriously depressed state. That's why(and I have no idea why you didn't talk about this) Stevens meltdown at the end of of episode 18 felt so impactful. While I agree with you saying that the last episodes tried to 1-up each other with how much they could fuck up Steven. The extreme lengths that they go to make the ending feel reasonable. As for the unshattering, I agree, if he couldn't undo it, it would be more impactful. But this is a PG show on cartoon network, you can't have the protagonist murder an established character on screen. All that being said, Steven universe is a show that cares more about it's emotional impact than it's continuity. And it's fans, as you said, are people who can overlook these errors. I give original show a 7/10(excluding most of season 1), the movie an 8/10, and future a 6.5/10. Even if it has objective flaws, I love these characters, I love this show, good video though, I hope your channel gets bigger this is good stuff.
This is pretty much exactly what I would say about the topics you covered. The only part that gave me pause was the explanation for un-shattering Jasper cause her shattering does happen offscreen and I feel like this show has depicted some pretty terrifying things before. But I totally get your reasoning though.
@@Krossxc That fair, it kinda seems like they wanted to do something super dark and serious, but wimped out at the end. It's really good to see people who dislike the show and talk about why, rather than praising it to death, or calling into question the sanity of anyone who enjoys the show.
I think that what bothered me most about steven universe future was that for almost the entire season it felt suffocating, in a sense. Almost every episode felt like a punch to the gut about how Steven was spiraling deeper into his more negative emotions, all culminating in him getting corrupted naturally from all the stress. Personally, I think it would've been better if steven left earth all together in a corrupted form that resembled a giant space worm or something. A form that could allow him to escape and be on his own for a little while and relax for a bit, not worrying about anyone on earth and being on his own. Really that's all Steven universe future needed, a little breathing room to process everything that was happening rather than finishing off the series with just hugs and telling him that they love him. Edit: I didn’t mean Steven leaving earth should’ve been the ending. Just him leaving for a little while to sort out some stuff.
@@mohameddiarra9722 A fucking hug doesn't translate into unfaultering, obsessive support and merely saying "I'll video chat my therapist" is lazy as they have to tell us that he's getting help not show us limiting the impact of the entire message the show was trying to communicate to us...
Well if that was the ending then it wouldn't be the ending. They'd have to continue after that cause it seems like it's set up for more episodes. In the end I thought it was sweet that he will still keep in touch with his family who raised him through out the first show and I'm happy that he at least has a therapist even if he doesn't meet them in person. He still is getting space by traveling and for a kid show's ending it's not too bad in my opinion.
I feel like White and Steven needed to talk about the attempted shattering. Out of everyone, she actually got to experience his trauma directly AND she was the cause for most of his trauma. Whenever people would say that the diamonds are "redeemed" because of their switch in behavior, I didn't agree. It didn't seem like the diamonds' behavior change was out of sincerity, but rather, out of a desire to appease Steven to get his love and approval (the movie REALLY hammers this in). White especially seemed the least sincere in the movie with her hammy "ALL gems are equal and important" line that even Steven cringed at. The point is, this would have been a great way to have White approach Steven with greater understanding AND allow for the diamonds start down a redemption path that seemed significantly less forced or fake. Like, instead of her being unable to get into Steven's head (which should have been super traumatic for HER to attempt without hesitation considering he literally tried to kill her last time she did it but whatever) she does get in and much like the Diamond Days finale, finds his consciousness sitting atop his kaiju form clutching his knees and crying. White is able to relate to Steven's fear of himself and feelings of inadequacy and the two are able to talk. This starts to calm Steven which makes him more responsive to Garnet and Connie on the "outside" trying to talk to him. I just think it would have been really nice to have White be the one to reach out and talk to Steven as a nice role reversal of the ending of the original series.
Felt like what triggered Steven to transform was severely underwhelming. Like really underwhelming. Especially since tbey played "everything's fine" for cringe comedy until the last 3 minutes. Felt like what should have triggered it was him actually accidentally hit Pearl, cracking a eye like Volleyball. (Ya know, consequences) the fact he's did what his mother did should have been the last straw. Not to mention, why a giant worm? What was the point of Steven growing as "Chad " pink? Jasper shouldn't have been reformed; two appearances in future doesn't equal that I'm gonna care when the last time she played a major role was season 3.
@Turbo Turlet the problem is she comes back to life The point of the comment was she wasn't important enough as a main character to be justified as coming back Not only that but as the video said the whole coming back to life thing means there is no stakes Why would it matter if steven shattered jasper she can just come back
I know right?? Like I thought there might be more backstory on PD/Rose since he has diamond eyes and is starting to repeat his mother's actions, so disappointing...
imo I'd really rather not have Steven's breaking point be physically hurting someone like that, that opens up a shit ton of unfortunate implications there tbh, it *did* even when Steven killed Jasper But the overall point of that paragraph, I agree with
7:46 I think that part of this is because it's a kid's show, though I'm sure that some of its viewers actually are how you described. I think that part of the reason I'm so critical of shows like Steven Universe choosing to build their world and characters like that is because I got spoiled by the Avatar franchise and Gravity Falls.
@@2mellow35 1. Kids are not stupid. The point of my comment was that kids could tell something was off. They actually contacted me to ask if they were what was wrong. They couldn't figure out why they didn't like the ending and thought they were being petty. After talking through with them we came to the agreement that if we really wanted something different, we can make it ourselves. Just like how Steven and Paradot did with their favorite show. 2. I am a storyteller, character designer, and have been building worlds similar to Steven Universe using professional tactics since I was 12. I had been doing so since I was 5 but I didn't take it seriously until I was 12 and started learning. 7 years later and I can tell you beyond a shadow of a doubt that this is not a bad ending because of the 11 min limit. It was organization and decision making. I have run into this problem more times than I would like to admit and feel pretty qualified to point it out. I loved Blue Bird, but because they knew they didn't have time to flesh her character out, they should have scrapped her for an art book. Sorry, but if they were really running low on time for the final, they should have made cuts to make the end more fleshed out. 3. Just like I have had seven years, ironically so did they! (no I didn't make numbers up, I didn't hear about the show until season 3 was airing) I looked back on how far I grew in my work over the past 7 years and was a bit taken back at how much I learned. Looking at where Steven Universe came, I see the same in a lot of aspects. Mainly in maintaining consistent animation, solidifying proportions between characters, and the detail on the characters is more refined. However, I tackled major issues that I was told to work on, and they didn't with the writing. Rebecca didn't even take part in writing the story for the final episodes! If Rebecca was going to continue in comics or something I would have been fine, but this was an epilogue series. A series that is designed to wrap up loose ends, not create new characters and leave them unfinished in their arcs. Steven also seemed to change his "character code" based on the episode. One moment he is smart, the next he is seemingly making all the wrong choices and the ending didn't imply to children that months had passed. That was something the kiddos I was talking about was confused on. Either treat PTSD like a cartoon with cartoon logic, or treat it like real life. By mixing both you leave kids wondering what is real and what isn't. Hugging someone with PTSD could work in a cartoon setting. However, in real life that could make things worse and make the person feel trapped and have a panic attack. This is getting really long and I tried to break up my thoughts to make it easier to read. Overall I want to hear your thoughts too.
@@michaeladesousa2642 1. I never said kids were dumb 2. A few kids don't speak for all the children out there. 3. Kids probably wouldn't understand the social injustice out there. I'm a black African American, unsure about sexual preference and mildly autistic. Took me until college to realize how unfair things are socially. I always knew somewhat based off media. All of your other points suck because I wasn't really going into that at all irrelevant. Steven universe future is also pretty scary for kids to process another thing that you have to experience to truly understand. I'm not saying the ending was perfect, it was fine for Steven universe though because it went full circle with how love is the best solution to any problem (of course it's not) still I enjoyed that bit at least.
@@2mellow35 1. for someone who claims to be autistic you use the term dumb, which means unable to speak. This was not what I implied at all. 2. Yet you do? I fail to see the point when a lot of adults and the kids that I have talked to found the exact same issues that you are claiming somehow doesn't "count" because I am not a child? 3. what does this have to do with my statement? I don't understand and want to. Please explain this as I am not trying to tear your argument down. I want to find either common ground or at least know that we can agree to disagree. Lastly your closing statement. 1. your race doesn't matter in this context. This isn't a slam, but race shouldn't matter when talking about Steven unless you are trying to connect him growing up in a different culture with your home life it doesn't make much sense to me. Mind explaining your point of view more? I want to know if I missed something. 2. Your troubles in finding yourself does matter. This creates a solid counter-argument. 3. I am also Mildly Autistic, with a large dose of A.D.D. and ironically also dealing with college issues. That isn't relevant to my point however and I won't claim it does. 4. Steven hasn't gone to school, was barely able to socialize with others besides Connie, would be unable to find a job without a high school diploma or a GED, and the solution was to send him out 6 months after having a traumatic experience meltdown. That doesn't seem wise or logical to show kids. If they even showed images of Steven going to therapy as a montage it would have been fine by me but they showed Steven sobbing, and then they showed Steven looking fine with Connie planning a trip. THAT was the issue here. 5. I am a storyteller, character designer, and world builder. The things I pointed out were not out of a blind opinion, but out of knowledge of the craft I have developed professionally over 7 years. It is kinda ironic and I didn't realize that the show started airing a few months before I started really learning how character and world design works. It was a coincidence though as I didn't know about the show until season 3 was airing. 6. I want to hear your side of the story, not how your opinion or my opinion is right or wrong because of a 1-up card we have. What were your honest thoughts about the ending? From a neutral standpoint or a personal one. Don't blame it on anything, just be honest. I wasn't kidding when I said I wanted to understand you. If you do have autism, which I will assume is true for the sake of what you said, you should know why I am asking as people with this condition tend to not understand things as easily. I miss a lot of details, sometimes obvious ones, and I would like for those to be pointed out.
yessss the continuity is so bad, idk how people are just chill with it! like its trying to tell this big grand story, but wants each episode to be self contained as well. that leads to weird things happening like lapis and peridot just being forgotten until they're needed, or jasper disappearing after Steven leaves for homeworld. I know he said 'don't follow me' but why would she then leave the temple for the rest of the season? it would've made more sense for her to be waiting in his room the whole time, but no. I guess they just forgot :\
KoolKitty100 in the last episode Jasper was in Little Homeworld, why would she stay in the temple she doesn’t very much like Garnet, Amethyst and Pearl
Ashton Volkmann i know she was there in the last ep, but that was like 2-3 months after the second-last ep. and regardless of that, it still makes zero sense for her to just fuck off after steven says “go away” like that’s not her. also, she would put her respect for steven above her hatred for the gems. she did so right before he left for homeworld. it’s just weird to have an entire episode dedicated to a specific character and their arc, only for them to be forgotten directly after. not to mention steven was only on homeworld for like 1-2 hours at most. unlikely she fucked off THAT quickly
Bro I’m mad because we didn’t see what happened WAY BACK FROM SEASON 5 WHEN LAPIS JUST CAME OUT OF NOWHERE SAID HEY TO PERIDOT AND THE NEXT THING IS THAT THEY ARE BUDDY-BUDDY WITH NO TENSION WHATSOEVER, LIKE WTF!???.
(This is my personal opinion about the finale. everyone is free to feel however they want about the ending) Any goodbye he had with the characters was interjected with humor which really bothered me. It just felt like they weren’t taking it seriously. (I’ll admit I did like how they handled the peridot, lapis, and bismuth goodbye for the most part) Another problem I had was that Steven was corrupted all at once instead of over a timespan of a few episodes. They never foreshadowed the corruption would happen *in series* until it happened. The only reason the fandom knew about it was because stevens corrupted form was in the opening, but other than that there was no build up. No dialogue clues, no visual hints, nothing until the literal few seconds before Steven gets corrupted when he calls himself a monster. which had less of an impact on the overall conflict of the finale I’ve seen people say that the hug was anticlimactic or it wouldn’t have worked but I personally liked that part, it was the dialogue I have a problem with. It bothered me how much the characters were relating their problems to his trauma. Pearl saying that she knows what it’s like to hide something from everyone and amethyst saying that loving yourself is possible (which is still an important lesson to teach by itself, but not in this situation) and Greg saying he will give Steven anything he wants, but none of those are the problem. The problem is that Steven never learned how to handle immense amounts of trauma and doesn’t feel safe. They should be trying to calm him down by saying things like “everything’s alright” “it’ll all be ok” (in regards to him feeling like he isn’t useful) “you’ve helped so many people and even though the threat is gone we still need you” “your safe here” and things like that. Just making him feel wanted and safe basically. And last, they left so many things unanswered. They created characters like bluebird, cactus Steven, the lapis’s, and volleyball, gave them all one episode that resolves nothing regarding their characters, then never spoke of them again. What happened to cactus Steven? Where’s the other Lapis and what happened to the nice one? Where did bluebird go? Will they ever be able to fix volleyballs eye? None of these questions are ever acknowledged let alone answered. Some of these could have been answered with a little montage right at the end of the finale. For example a quick cut to cactus Steven living on the watermelon Steven island in peace with the villagers, or a quick cut to bluebird apologizing to Steven for trying to kill him and genuinely expressing that they want to change, the other lapis coming back and meeting up with the nice one who shows her how to live amongst humans, you get the point. I don’t really know what they were thinking with volleyballs character cause her situation needs an entire arc to really be satisfied (they all do but the others can be somewhat organically solved with a few minutes of screen time). We missed out on a bunch of fusions and new fusion forms but that’s more of a personal thing I wish they added, and doesn’t affect my overall opinion on the finale Overall I feel like there was still more story that Rebecca wanted to tell but whoever decides how much time they get per episode and how many episodes there would be royally screwed them over, and the end product ended up rushed and sloppy with more loose ends than if they didn’t even make Future in the first place
I think his Pink form was already a form of corruption as he was very unstable in those Moments (so, "tear in his mind") ... him swelling up was the monster trying to explode from his body the whole time
Elisa Castro of course she could have handled it better but at the same time she only got 10 minutes per episode while almost every other series on CN has 20-30 minutes per episode, with a set amount of episodes that she could work with unlike most shows that get as many episodes as they need and can always add more, and guaranteed no second season. There were too many characters that needed to have closure in such a short time, Not to mention executives having to approve anything and everything she wants to do with the series or otherwise she can’t do it. I agree with you that they could have done better but Rebecca and the team were under a lot of pressure to make a perfect end to this amazingly well received show and it’s hard to do that normally let alone under these circumstances that CN gave them
I like your idea of the newly introduced characters being resolved with a short montage at the end. Especially for cactus steven, it's now my headcanon that it's living with the watermelon stevens just chilling
Steven's descent into madness kinda reminded me of the Joker movie. I'm still waiting to see pink buff Steven dressed as a clown telling everyone he shattered Jasper in the Sardonix talk joke
@@Artizap_ Sardonyx: "Jasper just got shattered today because of what you did, and you're laughing, you're laughing." Steven: "Ahaha, I know! How about another pink outburst, Sardonyx?" Sardoynx: "I think we've had enough of your outbursts."
I'm pretty sure that the only reason everyone was crying and blaming themselves was because blue diamond who's one of the only people who _would_ blame themselves accidentally caused everyone else to feel what she felt like she did in the past
I really hate how Spinel turned out in the final series. After the episode with Shep telling Steven "it looks like you're afraid of your friends drifting away", everyone and their domesticated animal went "yo, maybe he's going to go talk to Spinel about this." We expected him and her to connect. She had the experience of friends leaving you in the dust to whatever degree. She would be one of the few people left for Steven to confide in with at least _one_ of his problems and help him with it. And they *fucked* it. As someone who went through a similar thing as she did, I hate that her growth happened off screen and I *hate* that her current mental stability is a meme. I hate that the joke is she's high all the time to stay sane. Thanks a goddamn lot, Steven Universe.
The episode "I am my Monster" wasn't too great. Steven believing he's a monster is an interesting character element but the gems spent most of the episode having a pity party instead of helping the poor guy until Connie bitch-slaps them out of it. Connie and Greg were the only ones who genuinely cared about him in that scene. Wow.
Remember when yall were getting on my case for the whole vegetarian thing? Remember how I said that it was an acute example of a bigger problem with the show? Well... un-shattering gems... called it.
@Turbo Turlet Sure. I can see where you're coming from. But they never explicitly said or showed that you could revive someone from being shattered. And as the show has told rather than show, that shattering a gem is basically worse than killing someone. You've split apart the gem and they can never reform ever again. Hell, it'd be a giant Deus Ex Machina if all the diamonds could revive Jasper. Oh but they did. With a convenient wave of the magic wand.
@Turbo Turlet They kind of do. Not to say, of course. But to show. They've showed us that gems could become corrupted. They've showed us that yes, Steven will gain the powers that Rose (Pink Diamond) was capable of. Healing gems, I can see that. Healing corrupted gems? He could but not for very long. Reviving from the dead, okay it's a stretch but since Pink saved Lion I'll give it a pass. But to gain these powers just out of nowhere and with no explanation as to why? That's where Steven Universe Future lost me. Not only did he basically become the opposite of his fighting style (being a support and defense character as how the show prior to Future showed), Steven really was only good for protecting others. The moment he started to be able to almost fly, the moment he became a fighter instead of having to rely on others to do the fighting for him, was where it lost me. And someone can't just get reviving powers without having it need some explanation through showing instead of telling. He literally saves Jasper just because the Diamond's essence and his did so... without any explanation. That's not development. That's just the writers giving Steven powers for the sake of convenience.
@Turbo Turlet What development? What explanation? I've seen all the seasons. All the powers Steven got were being able to hover and float to the ground at a controlled state. He can manipulate his bubble to a certain degree. He could heal others and even cracked gems. He could heal corruption (for a very short time before it reverted the gem). I didn't see any kind of offensive capabilities besides the spiked bubble and throwing his shield around like Captain America's. And look. If you're going to insinuate something about my intelligence, that being your comment ("something you clearly don't understand"), I'm trying to have a civil discussion. I ain't here to mock you or say your opinion is wrong. I have yet to suggest any kind of reason about you being wrong because I don't stoop to that level. But clearly, you think my opinion is lacking and therefore, is obsolete.
I think the unshattering gems makes sense with the show's lore cause the gems are made from the diamonds' powers to begin with. The problem is that it was never properly explained in the show. We see towards the end of the original series the diamonds' extraction chambers, with camera shots focusing on like it draining their sweat or whatever, but the purpose is never actually explained. Rebecca Sugar explained that in like a reddit ama or something like that certain gems are made from a certain combination of the diamonds' powers, so you can assume that the extraction chambers gets the diamond powers into a liquid form that is placed in injectors in order to make gems. Thus using all the diamonds' powers together should fix a shattered gem since that's what formed it in the first place. The issue I have is that this info had to come from reddit instead of the show, so it just seems crazy to see that shattering can just be undone like it's nothing unless you happened to see the reddit ama. Bad writing there for sure since the actual show lacks any set-up for this being possible at all. Now what seems completely nonsensical to me is that yellow diamond can just unshatter gems on her own? Like, what??? Why did they just make her so overpowered compared to the other diamonds? Why show us that all 4 diamonds' powers were needed to reverse Steven shattering Jasper, but then literally the next episode show that Yellow Diamond can just do that on her own?
@@TheLordofSpirits That's why I'm so confused and frustrated. The show didn't have the time to show this on-screen. And the fact that it was "possibly" explained elsewhere is why I get so frustrated when corners are cut during the writing process.
I was so excited after Steven ran away from Homeworld back to earth. Then when he was going through little Homeworld and slowly breaking down, I was like "Oh something good is on it's way?" and theeen... I was so disappointed. I have so many issues with it but I can't even muster the energy for complaining. I think the thing I hate most is the things I thought were set ups. He un-shattered Jasper. Was that an omen? Would Steven/his gem get shattered? Nope. Yellow can alter the form of any gem. Would that play into the future? Would she be able to alter Steven's corrupted form while he was still corrupted? Nope. White can let any gem posses her. Would Steven, in a corrupted, mad state, take over her body and use her powers for destruction..? N...nope... Just a group hug and then him ditching Beach City. An epilogue should answer questions and conclude the story, but this one left more loose ends than the original series.
I honestly found this season dumb. The characters in this series are portraid to be super empathic, but apparently in this season nobody noticed how the worst liar in exitence was suffering alone, nice... Secondly, the diamonds are the most wasteful thing in this show. Steven is loosing control over his diamond powers since they are new to him, yet the thousand year old White, Blue, and Yellow didn't do anything useful to help, even though this should be their department. Secondly, you can hate Pink all you want, but at least she never killed anyone. Steven shattering someone and everyone just glossing over that fact makes me sick.
Not really if you consider killing someone isnt permanent at all. How much weight is there if you know you can just respawn them. What pink did was essentially torture which is arguably worse than shattering a gem that can literally be undine in like two minutes
Steven and I guess Garnet were the only ones I'd say that were super empathetic I'd say everyone else was usually too busy dealing with their own problems to really see anyone elses
@@mariopokemon955 Not very involuntary, but I guess it could be something like temporary insanity? He definitely seemed drunk off his own power, but he did snap out of it like immediately as he realized
I was already turned off from SUF since the end of SU, when the crystal gems were reduced to side characters and the diamonds were considered more important. I find it extremely gross that Garnet, Pearl, and Amethyst, the three people who have protected and loved Steven for years, are now rendered completely powerless without him. They were his real family, and they didn't deserve to be abandoned for the diamonds. A while after SU ended, Rebecca Sugar released a book about the story of SU, and the cover of the book featured Steven and the diamonds. I found that very upsetting, because it goes to show how even Rebecca Sugar sees the diamonds as more important than the crystal gems. And SUF did the same exact thing.
I felt like they could have done more with the villains. I thought they'd all come together and attack in the final episode along with corrupted Steven. I also thought off color white diamond would be a bigger threat. Like her behavior near the end of change your mind we saw she had anger and rage in her before she became off color. I thought her appearance in future would be mindless rage and finding fault in everything.... Like out of control but no it was just Steven attempting to make her shatter herself.
Not gonna lie I cried when the last episode came out, but now that I have had time to breathe and think.. Monster Steven was kinda resolved VERY quickly.. I get they had a time-crunch and everything but same time kinda makes the "Final battle" kinda pointless if it's over in 4-5 minutes with no consequence.
I have a mental disorder, ADHD. Sure, I have outbursts of anger and tears, but... I don't laugh like a phsycopath and call myself a monster or say I'm fine. I genuinely try to look for help, and that's why future almost hurts me in a way. It says I'm a crazy maniac who needs a hug in order to feel better.
The ending wasnt great, it didnt draw me the same as the OG Steven universe finale. There was really no buildup and everything felt rushed. The fact that the series as a whole decided to only focus on steven, only giving him any sort of depth. Everyone else was just there to move the story forward. Compared to the ending to the OG where everything felt like an accumulation of different story treads, like seeing obsidian for the first time, or finally answering the question that rose is dead and steven is his own person. It wouldve been a better finale if they built up some threads like different fusions working together, or jasper being the one to save steven (which is what I thought was going to happen).
It's an epilogue series about tying up loose ends and where that leaves Steven and his traumatic childhood. The OG show ended the way it did because it was a whole other show.
@@JEEVES635 whole other plot maybe, but not another show. Same continuity, and just because it's an epilogue doesnt excuse lazy writing, if that's the case just dont make it at all.
@@JEEVES635 yes, a different direction, lol. But I wouldnt consider that correct. I mean the aftermath of the same characters story is still the same story. Same characters, same writer, same town, different time. Even the story itself is directly connected to what happened in the original. Sure it wasnt as "active", however seeing through to all the story threads you set isnt an exclusive thing. It's sort of the way writing should always be. Whether you're writing a love story or a horror story. But rebeccas team set up multiple threads that led nowhere, and had exposition for steven that was solved lazily and quickly. The one thing that made the show ( or both shows if you want to be technical ) as good as it was, was the attention to realism to mental health and emotions. Which again she did well for this series, but at the last 2 episodes it trailed off into a juvenile mess, it almost felt like watching a spanish soap opera. When I say I like the OG ending better, I'm not talking about the fighting or action scenes, I just think they made a much better constructed ending When you spend 18 episodes making steven more and more of an emotionally broken mess, just to spend 5 minutes of the characters idiotically wallow in self pity, then 2 minutes to end pretty much all of his issues with a single hug, it's not realistic. And realistic portrayal of emotional trauma was the strongest thing it had going for it.
@@yderga8707 "end all of his issues with a hug" What show did you watch? Why is he leaving if all of his issues are ended? All they did was calm him down and let him know he has people there for him.
After seeing the whole video from start to finish and taking my own opinions from the show, I do agree with this all the way through. Steven Universe: Future's finale made me want to thrust my head into a wall seeing how confusing the pace was. Episode 11 really did bring out the potential and actually establishes what has been going on with Steven and the amount of stress that he has. However, in other episodes, it is like they dropped it. (SPOILER WARNING and A long read.) The finale itself just really rubbed me the wrong way. I never though I would be so pissed off on my first initial watching of the 4 episodes. Episode 17: Episode 17 was just a run of the mill filler episode. It was like the writers tried to give the Diamonds one last push to connect with Steven within a short amount of time. I do agree that the diamonds should have not been redeemable (Hence why I had a lot of problems with the Change Your Mind arc, because it made no sense AT ALL). I understand they were trying to make us feel bad for the diamonds and redeem them. The new powers or rather the inverse of their old powers just made me ask why, how and when. If a viewer has to ask those core questions, then it felt out of place. Blue was the only one that made sense, because her new power in terms of sorrow into joy makes the most sense considering her actions in Change Your Mind. However, the episode as a whole was unnecessary. Episode 18: This episode just gave me a meh. I mean I felt like they tried to play it safe. However, when they were asking Steven what was the matter and being actually worried for him, he actually showed delusion and saying that everything is fine. I really liked it! The execution was good enough. Nothing seemed out of the ordinary. It displayed how someone with a mental issue of that caliber can go through. However, when he just randomly got mad at the main gems and Greg, I legit went on TH-cam on my phone, pulled up a Gordon Ramsey clip and played it with him saying "Fucking Dickhead". It made no sense, and the episode felt out of place. Like it shouldn't be there. I liked when Steven went on the tangent after faking his happiness and it felt genuine seeing the transition. However, he should have transitioned into a state of making things his fault or making it more on him. Like when he did after that sudden out burst of rage. Overall, this episode was fine. Could have been better through that whole thing Steven went on, but it was fine. Episode 19; This....This. I legit went on a huge rant about this episode. I had so many questions. The pacing was just breakneck speed. I legit had mental whiplash. I have several questions: 1) How the hell did Steven even become a crystal version of Godzilla through the diamond in him? Is that like a sudden thing he can do now? [Side Note: I understand it is a metaphor for the monster inside of us when we go through a bad mental illness or through depression and what not, but it totally killed the vibe] 2) As much as I do like Connie and how necessary she is for the show in terms of being Steven's connection to his humanity, why was she just interjected? They just made her out to be like this keep everyone safe person only to come back and give an uplifting speech, which virtually denounces what the main series did throughout during its run with Connie leveling Steven and keeping him human with Greg doing the same. Which also leads to my next question and the part to where I wanted to go outside and scream out of sheer disappoint, annoyance, and genuine anger. 3)Why....Just W H Y did they have to start one uping each other, but the most important part as you highlighted in the video as well. The Diamonds crying. I felt no empathy for any character there. I didn't feel bad for Steven, I didn't feel bad for the gems, I know in hell I didn't feel bad for the diamonds. The only person I felt a little bad for was Greg going back to episode 15. While Steven was a dickhead in that episode, I felt a genuine connection before Steven randomly got mad, and it made sense. However, they just made Greg say something to transition into the Diamonds crying and the White Diamond and Spinel exchange made me want to cringe at how bad it was. It really took away the intensity and seriousness of the situation knocking it down from a genuine goal of helping Steven feel better about himself to "Funny haha random and pointless exchange". The hug annoyed me, however considering the message they were going for I overlooked it despite how meh it felt after all of that. Episode 20: The episode was nice. My only problem is the ending of the episode that put a sour taste in my mouth. When Steven was driving off, it felt right, it felt wholesome like a nice bow. However, they just took that feeling like a rug and slipped it from under my feet when Steven drove backwards and stopped in front of them saying "Why don't you feel bad for me?!" to the Crystal Gems. My hand went straight through my face. They had it, it was going so well. Saying good bye to everyone. Having a small heart to heart with Greg that actually made me smile. Hearing he is getting mental help (Granted I would have loved to see maybe a snippet of that time. I can overlook it). Everything as going great. That ending just took the feeling away when he drove off the first time and went back in a quick fashion. They should have done the crying bit with the gems by having them feel bad either before he got in the car during that moment and time OR ultimately before he drove off with either Steven or one of the gems speaking up about it. When he went in reverse in a very fast manner, it was like huh what is happening and ended with me saying ugh and turning off the tv as soon as it was ended being glad the show as over. Overall, the finale just made me feel angry than happy. The sheer amount of bad decisions, placements in plot, and the amount of questions I had during the airing. It felt like a gigantic headache. I'd give the finale a 2/10. The series overall just either made me not care, made me laugh and feel something and actually feel bad for Steven (Good on you Episode 11. You didn't suck and transcended into a very good highlight of the series), or it just made me feel angry like 3/4 episodes here. I'll agree with your rating and give it a 3.5 out of 10. Episode 11 was a HARD carry.
@@ryuko2952 No. In fact, I watched the show and liked some episodes, and I hated some episodes. Episode 11 was the best one out of the whole epilouge, because it made sense when Steven and Peridot were fucking around with Steven's power to manipulate what is on the tv screen. Then as things progresses it turned into a heart warming scene at the end when Peridot felt concerned for Steven seeing his dream of her leaving him behind. That was nice. Another one could be said for Episode 15 as well. While the ending I dreaded, the majority of the episode was quite nice. Granted it did rub me a little the wrong way on how Steven acted like a prick to Greg after still going through his stuff. The first two times I understood, but after that I was like why? The finale as a whole was just half baked and made zero sense in terms of placement. I understand that yea its just a kids show, but I still watched it with a critical mindset catching the good, the meh, and the bad. However the bad outweighed the good in this series after the Little Homeschool arc. Its over now, but I said all of that to further give critical and constructive feedback out of love for the show. If I wanted to hate watch it, I would have disregarded Episode 11, 15, the little homeschool arc, hell even that exchange in Episode 20 between Greg and Steven. That exchange felt real. TL:DR: No, I didn't hate watch the show. I criticize SU:F out of love for the show, because I wanted it to improve.
@Shadow Crescent Ever since the Diamond Authority got redeemed, I have been pretty skeptical about the path Steven Universe has been going; however, after giving it more thought I realized that Steven Universe threw away all of the potential it had, even before the redemption of the Diamonds. The show dealt with so many interesting themes, but the writers handled these themes really carelessly, much more than I originally perceived. Steven Universe was an awful show from the very beginning and the terrible implications and irritating hiatuses only made us realize that after the fact.
@@briangriffin9314 If you think that, then its fine. I feel like I didn't, however I understand where you are coming from. But we can agree to disagree.
Honestly it was relatable to see Steven acting like that but the ending wasn't that good because love simply doesn't save everything. Was I supposed to cry during the last episode? No I didn't It would've been nice to see the show from other perspectives as well, then it would have more depth
agreed, 'fragments' and 'homeworld bound' were great build ups to something, but the ending didn't give a satisfying payoff.... It felt as though there was an episode missing..idk
@@cynical_chai8922 Fragments lead to Steven having an epiphany about how he's too out of control and needs to sort himself out. This is why Steven went to the Diamonds since he needed help with his DIAMOND powers. The episode "Homeworld Bound" clearly illustrates how Homeworld's society has drastically changed, as there is now a democracy. It also shows how the Diamond's are actively trying to change. At the end of Homeworld Bound, Steven discovers that there's something seriously wrong with him so he quickly leaves Homeworld in order to protect the Diamond's from his wrath. In "Everything's fine", it's very evident that Steven is going through psychological issues, to which he begins to create a mental construct on how he's fine and that he's good ol Steven Universe, the good person who helps everyone without causing problems. These episodes are great at linking to each other and building upon each other, I really don't understand what more you want. At the end of this episode, Steven is confronted about how he's been acting very out of character, to which he responds to the fact that he believes he's a monster, ultimately resorting to him turning into one, which leads into the next episode. I understand your point but at the same time, it makes no sense.
@@blackboy6414 Maybe I worded it wrong, but I agree to what you're saying. I think that those three were great episodes but there was a clear tone shift from those to "I Am My Monster" Like it went from Steven having deep rooted issues that wasn't really being solved and its but pretty bad, to oh yeah lets hug and everything is better now and a one-off line about having a therapist. Idk, I wanted more acknowledgement of his issues with his family/friends and having the solution more drawn out, since it's not that simple. But yeah I would have to say fragments and homeworld bound are my favorite Future episodes +The volleyball episode.
The thing I cannot forgive is how they eliminated the weight of shattering and death. If Steven could do that then it was as if nothing happened. Really annoying to take that away. After they put all this shit on shattering and showing mercy and stuff.
But the thing about their "thematic messages" is that they're written poorly. There have been better portrayals of mental illness in shows like Avatar: Last Air Bender or Samurai Jack, to name a couple, and it doesn't infringe on the characters or story overall. If you're gonna write with the idea of making a message about a important and sensitive themes like love, depression, anxiety, ptsd, etc. it's best to know how to write characters and a story that can carry those messages effectively. Steven Universe always, to me at least, felt like they had these themes for the sake of just wanting to have them, but then write themselves in a corner, or be inconsistent when those themes are in the forefront(Garnet and fusion being a theme for love, now losing all real meaning behind it because of that scene in season 5 where Steven fuses with everyone just for fanservice; including fusion with Greg). The PTSD theme throughout Future really came off kind of...trying too hard....emotionally manipulative? It just felt to me, there were too many episodes that veered away from what the plot going, that didn't contribute at all to the overall endgame of the season. Having Steven and Lapis go to another planet to make other Lapis stop destroying it, most of the Little Homeworld episodes, anything that didn't have to do with Steven's degrading mental state was a waste of an episode that could've been used to flesh that out more. Once we got close to the finale everything felt rushed; had a lot of characters that weren't used properly and could've enhanced the plot more. The episode with Peridot was great, she saw how Steven truly felt and reacted to it properly; but how come we couldn't have more episodes like that with other prominent characters? While Steven was out running from one character to another in hopes of getting some help, he didn't once run back to Peridot, Lapis, Bismuth, Conny or Greg(even though they had that road trip, but it just made Greg look like a cuck who'll let his son disrespect him and not get angry at the fact he almost killed him; kind of ruin his character in the process too) to ask them for advice, but instead seeked out the Diamonds; really now, the source of his ptsd in the first place? Hell, he even went to Jasper too, but not Lapis? The show and it's pacing, consistency, messages, continuity is everywhere. The finale came off manipulative as hell, making everyone pour their hearts out, hoping to get a cry out of the viewers and it honestly didn't feel earned.
wasn't emotionally manipulative the lapis episodes and others were important to see what the world is like after the diamond regime of before ended. steven's ptsd I felt was handled well
I literally felt nothing when we got to the final 10 minutes of the series. It didn't move me or make me cry, I was just disappointing and this put into words some of the things I couldn't quite place but not all of them. I only thought, "Oh... that's it... okay." and i'm the type of person that cries at the slightest really sad things. I love ATLA and I get a little teary pretty much every time I watch the last 4 episodes because it actually built up to its ending effectively and everyone's story is complete and at the same time they're moving on to better lives. You feel happy for them but with this I was just going over all of the unanswered questions. Shows are allowed to have unanswered questions but when not answering those questions takes away from the finale its a problem.
But very good video. I agree with the issues presented in future. It's getting tedious with each episode being "oh how can we make him more angry and randomly pink" to the point it gets comical in how much they make him suffer.
i really felt like "everything's fine" took it too far with the dark humor, and that the majority of it could have been skipped. idk, like, thru most of the episode i was just sitting kinda bored and thinking "k, let me know when he fully goes apeshit"
@svnrosie I don’t know how many times I yelled get to the point during Everything’s fine. The episode was good for a moment but then the pacing made it feel eternal.
I would have liked a story line depicting a time where when you were shattered, you stayed shattered. No amount of putting back together could have helped. Making The threats from the diamonds that more intimidating, forcing gems to cooperate. When Pink diamond was “born” there was now a chance to reassemble shattered gems, tension probably left the air and she was a revered by the other gems. When she herself was shattered, the threat was reinstated, this adding the fear of shattering into the gems minds. It would’ve been cool to see Yellow diamond have a bottle, similar to Stevens diamond essence bottles in his bathroom, containing rose’s tear’s (or his spit) to reassemble broken gems from the experiments. Once she’s places the fragments back together she would pour a little bit of that onto the broken gem, healing the cracks and bringing them back to life. I’m okay with unshattering because it was hinted throughout the whole show, if you can heal a crack then a broken gem would be okay, but ONLY through Steven. Take him out of the equation and shattering becomes death. To introduce the concept that any gem put back together by ANYONE takes away that tension.
I've overrated this show a lot, and I've become a "fan" of SU since I started watching it a year ago or so, but I totally agree with you with you with some things (I still think SU is a great show tho) and I really hate when the fanbase of a show I love starts hating over "negative" critics, I just can't with you guys. By the way, Hollow Knight is a MAGNIFIC game and I'll support everyone who plays it.
I didn't like the ending. Honestly it's really put me in emotional turmoil and I'm writing this in a very heated and distraught state but I need to express myself. I hated this ending, it was really upsetting. I didn't like the fact that Steven never went to therapy, nor did anyone- even CONNIE and her MOTHER who is a D O C T O R- ever mention it to him. I'm just upset that they ended it with "Well he spent a few months with his family coddling him and now he's moving out! Guess that solved all our problems." Steven has went through hell and back, I don't care if for those past few months he felt better- shit like this doesn't go away when you just... Leave it like that. This still isn't healthy. None of this is healthy. I just, man, I'm just really really upset dude.
i totally feel you man, i am too still somewhat shaken. yesterday i even played the voltron finale right after to try and convince myself that the su finale wasn't that bad ;-;
@@Spiralr I saw someone say that... Honestly that doesn't make it any better? For a show all about like Love, hope, helping others and yourself and what have you You'd think they'd put more emphasis on- actual therapy. But no, it was mentioned in passing, so easy to miss. I still feel the same I guess, just more disappointed?
NoziNuclear I see where you’re coming from and I feel like they should’ve shown that. I really don’t think they should’ve ordered 20 episodes, or make them 11 minutes. If they had more time, I think it would’ve been great to show the process instead of just skipping past it. Sure, they say it happened a few months after, but they should’ve showed it. It would actually be great for their mental health moral, but in this state for me, it’s passable. It’s not good, but it’s not bad either.
@@Spiralr Honestly I feel like a lot of parts in this show could've been cut out or not made a thing in general- they could've had more time but there was just so much they wanted to cram in that they didn't... I didn't actually love the show to begin with, but I didn't completely hate it either, but this ending just kinda... Oof, y'know?
My biggest complaint with this so called “exclusive limited series” is that cartoon network marketed it like it was going to solve all the unanswered questions, like... y’know... *_L I O N ‘ S C H E S T_* but it didn’t. In fact, It gave MORE questions! The Rose Buds episode did a pretty good job of solving what happened with them, but we only got to see the zoomans like literally 10 seconds. Also, the Pink Pearl eye thing. Ok, so Pink Diamond did it. Why? How? By accident or on purpose? And it just kept going on and on, like Ruby and Eyeball forming Bluebird. Also, Cactus Steven, Bluebird, Pink Pearl, The other two lapizes, the broadcast issue, Steven’s grandparents, and more were in episodes and did nothing for the plot, it just left me icked that gregs parents were mentioned but we didn’t get the chance to meet them. And all of these things seemed like they were gonna be coming back, but no. In fact, right after the Cactus Steven episode, where THEIR HOUSE gets destroyed, Steven can finally spill his feeling out. But no! 2 new episodes of mostly filler and Bismuth has a crush on Pearl? Again, never adressed or shown again
Bismuth's crush on Pearl was so out of left field, literally came out of nowhere. At first I thought that Bismuth was just trying to get out of her shell and talk to humans for Pearl's sake as a friend, didn't even realize initially that it was because she had a crush on her.
>By accident or on purpose? The way P.Pearl described it, it's definitely an accident. Like, PD didn't mean to hurt her, her tantrum unleashed power and Pearl was caught in it.
I stopped expecting much from this show long ago because, as more it was progressing to the end, the more it began to decide that it is fully for kids/young teenagers and that no complex and cohesive plot is required. As mentioned somewhere before, this is the result of the "writing games" which put perspective-wise chaos.
For me at least, Steven universe and future have plenty of very good parts that make the show enjoyable, but the progression for the show to tell a story is less than pleasant to go through. What’s the saying for it? “Less than the sum of its parts”?
It seemed like a lot of wasted potential. That’s what happens when you make a show so big into a mini series though. I mean they hype up the new lapis’s and bluebird just to have them appear one episode not have their story be resolved and then forget about them.
I swear, this show should've died and been declared a failure years ago. The only reason it's still thought of as a revolutionary ground breaking cartoon is because it still has such an obnoxiously large and overly dedicated fanbase that's easily swayed by the most feeble LGBT representation and keeps holding onto it while making over complex theories over the most mundane things. They do everything in their power out of some sort of desperation to make it seem like Steven Universe is this complex and timeless modern classic (Or this generation's Avatar as IGN laughably put it) when in reality Rebecca Sugar didn't think a single thing through. It _did_ have some really good ideas and it _is_ something different and special that we’ve never seen before, but the way it was executed is beyond terrible.
In Regular Show, Mordecai and Rigby, two good for nothing slackers grow into better people. In Adventure Time, Finn and Jake bring closure for everyone, they care about and bring back the human race. But in here Steven becomes far worse than when he was a kid, an idiot who screwed thing up when there are so many supporters around him to help him overcome his problem. Steven Universe Future destroys the whole franchise like Star Vs The Force of Evil. Like SFTOV, there are so much rich lore to discover like where the Gems come from or How Steven truly thinks of Pink. I always wished Steven Universe Future could give an epic battle against whoever created the Gems but no!! Sugar just needed to downgrade a lovable, strong and noble Steven into an overgrowth child who cannot handle his puberty. Steven in Steven Universe and the Movie is a completely different Steven from this Steven in Future.
It's not like that The thing is that as a kid, fearing to not be an hero like he should've been, Steven repressed all his negative feeling for the greater good in Future's first episode he was pretty much like our usual sweet Steven, but as his powers (so negative emotions) came out of him, he started to change Someone who hasn't deal with trauma and mental ilness, expecially at a very young age, turns exactly like this Also, aside from Connie, the gems just worried about him since Fragments, and they weren't even the best into doing it they completely forgot what they saw in Prickly Pair, glossing over it It was already too late when they tried to talk to Steven, because he was deep down in his mental ilness, and as I said, many times when you're like this, you don't listen to others as you're englufed in a self-destructive spiral There were flaws sure, but it was accurate, relatable to many, and Steven is also still veryyyy young, so he makes mistakes I can agree that there was much more to explore, but Steven being helped was perfect as the final challenge, and fitting for SU
Xearl Martian Finn is as young as Steven and faced far more terror than Steven and he is more open to his friend to help him to overcome his mental turmoil. If you look at the first few episodes of Steven Universe, Steven is actually very mature and brave not unlike in this future series
Well to be fair, back in s5, Pink Steven was stronger than White and White is stronger than both Yellow and Blue. So we already knew about this way before Godzilla Steven
To be honest, SU is an important show to me but everything that happens, especially in Future, feels so forced to me. Nothing feels earned, it feels like we're missing most of the pieces of the puzzle. For example, Lapis's whole personality changes in Future and it doesn't feel satisfying like it would be if it was a gradual process of changing. I think the main problem is that the original SU needed one more season, the events of Diamond Days should have been spread out over a sixth season instead of like, four episodes. I know the show's length had to be cut because of the Rupphire wedding, so this show was a victim of circumstance in the end, in my opinion.
Blue's new power seems...bad. Like, lets just take a look at Spinel: she suffers from 6000 years of trauma and this all gets glossed over by...making her high? im sorry, but thats not a good message. i get that Blue is making her feel happy, but Spinel just seems brainwashed the entire episodes and i feel like she could've helped Steven a lot more if she herself couldve talked with someone about her problems (since she immediately left with the diamonds in the movie). Idk, maybe its a good thing shes back to her old self now, but with all the things shes been through i dont think its that easy to overcome. unless of course you have blue clouds .-. which ignores her problems idk i hope this made sense, i just really dislike Blue's new power.
@Trent Scott yea :/ thats what i meant with her seeming brainwashed, like she wasn't even really given a choice considering how the diamonds are...but maybe off screen on rare occasions she can talk to Blue or Yellow or even White about her problems.
Yeah.I dont really like how they handle her character in SUF. I was expecting she and Steven to have a heart to heart moment, but all we got is Steven's condition getting worse while Spinel bein silly and high. Perhaps the crewniverse just wanted to make Steven suffer enough to get corrupted.
I really don't think they want us to believe that she is healed and let go of all her issues. Yellow has literally the power to alter a gem's physical form, it would've made sense for her to first try that with giving Spinel a new form and yet, it apparently didn't happen. There really seems to be a message behind her still having this form, a message saying : "she's happier, but her scars are still there, don't believe they're not. She still has issues." She is just trying to deal with it, even though she doesn' t really do it the right way. Since she doesn't seem to have made any friends on Homeworld (which raises an interesting point : she still isn't comfortable with opening herself to those she doesn't know), I guess that once she'll be able to, she will be able to deal with her issues a better way, too, by talking things out with a real friend. Also, even if she did get help, she would've still not been able to help Steven correctly because she is lacking from the most basic social skills. Nothing in the movie told us that she learned to understand people better, she only learned that she had to work on herself, which she is currently doing. She really tried to help Steven, but he's so good at hiding the real problem that even those he knows best didn't realize how much he was suffering. Of course Spinel wouldn't be able to help more and actually, she already helped a lot considering the dork she is. Her singing Change was a really nice detail. Unfortunately, no one could help Steven at this point. Also, I don't feel like she came back to her old self, she's just silly, over-the-top and a bit clingy because those are traits she's never lost to start with. She was silly and over-the-top even as a villain, and her clinginess clearly is one of the things she realized she had to work on. If we take all that away, she has a lot of her "post-abandonment" self. She has a dark humor, she is pretty mocking, she is self-aware, and if she truly doesn't have friends other than the Diamonds, she is even an introvert (not with those she trusts, of course). Despite what everyone says, I think they did a great job at developing her character while still keeping her the way she was in the movie.
@@jesuis6068 alright yea, your points make sense. i probably just reacted this way cause i've expected...more, out of the finale, i guess. i still think some things about Blue's new power seem fishy, but thanks for leaving that comment (also sorry for the bad English)
It's just my opinion and nobody else's. But when everybody started blaming each other, my interest in what was happening on screen dropped to zero. Everything after that just made me roll my eyes. By the time they all started crying, the show was playing in the background on my computer. I love this show and will look back on it fondly one day, but man, I have never been so underwelmed by a series finale in my life.
I appreciate that you say that some people appreciate more thematic messages over air tight writing and thats why theyre able to "not think about it". Alot of people in critic communities act like some people are stupid for enjoying things that dont make much logical sense so i appreciate the acknowledgement. Also good video
Tbh this season could've benefited from being 26 episodes like seasons 2-5. Even if they changed NOTHING about the first 19 episodes, they could've had episodes 20-25 show what his path to recovery was like, and have the episode "The Future" be episode 26 instead of episode 20. The bonus to an extra 6 episodes would be some more time to tie up more loose ends and answer a couple of mysteries the show still has, such as whatever was inside that chest in Lion's mane.
I feel like the time skip should have been longer. Like way longer. The whole theme of Future was that everyone in Steven’s life was moving on and they were some people that he could not help, like Bluebird and that one Lapis. A longer time skip would let us see how the gems and everyone in Beach City would have been able to grow THANKS to Steven, but not having to rely on him. We all know that Steven is just gonna slip into his old ways in some other town sticking his nose into people’s problems, imagine if we had a longer time skip where we see an older Steven encounter a kid having a hard time. Instead of stepping in to fix ALL of their issues, he just gives the kid a hint and moves on, letting the kid figure out their own life. We don’t even have to know what Steven choose to do with his life, as long as it isn’t him being everyone’s life coach. People changing was what PD loved about humans in the first place, but Steven was driven mad by feeling the need to witness ALL of that change. Taking a step back from such micromanaging would do him some good and having a long time skip showing the other characters growing without his presence would have been great because the Steven only POV has always been a point of contention in this series.
Really liked that connection of how PD loved that humans could change, and how Steven had to be there to see all change in people's lives and wanted to feel like he helped them change. Didn't think of that
Maybe youve already heard this argument, but I like the thing with steven fixing jasper because it leads into his breakdown in the sense that he's able to just fix things he feels responsible for. Im not going to argue its great writing, but at least to me it added to that scene. What would it do to a person if they found out even murder had no real consequence? killing jasper flat out would follow the idea of "somethings can't be fixed" which is a good moral, but its never really been a message of this series. But at that point you are either arguing: do you want steven to face real real consequences for the first time. How will it traumatize him further. or Should he be able to get away with this too. How will he react to unkilling someone?(not counting lars) I don't like yellow fixing gems. it wouldn't be hard to change the scene to have her need steven bottled juice instead of zapping the gems together. her power of changing rather than spoofing is fine for me, but fixing the shattered gems is kind of wack. Whites also makes sense, but I just don't see the practicality of it. i never understood her original power to be honest
I had such big hype for the finale as a long-time fan. Was seriously let down by it all and it felt worse for me than the GoT finale (mainly because my emotional attachment and expectations were way higher). Quick list of things that bothered me: 1. Rose's arc was never really finished. How does Steven feel about her now? White can say she's the root of it all, but to Steven Rose is the root. 2. The episodes leading up to the finale were kind of dark and serious, so the finale feels like a complete 180 in tone. It's played for laughs and it drove me INSANE. 3. Worm Steven got resolved too fast. And what the hell was he in the end? Kinda corruption kinda not? 4. What the fuck was in the chest 5. I hate Connie and how she's "better than everyone else". Unpopular opinion: she was way more of a likeable character before she picked up sword fighting. I still haven't forgiven her for getting mad that Steven didn't take her with him when he literally got kidnapped. 6. The build-up to nothingness. Finale felt like a wet fart. Should have been at least twice as long. 7. No feelings actually get addressed. Steven "gets fixed" off-screen. I was expecting him to turn pink when the gems pretended to not be sad he was leaving (wtf was that all about) 8. All other characters were either illogical, dumb, annoying or all of the above. I loved Steven Universe. But thinking about the finale gets me angry. It was such a letdown and seeing everyone and their mom praising it online made me bitter :'(
I understand this comment so deeply and I agree with most of it ... I loved the IDEA of the ending, the Monster Steven concept and the hug ... but the series didn't tie any loose ends at all I think Future's biggest problem is that it was too short I'm expecially sad Bluebird disappeared
9. *Ahem* ever since I was a fan of the show I’d always imagine the finale where the antagonist was too strong and the gems would have to fuse into a new being...I was praying that lapis péridot and bismuth would fuse to defeat Steven but I got my hope up way too high...
I generally feel the same, though Connie wasn't really that much of an issue for me. I was hoping that it'd touch on Connie's probable traumas, and the fact that she didn't _tell her mom about all the shit she and Steven went through_
Even though I loved the show to bits, your criticisms were actually wonderfully-crafted imo! Very valid points there. It also probably will affect how I approach story-writing when it comes to working on my own animated series in the future, as that's a dream of mine that I'm currently working on. Big thanks to you and other people who make constructive criticism instead of saying "the show's bad, here are the flaws, ok bye."
I can sometimes overlook plot holes or easy fixes to the story in order for a theme to work but, 1. Ever since season 5 they keep doing it over and over again 2. They keep doing it to cover up bad/ lazy writing 3. Instead of writing something more believable they keep it the same
Another thing (although, keep in mind that I actually liked the finale): The whole "Jasper gets de-shattered" thing was kind of a pointless addition since she doesn't even really do anything in the final episodes other than call Steven, "My Diamond" a couple times. If she actually helped uncorrupt Steven, then I wouldn't be complaining about it all too much. But, nope.
@Vezor I mean, I guess... but even then, what does she do for Steven other than *that?* She doesn't help with the Corrupted Steven confrontation despite wanting to do anything to protect "her diamond"? I feel like she didn't add too much to the story other than that.
@Vezor actually, no. Thats it. And thats as far as it is. According to sugar she isnt planning on returning to steven universe for a while. No comics either.
Idk I didn't mind her being un-shattered as it kinda gave Stevens breakdown more reasons as to how far gone he really was. As he was trying to rationalize killing someone, and that since he was able to bring them back it was no big deal. His problem is that he was focused on fixing everything else but himself, so Jasper being fixed fed into his delusion even more. Making him think "Yeah I can fix so many problems now without anyone having to worry about mine."
@@MJD3rp but do you see whats happening here? It adds on to stevens character. Jaspers own death is neglected by everyone else nobody really cares about her being fucking murdered they only care because steven did it. Also if jasper were to stay dead and steven were to be delusional in the sense that he could still fix her, it wouldve applied the same way. This is what i hate about the show. Fans and people can just easily come up with a better plotline than what actually happened. If a large portion of an audience is upset at an ending and they imagine scenarios that they think it wouldve worked better, chances are you didnt do a good job.
I still don’t get the “Steven develops *random* powers”. The super speed is like the only one that I see out of place. Cuz if Steven can float and he gains a power up n can suddenly “fly”, it makes sense. Cuz 1. He achieved it thru a power up (u said urself that u watch anime so u should know a power up gives a character new or improved abilities) 2. Flying n floating aren’t that different from each other. Literally one is just staying in the air n the other is moving thru the air....what part of that is random? If u consider that random, how do u cope w watching anime?!
To be fair though, Steven has a lot of powers. Like way too many it kind of gets ridiculous. Remember how Steven could survive in the vacuum of space outside of his bubble even for a little bit? Or how he could transfer his mind to other bodies like with Lars or watermelon Steven? or how he could project his soul/mind through some kind astral plane, or enter people's minds? Or the whole TV projection thing. And I'm sure there's more examples Anyway, it just feels like Steven has way too many powers
Panties Bandito I mean to some extent yh. But my problem isn’t how many it’s how random. The guy in the vid keeps calling em random n that’s my issue cuz they didn’t rlly stem outta nowhere, there is a justification or a comparison. Steven and his projecting thoughts to other things is very similar to white diamonds powers. Even similar to blue w how she can project or put her emotions into someone. does seem to be like projecting emotions n thoughts to something else is a diamond power
SU as a series exists to make people feel good. Sadly it sacrificed good logical writing just to justify sending its message. It tells us things but does not show saud things and having characters cry or sing ir both fixes everything. I used to like this show but looking at it as a whole it is flawed. From the writing to the inconsistent character development, this show is just si frustrating when you stop and think about these problems. And there are so many things left unresolved: what was in the chest? Did Steven forgive his father? What will happen to Jasper? We do not know because the writers did not want to explore these things and just left them unresolved. That is just terrible on so many levels. I am not sad the series is over. I am sad because it could have been better.
@@tayojones9460 forgive him about what there when he deleted his picture it wasn't because he hated him it was because he felt that he couldn't help him after what happened there was no issue
There was. Steven blew up at his dad because he found out his father had a structured life and his attempt to give his son freedom has a negative effect on Steven. Steven never reconciled with his father. That is what I meant.
@@tayojones9460 they did when he turned into a monster then everyone hugged him there was a time skip after that we know that he went to a therapist and started reconnecting with everyone also after he told his dad that he was going to leave beach city he was there to say goodbye to him
I'm still disappointed that Steven never got to hangout with nephrite you know the one gem monster Steven tried so hard to heal , but we never saw her again in future.
If you ask me I'd compare this season to a breakfast smoothie, we got random bits of everything in every place, rarely getting something where it belongs, like, we didn't even get a song on any of the last 3 episodes, on a show where music is such a key component. This just feels wrong, Steven universe episodes were comparable to home-cooked meals, not always the best, yes, but always full of love, this whole season feels just thrown together, as if the creators just left the thing in the blender on their way to work.
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When White Diamond said it's all her fault and that she hurt everyone in the universe, my reaction was "Yeah, pretty much."
This is why I henceforth only like Connie. She was like the only sane one in SU:Future.
And Shep.
I actually liked Shep and their relationship with Sadie even though her breaking up with Lars was heartbreaking. (It's funny cause I loved them together even though logically they were actually a pretty bad couple for each other and it makes perfect sense that they'd break up).
@Death By Dank 2 Connie: "YEAH. IT IS YOUR FAULT"
*Everyone liked that*
Gabrielle Greg? Greg is my favorite character, and always will be.
@@tuxedobird oh Greg is great too. He's such a great character 💙
But that part was taken as a joke, instead of being a serious moment when we could feel their guilty and wish to save Steven
I'll give It this...It still better then Star Vs's Finale.
.......yeah
nothing is worse than the star finale, let's be real u.u
Better than Fairly Odd Parents finale as well.
@@svnrosie2418 Game of Thrones?
Edit: actually, the more i think about it, this finale was worse than stars. Way worse
Game of thrones, svtfoe, how i met your mother are all bottom shit tier. like there are little to no redeeming qualities about these finales they are all horrendous.
steven universe future is low tier. sure it was heartwarming to its main target demographic, a 14 year old child. but for the most part, im sure everyone above the age of 15 can do what kross described in his video. not thinking in the way the show wants you to.
The "nice" thing about gem shattering now no longer being permanent is that it retroactively makes the Diamonds not as evil because, like with Jasper with Steven, they can undo a great deal of the damage they've caused. If the goal was to make people Accept the Diamonds as not complete monsters? Well then there you go.
If instead your goal was to craft a story where death has weight... you can't really undo it or if it can be undone it must come at a high price. Yellow Diamond fiddling around with a gem for a few seconds and it's all fixed? Well there goes all the tension. Bismuth literally bubbled for no reason.
dude you nailed it
@@Krossxc Wait if they completely retconned the impact of shattering and that yellow can just put gems together again, why didn't they try to recreate pink diamond with the shards pearl left behind? They'd immediately see that pink just ran off and framed her own death... Its not as if putting gems back together was shown as yellows power in homeworld bound, only altering their appearance.
Adoring Fan Yellow probably didn’t know she could do something like that. She was a genocidal dictator who shattered and experimented on her subjects. She’d have no reason to explore the possibility that she could fix gems. That wasn’t in the status quo, so it wasn’t ever done. A gem is shattered? “Oh well, let’s make another one. They are expendable pawn in our conquest.” Gems are supposed to be stagnant and seemingly incapable of growth; only Steven showed them that they can use their powers for good.
Notice how Pink’s natural abilities were destructive and harmful, but she reversed them to he healing and helpful, only after a long process of becoming a better person. After learning to be better, the diamonds found ways to use their naturally destructive natures for the betterment of others, just like Pink did.
@@HelloCompanion I still think that if yellow was experimenting with the shattered parts of gems to the point where she'd create the cluster she would have tried to put pink back together given gem surgery (idk) Is her strong suit she has experience in the field, pink isn't treated as an expendable asset like every other gem so why wouldn't she try. The only reason she started doing it large scale was because steven told them to, we have no reason to believe that she couldn't do something like that beforehand given that her new power only entail changing the projections of gems not her ability to put them together again.
Adoring Fan Thats my point. Yellow always had those abilities, but she never thought to use them in that way until Steven changed her. She would have never tried to reverse the shattering of Pink because the gem empire was built on fear and the idea that shattering was permanent. She never acted outside of how she was supposed to, and fixing people IS NOT what she’s supposed to do.
Also, remember, White knew that Pink was never “really” shattered. She just didn’t think that her giving her gem to Steven would totally erase Pink as a separate entity. White calls the shots. She thought of all the events as just another one of Pink’s games. She wouldn’t have allowed Yellow to even try, methinks.
Connie: "YEAH. IT IS YOUR FAULT"
*Everyone liked that*
Gabrielle yes
Bruh I was like damn Connie
@@Nathon-jd7qz right? Me too hahaha
That was the second best line in the entire series right next to "I could have lost all my character development"
I don't think she is aware of the power diamond's have.
White Diamond especially.
I feel like the ending finished too fast. And it didn’t even reveal any untold secrets or anything like that. It didn’t mention or show pink diamond, answer any questions we have about her or show the history of any crystal gem. The final fight scene was lame, Spinel ended up meaning nothing to the show, and the goodbyes should have ended with a memory with Steven and the person maybe. But the Jasper fight scenes we fucking GOATED.
Vezor I had a feeling they were really limited on time. I doubted they wanted to leave the show off so messily.
In the finale fight scene they didn't want to hurt him though
And it wasn't about pink diamond the end was just about Steven and the future
Rebecca had a lot of ideas as the other comments said so maybe she can reveal them soon, she did say it wasn't her last installment of something idk
The jasper fight was great yeah,,,, but I thought it was sad not just because of the end of the fight but because he liked hurting her
The animation was amazing though
@Vezor It must be so frustrating to know you can do better than what you've been ultimately obligated to do, to have all those ideas that are never going to be explored character, and know people won't view the show exactly the way you wanted them to because of time restriction...
But for the time they had, I guess it wasn't too bad.
Yeah, I agree. It felt like the series was rushed :c
The final fight scene wasn't lame I don't know what you mean by that. did we really need to SEE Pink Diamond? like why? Spinel didn't exactly mean "nothing" in terms of steven learning he may need to fight sometimes from the movie
Wait
Question
When two people fuse, they experience each others' mental states and worries. We saw when Stevonnie was training that both Connie and Steven's worries made their concentrations falter and made them see **literal hallucinations**.
Amethyst is the only Gem that fuses with Steven in Future. Connie also fuses with Steven. But like, Connie's a human and she's only fused with Steven. I can forgive her for not knowing the ins and outs of this weird thing. Amethyst? She's 6,000 years old and she's fused with the entirety of the CGs. She's the older sister. And she experienced Steven's Pink Outburst in the form of that quickie speed boost.
The idea that Amethyst, as Smoky Quartz, did not see or feel an inkling of all this PTSD that was manifesting within Steven, is just a tad hard to swallow. I can swallow it, it's just like 'damn sis, you slipped hard'
Amethyst isn't one to pick up on things like that
Sugar said that when gems fuse, the fusions only know things that the components let them know. That’s why Sardonyx didn’t know that Rose Quartz was Pink Diamond, for example. Also, Steven’s new power in that scene was brought upon by the stress of the scene, not his PTSD. His body reacts to his stress more intensely and gave him the supper speed
@@flopps1051 But then, why did Stevonnie see Connie's classmate and Steven's enemies/mom? Steven knew none of her classmates, and I'm sure Connie didn't know about Jasper or Eyeball or Bismuth--and especially not about all the problems with Rose.
@@juanpablorobayo9891 If that's what Steven or Connie were thinking about while as Stevonnie, then that's what Stevonnie thinks about. RS compared fusions to children; they only know what you tell them. Connie, herself, might not have really understood it, but Steven/Stevonnie were thinking about it and that's why it manifested.
Steven has fused with Garnet, Amethyst and Pearl and Connie.
So... What I learned from this video was that Avatar the last Airbender is universally agreed as God Tier work.
literally yes
100% yes
Do not forget Gargoyles, Spectacular Spider-Man and Samurai Jack.
What about Gravity Falls, Adventure Time and Regular Show, they are masterpiece too and they don't ruin themselves in the end
Expect for rags'sss'ss and Darth Mall
Rebecca said she didnt want Pearl to be defined by her relationships, which is so bs.
The entire show Pearl was absolutely defined by her relationship with Rose and everytime it felt like she had moved on she went right back and it was kind of frustrating.
I also wish she got with Bismuth just to confirm once and for all Pearl was making her own choices and was no longer affected by Rose/Pink and their relationship.
Ugh. Whatever
@Elisa Castro lol I dont ship anything in su except Garnet and Stevonnie but nice try. I just think Pearl actually moving on from Rose/Pink and being in a relationship to confirm this would've been cool. But stay mad I guess
@@violetviruss You got a point, remember when Pearl chased some mystery chick in a car because she resembled Rose? I hated that
@@AdmiralChimp yea, confirmed with Pearl's line about not knowing humans came with pink hair, confirming her attraction was solely based on mystery girl looking like Rose. It's so bad fhfjjf
@@violetviruss Pearl's complete obsession with Rose even past her death while it was an interesting theme and concept to explore, always left me uncomfortable because it was freaking Steven's mom. Just super awkward and insensitive to Steven, always made me feel bad for him
@@AdmiralChimp also her doing things like almost letting Steven fall and die and Steven never being upset about it are so weird. Like you said, it's a super interesting trait to explore, but shes never shown consequences of obsessing over Rose like that. It hyperfocuses on her just being sad and it leads to her character feeling like it's going in circles instead of displaying the different layers and emotions of grief, even tho the show set that up!
I really wish shattering was permanent and over the last few episodes steven was slowly corrupted instead of just insta corruption and i don't really get why his ptsd decide to react by making him more of a diamond slow corrupton would have been a better setup
It wasn't really corruption, just another variant of Steven's mental state affecting his physical form. Like when his age kept fluctuating in Too Many Birthdays. In this instance, he thought he was a monster, so he turned into one.
Go rewatch too many birthdays or cat fingers. It is basically that kind of dynamic and isn’t really the type of corruption like seen with eyeball or which wasn’t natural but artificially inflicted by the diamonds. It seems mental based which likely go hand and hand with the ptsd. Steven and gems take on forms which they think they are mentally. Those filler type episodes displayed that a bit and probably should be prerequisite to understanding this arch.
If Jasper stayed shattered that scene of Steven trying to bring her back would've been much more emotional but instead they just pulled off a 2nd fake out death.
@@rebellsprout5754 exactly corruption depends on a gems state of mind a la jasper who was corrupted cause she kept getting beaten lapis wouldn't refuse with her and cause she fused with another gems whose mind was corrupted if steven didn't turn into a monster i'd be inclined to agree with Daniel Wilson but he does become a monster like corruption
Edit: cat fingers is a little different but to many birthdays is like a pseudo-corruption its cause his state of mind
@@thebanjoorder4446 But he only became a monster because he thought he was one; it wasn't real corruption. You don't fix actual Gem corruption by just getting group hugged.
One of the biggest issues I have with this epilogue series is that Steven faces no consequences for his actions towards others. He unshatters Jasper, White Diamond completely forgives him even though he tried to kill her, he destroys a hospitals room, and many more examples where he faces no consequences. Okay, he corrupts, but he's not getting shit from any characters other than himself. I also don't like that Stevens actions were excused on the premise that "he has a mental illness." I, as a person who does have mental illnesses, don't feel great about Steven having that as a scapegoat, even though it is never deliberately said that way, it is implied. Just my opinion as someone who watched the show since it first came out. Good video dude
I agree although considering White tried to kill Steven before I don't think she has much of a right to be mad.I'm not excusing Stevens actions either.
@@PeterGriffin11 Which is understandable. White tried to off Steven. So therefore it was kind of karma coming her way. But... that being said, Steven having committed an act like that was definitely... not all that great.
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If that bothers you than you should feel frustrated about almost every character lmao. Spinel doesn’t get any consequences for trying to kill every living being on Earth, neither does White for literally being the source of everyone’s problems, neither do Blue and Yellow, or Bismuth for wanting to kill Steven, or Lapis for doing the same, or Peridot for doing the same etc.
Anyways you can’t really judge someone going through a psychosis as if they were aware of their actions. That doesn’t mean that anyone with a mental illness can just do wrong things, but you can’t judge him like a sane person. And I get this might be personal to you, I obviously don’t know what you were diagnosed of and at what age, but I don’t think the show is saying something problematic by implying that people going through psychosis can’t really be blamed, and understand that because of your personal experience you might think the opposite.
@@feathernote7149 Exactly.
Mohamed Diarra I actually don’t like spinel or lapis. I know as characters they’re good. I know they’re mentally ill. But both were just instantly forgiven. Bismuth’s bad made sense. The diamonds murdered people and Steven defended them. And peridot actually sacrificed her rank and her pride for the purpose of growth. Spinel just cried a bit and then she was redeemed. Lapis just cried about not seeing homeworld and she was redeemed. I would like them if they went through an arc like peridot but they couldn’t and also spinel didn’t have time.
Also he INSULTED and DEGRADED Greg’s trauma and completely ignored Rose’s!
Steven: **brings three Rose Quartz' home**
Greg: **struggles seeing Amethyst shapeshift into Rose**
Steven: You wanna stay for dinner?
@@jadedluvr It was wrong of them leaving Steven with them too. Steven was trying to move on but they are suck dwelling about the past. Greg was in the wrong too.He didn't give Steven a normal life. He gave Steven too much freedom. After what Steven's been though, he wanted stability.
You know something said in the heat of the moment when at all other times he has been sensitive to Greg. Love some confirmation bias.
@@josephinamungaray6118 Absolutely agree with this. Just making a joke at the expense of the characters.
Edit: It wasn't his smartest or most thoughtful moment, but in Future, they give him a lot of out of character moments. It's understandable at times, but frustrating at others.
@@pestell66 Also agree with this.
It’s a shame you have to make that “it’s my opinion” disclaimer in the first place. If you’re making a claim it’s obviously what you think like why are people so insecure lol
Your a fucking saint
this comment was only made a hour ago? felt like a week ago honestly...
Its because most people are Whiny babies who don't like to be challenged or see things in multiple perspectives. Fandoms nowadays have become the new religious denominations fighting eachother over what's right and what's wrong.
I agree but the final ep is very emotional for most steven universe as people like me who were 13 and now 19 just watched there childhood finish but otherwise good video keep up the good work☺
@@user-mq2yu4eu6i true about people who grew up with it honestly I wouldn't say the finale was bad
I will say this as a positive; it was Zach Callison's best performance since season 2.
He's gotten *really* good
sober splash yeah, I mean I liked him in the original show, he's just been on stand by for 3-5, like he's got a checklist going "uh huh..yeah,, be anxious in the exact same tone as ever other emotion"
Least know I'm getting actual emotion from him. When he's doing better than the three main actors fkr the Gems, you know vocal direction for this show isn't great
Media Kira eh...tone isn't always the same. vocal wise? never found the show bad in that aspect really
Well he was (and is) going through some things, where he found himself relating to Steven, with his own mental health problems. I think part of his performance was channel his real life emotions he was feeling into his speech.
The ending scene where everyone took their turns one-upping the others with how much blame they carry for the situation made me think of the first finale of Futurama where the Robot Devil got pissed off at the writing in Fry's opera.
"YOU CAN'T JUST HAVE YOUR CHARACTERS ANNOUNCE HOW THEY'RE FEELING! THAT MAKES ME FEEL ANGRY!"
It’s interesting hearing other people’s opinion on the show either it be criticism or praise.
I honestly should probable see some praise....since im the kind of positive fan who just likes to just torture myself by just watching negative videos lol
I think some of his points make sense but I also think Steven Universe was made for children and Steven universe future for teenagers who have positive memories from their childhood. I highly doubt this series was made for teenagers who haven enjoyed seasons 1 - 4 as a child. The opinions are interesting doe.
@@rohanbayliss6192 honestly that feels like me since I remember enjoying the show when I was younger and I really did.
Jayden C haha 😂
Rohan Bayliss yeah if you’ve been watching the show for a while and have enjoyed of course your gonna gravitate towards that extra content you know
I really did ended up liking SU Future and Steven as a character slowly turning into madness. Which surprised me cause I consider S5 the worst season of the show.
But with that being said I think the biggest blue ball Future did were the threats that the opening showed. Jasper? Wasn't really a threat and more of her just being stubborn. The 2 Lapis were weak and never was heard from again. Bluebird was weak and never was heard from again. Cactus Monster Steven was eh at best. Monster Steven was resolved EXTREMELY quickly. And what I think was the BIGGEST blue ball this show did was the Pink White Diamond tease. It ended up literally being nothing.
I didn't really seem them as threats. More or less as that they are personal issues Steven has to deal with before he's semi normal & fine with moving forward with his life. That's just my take.
@@R.J.Productions616 In hindsight yea, but we know that now that the show ended. The opening made it seem like they'd be villians and threats coming for the crystal gems. They all looked so cool and threatening in the opening, especially Pink WD and Monster Steven. From my perspective, many people were hyping them up (Maybe except for Cactus Steven) and with good reason as the shot give that sort of atmosphere. In my opinion they should've just had Monster Steven and maybe Bluebird.
And while you may have a point, I don't see it as the 2 other Lapis were more of a battle for our Lapis cause Steven barely did anything in that episode and again Jasper wasn't even much of a problem for Steven. I still stand by Pink WD being a big blue ball because while it does represent how Steven doesn't want to be a Diamond, the scene itself lasted less than a minute or two.
I just wish they did MORE with them cause they all had so much potential. But I guess that problem itself is with the show's horrible runtime of 11 minutes per episode.
@@MistaUnlucky The thing is you played yourself because it's Steven universe. You should of known based on how the show naturally went on.
@@2mellow35 You know what? I have no argument, you are 100% right lmao.
i think that image should’ve never existed, people were already hyped and it ruined the hype of white diamond, jasper and fans figuring out its corrupted steven made it underwhelming
My biggest gripe with this show overall is the hate/lack of empathy they throw towards Pink Diamond/Rose at every opportunity they gave. It felt very against the nature of the show, and I kept hoping that they'd fix that one thing and they never did :/ I feel like that one issue connects to the issues everyone has with the show overall.
The second they revealed that Pink Diamond was definitively dead- was one of the worse decisions they could have made. It just made her to be a narrative punching bag that couldn't explain her actions nor defend herself from all the accusations and hard feelings they had towards her. And she was then made out to be the biggest villain in the show(above the other diamonds, even) and it was never ever resolved. That change in feelings towards Rose/PD by all the characters, forced the story to change accordingly- because the show runners refused to allow the characters to come to understand her; despite the shows overall message of forgiveness and people being able to grow.
Rose didn't have much of a choice but to start a war(pearl confirmed it), she did so to save earth and help set it's people free.... And she did so as SOON as she realized that they were killing life on the planet. Deep down, pink was extremely caring(one of the traits Steven inherited from her) and dreamed that gems could someday live freely- thats what she fought for. Pink had her share of problems, like disregarding peoples feelings when those feelings involved her; but none of what she did was so bad that it warranted her the reputation she now has. Especially when she was considered a war hero up until they found out she was Pink Diamond(Even though her being Pink Diamond changed next to nothing. What they were fighting for was the same regardless).
I don't know. I feel like Rose was thrown waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay under the bus. To the point that her son doesn't even want to think about her... And thats all because he now views her as more of a villain than a hero. You might say 'well, it's her fault that he was put through all this stuff... so it's valid he feels that way' and yeah sure. I'm positive that's what the crewinverse was going for.... However the issue is that that perception is only achieved because they demonized Rose to do it(If she had stayed a hero, Steven would have still been proud that she was his mom and a lot of these bad feelings would never have manifested). If the show had followed through with it's own morals; they would have put aside the fact that she was a diamond and evaluated her as the person she grew to become, Rose Quartz, and not who she was before the war started. And to me, their failure to do so makes this entire show extremely hypocritical, especially when the other three diamonds(At least, before the movie and Future tried to cover it up) and Jasper received far more forgiveness and leeway than they actually deserved.
IDK. It just leaves a bad taste in my mouth when I really want to like this show. Everything went downhill after 'Change your mind'.
Totally agree!
woah that was very spot on on how I feel about the whole Rose Quartz/Rose being the villain topic as well. Like I felt more empathy towards her than Jasper and (especially) the Diamonds
Perfectly summed up how I feel about Steven and PD'S relationship. Sure, PD has done some bad shit, but ultimately her actions (faking her death & shaking the belief that diamonds are 'perfect', starting a war against literal dictators) were the basis to saving earth. Steven judging her past self when he's no better(bruh, steven shattered a gem) made it hard to take his actions seriously as the writers intended it to be. I hated the future episode where steven kinda joked around the problem, like 'just another mistake my mom made'. He also tries to compare his own issues with his father, degrading the trauma greg has been through. And everything gets explained with PTSD, as if that's a legit excuse. I get that rose was glorified by the gems before but Steven has to take her seriously.
PD was undeniably kinda an ass, but she wasn’t evil. Yet the show treats her as if she’s more unredeemable than the 3 genocidal space tyrants lol? How?? How come the other diamonds get treated as quirky aunts but Pink is just treated as total trash I just don’t get their decisions there?
@@Eclip_11 Yeah, like Pink wasn't great sometimes, and did pretty shitty things sometimes, but the Diamonds were objectively worse than her
I feel like the idea of Steven trying to figure out his mental state sounds great but they execution was terrible. I was so disappointed by SU Future. The finale felt so empty to me.
Same man
I also feel the very same! The concept is really great but I really felt the execution could have been so much greater. I didn’t feel as much as an impact towards the end.
@@haileycarnine4370 I clearly remember the ending moments of shows like Adventure Time and Gravity Falls. They were sad, but also gave one final feel for the show as a whole. Steven Universes ending was... the gems crying to the point of it being comedic and Steven driving off? It was way too cheesy and the show hadn't earned a moment like that. It's so weird because SU was once the show that was known for making everyone cry, but the ending left me feeling nothing but disappointment.
It was at best an insult to people with mental disorders and trauma. I should know, I am one.
The show needed more episodes, and the ability to have some episodes with a longer runtime, but CN didn't allow it, so they were forced to work with what they had.
SU crew: “All questions will be answered”
SU Finale: no questions were answered ...
We got answers in SU Future though like what happened to the zoomans, what the homeworld gems are doing post change your mind, etc.
This is a long one
Stevens corruption went by to fast and it didn't feel big enough it terms of scale for a few reasons in my opinion. The whole fight took place in front of Stevens house it would've been nice to see Steven partially destroy beach city while the gems and diamonds struggle to calm Steven down while protecting the citizens instead the fight just takes place in front of his house.
I think more characters should've gotten involved as well I liked seeing The cluster, diamonds and spinel as well as Bismuth, Peridot and Lapis getting involved but Lars & The Off Colors and Beach City citizens should've gotten involved and his corruption should've last for at least 2 or even 3 episodes in my opinion.
It also felt strange that Cactus Steven, Mean Lapis and Blue Bird Azurite never came back and Jasper's character didn't seem to change with her training Steven and eventually accepting him as her diamond only to be rejected by him I liked Steven Universe future but it could've benefited from having more episodes we never even found out what was in the chest. Steven leaving Beach city also made sense but I think he left too soon he has no education, has been shown to be socially awkward around people at times due to his unnatural upbringing & he has no job how is he supposed to make it on his own?
Some other smaller things I didn't like was how Garnet Amethyst or Pearl never told Bismuth, Lapis or Peridot that Steven ran from home and was acting strange, we never found out how Steven truly feels about his mother now, Jasper didn't stay shattered and we didn't see a new fusion in the finale.
Meg Griffin
The fact that the fight takes place in a limited area doesn’t undermine the capacity of destruction Steven is presented to have since he is still shown to cause earthquakes by stepping and is said to be stronger than the cluster.
Jasper did change though. Of course Jasper being Jasper still is pretty much below the other characters in term of development, she is the ever loyal soldier. But it’s clear that she joined Little Homeschool, which is not supposed to be a little detail but a big deal, she is as well on the path of healing.
Yes, Steven leaving Beach City will probably make him struggle, but that’s the point right. He still has to grow and going out there, exploring his humanity throughout his country, will make him grow, even if it’ll be harder for him than for someone else. I think it’s very inspiring and it’s just such a Steven Universe-like bittersweet but utterly positive direction.
@@mohameddiarra9722 I didn't realize Jasper joined little home School I thought she only came there to see Steven either way I guess it is nice to see her join little homeschool but we didn't see her character grow on screen or why she decided to join but instead we just got that short scene which was unsatisfying in my opinion. As for the fight in my opinion it taking place In such a small contained area on top of it lasting one episode made it feel too contained like I said before I still liked the episode but it wasn't perfect and it could've been better in my opinion.
Yeah, I like to say that if Steven isn't near a scene the entire Universe around him gets a Za Warudo.
For example after the Wanted Special...
You can't tell me that the gems just arrived at his home or that connie cut her hair or Lars escaping Homeworld happenrd all off screen.
If I would could make Videos I would do Videos about certain characters that are handled like Steven just to show how much plot is missing.
For example Ducktales and Dewey gets the Steven treatment.
We wouldn't see Magica and Lena at all and only the scenes that he is involved.
If the attention shifts to a completely different location it will be cut out.
Shut up Meg
I find that a large part of my disappointment and contention with this overall series is that there is a lack of consequences, and actual solutions for problems. While I have had large bouts of mental illness around Steven’s age, I find that him going from yelling at his father should have been the furthest he had gone. The fact that Steven has done awful things throughout this entire series; I.e: Yelling and triggering an abuse survivor (Volleyball), Killing Someone (Jasper), blowing off everyone’s concerns because he is angsty now, even when his loved ones offer to hear him out (Connie). All of that is something that should have large consequences, at the very least not have Jasper revive so that Steven didn’t have to look bad. I think it's frustrating when you see Steven do awful and shitty things, only for him to basically get off the hook numerous times. They never even addressed Jasper’s shattering like. At all? I didn’t understand, just because you revive someone doesn’t just blow off the fact that you killed someone? I found that so jarring.
Sidetracking off that, but I find that people comparing SU with Bojack Horseman kinda insulting. Bojack Horseman was very much a show about consequences and how people deal with their actions. Bojack also did awful terrible things to numerous people within his life. But differently, then Steven we saw him trying to make changes (season 2 beginning, season 5, etc.) We actively see Bojack getting better, and wanting to change, even when he fucks up royally. Whereas Steven actively resists help at any and all costs. It gets so bad that he turns into a monster only furthering that he could have harmed the entire town if the plot didn’t bullshit its way out of Steven actually having consequences towards his actions and decisions. I find myself more sympathetic towards Bojack more than Steven, even if Bojack did more awful things than Steven did. Due to the fact that I could very much see him struggling almost endlessly to be a better person. At the end of Steven Universe, I still didn’t really get that. They threw in seeing a therapist when Steven should have been doing that once someone suggested it or just at the beginning if he could have recognized that himself.
Sorry if this isn't the most put together, I just had to ramble feelings out because this entire show has been like a weird acid trip
I just wish that CN would've give the SU crew more time, cause they had ideas and concepts! The problem is - they didn't have the time.
Oh, so Steven is forgiven for fucking up by the same people who contributed to this situation and did much MUCH worse to him in the past? You don't say?! It's almost like he forgave everyone who's ever fucked up with him and shoved his own feelings down so he could help them instead... nah.
steven ignoring others made sense really... but his consequences? well they existed his own mental state was getting worse and jasper being shattered was brought up. it would have been nice and made sense to see monster steven destory stuff...although we did see that with normal steven
Control F
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@Sporadic you fiend
@@gamaielgacasan8962 I would be certain that was a joke had I not heard from a teacher friend that most of her elementary students don't even understand the concept of highlighting text. Don't be content to passively consume kid you got rough times ahead, we all do.
@@juliepersell8491 Obviously, that's what happens when you watch Rick and Morty, so my IQ is at least 200.
If they had to rush to make the ending, why didn't the remove the useless filler in future and use those episodes as a chance to slowly show him breaking down. Everything felt so discombobulated and fake. It wasn't even realistic that hugs solved his problems. Years of trauma and a hug solves it all? Them all apologizing? He never got to yell at them for the things they did to him they don't even know about how their problems affected him because he doesn't get to say it.
Overall though, for me, the biggest injustice was the fact that in Steven's final breakdown he isn't blaming anyone else he's STILL blaming himself he's STILL calling himself the problem. The fact that Connie was even needed to tell the ENTIRETY of the cast that they were what caused his problems is the dumbest shit ever. Felt like a fake anime moment.
Did I cry during the finale, yes. But it wasn't because everything ended well. If the voice actors didn't carry the script, it would be entirely evident that it was super rushed. As most rushed endings go, production covers bad writing. That's all there is to it.
I was confused with steven calling himself a monster. He always tried to do the best he could. No matter who the person was. Steven is well characterized as someone who cared. Why was he so self hating? That was my thought process the whole time.
@@josesosa3337 The only reason I could think of him saying that is because they wanted a reason for him to turn into a monster.
The hug never solved his problems, the hug calmed him down. The show said in the last few mintues of the last episodes that he went to a therapist and months past by in the final few mintues.
@@josesosa3337 He called himself a monster because he became "worse than his mother", remeber when he had to get rid of Eyeball to save himself? He hated doing it because he didn't want to shatter or hurt people like his mom, Rose; Only thing that, while it was revealed Pink never did, he did ... the self blaming comes since the Aquamarine arc (or sooner probably) where everything that happened to people and gem stuff was because of him, so he felt like he had to take the blame and fix everything like he did in thar arc and after ... the thing that he hurted people in a way his mother never ever think about and how he should be a fixing angel instead of an ordinary teen made him completely destroy the immage he had of himself, what he should've been ... as Steven is very insecure and drammatic, he jumped from an extreme to the opposite
Note, this is what HE tought, I don't think he's bad or toxic by any means
if you think about it ... Aqua and Eye have big parts in all this
@@josesosa3337 I mean Steven had *always* been hard on himself, even in the original series, so it wasn't weird to me
No one gonna comment on how he absolutely PLOWED through that steel soul play-through?! That's was like a legitimately good speed run (except for saving Zote haha)
This is my favorite comment in all of this comment section, you know?
Don't forget how Volleyball got sidelined after her episode and never got fixed, how Jasper never got developed, Stevonnie/Connie never had any use besides support (even though she trained and got a sword) and basically became the chick, how Lars and Sadie had to end so that the writers could make him outlive her without reality ensuing...
i will never forgive rebecca for not giving us the proper lapis and peridot resolution. they just smiled and swept it under the carpet umm???
and the fusion as a bonus of course. the. freaking. lapidot. fusion.
Volleyball’s eye is left up to interpretation on purpose, hence why it’s covered by a plant in everything’s fine, and Jasper did get developed, she’s just a really stubborn person who’s stuck in her old ways, it’s that simple- Stevonnie isn’t supposed to be “of use” it’s not for fighting, even tho it can’t be it’s mainly a physical representation of their bond and mutual love of each other, and Connie was never “the chick” she’s always been a very close friend and companion to Steven, someone to grow up with him, Lars and Sadie ended because they grew apart, it’s a thing that happens, it happened to me, and they wanted to show that sometimes life is just that way, and people move on and change
@@ScapeVEVO what they did to jasper was by far the worst shit ive ever seen done to a character. developed? sure. just made her become incredibly stupid and left her obsessive trauma-induced fucked up way of respect as a punchline and gag.
@@shadowdahfuckinhedgehawg4946 What they did to Jasper is definitely, by far, a really bad writing mistake. They didn't just mishandle her character poorly. They literally didn't change her at all besides making her about the same. Yeah she develops... but barely at all.
@@ScapeVEVO things being left up to interpretation on purpose isn't always a good thing either. yeah lets just leave a character's scars of abuse remain or not for interpretation of the viewer. lets leave everything up to interpretation lets leave the entire story up for interpretation if it was all just a dream. and what they mean by connie "being the chick" was that she pretty much just got less interesting after her sword fighting. she became a love interest to steven. her character is being smart and loving steven. there were a lot of theories going around if connie had ptsd of her own and was hiding it, which now that i think about it: imagine if connie had actually shared with steven that she has trauma from all the fucked up things that she endured throughout her life along with steven and said that stevens not alone. imagine that happened instead of connie being like "lets fucking save steven everyone!" and kissed him.
it feels that connie was never really her own character after sword fighting. just a best friend later lover for steven to have in the future.
and for the most part im ok with lars and sadie separating.
Yes omg finally someone said it !! The finale was a complete disappointment and it especially irked me on how they had to use that dumb overused cliche of everything being solved by everyone just hugging corrupt steven and connie's 'epic' (but honestly tiring and cringey) speech :/ it just felt so rushed and reminded me of white diamonds turnaround of when she turned good.
1. Limited time and episodes - RS said there were a lot that should've been resolved if they were given more episodes to air.
2. They couldn't hurt Steven - They didn't want to risk losing Steven by fighting him all out. Greg was also there and I know he wouldn't want to see Steven getting hurt physically. It's the only solution that would make sense even though it was cliché. Unless you have ideas you might want to share?
3. The diamonds' redemption arc carried over to Future, so at least we saw some questions being answered.
@@wreckss8223
1. They could have cut back on the townie stuff if they were working with time restraints.
2. My suggestion, have monster Steven do more than roar and thrash around. He's a Diamond, there should be a little more of a struggle to even get near him.
Have him blast some pink energy, or create gem spikes with one swipe of his tail; or even use all of his normal Steven abilities in tandem like making bubble shields around himself.
@@palerider9952 Replace the townie stuff with what? Future was literally supposed to focus on that stuff or the human aspect of Steven hence explaining how most of the series were building up to his struggles as a hybrid.
edit: plus the fact that Lapis was able to barely hold him off; and it was shown that Lapis can already do that to a diamond (Blue)
Karl Hunter
They literally state he wasn't corrupted, that he simply transformed.
Even if he was corrupted, I'm sure they can make an exception for a corrupted Diamond and give him his powers.
BlackWidow
Oh, not just Future; I mean they should have cut down on townie stuff as a whole. I've been hearing "time constraints" thrown around since Season 2; but literally every animated show has time constraints.
They should have worked around it and cut down on slice of life stuff to tell their story. Gem War stuff, Homeworld's origins, Diamond Lore; etc.
I never mentioned Lapis; my point was that Steven should be using more of his abilities if they were building them up all season.
Steven irritated me to not end once his trauma started to show - the writers seemed like they WANTED him to snap and bent the plot into a pretzel to make Steven snap, taking people out of the plot as needed to ensure Steven snaps, and making him refuse to talk about his problems. Steven has always been the most caring, open and empathetic person on the show, often putting Naruto to shame with his Talk No Jutsu powers.
I get that trauma can make people act irrationally, but the writers basically dogpiled the stress onto Steven all at one to the point I could not suspend my disbelief. If a show is written for people to just enjoy and wants them to just not consider its bad writing, it's a badly written show. Jasper's shattering ultimately amounted to nothing of consequence to the overall plot, it was done primarily for shock value.
I also don't buy that Steven has been dealing with trauma since episode 1, the vast majority of the first 5 seasons had him experience basically NO lasting trauma to all the f'ed up stuff he went through. Even with a supporting care group Steven was characterised as being largely immune to stress and trauma - remember how reaction to Peridot's stressing out the Cluster was going to DESTROY the Earth? He was TOTALLY chill about literal earth-SHATTERING danger.
If we saw hints of his trauma in the first seasons I would have bought it more, but it's clear the Crewniverse were NOT setting up a trauma season when writing the first 5 seasons.
Adventures In Light Distortion.
I mean there was some trauma in Full disclosure when Steven was trying to grasp the whole, thinking the crystal gems were dead when they were de-stabilised and the lapis and jasper forming malachite and nit speaking to Connie because of it. But other than that it was more like crying for a few minutes and then gaining courage from whoever was there solving it then and there with a fight or him talking sense into them (smth like Smoky Quartz, Holo Pearl, The Cluster etc)
The trauma is totally *there* if you watch older seasons; I think the Crewniverse just was a bit too subtle
Which you can say about a lot of things they do in the show; it’s for kids after all, you might need to make things a bit more blatant
@@yabazyabacoffee I think you are giving the writers too much credit. Pulling a handful of random episodes to justify Future's handling of Steven's character does not explain the vast majority of the series where Steven was showing no signs of trauma. Also consider how Steven completes the original series, and going into the movie - no trauma, no stress, he was all geared up for his happily ever after, and he basically gets it once Spinel is dealt with.
Then Future happened and the resolved issues Steven, you know, resolved, come back tenfold.
@@sobersplash6172 I think you are giving the writers too much credit. Pulling a handful of random episodes to justify Future's handling of Steven's character does not explain the vast majority of the series where Steven was showing no signs of trauma. Also consider how Steven completes the original series, and going into the movie - no trauma, no stress, he was all geared up for his happily ever after, and he basically gets it once Spinel is dealt with.
Then Future happened and the resolved issues Steven, you know, resolved, come back tenfold.
I personally really enjoyed the show and got a bit choked up when watching the ending but honestly the pacing could have been much better
CrimsonJPEG yeah I agree. I thought the ending was touching and I’d give it a decent 9/10. However if they were given more time, it would’ve been even better.
Annoying Person HA!!! more time , You’re funny
Jamaican woMAN ok Ima keep it real with you there’s something called a fucking opinion and if you think the ending is perfect your wrong
Annoying Person ok ima ask u a question , where In the world in my comment does it say I liked the ending
Jamaican woMAN Never said you did, it’s called a question in which you didn’t answer.
The only thing I liked about Jasper coming back from being shattered was Steven's line in his breakdown where he's like "don't worry! I fixed that too! I can fix *anything*! I can just keep messing up-" blah blah. We didn't necessarily need the shattering for that line to still be used, but to me it gave more of a dreadful oomph that in his current state of mind he was trying to rationalize killing someone as no big deal because he was able to take it back. It still is a big deal that he killed someone, at least emotionally if for no other reason.
That being said, I still would have preferred her staying shattered and Steven having to come to terms with the fact that he can't fix all of his "mistakes" and if he's not careful they can have permanent ramifications.
Also: How the gem inner circle got turned into insensitive two dimensional characters who were only there for the plot to develop and who constantly ignored Steven, even though there were episodes like the Marble robonoids' one or the Blue Diamond in Korea one, where the gems were quick to find and rescue Steven when he needed them. Not to mention the time everyone took Steven on a "Gemcation" in the hopes of having him open up to them.
Honestly, it's ridiculous how the plot of Prickly Pair never got mentioned again and how the gems simply dismissed Steven's behaviour during that episode.
Spirit of the Harvest Moon
I think you are forgetting a lot about these characters and the show. Steven was a liar. Throughout the show he has been keeping very serious feelings for himself and the Gems never really knew. The Test is the first episode he does this but it becomes an habit for Steven to not focus on himself but keep fixing everyone else’s problems. And it’s not out of character for the Gems to be oblivious to that. And even then they couldn’t force him talk, they tried but he always ran away etc. In Prickly Pair, it was the first time they might have had an idea that something was wrong but they didn’t act on him because it became such a huge deal in the original show for Steven to ask the Gems to trust him, plus they had no idea of the extent of what he was going through until Fragments beginning. But they were still there and they still tried, and they weren’t written as people who didn’t care.
@@mohameddiarra9722 come on, Steven, unlike his mom (or is it "like his mom before Rose"?), can't lie for shit. By one third of the season I'm sure some of the main gems have asked him if he was okay out of concern, and that suspicion doesn't go away with a "yeah, I'm fine", specially after several incidents. The truth is they dumbed down the entire cast to give some reason for Steven to continue to feel bad about himself for an entire season, and even went as far as bend the world so that Steven's mistakes seem like not that big of a deal to an audience who constantly tries to justify murder just because their dear character committed it.
The CGs were always asking him if there were something bothering Steven, it was Steven who ignored them, said he was fine and left them on hold. All they could do was take his word for it mostly because you can't force someone to open up.
@@mohameddiarra9722 what the fuck. he isn't lyar. also this whole future arc is repeat of season 4 rose quartz liar arc. steven is frustrated with Rose and how she did things, but he accepts it and kinda forgives her. episode 3&4 Steven overreacts to quartzes he's never seen before, then gets almost mad when Volleyball tells it was Pink who damaged her eye (and by some reason he hides it from Pearl). It's like they ignored Storm in the Room (one of best episodes to me) and forced characted attitude shift for the sake of making him Godzilla.
ouji subete o
Steven is a liar in the sense that he omits the truth about his feelings to others. He pretends to be okay. Pretending’s lying.
I think the best way to sum up my thoughts is really just,
*Huh, it’s over now.*
I’ve spent years investing time and emotional energy into this show that I can’t NOT like it. I didn’t spend almost 4 years watching this show to hate it. But I think what I enjoy are little _moments_ inside a bigger whole. I enjoyed jailbreak and the main gems and peridots redemption and countless other _moments_ in the show, and I was willing to excuse some of the negatives people had like lapis kind of not being great, but was EXTREMELY upset by other aspects like always needing Steven’s perspective and everything about the diamonds. But overall, I still find myself returning to those little moments that I enjoyed, despite my frustration.
The finale just amplified those emotions at a much faster speed and by the end it just melded into
“Welp, glad that’s over”
I agree with you about stuff like the steven perspective issue and the diamonds and really enjoying steven universe honestly though I don't lapis is a bad character at all believe it or not like many seem to think
im both glad and sad the show is over glad cause well it's lived it's life now and sad since this was one of the shows I can say was "part of my kid childhood" and seeing little steven singing "we are the crystal gems" now seems pretty emotional
@@Jdudec367 I don't think lapis is a TERRIBLE character, but I feel like the writers did her dirty. We didn't see her development like how we saw peridot's redemption arc. My problem isn't really with lapis, it's with because steven wasn't there to see Lapis grow, the audience didn't see her grow either.
@@emuscreeches6092 honestly the thing about lapis is even thiough we didn't see eberything I wouldn't say we didn't see her develop because we certainly did I don't think see was really poorly written I would say we did see her grow but sime stuff like her realiation she messed up on the moon was off screen
I swear, this show should've died and been declared a failure years ago. The only reason it's still thought of as a revolutionary ground breaking cartoon is because it still has such an obnoxiously large and overly dedicated fanbase that's easily swayed by the most feeble LGBT representation and keeps holding onto it while making over complex theories over the most mundane things. They do everything in their power out of some sort of desperation to make it seem like Steven Universe is this complex and timeless modern classic (Or this generation's Avatar as IGN laughably put it) when in reality Rebecca Sugar didn't think a single thing through. It did have some really good ideas and it is something different and special that we’ve never seen before, but the way it was executed is beyond terrible.
@@briangriffin9314 I mean I do think SU is heavily flawed, but I still like it anyway
but that might be because I can't help but value themes over good writing
My problem with the ending of SUF is that stupid time skip they put in at the last episode. It was like going through emotional whiplash. You cannot have Steven cry at the end of "I am My Monster" and suddenly be happy and cheerful at the very beginning of the last episode. That's very bad storytelling, especially if you are trying to tackle a problem that every single person has to go through. If they had like one more episode between the two episodes I mentioned, and that same episode talked and showed how Steven recovers from his trauma and how Steven came to his conclusions in the last episode, I would have been fine with it. But the product we got just had bad storytelling and unresolved issues.
Well I get your point but be fair Steven in the last episode mentioned how several months had passed since the events of I am my monster.
@@Mario87456 but the thing is that maybe they should have at least made an episode telling us how Steven came up with his ideas for the future and then do a 4 month time skip. It's just kind of pointless if you don't show us how Steven gets better. And yes the final episode did tell us how he did that, but that's the keyword: "Tell". They "told" us that Steven got a therapist. They "told" us Steven was leaving Beach City. If we do not see how Steven came up with these ideas, then that (in my opinion) slaps the face of anyone going through the symptoms Steven's went through. Sorry to make this long and complicated.
@@Mario87456 but that's the problem, u don't see Steven go through his recovery during that Timeskip
MajesticBoy YT I see your point
Rebecca didn’t show Steven’s therapy session because it would be an invasion of privacy. It’s a cartoon character, who cares if his therapy sessions are shown? They’re essential to watch him develop.
I watched the finale yesterday and I couldn’t really figure out why I didn’t like it, aside from the obvious gripe of loose ends that were never tied up (Steven’s feelings about Rose, Rose’s treasure chest, etc.) This video did a great job vocalizing a lot of my opinions, so thank you! Great content as always.
None of those had to be tied up... Steven's feelings about his mother were expressed multiple times, especially in Future. And the chest was never important, don't see why it had to be expanded upon
Steven Universe: "Greg's a good father, even though he's poor he does his best and Rose was able to see a diamond in the rough with him. He's great even if he's not perfect. A symbol of what good fathers should be."
Steven Universe Future: "Just kidding, he ran away from home and chose to live in a van for his entire adult life, and never took his son to the doctor or sent him to school! Because all your heroes are secretly bad!"
Yeah think it was a poor try at grey morality tbh
@TheDiamondCupcake [TDC] yep
well he is still good in the end that wasn't ever retconned but it showed he did things that would disappoint Steven to again like you said he's not perfect.
@@Jdudec367 Yeah, and we did get some foreshadowing with Uncle Anthony being mad at Greg for leaving the family, so it's not like this came out of nowhere--but still, it's like, Jesus is *everyone* a self-centered idiot?
@@juanpablorobayo9891 well honestly looking at the crystal gems eh not usually Steven normally isn't (despite what someone like EZ PZ may say) Greg honestly likely bought the beach house for the gems and Steven and the first place. and Rose? what she did was either selfless or selfish depending on how you look at it. I mean she gave up everything just for Steven to be born which can be seen as pretty selfless. but at the same time she abandoned all of her work and pushed it all onto Steven which can be seen as selfish.
What Ive taken away from this show is that its always reaching for these intense/emotional/ triumphant moments that the stories do not warrant, every concept the writers introduce seem cool. but the execution leaves them tasting under cooked every gosh damn time! The show feels like it peaked at Jail break in my opinion, the show promises and never delivers to the fullest, heck, they never even revealed what was in Rose's chest.
Bash
If you actually cared about that cheat then the show got you. You weren’t supposed to care about this in Steven Universe Future. Because SUF is not about Rose anymore, with Steven understanding that she doesn’t exist at all anymore there’s no reason for him to continue trying to understand who she was especially as he doesn’t want to.
@@mohameddiarra9722
that cheat?
also the point was not about the chest. That was an example. It was hyping up darker/more serious themes and then treating them lightly. It leaves a bad feeling of being cheated all around.
Michaela deSousa
Well obviously I meant “chest” lmao
Mohamed Diarra
You ARE supposed to care about the chest because the writers went out of their way to show Steven trying to open the chest up with that oversized key and hence calling direct attention to it. The fact that the chest wasn't opened right then and there and left for later is what's known in writing as a "promise."
That promise being that eventually this chest will be open and it's contents revealed.
I agree with you that thematically it would make more sense for the chest to be opened in SU and not SUF. The fact that it wasn't opened in SU and was just shown open in the movie means that the only time slot allotted for the fulfillment of the promise was in SUF.
It's not getting "got." It's bad writing. It means there doesn't even need to be a chest there. Just fill the space with another painting of Rose or something and be done with it.
@@Bluedragon094 is not bad writting at all, the fact that steven interacts with it a single time is not a promess of any kind, it could be as Diarra said, irrelevant since steven is their own person and the show is not about rose anymore, or it could be a symbolism of the secrets she took with her to the grave, etc...
The finale itself was very bland and predictable while Future itself was barely mediocre. Some of the dialogue didn't make any sense like the Gems, Greg, and Connie blaming themselves for not being for there for him even they were there for him throughout the entirety Future (and the series in general). The Diamonds (who shouldn't have been redeemed) had their redemption arc off-screen. They changed the consequences of shattering to "redeem" them thus making prior conflicts regarding shattering like with Bismuth and the breaking point pointless.
The entire conflict is fixed with a giant hug just a few minutes after he turned into a beast.
Steven leaving Beach City is somewhat problematic considering he still legally a minor as he is only 16.
There were also many unanswered questions regarding the lore of the Gems and the changed history of Earth due to Gem activity on the planet when the first human civilizations were forming.
Kenny
It made sense for Greg and the Gems to blame themselves (not Connie, Connie didn’t blame herself at literally any moment). The reason why it made sense is that’s even though they were there, they didn’t force him to open up, even though Greg was there, he never gave Steven structure and human repairs he cruelly lacks as shown in Bismuth Casual. The Gems still let him prioritize their feelings before his. They were there but not enough.
The whole point of the Bismuth and Rose issue was that Rose didn’t want Bismuth to use a weapon to shatter *her*. Even if she was a very self-destructive person, Rose wasn’t so keen on the idea of Bismuth destroying her and her family at a time where it was believed that shattering was irreversible.
How should the conflict have ended. A giant hug is the most Steven Universe-like thing they could have pulled off, right. How would you rewrite that?
It’s not impossible for teenagers to get emancipated and live on their own around 16 years old, plus Steven Universe is an alternate version of our world.
Yes there are still hanging questions but if they weren’t answered it’s probably because they weren’t important? And the show is not about these questions? Not getting all the answers is something very real I believe.
That’s my take.
@@mohameddiarra9722
It did not make any sense for Greg and the Gems to blame themselves. They were always asking him if he needed to talk and eventually it became them begging him to open them and each time he refused and pushed them away. You can't force people to open up.
Connie had an entire ridiculous speech stating they need to be there for Steven for once.
Greg himself never gave him structure because he wasn't in his direct care for most his life. When Steven was no longer a toddler, Greg transferred custody of Steven over to the Gems since he understandably believed they could raise a Gem better than him.
Bismuth was smart for taking the war seriously unlike Pink who had no concrete plan to win. Garnet herself in "My Mother and Mine" confirmed they were losing the rebellion with Rose's tactics. Why shouldn't Bismuth want to shatter Pink's evil family that forces Gems into a rigid oppressive caste society that eliminates those deemed defective. Rose herself didn't even view them as family and thought they didn't truly care about her. Bismuth wouldn't have shattered Pink. Bismuth was welcoming to all those who joined their cause. She took the news of Rose's true identity very well.
If it was thought that shattering was permanent why is that Yellow knew shatter Gems could be restored? The writers simply removed the consequences of shattering because they don't have the stomach to kill off any characters and to "redeem" the Diamonds in the laziest way possible by making their atrocities reversible.
Ending the series with a giant hug was stupid. It's worst than "Change Your Mind" as in that episode Steven has to literally fight his way into White's mech.
You mean to tell me that giving Steven a simple hug could have prevented his meltdown?
Why are you ok with a show encouraging mentally-ill minors to wander the country without any proper adult supervision?
Many of these questions ate important. We never even learned what was in Lion's chest or what the Gems are going to do with that one violent Lapis Lazuli that likes to destroy things.
Kenny
But it still made sense because past the fact that they couldn’t force him to talk, it because of them he even had issues in the first place. Greg didn’t give Steven any structure, educational, medical, which caused Steven to discover important stuff about mental health at 16 and made him totally disconnected from his human side. While the Gems put him in dangerous situations over the years and let him prioritize their feelings which caused is trauma and opening up issues. Of course they were all still loving and supporting but neglectful to an extent.
Greg giving a human child to three aliens was a not so great idea in the first place. I know Greg’s parenting was influenced by Steven being a gem and Greg believing that he could only do so much for his son but as stated by Steven himself, he could still have used al the human stuff as well. It wouldn’t have hurt him, at the contrary, it would have gave him more clues about who he could be as a human being.
I did not say Bismuth was self-destructive. I said that in spite of being self-destructive, *Rose* was comprehensively not okay with Bismuth wanting to shatter her. Even if Rose believed she deserved better than her abusive family that doesn’t mean she doesn’t care if they get killed. Rose still loved the Diamonds to an extent, as stated by Rebecca Sugar: Rose idolized everyone around her; which doesn’t negate the fact that she thought they didn’t love her. And if she was ready to escape from them, she probably wasn’t seeking for revenge.
Yellow knew she could assemble pieces of gems and create the cluster experiments. All she had to do was use the fragments of the same gem in the same way and heal their physical form. It doesn’t contradict already established lore about the show except the characters’ beliefs.
Except the only there was to do was to give Steven support. Physical, emotional and mental support from family and friends has been proven, scientifically, to have a very powerful effect on you when you’re going through something. It’s very symbolical and grandiose here, but it’s a way to cram this reality into the show. And we all know how good it feels to hug friends and family. Hugging my girlfriends has always made me feel better and emotional discussions with my boyfriends always calmed my panic attacks. I’m using my own experience to try to show that this is indeed relatable and I invite you to do the same.
@@mohameddiarra9722
It didn't make any sense whatsoever as they were always willing to talk to Steven. The Gems were Steven's primary caretakers. How can Greg give structure, education, medical treatment to a child that is not in his custody?
The Gems didn't even want him involved in dangerous Gem activity at the start of the show. Pearl even taught Connie that she should be the one doing all the fighting because Steven is far to important.
Greg giving his half alien child to the Gems was understandable. Greg didn't even have a home. The Gems in theory should have been well assimilated to human culture since they lived on Earth since the dawn of human civilization.
Rose should not be loving her evil oppressive family that supposedly abused her for thousands of years. Why would Rose idolize people corrupting, shattering, and experimenting on her loved ones?
It does contradict the show as it previously established that shattered Gems couldn't be reassembled at all. Yet they changed it to make Diamond redemption a thing and to prevent permanently killing their characters. What does bring Jasper back serve plot wise. Absolutely nothing. Shattering Gems is now equal to bubbling them now as they can be restored.
Were you not paying attention? They were giving Steven support even before he turned into a beast for 5 minutes. Greg even broke into his estranged parents house to help Steven.
The show made it seem that all Steven needed was a hug not his loved reaching out to him to talk about his problems or going to therapy. We don't even Steven go to a therapist.
Steven wasn't just having a meltdown. He turned into a mindless beast.
Kenny
Well Greg still could. He lived like 10 minutes away lmao. There’s no excuse. It was his responsibility as the only human adult in Steven’s family. Greg still had custody of Steven he only shared it with the Gems. He was still Steven’s father.
Yes they didn’t want him in dangerous missions but they still took him with them. Even though he insisted, he was a child who didn’t know better. No matter what were the Crystal Gems’ intentions it still resulted in trauma. And no technicality or idk can erase that you know.
Greg knew the Gems. So he knew they knew little to nothing about human children. And I never said it wasn’t understandable for him to let him live with them, just that he might a well had lived with all of them and been here all the time, at least put restrictions when it comes to gems missions etc. Now, I’m not saying that the writers did a mistake by writing parents as people, I’m saying that parents as people make mistakes and it’s normal for them to realize it.
Rose should not be loving her evil oppressive family etc. Yeah well, guess what, abuse victims have problems. I know from experience once again that it’s hard to recognize your abuser as someone not to love especially if they are your parent or your sibling etc. That doesn’t mean that it’s right to care for people who are toxic to you. And even then that’s besides the point. I said that to explain why Rose might have not wanted Bismuth to destroy her family but the main reason she was against the Breaking Point was mainly because it was targeting her. (And also Rose didn’t care for the Diamond enough to stay with them, so even if she didn’t want them dead, she didn’t want to be with them).
Could you tell me when it was shown in the show that shattered gems couldn’t be reassembled? It was said, by characters who had never tried to, mainly because only 4 of them can, and these 4, for all we know, never had to until SUF.
The ending to Steven Universe as a whole is well... not the greatest. All the points you made were pretty good, Kross. And I pretty much felt just about the same. As for how it feels to have an ending like this? Disappointing? Sad? Frustrating? I mean, I know it's no Voltron or Star Vs. ending (cause we all know how terrible they were), but while Steven Universe wasn't perfect, I wasn't expecting such a... well, underwhelming end. The lead-up to his breakdown was foreshadowed... decently? I guess? But his sudden corruption was quite too rapid for my tastes. A lot of the potential SU Future had was... well, I can't say much else besides it feeling utterly wasted. Maybe it was the writing staff not having enough time to give the epilogue the attention it deserved. But for whatever reason... I guess I'm just sad it still got a particularly crappy ending.
I ubderstand what you are saying and I agree with your comment but I do believe the steven universe staff had enough time to write this show properly. All the beach episodes, the hiatus', the episodes that we think are important that dont even matter in the end. The writers had plenty of time. There was so much wrong with the production.
I don't know why everyone is calling it corruption when it's just him shape shifting.
@@ihavenonamestilldonthaveon8970 fair point.
Theres also the problem where literally every villain in the intro besides jasper only appeared once, and then pink white diamond wasnt even a villain, so why the hell was she in the intro with the other villains?
@@roboknightt04" the odds are against us"? Part of the opening is so eye rolling. Yeah sure. This whole story should have been reorganized. So much wasted potential. Maybe this show promised so much by accident?
SUF felt like straight Steven torture porn and it really got exploitative to me.
You know, you summarized it perfectly.
Thank you, for telling the honest truth. Because I agree
**oh shit**
Stevanb unvirse is garble
@TheDiamondCupcake [TDC] xd
Episode 13 was garbage, I'm saying this as a person who is very bias towards the show because I grew up with these characters, and they have had a very real emotional impact on my life. For the majority of the show Stevens more questionable actions can be explained by the fact that he is not emotionally sound when they happened. But in this Steven is so laughably emotionally unintelligent that it really hurts the show as a whole. It's completely out of character for him to do this. It also hurts the much better put together following episode as it is directly related. That being said Stevens actions for the majority of the show are very real for someone in a seriously depressed state. That's why(and I have no idea why you didn't talk about this) Stevens meltdown at the end of of episode 18 felt so impactful. While I agree with you saying that the last episodes tried to 1-up each other with how much they could fuck up Steven. The extreme lengths that they go to make the ending feel reasonable. As for the unshattering, I agree, if he couldn't undo it, it would be more impactful. But this is a PG show on cartoon network, you can't have the protagonist murder an established character on screen. All that being said, Steven universe is a show that cares more about it's emotional impact than it's continuity. And it's fans, as you said, are people who can overlook these errors. I give original show a 7/10(excluding most of season 1), the movie an 8/10, and future a 6.5/10. Even if it has objective flaws, I love these characters, I love this show, good video though, I hope your channel gets bigger this is good stuff.
This is pretty much exactly what I would say about the topics you covered. The only part that gave me pause was the explanation for un-shattering Jasper cause her shattering does happen offscreen and I feel like this show has depicted some pretty terrifying things before. But I totally get your reasoning though.
@@Krossxc That fair, it kinda seems like they wanted to do something super dark and serious, but wimped out at the end. It's really good to see people who dislike the show and talk about why, rather than praising it to death, or calling into question the sanity of anyone who enjoys the show.
there are things I disagree with here but...didn't clone wars kill established characters?
I have defended the show many times to and kinda explained why I like it
@@Jdudec367 clone wars isn't cartoon network
I think that what bothered me most about steven universe future was that for almost the entire season it felt suffocating, in a sense. Almost every episode felt like a punch to the gut about how Steven was spiraling deeper into his more negative emotions, all culminating in him getting corrupted naturally from all the stress.
Personally, I think it would've been better if steven left earth all together in a corrupted form that resembled a giant space worm or something. A form that could allow him to escape and be on his own for a little while and relax for a bit, not worrying about anyone on earth and being on his own. Really that's all Steven universe future needed, a little breathing room to process everything that was happening rather than finishing off the series with just hugs and telling him that they love him. Edit: I didn’t mean Steven leaving earth should’ve been the ending. Just him leaving for a little while to sort out some stuff.
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Actually no. Steven, the character, needed anything but more space. He needed support and a therapist an he got it!
@@mohameddiarra9722 A fucking hug doesn't translate into unfaultering, obsessive support and merely saying "I'll video chat my therapist" is lazy as they have to tell us that he's getting help not show us limiting the impact of the entire message the show was trying to communicate to us...
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That might be a better ending than the original ending
The series has already gone with tell don't show. And it is very annoying
Well if that was the ending then it wouldn't be the ending. They'd have to continue after that cause it seems like it's set up for more episodes. In the end I thought it was sweet that he will still keep in touch with his family who raised him through out the first show and I'm happy that he at least has a therapist even if he doesn't meet them in person. He still is getting space by traveling and for a kid show's ending it's not too bad in my opinion.
Thank you for being respectful about your opinion. All your points were articulated really well and I agree with you for the most part.
Well said
We were ROBBED of a BismuthXPearl ending
I feel like White and Steven needed to talk about the attempted shattering. Out of everyone, she actually got to experience his trauma directly AND she was the cause for most of his trauma. Whenever people would say that the diamonds are "redeemed" because of their switch in behavior, I didn't agree. It didn't seem like the diamonds' behavior change was out of sincerity, but rather, out of a desire to appease Steven to get his love and approval (the movie REALLY hammers this in). White especially seemed the least sincere in the movie with her hammy "ALL gems are equal and important" line that even Steven cringed at.
The point is, this would have been a great way to have White approach Steven with greater understanding AND allow for the diamonds start down a redemption path that seemed significantly less forced or fake. Like, instead of her being unable to get into Steven's head (which should have been super traumatic for HER to attempt without hesitation considering he literally tried to kill her last time she did it but whatever) she does get in and much like the Diamond Days finale, finds his consciousness sitting atop his kaiju form clutching his knees and crying. White is able to relate to Steven's fear of himself and feelings of inadequacy and the two are able to talk. This starts to calm Steven which makes him more responsive to Garnet and Connie on the "outside" trying to talk to him. I just think it would have been really nice to have White be the one to reach out and talk to Steven as a nice role reversal of the ending of the original series.
Felt like what triggered Steven to transform was severely underwhelming. Like really underwhelming. Especially since tbey played "everything's fine" for cringe comedy until the last 3 minutes. Felt like what should have triggered it was him actually accidentally hit Pearl, cracking a eye like Volleyball. (Ya know, consequences) the fact he's did what his mother did should have been the last straw.
Not to mention, why a giant worm? What was the point of Steven growing as "Chad " pink?
Jasper shouldn't have been reformed; two appearances in future doesn't equal that I'm gonna care when the last time she played a major role was season 3.
I remember watching a TH-cam video that had an alternate ending too fragments. If jasper came back the he should’ve shattered white permanently
let's not forget... the wormy boi had tIDDIES™
@Turbo Turlet the problem is she comes back to life
The point of the comment was she wasn't important enough as a main character to be justified as coming back
Not only that but as the video said the whole coming back to life thing means there is no stakes
Why would it matter if steven shattered jasper she can just come back
I know right?? Like I thought there might be more backstory on PD/Rose since he has diamond eyes and is starting to repeat his mother's actions, so disappointing...
imo I'd really rather not have Steven's breaking point be physically hurting someone like that, that opens up a shit ton of unfortunate implications there
tbh, it *did* even when Steven killed Jasper
But the overall point of that paragraph, I agree with
*stops listening and just watches the gameplay*
7:46 I think that part of this is because it's a kid's show, though I'm sure that some of its viewers actually are how you described. I think that part of the reason I'm so critical of shows like Steven Universe choosing to build their world and characters like that is because I got spoiled by the Avatar franchise and Gravity Falls.
Disagree on the kids show part.
I got texts from kids that I babysat in the past...
They were mad and confused.
O_O;
@@michaeladesousa2642 that's doesn't mean it's not a kids show. It's still a kids show smh.
@@2mellow35
1. Kids are not stupid.
The point of my comment was that kids could tell something was off. They actually contacted me to ask if they were what was wrong.
They couldn't figure out why they didn't like the ending and thought they were being petty.
After talking through with them we came to the agreement that if we really wanted something different, we can make it ourselves. Just like how Steven and Paradot did with their favorite show.
2. I am a storyteller, character designer, and have been building worlds similar to Steven Universe using professional tactics since I was 12. I had been doing so since I was 5 but I didn't take it seriously until I was 12 and started learning.
7 years later and I can tell you beyond a shadow of a doubt that this is not a bad ending because of the 11 min limit.
It was organization and decision making.
I have run into this problem more times than I would like to admit and feel pretty qualified to point it out.
I loved Blue Bird, but because they knew they didn't have time to flesh her character out, they should have scrapped her for an art book. Sorry, but if they were really running low on time for the final, they should have made cuts to make the end more fleshed out.
3. Just like I have had seven years, ironically so did they! (no I didn't make numbers up, I didn't hear about the show until season 3 was airing)
I looked back on how far I grew in my work over the past 7 years and was a bit taken back at how much I learned.
Looking at where Steven Universe came, I see the same in a lot of aspects. Mainly in maintaining consistent animation, solidifying proportions between characters, and the detail on the characters is more refined.
However, I tackled major issues that I was told to work on, and they didn't with the writing. Rebecca didn't even take part in writing the story for the final episodes!
If Rebecca was going to continue in comics or something I would have been fine, but this was an epilogue series. A series that is designed to wrap up loose ends, not create new characters and leave them unfinished in their arcs.
Steven also seemed to change his "character code" based on the episode.
One moment he is smart, the next he is seemingly making all the wrong choices and the ending didn't imply to children that months had passed. That was something the kiddos I was talking about was confused on.
Either treat PTSD like a cartoon with cartoon logic, or treat it like real life. By mixing both you leave kids wondering what is real and what isn't. Hugging someone with PTSD could work in a cartoon setting. However, in real life that could make things worse and make the person feel trapped and have a panic attack.
This is getting really long and I tried to break up my thoughts to make it easier to read.
Overall I want to hear your thoughts too.
@@michaeladesousa2642
1. I never said kids were dumb
2. A few kids don't speak for all the children out there.
3. Kids probably wouldn't understand the social injustice out there.
I'm a black African American, unsure about sexual preference and mildly autistic. Took me until college to realize how unfair things are socially. I always knew somewhat based off media. All of your other points suck because I wasn't really going into that at all irrelevant. Steven universe future is also pretty scary for kids to process another thing that you have to experience to truly understand. I'm not saying the ending was perfect, it was fine for Steven universe though because it went full circle with how love is the best solution to any problem (of course it's not) still I enjoyed that bit at least.
@@2mellow35
1. for someone who claims to be autistic you use the term dumb, which means unable to speak. This was not what I implied at all.
2. Yet you do? I fail to see the point when a lot of adults and the kids that I have talked to found the exact same issues that you are claiming somehow doesn't "count" because I am not a child?
3. what does this have to do with my statement? I don't understand and want to. Please explain this as I am not trying to tear your argument down. I want to find either common ground or at least know that we can agree to disagree.
Lastly your closing statement.
1. your race doesn't matter in this context. This isn't a slam, but race shouldn't matter when talking about Steven unless you are trying to connect him growing up in a different culture with your home life it doesn't make much sense to me. Mind explaining your point of view more? I want to know if I missed something.
2. Your troubles in finding yourself does matter. This creates a solid counter-argument.
3. I am also Mildly Autistic, with a large dose of A.D.D. and ironically also dealing with college issues. That isn't relevant to my point however and I won't claim it does.
4. Steven hasn't gone to school, was barely able to socialize with others besides Connie, would be unable to find a job without a high school diploma or a GED, and the solution was to send him out 6 months after having a traumatic experience meltdown. That doesn't seem wise or logical to show kids. If they even showed images of Steven going to therapy as a montage it would have been fine by me but they showed Steven sobbing, and then they showed Steven looking fine with Connie planning a trip. THAT was the issue here.
5. I am a storyteller, character designer, and world builder. The things I pointed out were not out of a blind opinion, but out of knowledge of the craft I have developed professionally over 7 years. It is kinda ironic and I didn't realize that the show started airing a few months before I started really learning how character and world design works. It was a coincidence though as I didn't know about the show until season 3 was airing.
6. I want to hear your side of the story, not how your opinion or my opinion is right or wrong because of a 1-up card we have.
What were your honest thoughts about the ending? From a neutral standpoint or a personal one. Don't blame it on anything, just be honest. I wasn't kidding when I said I wanted to understand you.
If you do have autism, which I will assume is true for the sake of what you said, you should know why I am asking as people with this condition tend to not understand things as easily. I miss a lot of details, sometimes obvious ones, and I would like for those to be pointed out.
yessss the continuity is so bad, idk how people are just chill with it! like its trying to tell this big grand story, but wants each episode to be self contained as well. that leads to weird things happening like lapis and peridot just being forgotten until they're needed, or jasper disappearing after Steven leaves for homeworld. I know he said 'don't follow me' but why would she then leave the temple for the rest of the season? it would've made more sense for her to be waiting in his room the whole time, but no. I guess they just forgot :\
KoolKitty100 in the last episode Jasper was in Little Homeworld, why would she stay in the temple she doesn’t very much like Garnet, Amethyst and Pearl
Ashton Volkmann i know she was there in the last ep, but that was like 2-3 months after the second-last ep. and regardless of that, it still makes zero sense for her to just fuck off after steven says “go away” like that’s not her. also, she would put her respect for steven above her hatred for the gems. she did so right before he left for homeworld. it’s just weird to have an entire episode dedicated to a specific character and their arc, only for them to be forgotten directly after. not to mention steven was only on homeworld for like 1-2 hours at most. unlikely she fucked off THAT quickly
Lapis and peridot are overrated, I'd much rather see new gems I haven't before instead.
Your right
Bro I’m mad because we didn’t see what happened WAY BACK FROM SEASON 5 WHEN LAPIS JUST CAME OUT OF NOWHERE SAID HEY TO PERIDOT AND THE NEXT THING IS THAT THEY ARE BUDDY-BUDDY WITH NO TENSION WHATSOEVER, LIKE WTF!???.
(This is my personal opinion about the finale. everyone is free to feel however they want about the ending)
Any goodbye he had with the characters was interjected with humor which really bothered me. It just felt like they weren’t taking it seriously. (I’ll admit I did like how they handled the peridot, lapis, and bismuth goodbye for the most part)
Another problem I had was that Steven was corrupted all at once instead of over a timespan of a few episodes. They never foreshadowed the corruption would happen *in series* until it happened. The only reason the fandom knew about it was because stevens corrupted form was in the opening, but other than that there was no build up. No dialogue clues, no visual hints, nothing until the literal few seconds before Steven gets corrupted when he calls himself a monster. which had less of an impact on the overall conflict of the finale
I’ve seen people say that the hug was anticlimactic or it wouldn’t have worked but I personally liked that part, it was the dialogue I have a problem with. It bothered me how much the characters were relating their problems to his trauma. Pearl saying that she knows what it’s like to hide something from everyone and amethyst saying that loving yourself is possible (which is still an important lesson to teach by itself, but not in this situation) and Greg saying he will give Steven anything he wants, but none of those are the problem. The problem is that Steven never learned how to handle immense amounts of trauma and doesn’t feel safe. They should be trying to calm him down by saying things like “everything’s alright” “it’ll all be ok” (in regards to him feeling like he isn’t useful) “you’ve helped so many people and even though the threat is gone we still need you” “your safe here” and things like that. Just making him feel wanted and safe basically.
And last, they left so many things unanswered. They created characters like bluebird, cactus Steven, the lapis’s, and volleyball, gave them all one episode that resolves nothing regarding their characters, then never spoke of them again. What happened to cactus Steven? Where’s the other Lapis and what happened to the nice one? Where did bluebird go? Will they ever be able to fix volleyballs eye? None of these questions are ever acknowledged let alone answered. Some of these could have been answered with a little montage right at the end of the finale. For example a quick cut to cactus Steven living on the watermelon Steven island in peace with the villagers, or a quick cut to bluebird apologizing to Steven for trying to kill him and genuinely expressing that they want to change, the other lapis coming back and meeting up with the nice one who shows her how to live amongst humans, you get the point. I don’t really know what they were thinking with volleyballs character cause her situation needs an entire arc to really be satisfied (they all do but the others can be somewhat organically solved with a few minutes of screen time).
We missed out on a bunch of fusions and new fusion forms but that’s more of a personal thing I wish they added, and doesn’t affect my overall opinion on the finale
Overall I feel like there was still more story that Rebecca wanted to tell but whoever decides how much time they get per episode and how many episodes there would be royally screwed them over, and the end product ended up rushed and sloppy with more loose ends than if they didn’t even make Future in the first place
I think his Pink form was already a form of corruption as he was very unstable in those Moments (so, "tear in his mind") ... him swelling up was the monster trying to explode from his body the whole time
H o n e y T e a ツ yeah I know I just didn’t know how to describe that monster state and most of the fandom still refers to it as corrupted Steven
Elisa Castro of course she could have handled it better but at the same time she only got 10 minutes per episode while almost every other series on CN has 20-30 minutes per episode, with a set amount of episodes that she could work with unlike most shows that get as many episodes as they need and can always add more, and guaranteed no second season. There were too many characters that needed to have closure in such a short time, Not to mention executives having to approve anything and everything she wants to do with the series or otherwise she can’t do it. I agree with you that they could have done better but Rebecca and the team were under a lot of pressure to make a perfect end to this amazingly well received show and it’s hard to do that normally let alone under these circumstances that CN gave them
I like your idea of the newly introduced characters being resolved with a short montage at the end. Especially for cactus steven, it's now my headcanon that it's living with the watermelon stevens just chilling
Steven's descent into madness kinda reminded me of the Joker movie. I'm still waiting to see pink buff Steven dressed as a clown telling everyone he shattered Jasper in the Sardonix talk joke
“You know what you get Sardonyx? YOU GET WHAT YOU FUCKIN’ DESERVE.”
**shoots sardonyx**
@@Artizap_ Sardonyx: "Jasper just got shattered today because of what you did, and you're laughing, you're laughing."
Steven: "Ahaha, I know! How about another pink outburst, Sardonyx?"
Sardoynx: "I think we've had enough of your outbursts."
Panties Bandito
“WHAT DO YOU GET WHEN YOU CROSS AN TRAUMATIZED ANGSTY TEEN, AND A LESBIAN ROCK AUTHORITY THAT *TREATS HIM LIKE TRASH”*
I'm pretty sure that the only reason everyone was crying and blaming themselves was because blue diamond who's one of the only people who _would_ blame themselves accidentally caused everyone else to feel what she felt like she did in the past
I really hate how Spinel turned out in the final series. After the episode with Shep telling Steven "it looks like you're afraid of your friends drifting away", everyone and their domesticated animal went "yo, maybe he's going to go talk to Spinel about this." We expected him and her to connect. She had the experience of friends leaving you in the dust to whatever degree. She would be one of the few people left for Steven to confide in with at least _one_ of his problems and help him with it.
And they *fucked* it.
As someone who went through a similar thing as she did, I hate that her growth happened off screen and I *hate* that her current mental stability is a meme. I hate that the joke is she's high all the time to stay sane. Thanks a goddamn lot, Steven Universe.
The episode "I am my Monster" wasn't too great. Steven believing he's a monster is an interesting character element but the gems spent most of the episode having a pity party instead of helping the poor guy until Connie bitch-slaps them out of it. Connie and Greg were the only ones who genuinely cared about him in that scene. Wow.
I really think your points are valid and as a fan of the show I can say the last 4 episodes weren't the best.
Remember when yall were getting on my case for the whole vegetarian thing? Remember how I said that it was an acute example of a bigger problem with the show? Well... un-shattering gems... called it.
@Turbo Turlet Sure. I can see where you're coming from. But they never explicitly said or showed that you could revive someone from being shattered. And as the show has told rather than show, that shattering a gem is basically worse than killing someone. You've split apart the gem and they can never reform ever again. Hell, it'd be a giant Deus Ex Machina if all the diamonds could revive Jasper. Oh but they did. With a convenient wave of the magic wand.
@Turbo Turlet They kind of do. Not to say, of course. But to show. They've showed us that gems could become corrupted. They've showed us that yes, Steven will gain the powers that Rose (Pink Diamond) was capable of. Healing gems, I can see that. Healing corrupted gems? He could but not for very long. Reviving from the dead, okay it's a stretch but since Pink saved Lion I'll give it a pass. But to gain these powers just out of nowhere and with no explanation as to why? That's where Steven Universe Future lost me. Not only did he basically become the opposite of his fighting style (being a support and defense character as how the show prior to Future showed), Steven really was only good for protecting others.
The moment he started to be able to almost fly, the moment he became a fighter instead of having to rely on others to do the fighting for him, was where it lost me. And someone can't just get reviving powers without having it need some explanation through showing instead of telling. He literally saves Jasper just because the Diamond's essence and his did so... without any explanation. That's not development. That's just the writers giving Steven powers for the sake of convenience.
@Turbo Turlet What development? What explanation? I've seen all the seasons. All the powers Steven got were being able to hover and float to the ground at a controlled state. He can manipulate his bubble to a certain degree. He could heal others and even cracked gems. He could heal corruption (for a very short time before it reverted the gem). I didn't see any kind of offensive capabilities besides the spiked bubble and throwing his shield around like Captain America's. And look. If you're going to insinuate something about my intelligence, that being your comment ("something you clearly don't understand"), I'm trying to have a civil discussion. I ain't here to mock you or say your opinion is wrong. I have yet to suggest any kind of reason about you being wrong because I don't stoop to that level. But clearly, you think my opinion is lacking and therefore, is obsolete.
I think the unshattering gems makes sense with the show's lore cause the gems are made from the diamonds' powers to begin with. The problem is that it was never properly explained in the show.
We see towards the end of the original series the diamonds' extraction chambers, with camera shots focusing on like it draining their sweat or whatever, but the purpose is never actually explained. Rebecca Sugar explained that in like a reddit ama or something like that certain gems are made from a certain combination of the diamonds' powers, so you can assume that the extraction chambers gets the diamond powers into a liquid form that is placed in injectors in order to make gems.
Thus using all the diamonds' powers together should fix a shattered gem since that's what formed it in the first place. The issue I have is that this info had to come from reddit instead of the show, so it just seems crazy to see that shattering can just be undone like it's nothing unless you happened to see the reddit ama. Bad writing there for sure since the actual show lacks any set-up for this being possible at all.
Now what seems completely nonsensical to me is that yellow diamond can just unshatter gems on her own? Like, what??? Why did they just make her so overpowered compared to the other diamonds? Why show us that all 4 diamonds' powers were needed to reverse Steven shattering Jasper, but then literally the next episode show that Yellow Diamond can just do that on her own?
@@TheLordofSpirits That's why I'm so confused and frustrated. The show didn't have the time to show this on-screen. And the fact that it was "possibly" explained elsewhere is why I get so frustrated when corners are cut during the writing process.
I was so excited after Steven ran away from Homeworld back to earth. Then when he was going through little Homeworld and slowly breaking down, I was like "Oh something good is on it's way?" and theeen... I was so disappointed. I have so many issues with it but I can't even muster the energy for complaining. I think the thing I hate most is the things I thought were set ups. He un-shattered Jasper. Was that an omen? Would Steven/his gem get shattered? Nope. Yellow can alter the form of any gem. Would that play into the future? Would she be able to alter Steven's corrupted form while he was still corrupted? Nope. White can let any gem posses her. Would Steven, in a corrupted, mad state, take over her body and use her powers for destruction..? N...nope... Just a group hug and then him ditching Beach City. An epilogue should answer questions and conclude the story, but this one left more loose ends than the original series.
Let me tell you one thing; as someone who studies psychology; what Steven went through this season should have come so much earlier.
I honestly found this season dumb. The characters in this series are portraid to be super empathic, but apparently in this season nobody noticed how the worst liar in exitence was suffering alone, nice...
Secondly, the diamonds are the most wasteful thing in this show. Steven is loosing control over his diamond powers since they are new to him, yet the thousand year old White, Blue, and Yellow didn't do anything useful to help, even though this should be their department.
Secondly, you can hate Pink all you want, but at least she never killed anyone. Steven shattering someone and everyone just glossing over that fact makes me sick.
Not really if you consider killing someone isnt permanent at all. How much weight is there if you know you can just respawn them. What pink did was essentially torture which is arguably worse than shattering a gem that can literally be undine in like two minutes
Steven still murdered someone in cold blood. You cannot just ignore something like that.
@@tayojones9460 he didn't murder anyone though, it was involuntary manslaughter, I mean yeah he attempted murder but still
Steven and I guess Garnet were the only ones I'd say that were super empathetic I'd say everyone else was usually too busy dealing with their own problems to really see anyone elses
@@mariopokemon955 Not very involuntary, but I guess it could be something like temporary insanity? He definitely seemed drunk off his own power, but he did snap out of it like immediately as he realized
I legit had to laugh at the term "fire hydrant tears".
Overall doe, great analysis for a meh finale.
I was already turned off from SUF since the end of SU, when the crystal gems were reduced to side characters and the diamonds were considered more important. I find it extremely gross that Garnet, Pearl, and Amethyst, the three people who have protected and loved Steven for years, are now rendered completely powerless without him. They were his real family, and they didn't deserve to be abandoned for the diamonds. A while after SU ended, Rebecca Sugar released a book about the story of SU, and the cover of the book featured Steven and the diamonds. I found that very upsetting, because it goes to show how even Rebecca Sugar sees the diamonds as more important than the crystal gems. And SUF did the same exact thing.
They really just gave us a whole Spinel movie and then robbed us of actually seeing how she improved
I felt like they could have done more with the villains. I thought they'd all come together and attack in the final episode along with corrupted Steven. I also thought off color white diamond would be a bigger threat. Like her behavior near the end of change your mind we saw she had anger and rage in her before she became off color. I thought her appearance in future would be mindless rage and finding fault in everything.... Like out of control but no it was just Steven attempting to make her shatter herself.
Not gonna lie I cried when the last episode came out, but now that I have had time to breathe and think.. Monster Steven was kinda resolved VERY quickly..
I get they had a time-crunch and everything but same time kinda makes the "Final battle" kinda pointless if it's over in 4-5 minutes with no consequence.
I have a mental disorder, ADHD. Sure, I have outbursts of anger and tears, but... I don't laugh like a phsycopath and call myself a monster or say I'm fine. I genuinely try to look for help, and that's why future almost hurts me in a way. It says I'm a crazy maniac who needs a hug in order to feel better.
The ending wasnt great, it didnt draw me the same as the OG Steven universe finale. There was really no buildup and everything felt rushed. The fact that the series as a whole decided to only focus on steven, only giving him any sort of depth. Everyone else was just there to move the story forward.
Compared to the ending to the OG where everything felt like an accumulation of different story treads, like seeing obsidian for the first time, or finally answering the question that rose is dead and steven is his own person.
It wouldve been a better finale if they built up some threads like different fusions working together, or jasper being the one to save steven (which is what I thought was going to happen).
It's an epilogue series about tying up loose ends and where that leaves Steven and his traumatic childhood. The OG show ended the way it did because it was a whole other show.
@@JEEVES635 whole other plot maybe, but not another show. Same continuity, and just because it's an epilogue doesnt excuse lazy writing, if that's the case just dont make it at all.
@@yderga8707 It is literally another show with a different theme and message. It's not bad for not adhering to your hopes and expectations.
@@JEEVES635 yes, a different direction, lol. But I wouldnt consider that correct. I mean the aftermath of the same characters story is still the same story. Same characters, same writer, same town, different time. Even the story itself is directly connected to what happened in the original. Sure it wasnt as "active", however seeing through to all the story threads you set isnt an exclusive thing. It's sort of the way writing should always be. Whether you're writing a love story or a horror story. But rebeccas team set up multiple threads that led nowhere, and had exposition for steven that was solved lazily and quickly. The one thing that made the show ( or both shows if you want to be technical ) as good as it was, was the attention to realism to mental health and emotions. Which again she did well for this series, but at the last 2 episodes it trailed off into a juvenile mess, it almost felt like watching a spanish soap opera.
When I say I like the OG ending better, I'm not talking about the fighting or action scenes, I just think they made a much better constructed ending When you spend 18 episodes making steven more and more of an emotionally broken mess, just to spend 5 minutes of the characters idiotically wallow in self pity, then 2 minutes to end pretty much all of his issues with a single hug, it's not realistic. And realistic portrayal of emotional trauma was the strongest thing it had going for it.
@@yderga8707 "end all of his issues with a hug"
What show did you watch?
Why is he leaving if all of his issues are ended? All they did was calm him down and let him know he has people there for him.
After seeing the whole video from start to finish and taking my own opinions from the show, I do agree with this all the way through.
Steven Universe: Future's finale made me want to thrust my head into a wall seeing how confusing the pace was. Episode 11 really did bring out the potential and actually establishes what has been going on with Steven and the amount of stress that he has. However, in other episodes, it is like they dropped it.
(SPOILER WARNING and A long read.)
The finale itself just really rubbed me the wrong way. I never though I would be so pissed off on my first initial watching of the 4 episodes.
Episode 17:
Episode 17 was just a run of the mill filler episode. It was like the writers tried to give the Diamonds one last push to connect with Steven within a short amount of time. I do agree that the diamonds should have not been redeemable (Hence why I had a lot of problems with the Change Your Mind arc, because it made no sense AT ALL). I understand they were trying to make us feel bad for the diamonds and redeem them. The new powers or rather the inverse of their old powers just made me ask why, how and when. If a viewer has to ask those core questions, then it felt out of place. Blue was the only one that made sense, because her new power in terms of sorrow into joy makes the most sense considering her actions in Change Your Mind. However, the episode as a whole was unnecessary.
Episode 18:
This episode just gave me a meh. I mean I felt like they tried to play it safe. However, when they were asking Steven what was the matter and being actually worried for him, he actually showed delusion and saying that everything is fine. I really liked it! The execution was good enough. Nothing seemed out of the ordinary. It displayed how someone with a mental issue of that caliber can go through. However, when he just randomly got mad at the main gems and Greg, I legit went on TH-cam on my phone, pulled up a Gordon Ramsey clip and played it with him saying "Fucking Dickhead". It made no sense, and the episode felt out of place. Like it shouldn't be there. I liked when Steven went on the tangent after faking his happiness and it felt genuine seeing the transition. However, he should have transitioned into a state of making things his fault or making it more on him. Like when he did after that sudden out burst of rage. Overall, this episode was fine. Could have been better through that whole thing Steven went on, but it was fine.
Episode 19;
This....This. I legit went on a huge rant about this episode. I had so many questions. The pacing was just breakneck speed. I legit had mental whiplash. I have several questions:
1) How the hell did Steven even become a crystal version of Godzilla through the diamond in him? Is that like a sudden thing he can do now? [Side Note: I understand it is a metaphor for the monster inside of us when we go through a bad mental illness or through depression and what not, but it totally killed the vibe]
2) As much as I do like Connie and how necessary she is for the show in terms of being Steven's connection to his humanity, why was she just interjected? They just made her out to be like this keep everyone safe person only to come back and give an uplifting speech, which virtually denounces what the main series did throughout during its run with Connie leveling Steven and keeping him human with Greg doing the same. Which also leads to my next question and the part to where I wanted to go outside and scream out of sheer disappoint, annoyance, and genuine anger.
3)Why....Just W H Y did they have to start one uping each other, but the most important part as you highlighted in the video as well. The Diamonds crying. I felt no empathy for any character there. I didn't feel bad for Steven, I didn't feel bad for the gems, I know in hell I didn't feel bad for the diamonds. The only person I felt a little bad for was Greg going back to episode 15. While Steven was a dickhead in that episode, I felt a genuine connection before Steven randomly got mad, and it made sense. However, they just made Greg say something to transition into the Diamonds crying and the White Diamond and Spinel exchange made me want to cringe at how bad it was. It really took away the intensity and seriousness of the situation knocking it down from a genuine goal of helping Steven feel better about himself to "Funny haha random and pointless exchange".
The hug annoyed me, however considering the message they were going for I overlooked it despite how meh it felt after all of that.
Episode 20:
The episode was nice. My only problem is the ending of the episode that put a sour taste in my mouth. When Steven was driving off, it felt right, it felt wholesome like a nice bow. However, they just took that feeling like a rug and slipped it from under my feet when Steven drove backwards and stopped in front of them saying "Why don't you feel bad for me?!" to the Crystal Gems. My hand went straight through my face. They had it, it was going so well. Saying good bye to everyone. Having a small heart to heart with Greg that actually made me smile. Hearing he is getting mental help (Granted I would have loved to see maybe a snippet of that time. I can overlook it). Everything as going great. That ending just took the feeling away when he drove off the first time and went back in a quick fashion. They should have done the crying bit with the gems by having them feel bad either before he got in the car during that moment and time OR ultimately before he drove off with either Steven or one of the gems speaking up about it. When he went in reverse in a very fast manner, it was like huh what is happening and ended with me saying ugh and turning off the tv as soon as it was ended being glad the show as over.
Overall, the finale just made me feel angry than happy. The sheer amount of bad decisions, placements in plot, and the amount of questions I had during the airing. It felt like a gigantic headache. I'd give the finale a 2/10. The series overall just either made me not care, made me laugh and feel something and actually feel bad for Steven (Good on you Episode 11. You didn't suck and transcended into a very good highlight of the series), or it just made me feel angry like 3/4 episodes here. I'll agree with your rating and give it a 3.5 out of 10. Episode 11 was a HARD carry.
@@ryuko2952 No. In fact, I watched the show and liked some episodes, and I hated some episodes. Episode 11 was the best one out of the whole epilouge, because it made sense when Steven and Peridot were fucking around with Steven's power to manipulate what is on the tv screen. Then as things progresses it turned into a heart warming scene at the end when Peridot felt concerned for Steven seeing his dream of her leaving him behind.
That was nice. Another one could be said for Episode 15 as well. While the ending I dreaded, the majority of the episode was quite nice. Granted it did rub me a little the wrong way on how Steven acted like a prick to Greg after still going through his stuff. The first two times I understood, but after that I was like why?
The finale as a whole was just half baked and made zero sense in terms of placement. I understand that yea its just a kids show, but I still watched it with a critical mindset catching the good, the meh, and the bad. However the bad outweighed the good in this series after the Little Homeschool arc. Its over now, but I said all of that to further give critical and constructive feedback out of love for the show. If I wanted to hate watch it, I would have disregarded Episode 11, 15, the little homeschool arc, hell even that exchange in Episode 20 between Greg and Steven. That exchange felt real.
TL:DR: No, I didn't hate watch the show. I criticize SU:F out of love for the show, because I wanted it to improve.
@Shadow Crescent Ever since the Diamond Authority got redeemed, I have been pretty skeptical about the path Steven Universe has been going; however, after giving it more thought I realized that Steven Universe threw away all of the potential it had, even before the redemption of the Diamonds. The show dealt with so many interesting themes, but the writers handled these themes really carelessly, much more than I originally perceived. Steven Universe was an awful show from the very beginning and the terrible implications and irritating hiatuses only made us realize that after the fact.
@@ShadowCrescent It still feels like you hate watched it.
@@briangriffin9314 If you think that, then its fine. I feel like I didn't, however I understand where you are coming from.
But we can agree to disagree.
Honestly it was relatable to see Steven acting like that but the ending wasn't that good because love simply doesn't save everything.
Was I supposed to cry during the last episode? No I didn't
It would've been nice to see the show from other perspectives as well, then it would have more depth
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agreed, 'fragments' and 'homeworld bound' were great build ups to something, but the ending didn't give a satisfying payoff.... It felt as though there was an episode missing..idk
@@cynical_chai8922 Fragments lead to Steven having an epiphany about how he's too out of control and needs to sort himself out. This is why Steven went to the Diamonds since he needed help with his DIAMOND powers. The episode "Homeworld Bound" clearly illustrates how Homeworld's society has drastically changed, as there is now a democracy. It also shows how the Diamond's are actively trying to change. At the end of Homeworld Bound, Steven discovers that there's something seriously wrong with him so he quickly leaves Homeworld in order to protect the Diamond's from his wrath. In "Everything's fine", it's very evident that Steven is going through psychological issues, to which he begins to create a mental construct on how he's fine and that he's good ol Steven Universe, the good person who helps everyone without causing problems. These episodes are great at linking to each other and building upon each other, I really don't understand what more you want. At the end of this episode, Steven is confronted about how he's been acting very out of character, to which he responds to the fact that he believes he's a monster, ultimately resorting to him turning into one, which leads into the next episode. I understand your point but at the same time, it makes no sense.
Homie Cactus I agree with everything you just said.
@@blackboy6414 Maybe I worded it wrong, but I agree to what you're saying. I think that those three were great episodes but there was a clear tone shift from those to "I Am My Monster" Like it went from Steven having deep rooted issues that wasn't really being solved and its but pretty bad, to oh yeah lets hug and everything is better now and a one-off line about having a therapist. Idk, I wanted more acknowledgement of his issues with his family/friends and having the solution more drawn out, since it's not that simple. But yeah I would have to say fragments and homeworld bound are my favorite Future episodes +The volleyball episode.
The thing I cannot forgive is how they eliminated the weight of shattering and death. If Steven could do that then it was as if nothing happened. Really annoying to take that away. After they put all this shit on shattering and showing mercy and stuff.
But the thing about their "thematic messages" is that they're written poorly. There have been better portrayals of mental illness in shows like Avatar: Last Air Bender or Samurai Jack, to name a couple, and it doesn't infringe on the characters or story overall. If you're gonna write with the idea of making a message about a important and sensitive themes like love, depression, anxiety, ptsd, etc. it's best to know how to write characters and a story that can carry those messages effectively. Steven Universe always, to me at least, felt like they had these themes for the sake of just wanting to have them, but then write themselves in a corner, or be inconsistent when those themes are in the forefront(Garnet and fusion being a theme for love, now losing all real meaning behind it because of that scene in season 5 where Steven fuses with everyone just for fanservice; including fusion with Greg).
The PTSD theme throughout Future really came off kind of...trying too hard....emotionally manipulative? It just felt to me, there were too many episodes that veered away from what the plot going, that didn't contribute at all to the overall endgame of the season. Having Steven and Lapis go to another planet to make other Lapis stop destroying it, most of the Little Homeworld episodes, anything that didn't have to do with Steven's degrading mental state was a waste of an episode that could've been used to flesh that out more.
Once we got close to the finale everything felt rushed; had a lot of characters that weren't used properly and could've enhanced the plot more. The episode with Peridot was great, she saw how Steven truly felt and reacted to it properly; but how come we couldn't have more episodes like that with other prominent characters? While Steven was out running from one character to another in hopes of getting some help, he didn't once run back to Peridot, Lapis, Bismuth, Conny or Greg(even though they had that road trip, but it just made Greg look like a cuck who'll let his son disrespect him and not get angry at the fact he almost killed him; kind of ruin his character in the process too) to ask them for advice, but instead seeked out the Diamonds; really now, the source of his ptsd in the first place? Hell, he even went to Jasper too, but not Lapis?
The show and it's pacing, consistency, messages, continuity is everywhere. The finale came off manipulative as hell, making everyone pour their hearts out, hoping to get a cry out of the viewers and it honestly didn't feel earned.
wasn't emotionally manipulative the lapis episodes and others were important to see what the world is like after the diamond regime of before ended. steven's ptsd I felt was handled well
steven did get time with each character though you know right? also greg kinda...messed up with what he was comparing really
I feel this show is what people thought Adventure Time was turning into
I literally felt nothing when we got to the final 10 minutes of the series. It didn't move me or make me cry, I was just disappointing and this put into words some of the things I couldn't quite place but not all of them.
I only thought, "Oh... that's it... okay." and i'm the type of person that cries at the slightest really sad things. I love ATLA and I get a little teary pretty much every time I watch the last 4 episodes because it actually built up to its ending effectively and everyone's story is complete and at the same time they're moving on to better lives. You feel happy for them but with this I was just going over all of the unanswered questions. Shows are allowed to have unanswered questions but when not answering those questions takes away from the finale its a problem.
Me watching the show: OMG THAT CHARACTER DIED
5 seconds later
the character isn't ded anymore
Me: wtf welp dying is no longer a problem
But very good video. I agree with the issues presented in future.
It's getting tedious with each episode being "oh how can we make him more angry and randomly pink" to the point it gets comical in how much they make him suffer.
i really felt like "everything's fine" took it too far with the dark humor, and that the majority of it could have been skipped. idk, like, thru most of the episode i was just sitting kinda bored and thinking "k, let me know when he fully goes apeshit"
svnrosie agreed. Jarring tone wise
@svnrosie I don’t know how many times I yelled get to the point during Everything’s fine. The episode was good for a moment but then the pacing made it feel eternal.
I would have liked a story line depicting a time where when you were shattered, you stayed shattered. No amount of putting back together could have helped. Making The threats from the diamonds that more intimidating, forcing gems to cooperate. When Pink diamond was “born” there was now a chance to reassemble shattered gems, tension probably left the air and she was a revered by the other gems. When she herself was shattered, the threat was reinstated, this adding the fear of shattering into the gems minds. It would’ve been cool to see Yellow diamond have a bottle, similar to Stevens diamond essence bottles in his bathroom, containing rose’s tear’s (or his spit) to reassemble broken gems from the experiments. Once she’s places the fragments back together she would pour a little bit of that onto the broken gem, healing the cracks and bringing them back to life. I’m okay with unshattering because it was hinted throughout the whole show, if you can heal a crack then a broken gem would be okay, but ONLY through Steven. Take him out of the equation and shattering becomes death. To introduce the concept that any gem put back together by ANYONE takes away that tension.
I've overrated this show a lot, and I've become a "fan" of SU since I started watching it a year ago or so, but I totally agree with you with you with some things (I still think SU is a great show tho) and I really hate when the fanbase of a show I love starts hating over "negative" critics, I just can't with you guys.
By the way, Hollow Knight is a MAGNIFIC game and I'll support everyone who plays it.
I didn't like the ending. Honestly it's really put me in emotional turmoil and I'm writing this in a very heated and distraught state but I need to express myself. I hated this ending, it was really upsetting. I didn't like the fact that Steven never went to therapy, nor did anyone- even CONNIE and her MOTHER who is a D O C T O R- ever mention it to him. I'm just upset that they ended it with "Well he spent a few months with his family coddling him and now he's moving out! Guess that solved all our problems." Steven has went through hell and back, I don't care if for those past few months he felt better- shit like this doesn't go away when you just... Leave it like that. This still isn't healthy. None of this is healthy. I just, man, I'm just really really upset dude.
Steven actually did, he brought it up, saying he could do video calls with his therapist when he leaves.
i totally feel you man, i am too still somewhat shaken. yesterday i even played the voltron finale right after to try and convince myself that the su finale wasn't that bad ;-;
@@Spiralr I saw someone say that... Honestly that doesn't make it any better? For a show all about like
Love, hope, helping others and yourself and what have you
You'd think they'd put more emphasis on- actual therapy. But no, it was mentioned in passing, so easy to miss. I still feel the same I guess, just more disappointed?
NoziNuclear I see where you’re coming from and I feel like they should’ve shown that. I really don’t think they should’ve ordered 20 episodes, or make them 11 minutes. If they had more time, I think it would’ve been great to show the process instead of just skipping past it. Sure, they say it happened a few months after, but they should’ve showed it. It would actually be great for their mental health moral, but in this state for me, it’s passable. It’s not good, but it’s not bad either.
@@Spiralr Honestly I feel like a lot of parts in this show could've been cut out or not made a thing in general- they could've had more time but there was just so much they wanted to cram in that they didn't... I didn't actually love the show to begin with, but I didn't completely hate it either, but this ending just kinda... Oof, y'know?
My biggest complaint with this so called “exclusive limited series” is that cartoon network marketed it like it was going to solve all the unanswered questions, like... y’know... *_L I O N ‘ S C H E S T_* but it didn’t. In fact, It gave MORE questions! The Rose Buds episode did a pretty good job of solving what happened with them, but we only got to see the zoomans like literally 10 seconds. Also, the Pink Pearl eye thing. Ok, so Pink Diamond did it. Why? How? By accident or on purpose? And it just kept going on and on, like Ruby and Eyeball forming Bluebird. Also, Cactus Steven, Bluebird, Pink Pearl, The other two lapizes, the broadcast issue, Steven’s grandparents, and more were in episodes and did nothing for the plot, it just left me icked that gregs parents were mentioned but we didn’t get the chance to meet them. And all of these things seemed like they were gonna be coming back, but no. In fact, right after the Cactus Steven episode, where THEIR HOUSE gets destroyed, Steven can finally spill his feeling out. But no! 2 new episodes of mostly filler and Bismuth has a crush on Pearl? Again, never adressed or shown again
Bismuth's crush on Pearl was so out of left field, literally came out of nowhere. At first I thought that Bismuth was just trying to get out of her shell and talk to humans for Pearl's sake as a friend, didn't even realize initially that it was because she had a crush on her.
>By accident or on purpose?
The way P.Pearl described it, it's definitely an accident. Like, PD didn't mean to hurt her, her tantrum unleashed power and Pearl was caught in it.
I stopped expecting much from this show long ago because, as more it was progressing to the end, the more it began to decide that it is fully for kids/young teenagers and that no complex and cohesive plot is required.
As mentioned somewhere before, this is the result of the "writing games" which put perspective-wise chaos.
For me at least, Steven universe and future have plenty of very good parts that make the show enjoyable, but the progression for the show to tell a story is less than pleasant to go through. What’s the saying for it? “Less than the sum of its parts”?
It seemed like a lot of wasted potential. That’s what happens when you make a show so big into a mini series though. I mean they hype up the new lapis’s and bluebird just to have them appear one episode not have their story be resolved and then forget about them.
I swear, this show should've died and been declared a failure years ago. The only reason it's still thought of as a revolutionary ground breaking cartoon is because it still has such an obnoxiously large and overly dedicated fanbase that's easily swayed by the most feeble LGBT representation and keeps holding onto it while making over complex theories over the most mundane things. They do everything in their power out of some sort of desperation to make it seem like Steven Universe is this complex and timeless modern classic (Or this generation's Avatar as IGN laughably put it) when in reality Rebecca Sugar didn't think a single thing through. It _did_ have some really good ideas and it _is_ something different and special that we’ve never seen before, but the way it was executed is beyond terrible.
Freaking facts dude
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@@Artizap_ this one is pretty close to a fact
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Yes, some parts are true, but this comment is pretty much an attack comment.
@@Artizap_ well its still an opinion, at least he is not attacking someone in particular
In Regular Show, Mordecai and Rigby, two good for nothing slackers grow into better people. In Adventure Time, Finn and Jake bring closure for everyone, they care about and bring back the human race. But in here Steven becomes far worse than when he was a kid, an idiot who screwed thing up when there are so many supporters around him to help him overcome his problem.
Steven Universe Future destroys the whole franchise like Star Vs The Force of Evil. Like SFTOV, there are so much rich lore to discover like where the Gems come from or How Steven truly thinks of Pink.
I always wished Steven Universe Future could give an epic battle against whoever created the Gems but no!! Sugar just needed to downgrade a lovable, strong and noble Steven into an overgrowth child who cannot handle his puberty. Steven in Steven Universe and the Movie is a completely different Steven from this Steven in Future.
It's not like that
The thing is that as a kid, fearing to not be an hero like he should've been, Steven repressed all his negative feeling for the greater good
in Future's first episode he was pretty much like our usual sweet Steven, but as his powers (so negative emotions) came out of him, he started to change
Someone who hasn't deal with trauma and mental ilness, expecially at a very young age, turns exactly like this
Also, aside from Connie, the gems just worried about him since Fragments, and they weren't even the best into doing it
they completely forgot what they saw in Prickly Pair, glossing over it
It was already too late when they tried to talk to Steven, because he was deep down in his mental ilness, and as I said, many times when you're like this, you don't listen to others as you're englufed in a self-destructive spiral
There were flaws sure, but it was accurate, relatable to many, and Steven is also still veryyyy young, so he makes mistakes
I can agree that there was much more to explore, but Steven being helped was perfect as the final challenge, and fitting for SU
Xearl Martian Finn is as young as Steven and faced far more terror than Steven and he is more open to his friend to help him to overcome his mental turmoil. If you look at the first few episodes of Steven Universe, Steven is actually very mature and brave not unlike in this future series
I mean Steven Universe had never *been* about "who created the Gems", like they never even acted like that's where they were going
@@tomxaider2058 Finn isn't all that realistic a character, though
like relatable, but not *realistic*
and that's fine tbh
Pink was the weakest diamond, yet Steven wormy is stronger than them
Was never said that she was the weakest dimond. The most inexperienced dimond, yes.
Pink was never the weakest, just the least mature
Well to be fair, back in s5, Pink Steven was stronger than White and White is stronger than both Yellow and Blue. So we already knew about this way before Godzilla Steven
To be honest, SU is an important show to me but everything that happens, especially in Future, feels so forced to me. Nothing feels earned, it feels like we're missing most of the pieces of the puzzle. For example, Lapis's whole personality changes in Future and it doesn't feel satisfying like it would be if it was a gradual process of changing. I think the main problem is that the original SU needed one more season, the events of Diamond Days should have been spread out over a sixth season instead of like, four episodes. I know the show's length had to be cut because of the Rupphire wedding, so this show was a victim of circumstance in the end, in my opinion.
Blue's new power seems...bad. Like, lets just take a look at Spinel: she suffers from 6000 years of trauma and this all gets glossed over by...making her high? im sorry, but thats not a good message. i get that Blue is making her feel happy, but Spinel just seems brainwashed the entire episodes and i feel like she could've helped Steven a lot more if she herself couldve talked with someone about her problems (since she immediately left with the diamonds in the movie). Idk, maybe its a good thing shes back to her old self now, but with all the things shes been through i dont think its that easy to overcome. unless of course you have blue clouds .-. which ignores her problems
idk i hope this made sense, i just really dislike Blue's new power.
@Trent Scott well i just hope she still has someone to talk to about her problems
@Trent Scott yea :/ thats what i meant with her seeming brainwashed, like she wasn't even really given a choice considering how the diamonds are...but maybe off screen on rare occasions she can talk to Blue or Yellow or even White about her problems.
Yeah.I dont really like how they handle her character in SUF. I was expecting she and Steven to have a heart to heart moment, but all we got is Steven's condition getting worse while Spinel bein silly and high. Perhaps the crewniverse just wanted to make Steven suffer enough to get corrupted.
I really don't think they want us to believe that she is healed and let go of all her issues. Yellow has literally the power to alter a gem's physical form, it would've made sense for her to first try that with giving Spinel a new form and yet, it apparently didn't happen. There really seems to be a message behind her still having this form, a message saying : "she's happier, but her scars are still there, don't believe they're not. She still has issues."
She is just trying to deal with it, even though she doesn' t really do it the right way. Since she doesn't seem to have made any friends on Homeworld (which raises an interesting point : she still isn't comfortable with opening herself to those she doesn't know), I guess that once she'll be able to, she will be able to deal with her issues a better way, too, by talking things out with a real friend.
Also, even if she did get help, she would've still not been able to help Steven correctly because she is lacking from the most basic social skills. Nothing in the movie told us that she learned to understand people better, she only learned that she had to work on herself, which she is currently doing.
She really tried to help Steven, but he's so good at hiding the real problem that even those he knows best didn't realize how much he was suffering. Of course Spinel wouldn't be able to help more and actually, she already helped a lot considering the dork she is. Her singing Change was a really nice detail. Unfortunately, no one could help Steven at this point.
Also, I don't feel like she came back to her old self, she's just silly, over-the-top and a bit clingy because those are traits she's never lost to start with. She was silly and over-the-top even as a villain, and her clinginess clearly is one of the things she realized she had to work on.
If we take all that away, she has a lot of her "post-abandonment" self. She has a dark humor, she is pretty mocking, she is self-aware, and if she truly doesn't have friends other than the Diamonds, she is even an introvert (not with those she trusts, of course). Despite what everyone says, I think they did a great job at developing her character while still keeping her the way she was in the movie.
@@jesuis6068 alright yea, your points make sense. i probably just reacted this way cause i've expected...more, out of the finale, i guess. i still think some things about Blue's new power seem fishy, but thanks for leaving that comment (also sorry for the bad English)
It's just my opinion and nobody else's. But when everybody started blaming each other, my interest in what was happening on screen dropped to zero. Everything after that just made me roll my eyes. By the time they all started crying, the show was playing in the background on my computer. I love this show and will look back on it fondly one day, but man, I have never been so underwelmed by a series finale in my life.
I appreciate that you say that some people appreciate more thematic messages over air tight writing and thats why theyre able to "not think about it". Alot of people in critic communities act like some people are stupid for enjoying things that dont make much logical sense so i appreciate the acknowledgement. Also good video
Tbh this season could've benefited from being 26 episodes like seasons 2-5. Even if they changed NOTHING about the first 19 episodes, they could've had episodes 20-25 show what his path to recovery was like, and have the episode "The Future" be episode 26 instead of episode 20. The bonus to an extra 6 episodes would be some more time to tie up more loose ends and answer a couple of mysteries the show still has, such as whatever was inside that chest in Lion's mane.
I feel like the time skip should have been longer. Like way longer. The whole theme of Future was that everyone in Steven’s life was moving on and they were some people that he could not help, like Bluebird and that one Lapis. A longer time skip would let us see how the gems and everyone in Beach City would have been able to grow THANKS to Steven, but not having to rely on him. We all know that Steven is just gonna slip into his old ways in some other town sticking his nose into people’s problems, imagine if we had a longer time skip where we see an older Steven encounter a kid having a hard time. Instead of stepping in to fix ALL of their issues, he just gives the kid a hint and moves on, letting the kid figure out their own life. We don’t even have to know what Steven choose to do with his life, as long as it isn’t him being everyone’s life coach.
People changing was what PD loved about humans in the first place, but Steven was driven mad by feeling the need to witness ALL of that change. Taking a step back from such micromanaging would do him some good and having a long time skip showing the other characters growing without his presence would have been great because the Steven only POV has always been a point of contention in this series.
Really liked that connection of how PD loved that humans could change, and how Steven had to be there to see all change in people's lives and wanted to feel like he helped them change. Didn't think of that
Maybe youve already heard this argument, but I like the thing with steven fixing jasper because it leads into his breakdown in the sense that he's able to just fix things he feels responsible for. Im not going to argue its great writing, but at least to me it added to that scene. What would it do to a person if they found out even murder had no real consequence?
killing jasper flat out would follow the idea of "somethings can't be fixed" which is a good moral, but its never really been a message of this series. But at that point you are either arguing:
do you want steven to face real real consequences for the first time. How will it traumatize him further.
or
Should he be able to get away with this too. How will he react to unkilling someone?(not counting lars)
I don't like yellow fixing gems. it wouldn't be hard to change the scene to have her need steven bottled juice instead of zapping the gems together. her power of changing rather than spoofing is fine for me, but fixing the shattered gems is kind of wack.
Whites also makes sense, but I just don't see the practicality of it. i never understood her original power to be honest
I had such big hype for the finale as a long-time fan. Was seriously let down by it all and it felt worse for me than the GoT finale (mainly because my emotional attachment and expectations were way higher). Quick list of things that bothered me:
1. Rose's arc was never really finished. How does Steven feel about her now? White can say she's the root of it all, but to Steven Rose is the root.
2. The episodes leading up to the finale were kind of dark and serious, so the finale feels like a complete 180 in tone. It's played for laughs and it drove me INSANE.
3. Worm Steven got resolved too fast. And what the hell was he in the end? Kinda corruption kinda not?
4. What the fuck was in the chest
5. I hate Connie and how she's "better than everyone else". Unpopular opinion: she was way more of a likeable character before she picked up sword fighting. I still haven't forgiven her for getting mad that Steven didn't take her with him when he literally got kidnapped.
6. The build-up to nothingness. Finale felt like a wet fart. Should have been at least twice as long.
7. No feelings actually get addressed. Steven "gets fixed" off-screen. I was expecting him to turn pink when the gems pretended to not be sad he was leaving (wtf was that all about)
8. All other characters were either illogical, dumb, annoying or all of the above.
I loved Steven Universe. But thinking about the finale gets me angry. It was such a letdown and seeing everyone and their mom praising it online made me bitter :'(
I understand this comment so deeply and I agree with most of it ... I loved the IDEA of the ending, the Monster Steven concept and the hug ... but the series didn't tie any loose ends at all
I think Future's biggest problem is that it was too short
I'm expecially sad Bluebird disappeared
9. *Ahem* ever since I was a fan of the show I’d always imagine the finale where the antagonist was too strong and the gems would have to fuse into a new being...I was praying that lapis péridot and bismuth would fuse to defeat Steven but I got my hope up way too high...
I generally feel the same, though Connie wasn't really that much of an issue for me. I was hoping that it'd touch on Connie's probable traumas, and the fact that she didn't _tell her mom about all the shit she and Steven went through_
Even though I loved the show to bits, your criticisms were actually wonderfully-crafted imo! Very valid points there. It also probably will affect how I approach story-writing when it comes to working on my own animated series in the future, as that's a dream of mine that I'm currently working on. Big thanks to you and other people who make constructive criticism instead of saying "the show's bad, here are the flaws, ok bye."
I can sometimes overlook plot holes or easy fixes to the story in order for a theme to work but,
1. Ever since season 5 they keep doing it over and over again
2. They keep doing it to cover up bad/ lazy writing
3. Instead of writing something more believable they keep it the same
Another thing (although, keep in mind that I actually liked the finale):
The whole "Jasper gets de-shattered" thing was kind of a pointless addition since she doesn't even really do anything in the final episodes other than call Steven, "My Diamond" a couple times. If she actually helped uncorrupt Steven, then I wouldn't be complaining about it all too much. But, nope.
@Vezor I mean, I guess... but even then, what does she do for Steven other than *that?* She doesn't help with the Corrupted Steven confrontation despite wanting to do anything to protect "her diamond"? I feel like she didn't add too much to the story other than that.
@Vezor That'd be cool.
@Vezor actually, no. Thats it. And thats as far as it is. According to sugar she isnt planning on returning to steven universe for a while. No comics either.
Idk I didn't mind her being un-shattered as it kinda gave Stevens breakdown more reasons as to how far gone he really was. As he was trying to rationalize killing someone, and that since he was able to bring them back it was no big deal. His problem is that he was focused on fixing everything else but himself, so Jasper being fixed fed into his delusion even more. Making him think "Yeah I can fix so many problems now without anyone having to worry about mine."
@@MJD3rp but do you see whats happening here? It adds on to stevens character. Jaspers own death is neglected by everyone else nobody really cares about her being fucking murdered they only care because steven did it. Also if jasper were to stay dead and steven were to be delusional in the sense that he could still fix her, it wouldve applied the same way. This is what i hate about the show. Fans and people can just easily come up with a better plotline than what actually happened. If a large portion of an audience is upset at an ending and they imagine scenarios that they think it wouldve worked better, chances are you didnt do a good job.
I’ve been wondering about your thoughts since the moment the finale aired!! Thank you for making these videos.
I still don’t get the “Steven develops *random* powers”. The super speed is like the only one that I see out of place.
Cuz if Steven can float and he gains a power up n can suddenly “fly”, it makes sense. Cuz 1. He achieved it thru a power up (u said urself that u watch anime so u should know a power up gives a character new or improved abilities) 2. Flying n floating aren’t that different from each other. Literally one is just staying in the air n the other is moving thru the air....what part of that is random?
If u consider that random, how do u cope w watching anime?!
To be fair though, Steven has a lot of powers. Like way too many it kind of gets ridiculous. Remember how Steven could survive in the vacuum of space outside of his bubble even for a little bit? Or how he could transfer his mind to other bodies like with Lars or watermelon Steven? or how he could project his soul/mind through some kind astral plane, or enter people's minds? Or the whole TV projection thing. And I'm sure there's more examples
Anyway, it just feels like Steven has way too many powers
Panties Bandito I mean to some extent yh. But my problem isn’t how many it’s how random. The guy in the vid keeps calling em random n that’s my issue cuz they didn’t rlly stem outta nowhere, there is a justification or a comparison. Steven and his projecting thoughts to other things is very similar to white diamonds powers. Even similar to blue w how she can project or put her emotions into someone. does seem to be like projecting emotions n thoughts to something else is a diamond power
Steven in this series has been very frustrating indeed. He could have done much better but it just degrades the character into ashes
SU as a series exists to make people feel good. Sadly it sacrificed good logical writing just to justify sending its message. It tells us things but does not show saud things and having characters cry or sing ir both fixes everything.
I used to like this show but looking at it as a whole it is flawed. From the writing to the inconsistent character development, this show is just si frustrating when you stop and think about these problems.
And there are so many things left unresolved: what was in the chest? Did Steven forgive his father? What will happen to Jasper? We do not know because the writers did not want to explore these things and just left them unresolved. That is just terrible on so many levels.
I am not sad the series is over. I am sad because it could have been better.
I agree with most of the points but wdym with forgive his father
Did you mean he did forgive his dad?
@@tayojones9460 forgive him about what there when he deleted his picture it wasn't because he hated him it was because he felt that he couldn't help him after what happened there was no issue
There was. Steven blew up at his dad because he found out his father had a structured life and his attempt to give his son freedom has a negative effect on Steven. Steven never reconciled with his father. That is what I meant.
@@tayojones9460 they did
when he turned into a monster then everyone hugged him there was a time skip after that we know that he went to a therapist and started reconnecting with everyone also after he told his dad that he was going to leave beach city he was there to say goodbye to him
I'm still disappointed that Steven never got to hangout with nephrite you know the one gem monster Steven tried so hard to heal , but we never saw her again in future.
If you ask me I'd compare this season to a breakfast smoothie, we got random bits of everything in every place, rarely getting something where it belongs, like, we didn't even get a song on any of the last 3 episodes, on a show where music is such a key component. This just feels wrong, Steven universe episodes were comparable to home-cooked meals, not always the best, yes, but always full of love, this whole season feels just thrown together, as if the creators just left the thing in the blender on their way to work.