Love the collab! Watch both pods weekly. Do you really think Cal would take less than Realmuto? I think his 5/$115m is probably cal’s start point. Would you take 5/$125m or let him walk?
Problem is they kind of have to let Cal walk. They have beat him into the ground so far and if they have to move him to 1B or DH he loses half of his value.
Note that the Braves and Astros relied mostly on their farm system to build out their roster to win a World Series. The Astros and Braves used the draft, then develop the prospects to build their core before resorting to trades and free agents to plug their deficiencies. As Colton Swanson pointed out in the round the table, the increased in payroll was given mostly to their homegrown players. This is natural result of keeping a winning team together. The M’s have to first form a winning core, then spend the money on the core to win. Doing trades and buying free agents are the last resort to plug holes in the roster. To paraphrase Gary HIll Jr on the Couch GM podcast, the farm system is used so that you don’t have to buy an ENTIRE roster. The teams in the top 5 of payrolls are in larger markets than the Seattle. The M’s have to forge the own way to win a World Series much like Kansas City Royals did.
@@MarineLayerPod To paraphrase Colby Patnode , the M’s should follow the Braves, Astros, and Dodgers. They drafted and developed to build roster. They spent their money to extend the own players, but when the time is right and window is open, they would spend to fill holes in their lineup to get over the top. The key is not to BUY the ENTIRE roster through free agency. You need home grown players to fill out the roster and only use free agency to fill holes in the lineup. The M”s are not a big market team like NY or LA. Seattle is on the level of Detroit. Neilsen DMA ratings and Census data prove that out. As Colton Swanson said, we could spend money like the Rockies on Kris Bryant, but that lead to nowhere.
They followed the Braves model, just missed badly on Lewis, White, Toro and Kelenic. Jerry’s entire core is on the roster or has at least played for the team. So they only have two options, they need a $200 million plus payroll to buy or trade for a 1B, 3B and keep their homegrown guys or trade some of their MLB assets now for the next core. If they trade Kirby, Gilbert, Randy, and Cal or Julio, then they have cheap 2027 WS contender.
@@kyleloney4191 Seatltle is not spending $200M so be realistic. The M’s are mid-market team. Their budget should be between $172 to 175M. All the M’s need to do is just get better players at 1B, 2B , 3B or DH with the payroll under $175M. The fWAR score are for DH (1.4), 1B (2.1), 2B (2.4) or 3B (2.7) for the M’s. A combined 6 WAR improvement over those 2024 values for those positions will certainly achieve a playoff position. This’ll put us just behind the Dodgers. For example, getting Brent Rooker (DH 5.1 WAR) and Vlad Guerrero (1B 5.5 WAR) would put the M’s above 7.1 WAR over 2024 totals. Alex Bregman (3B 4.1 WAR) would only put 1.4 above 2024 totals.
Moneyball is 100% propoganda. The A’s didn’t win because they added those sabermetrics guys. They won because of all of the players who the movie didn’t show and the book marginalized and pretended they didn’t have the league MVP and Cy Young winner and 3 top 10 vote getters
There are few GM’s that have a track record of building a World Series team with very little resources. I can only think of Jeff Luhnow, but he will tear down the team. If you can suffer through 3 or 4 years of 100+ loss seasons, then Jeff Luhnow is the guy. Jeff tore it down to where the team spent as low as $14M on payroll to high of $44M during the lean years. Jeff has more to work with by trading away Julio, Gilbert and Cal for prospects.
13:00 thank you 28 teams have won the World Series while top 15 in payroll since 1995. Only 1 team has won the World Series while outside the top 15 in payroll. World Series Champion Opening Day Payroll Ranks, Wild Card era (1995-present) 2023 Rangers 9th 2022 Astros 8th 2021 Braves 10th 2020 Dodgers 2nd 2019 Nationals 3rd 2018 Red Sox 1st 2017 Astros 12th 2016 Cubs 4th 2015 Royals 12th 2014 Giants 10th 2013 Red Sox 3rd 2012 Giants 8th 2011 Cardinals 11th 2010 Giants 10th 2009 Yankees 1st 2008 Phillies 14th 2007 Red Sox 2nd 2006 Cardinals 11th 2005 White Sox 13th 2004 Red Sox 2nd 2003 Marlins 25th 2002 Angels 15th 2001 D-backs 8th 2000 Yankees 1st 1999 Yankees 1st 1998 Yankees 2nd 1997 Marlins 7th 1996 Yankees 1st 1995 Braves 3rd Source: USA Today
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They absolutely do! A total team approach rom the top down!
The mariners came into being two years before i did. I'm not gonna make it another 60+ years!
Based on what you predict, I’ll be dead before they finally win it all! 😩
Scared money don't make no money 🎵
This show rocks.
Thanks for watching!
Nice episode guys!
Thanks for watching!
Love the collab! Watch both pods weekly.
Do you really think Cal would take less than Realmuto? I think his 5/$115m is probably cal’s start point. Would you take 5/$125m or let him walk?
Problem is they kind of have to let Cal walk. They have beat him into the ground so far and if they have to move him to 1B or DH he loses half of his value.
The M's let Teoscar walk.
Note that the Braves and Astros relied mostly on their farm system to build out their roster to win a World Series. The Astros and Braves used the draft, then develop the prospects to build their core before resorting to trades and free agents to plug their deficiencies. As Colton Swanson pointed out in the round the table, the increased in payroll was given mostly to their homegrown players. This is natural result of keeping a winning team together. The M’s have to first form a winning core, then spend the money on the core to win. Doing trades and buying free agents are the last resort to plug holes in the roster. To paraphrase Gary HIll Jr on the Couch GM podcast, the farm system is used so that you don’t have to buy an ENTIRE roster. The teams in the top 5 of payrolls are in larger markets than the Seattle. The M’s have to forge the own way to win a World Series much like Kansas City Royals did.
That’s fine. But it also means the mariners must pay their core, and not trade them to save money
@@MarineLayerPod To paraphrase Colby Patnode , the M’s should follow the Braves, Astros, and Dodgers. They drafted and developed to build roster. They spent their money to extend the own players, but when the time is right and window is open, they would spend to fill holes in their lineup to get over the top. The key is not to BUY the ENTIRE roster through free agency. You need home grown players to fill out the roster and only use free agency to fill holes in the lineup. The M”s are not a big market team like NY or LA. Seattle is on the level of Detroit. Neilsen DMA ratings and Census data prove that out. As Colton Swanson said, we could spend money like the Rockies on Kris Bryant, but that lead to nowhere.
They followed the Braves model, just missed badly on Lewis, White, Toro and Kelenic. Jerry’s entire core is on the roster or has at least played for the team. So they only have two options, they need a $200 million plus payroll to buy or trade for a 1B, 3B and keep their homegrown guys or trade some of their MLB assets now for the next core. If they trade Kirby, Gilbert, Randy, and Cal or Julio, then they have cheap 2027 WS contender.
@@kyleloney4191 Seatltle is not spending $200M so be realistic. The M’s are mid-market team. Their budget should be between $172 to 175M. All the M’s need to do is just get better players at 1B, 2B , 3B or DH with the payroll under $175M. The fWAR score are for DH (1.4), 1B (2.1), 2B (2.4) or 3B (2.7) for the M’s. A combined 6 WAR improvement over those 2024 values for those positions will certainly achieve a playoff position. This’ll put us just behind the Dodgers. For example, getting Brent Rooker (DH 5.1 WAR) and Vlad Guerrero (1B 5.5 WAR) would put the M’s above 7.1 WAR over 2024 totals. Alex Bregman (3B 4.1 WAR) would only put 1.4 above 2024 totals.
3B Yoán Moncada！
Víctor Robles 2.0！！
Mike Salk regarding WS winners and payroll amount - "pOsT hOc eRgO pRoPtEr hOc, sMaLl sAmPlE sIzE" 🥴
@@wwbaker3 Salk is a moron and is the Fox News to the Ms like Fox is to Trump 😂
Moneyball is 100% propoganda. The A’s didn’t win because they added those sabermetrics guys. They won because of all of the players who the movie didn’t show and the book marginalized and pretended they didn’t have the league MVP and Cy Young winner and 3 top 10 vote getters
There are few GM’s that have a track record of building a World Series team with very little resources. I can only think of Jeff Luhnow, but he will tear down the team. If you can suffer through 3 or 4 years of 100+ loss seasons, then Jeff Luhnow is the guy. Jeff tore it down to where the team spent as low as $14M on payroll to high of $44M during the lean years. Jeff has more to work with by trading away Julio, Gilbert and Cal for prospects.
Who cares if he played for the Astros lol don’t understand Colton and Joes childish reasons for not wanting Bregman 🤦♂️
13:00 thank you
28 teams have won the World Series while top 15 in payroll since 1995. Only 1 team has won the World Series while outside the top 15 in payroll.
World Series Champion Opening Day Payroll Ranks, Wild Card era (1995-present)
2023 Rangers 9th
2022 Astros 8th
2021 Braves 10th
2020 Dodgers 2nd
2019 Nationals 3rd
2018 Red Sox 1st
2017 Astros 12th
2016 Cubs 4th
2015 Royals 12th
2014 Giants 10th
2013 Red Sox 3rd
2012 Giants 8th
2011 Cardinals 11th
2010 Giants 10th
2009 Yankees 1st
2008 Phillies 14th
2007 Red Sox 2nd
2006 Cardinals 11th
2005 White Sox 13th
2004 Red Sox 2nd
2003 Marlins 25th
2002 Angels 15th
2001 D-backs 8th
2000 Yankees 1st
1999 Yankees 1st
1998 Yankees 2nd
1997 Marlins 7th
1996 Yankees 1st
1995 Braves 3rd
Source: USA Today
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And they had some dudes on that team. Dontrelle Willis, Ivan Rodriguez, Miguel Cabrera, A.J. Burnett, etc. before they got paid 💰 🤑 💸 💲 🪙 💶
I like the mairne pod but the other guys can piss off. They insult people in their comments section and when they are called out they cry.
@@jackd8345 : Care to name any?