Karate vs Wing Chun - French Interpretations
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 3 ก.ค. 2024
- A very awesome match with a karateka and a wing chunner. This is from a French channel that many of you have recommended we commentate and react to. Big shoutout Karate Bushido Officiel. Let's see what lessons we can learn from these two practitioners of their respective martial arts. Leave your comments and let me know what you saw! Update 2023: these guys didn't seem to appreciate this critique, so I'm not featuring them anymore.
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Timecodes:
0:00 Initial reaction
2:20 Slow motion analysis (50% speed)
6:15 For any French speakers - กีฬา
Im the Karate Guy of the video. Thanks for your reviews 🥋
Oh my goodness! I'm SOO GLAD someone showed you this! I would love to interview you some time! Pinning your comment!
iam take youre Right foot so most be hard not to stand on the left side
What an honor, and may I ask, what you think about wingchun? Hope I could be able to ask the other one what he thinks about karate
It's not wing chuna. It's togakure Ryu ninjutsu
Your awesome at karate
A Wing Chun guy who takes his shirt off, my entire worldview is shaken.
"Wing Chun" The Man do Sambo and Sambo combat competition.
Bruce lee?
bruce lee doesn't use wing chun, his sensei ip man did
@@Rekovul Solid Wing Chun in the fight between Bruce and O'Hara. Bruce opens with 3 consecutive sticky hands and then adds other styles.
@@Rekovul Ip man taught wing chun to bruce, bruce mixed wing chun with some ideas of his own and created jeet kune do
Hello, I’m Mehdi Ben Hassen
I’am the wing chun man on this video,
low kicks were forbidden to me, it was a constraint…
But I accepted the challenge 😉
Thanks you for sharing 🙏🏼
Wow! Thank you for commenting! You want to interview some time over zoom?
Awesome 🙏
The most amazing part about this fight is seeing a wing chun guy that actually has muscles. I'm shocked
The Man do Sambo. Explain a lot of things.
I know people who only train wing chun as martial art but also do weight and are SO. VERY. BUFF.
Yes but he has those muscles for nothing he is a static doll🤡🦧
@@antoniocaneroramos5880 Hey, you can't really blame him. Not much of a sparring culture in kung fu; he's really going out of his way to get that pressure testing in
@@antoniocaneroramos5880 He's not, he's got great mobility. But yes wing chun is not a very good system.
As a wing chun student I'm also confused by his wide stance
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Not a wing chun guy - bladed stance, lead hand too far out, his kicks are more savate style as well
Yeah there's 0 wing Chun in this video.
@@storyiii5 there never is
Not an ounce of Wing Chun, and those that do Wing Chun don't get that it's an art of principles to be applied thru the forms. It's adaptable, but too many are stuck in the yi ji Kim yeung ma, asking hand bs, than actual applications. I've been trainin' in Wing Chun for 9 years now, most of the actual Wing Chun guys that are in these videos don't actually understand Wing Chun.
The French channel we covered is called Karaté Bushido Officiel. You can find a link in the description or end cards! Anyone that speaks French, please let them know if would love to interview them if they speak English!
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The Wing Chun Guy changed his Style to Jeet Kun Do style
@@pausetape8824
Thèse two guys are champions in full contact rules (sanda, karate contact) but they try to use classic stance in this fight (try to not boxing)
Yes, the guy in the back as the ref is the host of the channel. He speaks english with an accent but you can have a conversation.
Some of the WC Guy's moves arent even Wing Chun, it's like he dons the WC guard and stance but will just throw it away whenever he felt like it
Similar to boxers in mma, wheen they drop their guard to defend takedowns.
I think Wing Chun guy is from Didier Beddar school in Paris (William Cheung lineage). Actually, the ref is Greg from Karate Bushido Officiel TH-cam channel, which is pretty popular among French speaking people, but I don't know if he speaks English.
He does... Broken but you enough to have a conversation.
The wing chun guy who doesn't use wing chun...
The Karate guy, who doesn't use Karate 🤦🤷
Because Real fight are not look like kata and basic training.
Fight like chinese movie are Fake.
@@ringogerlach1739sim o cara e do karatê e usa karatê não fale merda e aceita o outro levou pau .
@@ringogerlach1739 more karate was used than wing chun...
5:41 Wing chun guy was gonna do some parkour on karate guy but got denied
Don't worry these guys couldn't hurt themselves let alone eachother.
Sais the 380 pound depressed beanbag who can't Evan get off his moms couch without scooting the the arm
The it’s the channel Karaté Bushido and the host is GregMMA a very funny guy. Great content. They also do “random attacker in the street” style video where they give boxing gloves to random people in the street and ask them to surprise attack.
It looks like both of them are pretty new to sparring. The wing chuy dude made the usual mistake of trying to chain punch way out of meassure. At least he used some traditional blocks/parries like bong sao, and could absorb part of the damage from some of karate guys punches with some framing/chi sao.
By all means, go give them a sparring lesson. The karate guy is 10 times France karate champion, world karate champion at university level and he arrived 2nd twice in Europe karate championship.
@@fabienpaillusson7390 so he is very accomplished in point fighting, and point fighting sparring then. Good for him, but that does not translate well to actual fighting. Still, it's good that he is trying to dable into it, there's nothing stopping him from becoming a competent fighter using part of of what he learned from karate.
Lol again a strong keyboard warrior .the karate guy is a world champion in ko system kyokushin . And the other have win lot of compet in wing chun and sambo so If you think they are pretty new to sparring 🤣🤣🤣
@Kevin Lobos Define "actual fighting".
@@DarkLight-dd4nc
if they are it's not showing in this video, they are not sparring like people that have been through full contact fighting for a long period of time. They look very shy and like they are still figuring out how sparring works out of point fighting rules.
Which again there is nothing wrong with that, don't take it personal you guys, or like an attack to these martial artists. There's nothing wrong on being a beginner at something.
Chun is abstract, leaving what people consider " wing chun" to vary tremendously. Couple things that seperate good chun from guys just using martial or fighting without the art side. Covering while attacking or defending while offense. See how guys throws a round kick and leaves himself open up top or a straight or a wild over hand while leaving the other hand low. Always open, no offense not saying anything bad about him hes in there fighting but this is what seperates chun from just fighting or brawling. Also attacking from the shortest distance in chun say his front hand not his rear when the guy gets in range not only is it slower do to it takes more time to get the guy but its telegraphed. 99 percent of so called wing chun guys come in with a round kicks and wild hooks and tend to be striaght and linear never cutting angles.
Interesting as always
Point karateka don't kick legs cuz it doesn't score unless you trip him so if they kick it's a calf or even ankle kick.
Also they do punch their faces quiet a lot it's just that there being basically no combos tucking your shin makes no sense because evading is much better than blocking because it's only AT MOST a 1 2 and you need your hands low because you need to block the body too, so at most you see tucked chins very up close in a phillyshell esque position (it has a japanese name I forgor).
You should check some full contact karate (not kyokushin, that's knockdown karate; which is full contact too but that ain't the name) it's basically uninterrumpted point karate with judo throws ocasionally. Very similar to the kenpo stuff you showed the other day.
Point karateka DO Kick legs but the technique is different. In Kyokushinkai it is more like a muay thai low kick, while in shotokan it is more ashi barai or sweep and much lower at the calves as opposed to kyoku and MT who kick on the thight
@@1individeo that's literally what I said man
@@cahallo5964 yes I know I only made a shorter version of your comment. Kudo would be full contact karate also
yesss in JKA full contact they use lowkicks
I follow this Channel and there is a lot content. They make pranks to martial students attaking them in the street. They try self defense against normal people. They tried self defense against knife working with police and military. This proved even a trained soldier dies against a knife, etc…really cool Channel. And Greg, the host, speaks english.
When people don't pay attention to openings like with that lead leg thing at the start I can't help but think it's because they've got a particular fight agenda in mind like going for the core or face or something. Whenever I played street fighter I'd ignore a lot of openings/opportunities to strictly stick with special moves since they're cooler. I bet these two were just being way tentative though n feeling eachother out a bit first
This is not Wing Chun. At least not what I've learned. Wing Chun is there to quickly counter attack in a way that the opponent is not able to fight again. This looks like kick boxing or karate or a mix of several things. Wing Chun is a self defense style that wants to end a fight as quickly as possible, by hitting sensitive body parts with rather deadly precision than this sparring thing what they are doing.
It's amazing to me both of these guys are wearing black belts but they're fighting like they're self taught in the backyard I don't see Wing Chun or karate I just see two guys pretending they actually know karate and Wing Chun
Yeah the wing chun guy basically use no wing chun and the karate guy looks like point karate with no technique. That stance, jumping and how he punches made me re-read the title. He acts like taekwondo guy who forgot to kick
Hello.
Karate Bushido is a french monthly magazine about martial arts. The youtube channel was created by "GregMMA" (the host) and is linked to the magazine. "GregMMA" is also a trainer and may be the owner of the Macabi Gym (where the video was created).
"GregMMA" speaks english, he has made a video in Netherlands in a famous kickboxing gym and has spoken in english to the gym management. He is part of a larger team (from the magazine) and you should have english speaking people in the team. Since their watchers and readers are only french speaking, they could be interested working with to comment in english the fight they created ?
I am a follower of "GregMMA" since a few years now, and I'm a big fan :)
La chaine TH-cam date d'avant l'arrivée de Greg par contre. ;)
getting a kick blocked like that must be a real stab to the ego
Yes, they speak english. Karaté Bushido is a very cool YT channel
I see why Boxing is the Ultimate FIGHTING SPORT! They Both needed Boxing skills inside.
lol MMA is the Utimate fighting sport
Chum Kiu is second form, similar to side stance.
Head high. Chin out. Gotta love that. Lol
What style of wing chun is this ???
Create a bridge if the opponent’s bridge is not present; nullify the bridge according to how it is presented. The arm bridge tracks the movement of the opponent’s body. ( the arm bridge is from the wrist to the forearm.
Parabéns pela ginga brother!
Pin sun wing chung; Gulao wing chung; Wang chung; & William Cheung lineage are the four that teaches side stances.
William Cheung lineage from the comments I've seen his sifu is Didier something 😂
The Wing Chun man did nothing
Under which rules?
Liked the snippet of you doing capoeira. Is your group Capoeira Besouro?
Where are you located? I am in Southern California and would love to exchange some Kung fu ideas with you.
If only there was a commentator commentating the commentators commentating this would be a perfect commentating video. 🙃
That would be ultra meta!
A taekwondo point fighter is not the same as karate fighter.
Nah, Bruce would have attacked that lead leg and used side kicks to the open ribs from the bladed stance.
This is sport karate, so he’s probably doing shotokan and they don’t throw leg kicks. I’m guessing if it was full contact maybe he would throw some leg kicks and fight like a kyokushin fighter
Good controlled round
The karate guy could've definitely just done a lateral move followed by a low kick to sweep him or cut or destroy his leg and posture. Anytime WC dude holds his hand up I'd feint with a jab sidekick the hell out of his ribs. That's what Bruce Lee would do. One thing that bothers me about a lot of WC guys is that for being so hand oriented they tend to leave their chin wide open. Why?
first blow of the Wing chun guy at the second 00:32 obviously pulled taking advantage of the moment in which the karate guy was adjusting his glove. Great start for a comparison sparring...
have you seen any very good kung fu practitioners that doesn't just swing like a street fight and actually wins against MMA? are you able to make a video of this if you find one please?
He has a few actually
The thing about that is mma is a mix of all fighting styles so usually has an advantages
The wing in word-chun😂
Looks like two kids slapping each other over the last Oreo.
Wing chun guy looks like he learned from old king Fu VHS tapes in his room at home with mom
The karate guy is Michael serfati a solid shotokan karate practitioner in France and the wing chun guy is mehdi ben ahmed who is a student of sifou didier beddar who has learn wing chung with william cheung a student of ip man and bruce lee sparring partner
@FightCommentary why aren't you posting about qi la la anymore? The last time was like 7 months ago?
He had another match recently. You can also go follow his channel to stay up to date.
@@FightCommentary oh thanks, but will you post more on him tho?
What rule with they play If I karate guy I never play like that.
Questo prova a fare Jeet kune do, nel wing chun la posizione di guardia è completamente diversa, i calci non sono così ampi e sventagliati, tan sao e pak sao dimenticati?
Where is the wing chin guy?
What style of wing Chun does a roundhouse kick? He’s probably not doing 100% Wing Chun though.
They both look like they just both got their black belts.
I'm French and i follow Karate Bushido but the main "presentator" of the channel isn't the owner. So i don't know if they speak english ...
Of course they do.. how could you organize the Festival des Arts Martiaux with all those invited fighters without speaking english?
HILARIOUS NICE STEP DANCING WORST THEN A KID FIGHTING.
About the Bruce Lee comparison, I don’t think Bruce would have his hands that low or kick like that. His early background was highschool Boxing, where he actually won a tournament, and Jeet Kune Do’s Stop-Hit interception counter system was about stuffing a strike with another strike, which is much easier with a high guard. He’d probably have his lead hand low for flicker jabs, but likely a high right hand for blocking and power shots. As for the kicks, his sense of balance and hip mobility was incredibly high level, like, whether he was a high level fighter or not is a point of contention in the martial arts community, but I don’t think anyone would dispute that the man was a high-level kicker for sure
He definitely would drop his hands from time to time.
"Attack by drawing" is a real thing that exists
@@jestfullgremblim8002 right, I agree, the Draw-In Stop-Hit was a common tactic he used even in the record Orange Beach demo, I more so meant, unlike our Wing-Chun fighter in this video, his guard wouldn’t be low for the majority of the fight, sorry for any confusion
@@RedFoxGrappler i see.
I'd say that we couldn't be sure about that, fighters don't always fight in the same way. It depends on what his plan for that fight is.
Furthermore, his usual Jeet Kune Do stance had one low hand so he isn't exactly a strange to having low hands.
Now then, most of the arts that he knew about had high hand stances so you are mostly right. He got a lot of his kickicking from Savate which has high hands, same with Muay Thai and Boxing.
Now then, unless you wanna rush in, trapping is better done with a stance that doesn't have the hands that high. Like i said, it all depends on what he wants to do in that fight
@@DagwoodDogwoggle very true, also a tactic used by Muhammad Ali and Thomas Hern in Boxing, it can really only be mastered by an incredibly fast master like Lidell, Ali, and of course Lee
But he's showing what he's doing almost so very slow.
It's not a matter of styles it's a matter of people who is the better fighter not who's style
This is Greg MMA kARATE bUSHISO CHANNEL, well kwown in France. This is just sparing . The wing chun guy is a disciple od Sifu Didier Beddar who teaches in Paris. And this guy praticces Sambo and has his own chanel on ou tube.
What wing chung?
So wait until hands go down to adjust gloves and attack
How old are they? 12 ? Or 9 ?
Don’t call him a wing Chun guy, there was no wing Chun
Ok...so credit to each of them for getting out there and doing it.
That being said neither one of them were impressive. Their defense consisted of running in a straight line backwards.
that's actually my second defense technique, right behind hit the floor in fetal position. :)
Wheres wc.
This looked like a slap fight. If these are black belts then black belts must of went down.
What did that shirtless guy do that was actual Wing Chun? 🤔
problem is wing chun person is fighting point style not wing chun, that's why he has no balance. Being square is better balance that's why it's the best defensive position for wrestler
He is not posting like wing chun... but even a single wing chun block
It's still like watching 2 special Ed kids fight on the playground
Karate vs What ever the other guy is doing. 🤷♂️
où est le Wing Chun dans ce combat ???

Where was the wing chun???
Xu xiadong is more wing Chun when enters close range with crossed tan Sao, what's this? 4.55 karate guy does wing chun
There's Absolutely Nothing Wing Chun About That Slop
Not a wing chun guy.
Reasons :
- Bladed stance, lead hand too far out, his front kicks are more savate style, spinning heel kick.
I think he probably has wing chun as a secondary martial art , his main martial art style in this fight is something else and definitely not wing chun
Wing Chung is Boxing??
Firts i was doubtful because of how chubby the karateka is but he has good skills
That has nothing to do with wing tsun. I don`t want to start a fight, which style is better, etc. because this would lead nowhere, but what I´m sure of, is, that this is not close to wing tsun. For instance, his weight is constantly on his front feet, there is no jumping like a boxer in wing tsun, no round kicks in wing tsun, etc.
That guy is not using textbook Wing Chun. I like the sportsmanship both of them show but this didn't seem like a very good example of both respective fighting styles at their core. Still takes a lot of time and training so respect still!
Where's the Wing Chun? I didn't see any.
Join the Mixed Martial Arts or UFC and show your art
When I hear ppl speaking about square being an issue in wing chun shows how untrained they are,mike Tyson had a square stance ,bus rutted had a square stance (he even has a video to explain his square stance and why it’s better)but hey a random TH-camr decided that the square stance is bad so obviously knows better from millions of other martial artist (mike and bus also )from his experience in TH-cam .
Who are you talking about with this square stance stuff? No one mentioned this before you.
And comparing either of these guys to Tyson or Bas Ruten... no. Just no.
@@mattm56 what are YOU even talking about ?jerry in his commentary is saying that the square stance is bad,do you even watch the video or you just trolling ?
It's a mystery to me why the so-called "Wing Chun fighters" don't really use Wing Chun so often. The karateka here sometimes does more Wing Chun (acting in chain-like strokes from the center) than the "wing chun" man ...
I was going to say this. The guy in black seems like a decent fighter but I really didn't see anything resembling the famous Wing Chun style. He was basically boxing or maybe kickboxing.
Wing Chun may have lots of benefits but from what I have seen combat effectiveness is not among them.
A lot of theory, tradition, stances, and techniques get tossed out the window when people actually fight vs: doing forms or demonstrations.
@@mattm56 100%
@sipscl lol not a mystery.. is lack of combat drills and sparring. But even if they had that.. WC would just be a decent style
Most of the people don't know how to apply kung fu correctly, only a good master teaches it. A good kung fu school. Original wing chun
He is not using his wing Chun stance, it's more of jkd.
It's been said. It's been argued. I'm repeating it.
The ONLY Wing Chun here IS IN THE VIDEO TITLE.
I practice both wing chun and kyokushin, and i gotta say, more than half of the wing chun guy's bag of tricks is neutralized by wearing gloves.
this is a mad respectful fight, i hate it
Fight with relationship 🙏☺️👍🏻
Sweet dance moves.
Im on a roll today reading the comments and I cant blame anyone for knocking what they've seen. But on the contrary there is sparring in chun but only a handful of lineages "schools" do it. Funny story trained with a handful of lineages but applied is the only one I know of that actually spars and uses actuall chun techniques. In china they train with the thais in camps and these guys are no joke real mauy thai schools with champs. 1st time we mixed it up with them they laughed when we put on shin pads and our guys asked if they wanted them because what theyve seen and heard of but after about 20 mins they switched it up put on pads. They never seen it before actuall chun that utilizes chun and fights with it. Same as when we went into a mauy thai school recently in va, wanted to run a chun class in there facility, the owner and teacher was like lets see it, not sparring against us just wanted to see us move around. After we showed him how we do and train things he was was like thats what I pictured wing chun looking like i always heard it was good in street fights. This guys been around martial arts for over 2 decades. Legit dudes but it doesnt make chun invinsible or mystical its a abused art that has unfortunately been watered down like alot of arts overtime.
Show us videos.. the guys from "Fight Quest" didn't saw anything special in Hong Kong
They don’t do back spinning kicks. He is not versed in Wing Chun
estoy harto de decir esto pero ese muchacho no estaba utilizando wing chun .
ya que al utilizar patadas de a larga distancias y cambiar la postura.
deja de ser el estilo del wing chun
Chicken wing chun king in action! I couldn’t stop 😂 laughing!
It's not martial art fight it's boxing
Where Is winchun ?? Never see.
The ref has some nice Biceps
0:43 not he not master it not mean the style have problems. Wing chun it’s for short distance fight and a master could block that hit
That's how you can build up your muscles in WC.
Started as yip man, ended up as deontay wilder