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Qi La La is doing more to improve Wing Chun than anyone since Bruce Lee. I love that this dude is seriously pressure testing his fighting skills and applying Wing Chun techniques in an intelligent manner. Obviously he isn't stopping anyone like a true pro MMA fighter, but this is entertaining and informative, Qi La La is the most legit Wing Chun fighter I have seen in the modern Era, for sure.
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Qi La La deserves way more credit than Bruce Lee; Lee was an actor and a martial arts enthusiast with an alleged history of street fighting. Qi La La is a serious martial arts competitor and pioneer...and to do this at almost 40 no less.
@@aquiredskill qi la la has the purest wing chun out there,if you cant see it then you dont have a clue of what wing chun look like in the real life and you have been confused by the movies or by fraud fake "masters"..
You really should add the WC to your tool belt. The sensitivity training with the trapping, fighting to the outside is almost like a cheat code in sparring. Everyone out there is right that if WC practitioners don’t spar it’s a mess. The WC/JKD sensitivity training gives a quick trap edge that becomes all muscle memory. It takes a few months. I don’t think with your training it’s necessary to complete the WC system but getting tools like the bong sao were so helpful for me when I blended it with sport karate/kenpo. As a matter of fact there were a few WC issues that could be detrimental. Such as hand placement in the fighting stance. If you are fighting in an alley WC is great. Open ring not so much. That’s why I like JKD better. It covers all the ranges.
You can’t beat the conditioning of Muay Thai. At my age and asthma I have less than a minute and half at full burn. If I had the time to really train I’d like to raise that number. I love watching these guys so dedicated to attain this level of fitness. It takes so much courage to put themselves out there like this. I really thought WC guy had it this time. He was beautiful right out of the gate.
If ground fighting was really allowed Qi La La would have definitely won that in the first round also mad respect to Qi La La for pretty much trying to sharpen Wing Chun by doing all these fights and figuring out what works and what doesn’t. If only others would try to follow in his footsteps and try to basically reform Wing Chun than it would be so much more fun and interesting to see rather than just being a joke
you can't "reform" a martial arts system that has existed for thousands of years. you can however find the fault in the classical approach, the useless movements, the unnecessary forms, and decide to, much like a sculptor stripping away material until only the beautiful artwork remains, improve and evolve your martial arts to the peak of human capacity. but you don't have to because Lee already did that for us. Jeet Kune Do, the Way of the intercepting Fist. (r.i.p.lee)
@@Itemtotem I get what your saying however I do just believe that if enough people want to change something it can be done; they would need to take the parts that work and constantly test their techniques
He is though, it's just that all striking arts with similar rulesets look basically the same. Wing Chun (actual sparring/fighting wing chun) looks essentially like kickboxing but with more of a punching emphasis. @@وسىم-ك5ت
@@وسىم-ك5ت Not formal old fashion orthodoxed Wing Chun for sure but a version of martial arts heavily influenced with southern kung fu elements tailored to the cage fighting format. It is very entertaining to watch for sure.
Qi La La wins this fight with better cardio period. Love watching this guy fight and apply his Wing chun. Awesome representative for the Wing Chun community. No doubt he'll come back stronger then before!
it wasn't a cardio difference, or at least, it wasn't entirely a cardio difference. QLL went 100% in round one while the Muay Thai fighter wisely went 60-70% in round one, conserving energy and learning his opponent. Due to QLL's preference for hands-down/chin-up postures, he was subsequently annihilated by elbows which would have cut his face to ribbons without the elbow pads because the MT guy both had the energy and knew how QLL would behave under pressure. So while more cardio wouldn't hurt, he needs to employ a smarter strategy. Almost anyone would be depleted if they blitzed for an entire round straight. Just try punching a heavy bag as hard and as fast as you can for 3 to 5 minutes even without the real-world stress of someone threatening to hit you right back. So unless you just happen to be an amazing athlete (i.e. a lifelong wrestler), you're going to have to fight smarter. Even in my prime I couldn't have maintained that pace.
@Cellar Door maybe, but he was tired because he went hard against someone going light (in round 1, that is). That's what created this perception that he was very dominant, you have an MT guy following proven MT strategy of having a light first round to study an opponent who is absolutely blitzing. It looks very impressive, but it is a very classic mistake against MT opponents. He would have done much better if he conserved energy in the first round and spent that time figuring out his opponent. Blasting all of your energy means you're probably going to get seriously injured in the subsequent round. Tired fighters become injured fighters, so it's up to you to fight smart and use whatever stamina you've got wisely.
I can’t believe I found so many wing chun techniques , concepts and principles being applied here. Round 1 Qi La La floored his opponent with simple straight punches. If you look properly it was done with the Vertical Fist which is something taught in wing chun. He also utilised the centreline theory whereby the shortest distance is a straight line! He also use a low Gan sao to swipe away his opponent’s front kick He uses the front kick and side kick cry frequently Look at how he threw his opponent to the cage, he used The wing chun second form chum kiu to turn his hips and to offset his opponent balance. He also ducked to avoid punches to the head. This can be found in the ending part of third form of wing chun Biu Jee He also used a pak Sao to parry his opponent punch The second time he threw his opponent to the floor, he once again showed the wing chub second form chum kiu in turning the hips to do it. He also used a tan gerk (leg check) to block his opponent’s inside round house kick If you look at his close fighting, he always applies the sticking concept which is taught in wing chun chi sau. This allows you to sense your opponent’s intention and to react quicker than him. It also provides you with a certain degree of control. He regularly used the neck grab which can be found in the wing chun wooden dummy form to control his opponent. The only thing which is something not taught often in wing chun is the leg trip which he did at the start of round 1 At one point, he even did a tan Sao to block an enemy’s punch! The commentator even showed the replay of the Tan Sao in slow motion Round 2 After a successful round 1, the tides turned. Qi La La didn’t recover from an early blitz by his opponent. You could see that he ran out of stamina. He couldn’t keep his hands up and couldn’t defend any basic attacks. Whilst he lost 19-18, I believe he lost due to his stamina. His wing chun was clear and superior in Round 1 but for round 2, his lack of stamina brought him down. And what? He’s 37? Close to 40? In the UFC, only 32% of fighters are 35 years and above. Moreover, the win % of fighters who are 36yo and above is below 50%.
even tho I am happy to see Wing Chun work here I respectfully, but totally disagree with your statement here. I have seen this so much when Wing Chun guys and even teachers see a boxer cover up his face they scream pak sao bong sao or when sb uses a vertical first it's clearly a wing chun punch and such. Even tho this might be true, it is kinda pointless to point that out, because there are so many movements in the wing chun forms, you can literally interpret any technique from almost any fighting style into there and claim this is all wing chun at work (it might be smarter to ask yourself what techniques that are usually taught in wing chun are not being used here; you'll probably get the much longer list that way). Also you have to differentiate between good technique and a good application of technique. The vast majority of wing chun schools, unfortunately, prefer to reach a level of exellence in the former, but completely ignore the latter. Unfortunately wing chun focuses soooo much on the so superior techniques that it tends to forget the really important stuff. On the other hand wing chun has some really smart concepts that are not really found in many other martial arts and I really like it for that. This is not supposed to be hate. I have practised WT for 6 years and I love it still (I also think Qi La La did well here). I just think that with your way of thinking you would constantly produce the inferior fighters compared to a more modern approach with maybe wing chun training and technique concepts added to modern MMA training. I'm also sure that not all wing chun schools are equal and there are certainly ones that produce good fighters. However those probably deviate a little from the commonly used teaching methods / curriculum of the average wing chun school. From my personal experience, however, and from what the internet has to offer about it, it's pretty evident that this would be an exception and that the average wing chun guy still suffers from the same known wing chun problems, even tho he might come from a school that claims to be better than the average wing chun school. I hope this makes sense and I hope you appreciate me talking my time to give my point of view and that you don't react like the average wing chun guy does when he experiences wing chun being criticised :) I appreciate any form of contructive discussion from anyone who feels like talking wing chun a little :D
@@Zayaraq Hi there, thanks for the long reply. What is your image of Wing Chun then? All I did was explained what I saw. So, I do not understand your phrase that ‘I disagree with your statement’. I do understand that there are overlaps between martial arts. I mean humans only have 4 limbs, and our joints only move in certain manners (elbow and knee joint can only extend and flex, shoulder joint is a ball and socket joint). Thus, we only have a very limited range of movements, which would explain the overlaps in martial arts. I know very well also that the Oblique Kick in Wing Chun is taught in Muay Thai and Savate. I don’t understand what you mean by when a boxer cover ups, people scream pak Sao and bong Sao? My way of thinking? I haven’t even informed you of the way I think about wing chun. All I did was explained and elaborate the techniques/principles/concepts used in wing chun. Okay, so you if you’re asking for my opinion on Wing Chun. Here it is. In every WC move, you can either learn : - the physical structure of it (shape of arms/hands) - the energy input of it (spiralling energy/generation of power from a short distance/relaxation and etc) - the principles of it (centreline theory/simultaneous defend-attack/2 vs 1 hand positioning/blind side and etc). It’s a concept based martial arts, it’s up to you to learn whatever you want. I personally do MMA (BJJ and Muay Thai to be specific) and Wing Chun. For me, I personally have my favourite techniques for every martial arts. Even in my wing chun school, everyone has their own preference. Most of my friends rarely utilise any kicks but for me, I somehow have the propensity to kick more often than them. So yeah, everyone’s wing Chun is definitely different. Body size, height, training regime all matter. You mentioned something rather confusing,which is pointing out techniques that don’t exist? I mean what? So do you want me to list down all the submissions form BJJ and all the nage wazas from Judo that were not being used? Or do you actually mean by what is a better method/technique to be used in that particular situation? For me, I don’t make claims that my Wing Chun School is better than the average wing chun school. Because honestly, I don’t know how other schools practise their martial arts. I have heard that other school teachers won’t even teach you the application of it and would ask you to do the wing Chun forms every lesson. My wing chun school doesn’t train me that way. I personally don’t train wing chun by standing and doing the forms all day. My school doesn’t have a heavy emphasis on chi sau. My lineage is a combination of Choy Li Fut and Wing Chun. Thus, the practitioners here can easily switch between CLF and WC depending on the situation. Every week, when we have lessons, each of us would present a scenario for our wing chun instructor and asked him how would wing chun deal if person A does X action. My instructor doesn’t claim to know it all but would do his best to provide us with a possible solution to it. Thus, when you mention the same known wing chun problems, unfortunately I don’t know what you mean. Regarding the vertical fist, I do think it’s highly important to mention it as not many martial arts practise the vertical fist. When I attended my first boxing session, I always told to always punch horizontally. Even when I sparred with my Muay Thai and Karate friends, somehow they always do the horizontal punch.
@@samur4061 It’s completely normal for a non wing chun person to say such stuffs. Before I started learning Wing Chun, I always had the impression that wing chun exist like in the Ip Man movies. However, in reality, I realised that real life wing chun =/= Ip Man movies wing chun. And yeah don’t worry, even pure wing chun practitioners will say thay Qi La La does Muay Thai/Kick-Boxing/Boxing. If you watch all the comments about Qi La La on the previous fight commentary breakdown videos, many of them said Qi La La does kickboxing instead of wing Chun . So yeah just to let you know, you are one of the first few to say that Qi La La does boxing instead of kick boxing 😂.
@@J3Cho I don't know what you would like to see. Just google wing chun und see what the teachers present the martial art like. You can clearly see how focused they are on how the single techniques are supposed to work instead of showing live drilling for example. Now I bet there are exceptions, but nothing significant that I know of. I would be really happy if you knew any, tho! Most of my comment came from personal experience, tho. My dojo was kinda special probably, because the average age was really high and this showed in the intensity of the training.... I occasionally left the gym feeling colder than when I came in. This is usually not as bad, but still wing chun seems to often think that technique is so much more valuable than strengh and endurance that they tend to neglect it. Maybe it makes sense when I try to explain my views of wing chun, because I'm not sure what yt video will explain this best: In short I think it is one of the closest traditional martial arts to actual combat that has not quite made it yet. often wing chun training includes elements like free lat sao training, basic ground fighting, trapping rage emphasis and stressing the importance of reflexes and the training methods that lead to those reflexes. important stuff for fighting that is often not implemented in wing chun training are strength and conditioning, failure management - when your chi sao reflexes fail and you get into a bad position (which is quite likely with wing chun, since you like it so close and the techniques are usually quite open in non ideal situations) you must know a lot about movement, covering your head and footwork to realistically recover into a better position. since usually most time is spend on offense to end a fight as quickly as possible not much is done to help defense, which is important , because things tend to not go as planned a lot in fighting. I think that an implementation of boxing footwork and covers could immensely help to fix those problems. On top of that there is no quality control. The fighting ability of the teachers is almost always established by stories about their street encounters. This is not scientific and often leads to confirmation bias: When you work as a bouncer and knock around twenty people from the street there is arguably very little proof of your actual fighting abilitly, because there's very little chance of encountering skilled fighters. Those street encounters are often displayed as being even more of a proof for fighting ability than any professional form of combat sports, because 'in da streetz' you fight 'for real' and not playflight like in the ring, which does not make much sense, because of the reasons above. I hope this argument does not cause too many emotional responses, but this is just how I see it. At the very least doing film studies of dozens of professional fights with two very skilled opponents and calculating the hightest percentage techniques etc. is the more scientific approach compared to stories from street fighting. So you see I have a lot of hate and a lot of love for the wing chun system, even tho the negative points were expressed here in much more detail of course. I hope this clears up my view of the wing chun system. Keep in mind this is my personal experience and does not necessarily display experiences from anybody else - I'm convinced, tho, that my experience is the norm, not the exception. Maybe you would like to explain your view of the wing chun system just like I did here, if you don't mind? I'm honestly pretty curious about that! I just remembered that in the beginning I wanted to explain this in short, guess I like talking wing chun. I hope this did not seem too negative and rather contructive.
Qi La La is experiencing the very circumstances behind Lee's necessary development of JKD. So perfectly this fits even because Lee used WC against Wong Jack Man and the fight lasted too long for Bruce's liking. WC had the reputation for ending fights quickly, and when Lee's battle extended beyond 3 minutes and he realized he was tired from chasing the guy around, he began to develop JKD.
Proud of our man Qi la la. Good fight spirit! Making wingchun from the goofy dance to the deadly combative art it was supposed to be. Always got my man’s back doesn’t matter if he wins or looses! Great performance!👏🏻👏🏻💪🏻🔥
Qi La La (Zhan Gui)'s concerns re: conditioning are for real. When I was training in Wing Chun, we spent a LOT of time developing muscle sensitivity in our forearms so we can sense "twitch" movements in opponents for our sticky hands drills. This was all excellent, but I had to go completely outside of my training schedule to fit in extra weight-lifting and running and the time investment to do both at the same time was significant. Qi La La definitely showed he invested in weights/power training though by throwing those bombs in Round 1!!
I always enjoy watching Qi la la's fights. It's nice to see his journey in making something that has maintained an almost uselessness to become something fairly effective
uselessness?wut?it was never that the case with wing chun.Maybe it was from the self proclaimed fraud masters!But from chu song tin and wong sheunn leung (qi la la is a wsl btw) it was always legit.btw those 2 where the only ones that they where allowed to teach in ip mans school after he passed away.
@@wingchunFTW Yu Changhua is official lineage and got beat by a one-armed mma practitioner/boxer 🤷🏻. Just to reiterate, I never said it's completely useless. It can serve as a good base, as Qi la la has demonstrated, but needs to evolve or adapt. I wish I could remember which clip is also on this channel where an older master even stated that chinese martial arts are not what they once were and are more akin to a dance anymore
@@derekv4552 what are you talking about?the guy that lost was not from the 2 official line ages that i am talking so get your facts right...he was self proclaimed bullshit master and stuff...wing chun done proper doesnt need anything else exept.if you want to use it in the ring though because of the rules and gloves you must adjust ot it and learn some ground wrestling.i dont say that wing chun from this 2 line ages wiĺl turn you to ip man from the movies.what i say is that if you want to see the official wing chun you must search those 2 lineages that i mentioned and not in william cheng and leung tin bullshits
Qi lala strength in closing distance and catching them when they drop or, set their weight. Oblique kicks just to maintain distance and making them do over extend for a counter.
I have noticed that. Must be a strategy for multi-round fights or longer fights in the ring. Probably not advised for street fights that are best ended as quickly as possible.
Whoever is putting dislikes should be ashamed of themselves. Probably jelaousy lol. But for real though, it is very refreshing to see wing chun not get stomped till kindom come...
Props to Qi La La for altering his WC and trying to make it more functional....but if he keeps fighting he's really risking his health! Great comment about the 1-2, or jab-cross. It seems like such a simple combo, and such a beginner's combo, that people just take it for granted and want more fancy or complex moves. But if you've got a solid 1-2 you'll always be dangerous in the ring or on the street!
I see several exchanges in which Qi La La lands the last punch, and often with a slow, calculated, long-hanging punch (like Muay Thai guy's punches) that doesn't look hard until it lands. THANK YOU for sharing this awesome fight
Thank you Jerry for keeping us entertained, you the man and your contents are always awesome... I am thoroughly amazed by Qi La La, he did Wing Chun proud... And I have no doubt that Qi would win, had he a better cardio... Love it 👍👍👍
Excellent! Thanks for sharing this.. I thought both fighters had a lot of heart. Being a life long Wing Chun student I do better without gloves than I do with gloves. I find that the sensitivity aspects of Wing Chun are harder to use with them on.
Kung fu critics: Kung fu styles are rigid and drowned in tradition. They need to modernize! Also Kung fu critics: I see no Kung fu here, it's all kickboxing.
Every standing martial art can be considered as Kick Boxing / Boxing (if you don't use kick). It is true even in China. Because there are a lot of kungfu styles in China that use boxing / fist in their name. Tay Chi Quan (Quan = Boxing / Fist ), Wu Zu Quan, Tai Zu Quan, Baqi Quan, Xinyi Quan, etc. Even Wing Chun can be considered as boxing in China. But there are also kungfu styles that use palm (Zhang). Like Pagua Zhang, etc.
AWESOME start to this fight. Qi La La's head movement is playful, unpredictable and confident. Watch Qi Lala's head at 0:26, right before Qi La La gets punched. Thn watch it again at 0:31, right before the flash knockout. It causes premature, frustrated response from opponents, punches that "gamble" as to whether or not they will connect, -- instead of choosing shots better,
I've always said it's not the techniques that let practitioners of certain styles down but the lack of tendancy to apply and pressure test them. This is a good demonstration of wing chun being applied properly.
Wow that was intense. And I think he has really gotten better too. Just thought it was a little weird for him to tire so fast. I remember him having pretty good cardio. By the way, slowing down the video really helps to see the wing chun interceptions.
@travis Bro then he's not a strictly "wooden dummy not enough cardio" guy. For real man, respect their art. He's beaten a lot of Muay Thai guys. This guy was just better than the other Muay Thai guys
The basics will always be golden: Your ability to judge distance, your space, opponent's space and openings. The technique honestly by that point is what ever you feel like using. I know I may be scorched for this like a professional fighting game player, once the core rules are understood and mastered any character/style becomes viable to victory.
Very good fight. U can actually see many of the Wing Chun stuff here is actually valid. It makes sense. Even though that might sound funny its not many times u see this stuff actually work. Due to that and fighting non standard he produced clear advantage in the 1st round. I truly hope to see more of that guy in the future
QLL attempted to exploit the Muay Thai preference for light first rounds. He went 100% for an early KO finish, which is a classic error from Roufus vs. Changpuek all the way back in '88. People vastly underestimate MT's conditioning and stamina, they fail to lock in the KO (even if there is a bad knockdown, just as in the Roufus fight) and then they just get annihilated in the subsequent rounds, often leading to injuries. He was effectively saved by elbow pads since his head would have been bleeding gratuitously halfway through round 2 (no doubt why they have the elbow pads, to prevent TKOs and slowdowns from inspection which make for a less exciting fight). That said, his judo/BJJ training was very dominant here, and I think he should have leaned on that more which could have slowed the action, preserving energy while scoring points. In the future, I think he'd be wise to focus on the grappling aspect since he seems to be pretty good at it.
Well said brother lol a lot of Thai's tend to do that feel out. Then finish strong in the later rounds. What we have against other striking arts. Is our Conditioning, grit and fight experience. We're to advance because we are constantly fighting and evolving
I personally think Wing Chun is a useless art. Hands down chin up. Slappy Arm punches . Just being honest. I know Qi La La. Is the only hope. But let's be REAL. He fights ametuers MT fighters from Taiwan. Taiwan is not even ranked as a Power house in MT. Like the dutch, and Aussies. And hes getting beat. Ya your boy is good for Wing Chun but a rookie when it comes to fighting.
Kickboxing (including Muay Thai) is a game where you fight with punches and kicks while standing (stop attacking if one get knocked down or fall). The MMA is free to wrestle or use Jiu-Jitsu submission techniques even when one person falls to the floor until one person surrenders or the referee stops the match.
It's hard to really nail down, but here's the best answer. Kickboxing is a variety of styles that combine punching to the body and head (the boxing element) and kicking. Originally, kickboxing came from a combination of kyuokushin karate and Western boxing, with significant influence from Muay Thai. This style still exists now, usually called Dutch kickboxing (which, while confusing in terms of name, did originally come from Japan via Dutch students). As time has gone on, it has continued to absorb more of a Thai influence in its kicking, while remaining much closer to boxing in its punching. Generally, when people just say the word kickboxing, they're referring to one of the major kickboxing sports (K1 or Glory), which, in terms of techniques, are most similar to Dutch kickboxing (lots of boxing, lots of roundhouse kicks, very little push kicks/teeps, very little clinch fighting). These days there are a variety of styles of kickboxing, and whether or not you include Muay Thai in the umbrella of kickboxing or treat it as its own thing varies from person to person. What I will say is that if you got to a "kickboxing" promotion, lots of Muay Thai techniques will usually be banned, so for practical purposes, I separate them. There are other styles of kickboxing, too, like American kickboxing, which is very similar to karate kicks with boxing punches and is more restrictive than other forms of kickboxing. Another style is called sanda, or Chinese kickboxing. Sanda combined elements from modern kickboxing and Muay Thai along with techniques from judo and wrestling to create a unique style. MMA: There are basically two ways to think of MMA. One is the most literal sense, which is now basically obsolete--in that sense, any combination of two or more different martial arts is MMA. This is how people used the term in the '90s into the mid-2000s, basically combing jiujitsu + a striking style (usually Muay Thai, sometimes kickboxing, sometimes boxing, sometimes karate). Today MMA is much less experimental than it was, and we've basically identified five styles, plus a couple of honorable mentions, that when combined in various degrees, create what we call MMA, namely the striking styles of boxing, kickboxing, or Muay Thai, and the grappling styles of jiujitsu or wrestling. To simplify our contemporary understanding of MMA, you can use this formula: MMA is when you combine one or more of boxing, kickboxing, or Muay Thai AND one or more of Brazilian jiujitsu or wrestling (usually this refers to freestyle or folkstyle, but can sometimes be Greco-Roman). You must have at least one of those three striking styles and at least one of those two grappling styles. Today, we don't normally see such clean stylistic division. These days, specialist MMA gyms are very popular for training, and in these gyms you will almost always learn some of all five of these styles in order to be complete, even though you will generally specialize in just one or two of them. For instance, you must at least be competent with the hand skills of boxing, the kicking skills of kickboxing, and the clinch skills of Muay Thai to have any chance of being competitive in MMA standup. Likewise, you must be familiar with wrestling takedowns and with jiujitsu submissions or you will be a sitting duck. I said earlier that there were two honorable mentions in MMA, and those would be judo and karate. Neither of which has become so successful that you absolutely must include them in your game, but there are enough successful fighters with significant backgrounds in those styles in pro MMA that they have also proven their value. Now all that's left is to sit back and wait for the angry responses.
@@kmch7286 You gotta be kidding me. Mma just means mixed martial arts mot just grappling. Look at anderson Silva's portfolio: muaythai, jujitsu, wrestling, boxing, capeoria, tae kwon do, wingchun, jet kune do. It's no one particular style but all that mixed into one. Some people it works. Other's just become jack of all trades but masters of none.
Very interesting fight. I would like to point out some things I've noticed. Depending on rulings of the specific circuit they are fighting in, Muay Thai fighters may start slow in the first rounds. Also the small gloves does not necessarily help a defensive Muay Thai fighter. They are typically reliant on keeping a distance more so than blocking punches. Wing Chun is very fast from what I observed (it's also interesting to see that they like to punch using their ring and pinkie knuckle as opposed to all other boxers). Muay Thai focuses a lot on touchness more than on speed so if you take advantage of the situation in the first round there is a chance you can knock them out early. Any martial artist who studied oriental style of grappling like Judo and Karate has greater tools for grappling than Muay Thai. Muay Thai grappling is actually very limited and in their traditional ruleset it is illegal to use hip throws or even to trip by kicking at the opponent's shins, so even though they have some skill, it's optomised to fight other Muay Thai fighters. Also Muay Thai has 0 ground work so being on the ground is extremely dangerous.
@@lapchiduong , I think Wing Chun is garbage, but Qi La La is great at polishing shit. He was using WC very well, but the cardio got him unfortunatelly.
Ngl this kinda makes me want to mix Boxing and Wing Chun and see how that works, because good gracious that's cool as heck. Feel like if you work hard enough on the two styles you can mix em well enough to do well. At worst it's stilll a fun thing to learn
Like others have said. Muay thai usually allows some time to scope the opponent out before attacking. It is like a slow burn usually. Fighters start heavy and "bang out" usually. They see the opponents style before committing fully. They also have insane conditioning as you all know, but their cardio is also ridiculously.underrated. They slowly build up the pace which is why you see the end of round 2 the momentum changes massively and the MT style takes over. By round 2 it is game set match. Karate, Taekwondo and other styles like Wing Chun are more explosive and faster to strike with, but the follow through power isnt there and it isnt as realistic. Muay thai has been tried and tested for real life combat. Thats all it is. No fancy stuff, just simple destruction of the opponent. You can tell by his opponent keeping his hands low that he was gonna get rocked eventually. Keeping your hands low looks cool, but anyone who has boxing or kickboxing experience knows to keep your head protected or else rippppp
This give me back the faith in wing chun, the deserves all the respect to prove the WC in action, not only in words or in the cliché "did you saw Ip man XIII? , he defeated 30 sumo fighters, thats the prove wing chun no fake", he lost but he tries to return the face to WC. By the way, impresive the Muay thai man.
I think the important part is that if you are keen and have the time expose yourself to a feel disciplines but focus on understanding and perfectly the fundamentals. Also if you choose a style that naturally aligns with your body type and attributes then the more effective that would be.
wing chun guy was doing very well until he blew his load and his conditioning weakened him for the second round. he's clearly a hobbyist but he's a good one at that. if he was a full time professional then he would have worked more on his conditioning, but kudos to his technique and timing. great find again jerry for these types of fights.
Where was the Wing Chun? I saw MMA skills, Muay Thai skills, but Wing Chun? Please point out one traditional Wing Chun technique applied in this fight.
MMA (mixed martial arts) meaning you’ll see techniques from all styles............... I’m not gonna sit here and keep doing periods because it would be soooooo many.
Its nog wing chun at all it’s all hype because wing chun sucks . They say he is wing chun so it’s wing chun lol. And this looks like a low class c fight .
A lot of the "techniques" in wing chun are more or less training tools to teach and demonstrate sensitivity and kinetic flow. Chopped up and used in actual combat, wing chun (and other Chinese martial arts for that matter) just look like kickboxing with whatever specializations the art focuses on. Wing chun lends itself well to clinch fighting and hand fighting (the whole purpose of sticky hands and trapping) which is why it looks like he using "Muay Thai skills". Sadly, the way it is taught doesn't explain this very well if at all.
Great chin on Qi La La - Really excellent first round. Round 2 showed he really needs to boost his conditioning though - he did well to stay on his feet but technically he just wasn't there in round 2. Was it a 2 round fight or did he retire? Good that he didn't fight a 3rd round - he would have been stopped for sure - just didn't have the gas. Still, if he can get to the point where he can fight 3 rounds like round 1 he'll be a force.
0:29 this is what Bruce Lee was talking about, there's no reason you can't punch down the centerline through your elbow but also extend it to the length of a boxing punch
i have to say i really like the idea of victor in this kind of mma striker fight... to be honest i really dont like mma because of the ground fights in it... i prefer this mma style without the ground fight...
The guy who represents Muay Thai doesn’t use many leg, knee and elbow strikes in the first round. Instead, he punches mainly. That’s why he doesn’t do well in the first round. I feel a Muay Thai guy should use powerful push front kicks or leg kicks more. Also, in Thai boxing, we tend to observe the opponent’s style and weapons first and conserve our energy in the first round and tend to increase the counter attacks, speed and power in the later rounds.
Ding Hao has some limited fighting ability. Yu Changhua is completely useless as a fighter. Both would have been knocked out in the first round and it would have been very, very quick for Yu Changhua.
Epic Match!! Qi La La Rooocks! Making Wing Chun Real. That first round really showed up a lot of flashy stuff! Also very cool that Qi La La is getting fans this far, let's learn first wing chun form to show him support, Qi la la Challenge!
GODDAMN. That was awesome. I dont even care that the thai boxer got the leg up. I hope Qi La La works a little Biu Tze elbows into his game sometime in the future.
Still stupid people here write Qi LA LA makes Wing Chun work. Wing Chun works, regardless of him. 1. most WC guys dont compete, Masters being comparable to regular competing Thai Boxing guys in Training time. 2. Wing Chun is for glove less fight, bc Gloves drastically change how strong and how you can hit at all. 3. I know WC is more about concepts, but I dont see a lot of WC techniques in his style. But they work, I had mutliple occasions where saw it working.
Muay Thai guy's elbow chops and occasional hammer fists (especially with his stocky build) look to have been influenced by some kind of kungfu. Something about the timing, and the tremendous arm and shoulder strength required for a powerful straight up-and-down release that has a huge but very fast wind-up, even when the feet are moving or shifting. It's sort of like a Superman punch, but on a different axis. More like an axe-kick using the arms/fists instead of the leg. See?
3:11 that sideway stepping is simple yet beautiful. he doesnt have the strength in his punches so he borrowed them from that stepping. would have worked better in street fight without the gloves
I really like Qi La La, but I would stop calling him a Wing Chun fighter. Nothing of what I have seen in this vid even remotely resembles WC. This is "just" MMA/kickboxing at this point.
@travis he is as much of a WC fighter as Tony Ferguson at this point. Nothing to scuff at, of course. Just, people shouldn't expect to see the second coming of Ip Man or, even worse, join a WC class in the hope to learn Qi La La's fighting style.
Is the MT guy a pro tho?lol... I feel like I'd do a far better job representing MT than this guy. Lol I just feel like his technique is very sloppy. Love your vids man, keeeeeeeep it up!!
This is so unfair Wing Chun has pants on while the Muay Thai has shorts it restricted his mobility and the weight of those pants it might be a couple of grams heavier, losing stamina after the first round kinda makes sense then. I’m clearly trolling here but good fight nonetheless
@@FightCommentary Thank you very much for the answer. Looks more like Duncan Leung or Gordon Lu to be honest. But Wong Shun Leung had many students though. Frankly, I miss something in his Wing Chun. So I wouldn't have put him in the WSL lineage. On the other hand he sells himself a lot better than almost all of the other Wing Chun guys I've seen so far. Keep up the great work. edit: I just saw his Chum Kiu and some Chi sao. Again, it looks pretty odd to me. Not too much WSL in my opinion.
You have to admit, all that training really payed off. It’s also crazy to watch Stand up fighters for to the ground like that. Personally he needs to work on pulling his arms back after a punch.
Search wingchun vs kick boxing amd you'll see that there are more people like qi la la that are good at using wing chun and it's an old video but if you watch it you'll know who is the wingchun guy is
It's interesting. Thanks to your channel and watching Qi La La grow, Chong Xie's work on fascia and Tai Chi, and my own training in Tai Chi (a few months in), I'm really beginning to what Chinese Martial Arts are all about (at least the Nei Jia/Internal Schools). They are all about maintaining structure and using the full body to dominate via "Jin", body connection, Qi, whatever. Different CMAs have different ways of using this, and once I understood this, it seems rather silly to think that this stuff can't be used. Under those specific conditions, if you have been training properly, you can really feel the Jin or Qi developing, which correlates with looseness. The first round really showed Qi La La applying these concepts well. WC punching is not about pitty patty chain punches but using the entire structure to charge in. You can see the other guy's structure broken consistently. After that Qi La La got tired and interestingly and somewhat ironically, once that happens, you can see the MT guy maintaining his structure better simply with conventional techniques as he was starting to chase Qi La La down. The weakness I think is that to maintain the conditions for the rooted structure makes the footwork slower. All these can be compensated with more training, and IMO, going in and out of the "rootedness" so that you can root when you want and be ultra mobile when you want will be the most important thing in applying Nei Jia styles to a real fight. Regardless, Qi La La has shown that the concepts work, that they can be build upon and integrated into a complete fighting style in modern combat sports. They are just incomplete, because they are specialists, just like how you can't solely train BJJ to prepare for MMA. I myself plan to experiment once I have developed more internally and to spar with some MMA guys in the near future. This is not even discussing the health and pure physical benefits of developing internal strength, which will also improve your conventional techniques.
I know you’re biased because you’re friends with Qi La La or whatever you two like to do in private but are there any videos of him competing outside of Chinese organizations?
Very interesting. The Wing Chun like knock down punches in the first round, is similar to a scene from the Ip Man movie. Never saw one done in real life.
@@elenchus Slightly different. It didn't start with a typical boxing stance. It wasn't a boxing guard, and the punch is starting from a point lower than the shoulder. Such a punch can hardly bring down the opponent even if it hits the face or chin, but this time the opponent is down.
People who think why the muay thai guy didn't go for leg kick is because its easily countered and I do muaythai and I've seen people do what they're good at like I go for calf kick and teap and roundhouse to the head more . I don't prefer clinch and keep my distance . Im 6.2 and most guys I found were shorter than me .
Самые результативные удары с обеих сторон были боксерские. А вин чун - молодец! В вин чун правильно стали делать ставку на физическую форму. Удары руками, броски. Вполне конкурентно выглядел.
I can tell qi la la trains in different disciplines besides wing chun to be honest I think he might be the next bruce lee also qi La la Wing Chun is also very modified from what I see but kudos to qi la la for stepping in the ring.
If Only Qi La La was a bit younger and stronger, he would be a serious force. He gets tired easily now and loses power fast. But for a middle aged WC hobbyist to fight bigger and younger guys like this one, is incredible. And if only WC was trained in a more practical and applicable way. It looks like a very clever and functional martial art full of good techniques.
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Jerry, don't forget to tell viewers about the face reveal at 12:33
Qi La La is doing more to improve Wing Chun than anyone since Bruce Lee. I love that this dude is seriously pressure testing his fighting skills and applying Wing Chun techniques in an intelligent manner. Obviously he isn't stopping anyone like a true pro MMA fighter, but this is entertaining and informative, Qi La La is the most legit Wing Chun fighter I have seen in the modern Era, for sure.
Totally.
@@FightCommentary FCB replied to me!!! I just want to quickly say I love your channel and I hope you keep it going for as long as you can! Thank you for well over a year of entertainment!
he has won mma pro fighters,search and you will see the maches....
Qi La La deserves way more credit than Bruce Lee; Lee was an actor and a martial arts enthusiast with an alleged history of street fighting. Qi La La is a serious martial arts competitor and pioneer...and to do this at almost 40 no less.
@@aquiredskill qi la la has the purest wing chun out there,if you cant see it then you dont have a clue of what wing chun look like in the real life and you have been confused by the movies or by fraud fake "masters"..
Doing some research about WC at the moment. Perfect video for that. Thanks Jerry!
watch the ip man movies.hehe
You really should add the WC to your tool belt. The sensitivity training with the trapping, fighting to the outside is almost like a cheat code in sparring. Everyone out there is right that if WC practitioners don’t spar it’s a mess. The WC/JKD sensitivity training gives a quick trap edge that becomes all muscle memory. It takes a few months. I don’t think with your training it’s necessary to complete the WC system but getting tools like the bong sao were so helpful for me when I blended it with sport karate/kenpo. As a matter of fact there were a few WC issues that could be detrimental. Such as hand placement in the fighting stance. If you are fighting in an alley WC is great. Open ring not so much. That’s why I like JKD better. It covers all the ranges.
You can’t beat the conditioning of Muay Thai. At my age and asthma I have less than a minute and half at full burn. If I had the time to really train I’d like to raise that number. I love watching these guys so dedicated to attain this level of fitness. It takes so much courage to put themselves out there like this. I really thought WC guy had it this time. He was beautiful right out of the gate.
If ground fighting was really allowed Qi La La would have definitely won that in the first round also mad respect to Qi La La for pretty much trying to sharpen Wing Chun by doing all these fights and figuring out what works and what doesn’t. If only others would try to follow in his footsteps and try to basically reform Wing Chun than it would be so much more fun and interesting to see rather than just being a joke
you can't "reform" a martial arts system that has existed for thousands of years. you can however find the fault in the classical approach, the useless movements, the unnecessary forms, and decide to, much like a sculptor stripping away material until only the beautiful artwork remains, improve and evolve your martial arts to the peak of human capacity. but you don't have to because Lee already did that for us. Jeet Kune Do, the Way of the intercepting Fist.
(r.i.p.lee)
@@Itemtotem yes you can reform it if people are willing to
@@xxbatman69xx98 to "reform" is to re-form. If you re-form dough into cake it isn't bread.
@@Itemtotem I get what your saying however I do just believe that if enough people want to change something it can be done; they would need to take the parts that work and constantly test their techniques
@@xxbatman69xx98 you are talking about a very old system that already did that.
That first round was so slick it looked like a tekken fight
Leroy v Fahkumram
yea
Really Qi La La is 37 years old? He looks 25, man...
It’s the Kungfu making him young 🤩
Qui La La's path to find an application in combat of his Kung Fu style is epic, thank you for showing us all his development combat after combat
Well wing Chun worked.This guy is enough proof that wing Chun works if you have sparring.
The first guy I have seen who is using chinese marital arts in real life
I think you love saying, "Qi La La."
Qi la la
And I love hearing it
Who wouldn’t?
I think I might use that as my new expression of surprise at something.
Much respect to Qi La La for putting his money where his mouth is. He'll help evolve wing chun and traditional kung fu in general.
He's not using Kung Fu or wing Chun in his fights
He is though, it's just that all striking arts with similar rulesets look basically the same. Wing Chun (actual sparring/fighting wing chun) looks essentially like kickboxing but with more of a punching emphasis. @@وسىم-ك5ت
@@وسىم-ك5ت Not formal old fashion orthodoxed Wing Chun for sure but a version of martial arts heavily influenced with southern kung fu elements tailored to the cage fighting format. It is very entertaining to watch for sure.
Qi La La wins this fight with better cardio period. Love watching this guy fight and apply his Wing chun. Awesome representative for the Wing Chun community. No doubt he'll come back stronger then before!
it wasn't a cardio difference, or at least, it wasn't entirely a cardio difference. QLL went 100% in round one while the Muay Thai fighter wisely went 60-70% in round one, conserving energy and learning his opponent. Due to QLL's preference for hands-down/chin-up postures, he was subsequently annihilated by elbows which would have cut his face to ribbons without the elbow pads because the MT guy both had the energy and knew how QLL would behave under pressure.
So while more cardio wouldn't hurt, he needs to employ a smarter strategy. Almost anyone would be depleted if they blitzed for an entire round straight. Just try punching a heavy bag as hard and as fast as you can for 3 to 5 minutes even without the real-world stress of someone threatening to hit you right back. So unless you just happen to be an amazing athlete (i.e. a lifelong wrestler), you're going to have to fight smarter. Even in my prime I couldn't have maintained that pace.
@Cellar Door maybe, but he was tired because he went hard against someone going light (in round 1, that is). That's what created this perception that he was very dominant, you have an MT guy following proven MT strategy of having a light first round to study an opponent who is absolutely blitzing. It looks very impressive, but it is a very classic mistake against MT opponents.
He would have done much better if he conserved energy in the first round and spent that time figuring out his opponent. Blasting all of your energy means you're probably going to get seriously injured in the subsequent round. Tired fighters become injured fighters, so it's up to you to fight smart and use whatever stamina you've got wisely.
Aye! Quit smoking, Qi La La.
@ben esterberg it was literally a lucky shot that honestly dazed him. You clearly see the difference in skill if you know anything about fighting.
I can’t believe I found so many wing chun techniques , concepts and principles being applied here.
Round 1
Qi La La floored his opponent with simple straight punches. If you look properly it was done with the Vertical Fist which is something taught in wing chun. He also utilised the centreline theory whereby the shortest distance is a straight line!
He also use a low Gan sao to swipe away his opponent’s front kick
He uses the front kick and side kick cry frequently
Look at how he threw his opponent to the cage, he used The wing chun second form chum kiu to turn his hips and to offset his opponent balance.
He also ducked to avoid punches to the head. This can be found in the ending part of third form of wing chun Biu Jee
He also used a pak Sao to parry his opponent punch
The second time he threw his opponent to the floor, he once again showed the wing chub second form chum kiu in turning the hips to do it.
He also used a tan gerk (leg check) to block his opponent’s inside round house kick
If you look at his close fighting, he always applies the sticking concept which is taught in wing chun chi sau. This allows you to sense your opponent’s intention and to react quicker than him. It also provides you with a certain degree of control.
He regularly used the neck grab which can be found in the wing chun wooden dummy form to control his opponent.
The only thing which is something not taught often in wing chun is the leg trip which he did at the start of round 1
At one point, he even did a tan Sao to block an enemy’s punch! The commentator even showed the replay of the Tan Sao in slow motion
Round 2
After a successful round 1, the tides turned.
Qi La La didn’t recover from an early blitz by his opponent. You could see that he ran out of stamina. He couldn’t keep his hands up and couldn’t defend any basic attacks.
Whilst he lost 19-18, I believe he lost due to his stamina. His wing chun was clear and superior in Round 1 but for round 2, his lack of stamina brought him down.
And what? He’s 37? Close to 40?
In the UFC, only 32% of fighters are 35 years and above. Moreover, the win % of fighters who are 36yo and above is below 50%.
All i saw was typical martial arts behaviour that fall back to basic boxing under real pressure.
even tho I am happy to see Wing Chun work here I respectfully, but totally disagree with your statement here. I have seen this so much when Wing Chun guys and even teachers see a boxer cover up his face they scream pak sao bong sao or when sb uses a vertical first it's clearly a wing chun punch and such. Even tho this might be true, it is kinda pointless to point that out, because there are so many movements in the wing chun forms, you can literally interpret any technique from almost any fighting style into there and claim this is all wing chun at work (it might be smarter to ask yourself what techniques that are usually taught in wing chun are not being used here; you'll probably get the much longer list that way). Also you have to differentiate between good technique and a good application of technique. The vast majority of wing chun schools, unfortunately, prefer to reach a level of exellence in the former, but completely ignore the latter. Unfortunately wing chun focuses soooo much on the so superior techniques that it tends to forget the really important stuff. On the other hand wing chun has some really smart concepts that are not really found in many other martial arts and I really like it for that. This is not supposed to be hate. I have practised WT for 6 years and I love it still (I also think Qi La La did well here). I just think that with your way of thinking you would constantly produce the inferior fighters compared to a more modern approach with maybe wing chun training and technique concepts added to modern MMA training. I'm also sure that not all wing chun schools are equal and there are certainly ones that produce good fighters. However those probably deviate a little from the commonly used teaching methods / curriculum of the average wing chun school. From my personal experience, however, and from what the internet has to offer about it, it's pretty evident that this would be an exception and that the average wing chun guy still suffers from the same known wing chun problems, even tho he might come from a school that claims to be better than the average wing chun school. I hope this makes sense and I hope you appreciate me talking my time to give my point of view and that you don't react like the average wing chun guy does when he experiences wing chun being criticised :)
I appreciate any form of contructive discussion from anyone who feels like talking wing chun a little :D
@@Zayaraq
Hi there, thanks for the long reply. What is your image of Wing Chun then?
All I did was explained what I saw. So, I do not understand your phrase that ‘I disagree with your statement’. I do understand that there are overlaps between martial arts. I mean humans only have 4 limbs, and our joints only move in certain manners (elbow and knee joint can only extend and flex, shoulder joint is a ball and socket joint). Thus, we only have a very limited range of movements, which would explain the overlaps in martial arts. I know very well also that the Oblique Kick in Wing Chun is taught in Muay Thai and Savate.
I don’t understand what you mean by when a boxer cover ups, people scream pak Sao and bong Sao?
My way of thinking? I haven’t even informed you of the way I think about wing chun. All I did was explained and elaborate the techniques/principles/concepts used in wing chun.
Okay, so you if you’re asking for my opinion on Wing Chun. Here it is.
In every WC move, you can either learn :
- the physical structure of it (shape of arms/hands)
- the energy input of it (spiralling energy/generation of power from a short distance/relaxation and etc)
- the principles of it (centreline theory/simultaneous defend-attack/2 vs 1 hand positioning/blind side and etc).
It’s a concept based martial arts, it’s up to you to learn whatever you want.
I personally do MMA (BJJ and Muay Thai to be specific) and Wing Chun. For me, I personally have my favourite techniques for every martial arts. Even in my wing chun school, everyone has their own preference. Most of my friends rarely utilise any kicks but for me, I somehow have the propensity to kick more often than them. So yeah, everyone’s wing Chun is definitely different. Body size, height, training regime all matter.
You mentioned something rather confusing,which is pointing out techniques that don’t exist? I mean what? So do you want me to list down all the submissions form BJJ and all the nage wazas from Judo that were not being used? Or do you actually mean by what is a better method/technique to be used in that particular situation?
For me, I don’t make claims that my Wing Chun School is better than the average wing chun school. Because honestly, I don’t know how other schools practise their martial arts. I have heard that other school teachers won’t even teach you the application of it and would ask you to do the wing Chun forms every lesson. My wing chun school doesn’t train me that way. I personally don’t train wing chun by standing and doing the forms all day. My school doesn’t have a heavy emphasis on chi sau. My lineage is a combination of Choy Li Fut and Wing Chun. Thus, the practitioners here can easily switch between CLF and WC depending on the situation. Every week, when we have lessons, each of us would present a scenario for our wing chun instructor and asked him how would wing chun deal if person A does X action. My instructor doesn’t claim to know it all but would do his best to provide us with a possible solution to it.
Thus, when you mention the same known wing chun problems, unfortunately I don’t know what you mean.
Regarding the vertical fist, I do think it’s highly important to mention it as not many martial arts practise the vertical fist. When I attended my first boxing session, I always told to always punch horizontally. Even when I sparred with my Muay Thai and Karate friends, somehow they always do the horizontal punch.
@@samur4061
It’s completely normal for a non wing chun person to say such stuffs.
Before I started learning Wing Chun, I always had the impression that wing chun exist like in the Ip Man movies. However, in reality, I realised that real life wing chun =/= Ip Man movies wing chun.
And yeah don’t worry, even pure wing chun practitioners will say thay Qi La La does Muay Thai/Kick-Boxing/Boxing. If you watch all the comments about Qi La La on the previous fight commentary breakdown videos, many of them said Qi La La does kickboxing instead of wing Chun . So yeah just to let you know, you are one of the first few to say that Qi La La does boxing instead of kick boxing 😂.
@@J3Cho I don't know what you would like to see. Just google wing chun und see what the teachers present the martial art like. You can clearly see how focused they are on how the single techniques are supposed to work instead of showing live drilling for example. Now I bet there are exceptions, but nothing significant that I know of. I would be really happy if you knew any, tho! Most of my comment came from personal experience, tho. My dojo was kinda special probably, because the average age was really high and this showed in the intensity of the training.... I occasionally left the gym feeling colder than when I came in. This is usually not as bad, but still wing chun seems to often think that technique is so much more valuable than strengh and endurance that they tend to neglect it.
Maybe it makes sense when I try to explain my views of wing chun, because I'm not sure what yt video will explain this best: In short I think it is one of the closest traditional martial arts to actual combat that has not quite made it yet. often wing chun training includes elements like free lat sao training, basic ground fighting, trapping rage emphasis and stressing the importance of reflexes and the training methods that lead to those reflexes. important stuff for fighting that is often not implemented in wing chun training are strength and conditioning, failure management - when your chi sao reflexes fail and you get into a bad position (which is quite likely with wing chun, since you like it so close and the techniques are usually quite open in non ideal situations) you must know a lot about movement, covering your head and footwork to realistically recover into a better position. since usually most time is spend on offense to end a fight as quickly as possible not much is done to help defense, which is important , because things tend to not go as planned a lot in fighting. I think that an implementation of boxing footwork and covers could immensely help to fix those problems. On top of that there is no quality control. The fighting ability of the teachers is almost always established by stories about their street encounters. This is not scientific and often leads to confirmation bias: When you work as a bouncer and knock around twenty people from the street there is arguably very little proof of your actual fighting abilitly, because there's very little chance of encountering skilled fighters. Those street encounters are often displayed as being even more of a proof for fighting ability than any professional form of combat sports, because 'in da streetz' you fight 'for real' and not playflight like in the ring, which does not make much sense, because of the reasons above. I hope this argument does not cause too many emotional responses, but this is just how I see it. At the very least doing film studies of dozens of professional fights with two very skilled opponents and calculating the hightest percentage techniques etc. is the more scientific approach compared to stories from street fighting. So you see I have a lot of hate and a lot of love for the wing chun system, even tho the negative points were expressed here in much more detail of course. I hope this clears up my view of the wing chun system. Keep in mind this is my personal experience and does not necessarily display experiences from anybody else - I'm convinced, tho, that my experience is the norm, not the exception. Maybe you would like to explain your view of the wing chun system just like I did here, if you don't mind? I'm honestly pretty curious about that! I just remembered that in the beginning I wanted to explain this in short, guess I like talking wing chun. I hope this did not seem too negative and rather contructive.
That palm screen is crazy, man😂 last time I see it in a film with Jet Li as the MC.
The first round was hilarious 🤣. Also, no third round :(. Great fight from Qi La La regardless. Did pretty good using his wing chun.
I suspect the fight was stopped at the end of the 2nd round.
Yeah I was impressed. He's 37 but he keeps getting better and better.
Qi La La is experiencing the very circumstances behind Lee's necessary development of JKD. So perfectly this fits even because Lee used WC against Wong Jack Man and the fight lasted too long for Bruce's liking. WC had the reputation for ending fights quickly, and when Lee's battle extended beyond 3 minutes and he realized he was tired from chasing the guy around, he began to develop JKD.
Proud of our man Qi la la. Good fight spirit! Making wingchun from the goofy dance to the deadly combative art it was supposed to be. Always got my man’s back doesn’t matter if he wins or looses! Great performance!👏🏻👏🏻💪🏻🔥
Qi La La (Zhan Gui)'s concerns re: conditioning are for real. When I was training in Wing Chun, we spent a LOT of time developing muscle sensitivity in our forearms so we can sense "twitch" movements in opponents for our sticky hands drills. This was all excellent, but I had to go completely outside of my training schedule to fit in extra weight-lifting and running and the time investment to do both at the same time was significant. Qi La La definitely showed he invested in weights/power training though by throwing those bombs in Round 1!!
I always enjoy watching Qi la la's fights. It's nice to see his journey in making something that has maintained an almost uselessness to become something fairly effective
uselessness?wut?it was never that the case with wing chun.Maybe it was from the self proclaimed fraud masters!But from chu song tin and wong sheunn leung (qi la la is a wsl btw) it was always legit.btw those 2 where the only ones that they where allowed to teach in ip mans school after he passed away.
@@wingchunFTW you can't exactly say never when even this channel has shown wing chun practitioners get destroyed, master or not. Ref: Xu Xiaodong
@@derekv4552 i agree with you but the ones that got destroyed here and ehat ever where not from those 2 wing chun official line ages that i said.
@@wingchunFTW Yu Changhua is official lineage and got beat by a one-armed mma practitioner/boxer 🤷🏻. Just to reiterate, I never said it's completely useless. It can serve as a good base, as Qi la la has demonstrated, but needs to evolve or adapt. I wish I could remember which clip is also on this channel where an older master even stated that chinese martial arts are not what they once were and are more akin to a dance anymore
@@derekv4552 what are you talking about?the guy that lost was not from the 2 official line ages that i am talking so get your facts right...he was self proclaimed bullshit master and stuff...wing chun done proper doesnt need anything else exept.if you want to use it in the ring though because of the rules and gloves you must adjust ot it and learn some ground wrestling.i dont say that wing chun from this 2 line ages wiĺl turn you to ip man from the movies.what i say is that if you want to see the official wing chun you must search those 2 lineages that i mentioned and not in william cheng and leung tin bullshits
Since he is a wing chum fighter i think Qi La La should use more the oblique kick
Qi lala strength in closing distance and catching them when they drop or, set their weight. Oblique kicks just to maintain distance and making them do over extend for a counter.
@@eddefy22in WC you throw the oblique kick at the legs
That's what muay thai fighters do. They're really slow in the first round or two then they proceed to ramp up overwhelming you in the later rounds.
I have noticed that. Must be a strategy for multi-round fights or longer fights in the ring. Probably not advised for street fights that are best ended as quickly as possible.
Whoever is putting dislikes should be ashamed of themselves. Probably jelaousy lol. But for real though, it is very refreshing to see wing chun not get stomped till kindom come...
Good control, adaptability, and modernization of his fighting style from the gentleman utilizing Wing Chun.
Props to Qi La La for altering his WC and trying to make it more functional....but if he keeps fighting he's really risking his health!
Great comment about the 1-2, or jab-cross. It seems like such a simple combo, and such a beginner's combo, that people just take it for granted and want more fancy or complex moves. But if you've got a solid 1-2 you'll always be dangerous in the ring or on the street!
Both badass fighters, massive respect to Qi La La for sending you the fight even though he lost.
I see several exchanges in which Qi La La lands the last punch, and often with a slow, calculated, long-hanging punch (like Muay Thai guy's punches) that doesn't look hard until it lands. THANK YOU for sharing this awesome fight
The pad covered elbows are something like swords in sheaths.
Thank you Jerry for keeping us entertained, you the man and your contents are always awesome... I am thoroughly amazed by Qi La La, he did Wing Chun proud... And I have no doubt that Qi would win, had he a better cardio... Love it 👍👍👍
Excellent! Thanks for sharing this.. I thought both fighters had a lot of heart. Being a life long Wing Chun student I do better without gloves than I do with gloves. I find that the sensitivity aspects of Wing Chun are harder to use with them on.
Maybe try using hybrid or karate gloves
Maybe wing chun should fight with Lethwei or UFC with no gloves/wraps
Kung fu critics: Kung fu styles are rigid and drowned in tradition. They need to modernize!
Also Kung fu critics: I see no Kung fu here, it's all kickboxing.
So true!
Every standing martial art can be considered as Kick Boxing / Boxing (if you don't use kick). It is true even in China. Because there are a lot of kungfu styles in China that use boxing / fist in their name. Tay Chi Quan (Quan = Boxing / Fist ), Wu Zu Quan, Tai Zu Quan, Baqi Quan, Xinyi Quan, etc. Even Wing Chun can be considered as boxing in China. But there are also kungfu styles that use palm (Zhang). Like Pagua Zhang, etc.
Props to the muay thai guy to came back at the 2nd ground. It is a great fight and both fighters gave their best.
It's refreshing to see Wing Chun be effective for once
A Muay Thai man not launching leg kicks??!! Where the heck did he learn??!!
punches and elbows
I thought the same, but I think he was overly concerned with the hands.
@Avenging Demon leg kicks would help negate that threat.
This muy thai guy was shit ngl
@@ray_x6959 Either that, or he forgot which art he represents. Lol.
AWESOME start to this fight. Qi La La's head movement is playful, unpredictable and confident. Watch Qi Lala's head at 0:26, right before Qi La La gets punched. Thn watch it again at 0:31, right before the flash knockout. It causes premature, frustrated response from opponents, punches that "gamble" as to whether or not they will connect, -- instead of choosing shots better,
I've always said it's not the techniques that let practitioners of certain styles down but the lack of tendancy to apply and pressure test them. This is a good demonstration of wing chun being applied properly.
This is like watching a fight commentary by videogamedunkey. I love it.
Wow that was intense. And I think he has really gotten better too. Just thought it was a little weird for him to tire so fast. I remember him having pretty good cardio. By the way, slowing down the video really helps to see the wing chun interceptions.
It's bc he forgot to breathe
@@ryanliu6694 Yeah, and he got an adrenaline dump too fast.
@travis Clearly you have no idea who qi la la is.
@travis Bro then he's not a strictly "wooden dummy not enough cardio" guy. For real man, respect their art. He's beaten a lot of Muay Thai guys. This guy was just better than the other Muay Thai guys
This is a 40 year old man rag dolling a prime muaytai fighter with wing Chun
Great fight I don't know how many times I said WOW! Excellent commentary.
Yeah, please give Rob some encouragement too!
The basics will always be golden: Your ability to judge distance, your space, opponent's space and openings. The technique honestly by that point is what ever you feel like using. I know I may be scorched for this like a professional fighting game player, once the core rules are understood and mastered any character/style becomes viable to victory.
Very good fight. U can actually see many of the Wing Chun stuff here is actually valid. It makes sense. Even though that might sound funny its not many times u see this stuff actually work. Due to that and fighting non standard he produced clear advantage in the 1st round. I truly hope to see more of that guy in the future
What rules is this btw can you kick when your opponent is down? coz the muay thai guy try to cheat that couple of time
No soccer kicks, knees, or elbows to downed opponent. No stomps either.
QLL attempted to exploit the Muay Thai preference for light first rounds. He went 100% for an early KO finish, which is a classic error from Roufus vs. Changpuek all the way back in '88. People vastly underestimate MT's conditioning and stamina, they fail to lock in the KO (even if there is a bad knockdown, just as in the Roufus fight) and then they just get annihilated in the subsequent rounds, often leading to injuries. He was effectively saved by elbow pads since his head would have been bleeding gratuitously halfway through round 2 (no doubt why they have the elbow pads, to prevent TKOs and slowdowns from inspection which make for a less exciting fight).
That said, his judo/BJJ training was very dominant here, and I think he should have leaned on that more which could have slowed the action, preserving energy while scoring points. In the future, I think he'd be wise to focus on the grappling aspect since he seems to be pretty good at it.
Well said brother lol a lot of Thai's tend to do that feel out. Then finish strong in the later rounds. What we have against other striking arts. Is our Conditioning, grit and fight experience. We're to advance because we are constantly fighting and evolving
No mention of the good wing chun he used?
I personally think Wing Chun is a useless art. Hands down chin up. Slappy Arm punches . Just being honest. I know Qi La La. Is the only hope. But let's be REAL. He fights ametuers MT fighters from Taiwan. Taiwan is not even ranked as a Power house in MT. Like the dutch, and Aussies. And hes getting beat. Ya your boy is good for Wing Chun but a rookie when it comes to fighting.
@@Thongsai bruh qll also an amateur ...
@P K That's not the Wing chun he used... at all.
Can anybody tell me what actually kickboxing and MMA are? Are they a style or a type of style?
Kickboxing (including Muay Thai) is a game where you fight with punches and kicks while standing (stop attacking if one get knocked down or fall).
The MMA is free to wrestle or use Jiu-Jitsu submission techniques even when one person falls to the floor until one person surrenders or the referee stops the match.
It's hard to really nail down, but here's the best answer.
Kickboxing is a variety of styles that combine punching to the body and head (the boxing element) and kicking. Originally, kickboxing came from a combination of kyuokushin karate and Western boxing, with significant influence from Muay Thai. This style still exists now, usually called Dutch kickboxing (which, while confusing in terms of name, did originally come from Japan via Dutch students). As time has gone on, it has continued to absorb more of a Thai influence in its kicking, while remaining much closer to boxing in its punching. Generally, when people just say the word kickboxing, they're referring to one of the major kickboxing sports (K1 or Glory), which, in terms of techniques, are most similar to Dutch kickboxing (lots of boxing, lots of roundhouse kicks, very little push kicks/teeps, very little clinch fighting).
These days there are a variety of styles of kickboxing, and whether or not you include Muay Thai in the umbrella of kickboxing or treat it as its own thing varies from person to person. What I will say is that if you got to a "kickboxing" promotion, lots of Muay Thai techniques will usually be banned, so for practical purposes, I separate them.
There are other styles of kickboxing, too, like American kickboxing, which is very similar to karate kicks with boxing punches and is more restrictive than other forms of kickboxing.
Another style is called sanda, or Chinese kickboxing. Sanda combined elements from modern kickboxing and Muay Thai along with techniques from judo and wrestling to create a unique style.
MMA: There are basically two ways to think of MMA. One is the most literal sense, which is now basically obsolete--in that sense, any combination of two or more different martial arts is MMA. This is how people used the term in the '90s into the mid-2000s, basically combing jiujitsu + a striking style (usually Muay Thai, sometimes kickboxing, sometimes boxing, sometimes karate).
Today MMA is much less experimental than it was, and we've basically identified five styles, plus a couple of honorable mentions, that when combined in various degrees, create what we call MMA, namely the striking styles of boxing, kickboxing, or Muay Thai, and the grappling styles of jiujitsu or wrestling.
To simplify our contemporary understanding of MMA, you can use this formula: MMA is when you combine one or more of boxing, kickboxing, or Muay Thai AND one or more of Brazilian jiujitsu or wrestling (usually this refers to freestyle or folkstyle, but can sometimes be Greco-Roman). You must have at least one of those three striking styles and at least one of those two grappling styles.
Today, we don't normally see such clean stylistic division. These days, specialist MMA gyms are very popular for training, and in these gyms you will almost always learn some of all five of these styles in order to be complete, even though you will generally specialize in just one or two of them.
For instance, you must at least be competent with the hand skills of boxing, the kicking skills of kickboxing, and the clinch skills of Muay Thai to have any chance of being competitive in MMA standup. Likewise, you must be familiar with wrestling takedowns and with jiujitsu submissions or you will be a sitting duck.
I said earlier that there were two honorable mentions in MMA, and those would be judo and karate. Neither of which has become so successful that you absolutely must include them in your game, but there are enough successful fighters with significant backgrounds in those styles in pro MMA that they have also proven their value.
Now all that's left is to sit back and wait for the angry responses.
@@kmch7286 You gotta be kidding me. Mma just means mixed martial arts mot just grappling. Look at anderson Silva's portfolio: muaythai, jujitsu, wrestling, boxing, capeoria, tae kwon do, wingchun, jet kune do. It's no one particular style but all that mixed into one. Some people it works. Other's just become jack of all trades but masters of none.
Very interesting fight. I would like to point out some things I've noticed.
Depending on rulings of the specific circuit they are fighting in, Muay Thai fighters may start slow in the first rounds. Also the small gloves does not necessarily help a defensive Muay Thai fighter. They are typically reliant on keeping a distance more so than blocking punches.
Wing Chun is very fast from what I observed (it's also interesting to see that they like to punch using their ring and pinkie knuckle as opposed to all other boxers). Muay Thai focuses a lot on touchness more than on speed so if you take advantage of the situation in the first round there is a chance you can knock them out early.
Any martial artist who studied oriental style of grappling like Judo and Karate has greater tools for grappling than Muay Thai. Muay Thai grappling is actually very limited and in their traditional ruleset it is illegal to use hip throws or even to trip by kicking at the opponent's shins, so even though they have some skill, it's optomised to fight other Muay Thai fighters. Also Muay Thai has 0 ground work so being on the ground is extremely dangerous.
Finally someone that uses Wing Chun for MMA in the ring! Its great to see its can still be effective.
Bahh spoke too soon and commented after the first round.
@@lapchiduong , I think Wing Chun is garbage, but Qi La La is great at polishing shit. He was using WC very well, but the cardio got him unfortunatelly.
@@handsomeguy3857 exactly.
@@canaldesugestoesa6651 That's true!
Dude I practiced wing chun for two years Qui La La is amazing!
Wholy crap! What great aplication of traditional technique on both sides! I'm so proud of qi la la for his dedication.
This might be the closest we can get to a real life equivalent of the elevator/hallway fight in Ip Man 3.
Ngl this kinda makes me want to mix Boxing and Wing Chun and see how that works, because good gracious that's cool as heck. Feel like if you work hard enough on the two styles you can mix em well enough to do well. At worst it's stilll a fun thing to learn
Good fucking fight man. Lots of heart and technique on both sides. What you love to see.
Wow Very Good Sir
Oss!
Respect from Pakistan!!
Like others have said. Muay thai usually allows some time to scope the opponent out before attacking. It is like a slow burn usually. Fighters start heavy and "bang out" usually. They see the opponents style before committing fully. They also have insane conditioning as you all know, but their cardio is also ridiculously.underrated.
They slowly build up the pace which is why you see the end of round 2 the momentum changes massively and the MT style takes over. By round 2 it is game set match.
Karate, Taekwondo and other styles like Wing Chun are more explosive and faster to strike with, but the follow through power isnt there and it isnt as realistic. Muay thai has been tried and tested for real life combat. Thats all it is. No fancy stuff, just simple destruction of the opponent. You can tell by his opponent keeping his hands low that he was gonna get rocked eventually. Keeping your hands low looks cool, but anyone who has boxing or kickboxing experience knows to keep your head protected or else rippppp
The main thing I noticed is there was ZERO head movement from either fighter which led to them being so vulnerable to the straight right.
Finally, a decent wing chun match, I've been seeing people who are "wing chun" experts get smashed in most of the videos
This give me back the faith in wing chun, the deserves all the respect to prove the WC in action, not only in words or in the cliché "did you saw Ip man XIII? , he defeated 30 sumo fighters, thats the prove wing chun no fake", he lost but he tries to return the face to WC. By the way, impresive the Muay thai man.
I think the important part is that if you are keen and have the time expose yourself to a feel disciplines but focus on understanding and perfectly the fundamentals. Also if you choose a style that naturally aligns with your body type and attributes then the more effective that would be.
I'm obviously biased, having come up in muay thai, but the wing Chun guy is really making it work.
Wow real Wing Chun and somebody using full body power. Great fight both guys are warriors!
That actually very entertaining fight especially from Wing Chun guy...
This video has changed my mind on Wing Chun. It certainly is not useless as I previously believed.
Damn this is very great improvement!!!👍👍👍
wing chun guy was doing very well until he blew his load and his conditioning weakened him for the second round. he's clearly a hobbyist but he's a good one at that. if he was a full time professional then he would have worked more on his conditioning, but kudos to his technique and timing. great find again jerry for these types of fights.
Where was the Wing Chun? I saw MMA skills, Muay Thai skills, but Wing Chun? Please point out one traditional Wing Chun technique applied in this fight.
MMA (mixed martial arts) meaning you’ll see techniques from all styles............... I’m not gonna sit here and keep doing periods because it would be soooooo many.
Its nog wing chun at all it’s all hype because wing chun sucks . They say he is wing chun so it’s wing chun lol. And this looks like a low class c fight .
A lot of the "techniques" in wing chun are more or less training tools to teach and demonstrate sensitivity and kinetic flow.
Chopped up and used in actual combat, wing chun (and other Chinese martial arts for that matter) just look like kickboxing with whatever specializations the art focuses on.
Wing chun lends itself well to clinch fighting and hand fighting (the whole purpose of sticky hands and trapping) which is why it looks like he using "Muay Thai skills". Sadly, the way it is taught doesn't explain this very well if at all.
Great chin on Qi La La - Really excellent first round. Round 2 showed he really needs to boost his conditioning though - he did well to stay on his feet but technically he just wasn't there in round 2. Was it a 2 round fight or did he retire? Good that he didn't fight a 3rd round - he would have been stopped for sure - just didn't have the gas. Still, if he can get to the point where he can fight 3 rounds like round 1 he'll be a force.
0:29 this is what Bruce Lee was talking about, there's no reason you can't punch down the centerline through your elbow but also extend it to the length of a boxing punch
What a surprise to see you talking about Bruce Lee lol
@@driver3899 well like mma fighter and analyst Dan Hardy says "I quote Bruce Lee every day" lol
@@stephanwatson7902 lol you're in good company then I guess
The first round was actually impressive, first time outside of movies Kung-Fu looks effective!
But no power at all, just quick and tricky.
i have to say i really like the idea of victor in this kind of mma striker fight... to be honest i really dont like mma because of the ground fights in it... i prefer this mma style without the ground fight...
The guy who represents Muay Thai doesn’t use many leg, knee and elbow strikes in the first round. Instead, he punches mainly. That’s why he doesn’t do well in the first round. I feel a Muay Thai guy should use powerful push front kicks or leg kicks more. Also, in Thai boxing, we tend to observe the opponent’s style and weapons first and conserve our energy in the first round and tend to increase the counter attacks, speed and power in the later rounds.
Dude this sound cool! Is your Muay-Thai training the real Muay-Thai?! Because my muay thai academy is pretty bad
I'd love to see how Yu Changhua or Ding Hao would've faired against the same opponent.
Ding Hao has some limited fighting ability. Yu Changhua is completely useless as a fighter. Both would have been knocked out in the first round and it would have been very, very quick for Yu Changhua.
they need QLL's MMA training and his fight experience
Epic Match!! Qi La La Rooocks! Making Wing Chun Real. That first round really showed up a lot of flashy stuff! Also very cool that Qi La La is getting fans this far, let's learn first wing chun form to show him support, Qi la la Challenge!
@travis i'm sorry dude, already watched again and now i have seen all his capoeira kicks, definitely he is an aikidoka
GODDAMN. That was awesome. I dont even care that the thai boxer got the leg up. I hope Qi La La works a little Biu Tze elbows into his game sometime in the future.
Still stupid people here write Qi LA LA makes Wing Chun work. Wing Chun works, regardless of him.
1. most WC guys dont compete, Masters being comparable to regular competing Thai Boxing guys in Training time.
2. Wing Chun is for glove less fight, bc Gloves drastically change how strong and how you can hit at all.
3. I know WC is more about concepts, but I dont see a lot of WC techniques in his style. But they work, I had mutliple occasions where saw it working.
Muay Thai guy's elbow chops and occasional hammer fists (especially with his stocky build) look to have been influenced by some kind of kungfu. Something about the timing, and the tremendous arm and shoulder strength required for a powerful straight up-and-down release that has a huge but very fast wind-up, even when the feet are moving or shifting. It's sort of like a Superman punch, but on a different axis. More like an axe-kick using the arms/fists instead of the leg. See?
3:11 that sideway stepping is simple yet beautiful. he doesnt have the strength in his punches so he borrowed them from that stepping. would have worked better in street fight without the gloves
Eaven though Qi Lala lost he is still a great contender representing Wing Chun! I'm sure will bounce back.
The real form of Muy Thai is even more dangerous and the stance is way down to the knees. They can explode with power into the air in a split second.
I really like Qi La La, but I would stop calling him a Wing Chun fighter. Nothing of what I have seen in this vid even remotely resembles WC. This is "just" MMA/kickboxing at this point.
I see lots of Wing Chun
@@hankwatt where?
@travis he is as much of a WC fighter as Tony Ferguson at this point. Nothing to scuff at, of course. Just, people shouldn't expect to see the second coming of Ip Man or, even worse, join a WC class in the hope to learn Qi La La's fighting style.
@travis really? Don't you want to be able to fight ten karatekas at the same time? :p
Is the MT guy a pro tho?lol... I feel like I'd do a far better job representing MT than this guy. Lol I just feel like his technique is very sloppy.
Love your vids man, keeeeeeeep it up!!
Traditional Muay Thai fighters are slow to start. They usually kick off their rhythm by the third round.
@@AroundElvesWatchUrselves96 I know I know, and traditionally we lack head movement lol.
I think he totally lit him up with elbows in round 2. I actually really liked his Muay Thai.
@@elenchus Admittedly, I didnt watch the whole thing before my first comment. Which I probably should have lol.
It isn't Muay Thai but Sanda.
This is so unfair Wing Chun has pants on while the Muay Thai has shorts it restricted his mobility and the weight of those pants it might be a couple of grams heavier, losing stamina after the first round kinda makes sense then. I’m clearly trolling here but good fight nonetheless
😂
You never know nowadays with WC fanboys.
Lmao this can't be real
Does anyone know more about Qi La La`s background in Wing Chun. Is he really a copyist?
He’s a Wong shun Leung lineage.
@@FightCommentary
Thank you very much for the answer.
Looks more like Duncan Leung or Gordon Lu to be honest. But Wong Shun Leung had many students though. Frankly, I miss something in his Wing Chun. So I wouldn't have put him in the WSL lineage. On the other hand he sells himself a lot better than almost all of the other Wing Chun guys I've seen so far.
Keep up the great work.
edit: I just saw his Chum Kiu and some Chi sao. Again, it looks pretty odd to me. Not too much WSL in my opinion.
That's great to see traditionalist are improving and we can see the development
how is this wing chun tho? looks to me like a standard fighting and not those fancy wing chun you see them practice.
You have to admit, all that training really payed off. It’s also crazy to watch Stand up fighters for to the ground like that. Personally he needs to work on pulling his arms back after a punch.
Gerard Gordeau won backpedaling vs Teila Tuli in UFC 1.
Search wingchun vs kick boxing amd you'll see that there are more people like qi la la that are good at using wing chun and it's an old video but if you watch it you'll know who is the wingchun guy is
It's interesting. Thanks to your channel and watching Qi La La grow, Chong Xie's work on fascia and Tai Chi, and my own training in Tai Chi (a few months in), I'm really beginning to what Chinese Martial Arts are all about (at least the Nei Jia/Internal Schools). They are all about maintaining structure and using the full body to dominate via "Jin", body connection, Qi, whatever. Different CMAs have different ways of using this, and once I understood this, it seems rather silly to think that this stuff can't be used.
Under those specific conditions, if you have been training properly, you can really feel the Jin or Qi developing, which correlates with looseness.
The first round really showed Qi La La applying these concepts well. WC punching is not about pitty patty chain punches but using the entire structure to charge in. You can see the other guy's structure broken consistently.
After that Qi La La got tired and interestingly and somewhat ironically, once that happens, you can see the MT guy maintaining his structure better simply with conventional techniques as he was starting to chase Qi La La down.
The weakness I think is that to maintain the conditions for the rooted structure makes the footwork slower. All these can be compensated with more training, and IMO, going in and out of the "rootedness" so that you can root when you want and be ultra mobile when you want will be the most important thing in applying Nei Jia styles to a real fight.
Regardless, Qi La La has shown that the concepts work, that they can be build upon and integrated into a complete fighting style in modern combat sports. They are just incomplete, because they are specialists, just like how you can't solely train BJJ to prepare for MMA. I myself plan to experiment once I have developed more internally and to spar with some MMA guys in the near future.
This is not even discussing the health and pure physical benefits of developing internal strength, which will also improve your conventional techniques.
I only see Qi La La fights Chinese, and only on Fight Commentary Breakdowns channel. Has Qi La La ever fought Lumpini or Rajadamnern champion?
I know you’re biased because you’re friends with Qi La La or whatever you two like to do in private but are there any videos of him competing outside of Chinese organizations?
My goal is in a few years to bring him to Thailand or get him to do some stuff in the US, so stay tuned ;)
Very interesting. The Wing Chun like knock down punches in the first round, is similar to a scene from the Ip Man movie. Never saw one done in real life.
they're just 1-2s. They're in virtually every style.
@@elenchus Slightly different. It didn't start with a typical boxing stance. It wasn't a boxing guard, and the punch is starting from a point lower than the shoulder. Such a punch can hardly bring down the opponent even if it hits the face or chin, but this time the opponent is down.
People who think why the muay thai guy didn't go for leg kick is because its easily countered and I do muaythai and I've seen people do what they're good at like I go for calf kick and teap and roundhouse to the head more . I don't prefer clinch and keep my distance . Im 6.2 and most guys I found were shorter than me .
In reality. Fight is over at 3:25
Самые результативные удары с обеих сторон были боксерские. А вин чун - молодец! В вин чун правильно стали делать ставку на физическую форму. Удары руками, броски. Вполне конкурентно выглядел.
That moment you realise one of the commentators sounds like BO from cams kicks 🤣
I can tell qi la la trains in different disciplines besides wing chun to be honest I think he might be the next bruce lee also qi La la Wing Chun is also very modified from what I see but kudos to qi la la for stepping in the ring.
If Only Qi La La was a bit younger and stronger, he would be a serious force. He gets tired easily now and loses power fast. But for a middle aged WC hobbyist to fight bigger and younger guys like this one, is incredible. And if only WC was trained in a more practical and applicable way. It looks like a very clever and functional martial art full of good techniques.
That up-elbow was snuck in so well
the attacks might not LOOK Wing Chun... but 3:40 and you tell what the fuck is those blocks....
Dude!?! “Asian No Raisin!?” Lol 😂
Wing Chun works as long as you don't do it right.
He was doing it right
@@rigniton7889 He means he adapted and isn't doing it like other people do.
But yes technically he did it right, because it worked lol
Both of them were good. Great fight buy qilala had a great gameplan in the first, caught the muay thai guy with some very unusual stuff