If you want to learn more about the long motorcycle trips check the rest of the videos in the channel or by my book: "How to become a better long distance motorcycle rider" rtw-adventures.com/books-1.html
Mate. Your channel is one of the best out there! For anyone (such as myself) considering taking up adventure riding they are a must see! Keep up the good work! 👍
Great topic and video. Love your comprehensive and to- the-point coverage. Another option on a long trip is to switch tires. As an example I'm going on trip to Alaska where first 3,500 km is on paved road, and next 2,000 km is on gravel and wet mud (when raining) and limited paved roads. I want optimal traction on the first leg of paved roads so going with a road tire with great road performance and grip wet and dry at first, then arranging to have tires switched at a town just when roads go gravel/mud with a great 50/50 tire good in wet mud and some pavement. On way back, switching back to road tires and having 50/50 tires shipped back to my home so I can use them again. Great video. Thx!
Thanks a lot for share your experiences they really help me, I ride from Colombia to Peru alone, almost 8000km, one suggestion take your iPod with you it will help a great deal if you are tire and suddenly you hear your favorite song. Thanks again!!!
Nhaa, one of the vest 50/50 adventure tires are the Dunlop Trailmax Mission tires. Proof that you don't need wide groves to kick ass. One of the newer adv tires to come into the market, Dunlop showed that it is not always the first the is the best. They waited and waited and then asked people what they wanted, and it paid off. Just look at the tire it appears more like a 70/30 or 80/20, but Dunlop markets it as a 50/50 and tests such as that performed by Chaparral Motorsports show the tires to do exceptionality well both on and off road. The other tire many have gave great reviews are the Mitas E-07.
Another interesting topic you raise sir, I think tyres are very much a personal choice of what works for you. The hard part is that it is a very expensive process you have to go through, trial and error, what is great for others might not be good for you, riding styles can dictate in the end. There is also the choice of running a more aggressive tyre on the front and a more road focused tyre on the rear which can be good off road depending on riding style and feel, some guys also like to run a road based tyre on the front and a more detailed dirt based tyre on the rear. One thing I have found also with tyre choice, especially running tubes is the ease of breaking the bead and reseating the bead if repairing a puncture, good mileage is second if you can not get the tyre off the rim to fix a flat out on the road, one of the reasons I like to run tube tyres instead of tubeless. As you stated, it is a compromise, nothing is perfect, it is advisable when buying new tyres that run tubes is to fit them at home so you get the practice of what the tyres are like to remove and fit as opposed to trying for the first time out on the road miles from anywhere.
Very helpful video, agree 100% I´m not adventure rider, just 10-15 days trip rider with a heavy gs adventure bike. For those who ride in the same situation as I do; I use 100% road tires, metzeler roadtec01 and they are fantastic. I recommend Continental TKC 70 as well, as they will provide enormous grip on road, and allow you to ride easy off road tracks as well. Do not buy 90-10% tires like metzeler tourance next if you wish to ride a little off road. This tires are just road tires with double carcass. Absolutely no grip on offroad.
I do not think any one having race in long trips may be you could not enjoy the ride but its fine no matter what kind of tyres you have and i agree with you it base that what kind of road overall you have in your trips so workout according to that.I again like your approch.
Thanks for your videos I am sure I have not seen them all bu I will get there, Can you do one on food on a long trip. Do you eat tin food ,pizzas or hamburgers .? You cannot eat in restaurants all the time.... to expensive. Do you carry emergency food? Thanks for the videos again.
I like to pack freeze dried camping foods, Mountain House being the best I've tried (especially the chicken and rice). It's light, lasts forever, and you just need a JetBoil.
I haven't yet had the chance to check out all the videos on this channel, so I don't know if it's been covered yet, but a good alternative to restaurants is local groceries/supermarkets. Most have a deli section with healthier alternatives than fast food joints, like sandwiches, cold salads, etc. Wander over to the produce section and get some fruit, pick up a drink or two for less than you would pay at a convenience store, etc. For snacking during rest stops, I usually carry a selection of granola bars, dried fruit, that sort of stuff. Note: all of my long trips to date have been road trips in Canada and the US, so I'm not sure how feasible that is elsewhere.
Hi Pavlin, this is a difficult topic. For every rider on the world, another tire can be the best or worst, it depends on so much individual circumstances ... as you explained well. Fortunately, there are so much different tires, so everybody should be able to find the right one for him. Best regards, Hans
Thank you for your video and for the text that you write under the video (but unfortunately it is not complete). It would be nice, if you could add manually your own subtitles in English. Two questions: 1) What are the pros and cons of tubeless tires and inner tube tires? 2) How long does the life of a tire last (regardless of the mileage)? In other words, there is a tire expiration, even if never used? Thanks for your video again and for your books too. Cheerio.
Thanks for that small bit of information on the life of the TKC80 tyres. I would be happy with 10,000km from a set of tyres and with my smaller bike (KTM 390 Adventure) I could possibly get better mileage.
Another helpful vid. I love Hiedenau K60 Scouts. Just outfitted my 1200GS with a brand new set They corner great and will get the bike through most surfaces (I did have trouble in wet mud). My last set gave me 20, 000 miles on the front and 13,000 miles on the back, yes miles. The shop where i had them changed over had a couple of K60 Scouts that were hanging on the wall that lasted longer and were in better shape than the ones I had removed. Also, can you please give us your first name. I am kinda of tiered of referring to you as "that guy with the accent," when your vids come up in conversation. :-) Keep up the good work!!!!!!!
I have Avon Trailrider tyres on my bike, they are as good as PR4's. Just changed the front today and got 16,390 miles from it. I have used the PR4's and they are great, but the stock Pirelli Scorpion's were a bit sketchy in the wet after 5000 miles.
Again a very good topic you talked about great work friend keep going double thumbs up to you please do make a video on suspension setup like for example soft or hard set up and there advantages and disadvantages .
Thanks! I always talk only from my experience, to say something I have heard about is not right. I will have a video about the lights very soon, please be patient.
I am a slow rider, never have hurry when I am with the bike, rarely exceed 100km/h with my Tenere 660 with TKC80s. I always prefer country roads and village roads to avoid fast traffic and keep out from highways, and you never know the conditions of these kind of roads. On my each and every trip, some part contains gravel roads, maybe just for a photo session to a scenic view point but I like riding on un-paved roads and very very rarely ride on mud, almost none. Due to these, I prefer dual-sport tires, it is good to have that power and flexibility with you and in the mean time I sacrifice some traction and comfort on asphalt. Last summer I had a short trip of 2500km to Bulgaria and Romania and I was very happy with TKC80s. But when they are finished, I am thinking about giving a try to K60 Scouts, but not sure. What is your opinion between these two alternatives? K60 seems to be better on asphalt due to the thread pattern but is it really so when we consider also the rubber compound? And will K60 provide enough traction on dry gravel roads?
Thanks for the clue Pavlin, good help. longer mileage is not one of my top concerns since I just do 3-4000km at most per year. Then maybe a new set of TKC80 will be a better deal, at least I already know how they behave on different conditions.
Thanks a lot for the video and very informative , this is what i need to know, a tires but mainly for city touring, for suburb road, and especially a tire that can be use at the same time for dry and wet road...
I've heard that the Metzeller R1 is very good, and I had good experiences with the Bridgestone BT30 evo. They're a very good tyre for the cost, and handled almost as well in the wet as the dry.
I have learnt the hard way what’s the tires not to choose ... Dunlop! No grip near new and They nearly killed me on my Africa twin. I switched to Bridgestone battle wing and the difference was like night and day. With the Bridgestone tires they grip like glue.
I've used just about every tire out there. If you're riding your dual sport like most do...90/10 off, go for Shinko 705s. If you're riding 60/40 I use Shinko 804/805. I get 6000 miles out of rear 705 and 805. I get 12,000 miles out of the front 705 and 804. Lateral grip on rear 805 is not the greatest but as good as TKC80s but less than half the cost. I've been running the 804/805 combo for 30,000 trouble free miles and love them on or off road. I'll wait for the BMW riders to talk sh*% about using Stinkos...meanwhile, I'll laugh all the way to the bank at $175 a PAIR on my lowly Tiger 800XCa.
I Love riding in twisty mountain roads but I love the looks of dual sport tires. Would it compromise my safety during cornerings? I’m thinking of Swallow Street Enduro tires but I’m not so sure whether it’ll support my riding style in the twisties.
Road conditions are horrible here in Michigan. Its hard to find decent roads to ride with street bikes. See more adventure dual sport and enduro tires on stuff lately. But the roads reflect the choices.
Super vid, but preference for tubes or tubeless? Apparently tubes is a deal breaker for some (new Africa Twin ). And of course Tenere.. I use bike seal in tubes with spare tubes just in case ..
Pavlin, Greatly enjoyed your Mongolia road trip! Thanks for including Dema. Which brands and patterns of On-Road Touring bike tires do you like for dry as well as wet pavements? My bike is a Suzuki C50T (about 243kg or 650 lbs), which looks nicest with wide whitewall tires but, I'm concerned the whitewalls may not be safest. On long rides, 90% of the time, I am on two-lane roads; traveling with a passenger; at under 100kph.
Thanks Brian! Because my trips almost always include some off road sections I never ride with only road tires. I prefer to have this flexibility, but I think that Michelin Anakee are good choice.
Motoz Trackshenator on the rear of the DR with a separate 19" assembly having 90/10 sporting a 320mm floating disk stopping high speed accidents . That and the hands of a twenty year old is all needed to hit the Hwy. . Thanks All , Thanks be
I asked this question on another video which was not relevant to tyre. So this video you have focused specific on tyre and couldn't stop my self asking you this. Which one is better in off road? Tube or tubeless? If I have bike which is meant for off road adventure tourer, would you recommend to change that tyre to tubeless?? It will be helpful if you could answer me this as I am planning to buy one adventurer tourer bike in india called himalayan which come as tube. Not tubeless..
Hi Pavlin, I'm a beginner into the adventure riding,so I'm looking to collect advices how to get ready for the first trip. I found your channel very-very useful ! Regarding to the topic choice of tires, I would like to ask you what you think about tubeless spoked wheels for adventure ?! May be this is questions for another discussion or another video from your side. Thank You in advance !
Great advice, thanks. What about wet / dry mostly road work on a medium weight bike? Here the trade-off is wet grip versus longevity and difficult to call. Any thoughts?
Hello!...thank you for the sopport in the knowledge of our bikes... What tires do you recomend for a DR650: 80% onroad and 20% offroad, i'm not a expert rider. Chao
What about icy roads? Could you recommend one type of tire would be suitable for long adventure rides that includes cold temperature? Thanks! Great video :)
As I said in the video, there are no universal tires. On cold temperatures all tires work with much less traction. My opinion is that for this type of trips you have to choose as soft as possible tires. On ice only spikes will help.
On my DR350 the K60 Scouts were the best all around. They liked everything except wet pavement which I never found a dual sport tire that did like wet pavement. It was my small adventure bike until somebody stole it.
Your videos are very informative. I am facing issues while choosing tyres for my next trip (approximately 3000kms) in some hilly terrain. I am riding a 150 kg Bajaj Pulsar 180, an Indian manufacturer, and my trip will be 80% on road and 20% off road. My average cruising speed is 70-100kmph in the highways and in the hills it depends on the terrain. So , which type of tyre should I prefer? Should I continue with stock tyres which are more on road oriented kind of duel sports or should I go for other options like adventure tyres.? I was thinking to replace my rare tyre by adventure tyre and keep the stock tyre in the front which .may serve me both in on and off road conditions, what do you think about it?
I've been using them for a bit more than 2 months now and I just love them. They are noisy, yes, but very stable in most of the conditions. Even in the wet they are really good, I didn't expect that. My TA also feels very nimble with the Heidenaus, almost like an overpowered bicycle. What I find quite amazing is the way they behave on gravel roads. That's so much better than my old set of (rather road oriented) Anakee IIIs. The Scouts are 50:50s, which means they don't like wet, slippery mud too much. It's acceptable, they can cope with it, if you are careful but its performance under such conditions is not exactly what I'd call fully satisfying. However, I can fully recommend them...
@@22fret Let's see how it'll go. I just got them mounted and drove the bike home (about 3km in 5°C and rain). The tires weren't broken in at all, so twisting the throttle made the rear spin like crazy. Anyways. As soon as I can I will try them out on gravel and the likes but right now I can't really go anywhere because of the corona situation
Yeah, that's a bit difficult at the moment. Well, the 990 is a whole different beast than the Transalp with its 50 horsies. You may want to be a bit more tender with your throttle hand in the damp... :D
Hey Man! You’re doing a great job in sharing your vast knowledge. Thanks for that! What I would only like to see more is that you have more subscribers. Why don’t you have a look at Petr McKinnon channel and try to introduce some of the techniques that will broaden your audience. The guy gained over 1 million subscribers in less than a year, I think there is a lot to learn from him. All the best in your TH-caming and hope to see you on the road one day ;)
Hi,I am using for my Yamha TDM 850 3VD Michelin Pilot. I can reccomend this tires for asphalt,easy offroad and rain. They are really good on rain. Its quiet heavy bike and my question is can I plan longer motorcycle trips with that bike? (I made some some videos on my channel on short trips and now I am planning some longer trips because of your good tips and videos).Thanks!
Hi, im also an owner of a wonderful TDM 850 (4TX) and i made best experiences with the Michelin Anakee 3. It is a reliable good tire on every normal road, i can lay the machine into corners, till the footpegs scratches and for a little bit off road, they are also o.k. But i guess, the TDM is definitely one of the best touring bikes, but not really a good offroad-bike. For that i have my DR 650 .... Best regards from Bavaria/Germany.
Hi, i must confess, that i avoid to drive in rain, as it is possible. But if it is unpreventable, i do not check out that maximum risk. On rain, i guess, the Michelin Pilot may be a little bit better.
Hello my friend how are you? I have an 80/20 travel plan with my Versys 650cc. pavement roads with cornice and gravel with height of 4000mts above sea level. I had thought of Heindenau K60 170/60/17 rear and Continental 120/60/17 tck70 front as there is no measure in 17 forwards for this bike. If you have a match, let me know. my style of travel is safe and confident to enjoy. Greetings. thank you very much.
I will never recommend to use different tires from and rear. The reason of that is that they will react different on the curtain conditions. Try to find another brand and model which produce 17inc front. Check Mitas 07.
The follow up question to 'are you going to ride offroad' should be 'how gnarly will the terrain be?' not 'what distance?'. IMO get the tires that will get you through the worst terrain you plan to ride, and live with the reduced lifespan, noise and limited cornering ability. A 90/10 tire doesn't help you if the 10% you plan to ride off road on your trip is 300miles of a BDR or TaT.
nice video, i ride a r1200gs and i already have to change tires with only 8000 kms (anakee 3) I only ride on pavement and ocassionally on gravel roads, my next set will be the pirelli scorpion trail 2
I have 650 cc touring bike of 215 kg. Not agressive rider with max speed 120-130 on road. I like to go from time to time off road: gravel/dirt roads. Tire size is 17 inches both front and rear. I think about an 80/20 or maybe 70/30. What would you recommend? Thanks. Alexis.
Pavlin, an acquaintance wants to convince me that he was with BMW k100 rs motorcycle in the Desert. He argues that the most suitable for desert sand is worn tires with as little tread as possible. It is illogical to me. What are your experiences about that?
I have a query, how much power do a motorcycle should have to ride off road?, in India we have a 200kg 20bhp monster(which seems underpowered and over weighed) and we directly have an option at the high end motorcycles like 1200gsa, tiger 800,etc. So we don't have many motorcycles even as an option. So what is the power you think we need minimum for off road? And what motorcycle you own? Thank you :)
Well, it's depends from your riding skills, what you are capable to do with this bike. Out of the road the more important is the weight off the motorcycle, not the power. I have Yamaha XT 660 Z, it is 48 H.P.
Ive seen people carry extra tires. Do they do this to change tires for long offroad/onroad sections? Like, 90/10 for highway, then change to 20/80 when the next the 500km are dirt. What do you think about this strategy?
If i chand bike tyre ASPECT RATIO than what's the affect on bike MILAGE, CHAIN SPROCKET and SPEEDOMETER. My present tyre size 140/60-R17 And i proposed to change 140/70-R17
I am from India, and I never know how the road will be until and unless I am on it. Street tyres have done me well, but still I am not confident about them. I have a normal size 150 kg bike.
If you have chanse try mitas E10 its like tkc80 it same m+s it's just a lot more cheap 55euro front 65euro rear I ride with them 2 year in sommer winter rain off road and its same like tkc80. it's nice to try out.
I put it on bike last in oktober riding about 7000km ok not in snow onli rain and mood asphalt max km/h 100-115km/m and stil it was in a good condition
... Yamaha MT09 Tracer with Bridgestone T30Evo at 'Désert des Agriates - Corsica Off Road Park' ... beat that =D (without crashing gg) ... nice video ;)
@@motorcycleadventures i see. I am looking to get same e07 too, but i did not get what is the difference between e07 and e07+ P.S. i found your 2019 video with review of e07+, now i know the difference =)
hi again!! i think that i'll go for Haidenau k60 ... but i'll ask you something else about exhaust because i see that you have one exhaust.. if i sell my stock exhaust, and bought another one, note double, just one like you, i'll have to change something else? filter or something else?
i have stock filter, foam.. if i don't change anything , and not put kevs mod or power commander and only put one or double exhaust, this will affect the power of bike and the way that engine works to the worst?? (i don't have money for other thinks now and i don't want to destroy the bike for just another exhaust)
The stock exhaust has catalyser in and lambda sonde , and because of that when you add different muffler, some of the settings need to be different. If you stay with the stock, it might not work on the way you expect it to work. Read more about it before you even try to do it.
Hi Pavlin, i am just add to you chanell and i am so happy to find it.you are verry specific in you informations CONGRATULATION pavlin i am from colombia but i live en uk since many years if you loock for a partner to trvel to south america just let mi now i have a r1200gsa and i going to america next year good look
Hey what do you think about the Continental TKC 70? I want to drive trough skandinavia and the baltikum, so a little bit Offroad to get to good camping places will be in the trip. Thank you very much! Pablo
60 days Tour 26/7-1/10 15000 km Ukraina-russia-kaskstan-kirgistan- (Pamir Highway) tijistan-uzberistan-kaskastan-azerbaian-georgia-Turky on th middel-Norway, My bike is XTZ660A 2015. K60 or Mitas E08, ? I am to late to order E07..I will try to not do highways..
Hallo, danke für deine wertvollen Tipps! I drive normally, on my old Varadero, Mezeler tourance next. This year I want to visit the Pyrenees and the Western Alps. There will probably be some gravel roads. Hopefully in dry weather. Now I'm wondering if the Mitas E07 is not the better choice. What do you think?
All tires will slip somewhere. Someone explain to me why you would sacrifice road grip for more traction in the dirt. Road hazards: trucks, cars, high speeds, lean angles, slick wet pavement. Off road hazard: getting stuck.
Anything is possible on a motorcycle, seen a family of nine on one bike, and the rider in control was trying to do a wheel stand. He was trying to save money on front tyres.
I don't think the choice offered for motorcycle tyres is great really. An impossible task choose a 50/50 an have the worst of both worlds. But just know the limits is what i would say. Cars have it so much better.
I think that the there are more than enough options if you know what exactly you going to do with the bike. The problem is that many riders never follow this logic.
I have Pirelli scorpion trail. On grass or mud (at the side of road) they are an absolute joke. E-07 or tck80 are what i'm thinking. I want to do a bit of off road mainly poor surface than dragging my bike somewhere beyond me and the bikes limits. Also thanks for replying. It's very appreciated.
I don't really care about the wear. As touched on at the end of the video, I'm more interested in my life than the life of my tires, and I don't skimp on tires (or helmet). More to your point, I don't think the problem is people caring more about the look of the tire than the wear of the tire, the problem is people carry more about the look of the tire than the traction of the tire. Riders who run dual sport tires because they think it makes their big adventure bike (that rarely if ever leaves the pavement) more badass are setting themselves up for a far more serious problem than frequent tire replacement. That's one thing I think that this video could have stressed more than just saying they can be tricky in corners. (Then again, I suppose those fools aren't even watching videos like this.)
Guess you pick a tyre for where you ride..example. if you going to ride around africa you will need more offroad tyre ore nobbies..if you travel in europe more tarmack tyres is nessesery...
If you want to learn more about the long motorcycle trips check the rest of the videos in the channel or by my book: "How to become a better long distance motorcycle rider" rtw-adventures.com/books-1.html
Mate. Your channel is one of the best out there! For anyone (such as myself) considering taking up adventure riding they are a must
see! Keep up the good work! 👍
Good advice. Unless you're competing, Rider discretion is the key to arriving safely.
Great topic and video. Love your comprehensive and to- the-point coverage. Another option on a long trip is to switch tires. As an example I'm going on trip to Alaska where first 3,500 km is on paved road, and next 2,000 km is on gravel and wet mud (when raining) and limited paved roads. I want optimal traction on the first leg of paved roads so going with a road tire with great road performance and grip wet and dry at first, then arranging to have tires switched at a town just when roads go gravel/mud with a great 50/50 tire good in wet mud and some pavement. On way back, switching back to road tires and having 50/50 tires shipped back to my home so I can use them again. Great video. Thx!
Yes, this is the prefect option.
Thanks a lot for share your experiences they really help me, I ride from Colombia to Peru alone, almost 8000km, one suggestion take your iPod with you it will help a great deal if you are tire and suddenly you hear your favorite song. Thanks again!!!
You are welcome anytime!
Nhaa, one of the vest 50/50 adventure tires are the Dunlop Trailmax Mission tires. Proof that you don't need wide groves to kick ass. One of the newer adv tires to come into the market, Dunlop showed that it is not always the first the is the best. They waited and waited and then asked people what they wanted, and it paid off. Just look at the tire it appears more like a 70/30 or 80/20, but Dunlop markets it as a 50/50 and tests such as that performed by Chaparral Motorsports show the tires to do exceptionality well both on and off road. The other tire many have gave great reviews are the Mitas E-07.
I confirm that Mitas 07+ are great value.
I have wasted my whole day for choosing the best tyre for my long trip... Finally thanks man 👍🏼😎
Another interesting topic you raise sir, I think tyres are very much a personal choice of what works for you.
The hard part is that it is a very expensive process you have to go through, trial and error, what is great for others might not be good for you, riding styles can dictate in the end.
There is also the choice of running a more aggressive tyre on the front and a more road focused tyre on the rear which can be good off road depending on riding style and feel, some guys also like to run a road based tyre on the front and a more detailed dirt based tyre on the rear.
One thing I have found also with tyre choice, especially running tubes is the ease of breaking the bead and reseating the bead if repairing a puncture, good mileage is second if you can not get the tyre off the rim to fix a flat out on the road, one of the reasons I like to run tube tyres instead of tubeless.
As you stated, it is a compromise, nothing is perfect, it is advisable when buying new tyres that run tubes is to fit them at home so you get the practice of what the tyres are like to remove and fit as opposed to trying for the first time out on the road miles from anywhere.
Good advices, thanks for adding!
Great english, understand all clear, better than native.
Glad to hear that!
Very helpful video, agree 100%
I´m not adventure rider, just 10-15 days trip rider with a heavy gs adventure bike.
For those who ride in the same situation as I do;
I use 100% road tires, metzeler roadtec01 and they are fantastic.
I recommend Continental TKC 70 as well, as they will provide enormous grip on road, and allow you to ride easy off road tracks as well.
Do not buy 90-10% tires like metzeler tourance next if you wish to ride a little off road.
This tires are just road tires with double carcass. Absolutely no grip on offroad.
True.
I do not think any one having race in long trips may be you could not enjoy the ride but its fine no matter what kind of tyres you have and i agree with you it base that what kind of road overall you have in your trips so workout according to that.I again like your approch.
Correct.
So much common sense and good advice. Too many people are taken in by the manufacturers advertising which can be more style over substance.
I truly believe in the common sense.
Love your videos! Short and to the point. Keep it up!
Greetings from Croatia!
Thanks!
Thanks for your videos I am sure I have not seen them all bu I will get there,
Can you do one on food on a long trip. Do you eat tin food ,pizzas or hamburgers .?
You cannot eat in restaurants all the time.... to expensive. Do you carry emergency food?
Thanks for the videos again.
It is good idea, I will think about it and will see what can I do, thanks!
I like to pack freeze dried camping foods, Mountain House being the best I've tried (especially the chicken and rice). It's light, lasts forever, and you just need a JetBoil.
I haven't yet had the chance to check out all the videos on this channel, so I don't know if it's been covered yet, but a good alternative to restaurants is local groceries/supermarkets. Most have a deli section with healthier alternatives than fast food joints, like sandwiches, cold salads, etc. Wander over to the produce section and get some fruit, pick up a drink or two for less than you would pay at a convenience store, etc. For snacking during rest stops, I usually carry a selection of granola bars, dried fruit, that sort of stuff.
Note: all of my long trips to date have been road trips in Canada and the US, so I'm not sure how feasible that is elsewhere.
Hi Pavlin, this is a difficult topic. For every rider on the world, another tire can be the best or worst, it depends on so much individual circumstances ... as you explained well. Fortunately, there are so much different tires, so everybody should be able to find the right one for him. Best regards, Hans
Yes, Hans, thanks to the hundreds of brands and models it's much easy today.
Thank you for your video and for the text that you write under the video (but unfortunately it is not complete). It would be nice, if you could add manually your own subtitles in English.
Two questions:
1) What are the pros and cons of tubeless tires and inner tube tires?
2) How long does the life of a tire last (regardless of the mileage)? In other words, there is a tire expiration, even if never used?
Thanks for your video again and for your books too. Cheerio.
Ok, I will think about such a video.
Thanks for that small bit of information on the life of the TKC80 tyres. I would be happy with 10,000km from a set of tyres and with my smaller bike (KTM 390 Adventure) I could possibly get better mileage.
Good luck!
I am really happy with Mitas E09. Specially rear. It last longer than TKC80, and has I would say even better traction offroad.
Mine finish after 7 thousand km and some of the knobby even fall a part.
Your videos are really great! If you ever visit Thessaloniki in Greece, let me know! I would be glad to get you around!
Thanks! Drop me an e-mail to have your details: rtw-adventures.com/contacts-1.html
What air pressure you ride at is important. It makes a big difference with traction and tire ware.
Very true, thanks for adding!
Another helpful vid. I love Hiedenau K60 Scouts. Just outfitted my 1200GS with a brand new set They corner great and will get the bike through most surfaces (I did have trouble in wet mud). My last set gave me 20, 000 miles on the front and 13,000 miles on the back, yes miles. The shop where i had them changed over had a couple of K60 Scouts that were hanging on the wall that lasted longer and were in better shape than the ones I had removed.
Also, can you please give us your first name. I am kinda of tiered of referring to you as "that guy with the accent," when your vids come up in conversation. :-) Keep up the good work!!!!!!!
Thanks for watching Ken! My name is Pavlin.
They work great for my 1150GSA looking great after 6000 mi...Mud not so much...
I have Avon Trailrider tyres on my bike, they are as good as PR4's. Just changed the front today and got 16,390 miles from it. I have used the PR4's and they are great, but the stock Pirelli Scorpion's were a bit sketchy in the wet after 5000 miles.
Whatever suit to your riding style and budget.
страхотно видео. продължете по този начин!Здравейте от Сърбия :)
Hvala!
I like your final questions.
Cool!
Again a very good topic you talked about great work friend keep going double thumbs up to you please do make a video on suspension setup like for example soft or hard set up and there advantages and disadvantages .
Thanks! I always talk only from my experience, to say something I have heard about is not right. I will have a video about the lights very soon, please be patient.
I am a slow rider, never have hurry when I am with the bike, rarely exceed 100km/h with my Tenere 660 with TKC80s. I always prefer country roads and village roads to avoid fast traffic and keep out from highways, and you never know the conditions of these kind of roads. On my each and every trip, some part contains gravel roads, maybe just for a photo session to a scenic view point but I like riding on un-paved roads and very very rarely ride on mud, almost none. Due to these, I prefer dual-sport tires, it is good to have that power and flexibility with you and in the mean time I sacrifice some traction and comfort on asphalt. Last summer I had a short trip of 2500km to Bulgaria and Romania and I was very happy with TKC80s. But when they are finished, I am thinking about giving a try to K60 Scouts, but not sure. What is your opinion between these two alternatives? K60 seems to be better on asphalt due to the thread pattern but is it really so when we consider also the rubber compound? And will K60 provide enough traction on dry gravel roads?
They are fine, not that good as TKC, but will last longer.
Thanks for the clue Pavlin, good help. longer mileage is not one of my top concerns since I just do 3-4000km at most per year. Then maybe a new set of TKC80 will be a better deal, at least I already know how they behave on different conditions.
They are definitely better than K60.
Thanks a lot for the video and very informative , this is what i need to know, a tires but mainly for city touring, for suburb road, and especially a tire that can be use at the same time for dry and wet road...
I am glad that the video helped!
I've heard that the Metzeller R1 is very good, and I had good experiences with the Bridgestone BT30 evo. They're a very good tyre for the cost, and handled almost as well in the wet as the dry.
I have learnt the hard way what’s the tires not to choose ... Dunlop! No grip near new and They nearly killed me on my Africa twin.
I switched to Bridgestone battle wing and the difference was like night and day. With the Bridgestone tires they grip like glue.
The tires are the only thing keep you on the road - no compromises.
Excellent video again Pavlin
Thanks!
братле супер видео...за нас на балканите најдобри гуми -Половните(стари) ...или ако некој ни подари :)
Вярно, така е, но и ние ще пораснем един ден...
What do you think of the pirelli scorpion trail 2 tires? Thanks for the great videos.
I never try it. I can only speak when I have my own experience with it.
I've used just about every tire out there. If you're riding your dual sport like most do...90/10 off, go for Shinko 705s. If you're riding 60/40 I use Shinko 804/805. I get 6000 miles out of rear 705 and 805. I get 12,000 miles out of the front 705 and 804. Lateral grip on rear 805 is not the greatest but as good as TKC80s but less than half the cost. I've been running the 804/805 combo for 30,000 trouble free miles and love them on or off road. I'll wait for the BMW riders to talk sh*% about using Stinkos...meanwhile, I'll laugh all the way to the bank at $175 a PAIR on my lowly Tiger 800XCa.
Good to know, thanks for adding Mark!
Great job sharing your experience. Thanks man.
You are welcome!
I Love riding in twisty mountain roads but I love the looks of dual sport tires. Would it compromise my safety during cornerings? I’m thinking of Swallow Street Enduro tires but I’m not so sure whether it’ll support my riding style in the twisties.
Depends on the bike, weather condition and your technic.
Road conditions are horrible here in Michigan. Its hard to find decent roads to ride with street bikes. See more adventure dual sport and enduro tires on stuff lately. But the roads reflect the choices.
True
Super vid, but preference for tubes or tubeless? Apparently tubes is a deal breaker for some (new Africa Twin ). And of course Tenere..
I use bike seal in tubes with spare tubes just in case ..
Tubeless is always better, one think less to carry and worry about, but at the moment only on new and expensive bikes.
Pavlin, Greatly enjoyed your Mongolia road trip! Thanks for including Dema.
Which brands and patterns of On-Road Touring bike tires do you like for dry as well as wet pavements?
My bike is a Suzuki C50T (about 243kg or 650 lbs), which looks nicest with wide whitewall tires but, I'm concerned the whitewalls may not be safest.
On long rides, 90% of the time, I am on two-lane roads; traveling with a passenger; at under 100kph.
Thanks Brian! Because my trips almost always include some off road sections I never ride with only road tires. I prefer to have this flexibility, but I think that Michelin Anakee are good choice.
Awesome as always
Motoz Trackshenator on the rear of the DR with a separate 19" assembly having 90/10 sporting a 320mm floating disk stopping high speed accidents . That and the hands of a twenty year old is all needed to hit the Hwy. . Thanks All , Thanks be
Hello Greetings From India. Motorcycle Academy. Very good
Thanks!
I agree with you, you talk sense 👍
Thanks!
I asked this question on another video which was not relevant to tyre. So this video you have focused specific on tyre and couldn't stop my self asking you this. Which one is better in off road? Tube or tubeless? If I have bike which is meant for off road adventure tourer, would you recommend to change that tyre to tubeless?? It will be helpful if you could answer me this as I am planning to buy one adventurer tourer bike in india called himalayan which come as tube. Not tubeless..
Another great video, Pavlin...Thanks!
Thanks Allen!
Love the videos ,always full of tips ,keep up the good work ,Chow lol 😆
Thanks Steve! Ride safe!
Hi Pavlin, I'm a beginner into the adventure riding,so I'm looking to collect advices how to get ready for the first trip. I found your channel very-very useful ! Regarding to the topic choice of tires, I would like to ask you what you think about tubeless spoked wheels for adventure ?! May be this is questions for another discussion or another video from your side. Thank You in advance !
Всъщност Ивайло, това е темата на следващото видео. Ще го публикувам в Събота.
Благодаря, ще я очаквам с интерес!
Thanks Pavlin for vid.Leaking rear k60 on my v-strom,do they need inner tubes?
What tyre is good for breaking and handling. Sports or adventure
Cool video as always!!! Great info. Tell me do you still use baggage from 21 brothers? Are they ok?
Yes, I still use it and it's great.
Great advice, thanks. What about wet / dry mostly road work on a medium weight bike? Here the trade-off is wet grip versus longevity and difficult to call. Any thoughts?
In this situations I will suggest so call adventure tires. They will work good in 90% of the cases, even longevity.
Thank you Pavlin. Really like your down-to-earth, Real World viewpoint on all things related to motorcycle travel.
Hello!...thank you for the sopport in the knowledge of our bikes...
What tires do you recomend for a DR650: 80% onroad and 20% offroad, i'm not a expert rider. Chao
Juan, I just made a whole video about it! Answer the questions and you will know. 80+10 is 90%, where the rest 10% has gone?
Motorcycle Adventures ohhh yes, you are right XD!...80-20...perhaps i was thinking the 10% for staying still...
Motorcycle Adventures I meant other brands that can be also useful in that category...
What about icy roads? Could you recommend one type of tire would be suitable for long adventure rides that includes cold temperature? Thanks! Great video :)
As I said in the video, there are no universal tires. On cold temperatures all tires work with much less traction. My opinion is that for this type of trips you have to choose as soft as possible tires. On ice only spikes will help.
Motorcycle Adventures thank you!
great vid i share with you one of best tire tkc80
Thanks!
On my DR350 the K60 Scouts were the best all around. They liked everything except wet pavement which I never found a dual sport tire that did like wet pavement. It was my small adventure bike until somebody stole it.
Sad to heard that the bike was stolen.
Your videos are very informative. I am facing issues while choosing tyres for my next trip (approximately 3000kms) in some hilly terrain.
I am riding a 150 kg Bajaj Pulsar 180, an Indian manufacturer, and my trip will be 80% on road and 20% off road. My average cruising speed is 70-100kmph in the highways and in the hills it depends on the terrain.
So , which type of tyre should I prefer? Should I continue with stock tyres which are more on road oriented kind of duel sports or should I go for other options like adventure tyres.?
I was thinking to replace my rare tyre by adventure tyre and keep the stock tyre in the front which .may serve me both in on and off road conditions, what do you think about it?
Watch my next video on Monday.
@@motorcycleadventures eagerly waiting for it.
Wie immer ein tolles Video!
Danke!
I have just ordered a set of K60 Scout for my PD06 Transalp. My expectations a high, having seen quite some reviews...
I put them on my 990 last week. Let's see how it goes. The reviews are two fold. Either people love them, or they really hate them
I've been using them for a bit more than 2 months now and I just love them. They are noisy, yes, but very stable in most of the conditions. Even in the wet they are really good, I didn't expect that. My TA also feels very nimble with the Heidenaus, almost like an overpowered bicycle. What I find quite amazing is the way they behave on gravel roads. That's so much better than my old set of (rather road oriented) Anakee IIIs. The Scouts are 50:50s, which means they don't like wet, slippery mud too much. It's acceptable, they can cope with it, if you are careful but its performance under such conditions is not exactly what I'd call fully satisfying. However, I can fully recommend them...
@@22fret Let's see how it'll go. I just got them mounted and drove the bike home (about 3km in 5°C and rain). The tires weren't broken in at all, so twisting the throttle made the rear spin like crazy.
Anyways. As soon as I can I will try them out on gravel and the likes but right now I can't really go anywhere because of the corona situation
Yeah, that's a bit difficult at the moment.
Well, the 990 is a whole different beast than the Transalp with its 50 horsies. You may want to be a bit more tender with your throttle hand in the damp... :D
Hey Man!
You’re doing a great job in sharing your vast knowledge.
Thanks for that!
What I would only like to see more is that you have more subscribers.
Why don’t you have a look at Petr McKinnon channel and try to introduce some of the techniques that will broaden your audience. The guy gained over 1 million subscribers in less than a year, I think there is a lot to learn from him.
All the best in your TH-caming and hope to see you on the road one day ;)
Thanks Jarek, I will have a look.
Onace again thanks 👍
Any time!
Hi,I am using for my Yamha TDM 850 3VD Michelin Pilot. I can reccomend this tires for asphalt,easy offroad and rain. They are really good on rain. Its quiet heavy bike and my question is can I plan longer motorcycle trips with that bike? (I made some some videos on my channel on short trips and now I am planning some longer trips because of your good tips and videos).Thanks!
Useful info, thanks for adding!
Hi, im also an owner of a wonderful TDM 850 (4TX) and i made best experiences with the Michelin Anakee 3. It is a reliable good tire on every normal road, i can lay the machine into corners, till the footpegs scratches and for a little bit off road, they are also o.k. But i guess, the TDM is definitely one of the best touring bikes, but not really a good offroad-bike. For that i have my DR 650 .... Best regards from Bavaria/Germany.
Thanks for advice,do you maybe know how they act on the rain?
Hi, i must confess, that i avoid to drive in rain, as it is possible. But if it is unpreventable, i do not check out that maximum risk. On rain, i guess, the Michelin Pilot may be a little bit better.
I also think so. I ride almost every day and Pilot is also good in cold days.
Hello my friend how are you? I have an 80/20 travel plan with my Versys 650cc. pavement roads with cornice and gravel with height of 4000mts above sea level. I had thought of Heindenau K60 170/60/17 rear and Continental 120/60/17 tck70 front as there is no measure in 17 forwards for this bike. If you have a match, let me know. my style of travel is safe and confident to enjoy. Greetings. thank you very much.
I had Avon Trailmasters on my Versys 650 for my trip to Alaska and TKC 80's for some local logging roads
I will never recommend to use different tires from and rear. The reason of that is that they will react different on the curtain conditions. Try to find another brand and model which produce 17inc front. Check Mitas 07.
Good information. Thanks
The follow up question to 'are you going to ride offroad' should be 'how gnarly will the terrain be?' not 'what distance?'. IMO get the tires that will get you through the worst terrain you plan to ride, and live with the reduced lifespan, noise and limited cornering ability. A 90/10 tire doesn't help you if the 10% you plan to ride off road on your trip is 300miles of a BDR or TaT.
Excellent information ~
nice video, i ride a r1200gs and i already have to change tires with only 8000 kms (anakee 3)
I only ride on pavement and ocassionally on gravel roads, my next set will be the pirelli scorpion trail 2
I am guessing that you ride pretty fast. Try different brands and models and find the one suit you best.
I have 650 cc touring bike of 215 kg. Not agressive rider with max speed 120-130 on road. I like to go from time to time off road: gravel/dirt roads. Tire size is 17 inches both front and rear. I think about an 80/20 or maybe 70/30. What would you recommend? Thanks. Alexis.
Vstrom
Pavlin, an acquaintance wants to convince me that he was with BMW k100 rs motorcycle in the Desert. He argues that the most suitable for desert sand is worn tires with as little tread as possible. It is illogical to me. What are your experiences about that?
The best tires for sand looks like baloons with big treads.
@@motorcycleadventures Thanks for taking the time to respond, I appreciate it!!!
Hi Pavka, I am curious about what kind of photo camera you use. May be the topic for next video ;-)
Здрасти, имам Contour и GoPro Hero 5. Гледай това: th-cam.com/video/qRU44RA7byg/w-d-xo.html
Имах предвид фотоапарат, а не видео камера ;-)
Аха, не разбрах. Sony DSC 100 RX. : Тук го има: th-cam.com/video/nqSSpJbv79Y/w-d-xo.html
I have a query, how much power do a motorcycle should have to ride off road?, in India we have a 200kg 20bhp monster(which seems underpowered and over weighed) and we directly have an option at the high end motorcycles like 1200gsa, tiger 800,etc. So we don't have many motorcycles even as an option. So what is the power you think we need minimum for off road? And what motorcycle you own?
Thank you :)
Well, it's depends from your riding skills, what you are capable to do with this bike. Out of the road the more important is the weight off the motorcycle, not the power. I have Yamaha XT 660 Z, it is 48 H.P.
Ive seen people carry extra tires. Do they do this to change tires for long offroad/onroad sections? Like, 90/10 for highway, then change to 20/80 when the next the 500km are dirt. What do you think about this strategy?
I already talk about it in this video: th-cam.com/video/CuDm_9zuo3o/w-d-xo.html
If i chand bike tyre ASPECT RATIO than what's the affect on bike MILAGE, CHAIN SPROCKET and SPEEDOMETER.
My present tyre size 140/60-R17 And i proposed to change 140/70-R17
I am from India, and I never know how the road will be until and unless I am on it. Street tyres have done me well, but still I am not confident about them. I have a normal size 150 kg bike.
Whatever suit to you, your riding style and budget.
Motoz are looking like one of the best these days. Tkc80 dont last 2 or 3 thousand very expensive .
If you have chanse try mitas E10 its like tkc80 it same m+s it's just a lot more cheap 55euro front 65euro rear I ride with them 2 year in sommer winter rain off road and its same like tkc80.
it's nice to try out.
I have tried Mitas 09 and I was disappointment. The rear fall a part after 6,000km.
Yes I agree with you i have E9 but different design is E10
I have it now on bike and i will write to you how many km did with them
I put it on bike last in oktober riding about 7000km ok not in snow onli rain and mood asphalt max km/h 100-115km/m and stil it was in a good condition
I might try it.
Thanks a lot
Happy to help!
What tire can you suggest to me? It is okey to used tubeless tires on offroad?
Yes,if they have spokes.
... Yamaha MT09 Tracer with Bridgestone T30Evo at 'Désert des Agriates - Corsica Off Road Park' ... beat that =D (without crashing gg)
... nice video ;)
What ever suit to you and your riding style.
whats your taught about putting ride on sealant before getting a flat tiere?
I don't understand your question!
Some Adventure riders are using foam in the aerosol can for their flat tires for emergency whats your opinion thanks
If you have tubes, this is not an option.
Motorcycle Adventures If it’s an emergency have you ever tried it thanks
2 years left from this video, what tyres do you use in 2020?
Mitas 07+
@@motorcycleadventures i see. I am looking to get same e07 too, but i did not get what is the difference between e07 and e07+
P.S. i found your 2019 video with review of e07+, now i know the difference =)
Glad to help!
hi again!! i think that i'll go for Haidenau k60 ...
but i'll ask you something else about exhaust because i see that you have one exhaust..
if i sell my stock exhaust, and bought another one, note double, just one like you, i'll have to change something else? filter or something else?
With open air filter the engine with breath much better. When you change the exhaust you will need power commander or at least Kev's modification.
i have stock filter, foam.. if i don't change anything , and not put kevs mod or power commander and only put one or double exhaust, this will affect the power of bike and the way that engine works to the worst??
(i don't have money for other thinks now and i don't want to destroy the bike for just another exhaust)
The stock exhaust has catalyser in and lambda sonde , and because of that when you add different muffler, some of the settings need to be different. If you stay with the stock, it might not work on the way you expect it to work. Read more about it before you even try to do it.
thanks friend..keep up!!!
Hi Pavlin, i am just add to you chanell and i am so happy to find it.you are verry specific in you informations CONGRATULATION pavlin i am from colombia but i live en uk since many years if you loock for a partner to trvel to south america just let mi now i have a r1200gsa and i going to america next year good look
Thank you for taking time and watch my videos Gustavo! Good luck on your trips!
very useful
Hey what do you think about the Continental TKC 70? I want to drive trough skandinavia and the baltikum, so a little bit Offroad to get to good camping places will be in the trip.
Thank you very much!
Pablo
I never tried, but I have heard good things about it.
Why You don't like russian car? :-) Good video!
60 days Tour 26/7-1/10 15000 km Ukraina-russia-kaskstan-kirgistan- (Pamir Highway) tijistan-uzberistan-kaskastan-azerbaian-georgia-Turky on th middel-Norway, My bike is XTZ660A 2015. K60 or Mitas E08, ? I am to late to order E07..I will try to not do highways..
Excellent...
Thanks!
Hallo, danke für deine wertvollen Tipps!
I drive normally, on my old Varadero, Mezeler tourance next. This year I want to visit the Pyrenees and the Western Alps. There will probably be some gravel roads. Hopefully in dry weather. Now I'm wondering if the Mitas E07 is not the better choice. What do you think?
Mitas 07 is very good option for road and gravel as well.
ok, thanks for the renewed good advice
All tires will slip somewhere. Someone explain to me why you would sacrifice road grip for more traction in the dirt. Road hazards: trucks, cars, high speeds, lean angles, slick wet pavement. Off road hazard: getting stuck.
Because the dual sport tires will do it well on the asphalt, but I cannot say the same for street tires...
Reliable!
Can't seem to find an email
Tube type or tubeless?
nice
It's about right tires but what about left? ;-)
Well, I should make another video thought...
Lol.Depends where you are standing.
If you eliminate the wrong tires, use what's left. :))
I've left my tires to use the right ones. Now I am sure I am right and nothing left.
Anything is possible on a motorcycle, seen a family of nine on one bike, and the rider in control was trying to do a wheel stand. He was trying to save money on front tyres.
Yes, you are right. Sometimes the people try to beat the physic laws.
May Allah bless you in both the worlds for your best contribution to the biking humanity. Ameen.
good to know 🇵🇭
Come on Pavlin 5 days without posting a video??
Coming on Saturday: Motorcycle Auxiliary, Adventure lights - do we really need them?
What is more important to you? Your life or the life of your tire? I think this is the question you need to answer correctly.
How many people just want the look of an off road tyre. And don't really care about the wear.
At the end everything come to the personal choice.
I don't think the choice offered for motorcycle tyres is great really. An impossible task choose a 50/50 an have the worst of both worlds. But just know the limits is what i would say. Cars have it so much better.
I think that the there are more than enough options if you know what exactly you going to do with the bike. The problem is that many riders never follow this logic.
I have Pirelli scorpion trail. On grass or mud (at the side of road) they are an absolute joke. E-07 or tck80 are what i'm thinking. I want to do a bit of off road mainly poor surface than dragging my bike somewhere beyond me and the bikes limits. Also thanks for replying. It's very appreciated.
I don't really care about the wear. As touched on at the end of the video, I'm more interested in my life than the life of my tires, and I don't skimp on tires (or helmet).
More to your point, I don't think the problem is people caring more about the look of the tire than the wear of the tire, the problem is people carry more about the look of the tire than the traction of the tire. Riders who run dual sport tires because they think it makes their big adventure bike (that rarely if ever leaves the pavement) more badass are setting themselves up for a far more serious problem than frequent tire replacement. That's one thing I think that this video could have stressed more than just saying they can be tricky in corners. (Then again, I suppose those fools aren't even watching videos like this.)
Guess you pick a tyre for where you ride..example. if you going to ride around africa you will need more offroad tyre ore nobbies..if you travel in europe more tarmack tyres is nessesery...
Correct, if you know where will go will be easy to choose.
Motorcycle Adventures guess 50/50 tyres for very long rides are the choice....