Is Discord Spying on You?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 7 มิ.ย. 2024
- With Discord's updated Privacy Policy, people on twitter and reddit are having a fit. People are saying "Discord is spying on us", "Discord is recording us", "Discord is using our messages to train AI". All of this stems from a single reddit post that might have misinterpreted what is going on. What is true? What is false? Well, I tried my best to clear it up :)
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00:00 - The privacy controversy
01:41 - Discord's Response (or lack thereof)
02:34 - Debunking
03:50 - Discord storing your messages
06:07 - Discord was never private
08:46 - Should you be concerned?
10:06 - Data Package
10:27 - AMERICANS, WATCH THIS
12:08 - Summary - บันเทิง
If discord used data to train AI, we'd have a very offensive AI
would have an hentai pfp, favorite song erika, and probably spam anything that's not politically correct all day long.
coding challenge idea
@@nebulae_wanderer Erika is a good song tbh so i wouldn't complain
me tallying all the slurs it will have said by the end of this year: ♾
They wil ban the AI thinking: wtf are our users saying bruh, AND WHERE DID IT GET THE RECIPE FOR 99.9% PURE METHAMPHETAMINE?!
@@nebulae_wanderer why hentai bro 😂😂
Me and the boys getting arrested by the FBI (Discord recorded our vc conversations and screen shares)
@@Infisrael🤐🤣🤣
Yup
Me n my friends would have a death sentence lmfao
@@MoneyAddictKenny for how many years? Me 69+
@@thatonedarsh do you know what a death sentance is-
They're not spying! They're just... always watching...
Every 60 seconds in africa a minute passes
no way it's hovac 🔥
Just like Roz from Monsters Inc.
@@srcleak ain’t no way it’s Cherri and hovac
every 24 hours, a day passes in South Ossetia
If a big tech company say "We don't collect your data", then they actually do.
You don't need to do anything illegal to care about your privacy.
The "If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear" thing is bullshit.
yeah but like it's not like they ARE spying on you, it's kinda your choice tbh
it's not like they don't give you that lofty privacy policy to read (that states that you're being watched)
I hate when a person I know or a person that is clearly trying to find something is trying to find everything about you but like, it's discord man
@@tzarg fr. Its not like they are spying on you, you don't mean shit until you do some shitty thing
Obviously, Discord is spying on all of us, and we will have to cope with it.
just repeat the lime and ask for all of their records
and what would they use such data for????
To be fair here... Investing in a company doesn't automatically mean they have a direct say in all decisions a company makes. They may hold shares and therefore have a voice in making decisions, but there still can (and probs will) be some autonamy behind the company. The share holders can suggest features and changes, but afaik they can't enforce it to be done, especially when the change would break existing law, which for Discord - a company located in the US - would mean issues if they actually record messages, voice calls and screen shares without the users knowledge beforehand.
There is a reason support services through phone tell you beforehand that the session may get recorded for "training purposes" as not disclosing this beforehand would open them up for lawsuits because of violation of privacy (That's my knowledge as someone living in Europe, so the US may be different, tho Discord has in the past adjusted their ToS and Privacy Policy to follow data regulations in Europe, so this may also apply to them).
tl;dr: Investing money and/or holding shares != control over the company automatically.
Reddit supported Zoom and has now setup Discord channels. They need removal from the Internet.
@@DudeSoWin ...what? I don't get what your message is all about (Nor how it is related to mine)
Just opt out so if they eventually get a class action lawsuit against them you can get compensation for the damages Discord caused.
@@DudeSoWin what?
tencent has access to everything on discord and as a shareholder also has an influence on the development of discord itself. what are you talking about?
If you're scared about Tencent just know that if they want they already have your information. They own Riot games, 84% of Supercell, they've invested in roblox, discord, ubisoft, epic games, and pretty much all of Korean game studios.
Roblox and tencent got a divorce recently
Thats cool and all broseph but theyre contained to only those games(with the exception of the ones that have anticheat) and not a social media app, like discord is. Your point is iffy at best
@@YukariAkiyama still they already got the data and roblox probably won't ask tencent to remove their user data
I don't know why people are freaking out abut this
They're not like selling your actual private information that would be big serious and international lawsuit or something like that
They're just using your data information for advertisers.... yeah ads.. something that you may like it like you need new gaming mouse and ads will give you some choices or something it's not a big problem, it's just people overreacting over small things that pretty much happens everywhere on the website lol
That was quite a public information, perhaps many people don't notice that until some problems about privacy is screwed up.
boi I used VPN to travel to Africa in 60 seconds.
You missed a major detail and that is even if Tencent imposed a surveillance policy with discord, they would have to get an agreement from the rest of the shareholders, such as Silicon Valley, which would be unlikely due to how the rest of the investors operate.
Didn't Silicone Valley just bust?
@@asukauwu not that I know, I know it just got brought by HSBC but in the UK they're fine, its just US where they're struggling.
I personally wouldn't solely rely on that. Once again discord does have a clause in the privacy policy regarding legal obligations. While that whole system is a black box to me, I wouldn't risk it if you were a high profile enemy of the state.
@@NoTextToSpeech most definitely, but if surveillance policy does come to discord, it would more likely be restricted to those countries that participate in that high level of security protocols. For example, if discord is used in China and has users that are in China would be the ones that are affected by the surveillance policy.
@@nero-nii You can't even use Discord in China.
people saying "cool vid" when they didn't even watch it
Xactly
cool vid
Cool vid
Cool comment
They just are busy and cant watch the video now but want to let Ntts know that it was a cool vid because all his vids are cool
Twitter making post out of context is just a normal thing now
I'm surprised it took people this long to realize Twitter users were pretty much making this all up.
It's also quite funny that it took people this long to realize Discord is not at all a safe platform, regarding your privacy.
Yeah because this only happens on twitter twitter boogeyman
thank you for pointing out element!
i'd love to see you pointing out more private options to the masses!
Session, Matrix, Element, etc. and any P2P messenger with encryption.
Oh and make sure to only use open source ones.
@@xE92vD well not every p2p messenger because whatsapp say it's p2p, and it's owned by facebook so yeah, no
But Signal hell yeah
@@vilian9185 Whatsapp is not based on a p2p protocol.
thank you for pointing out element! i'd love to see you pointing out more private options to the masses!
If discord is recording my messages to train their AI, it's gonna be a really depressed AI
I'm hopeful that as a society we're starting to care enough about online privacy that things will start to swing in the other direction. The browser-based tracking can be significantly countermeasured without too much effort, but there are a lot of services that you just can't use without being tracked.
Where do you get that optimism from?
When it comes to computers (including smartphones), people are generally illiterate and expect convenience. You know, they don't need to know how a car works to drive one. When some people fall for a sponsored scam link on Google and their AV goes off, they will disable the AV because "it was annoying and didn't let me do things".
We'd need to make IT a mandatory class early on, so teens grow up with some fundamental knowledge and even then we're decades behind. Corporations are better at finding new exploits, than we are to fight back.
@@fonesrphunny7242 Well, my mother is far from tech literate and she's figured out that Facebook and Google are trying to spy on her and use her data to target ads. I'm not as optimistic when it comes to the general population's tech literacy, but I think "big companies track you and that's bad" is becoming well-known beyond just tech spaces.
i like this guy, he talks about discord news
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I like this guy, he talks about roblox news
Glad to see you mentioning Magnates Media and Moon. Informative video as always!
the clip making actually sounds cool to use. i stream a lot with my friends and being able to clip a cool moment would be such a fun way to look back at good times.
this!! i vc with my friends a lot and would love that feature
Why doesn't every company just say "You may not file a lawsuit against us. Thanks." In their terms of service
Idk. Probably because they can't sue you either
Genius
Because that's not how terms of service work lmao, heck you can accept terms of service and still sue them for something they've included in it.
@@Momofan69 It's a joke
A lot of them does that actually
But it’s not like the court care about what’s on the TOS anyway
This is why discord is saying you shouldn't send private data in any text-chat. Discord is allowed to look at your chat if they have a valid reason.
And that valid reason includes: "we feel like doing it"
@@triparadox.c lmao thats what i was thinking
They don't need a valid reason lol
@@readifdumb nobody at discord will look at your chats if they feel like. Why would they? Why would someone look at a random persons chat?
@@tommyIT surely they will, eventually
I think this is one of your best videos yet. Recommending anything that runs Matrix is a super good thing.
A reminder that Jason Citron, the CEO and Co-Founder of Discord Inc, founded OpenFeint back in 2009. If you don't remember what OpenFeint was, it was a basically a social network for mobile games before Discord. Citron sold the the product to GREE in 2011, and in the same year it had a class action lawsuit brought against it for breach of contract, fraud, and privacy violation. OpenFeint shut down in 2012. Citron had essentially sold out all of OpenFeint's users data when he closed the deal with GREE.
Now is this to say that Discord is in a similar situation? Probably not, in my opinion. At the same time, I personally don't trust it, and have used Matrix/Element for years now, only occasionally using Discord if it's necessary to get in contact with someone (which isn't the case for me 99% of the time).
Remember kids: if something on the internet is free it’s because you are the product not the customer.
free and not open source
Thanks for the reminder, Mr. /r/privacy.
And even if you pay for it, fuck you, we're taking your data anyway :)
“Is device/software with internet connection spying on you”
The answer is always yes.
Please do a video on Matrix. I've been looking at it over the last few days, but I came to my usual conclusion of "Yeah there's no point in even trying to switch when literally everyone I know already uses Discord", as I did with Gilded and Revolt. But I feel like you have such a good following and reputation when it comes to Discord that you might be able to get it going or at least give people like me a video to show my friends to persuade them to make the swap
Also, off-topic but I'm curious; do you have any plans for what your channel will become in a universe where this Discord content no longer gets the views? Don't know about everyone else, but in my head you're "the Discord guy". At this rate I'll be sticking around no matter what, but if people stop caring about Discord then I really hope you can keep going in some way
Matrix video is already made and scheduled to go up wednesday. Might not be the most captivating video for a general audience but it is a nice "dip your toes into the water" experience with these privacy focused clients.
Plans for after discord dies? Honestly not sure, my channel would probably be dead/irrelevant when that happens. If not then idk.
Ive been using Matrix for almost a year now, I have ended up ditching all other means of IM. Its just too good. I left Telegram, for example, due to having to need a phone number requirement back at a time where money was thin and couldnt afford to have one. Telegram forces you to keep up with your number because if a new user requests your number, you have 14 days to verify "this is still my number, not theirs" and if you cant, you basically get locked out of Telegram until you get a new one.
Matrix protocol allows for bridges, look that up, you'll understand.
Dude i love playing minecraft while listening to your voice and watches your video when I'm eating! your video is really funny and very fact with almost 0 misunderstanding information!!!! I really loves your video with these transition that gives me super satisifying feelings, keep it up man I will tell my kids to watch your video when they are born!! (They will not)
Thank you for making content so good I eat lunch while I watch you
Me who got this recommended while in an ex-terrorist rehab vc: what 👁️👄👁️
a What
A fuckin' WHAT?
hol up, *w h a t ?*
bro love ur vids so much i subbed :D
You are great TH-camr, continue making extremely interesting content
He really is. It surprises me how good ntts is.
ok
Bro I love learning about discord and other stuff from this guy great content
Name a more iconic duo than Twitter and misinformation.
8:26 Bro really be playing roblox for 12 hours 💀
Just a quick tip:
When you use a big platform or something on Internet, you will always have data stored and maybe used. No matter if it's discord, google, youtube, twitter, facebook, or even game clients.
You always agree to those things using your datas in X or Y way.
A.I. is taking a certain turn to be honest, I know some people are against those and some people are for those, but here it's just opinions, we'll never all agree to that, and there's not a "correct" answer to that question.
Discord always collected data, but, I might need confirmation as if it's still the case or not, but I'm pretty sure that whenever you delete a message, they have to delete it from their databases as well to respect basic privacy. Which is why reporting someone on Discord is a struggle sometimes.
Do not hesitate to correct me if I'm wrong on some of my points, but please do so with proof or something.
Wishing you all a fantastic day.
anything you do online collects your data. unless its e2e encrypted its essentially semi-public.
your phone and computer all call home hundreds of times a day.
i dont have a gaming console to test it, but im pretty sure xbox and ps have calls home too.
only way to not be listened to is to disconnect. true privacy is dead
@@collared Facts.
One of the scariest experience I ever had was Google maps giving me a "monthly summary". Everything was there. My home, the place where I was studying, the trips I used to take with their prices and all, the fact that it knew it was by train and which one instead of thinking it was by car or whatever.
Nothing is hidden anymore, that's a fact indeed.
@@Furb4ll_ if its gonna make u feel better they delete that data eventually. my trip to another city is missing. it was there few months ago. also u can go in settings im not sure if it can be on app or has to be the website but you can also disable the location tracking thing
@@collared I don't believe that clicking some options will magically stop Google from tracking you sadly.
But yeah, they might delete it eventually after some time.
@@Furb4ll_ legally they have to delete it after some time. and yeah you "can" disable it but it probably still collects shit just won't display it to you
The issue with worrying about companies using your data in the first place is literally every single company does it. The only way to avoid it is to
1.) Use a VPN (there's some comments and my reply about this already, scroll down), spend days of your life reading every privacy policy of every site, and block yourself from 99% of the internet or
2.) Don't use the internet.
Obviously making sure the website you use is safe is good, but worrying about their privacy just isn't worth it to me. The longer you think about it, the more you realize that everyone who uses the internet has had their privacy compromised, which to me, makes it less of an issue than people make it out to be. I never hear stories about people's lives being ruined or something through a company logging your messages.
To me it's just not worth worrying about anymore because it affects everyone anyways.
Yeah, no point in getting pissed or annoyed at something that is basically omnipresent on the internet
yeah like a year ago I used to hear stories sometimes about that sort of selling data stuff... like this is not a unique situation bruh, this is mainstream, and when something is mainstream, that makes it okay
@@SLKibara couldn't of said it better
You really are not getting away with a VPN as your data also gets through their tunnels used to encrypt your traffic. You really never can trust a VPN company, unless it's your own, of course.
@@tzarg What's ironic is that these people are complaining about this... ON REDDIT AND TWITTER
If you think Discord sells your data, Reddit and Twitter does so much worse with it.
by using any centralized online communication service, your data is *always* sent to the its remote servers where the organization can do *whatever* they want with it
at this point privacy policies are just pr boosters
Yeah I just ignore whatever they say in their policies cuz there’s no incentive for them to be truthful with it.
A lot of diffrent countries have diffrent laws of data collection, some allow the data to be completely private from government trying to obtain it, some allow the government to use data if they have solid speculation/evidence against that user to try to track down criminals, and I think some are completely government controlled (like China and/or North Korea for example)... The US is one of those countries that is allowed to see data while investigating a potential criminal/terrorist (at least that's what I highly remember from Cybersecurity class this year)... If a data breach happens, the company has to inform their users about the breach and I think some companies allow for your data to be reset/deleted to prevent identity theft or to the costumers preferences of what happens to the data when the company got breached... but unless if the data was on a piece of paper and fully burned to ashes, there isn't always a way to fully delete data (except completely destroying the storage unit, similar to the paper example, where there is nothing left to piece together, I heard a small bit of floppy disk that was destroyed was able to be recovered with all it's data), even if you delete a file, there is a little "carbon copy" that stays behind with a digital signature showing the original creator's device name and even device names of who accessed the files too, kinda like a digital "dumpster diving" of data left over
My whole point with bringing up cybersecurity stuff is to say that if your way to paranoid of your data being collected (or overprotective over your data), then I think it would be best to never touch technology again
If you read this long, I would just like to thank you for reading this long comment that I got kinda carried away with typing.
yeah i never heard of this cause i only use discord for its chatting purposes,
people in my dms do say that "omg discord is spying, discord is recording" and some of my friends quit discord,
but they're a genuine normal person, they havent done anything like *me* (totally)
but yeah, very helpful information that i will completely forget in 1 hour! thanks. (probably half of your viewers are from different countries other than usa like me, (i'm bangladesh).
We need that Matrix vid. Whats cool is that some matrix protocol services like Element are actually interoperable with Discord. Your messages won't be encrypted, but at least Discord wouldn't be the main avenue of communications
This is exactly the reason why the gaming community I'm part of didn't move to Discord. The owner once said, whatever data isn't hosted on your server/machines can never be stolen because it already wasn't yours in the first place.
If you worry about your data, host your own shit. Plus being able to ban IPs/MACs is a wonder, also on those services scam bots or tolls are basically a non-issue.
love your videos keep it up man
Small little kiss and clearing up big ass misunderstandings. >w< What a wholesome and amazing NTTS.
They're adding mobile voice memo's. Obviously it will have to record things to record and send it. Also, if they wanted to take your information any more they would find a way to do it without being so obvious
Discord isn’t spying on you, its just looking into your messages and video calls.
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It's for the safety of children. You can't blame them. I just hope the algorithm won't detect my anime girls as children. CSAM detection is the new trending excuse for abusing our privacy rights now.
Im guessing you also think windows doesn't spy on you? Because news flash it does.
@@Triro another news flash, that comment was a joke
@@Triro no shit sherlock
Im gonna get put in jail if they record our voice chats💀
I agree with most parts of the video, but the "They wont care about you, if you have nothing to hide." is generally a bad argument against normalizing invasions of privacy. Its not what privacy is about, if you are at the mercy of whoever is governing you.
I still use discord myself a lot, but being aware that nothing you write on discord in really private and also not just being ok with practices like this is important in my opinoin. Anyways, love your videos ❤
When I first saw the Discord post I also thought they're gonna use all our messages to train AI, but then I researched it a bit more and saw this wasn't the case.
There is a clear difference between storing certain information and actively browsing and accessing it. Discord probably had in mind that they can no longer simply not store information while providing a service that actively does, but at the same time they simply removed the text indicated what they do with the information in context without granting any coherent explanation as to why and now the userbase is going monkebrain over it. But it would be messed up if Discord actually starts to access information regarding audio/video calls and livestreams.
I love your content fr fr
when going through your tabs in chrome you can do shift+tab and ctrl+shift+tab to do so. its a lil easier when you have a lot of tabs
Tbh I figured this out by the bots always requesting agreements to see messeges and because I made alot of, I'm 7 years old jokes and got locked and I'm now required to post a picture of me and my official Identification I was like, oh ok no.
But I love Ur vids, those laws n stuff those are really cool details that is boring but you are able to make it not boring.
Revolt is an interesting open source discord alternative, but since you said you are going to make a video on that topic you probably already knew that.
Oh yes please I hope they bring voice msgs to discord, its a feature I have been wanting for a long time.
So how did you customize your browser? And is it possible on microsoft edge? Would love it if it is
Early enough no one execpt NTTS has watched the full video
looks like half of the users are prisoners
thanks for your super nice content
We're better off using Revolt. All features behind a nitro subscription are free there, it's open source and take privacy more seriously. It's discord but better.
They still need to implement end to end encryption though
Hey when do you think stream highlights will come
Whoa 😮 never expected to see anyone on TH-cam mentioning Matrix.
Say, I were to move to the US and become a legal citizen in about a year but I haven't yet opted-out of the agreement to arbitrate, can I opt-out at that moment, or will I never be able to opt-out of it?
This is just me being curious, I have no plans of moving to the US
Dang Early for once? Must be a good day then
if youre concerned about privacy and want something similar to discord, matrix messenger seems pretty good, a whatsapp alternative would be session.
7:50 how about revolt? it's basically a open-source discord that you can also self-host it if you want
People will be out here griping about discord spying on you meanwhile your phone with google on it is listening to your conversation constantly.
babe wake up, ntts just posted!
Is it bad if I don't opt out? I want to know what opting out really does and if I have to do it and if I can use discord comfortably without doing it.
6:09 we just had a topic like that in school (We are german) and a probelm with our data is that theres always someone from the government that has the "Power" or "Right" (Sry my english isnt that good) to acces Discord Servers and their data same with many other companies (Cloud comapnies for example)
It's important to note that you need to send the opt-out email within 30 days AFTER 27th of March. Even though I am a citizen in the EU, I am still going to send the email for the very small chance that I become a US citizen in the future. (no idea if that's even needed, but better safe than sorry)
Hey. It's probably dumb, but I made a private server on Discord to save up my passwords, emails and everything. Is there *any* risk about that? About Discord being "spying" on everyone's messages, and to someone joins it without my permmission, I've been concerned about it since I created it, although I don't think I'm at any risk
you shouldn't be storing any passwords anywhere in plain text on an internet connected device, let alone a chat service. there are plenty of password managers that are perfectly safe to use instead. please do yourself a favor and wipe your private server immediately, and if you are super paranoid or cautious, change all affected passwords.
@@maybeitruns thank you so much! I will do that. Do you recommend any apps or sites that are safe to keep/manage passwords?
@@biatrufa Depending on how much you trust Google or Apple, both have built in password management that work well. Otherwise it ends up depending on if you want free or to spend some money for other apps, and I'm not up to date on what's good these days. I know some people have qualms about Google/Apple, but if they ever went full rogue most of the internet would be completely screwed anyway so I just use them when applicable.
discord store everything about your message even if delete there is still store in database lol xd
@@glompX3 true, but at least with them deleted there is no chance of someone somehow joining the private server and seeing them all. if the best option is shouldn't have happened in the first place, deleting is the second best option
Btw, you have already agreed to discord using stuff you have published to their site, it’s in the TOS (I wrote this before watching the full vid), they could have already used it for AI
There is also this europe law that could go trough (the one that record every chat app), maybe this is just preemptive?
love how people take anything for granted online..
I have a doubt on crome when using mic serch it appers a access to record your audio
Codm funny movements 🤣🤣🤣
taken straight from the privacy policy discord page:
" We generally do not store the contents of video or voice calls or channels. If we were to change that in the future (for example, to facilitate content moderation), we would disclose that to you in advance. We also don’t store streaming content when you share your screen, but we do retain the thumbnail cover image for the stream for a short period of time. "
they still don't save that data, they probably had moved it to another place and people assumed the worst and thought they now collect that data.
Alot of people don't know is that if your a big company like discord that is revolved around chatting. You have to store data for the reason he mentioned, investigations
Ha always sunny reference... Like it
8:25 I've had that setting off for years now and it doesn't disable that, I still have it. Honestly, I'm not really sure WHAT it disables lmao
i`ve never used discord and i still like this type of content.
Everyone: (Having a meltdown)
Me: *Chilling on Discord still*
If discord is actually spying on me I ain’t bout to lie we both gotta touch some grass
i like your plugins, what are they?
Ok so if your account gets disabled by discord for not following tos OR you delete you account what happens to the servers that account owns
they get deleted probably idk
What extension is the colorfull tabs group thing?
This ai is going to be the most unintelligent ai ever made
Title:"Is discord spying on you?"
NTTS: I'll show you how to sue Discord and ruining their investors
Time to back to TeamSpeak 3
i was talking about web hosting for a brief moment and never spoke about it out loud or in my phone. After 3 hours i was bombarded with hosting services in every crevice of the internet
if my discord ever gets leaked im getting a death sentence or somethin 💀
>ccp basically owns percentage of discord
>discord itself is banned in mainland
The video was great... But how tf did you make chrome folders?
You didn't knew about that??
I'm a unique model trained to comment on videos.
This video is great! super cool, I will share this video with everyone on my real discord server
remember that time a 13 year old kid and his friend were joking around in dm about being 12 then they both got banned for being under 13
that still happens
8:02 Please, oh please let that be the next thumbnail
2:30 I mean… yeah, have you seen when they’re down? They take like 2 hours to fully bring everything back
Discord wouldn't have posted anything about what they're doing on their public twitter, usually...that's like saying the Chinese government isn't committing a genocide because of how the Chinese government's social media handles aren't openly supporting it or justifying it.
Question about the whole Arbitration shit at the end, what about anyone who is not in the U.S?
Is this something I don't need to worry/care about as it doesn't bother me? I presume so as the TOS does state its for US members specifically but I just want to be 110% sure.
It's not a surprise, discord've been collecting calls and messages for years now (at least in Russia)
mental outlaw gonna love this one
lmaooo I can already see it coming
what do they do
@@tzarg computer security stuff
Just wondering, if TC could gain access to user data by requesting it, couldn't any investor?
i personally don't have a problem with if discord records messages for ai
the problem i do have is if they store it separately too, not just for the ai
Yes they are.
So is every 3 letter agency in the US.
Software called "Pegasus" and the FBI works inside AT&T buildings and AT&T employees working inside FBI buildings, both with free reign to anything they want.
The main building I'm referring to is "33 Thompson Street"
Yes, 33 as in the freemasons.
Look it up before committing on my beautifully crafted hat.