Street or Adventure Tires for Motorcycle Travel?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 30 ก.ย. 2024
- What are the best tires for a long motorcycle trip? This is a good question, isn't it? Let me ask you this way: What do you prefer to play safe or spend less money? The first answer that might come to your mind will be - to play safe and spend as less as possible, fair enough, but when it comes to the tire choice this combination will be very rare and almost impossible.
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An off-road tire can go on the road, but a tire made only for the road won't serve you off the road,,, Thank you
Very true!
Try to go on road with a pair of Michelin starcross
@@-R-. yeah. There's definitely a lot of off road tires that are 100% not compatible for tarmac. Heck the most soft knobbies are downright dangerous in hard surfaces.
Agree. I need the dual tires to be able ease off onto the shoulder of the road safely when avoiding the jerk drivers. From the US. Thanks, and subscribed.
Glad to help, thanks for the sub!
Medical expenses dwarves the prices of tyres by quite a large margin. It should not be even up for discussion.
Fair enough!
Totally agree. I put E-07’s on the Vstrom for my trip in 2021, rode on tarmac most of the time, sure needed them on a couple of rough tracks. But I changed back to road oriented tires as soon as I got back, because of better handling, sharper steering, less road noise and there is no place for off-road adventures were I live.
Whatever is good for you, Marcel!
As I understand it: if you want more adventure, chose street tires
Whatever works for you!
Brilliant informative video!
As always!
Safe Rides Pavlin!
Thanks, you too!
Yeah, I do agree with "best tires for worst conditions".... Even though my father baptized me on a dirt road over the mountains after my first hour of road licence.... And it was on sport road tires (i survived, but I was scared and tired).... And once you go adventure riding, you really will miss it very much.
Thanks for taking the time!
Better to be safe than sorry, Pavlin, as you correctly state. I loved Heidenau K60 Scout on my Transalp 600 PD06 on ACT Pyrenees over the last weeks. No specialist tyres, but they do everything quite well. And they do last. All the best from Nürnberg/Germany, Günter
Thanks for sharing, Günter!
very informative video. id like to ask something about wild camping in Bulgaria.. In Romania wild camp can be done almost everywhere, how is it in Bulgaria? Since im a new rider id like to begin from my country and come to visit yours, but ive been told that i can get rough with the laws over there.
Well said, well thought out,
Adding the videos of your "Roads less traveled" is a powerful teaching tool to illustrate why you choose how you do.
Ahough I did not start serious riding until I was 76, Crusers since I no longer heal as fast.
I spent most of my life involved in teaching how to avoided and developing programes based on mistakes often resulting in sudden death.
Thus I deeply appreciate how you reason and explain your reasoning based on your own real world experiences.
Although my "Off road" is simply a bit of gravel and unpaved dirt roads on my Honda Shadow the reminders on the decision making process, planing, equipment decisions, PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY are invaluable no matter the style of riding.
Thanks for taking the time, Mike!
100% agreement on having tires for the worst conditions. For some reason, people underestimate how much tires affect traction and handling on dirt. You're going on a ride for fun, right? For an adventure. You've budgeted money for the trip, so get the tires that will make the trip a success instead of a nightmare! Sure, they may be toast when you get home, but it's just one of the expenses for the trip.
Thanks for taking the time!
Thank you Pavlin! Very good video, as usual. Funny: I already had my favourite drink before I found this. 😀
Perfect!
Pavlin…we really miss your videos from India, Pakistan , Mongolia………Please start to ride again for this veryyyyyyy veryyyyyy loooooong trips. Garage videos are very usefull, but i remember when i was watching your videos , very late in the night, after finding a parking place for my truck.
I am starting after a week my way to Magadan
Just a quick reminder that Kosovo is a Serbian province.
Ok
Best advice for tires for my 2017 T120. In Iowa, United States. I ride 2 lane cou try highways, but, often need to pull into the gravel shoulder, and gravel parking lots . Would an 80/20 be best?
Thanks for the info!
Your video made perfect sense. I live in Colombia South America and just bought a new Himalayan and now need a new tire just like you I'm not very good off road so I will take your advice and buy a more aggressive tire. Thank you for the video.
Saludos
Glad I could help!
Are those Metzler Karoo Streets you have on the table at the beginning of this video? How were they for you they come on the bike i am buying next week. I love your videos btw no nonsense and every video is enjoyable and informative to watch
They are fine on the road and light dirt roads.
I like it ;)
Good!
Informative vid as always! In three weeks I will have had my driver's license for a year.
Have almost ridden a thousand km on my Himalayan.
Looking for new dirt roads all the time.
The asphalt roads feel like when you use "fast forward" when watching a boring movie.
Have fun!
Excellent video!... I've noticed over the years a lot of young guys shy away from a more aggressive tire because of lack of durability/mileage and having to install the tires. Once they acquire the knowledge and the tools tire mileage isn't such a big deal cuz they learn how to pop on and take off tires easily and quickly. One thing I've done on all my bikes street and dirt/dual sport is to have an extra set of rims so you can have tires on them ready to go.😁🥃
Most likely you have sufficient if too much budget to do that thou. ✌️
Thanks for sharing!
Your logic is absolutely correct! Your content is more relevant with each video. Thanks from California.
I appreciate that, Jim!!
Preparing things for hardest part of journey can keep our wallet from getting thinner!
Absolutely!!
So far hidenau works for me ,on road,off road, bitumen,mud,sand and they last minimum 12000km
Thanks for sharing, Sasha!
Exactly, many thanks.
You're very welcome!
one video = thousand of frame rate...hehehe...
True!
Dear Pavlin, please let us know what tires you use now?
Mitas 07+
And punctures, or lack of, hopefully.
My dual sport tyres with thicker carcass hopefully suffer less punctures.
I may be lucky but since I switch to continental I am flat free. ( fingers crossed )
Good one Happy travels 👍
Forgot to mention this as well! Thanks for adding!
So true especially if you have a capable motorcycle a set of adventure tires is a great thing to have because you will eventually begin to get curious as to where those roads go and having tires for it is so rewarding
Absolutely!
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thank you sir
Most welcome!
90% of off road issues are the front slipping or sliding, I prefer to use a more aggressive tyre on the front than the rear. Depending on the motorcycle and wheel size, 50/50 tyres on the rear lots of choices now days, Hedenau K60, Motoz Rallz, Karoo3, E07, Dunlop Missions even the old original Tourance, for the front the same and the old favourite TKC80. However, look at the tyres on the motorcycles that the locals ride 250cc or less and standard tyres....I think tyres are a personal preference of endurance, feel on the road and price.
Prepair for the worst and hope for the best.
Exactly!
Great information, Pavlin. This content will help me for my next tire set decision. Keep the great work and looking forward for your next content. If you make one detailed and comparing some of your favorite brands, that would be great.
Glad it was helpful!
Adventure tires. I have KTM 790 ADV R
Hej Pavlin, maybe you could advise me. I'm going to have some little offroad - around 200km TET and I have brand new rear tire, but dedicated to 20% offroad only Metzeler Tourance. Does it make sense to change only one front tire to Anakee Wild or if make some changes then always replace two tires? Could anyone advise? Thanks.
What bike?
@@motorcycleadventures BMW F650GS 2010 twin - 199kg wet
Buy a proper dirt tires
@@motorcycleadventures Ok, thanks.
Pozdrowienia z Polski Pawlin!!
Thanks, man!
My Africa Twin 1100 AS ES will be 100% pavement. I just prefer the upright seating position more. I'll be running 90/10 tires. Plenty for pavement.
Whatever works for you.
Excellent vídeo Pavlin!! I prefer short vídeos.👏🏻👏🏻🇧🇷🇧🇷
Good!
Always safe! with motorbike and car tires. If you try to safe money from that... You have yourself and others with it.
True
According to statistics, other people and vehicles pose a greater threat than bad roads. In my experience, 20/80 touring tires perform equally poorly everywhere. 50/50 or more off-road is dangerous on asphalt. There is no perfect choice, only compromises.
Agree about the compromises.
Great points! I am currently on a 22 pan America and the street/ stock tires are no fun even on a smooth gravel road. In a few more miles I'll be on something more off road oriented. Thanks for sharing!
Any time!
Unfortunately some bikes require 160 mm wide tire on the back and there are no 50-50 tire of this width, only 80-20, like the Michelin Anakee Adventure.
It is what it is!
All points you made are excellent, but especially appreciate that last one.....so true!! Just ordered the first new set for my T7 a couple days ago, looking forward to putting them to use!! Cheer Pavlin!
Glad it was helpful, Allen!
Watch to the end. If you play in the dirt, you stay in the dirt. I went light off road for the first time in 2014 and now I have yhe Nordic TETs, the Portuguese TET and ACT, the French TET, Pyrenees ACT and much of the Welsh and English TET done and loved. My bike for everything is my 2016 701 Husqvarna Nomad. Tyres are what make an unexpected detour or a road becoming mud or gravel fun, rather than crapping your pants. I love my Motoz Rallz, but for a big mixed road and unplanned off road, I'm having tyres with a bit of off road bite. My Rallz have a half life of 4,000 km and still hook up in dirt. I put fresh rubber on for every big trip, and wear my half worn tyres for the road or the dry.
Thanks for sharing your experience, Andrew!
EXACTLY! Even a 50/50 tire will last thousands of miles on the road, and still be capable of spirited road riding. Struggle, and get a flat tire with a sticky toad tire even 10 miles into a dirt track, where you have to HIKE out and you will be sold on ADV tire 🙂
True
i was in the other way around, bought a chinese 200cc dual sport bike with knobby, as a beginner i thought they were cool
till one day, i slipped on wet tarmac around the neighboor during summer and wasn't wearing gear (got scratchs on my knee, elbow ..etc )
i swapped them immediately for 80/20 ones
Whatever works for you. Also, there is big difference between knobby tires as well.
I’m enjoying your videos, TH-cam is now sending me lots of them. I bought a big heavy Pan America last year because I liked it better for my on pavement long rides. But then the dirt curiosity got me. So now I am hooked! This year is all short adventures on dirt, 2, 3, and 4 day trips that can be minimal pavement and larger percentage of time on dirt.
Have you settled on a tire?
On my DR650 a really good tyre combo was a Pirelli MT21 up front, with a Mitas E-07 on the rear. The front would steer through everything, and that E-07 was a traction monster that would chew into everything and corner slide in the dirt just oh so nice. Oh, and they did okay on the roads too 😁
Thanks for sharing!
Hi Pavlin
I cannot disagree with th your opinion
Cheers Barry 🏍
Thanks 👍!
How many times You drop the 660 (for last several years) and have You ever drop T7?
I did it a few times. Not yet the T700
Agree 100%. Just a few add-ons: 1. Regarding durability, Dunlop Trailmax Missions are known to get 12,000 miles. Similar with Heidenaur and MotoZ Traccionator GPS. Yes, you can have your cake and eat it too. 2. Even "50/50s" can't save you from all situations. Recently I tried to get up a hill on deep sand on my Dunlop Trailmax tires and they just spun, wouldn't bite the sand and I ended up burning up my clutch on my VStrom. 😞 Dumb me. 3. In rain on pavement they certainly aren't as reliable as street tires, but my solution for that is to just slow down a lot.
It is what it is! More mileage usually means less traction off-road.
Based on the experiences I made with heavy "Adventure" bikes, I agree 100%. No issue to use the nobbiest possible on the street, but you get f**ked as hell with 50/50 tires if the pavement ends and the tracks are not horizontal any more. Just look at the videos on TH-cam from countless "Adventure" riders. Struggle and fear, not fun. Thanks, Pavel.
My pleasure!
Amazing views!!! You're cool!
I'm using Mitas e07+ on x1200tz
Good on light off road, not very good on wet concrete way.
Thanks for sharing!
Hi Pavlin great compilation of road surface you could encounter on a trip. And I agree you have to be prepared for the worst, and than is mostly Off-Road, and there is only one option 50/50 tires (or even more like 60-70% Off-Road and 30-40% On-Road) I’m used the default tires for the 890 Adventure-R Metzler Karoo-3, but I switch to Michelin Anakee Wild they both are great tires for the purpose you described. But I think the Michelins stay better for a longer period as the Metzler’s it seems. Building a bike that serves you on the road is easy, but a bike that serves you On and Off road is much more difficult thing. The same is for Tyres. But luckily there are way better tyres now available that in the time that Conti launched there TK80’s. Good for all adventure ore Enduro riders.
Thanks for sharing!
Yes correct I do prefer tô be safe and not sorry. But with better skill.
Fair enough!
This is a good video. Having ridden motorcycles myself for over 40 years, it makes sense and is correct. But if riders want only tarmac, then yes stay with street tires. The adventure is when one leaves the tarmac. Safe travels. So #relaxzd 💯😎
Fair enough!
my shinko 800 series tires were cheaper than fixing my bent handlebars,shift lever, and mirrors that broke from the lack of traction riding highway oriented tires on dirt when they lost traction in the dirt, plus the shinkos have better on road wet performance than my previous tires.
Thanks for sharing your experience!
Pavlin, should I lower the air pressure on my dual sport tires when I'm riding on wet tarmac? I tried to put the correct psi written in the manual but it doesn't grip so well. Btw the stock tires that came with my bike are road tires not dual sports. Like you I ride 10% offroads, but when I'm back on the road and comes the rain, my confidence drops significantly to the point that I had to stop on the side of the road. Is there a way to may it safer for to use dual sport tires on wet tarmac?
No, you don't have to do anything! Just slow a bit and ride as you should ride in wet conditions.
Could you for once make a video I can disagree with ? I feel like becoming a yes man 🤭
Sure, just tell me the topic!
Pierwszy!!!
Fast!
… and modern dual sport tyres perform pretty well on asphalt as well..
True
Excellent video. You make a convincing case for ADV tires for fun and safety on the worst sections encountered. The newest tires are so good now that they seem to do everything well.
Glad it was helpful!
Thank you for sharing this video.
I have always heard that you choose your tires based on the worst conditions of your trip.
That is correct!
Hi!
Everything you said is correct. but... if I'm on the road for 10,000 km on asphalt and decent roads, there's no reason to have 80% off-road tires. why? Because in my opinion it is not safer to drive on asphalt and especially in the rain with such tires than with 80% road-asphalt tires. Moreover, it is not even pleasant to listen to the noise that these tires produce on the asphalt. Especially if you have a passenger. Many of my friends who drove women (passenger)complained about the noise of such tires. in my opinion, I'd rather have 80/20 road tires and enjoy driving and sacrifice a few kilometers of harder off-road. it also depends on which motorcycle it is... but I appreciate what is better for you…. 👍👍
Use whatever is good for you.
Interesting. My Tenere 700 came with 50/50 tires and I rode that on the highway and dirt with great traction. And get this, even though I've been riding street bikes for 36 years, I had never ridden a bike off road before I got my T7. Grant that that T7 is one amazing bike for off-roading and can make even a rookie feel like a pro. OK not really but it does inspire a lot of confidence.
During the lifetime of the OEM tires, 95% of the time I rode them on the streets and pavement. And trust me when I say that I love riding my motorcycle in the rain. While others are afraid and tense up, it relaxes me. I rode my T7 with the original 50/50 OEM tires on freeways doing 55-70 mph with no issues what so ever. I was doing 60-65 mph in the rain around the transition overpasses of the freeways. To think that a 50/50 tire is unsafe on a wet road makes me wonder about your knowledge and experience. Specially riding in the rain and your riding style.
Yeah, compare the traction of a 90/10 to a 50/50 on the road, the more road oriented tire will have more grip, but when you hit the dirt road and your 90/10 or 80/20 stars sliding around you'll wish you had more off road grip. But hey, may be you are the type that won't ride on anything other than a flat dirt fire road or well maintain dirt road. Like Forest Gump said in the movie about life being like a box of chocolates, so are unknown dirt roads. You never know what you are going to get.
Also keep in mind that traction either on the pavement or off-road, and specially on wet conditions, can vary a lot from one tire to another even within it's same class. The Anakee tires are called the Panakee for a reason. Yet some people feel that the Anakee is a great tire even in the rain.
I side more with what he said in the video. While traveling through Mexico and Central America one can try to stay as much as one can on the pavement and highways. But, you end up missing a lot of the country and the beauty those countries have to offer. And trust me when I say that any serious and seasoned world traveler whom has been in third world countries will never be caught riding a 90/10 or 80/20 tires. It's not about being cool or worrying about what others might think, but due to the fact that roads can vary a lot. From excellent paved roads to sandy, to loose gravel, to mud, to rocky, or anything in between. Things can change a lot in no time. You never know what is coming. Trying to ride on a bike with 90/10 or 80/20 tires in mud is like trying to ride a motorcycle of an ice ring. Good luck with that. It's hard enough on 50/50 tires.
Another thing to keep in mind, is that in the vast majority of 3rd world countries the speed limits even on their highways are much lower than in most developed countries. Certainly slower than here in the US. Therefore the high grip people feel that they need at highway speeds in the US or other countries is less true in those countries.
About the noise, because I am educated on how much motorcycling damages our hearing, I always wear earplugs. Trust me, earplugs not only reduces the noise levels protecting your hearing above 55 mph, where the problem starts, but it also reduces fatigue on long rides. Earplugs should be a must in everyone's gear bag. Oh and keep in mind that not all 50/50 tires are created equally, some are louder than others. In fact, some be rather quiet.
The only downside that I have encountered with 50/50's over the 90/10 or 80/20's is the vibration. Some (noticed I said some) of the 50/50 tires can cause more vibration than others. OK for short to mid size rides, you may not be OK with longer rides. Again, depending on the tire.
And, for the life in me, I can't understand how women can ride in the back seat of someone else's bike. I ride my own bike, thank you very much! Most women don't know this, but 59% of women killed on motorcycle accidents are killed while riding in the back seat.
Thank you as usual for one more great information, what brand do you prefer for 50/50 in Scandinavia as you already know its rainy here even in summer time and temperatur jumping between +30c to +5c in some places.
Continental TKC 80 will be a good choice.
@@motorcycleadventures Thanks man, good i have allready little used TKC 80 on perfect then i dont need to change 😉
some guy told me TKC is old brand and you have to change to better ones that was the reason to search on you tube and i found your Vlog.
have a nice time
This is the most important video from you
Good!
It seems tire planning is still a thing. Make sure you have a choice.
Absolutely!
My friend. You are right. But keep in mind that most of us are not you.
The problem with us is that we maybe have 3 weeks per year to go on a longer trip. The rest of the year we ride on tarmac in the weekend. So before vacation we have to get the road tire changed to a nobbie. And after that to change it back to a road tire. This means 200.00 euro just for the tire change. Then also the problem that every motorcycle shop a few weeks before the great time of the vacations begins that they have no time to change a tyre. That is our reallife situation.
Maybe sometimes we can get another week of freetime. That is to short for a longer trip.
Use whatever tires are good for you.
@@motorcycleadventures
Mr. Pavlin,
A few years ago i bought the tires that you adviced when you where in Mongolia. Not sure anymore. Mitas ? They were great when going away from the tarmac. And good on the tarmac. They rumbled on the road but did not care cause i was not in a hurry. I was pleased back then with your advice and with the fact that i followed your advice. For now i will use those that came with the Norden. But before i will go on a larger trip i will buy the same ones again.
The bill i have still somewhere laying around.
My favourite drink, coffee
Good!
I always have 50/50 tyres on my XR660R, some times 80/20, sometimes full MX tyres, but I do like taking that bike off road.
I have started using Mitas E10 on my KTM 1290 Super Adventure S because they give me more confidence on poor quality tarmac / asphalt roads like is found everywhere in the UK. Road tyres like Michelin Road 6 don't like uneven surfaces, Mitas E10 just doesn't notice the poor condition and keeps gripping. Yes the Road 6 will ultimately grip way better and last way longer, but overall, for my kind of riding, the Mitas E10 feels better. Plus, it has encouraged me to adventure further off road on the big 1290 😁👍
Great work Pav, thank you.
Thanks for sharing your experience, Nick!
Thanks for sharing your thoughts. As you, i have a heavy bike. The Africa Twin Adventure Sports and I bought the Mitas E10. Waiting for delivery. How many kms you make with them?
@@madeiraonwheels on my 1290 SAS I got 3.5k miles out of the rear and I think the front will do a second rear so pretty good for a full knobby tyre. To be honest, my riding was 95% Road 5% off road so if you do more off road, they should last a bit longer. 👍
I completely agree, well said
Thanks, man!
Great job on the video!
Glad you liked it!
Great video but i think the best tire is new black color tire
ok its a joke i use 50/50 tires too
Thanks for sharing!
Totaly depends on how much off , on road
For me its all road , if i went off it would be very minor and dry
Fair enough!
Agreed.
Good!
100% Agree!
Thanks, man!
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Thanks for taking the time!
Gs r 80g/s first version 83 heidenau, the tyreshop gave me this, because of the size rear tyre...i will try them out, wish me luck🏍️Bob Belgium thx for great content!
Thanks for sharing!
You should be teacher. Cheers and ride safe.
In my next life!
Well.. he kinda is on this channel :)
@@PatchedBandit no he is not he is a motorcycle rider, he said him self in next life. He will work at school wear glasses, and teach a class ride a bike leave the wife/girlfirend at home. 😁
I completely agree with your reasoning. One of the things I dislike are "dual purpose" tires that are OE, most seem to be only road useful and not genuinely capable off tarmac to even the smallest degree.
It is what it is!
Thank you Pavlin very usual
For me as a beginner in the Motorbikeworld
I ride also a Tenere 700 with the scorpions tires
And my next step is it to trying ofroad
But here in Luxexemboug as a small country we don’t have so much space for free rides in off-road
Thank you to share your experience with us
And be save
Any time!
Try the TET France. It starts right at the border in Schengen down south. Or TET Belgium starting near Grumelage. There should be some off tarmac part like I experienced on TET Netherland. BTW I'm happy with my 50/50 tyres on my T7 and now after 15.000 km mainly on tarmac they are still fine for a few more thousand kilometers 💙💛🏁🤛🏼
Spot on Pavlin, totally agree ,tyres make all the difference, especially on the type of terrain you can ride.
I prefer a more dirt focused front tyre, not necessarily an aggressive type like a Pirelli MT 21, which I do have on my DR650, but something like a TKC 80 works great on my T7 and gets good mileage.
Rear tyres maybe not so important as being less aggressive on the throttle make life easier and rear tyres generally wear out first, I like the Motoz Tractionator adventure on my T7 , it has good off-road grip but does wear well.
But it all comes back to compromise and experience, you have to try different tyres in different situations and find what works for you, some tyres work great but some people hate the howl that comes from more aggressive tyres on the bitumen roads, so don’t like them for that one reason.
👍👍👍👍👍👍
Thanks for taking the time and sharing your experience again!