13 Years In The Amway Cult | Multi-Level Misery
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It should be remembered that, whilst law enforcement has done effectively nothing to identify the true nature of, let alone stop, the problem, there are literally hundreds of blame-the-victim 'Amway' copy-cat 'MLM' cults operating in the world today. Conservative estimates are that, each decade, at least one billion ill-informed individuals are being churned through them. 'MLM' groups have become by far, the most contagious, extensive, widely-copied and profitable evolution of the criminogenic cult phenomenon in the modern era. This shocking description, even though it is backed up by all independent evidence and is surely accurate, still remains unthinkable to most people.
When he said "we lost our 20s" my heart broke. That needs to be its own soundbite.
This was such a brilliant watch.
@@AnitaCripps got me too. My MLM had me for most of my 30s 😭
@@kristaspurr4271It’s a horrible feeling. Your growth really is stunted. And every time I work with people my age, I can tell how much more intelligent and financially savvy they are than myself. MLM should be illegal.
Bruh, 20 seconds in, and I am floored at the backdrop…Pyramids?! I fell over
It's pretty clever. Although to be fair, Penn and Teller did the same thing when they did a "Bullshit!" episode against MLMs called "Easy Money." They even had Robert FitzPatrick on as a guest back then too. 20 years later and we're still at square one trying to rid the world of these evil cult scams.
13 years!!! And that "serving your upline" is so culty. I would never help my manager move to a new house. That's not in my job description and out of my working hours. Disturbing
I've heard such things with religion as well. As this couple said, their MLM had inserted itself into every facet of their life, including church, where talk like that is said with ease and not meant to be questioned. Very, very manipulative.
Oddly enough, I volunteered to help my uplines move. They always talked about how important it was to “get into the back pockets” of your mentors, which meant that you want to pursue them so much that you’re right there when an opportunity arises. Like when an idea comes to mind, it’s very easy to just reach in your back pocket to pull your phone out instead of having to walk across the room or go downstairs to get it. I felt like if I stayed “close” to them, I could catch some nuggets that fell from the tree…if that makes any sense 😂
Most organizations that would b against company policy 4 obvious reasons.
@@Josh-yr7gd 100% fell victim to this too. We volunteered for a ton of moves. We were told that there was power in association so associating more outside of just meetings meant that you could ask questions and build a better relationship. You wanted to be around because you never knew if your upline had a “secret huddle” or drop a “nugget” of game changing information
This video is a MUST WATCH
To the couple again: You guys are seriously so brave. I was only in this thing for 2 years and you guys are handling the trauma so much better than I’ve been. My mind has blocked out so many details and memories about my experience because the fallout was so traumatizing. It’s been almost a year since I left and I haven’t really been able to fully process my experience and heal all the way.
That’s awful. I was only in Amway 6 months, but the person who recruited me has been with them since 2018, and is currently active. I want to talk to her about how disgusting the company is, but for all I know it may be another decade before we have that conversation.
Marco this one hits different. Said a prayer for these two and you. Thank you for the work that you do.
13 years in MLM starting in their 20's. Time and money wasted. The positive in this situation is they had each other for support. The MLM controlled nearly all aspects of their lives.
Amazing interview. I was prospected by a lady from church that was in Amway - videos like yours helped me cut things off and never be a part of it! I’m so glad that they left 👏🏼👏🏼
You should speak to your pastor about this, because just like at a workplace, this should not be allowed in a church either.
I was suckered into Vemma. During all of our "events", they always told us to just get the people there and the "heavy hitters" would do the rest. As we did all of that, they started telling us that we needed to start getting up and telling our "story". The only leg I had to stand on was to tell people that I emptied my savings account. I did that in hopes that it would show my commitment and how much we "believed" in the "business". Once people started leaving and we won't bringing people to meetings as much, the "heavy hitters" who appeared to be our friends turned on us. I wasted 500 on the "builder pack" and 165 a month on my required volume to be compensation eligible. I definitely lost close to 3000. Fun fact, one of my upline guys was recently arrested for felony animal abuse. So that should attest to true character and nature of some of these people.
If anyone has recently left Amway, RETURN YOUR PRODUCTS!!! I can’t emphasize this enough. I don’t know if they still have the 180 day money back guaranteed, but it was worth it. I got back $2200. Of course, I was spending nearly $1200/month on products (and learning materials) to maintain a 300 PV level, so the returns weren’t great compared to what I spent overall, but it was better than nothing. The process involves printing out shipping labels and listing the items, but it’s really worth it. It may be emotionally draining dealing with anything Amway related right after leaving, but getting some of your money back can be part of the healing process. It gave me a feeling of redemption.
@@Josh-yr7gd literally same!!!!! It literally clicked like a light bulb when I realized wait- I should return this stuff! Turns out , after getting 3000 back, it damaged my sponsor’s pv and they went negative that month and made no money. My ex mentor called me and was like “I didnt realize something happened in our relationship that would make you do this” as if I was ruining their pv on purpose 🤨
@@emmabuchanan5324 Oh my goodness. Yes. Me too. I just wanted my money back. My former “mentor” texted me and asked me to let him know if I plan on returning anything else. The audacity of him to try and have a hold over me after I had left. Oddly enough I was on my way to the post office to mail off my last installment of Amway boxes when he had texted me. I waited until I was done with that and just texted back “ok”. Part of me felt like, yeah, take that! I wanted them to miss out on meeting their goal. I remained cordial, because we had something in common beyond the MLM. I’m a Christian and he claimed to be one as well. And although my sinful nature wanted to really tell him off, I know that wouldn’t have been in my best judgment. Thank you for sharing. It’s been well over 5 years since I left and there’s still trauma to sift through.
@@emmabuchanan5324 Oh my goodness. Yes. Me too. I just wanted my money back. My former “mentor” texted me and asked me to let him know if I plan on returning anything else. The audacity of him to try and have a hold over me after I had left. Oddly enough I was on my way to the post office to mail off my last installment of A m w a y boxes when he had texted me. I waited until I was done with that and just texted back “ok”. Part of me felt like, yeah, take that! I wanted them to miss out on meeting their goal. I remained cordial, because we had something in common beyond the MLM. I’m a Christian and he claimed to be one as well. And although my sinful nature wanted to really tell him off, I know that wouldn’t have been in my best judgment. Thank you for sharing. It’s been well over 5 years since I left and there’s still trauma to sift through.
@emmabuchanan5324 Oh my goodness. Yes. Me too. I just wanted my money back. My former “mentor” texted me and asked me to let him know if I plan on returning anything else. The audacity of him to try and have a hold over me after I had left. Oddly enough I was on my way to the post office to mail off my last installment of Amway boxes when he had texted me. I waited until I was done with that and just texted back “ok”. Part of me felt like, yeah, take that! I wanted them to miss out on meeting their goal. I remained cordial, because we had something in common beyond the MLM. I’m a Christian and he claimed to be one as well. And although my sinful nature wanted to really tell him off, I know that wouldn’t have been in my best judgment. Thank you for sharing. It’s been well over 5 years since I left and there’s still trauma to sift through.
@@emmabuchanan5324Yes. TH-cam deleted my longer response to your comment. I’m sick and tired of this happening. I don’t have the patience to figure out which word triggered the censorship. I just reposted my response to you in the general comment section (verbatim) and it’s addressed directly to you. Should be easy to find.
You need more of these types of interview -videos!!
Yes!!! Marco I was worried you silently cancelled the Misery Mondays series but I’m so glad you put one up now! Please continue the Misery Mondays! It’s my favorite content while vacuuming/doing house work.
Saw this video pop up in my feed…instantly clicked on it. Great interview, definitely went through the same emotions when I left my MLM. Can’t wait to see the next video.
We need more Amway content out there! They are the most dangerous one out there ( speaking from experience)
Facts!!
Agreed!!
I was in Amway from 2002 - 2013. Obtained management levels (silver, gold, platinum,Q12).
This is spot on.
Good on you guys for getting out and then being maturely outspoken about your experimental knowledge on the downsides to MLM.
Thank you for this video I recently left Amway, I’m not turning back and everything they said is undoubtedly true
Return ALL of your unused products. I don’t know it they still have the 180 day money back guarantee, but it’s worth it. After I left Amway, I returned my products and got back $2200. Of course I was spending nearly $1200 per month, so the returns weren’t substantial, but it was better than nothing. If you are still within that 6 month window, please do it now. Getting some of your money back is part of the healing process.
Great interview. So important to get these first hand stories from those who’ve gone through it! Glad they got out!♥️
Thanks Marco🤠(Dom Izzo voice)
@@thefirst5years , You should watch Marcos interview with Douglas Brooks, he says "thanks, Marco" at the end..... First time I heard it I 🤣🤣🤣☠️
@@thefirst5years I am still not entirely convinced that Marco didn't put Doug up to it, he CLAIMS that he did not....
@@benjaminaristotleboes3157 haha!😂
I was in the same organization for 5 years. There were a few points made that matched my experience, particularly when Stefan said "I always felt the 'ick" factor in doing it and that held me back." Personally, I like to think of that ick factor as a moral compass keeping us from going all in with such a crooked business model. Of course, the system is designed to fail, but also most people don't succeed in this industry because deep down at a conscious or subconscious level they know it's wrong and that keeps them tethered to the plane of morality.
SO SO GOOD!! Well put, it’s a machine that’s stronger than us on our own - it’s always wild to me how much I relate to people from other companies when they talk about the intensity of the indoctrination. It’s one giant system that churns out stories like these. Thank you all for your voices! 🫶
16:28 The problem with this is when you tell the person the truth, it pushes them away or makes them cling to the cult harder. I think the best is to just say it once what you think and leave it at that. Don’t repeat it or try to convince them.
Marco I have been watching your content for over two years now. Being brutally honest here. I never once invested a single cent into the MLMs, but sort of believed it worked when I was younger; late teens and early 20's. I knew so many fast talkers in my life, that said they made it and kinda of believed the hype. I work in corporate now and have a real job and have for years; and know it's a scheme. I don't blame them. I am part of the population that is prayed up on by MLM'ers.
more of these ex-mlm interviews please thanks!!
It's always interesting to see people so freshly out, guaranteed there was lots of lying and exaggerating on those stages, they just have seen through all of the façades yet. Thanks for sharing their story, it takes a lot of bravery for anyone in these positions. I hope these two can find some actual success.
I can't believe those two stuck around in an MLM for that long. The mental stress MLMs cause on their employees is insane. I know because I had a former friend who was involved in an MLM during my college years. She became extremely dogmatic in the principles, or lies, of this MLM. I went to one of the recruiting events of this MLM and almost immediately realized all the cultish behavior of the members. I left the event early and she, along with a few of her "uplines", tried making me feel bad. She persisted trying to make me feel bad the next day. I stopped talking to her and haven't seen her since.
Your gain, her loss. She will turn out to be a NEET.
What's a NEET? @@vanesslifeygo
Loved it
I really feel like these videos are the best for people to view to start grasping what's going on.
You should get another couple on that’s done Arbonne before..it’s a huge MLM that’s taken over a lot of the girls in my town over the past few years lol. It’s funny because everyone always says “my MLM isn’t like the rest”
I miss these interviews so much!!!
Fantastic interview! Congratulations to your guests for getting out and coming forward speaking out!
One of my friends I worked with invited me to an incredible business opportunity and I ate it up. I was about 2 months in when a Uber driver told me his 6 year experience and I didn’t believe him because of all the brainwashing. But when he dropped me off to the weekly meeting, everything he had told me began to make sense. Within 45min I was mentally out.
Congrats on getting out guys.
Amway is by far the most insidious MLM at least in Australia because of how prominent and popular it is here but also how intense the culture is. I've known about it since I was a child (early 2000s) a family we were close to were deep into it and they would constantly leave the XS energy drinks in our fridge and give my parents the tapes. Fast forward to 2020 I had a manager who started the shift early with me while I unpacked the products, he would play the motivational/hype speeches every morning and he would be so hyped up he was like yelling/cheering to his phone while it played, and he would also leave the XS cans in the fridges, and try to offer the vitamins to staff. Thank god my parents were Anit-MLM even in the early 2000s it prepared me for the BS I'd encounter through my life.
Thank you Marco for starting this channel
I have friends in Amway at the moment. Really hoping they'll watch this with open minds! Thanks for sharing and being open about your experiences
Yoooo, new interview just dropped. Sweet
solid interview! its crazy when you see all the similarities in these business MLM cults, and religious cults. the one I'm familiar with CFM (potters house) makes members consult to their pastor about every life decision similar to what this couple mentioned with Amway. and how many pastors in religious cults are sold the idea if they go start their churches, they will achieve massive success, and decades go by and they still are stuck with small struggling churches lol
SO glad you did this. Hearing these stories are some of the most hard hitting, profound, real life reasons not to join & when other ppl on the verge hear them & hear their stories it helps. I’ve heard that so many times.
If nobody ever watches anything else about Amway, they should watch this.
I got suckered in for 16 months when I was 21. The most embarrassing time of my life
embarrassing? Were people (rightfully) making fun of you because you were openly a part of it?
No need to be embarrassed. We all have vulnerable areas in our lives that can be taken advantage of. At least you can use your youth as an excuse! I was in my mid 30’s when I got involved. Stayed for 4 year, but left over 5 years ago. Keep telling your story. You may save someone else from going through what you went through.
@vanesslifeygo Actually no. I wasn't very pushy and that's probably why I didn't lose any of my old friends (thankfully 🙏). It also wasn't Amway, it was ACN. That probably got me a bit of grace as it was stuff that people use and not random products. It was more of a "he'll wake up and come back to us soon" sort of thing
@Josh-yr7gd That's what they prey on. My guard was down as I was at the lowest point in my life. They got my friends to recruit me and then asked "do you know any other students who aren't sure what they want to do?" Etc. They use your vulnerabilities against you
@@yourdadhasadogfilter2505 Yup. It was a former girlfriend who pulled me into it.
18:33 They might not have been able to say it, but I will. I was in Amway (World Wide Dream Builders) and I know exactly who that “snip” guy is. It was multiple diamond Bradley Duncan. Brainwashing at its worst. I’m so glad I didn’t cut people out of my life during that time.
Bradly Duncan noooooo lol. I was part of Britt WW but I definitely heard of Bradly Duncan. Charlie Durso will also say the same thing “SNIP IT”
My husband and I were apart of wwdb up until 4 months ago and leaving that cult was so traumatic, we cut every single one of them out of our lives and are still processing the experience.
@@Waterlily1998 Please make sure to RETURN YOUR PRODUCTS. There still may be some time to get a little bit of money back if you haven’t done so already. I understand that it can be emotionally draining to deal with Amway, but it can bring a sense of redemption. I returned products after I left and got back $2200. But, I was paying nearly $1200/month on products and learning materials to maintain a 300 PV level, so the returns weren’t great compared to how much I spent overall. Those were funds that really helped and was totally worth the effort in making it happen.
@@Waterlily1998 Please RETURN YOUR PRODUCTS asap if you haven’t done so already. There still may be some time left your you. I returned my products after I left and got back $2200. I was spending nearly $1200/month on products and learning materials to maintain a 300 PV level, so the returns weren’t great compared to what I spent overall, but it was totally worth it and it gave me a feeling of redemption.
@@Waterlily1998 Please RETURN YOUR PRODUCTS if you haven’t done so already. There still may be some time left your you. I returned my products after I left and got back 2200. I was spending nearly 1200 per month on products and learning materials to maintain a 300 PV level, so the returns weren’t great compared to what I spent overall, but it was totally worth it and it gave me a feeling of redemption.
Oh yeah. I can’t wait for my collab with Marco!
Quixtar/Amway can suck it!
What an excellent interview. Thanks to all participants. And hopefully this helps others to get out of their MLMs. Xxxx
19:31 I can tell you from personal experience that loved ones telling you their true feelings when you are "all in" to the biz just pushes you further in. However their comments stayed with me and after I left I could see how they were right. And it possibly started a seed of doubt about the biz. It depends on your relationship. I'm very close to my sisters who were the ones who called it out.
Most of the money that the Diamonds make comes from selling tools. Their story is sadly very common.
Where i worked, they used to say constantly "empty your cup",
Btw i am from lebanon also Marco
Such Amazing interview I used to be under the Trever bakers three years ! Just officially been out a year in April
Just triggered ptsd
Great job Marco and good for these two for sharing their story!!!!!
What always gets me: They are intelligent and well mannered people. They still fell into the trap. It shows how evil the MLM business is.
I really appreciate this couple talking about this but it feels like there's a bit of cognitive dissonance when they say they wish people had told them why they didn't want to join. A few mins later they explain that they threatened to keep the grandparents away from the grandkids unless they supported their Amway journey. This is why no one told them - and i feel they know this but they still wonder why no one said anything. Great interview and i wish the best for this couple.
Believe me, anyone who experiences this, will have all sorts of cognitive dissonance. It really messes with your head. I was involved for 4 years but left over 5 years ago. And here I am still watching these videos today. I find them to be therapeutic. No one ever talks about the ptsd that comes from being in a cult.
Amazing video, Marco. Keep up the great work!!!
Im 26 i remember they showed up to my parents house when i was around 19 years old . I was very interested because i have always wanted to be an entrepreneur. Coming from the Northwest they took me on a 2 hour trip for a convention where they show it all off. I immediately fell in love but also stayed very aware that none of this is as easy as theyre making it seem. It definitely is not . I even sat in a Maserati from one of the so called business men . Being 19 i was eager . Glad i never went thru with theyre tips on "Fake it till you make it" .
thank you all for your courage in coming on & telling your story. This will help more people than you know & I wish you ALL the best in your next chapter. You deserve healing, happiness & real relationships going forward. I’m glad you have each other who both know what you went through & can be there for each other. It’ll take time for sure, a creator Erin Bies was in for 13 & makes content about her healing & other things. Your bravery is beyond admirable. 🥰
Cooking with these questions man!
Marco, you probably don't want to hear it because you're a professional, but you are so beautiful... just beyond words
YES!!!!!! Its finally here 🎉😊
what a lovely couple they are... it breaks my friggin heart that these grifter, scamming predators are so insidious and in plain sight!! It makes me so angry, I am in the UK and have started to report these UK scammers as I feel I need to do something practical to ease my heart break!!
The snip guy is Brad Duncan - the tools company is world wide dream builders, there’s no gemstone its Diamond. I don’t understand why they’re leaving these things out. The local events in each city the “diamonds” leave with with at least 20g’s the major functions the probably leave with a million for each diamond
It's funny how Amway is always in the spotlight, but the association with World Wide Dream Builders never seems to come up.
I recently saw that the Diamond leaders have a YT channel and they all have the same format and talking points in their channel
It’s because they are sue happy. They come after and threaten anyone who names them by name or any of their diamonds.
🎉🎉
@@Waterlily1998are they not the same parent company?
to cut off family just because they did not want to buy your crappy products sucks !!! wow!
Thank you Marco for the work you do. I remember being a kid in the 80’s and my mom’s friend was into Amway. I thought it seemed sketchy at the time, and I can believe 40 years later people are still being victimized by this. It’s shameful our governments don’t stop it
This series is so so good, I swear to God!
I'm proud of them for leaving, but then being religious is part of what makes them such a prime target. Pyramid schemes use the same strategies as religions.
Brought back so many memories !! Wow I remember I got told that I can’t say anything bad about the products especially when they take away thing products!
I’m glad I wasn’t in Amway for more than a year! Wasted around $900. I was also 19 at a time 😂 very dumb of me to believe “you can retire early” keep posting up this great work! From YEG IYKYK 🙏🏽
Thank you Marco 🙏 great interview!
I'm not normally into long videos but this was pretty interesting.
This is really good. Do more of these on the channel.
Love how this couple helped their upline move, but weren’t there for them when they needed it, because “unrealistic expectations”. I hate these people, I’m glad this couple got away from them.
To the couple being interviewed: I know what organization you were in. You guys were in worldwide group. I was in it for only 2 years but with an IDENTICAL experience. I would love to connect with y’all about this more.
Wow Marco almost 100k subs!! Congratsss
Great interview. And I am glad they are speaking out.
Whenever she said “why didnt anyone just tell us how they felt” or “why didnt anyone say that” i totally felt her pain in that one . But its understandable that sometimes family or friends dont wanna push you. But i agree that we need to be more straight up about the red flags we see in people or situations. Overall great interview 👏🏼👏🏼
Black Mirror has content to create an episode with MLM histories
I'm sitting down with a friend here in the next couple days to warn him of the company he just joined. Primerica. I'm scared it's not gonna go well
What are you scared of? What's the worst that could happen? You got this! 💪
I agree with @Afrez1189: do it now. Its better than staying silent and watching them get scammed.
Heck, show them this channel!
Marco is such a good interviewer. Amway really is the worst of the worst.
Thanks for sharing. This kind of crap should be illegal, it is in most other countries.
Which countries? This business model has taken over most of the developed world last I knew. It was in the book Ponzinomics
Wow what a great interview. Dang don't do IG. Would love to see more from them
This couple seem lovely, glad theyre out and mending relationships!
Bro got a degree in psychology and then got financially manipulated for 13 years
Yep. Would it be worse if his degree was in finance ?
Wish the video was longer and more details. So fascinating
the stupidest shit has got to be "serve your upline"...LMAO. u give those mofos your money already, but now you gotta put in time for FREE? SHIT.
can we get more of these vids? these are bomb ! shows how these amway people are such BS. have you looked into the LTD team?
I remember a few of my friends got into Monavee. What a joke lol
@Marco, this is your best work. The live stuff is good, but you need more stories to prevent and treat.
Oh my god! To hear someone else know that audio 😅 wild 55:16
I don’t want to come across as insensitive but I genuinely don’t understand how people get caught up in these schemes. The internet is at everyone’s disposal and people get into MLMs.
NLP can really mess a person up
Nah they target vulnerable/impressionable people, flex power/wealth, use groupthink, brainwashing tactics, etc. And a lot of folks, with not a lot of investment, fall to sunk-cost fallacy, where they feel they've dipped their toes in the water so they now have no choice but to commit further.
They usually get people at a low point in their lives when their guards are down
@@yourdadhasadogfilter2505 You gotta be a sick individual to prey on people like that. MLMs need to be banned
@@yourdadhasadogfilter2505that is screwed up!
Fantastic Interview Marco!
Love your work man! Could you do a video of the miliare group they are a subset of wfg but claim to be different from how wfg runs.
Excellent interview.
30:32 As anti-mlmers I think we should collectively start to *also* compliment people randomly, but only for the sake of a compliment. If you like someone’s shoes, just say it! Genuinely! And then… just leave the conversation there. No more words are needed. Just be nice to people, you never know who might need that kind of pick me up.
It’s not lost on me that he was in school for Psychology. A psychology undergrad is almost more damaging than no undergrad at all lol (my undergrad was psych)
Great interview! Listened to every minute.
WE wErEnT ImMoRaL eNoUgH - then told parents they can't see grandkids if they don't support, scam people for thirteen years, reach top 5% still can't quit their jobs. Yeah... Right ...
keep goin marcooo love ya great work your a godsend for these victims of cults
Well done
Wastes their goodwill on undeserving people
That hurts
Keep doing a good job
Damn. .. 13 years holy f. I am so glad they are out however and their such a lovely couple. Id definitely worship them as a cult couple lol
Did anyone else's ears prick up when she said she started another business? Or am I reading too much into this
😂😂 god dang why people refuse to earn an education and build an actual career is beyond me😂
MLM = MIND CONTROL