I was in Laconia for bike week 2019. Had an issue with my '17 Limited. Had no idea John would be the one looking at my bike. Great guy, took care of me really quickly and was awesome to talk with. I just wanted to thank you, John, for being there and taking care of my situation. Many thanks brother! Wish you great success in all you do! Greg
Appreciate your time & energy in putting out the vids, John. After a '93 1100 Shadow, '12 Triumph Thunderbird 1600, I picked up my first HD - an '18 M8 107 FLTRU on 4/30/18. I put the 4" Rineharts on last month, and In 2 weeks she's going in for 5k service / HD S2 Tq cam, / high flow air cleaner & tuner. I've been watching the fluids since seeing your (and others' ) vids. No issues thus far. Thanks again & keep them coming!
Just stumbled across your channel and as a old scooter tramp(50yrs) I think this is one of the best i;ve seen on yt, Great training visuals and explanations on the bikes. Just like sitting down with my bro, drinking a beer and bsing. I'm starting a marathon watching today. Thx.
John, I’ve been a Motorcycle owner for over fifty years. Been tinkering with anything mechanical from trains, planes and automobiles for just a little longer. I do not watch many videos from people giving mechanical advice, as I have found many to be misinformed! I do really appreciate you taking the time to produce these straight forward, knowledgeable, and very informative videos! I’ve enjoyed your channel. Thank you!
Hey John, great video. I tend to watch Matt's dealer show videos every year and he mentioned you. No idea who you were.... I laughed out loud multiple times watching your videos. Plus I learned what "sumping" is. I know my tech would always roll his eyes if I started a conversation with "I saw this on the internet". I trust my tech with my life since yes I am on two wheels so he would always take the time to explain what was really going on and take good care of me. Anyway you seem like a very trustworthy person which is high praise. Good job, you have a new subscriber!
Thanks you for posting this video. I have a 2017 Road Glide Special with a Stage 3 Upgrade, I have put over 6K miles, no issues whatsoever. I drive the bike every single day year round. Harley did an awesome job with the M8 I’m very happy.
I'm actually excited about the M 8, I'm looking forward to having one, just got my RoadKing fully serviced , now ,back to Texas from Charlotte NC, a good ride
Only because I love this channel did I just set through a 5 minute ad right in the middle of this video that I could’ve skipped. John you the man. Also I’m test riding the 2018 street bob Friday!!!!!!!
Hey - that's my bike!! I have #855 of the 115th Anniversary Heritage Softail. Absolutely LOVE IT!!!! Thanks for sharing your thoughts - always appreciated 😁
I have an 18 Road Glide Special w/ M8, Love it and have had zero issues, right at 8500 miles, in 10 months. Only Harley I've purchased new, Best Harley I've ever owned. Great Video, Keep On Keepin On.
jim wortham well other people have posted problems before their first 1,000 miles. If there is a defect that is going to cause fluid transfer he would have seen it by now
Just lived the oil transfer issue on my FLHTK 2019. In just about 500 miles, it had transferred about a quart of Formula 80W oil. Nothing broken, no catastrophic failures. When I became aware of the issue, I was on a road trip. Stopped at O’Tools Wurtsboro NY where a very friendly tech advisor understood exactly what was happening. Offered to repair in next few hours as they had the fix kit in stock but I was limited in time. Quick solution was to empty excess in an aluminium cooking pan from the derby cover and refill trans at hotel. Upon return home, went to my dealer who knew of the issue at hand.They had the bulletin notice and the repair kit to resolve. A couple hour later bike was fixed. 750 miles later, all is good and the oil level hasn’t dropped one drop. Conclusion, their is a fix and it works well. Just a note to say both dealers assured me it’s not a recall as not every bike will have this issue. You can have 100 bikes built in a row and only a few could have this issue, hence why it’s not a recall but a service bulletin I was told. Hey, sh*t happens.
@@jmc2567 Hey, it’s part of the Harley experience ! How else would they get you to visit the showroom ? In this perfect world where no other brands of motorcycles have recalls or service issues, it leaves Harley to stand out from the rest. The joy and pleasure a Harley provides is far outweighed with the technical issues that occur with Harley . Own one and find out. Big hello from Canada.
I just discovered your Channel by accident today and I love it! I'm really not a Harley guy at all, but I find your videos really interesting. Some times your content applies to the type of bikes I like to wrench on. Cheers!
Dude I love your freaking facial expressions... classic. I've had my M8 for a little over a month now and loving every minute. Also a side note I actually had never heard of any of these problems and I saw the video title and got slightly nervous then watched the video and my conclusion is the interwebs will be the interwebs thanks for the info bud much appreciated.
Thanks for the video. I was one of the lucky ones to have an oil pump failure. The first question they asked if I have a stage four done. No it's stock except for slip ons. 2017 ultra limited. The problem occurred at 12k miles. I pulled in on Sunday afternoon and had my bike back Monday night
Love your videos and the way you edit, please don’t ever stop. I have two M8’s both 2017, I commute 30k Miles a year. My first M8 had the oil pump go bad, I was a few blocks from the dealership and rode there. They replaced everything so far no issues again, it was a twin cooled with a stage 3 114”, that was in oct 2016 when they first came out. Worries me they found some metal shavings in the pump, but I wouldn’t trade the bike for anything, I love the motor
I've been an HD tech for a long time , 35 plus years this is just the latest "public freak out " over just everyday minor things .Well done ,keep up the good work
I personally asked John most of these questions myself back in April when I was considering trading my old Triumph for a new FLHRXS. I got the same answers privately from him as hes giving you guys here. Everyones experiences are different, but my bike has been trouble free so far, and I personally couldn't be happier switching from the Speed Triple to the Harley. At the end of the day, thats what warranty is for :) Thanks for the video, John!
I'm and old time Harley guy but after many problems with bikes and Harley I traded my Street Glide for a Triumph Storm, I'll never go back to that junk.
Thanks for doing this video! I just bought a Sport Glide last month and then right afterwards I heard all about the issues the m8 is supposedly having. It's a major relief to hear this. Keep up the good work!
Another GREAT Video John! As I've said before, you are one of a few that I look forward to new Videos from! Last Saturday was Faribault H-D Customer Appreciation Day. I told several people about your Video’s and that they need to watch them! They seemed very interested! Take care my Brother! Willie
Got 1600 miles on my M8 and I love it. The hard candy chameleon flake had me hooked at first sight. Love your channel thanks for all the great info you provide!
Just shared this in a huge Road Glide forum where the Milwaukee 8 seems to get these hyped up “horror” stories about the sumping issue. I have 7,000 miles on mine so far, problem free. And a few of my friends have M8 bikes and love theirs as well. I am very impressed with the new engine and have no regrets at all from trading in a twin cam bike for it. Great video 🤘
I have a question. It gets hot in Albuquerque sometimes, and the M8 engine kicks off a cylinder to conserve heat when the engine gets too hot, generally when the motor gets hot i see oil start to leak out of the air cleaner which i'm not sure is normal, or if it was occurring regardless or if there's a problem i'm pretty sure its just that there was a tiny bit too much oil in the pan and it just sprayed through into the cleaner but i'm just curious, this has happened on my '18 Fat Bob, as well as my Dad's '17 Street Glide Special
Great video. Had the rocker seal leak happen on my 2018 heritage with around 5k miles. It was a October build so guess that would be considered an early build. Warranty covered....in and out.....no big deal. Keep the videos coming. Love them.
Just bought a 2019 Street Glide. Originally went to the dealer to test a 2016 SGS, nice but then asked to take out a M8 to compare. I was sold on the 2019 SG before the ride was halfway through.
Rains like that in South Louisiana. Matt Laidlaw did a video with one of his employees who had an issue with the oil pump. Went through the issue and what was done to fix it
nicely done. refreshing to hear from a guy that actually wrenches on the bikes. I remember all the negative hype about the 96" motor mine has performed flawlessly since 2007.
John - This is the first time I've seen one of your videos, and hit the 'Subscribe' button about 45 seconds in, LOL. Your demeanor as a presenter, and the "I'm a highly trained UNprofessional" remark, was sufficient reason to subscribe, LOL! Keep up the great work! Shiny side up, brother!
John, one of your best videos to date brother. Use of visual aides added a lot. Thanks and keep it coming. I have a 2013 CVO Roadglide and a 2018 Slim with a stage 4 kit. Quite a bite a difference in the feel between the two motors. Still love my twin cam. The 8 is so smooth. Good info in this video... now I know a few things to look for on my Slim. What bike are you going to get with the M8 ?
Another great video man, I know what you're saying about the internet and taking things out of proportion and sometimes creating problems that are non-existent. Several years ago Stihl moved fuel injection in their concrete saws but they knew that it would likely get a negative feedback and the people would create a problem where there was none and say that it was no go so instead of hyping up that they were going to fuel injection on these concrete saws they did it very very quietly and didn't say anything didn't advertise it much and before they knew it people were in love with the fuel injector over the old carbureted and they didn't even know it.
Hey, John. Great video as usual...thanks! I heard the same thing from my dealer here is Spokane, WA (Lone Wolf Harley-Davidson) on these issues, but it was great to hear confirmation from you. I'm not sure why so few incidents catch like wild fire online.
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Thank you for this video. I avoided it at first, bought a M8 two days ago. This info is a great comfort.
John. You’re the man. Thank you for putting this video out. I’m going to refer people to it. I get the oil pump question a lot and the oil transfer question a lot. People don’t realize that even if there is a little oil transfer from the transmission to the primary that it’s such a small amount that it won’t do anything. Especially if you’re servicing your bike according to the intervals specified by H-D. The bikes that do have a problem represent less than 1% of the M8s on the road. I look forward to seeing you at the dealer show this year. I LOVE MY Milwaukee 8. Sell that sporty and get one!
Hey John and Matt, great video John! Two questions for both of you. 1) will you be covering the show live like last year? Apparently it will be interesting :-) and 2) I have done 16'000 miles with my 2017 M8 RKS in a year and am wondering if it is worth doing a stage 2 cam upgrade (for torque as I like torque) at 20'000 and if I should also upgrade the clutch basket at the same time?
I’m will not be doing a live feed, and the torque cam question should be coming up in a video soon. It’s a lot of info to type! It’s not as simple as yay or nay!
That was one of the first things that I learned back when I was tooling around on my 73 Shovelhead Stroker, was to keep oil to the bottom of the clutch basket gear, I had a closed primary case.
Great video and I watch all your videos plus I'm buying a M8 but I'm waiting for the new blue coming out on the street glide special. Amazing video I tell all my Harley friends about your videos.
Thanks for sharing this....seeing that you and Matt Laidlaw are cool with each other & the go to Harley Davidson guys, you my friend have gained a new subscriber. 👍🤟
I have a 17 road king with the m8 and I love it. If you get the chance to own one don't pass it up. They are awesome motors. Thanks for the knowledge John!
As someone who rebuilds small and big blocks and who has owned an EVO, sold it years back and am now researching HD's and Indians, let me tell you it is honest to goodness stuff like this that you put out that does more to educate the layman than anything else could. You certainly are not going to hear any of this from the salesman. Your honest and integrity is much appreciated.
I just made an appointment with the Harley dealership about 12 hours ago to have my rocker box gasket replaced under warranty. And I’m just watching your video now, kind of ironic. Thanks for the info!👍🍺 heritage classic 2020 114
Well just FYI I had a 2018 road king special that had the transfer issue. I heard about the problem from the H-D forums so I decided to check mine. I had 480 miles on the bike at the time and barely had any fluid on the tip of the dipstick. Took it to the dealer and of course they told me what you said and to drive it for 1000 miles and recheck. So I was going to do my 1000 miles service so that was 520 since last checked the tranny fluid. So I decided to check all the fluids before servicing. The transmission dipstick was completely dry. Dealer came and picked up the bike and after they looked it over and measured the ounces they told me it actually transferred 11 or 15 ounces in that 520 miles. So pretty bad I think. Of course the MOCO was stalling and they didnt want to fix it. So the dealer set all my fluids where they were supposed to be and gave me the 1000 mile service for free. Told me to keep riding it and checking the fluids regularly and adjust when needed. So I’m thinking I can’t go on long rides like I want to because every 400-500 miles I would have to drain and refill the primary and transmission until the MOCO decides to fix it if ever. So I was mad enough and tired of it and knew not all bikes were affected. So I took a chance and traded that bike at another Harley dealership on a new road glide ultra. It now has 2500 miles and not a single ounce has been transferred with this bike. I think I lucked out. But I believe the MOCO has tolerance issues with several of these bikes maybe just between a certain time frame at the factory. The new seals I’ve heard of being replaced didn’t work for anyone. Harley hasn’t replaced any transmissions yet that I’ve heard of. Probably why you see so many 2017 and 2018 bikes with very low mileage have already been traded back in or for sale. Sorry for the long comment.
Thats extremely hard to do.....as the used bikes most people want are the ones where someone bought a Harley but didnt really ride it...thats the "sweet spot" with Harleys...guys who think they can buy a Harley and it will suddenly make them "cool" so you can get a barely used bike at a huge discount...and this is a HUGE market. IF the issue is affecting less than 1 percent, as John stated, then its also only affecting 1% of the used/traded in market also...well maybe more if there was a predominant amount traded in due to the issue. IF you have an honest dealer, there should be a maintenance history available for the bike if it was serviced by Harley and was turned down warranty coverage (if you are getting it from a dealer). But even so, if you get one that has this seepage issue, its still hardly a catastrophic type issue, provided you check your fluids every 1000 miles or so?? You are saying you wouldnt take a long trip because of it?? I dont understand why? If I was on a 1000 mile trip, I absolutely would be checking my fluids every 2-3 gas stops, and if any were significantly low I would be adding more fluid? Granted, if its the primary that is low, I cant really check that, but if I know the issue is primary fluid seaping into transmission (the issue is opposite of this) I would then see additional fluid in the transmission and would know that there could be an issue. None of these problems would even remotely change the way I ride as none are going to "blowup" my motor as long as I do routine maintenance and keep an eye on things as I always do anyhow.....the issue is being somewhat overblown because of the internet. You can make 10,000 perfect motors but if 1 of them has issues, thats the one that you will see mentioned in every motorcycle forum on the planet....int he big picture this is nowhere near as bad as people are stating. Please dont take this post as a "dig" brother...its not meant that way...and congrats on your new bike.
RedRider0151 guess you missed the part where I said every 400-500 miles I would have to do the fluid changes in the transmission and primary. Because the transmission transferred 11-15 ounces in 520 miles. For one that will get expensive. Also who wants to be bothered with trying to do a roadside fluid change while out. Also I do my own services so I wouldn’t stop into another Harley dealer a pay them what they want for service work that’s big money. If you would be happy having this problem and making payment on in my case a brand new $24,000.00 bike than by all means you go for it. I’ve had other new Harley’s that didn’t have any problems and that’s the way I like it. But if you want to spend all that money on a bike and have to go through all that hassle then you do it it’s your life and your money do it how you see fit.
2017 SGS - Mine has a Stage IV, oil cooled. My dealer put in the updated oil pump as a part of the Stage IV at no additional cost. Just had my 15k service done... 5k miles on the Stage IV, no issues. Love the bike.
Agreed. You might check out Kevin, at MCRIDER. He puts out great MC 101 that can be a very good technique reminder for experienced riders. I have been riding for a solid 42 years...we all can develop bad habits.. Cheers! Rubber on the bottom
Awesome. 😊 👌 First vid I've seen and subscribed. Great content, classic presentation (loved the actual look into the mechanical side, I'm a visual learner) and humour. Got yourself a subscriber, keep up this type of content. I've just caught the Harley bug from a sports bike, so learning about what I want to purchase is critical. Cheers mate, from 🇦🇺👍🍻 And thankyou for letting us into your shop! It was like I was right next to ya during a day of your work life. 😊 👌
My mate just got his M8 back after the new oil pump upgrade it's stage 3 it is sumping again after 2 days riding .. looking like harley is going to give him a 2019 engine under warranty to fix the problem
Appreciate the knowledge. They are on the 5th generation of oil pump for stake 4. Sumping is huge problem here in Cali. 3 friends have had there motors rebuilt already. Not the twin cooled motor. My dealer has 6 bikes in there shop right now that are blown.
Thank you John, I appreciate the layman terms explanation. As with most things online or through social media no issues or small issues become major issues or catastrophic issues overnight through deliberate efforts to blow the issue out of proportion. Thank you again and I wish you the best as you sell your sportster.
Love your videos John, just picked up my 2018 Fatbob 114 last Friday and absolutely love it. As you say any issues that's why warranty was invented lol. Much love from Scotland and keep the videos coming 😁
Hey john,have a twin cooled 2017 ultra limited m8 with stage 1 and 2.I too had sumping problem at around 12,500 miles(loss of power).took to dealership to fix,they found scoring in jugs and replaced jugs and pistons and oil pump.its not just a problem with stage 4 motors.bike runs great since fixed.love the bike!Harleys forever!!!!!!
This was a relief to hear. I just traded my ‘07 Street Glide in against a new (previous model year) ‘19 Road Glide Ultra. Absolutely loving is thus far, but admittedly had some concerns after hearing of the M8 sumping issue. A relief to hear from the horse’s mouth, so to speak, that while there have been instances where it has occurred, it isn’t the fatal flaw that many make it out to be. And for better or worse I got the 5-year extended warranty plan, so have 6+ years of coverage against any such issues. You have a new subscriber.
Thanks for that. My dealership replaced a seal in the primary for the oil transfer problem and I’ve had no issues sense. I’m getting ready for my 30k service in 3 weeks and that’s the only issue and it was discovered at my request. They removed the derby cover and fluid came out and transmission was low. Love the bike and your videos 😎
Thanks for the video brother. Been in a road glide group on Facebook after buying my 18 rgs and I’ve been nothing but nervous thinking this is going to happen to my bike. Much appreciated
The shaft that spins the clutch is hollow. Trans fluid is running through that. Cause by a few different things. One, bel ray gets a lot of bubbles when it’s used and rises, which can cause a vacuum and pull extra fluid from transmission to primary threw that shaft. Two, there no way of wicking extra oil away from that rod, like there used to be with the throw out bearing with little fins, so applying the clutch separates that seal enough oil can pass through. I’ve seen this 4 times. All 4 times after we instructed the customer to not run bel ray, no problems after 5000miles. But I do have a guy saying he’s coming back with low trans fluid level so I could find something else.
Sorry John I have a 2019 street glide. Just did my 1k service and discovered that my transmission was almost dry maybe 8 to 10 oz of fluid in it. Removed the derby cover and oil was pouring out. To say the least it is very upsetting.
Please get the new vent hose that Harley will install as a warranty item. My 2019 RK Special had it done at 650 miles and now I'm on 6700 miles with no transfer. These are now installed on all touring models after a May 2019 build date. It's a small vent hose that's installed on the back side of the primary...ride on
Thanks John, great video. I just updated from an '11 Limited to an '18 Limited with the M8. Wow, smoother power band and a lot less shaking while waiting at the stop light. I just don't think I'll get the same level of wear on tires - the M8 just has a big increase in roll on torque (I didn't need tires on my 2011 until 19000 miles - front and rear). Another plus - 42 MPG during break-in. Never had that before and this is Harley #5 (all big twins). I'm recommending your TH-cam to other owners!
Stage 4 anything always has problems we had a stage 4 sporty that we couldnt sell cuz it was always breaking down. Stage 1 or stage 2 is as far as i would ever go on my tc96
I own a 2018 fatboy 114 version....i have had absolutely no issues with it in any way shape or form. No issues at all. Even had the stage 1 put on it. Solid Bike! Love your videos. You going to Sturgis this year?
Still driving my '17 Ultra Limited 3 years down the road and 50K miles later. Runs like a charm and never had a single issue with it. Took it in this spring and bumped it up to the 128CI with a Woods cam and she outruns most I've come across. We'll see how she's doing another 3 years down the road.
Today this long-time Honda owner test-drove an '04 H-D Dyna Wide glide, with it's Twin-Cam engine. I've never had more FUN on a bike!! The Twin-Cam 88 snorted, roared vibrated and provided character-infused FUN as I glided down the road.
I have a 2002 HD dyna low rider TC 88a put geardrive cam 510g, true track, CVP needle, and a Baker tensioner in primary. Corrected all the imperfections from this model now i have a Bulletproof Harley and it's só damn fun!
Yeah that. Dealers are between a rock and a hard place: they have to kiss the consumers ass (which they see 2 or 3 times ) and then they have to kiss hd`s ass at least once a month. The dealers have to keep hd happy or they don`t get any bikes. hd are a/holes. I have bought 6 new hd`s ,in my time, and now have a used `90 Springer. Just don`t like the way they cheapen up on bearings. I.E.: cam,crank,primary bearings. WTF??
I've had it in for service at least 4 * but they won't acknowledge that the service is for heat concerns in addition to adding a different seat or putting on side bags or the noise that continues coming from the rear brake area. Which hasn't been corrected yet either.
@@REDMAN298 press fit cranks, time bomb timing chains. Junk designed to last just long enough. Not as bad as VW got for planned obsolescence, but it's BS
@@VeritasEtAequitas :let`s not even start on the automatic primary chain adjuster. Had one hold the chain so tight that the clutch basket teeth cut into the inner primary. Got out of that bike fast. Shoved it back into the dealer`s hands by trading it.
Dude I recently took a 2019 Heritage 114 out for a test ride and when I got back to the dealership I was smelling burnt and my heels were freaking hot. It got me think but know I'm seeing all these comments and it all making sense.
@@juanrramirez6222 Were you riding with your heels on the pipes? I have a 2020 114 Herritage and put 7k miles on it this year and never had any heat issues. The smell was there during the break in period, as it was on my last new bike because the actual engine break in and different oil. The hot heels I have no idea.
Best Harley ever, no primary , water cooled no vibration . It was a red head step child. Smooth, powerful but it had one problem. It did not sound like a Harley. Developed by Porsche, it was no crotch rocket but it was a definite Improvement on the basic design.....
@@jackcook4772 I had a v-rod and I loved it (I have a gen 2 vmax now, so you really don't need to talk to me about performance). "Improvement" however is a subjective take on it. It very much feels "clinical" when compared to a more traditional Harley and it's no faster than modern M8's that are designed to perform. The only real advantage it had in the performance world was that it was water cooled and didn't use pushrods, but in reality who's riding these bikes to beat 600 super sports off the line? A Harley is fast enough to hot rod around and get you down the road, but a more traditional Harley is a thousand times cooler even if it takes it a little bit longer to do it. It's not all about performance, and people ALWAYS go right there when talking about how Harley's "suck". Well, mister, maybe they aren't for you? I'm sure people sell stuff that is. People need to learn where their opinion ends and objectivity begins.
John, thanks for this great video. Very important info you addressed. I'm glad you brought up the engine oil issue, cause it's real. I like how you gave the example of the Stage 4 upgrade. I'm no expert, but I have a friend who has a 17 CVO Streat Glide , and he has grenade his engine now twice. The first time he did it was after he had installed the stage 3, then this past weekend. He was going to replace the oil pump and cam plate with a FEULING during Octoberfest, but unfortunately it didn't quite last. I have a 17 Road Glide Special and have had zero issues with my bike. I do plan on installing a complete Tman Pro Street Kit in mine this winter, and for sure will be installing the FEULING system in my bike. I think it's just a case with a factory oil pump system that was designed on the very conservative side, and with us guys beefing up the engines, just cant handle it. Normal performance issue to me? Anyway, great video, I love my bike, wont own anything else. Thanks!
Hey John, Enjoy your videos. I just traded my 16 Road Glide in for an 18 Road Glide M8. Love the bike, suspension and power are major improvements, but I noticed an oil leak coming from the air intake after longer trips. I just finished a 1100 mile trip down the coast and oil leak is to the point of being a safety hazard as far as spewing onto pipes, side bag and rear wheel. I checked oil level and it was low a quart. I have brought the bike to my dealer for the 1K mile service and they are trying to pass this blow by as normal and said they would check it out but may not be able to do anything. I have heard other riders having this same problem. Have you've seen this issue with any of your customers, and what is your dealership telling them? I have other friends with M8's that don't have this problem at all. I hope Harley addresses this issue with the new bikes...Please give me some advice on this problem...Thanks Tom
I reckon it was an oil pump update to correct sumping. My M8 107 (heritage softail) I just purchased 3 weeks ago That is only 400miles in is burning about 1/2 a qt of oil per hundred miles. Checked after the first fuel fill up and dipstick was completely dry. Topped off, (1qt) Took it in last week for said issue and of course nothing was done. Since it was “all ok.” I asked if simple checks as in compression check or leakdown tests were done and nothing. Burned through another 1/2 qt after a 100mile ride yesterday. Pulled both of the left side spark plugs out and whatya know? Completely oiled fouled. I will be once again give them a call and drop it off Tuesday when they open. Not happy about this. Second weekend in a row I have to cancel trips due to this and have only had the bike 3 weeks!! I’ll try and keep you guys updated and see what happens.
Great video, my dad told me about this after I got my 17 limited, I have the extended warranty and 3 year service contract so I wasnt worried either way I'm not paying to get it fixed so I am good. But I love this engine so much!!
Sold MY Sportster (Iron 883) and got my 2019 Milwaukee 8 114 Road Glide Special in billiard blue. No regrets. #AmericanHarley in North Tonawanda, NY treats the customer right!
Just spend a few hours at HD dealer today, told them i was going to check out Indian tomorrow. I like the HD stuff, I guess it's the old school in me but I never once had a problem with my Honda 1800vtx
I think you should Contact the head directive of HD. Cause you are giving HD a lot of viewers, you does make super good and informative videos and it does deserve a a credit from the manufacture ;) Keep up the good work!
I have a 2002 Softail Duece withTC88 that I bought new in 2001 that has the stage one set-up and I beat the crap out of it every time I take it out of my Garage and I can say that its NEVER broken down Never gone back to the dealer to take care of anything under the extended warranty that I bought for it at the dealer ... what a waist that was. lol. The old TC88,96,103&107 I'd take one any day over the M8.. well till they get the Bugs out of it anyways. Good Job on the video as always John.
I was in Laconia for bike week 2019. Had an issue with my '17 Limited. Had no idea John would be the one looking at my bike. Great guy, took care of me really quickly and was awesome to talk with. I just wanted to thank you, John, for being there and taking care of my situation. Many thanks brother! Wish you great success in all you do! Greg
Thanks Greg!
Appreciate your time & energy in putting out the vids, John. After a '93 1100 Shadow, '12 Triumph Thunderbird 1600, I picked up my first HD - an '18 M8 107 FLTRU on 4/30/18. I put the 4" Rineharts on last month, and In 2 weeks she's going in for 5k service / HD S2 Tq cam, / high flow air cleaner & tuner. I've been watching the fluids since seeing your (and others' ) vids. No issues thus far. Thanks again & keep them coming!
Just stumbled across your channel and as a old scooter tramp(50yrs) I think this is one of the best i;ve seen on yt, Great training visuals and explanations on the bikes. Just like sitting down with my bro, drinking a beer and bsing. I'm starting a marathon watching today. Thx.
John, I’ve been a Motorcycle owner for over fifty years. Been tinkering with anything mechanical from trains, planes and automobiles for just a little longer. I do not watch many videos from people giving mechanical advice, as I have found many to be misinformed! I do really appreciate you taking the time to produce these straight forward, knowledgeable, and very informative videos! I’ve enjoyed your channel. Thank you!
Im a technician at valley forge harley davison and i think u make awesome videos John! Keep up the good work !
Hey John, great video. I tend to watch Matt's dealer show videos every year and he mentioned you. No idea who you were.... I laughed out loud multiple times watching your videos. Plus I learned what "sumping" is. I know my tech would always roll his eyes if I started a conversation with "I saw this on the internet". I trust my tech with my life since yes I am on two wheels so he would always take the time to explain what was really going on and take good care of me. Anyway you seem like a very trustworthy person which is high praise. Good job, you have a new subscriber!
Thanks you for posting this video. I have a 2017 Road Glide Special with a Stage 3 Upgrade, I have put over 6K miles, no issues whatsoever. I drive the bike every single day year round. Harley did an awesome job with the M8 I’m very happy.
John, great video. This is the second one in a row I’ve watched of years I really like them.
I'm actually excited about the M 8, I'm looking forward to having one, just got my RoadKing fully serviced , now ,back to Texas from Charlotte NC, a good ride
Only because I love this channel did I just set through a 5 minute ad right in the middle of this video that I could’ve skipped. John you the man.
Also I’m test riding the 2018 street bob Friday!!!!!!!
it doesn't get them anymore money than skipping it. Only way they don't get the add revenue is if you have an add blocker on your browser.
Yea man, you can skip it, I’m not mad!
John Maxwell to late know. I already suffered through it. 😢
Great video. John I installed a fueling cam/cam plate/oil pump kit. Had no problems with 2018 electra glide, just playing it safe.
Hey - that's my bike!! I have #855 of the 115th Anniversary Heritage Softail. Absolutely LOVE IT!!!! Thanks for sharing your thoughts - always appreciated 😁
I have an 18 Road Glide Special w/ M8, Love it and have had zero issues, right at 8500 miles, in 10 months. Only Harley I've purchased new, Best Harley I've ever owned. Great Video, Keep On Keepin On.
Beetle Mann
YEAH ! It's STILL NEW ! GIVE it SOME TIME Beetle Juice
You should have absolutely no problem with any bike 10000 miles get a life
Not to be pessimistic but there is still a lot of time for shit to go wrong.
jim wortham well other people have posted problems before their first 1,000 miles. If there is a defect that is going to cause fluid transfer he would have seen it by now
Good Buisness. great video. I'm a 28 year tech and enjoy well put together informative videos. thanks bud.
Just lived the oil transfer issue on my FLHTK 2019. In just about 500 miles, it had transferred about a quart of Formula 80W oil. Nothing broken, no catastrophic failures. When I became aware of the issue, I was on a road trip. Stopped at O’Tools Wurtsboro NY where a very friendly tech advisor understood exactly what was happening. Offered to repair in next few hours as they had the fix kit in stock but I was limited in time. Quick solution was to empty excess in an aluminium cooking pan from the derby cover and refill trans at hotel. Upon return home, went to my dealer who knew of the issue at hand.They had the bulletin notice and the repair kit to resolve. A couple hour later bike was fixed. 750 miles later, all is good and the oil level hasn’t dropped one drop. Conclusion, their is a fix and it works well. Just a note to say both dealers assured me it’s not a recall as not every bike will have this issue. You can have 100 bikes built in a row and only a few could have this issue, hence why it’s not a recall but a service bulletin I was told. Hey, sh*t happens.
OTOOLES ARE GOOD PEOPLE !!!!!!
@@jmc2567 Hey, it’s part of the Harley experience ! How else would they get you to visit the showroom ? In this perfect world where no other brands of motorcycles have recalls or service issues, it leaves Harley to stand out from the rest. The joy and pleasure a Harley provides is far outweighed with the technical issues that occur with Harley . Own one and find out. Big hello from Canada.
I just discovered your Channel by accident today and I love it! I'm really not a Harley guy at all, but I find your videos really interesting. Some times your content applies to the type of bikes I like to wrench on. Cheers!
Dude I love your freaking facial expressions... classic. I've had my M8 for a little over a month now and loving every minute. Also a side note I actually had never heard of any of these problems and I saw the video title and got slightly nervous then watched the video and my conclusion is the interwebs will be the interwebs thanks for the info bud much appreciated.
Thanks John! I appreciate the knowledge. Especially since my first Harley is an M8. Keep’em coming!
Thanks for the video.
I was one of the lucky ones to have an oil pump failure. The first question they asked if I have a stage four done. No it's stock except for slip ons. 2017 ultra limited. The problem occurred at 12k miles. I pulled in on Sunday afternoon and had my bike back Monday night
Love your videos and the way you edit, please don’t ever stop. I have two M8’s both 2017, I commute 30k Miles a year. My first M8 had the oil pump go bad, I was a few blocks from the dealership and rode there. They replaced everything so far no issues again, it was a twin cooled with a stage 3 114”, that was in oct 2016 when they first came out. Worries me they found some metal shavings in the pump, but I wouldn’t trade the bike for anything, I love the motor
I've been an HD tech for a long time , 35 plus years this is just the latest "public freak out " over just everyday minor things .Well done ,keep up the good work
I personally asked John most of these questions myself back in April when I was considering trading my old Triumph for a new FLHRXS. I got the same answers privately from him as hes giving you guys here. Everyones experiences are different, but my bike has been trouble free so far, and I personally couldn't be happier switching from the Speed Triple to the Harley. At the end of the day, thats what warranty is for :) Thanks for the video, John!
Glad you enjoyed Jason!
I'm and old time Harley guy but after many problems with bikes and Harley I traded my Street Glide for a Triumph Storm, I'll never go back to that junk.
Good luck with the warranty, tired of Harley bull , my new chieftain smoked a street glide, and a ultra
Thanks for doing this video! I just bought a Sport Glide last month and then right afterwards I heard all about the issues the m8 is supposedly having. It's a major relief to hear this. Keep up the good work!
Nice ride! I think it’ll do you well!
Another GREAT Video John! As I've said before, you are one of a few that I look forward to new Videos from! Last Saturday was Faribault H-D Customer Appreciation Day. I told several people about your Video’s and that they need to watch them! They seemed very interested!
Take care my Brother!
Willie
Thanks Willie!
Greetings from Brazil! Big fan here. Keep up the excelent work!
Was silently, patiently waiting for you to cover this at some point. Thank you John.
Got 1600 miles on my M8 and I love it. The hard candy chameleon flake had me hooked at first sight. Love your channel thanks for all the great info you provide!
Just shared this in a huge Road Glide forum where the Milwaukee 8 seems to get these hyped up “horror” stories about the sumping issue. I have 7,000 miles on mine so far, problem free. And a few of my friends have M8 bikes and love theirs as well. I am very impressed with the new engine and have no regrets at all from trading in a twin cam bike for it. Great video 🤘
Thanks for the info. Love my Milwaukee 8 in my '17 Road King!
I have a question. It gets hot in Albuquerque sometimes, and the M8 engine kicks off a cylinder to conserve heat when the engine gets too hot, generally when the motor gets hot i see oil start to leak out of the air cleaner which i'm not sure is normal, or if it was occurring regardless or if there's a problem i'm pretty sure its just that there was a tiny bit too much oil in the pan and it just sprayed through into the cleaner but i'm just curious, this has happened on my '18 Fat Bob, as well as my Dad's '17 Street Glide Special
Great Video John ! Myself owning a M8, this video is reassuring that the internet isn't always true with what they say lol.
Great video. Had the rocker seal leak happen on my 2018 heritage with around 5k miles. It was a October build so guess that would be considered an early build. Warranty covered....in and out.....no big deal. Keep the videos coming. Love them.
Just bought a 2019 Street Glide. Originally went to the dealer to test a 2016 SGS, nice but then asked to take out a M8 to compare. I was sold on the 2019 SG before the ride was halfway through.
Rains like that in South Louisiana. Matt Laidlaw did a video with one of his employees who had an issue with the oil pump. Went through the issue and what was done to fix it
nicely done. refreshing to hear from a guy that actually wrenches on the bikes. I remember all the negative hype about the 96" motor mine has performed flawlessly since 2007.
John - This is the first time I've seen one of your videos, and hit the 'Subscribe' button about 45 seconds in, LOL. Your demeanor as a presenter, and the "I'm a highly trained UNprofessional" remark, was sufficient reason to subscribe, LOL! Keep up the great work! Shiny side up, brother!
John, one of your best videos to date brother. Use of visual aides added a lot. Thanks and keep it coming. I have a 2013 CVO Roadglide and a 2018 Slim with a stage 4 kit. Quite a bite a difference in the feel between the two motors. Still love my twin cam. The 8 is so smooth. Good info in this video... now I know a few things to look for on my Slim. What bike are you going to get with the M8 ?
Gary C has
Another great video man, I know what you're saying about the internet and taking things out of proportion and sometimes creating problems that are non-existent. Several years ago Stihl moved fuel injection in their concrete saws but they knew that it would likely get a negative feedback and the people would create a problem where there was none and say that it was no go so instead of hyping up that they were going to fuel injection on these concrete saws they did it very very quietly and didn't say anything didn't advertise it much and before they knew it people were in love with the fuel injector over the old carbureted and they didn't even know it.
Hey, John. Great video as usual...thanks! I heard the same thing from my dealer here is Spokane, WA (Lone Wolf Harley-Davidson) on these issues, but it was great to hear confirmation from you. I'm not sure why so few incidents catch like wild fire online.
Thank you for this video. I avoided it at first, bought a M8 two days ago. This info is a great comfort.
John. You’re the man. Thank you for putting this video out. I’m going to refer people to it. I get the oil pump question a lot and the oil transfer question a lot. People don’t realize that even if there is a little oil transfer from the transmission to the primary that it’s such a small amount that it won’t do anything. Especially if you’re servicing your bike according to the intervals specified by H-D. The bikes that do have a problem represent less than 1% of the M8s on the road. I look forward to seeing you at the dealer show this year. I LOVE MY Milwaukee 8. Sell that sporty and get one!
Hey John and Matt, great video John! Two questions for both of you. 1) will you be covering the show live like last year? Apparently it will be interesting :-) and 2) I have done 16'000 miles with my 2017 M8 RKS in a year and am wondering if it is worth doing a stage 2 cam upgrade (for torque as I like torque) at 20'000 and if I should also upgrade the clutch basket at the same time?
Thanks Matt! I’m getting super excited about the dealer show, for sure!
I’m will not be doing a live feed, and the torque cam question should be coming up in a video soon. It’s a lot of info to type! It’s not as simple as yay or nay!
John Maxwell cool looking forward to it!!
I watched Matt’s live stream for the reveal of the M8 softails. It was an awesome show!
My fluid was low. So I bought a 6 pack of Stella and I’m happy to report all is good!!
Another great video. Always look forward to and appreciate them. You need your own TV show dude!
I like the editing part too much for that!
That was one of the first things that I learned back when I was tooling around on my 73 Shovelhead Stroker, was to keep oil to the bottom of the clutch basket gear, I had a closed primary case.
Great video and I watch all your videos plus I'm buying a M8 but I'm waiting for the new blue coming out on the street glide special. Amazing video I tell all my Harley friends about your videos.
Thanks for sharing this....seeing that you and Matt Laidlaw are cool with each other & the go to Harley Davidson guys, you my friend have gained a new subscriber. 👍🤟
I have a 17 road king with the m8 and I love it. If you get the chance to own one don't pass it up. They are awesome motors. Thanks for the knowledge John!
As someone who rebuilds small and big blocks and who has owned an EVO, sold it years back and am now researching HD's and Indians, let me tell you it is honest to goodness stuff like this that you put out that does more to educate the layman than anything else could. You certainly are not going to hear any of this from the salesman. Your honest and integrity is much appreciated.
Hey John,that was a cool vlog,man I’m learning so much about Harley’s it’s amazing,Anyway John thank you,looking forward to your next vlog 😃👍
Appreciate the knowledge my Sumatra brother.
I just made an appointment with the Harley dealership about 12 hours ago to have my rocker box gasket replaced under warranty. And I’m just watching your video now, kind of ironic. Thanks for the info!👍🍺 heritage classic 2020 114
John....dude....great video!!!! I think the best video yet! Visual aids and video editing, wow! Keep it up!
John, thank you for the knowledge 🙂
Well just FYI I had a 2018 road king special that had the transfer issue. I heard about the problem from the H-D forums so I decided to check mine. I had 480 miles on the bike at the time and barely had any fluid on the tip of the dipstick. Took it to the dealer and of course they told me what you said and to drive it for 1000 miles and recheck. So I was going to do my 1000 miles service so that was 520 since last checked the tranny fluid. So I decided to check all the fluids before servicing. The transmission dipstick was completely dry. Dealer came and picked up the bike and after they looked it over and measured the ounces they told me it actually transferred 11 or 15 ounces in that 520 miles. So pretty bad I think. Of course the MOCO was stalling and they didnt want to fix it. So the dealer set all my fluids where they were supposed to be and gave me the 1000 mile service for free. Told me to keep riding it and checking the fluids regularly and adjust when needed. So I’m thinking I can’t go on long rides like I want to because every 400-500 miles I would have to drain and refill the primary and transmission until the MOCO decides to fix it if ever. So I was mad enough and tired of it and knew not all bikes were affected. So I took a chance and traded that bike at another Harley dealership on a new road glide ultra. It now has 2500 miles and not a single ounce has been transferred with this bike. I think I lucked out. But I believe the MOCO has tolerance issues with several of these bikes maybe just between a certain time frame at the factory. The new seals I’ve heard of being replaced didn’t work for anyone. Harley hasn’t replaced any transmissions yet that I’ve heard of. Probably why you see so many 2017 and 2018 bikes with very low mileage have already been traded back in or for sale. Sorry for the long comment.
I’m glad you let me know! That’s crazy that it never even got fixed. Glad you ended up with something better!
John Maxwell thanks man! Hopefully my comment will help someone else. I say stay away from used low mileage 2017 and 2018 m8 bikes.
Well that sucks for the guy who buys it next. Hope that guy checks his shit and gets it fixed.
Thats extremely hard to do.....as the used bikes most people want are the ones where someone bought a Harley but didnt really ride it...thats the "sweet spot" with Harleys...guys who think they can buy a Harley and it will suddenly make them "cool" so you can get a barely used bike at a huge discount...and this is a HUGE market. IF the issue is affecting less than 1 percent, as John stated, then its also only affecting 1% of the used/traded in market also...well maybe more if there was a predominant amount traded in due to the issue. IF you have an honest dealer, there should be a maintenance history available for the bike if it was serviced by Harley and was turned down warranty coverage (if you are getting it from a dealer). But even so, if you get one that has this seepage issue, its still hardly a catastrophic type issue, provided you check your fluids every 1000 miles or so?? You are saying you wouldnt take a long trip because of it?? I dont understand why? If I was on a 1000 mile trip, I absolutely would be checking my fluids every 2-3 gas stops, and if any were significantly low I would be adding more fluid? Granted, if its the primary that is low, I cant really check that, but if I know the issue is primary fluid seaping into transmission (the issue is opposite of this) I would then see additional fluid in the transmission and would know that there could be an issue. None of these problems would even remotely change the way I ride as none are going to "blowup" my motor as long as I do routine maintenance and keep an eye on things as I always do anyhow.....the issue is being somewhat overblown because of the internet. You can make 10,000 perfect motors but if 1 of them has issues, thats the one that you will see mentioned in every motorcycle forum on the planet....int he big picture this is nowhere near as bad as people are stating. Please dont take this post as a "dig" brother...its not meant that way...and congrats on your new bike.
RedRider0151 guess you missed the part where I said every 400-500 miles I would have to do the fluid changes in the transmission and primary. Because the transmission transferred 11-15 ounces in 520 miles. For one that will get expensive. Also who wants to be bothered with trying to do a roadside fluid change while out. Also I do my own services so I wouldn’t stop into another Harley dealer a pay them what they want for service work that’s big money. If you would be happy having this problem and making payment on in my case a brand new $24,000.00 bike than by all means you go for it. I’ve had other new Harley’s that didn’t have any problems and that’s the way I like it. But if you want to spend all that money on a bike and have to go through all that hassle then you do it it’s your life and your money do it how you see fit.
Thanks man for your honest advice. Love your channel. You are so good at TH-cam so you must be one hell of a mechanic!
2017 SGS - Mine has a Stage IV, oil cooled. My dealer put in the updated oil pump as a part of the Stage IV at no additional cost. Just had my 15k service done... 5k miles on the Stage IV, no issues. Love the bike.
You and Matt Laidlaw are my go to Harley guys!
Agreed. You might check out Kevin, at MCRIDER. He puts out great MC 101 that can be a very good technique reminder for experienced riders. I have been riding for a solid 42 years...we all can develop bad habits.. Cheers! Rubber on the bottom
pete maffei I will definitely check him out, thanks!
Same
Yea those are good guys for sure...
Cheers John, love your vids. Hoping to see a video when you've purchased the new M8.
Dude, check my channel. I bought a heritage about 6 months ago. Lots of content with tons more coming! I love it
I am a visual learner and that was an excellent explanation of a transmission. Thank you for your time and efforts.
Awesome. 😊 👌 First vid I've seen and subscribed. Great content, classic presentation (loved the actual look into the mechanical side, I'm a visual learner) and humour. Got yourself a subscriber, keep up this type of content. I've just caught the Harley bug from a sports bike, so learning about what I want to purchase is critical. Cheers mate, from 🇦🇺👍🍻
And thankyou for letting us into your shop! It was like I was right next to ya during a day of your work life. 😊 👌
My mate just got his M8 back after the new oil pump upgrade it's stage 3 it is sumping again after 2 days riding .. looking like harley is going to give him a 2019 engine under warranty to fix the problem
So happy with my m8. 10k so far and I’m super happy with the lower heat, the extra power and the suspension is pretty badass
Appreciate the knowledge. They are on the 5th generation of oil pump for stake 4. Sumping is huge problem here in Cali. 3 friends have had there motors rebuilt already. Not the twin cooled motor. My dealer has 6 bikes in there shop right now that are blown.
Thank you John, I appreciate the layman terms explanation. As with most things online or through social media no issues or small issues become major issues or catastrophic issues overnight through deliberate efforts to blow the issue out of proportion. Thank you again and I wish you the best as you sell your sportster.
Stoked to hear your selling the sportster and shooting for an M8. The question remains what model???
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Breakout
EXCELLENT! You are damn entertaining! Great info you provide too!
Love your videos John, just picked up my 2018 Fatbob 114 last Friday and absolutely love it. As you say any issues that's why warranty was invented lol. Much love from Scotland and keep the videos coming 😁
Greetings from Adelaide Australia. Thank you John. Entertaining and informative. Just took possession 2017 M8 Ultra with 12K. Couldn't be happier
M8s seem awesome. My next bike will be a new road king with the M8.
Great video John your the main man 😃👍
Thanks Paul!
Hey john,have a twin cooled 2017 ultra limited m8 with stage 1 and 2.I too had sumping problem at around 12,500 miles(loss of power).took to dealership to fix,they found scoring in jugs and replaced jugs and pistons and oil pump.its not just a problem with stage 4 motors.bike runs great since fixed.love the bike!Harleys forever!!!!!!
This was a relief to hear. I just traded my ‘07 Street Glide in against a new (previous model year) ‘19 Road Glide Ultra. Absolutely loving is thus far, but admittedly had some concerns after hearing of the M8 sumping issue. A relief to hear from the horse’s mouth, so to speak, that while there have been instances where it has occurred, it isn’t the fatal flaw that many make it out to be. And for better or worse I got the 5-year extended warranty plan, so have 6+ years of coverage against any such issues. You have a new subscriber.
Harley doesn't have recalls, but they will sell you an update kit! I'll keep my old iron.
im still on my 95 evo no issues, just get on and ride, ride, and ride
@@TheTrtrapper 96 evo springer! Been all over the west!
Not true I had a recall a few months ago. Brake related and they had to order a kit. Done by the shop No Charge.
06 88 twin cam here
95 FXD 25year old bike that i can work on and trust to be going for as long as i can get parts
Great info! 4000+ on my FB M8 with no issues! Love my bike! Ride hard or stay home!😎.... thanks transmission guy😂😂🤣
Hello 4000 miles is absolutely nothing holler when you get a hundred thousand like most other bikes
4000 mile LOL what a freaking joke
Thanks for that. My dealership replaced a seal in the primary for the oil transfer problem and I’ve had no issues sense. I’m getting ready for my 30k service in 3 weeks and that’s the only issue and it was discovered at my request. They removed the derby cover and fluid came out and transmission was low. Love the bike and your videos 😎
Thanks for the video brother. Been in a road glide group on Facebook after buying my 18 rgs and I’ve been nothing but nervous thinking this is going to happen to my bike. Much appreciated
Did this oil migration happen to you?
well I still want to know how the tran. fluid is transferring ,where is this happening
the seal that runs into the primary is failing.
The shaft that spins the clutch is hollow. Trans fluid is running through that. Cause by a few different things. One, bel ray gets a lot of bubbles when it’s used and rises, which can cause a vacuum and pull extra fluid from transmission to primary threw that shaft. Two, there no way of wicking extra oil away from that rod, like there used to be with the throw out bearing with little fins, so applying the clutch separates that seal enough oil can pass through. I’ve seen this 4 times. All 4 times after we instructed the customer to not run bel ray, no problems after 5000miles. But I do have a guy saying he’s coming back with low trans fluid level so I could find something else.
Sorry John I have a 2019 street glide. Just did my 1k service and discovered that my transmission was almost dry maybe 8 to 10 oz of fluid in it. Removed the derby cover and oil was pouring out. To say the least it is very upsetting.
Please get the new vent hose that Harley will install as a warranty item. My 2019 RK Special had it done at 650 miles and now I'm on 6700 miles with no transfer. These are now installed on all touring models after a May 2019 build date. It's a small vent hose that's installed on the back side of the primary...ride on
Thanks John, great video. I just updated from an '11 Limited to an '18 Limited with the M8. Wow, smoother power band and a lot less shaking while waiting at the stop light. I just don't think I'll get the same level of wear on tires - the M8 just has a big increase in roll on torque (I didn't need tires on my 2011 until 19000 miles - front and rear). Another plus - 42 MPG during break-in. Never had that before and this is Harley #5 (all big twins). I'm recommending your TH-cam to other owners!
Great video John Maxwell. I like these type videos. Keep’em coming!
Stage 4 anything always has problems we had a stage 4 sporty that we couldnt sell cuz it was always breaking down. Stage 1 or stage 2 is as far as i would ever go on my tc96
"Stage", lol. That video game Midnight Club Street Racing terminology needs to die a decade ago
I own a 2018 fatboy 114 version....i have had absolutely no issues with it in any way shape or form. No issues at all. Even had the stage 1 put on it. Solid Bike! Love your videos. You going to Sturgis this year?
JFYI......114 is called an S model.
Still driving my '17 Ultra Limited 3 years down the road and 50K miles later. Runs like a charm and never had a single issue with it. Took it in this spring and bumped it up to the 128CI with a Woods cam and she outruns most I've come across. We'll see how she's doing another 3 years down the road.
Today this long-time Honda owner test-drove an '04 H-D Dyna Wide glide, with it's Twin-Cam engine. I've never had more FUN on a bike!! The Twin-Cam 88 snorted, roared vibrated and provided character-infused FUN as I glided down the road.
I have a 2002 HD dyna low rider TC 88a put geardrive cam 510g, true track, CVP needle, and a Baker tensioner in primary. Corrected all the imperfections from this model now i have a Bulletproof Harley and it's só damn fun!
Thanks for letting me know to stick with the 103 motor bikes.
And the 96. The 96 and 103 are great engines.
Covered under warranty, never heard that in a Harley service department, only in sales.
Yeah that. Dealers are between a rock and a hard place: they have to kiss the consumers ass (which they see 2 or 3 times ) and then they have to kiss hd`s ass at least once a month. The dealers have to keep hd happy or they don`t get any bikes. hd are a/holes. I have bought 6 new hd`s ,in my time, and now have a used `90 Springer. Just don`t like the way they cheapen up on bearings. I.E.: cam,crank,primary bearings. WTF??
I've had it in for service at least 4 * but they won't acknowledge that the service is for heat concerns in addition to adding a different seat or putting on side bags or the noise that continues coming from the rear brake area. Which hasn't been corrected yet either.
@@REDMAN298 press fit cranks, time bomb timing chains. Junk designed to last just long enough. Not as bad as VW got for planned obsolescence, but it's BS
@@VeritasEtAequitas :let`s not even start on the automatic primary chain adjuster. Had one hold the chain so tight that the clutch basket teeth cut into the inner primary. Got out of that bike fast. Shoved it back into the dealer`s hands by trading it.
@@VeritasEtAequitas Huh? VW? The company that sticks with a design just about forever? That's the opposite of planned obsolescence.
Great video! Please do more like this. I love learning more about the internals of my motorcycle!
Thanks for the info. The oil sumping rings true, I heard it was mostly stage 4 on the M8s.
The temps on both sides of the 2019 Softail Deluxe engine guards exceed 750 degrees F. How is a person to ride it without getting burned?
750 degrees where?
Dude I recently took a 2019 Heritage 114 out for a test ride and when I got back to the dealership I was smelling burnt and my heels were freaking hot. It got me think but know I'm seeing all these comments and it all making sense.
You got burned when you bought it !
@@juanrramirez6222 Were you riding with your heels on the pipes? I have a 2020 114 Herritage and put 7k miles on it this year and never had any heat issues. The smell was there during the break in period, as it was on my last new bike because the actual engine break in and different oil. The hot heels I have no idea.
Wish they would have just built on the V-rod engine and redesigned the chassis....
Best Harley ever, no primary , water cooled no vibration . It was a red head step child. Smooth, powerful but it had one problem. It did not sound like a Harley. Developed by Porsche, it was no crotch rocket but it was a definite Improvement on the basic design.....
@@jackcook4772 I had a v-rod and I loved it (I have a gen 2 vmax now, so you really don't need to talk to me about performance). "Improvement" however is a subjective take on it. It very much feels "clinical" when compared to a more traditional Harley and it's no faster than modern M8's that are designed to perform. The only real advantage it had in the performance world was that it was water cooled and didn't use pushrods, but in reality who's riding these bikes to beat 600 super sports off the line? A Harley is fast enough to hot rod around and get you down the road, but a more traditional Harley is a thousand times cooler even if it takes it a little bit longer to do it.
It's not all about performance, and people ALWAYS go right there when talking about how Harley's "suck". Well, mister, maybe they aren't for you? I'm sure people sell stuff that is. People need to learn where their opinion ends and objectivity begins.
Thank you John, for all your videos! I have learned a lot from them.
John, thanks for this great video. Very important info you addressed. I'm glad you brought up the engine oil issue, cause it's real. I like how you gave the example of the Stage 4 upgrade. I'm no expert, but I have a friend who has a 17 CVO Streat Glide , and he has grenade his engine now twice. The first time he did it was after he had installed the stage 3, then this past weekend. He was going to replace the oil pump and cam plate with a FEULING during Octoberfest, but unfortunately it didn't quite last. I have a 17 Road Glide Special and have had zero issues with my bike. I do plan on installing a complete Tman Pro Street Kit in mine this winter, and for sure will be installing the FEULING system in my bike. I think it's just a case with a factory oil pump system that was designed on the very conservative side, and with us guys beefing up the engines, just cant handle it. Normal performance issue to me? Anyway, great video, I love my bike, wont own anything else. Thanks!
Hey John, Enjoy your videos. I just traded my 16 Road Glide in for an 18 Road Glide M8. Love the bike, suspension and power are major improvements, but I noticed an oil leak coming from the air intake after longer trips. I just finished a 1100 mile trip down the coast and oil leak is to the point of being a safety hazard as far as spewing onto pipes, side bag and rear wheel. I checked oil level and it was low a quart. I have brought the bike to my dealer for the 1K mile service and they are trying to pass this blow by as normal and said they would check it out but may not be able to do anything. I have heard other riders having this same problem. Have you've seen this issue with any of your customers, and what is your dealership telling them? I have other friends with M8's that don't have this problem at all. I hope Harley addresses this issue with the new bikes...Please give me some advice on this problem...Thanks Tom
Tom A probably sumping
Thanks Jim, Dealer did find one of the hoses disconnected from one of the breather outlets...will see if it subsides...
whats the fix for sumping?...lol
I reckon it was an oil pump update to correct sumping. My M8 107 (heritage softail) I just purchased 3 weeks ago That is only 400miles in is burning about 1/2 a qt of oil per hundred miles. Checked after the first fuel fill up and dipstick was completely dry. Topped off, (1qt) Took it in last week for said issue and of course nothing was done. Since it was “all ok.” I asked if simple checks as in compression check or leakdown tests were done and nothing. Burned through another 1/2 qt after a 100mile ride yesterday. Pulled both of the left side spark plugs out and whatya know? Completely oiled fouled. I will be once again give them a call and drop it off Tuesday when they open. Not happy about this. Second weekend in a row I have to cancel trips due to this and have only had the bike 3 weeks!! I’ll try and keep you guys updated and see what happens.
1985GusT any new updates? Curious why a new engine is burning so much oil.
That's why you never buy the first year of anything the bugs aren't worked out yet...
Exactly. Never fly the 'A' model of anything.
Neil Brown Buy Japanese. Why don't people learn.
@@peteallen82 Some people like heritage and soul.
@@peteallen82 Japanese are no better and the rule still applies.
There’s never a shortage of insecure, self-absorbed assholes who just have to have the first and the newest of whatever comes out.
Great video, my dad told me about this after I got my 17 limited, I have the extended warranty and 3 year service contract so I wasnt worried either way I'm not paying to get it fixed so I am good. But I love this engine so much!!
Another great video john! I have a 2018 M8 114 and an 06 TC88 and I love em both!
Sold MY Sportster (Iron 883) and got my 2019 Milwaukee 8 114 Road Glide Special in billiard blue. No regrets.
#AmericanHarley in North Tonawanda, NY treats the customer right!
I think I'm switching to Indian 116.
@Joseph Marton i really liked the indian i rented but so many more service places for harley
Just spend a few hours at HD dealer today, told them i was going to check out Indian tomorrow. I like the HD stuff, I guess it's the old school in me but I never once had a problem with my Honda 1800vtx
@@gfunk63901 many more needs to service. If you dint need it very often you dint need a place every 20 miles
I think you should Contact the head directive of HD. Cause you are giving HD a lot of viewers, you does make super good and informative videos and it does deserve a a credit from the manufacture ;) Keep up the good work!
I have a 2002 Softail Duece withTC88 that I bought new in 2001 that has the stage one set-up and I beat the crap out of it every time I take it out of my Garage and I can say that its NEVER broken down Never gone back to the dealer to take care of anything under the extended warranty that I bought for it at the dealer ... what a waist that was. lol.
The old TC88,96,103&107 I'd take one any day over the M8.. well till they get the Bugs out of it anyways.
Good Job on the video as always John.