I love how the first contact with the lone arachnid has a dozen soldiers going full auto for 15 seconds just to take one down, showing a single bug’s toughness. Then hundreds appear immediately after showing the soldiers are outmatched. Love this movie.
@@EthanThomson And that because the mobil infantry can't aim for shit. I believe in the novel it was stated that under stress the accuracy of a trooper was on average 60%.
@@kaelkirkby9191 60% accuracy is INSANE, though. IIRC, in real life it's more like 30-40%. And it's not like it's easy to get that extra 20-30% - that requires INCREDIBLY advanced and thorough training. Which matches up perfectly with the book, in which the soldiers are a bunch of highly trained, ultra-elite space marines in jetpack and nuke-equipped powered armor - not the horde of foot infantry in the movie.
Love the idea of throwing infantry at an enemy whose smallest weakest units are knife spiders the size of a lifted truck that can eat a magazine WHILE EATING YOU
What’s wrong with throwing a few hundred thousand unsupported light infantry onto a planet filled with tens of millions of fast moving bugs who only get pissed when shot?
In the book, mobile infantry weren’t such a light unit. They were practically mobile suits. They airdropped individually, like in halo, and had an array of weaponry along with enhanced movement and strength. Of course, they still had a nightmare when they tried to take klendathu.
@@zaterranwraith7596 True, then again the Arachnids are actually less dangerous in this movie. Had these fools went up against the novel version of the bugs it’s more than likely they would have never gotten off the planet, given warriors would have actual weapons and the small detail of book Arachnids possessing a real fleet.
This movie came out long ago, when my maternal grandfather was still around (fought in the Pacific) saw it with me and my sister. When we were leaving the theater he up and said "just like fighting the Japanese, they wouldn't die no matter how many bullets you shot at them". I was surprised, because he never directly answered any of my childhood questions about the war. That was the only comment he said ever.
I think that the Japanese will have the same issue trying to take over China. They can gun down as many Chinese soldiers but the Chinese will still keep on coming
What is truly amazing are those effects. They were absolutely awesome back in its day and they are nearly flawless even now. I would even say, some modern CGI are way worse then this.
@@HenryHoang-x Even in 2022 the CGI is not so advanced to look 100% real. I remember watching Jurassic park in cinema back in 1993. Those dinosaurs were truly on the screen and Tyranosaurus was absolutely terryfying. No shiny monster in Avatar was even close to that. You can not beat practical effects.
@@hunterspride18 Yup. I think Phil Tippet built a mini bug and then moved it every way it could move. Then they multiple it in the cgi department. That's why it looked good. They also built a large head for the close up shots. Practical effects win every time
I love how Rico doesn't immediately step over Ace's command, he let him lead until Ace was 100% not gonna lead the team. He respected the chain of command and still came out a natural leader
A friend of mine did that. The LT had no idea how to navigate properly and they were several degrees off course and off their sector, but my friend who was Sgt at the time said nothing to hide that the leader was incompetent and just kept everything else running smoothly.
@@edercortes1960 During the bootcamp, Rico made a mistake that costs the life of one of his teammates during live fire exercise. He was punished and demoted from squad leader to regular trooper and Ace was made into the Squad leader. After this fight, Ace was more than happy to relinquish his position as leader back to Rico because he can follow orders without issues but he's not leader material.
what's funny is that rico takes command and his command is to "kill them all." not setting up a line of fire or prioritizing a target or assigning tasks to separate people. just "kill them all."
id say because his video would have been seen by his superiors the whole point of him being there was to make propaganda videos and its a military ran state so if he was seen running away and not filming he would have been hung but he was pretty stupid getting so close with no weapon
@@gannonfrank So instead they'd want him filming one of the worst military defeats in human history? If that doesn't shoot down the claims that the Federation is fascist, I don't know what will.
@@Thoralmir You're saying the federation isn't fascist? you know that the whole movie is a satire to show that fascism is bad, right? The point of the movie is that the federation is fascist.
To everyone wondering why humans invaded Klendathu with just infantrymen, the invasion was rushed. At the time of the drop, the Mobile Infantry was trained and armed to suppress small scale human insurgents on fringe colonial worlds, not fight Arachnids. They treated the operation like an exterminator going to fumigate an ant colony. And they paid the price for their arrogance.
@Buck Nekked The book was amazing. It was less of a raw action story and much more a about the philosophical and moral role of the armed forces in a modern society. There was no love triangle, in the book Dizzy was a dude and died in the first chapter. However, they also had things like the psychological grenade and every member of the MI was in a power armor suit almost like Iron Man, armed with everything up to and including nukes.
Even armys from the feudal era understood the basic concepts of war such as formation and combined operation. It's really incredible to see future military commands make their troops run like headless chickens LOL
the entire premise of this attack was that they were "just stupid bugs" they literally thought it was going to be an extermination lol. After this scene the "sky marshall" i guess the head of the military steps down cuz he's an asshat and we see more intelligent attacks lead against the bugs. also obligatory "in the books the mobile infantry are mech suits" they were basically walking tanks and they still got their asses handed to them.
Because this movie is a satire making fun of military arrogance, fascism, nationalism and other Hollywood action movie. This is black humor mixed with an action movie.
The moment when those troopers just ran out of their landing craft like headless chickens straight into enemy zone without any air support or tank support or mech support and worst, no proper strategy from their high command, I knew the bugs would had a fun time "chop-chop" those troops to meat chunks for supper. Even the terrans at Starcraft managed to held their own against two foes, the protoss and zerg at the start of Great War.
According to military intelligence the resistance should have been "random or light." At this point no one could have imagined that arachnids could lay a trap and possess tactical thinking thanks to brain bug. At this point they would get slaughtered with or without mechanized support.
@@CliffuckingBooth I fuxking disagreed. Have those troops had proper support, the casualities would have been minimized. Moreover, even if it is a trap and the troops got wrong intel by high command, they should have proper officers leading them to battle, not running out of the space craft into open battlefield like headless chickens. There should still be a strategy even if the enemy is not as many as predicted.
I do like the design of the soldier drones. They're like organic kinetic sculptures. There is absolutely no way to upend one and render it defenseless. Any orientation still leaves it capable of lashing out with limbs. Upside down, sideways it don't matter. They're balls of spinning blades at every angle of approach.
Very poetic way to put tbh. Makes it even better when you give them big boot. Like, oh? You're a fancy kinetic sculpture who can't be upturned? Meet my fucking bullet you fucking bug.
It's pretty creepy how over the comms you can faintly hear "the extraction is being overrun." Makes you wonder if any of the boats just left Klendathu in a panic leaving the troopers behind to die.
In the new game, that's exactly what happened when you play this mission. You get left behind with dozens, if not hundreds, of other troops because your forward line got overrunned and the extraction point got flanked
Well considering this is a satirical movie about fascism, his death is actually played in a darkly comedic way. He died because he insisted on getting more fuel for the propaganda machine. Notice how he doesn’t flinch with the reporter gets snatched up and how even during a general retreat he shows a doglike commitment to endlessly filming the bugs killing humans.
Several things the Troopers should have learned from this battle but they never did: 1. Their Body plates and Helmets are useless. 2. Their guns don't have enough firepower or hitting power to take down ONE Arachnid quickly and with as little ammunition as possible. 3. They don't have any backup weapons to use should they run out of ammunition. 4. They have no support vehicles on the ground with them. 5. A dead Arachnid should have been taken from the battle by the Federation, cut apart, dissected and completely studied. Everything from its physical makeup and to its weapon resistance should have been thoroughly studied to understand its strengths and any weaknesses. What they should done BEFORE the battle of Klendathu: 1. Learn exactly how many bullets it takes to kill an Arachnid. 2. Develop more powerful ammunition to cause massive damage per shot, using less ammunition as a backup. 3. Have each Trooper have some kind of high explosive rounds and more explosive projectiles in case bullets don't work as a backup. 4. Learn exactly how effective or ineffective their plates and helmets are by testing it against a Bug in an enclosed pen. Use human dummies and cows covered in plates to see how effective or ineffective the armor is. If the plates and helmets are ineffective, don't send Troopers into combat on the ground until they are.
Well what I heard is that kids really wanted to watch it but since they couldn’t buy tickets because of its rating they bought tickets to another movie and snuck in to see Starship Troopers
Yeaa...for years, every time I saw this series I always wonder : why they fight a thousand, big, almost unpenetrable bugs army with just a puny rifle and man power. Where is the tank, drones etc. Why they do the space war with old WW 1 era tactics, just relied on infantry and man power? It's in future setting so...why they don't use drones to air bombardments. I mean even in today's tactical war, using massive infantry is an old tactics
I’ve always had two readings on this 1. Fed command completely oversold there capabilities and underestimated the bugs 2. They intentionally botched the operation because it would allow for a shake-up of command - a political move by some if the higher-ups.
To heavy and not ready to transport in time. Thay already have portable nukes. Enemy will be close enough to use air support. Enemy swarm under large underground infrastructure don't need time and large mind to: pant bio-bombs, bio-mines, bio-rocket.
My thoughts exactly. Going into battle against a zerg army without any tanks or Goliath's. A dozen battlecruisers fully upgraded would have been all they needed.
Correction: you begin 10 minutes with first stack of marines, believed the Zerg play are noobs for not seeing any attack except retcon. The you realized you are fighting against Serra
Arachnids were exceptionally good adversaries from the POV of a typical movie alien, they were unbelievably vicious and single minded killing machines, great for sci fi.
Im reading the book now and there is a huge difference between the 2. In the book, the M.I. already have the armor suits like in the cgi films. The ship that johnny came in on was actually the valley forge, but it collided with another cruiser when coming out of hyperdrive, and half of the roughnecks were killed before being ejected. When they called for general retreat, he made it to another ship and was eventually transferred to the Roger Young. In the movie, the general who ordered this assault was 'forcibly retired', while in the book he actually died on the front line. One of the big points they make is that the bugs could lay thousands of eggs but keep them dormant, so losses are virtually meaningless to a bug, while this particular battle almost crushed the terran alliance. As they put it, 1 m.i. for 1000 bugs is a net win for the bugs.
@@VoklarenStudiosatire is critique aimed to promote change in a current political climate. the movie is a parody, maybe, but definitely not satire. I also don't think is's a parody even, I just think it has very little to do with the book and got a few things right in terms of comedy. people are giving this movie a little too much credit 😅
Dam it’s sad to see that Ace and Dizzy left Rico alone when their comrade was getting killed. They turn look at him getting killed and run away @4:43 you can both see them. Rico is the only one that stays and “tries to help him.” Rico was left to die by fellow comrades.
This has been happening in Ukraine for months. It's common for Russian troops baling out of disabled vehicles, or coming under small-arms fire by the side of a road, to scatter and leave the AO, their dead or suffering comrades far behind them. Most don't even look back. It's a sure sign of an undisciplined and unmotivated army -- despite some training and even combat experience, the focus of the individual soldier remains on himself, not his small unit or his mission.
People are missing the entire point of this movie. They're using this "tactic" because it's meant to emphasize that the federation values bravery over smarts.
Yes. The training the MI receive in this movie is nominal only. It is mostly indoctrination regarding the need to fight, and that fighting is great and wins one many social benefits -- but they're not shown HOW to fight effectively. They are just assigned in squad-sized gaggles to a leader no older nor better than they are, and sent out against an enemy whose nature and capabilities have been taught to despise. The MI don't use formations, covering fire, (many) support weapons, combined arms, camouflage, obstacles, nothing. I didn't see any combat engineers, medics, recon troops, mortarmen-equivalents, or other support functions. However, the MI recruits ARE routinely told that they're the BEST, and that nothing in the universe can beat them. The resulting combination of incompetence and arrogance is fatal to the Federation's whole effort.
When I saw this, I never such incompetent military combat in SF film before. I was thinking, "Where is the armor, the air support, the artillery?!" It was said during the film's release that the Colonial Marines in Aliens would have wiped the floor with these bunglers.
I love the added terror from first watch that you aren't sure who going to survive, whose dying on screen and off screen, all until the end of the battle.
That woman soldier that went running and got caught by one of the bugs and dragged into the tunnel, she most likely got her brain sucked out by that giant Brain bug😬
Definitely one of the more horrifying implied deaths of the film. It becomes tenfold when you remember she only signed up to serve so she could become a mother.
2:20 Notice how bugs stood there, without attacking, as if to give humans one last chance. Another piece of evidence to show that Arachnids are not the bad guys in this war.
@@berkzyhd Just because they colonize other worlds, like any other race, doesn't meanthey are automatically evil. Plus, Klendathu is on the other side of the galaxy, according to federation vids.
@@dankovskimark4540 how the heck they Klendathu launch an meteor at Buenos Aires, make you wonder if perhaps it was a false flag mission.. to justify invasion and the eradication of the bugs
hurling their spore into space, sending meteors to earth, how do we know they were actually doing that? and it wasnt some tactic by the higher ups to convince people to fight? for all we know the bugs may have done nothing at except defend their home
@@24Pudders Lets talk about the stuff the federation did that would be considered war crimes. Like performing experiments on what are essentially prisoners of war. But they're just bugs of course....
I was pleasantly surprised as to how good this franchise of movies are. Sci-Fi, horror and humour in a fascist future. I have seen them all, live action and animated. Highly recommended.
the 2nd was okay...but 3 was absolutely hot garbage. the animated movies are enjoyable. that old anime is pretty cool tho too. The first movie is a god damn national treasure tho
@@theophilus7422 death worship is fascist? You mean the phrase "do you want to live forever?" That was said by US marine Daniel Daly in WWI. This is a perfect example of people drawing more conclusions from the visuals than the actual content
Paul Verhoeven who directed this film said that he read the original novel by Robert A. Heinlein and got bored halfway into the book, so he turned around and decided to make a military satire of a pseudo-fascist state with lots of gunfire. The technology wasn't there to make a full fledged 3D live action of this film though with the way of how they realistically animated the bug which is VERY good even up until these days, they could've done a decent job at a very hefty cost of maybe $300 million in 1997 dollars. It would've been the most expensive movie in history, so given that nobody was willing to invest in such a bug monstrosity they settle for this, a big screen movie carnage. The movie turn up good and there are some very amazing scenes like Battle at Whiskey Outpost which is amazing.
And then he resolved to read the rest and produced The Roughnecks series, which not only is accurate to the book and movie, but also it ended on the same cliffhanger.
The fact that it takes like 500 rounds to kill a single 'bug' suggests that new and better weapons and tactics are needed. In a war of attrition, humans are going to lose to bugs.
For those that don’t know: the movie is full of satire but I heard the book is really good. Sadly we didn’t get those mech suits in the film due to finance.
Really strong nostalgia about my 1st in Starcraft vs my Brother (Zerg) and my 1st time playing the Imperial Guard... both ended like this scene. Thanks for upload!
Crazy how the 5.56mm round is so versatile even so far into the future, you would think that the common grunt would be equipped with a plasma rifle or laser gun or sorts.
I love this movie. I watched it as a kid thinking it was just a badass sci fi action movie but re watching it after learning it's a satire on American imperialism and war propaganda makes this one of my favorite satire films. With that lens it's incredibly funny on top of just being a fantastic sci fi action movie. Almost all of the guns have no kind of sight, so everyone just sprays from the hip. They just charge blindly at the enemy, they immediately Nuke two bugs, and every single military uniform looks exactly like Nazi uniforms, making fun of American militarism and its government in general. Its all very funny. I wonder if the people in the comments know its a satire and also find it funny or it went over their heads because it does such a good job at blending in as an American war movie. Which is also funny to me. It would genuinely be really cool to hear some feedback. Thanks for reading have a good one!
When you read the book version it is even WORSE than this. Not only were the troopers in power armour with flame units, jump jets and tac nukes, they didn't even know half the bugs they were fighting weren't even Warriors like you see here and posed no threat to them wasting their ammo. They lost half the fleet in one go, including Rico's original unit that was wiped out and his original ship he was assigned to. They vaporized the entire surface of the planet with atomics and it didn't do a damn thing at all, the bugs kept coming. This battle nearly lost them the war at the start. They had no air support like they were suppose to. I could go on but it just stacks to a 'We really thought they were dumb bugs.'
Man, the armies of the future are so advanced they've gone full-circle and have gone back to using the "walk at the enemies in straight rows, out of cover" strategy from the 1700s, such tactical genius. (Also, i like how every background in this movie looks like a movie set, like they put in zero effort to hide it lol)
in the book it's totally different. each M.I is equiped with power armour that can outmanoeuvre and destroy a tank squadron. every bug is armed with a laser rifle that can cleave through that armour. The m.i can take out a thousand bugs, but if one of them dies it's a net gain for the bugs since the bugs can defrost eggs in the thousands and send them onto the front lines.
3:55 i will never stop getting the feeling the bug was offended when called the planet ugly also I swear the bugs get plot armor also there killing someone
@@Blade666324 actually its worse now. Bow they just got smaller, more individuals, and they just eat your brains. They just live in your skull cavity until they're to big and then they bust out of an eye socket or something.
They didn't conduct any recon, bombard the landing zones, or send the troopers in with heavy weapons except for the rocket launchers. They just charged in with light infantry without any regard to fields of fire or reserves. Even the French army of 1914 would have done better.
I saw this movie right after it hit VHS. I was about six years old and it scared the SHID out of me. It was the first time I had seen really graphic violence and it really messed with me lmao. I can't even imagine what kids today must be going through.
When I was about 6, I saw the Das Boot for the first time, and I was amazed. My claustrophobic cousin still refuses to watch it at 43. In my early teens I saw Bad Taste, and It was incredible, especially the part where Derek chainsaws his way through a guy. Not cutting him in half, but cutting a tunnel head to crotch. And the eating the blood-spitting brain with spoons straight from the half-head, beyond amazing. Neither did anything to me. I was already traumatised by real everyday life so bad that that I was barely functional at all. But the the part in Meet the Feebles, where a fly eats shit from a toilet with a spoon, or where they drive a car through a whales intestines, that was funny as ****.
I was 8 and expeted to see a movie similar to Star Wars... At the end I couldn't sleep for a few days. Now I still feel kind of weird in front of such violence but it's easier to watch when you know it is a satire.
For the human civilization that have learned space travel with ease, they have a very funny idea about tactics, sending foot soldiers with a rifle and no commanders, heavy military vehicles or air support of any kind
You understand that the whole goal of the operation was to cause a meatgrinder for the own troops? That the military meteoritebombed their own city to start the war?
It's what happens in fascist societies. They completely underestimate their enemies because in their minds they're just superior to their enemies in every way. There's no need to consider strategies or tactics when they view the enemy as weak, pathetic and incapable of defending themselves.
Having grown up and read the original novel, I realized how incompetent this rabid crowd is, without a formation, without military equipment, without support, with a bunch of suicides covering the line of fire. Truly, cannon fodder. But they retreat perfectly, or rather, they run away with all their legs. The soldiers from the Avatar now look more adequate for me.
They were operating from a point of sheer arrogance. They ,incorrectly, assumed because they had guns and the Arachnids didn’t that they would just mow through them with ease. The commanders of the assault couldn’t understand or appreciate what they were sending their people in against.
@@hisdudeness8328 This is for sure, considering what kind of "intellectuals" they showed us later. I even think that it was all a secret campaign to combat overpopulation: they subtract the most unnecessary people on earth, make them heroes posthumously and cardinally change society in favor of a secret government, on emotions and a desire for revenge, people will join the army and will be ready to do anything for the sake of their space expansion.
The book and the movie have so little in common it's kinda silly. If they had just included the ACTUAL MI from the book this battle scene would've been a slaughter the other way round.
I honestly believe the director and writers of this film were heavily influenced by the aesthetics of the film "Tremors" and its sequel. Watch 'em if you haven't and you'll see what I mean.
The main reason they didn't deploy tanks is because the real mobile inf. Suits were capable of shooting nukes and had jetpack (in the book). But instead the movie production made an close replica of the imperial guard helmet and gear, except no lasgun.
Roughnecks The Starship Troopers Chronicles have mobile suits and jetpacks, is was loosely based in Verhoeven movie and Heinlein book, never the less, even with Mechas, didn't stop being overwhelmed by the Arachnids, hell, they even used AI Infantry Robots, but by the end, the Terran Command stop use them because like in real life, soldiers are cheaper than any equipment or tank, that why now U. S. troopers have faulty equipment, shortages of bullet vests, not let the propaganda fool you, not matter how technological advance they want to appear, their equipment is really poor quality, hell, they spend 3 billions dollars to a plane lift of the ground, but by the end of the day, the aircraft can hover but not take off.
If you watched this great scene and had some questions about the tactics and what was happening, the books spelled it out pretty plainly: They were set up to die so that the military could strengthen its grip and massively increase its armaments during a period where most people, even citizens, were starting to question the military's total control over society. Even the initial bug strike was a false-flag by the military.
It's not wonder we're getting wrecked in this war. Just look. No semblance of tactics or strategy to be seen. Just a bunch of mooks screaming and running with riffles. No APCs or tanks. No air support. No battle lines. No staggered fire -everyone shoots at once, and thus get caught on the reload at once, but then no reloads in this movie so...No tactically retreat. Eveyone just braks and runs, which is how the end even happens. Never give your foe your back. And space was even worse. Ships clustering up, so if one boat goes down, 1-3 more of her sisters bite it as well, conflicting travel paths, so everybody is running into each other like a 3 Stooges skit. The bugs deserve to win.
if only there was some kind of tracked vehicle that had a rotating turret with a large caliber gun in it. Impervious to bug slashes, and capable of blowing apart scores of them. if only.
Not that impervious. After the first round or two from the main gun, multiple bugs would swarm it and either slice off the gun barrel or tear down thru a hatch(es) or the thin top armor. At a minimum the vehicle would be immobilized -- tracks are complex and vulnerable, and engines need to exchange air and heat with their environment; once this exchange is stifled, the engine dies. The accompanying infantry having retreated, each tank would be left as a sort of canned snack for the bugs to figure out how to open later.
Yes, that looks better than most recent shits I've seen. Partially because they used puppets in some scenes, making the whole thing looking more realistic than video-game looking modern CGIs.
Given how bad this ended, I'd hate to think of how these guys would last against something more intelligent and dangerous like the Chimera from _Resistance_ or the Locust/Swarm from _Gears of War_
apparently the people who made the movies thought that a full and proper adaptation of the books wasn't going to be profitable during that time or sth, so they just went and made it into a sorta...propaganda-ish paroday of sorts. That's what I heard at least.
This battle was so intense the Cameraman didn't even survive it. 😳
RIP
He thought he was invicible. Like why do you have to get so close to the monster ? You can just capture the events from a distance.
Good thing there was a 2nd cameraman that filmed the first cameraman dying.
5:20 there you have another one
"But that's okay! We have reserves!" - The Terran Federation, probably.
Hats off to all the fallen cameramen, bringing us first hand footage of this horrific story in our country’s rich history.
it was probably first contact on that kind of scale, so it could be considered intel collection right?
tfw you would like to know more but it requires the sacrifice of human lives
I love how the first contact with the lone arachnid has a dozen soldiers going full auto for 15 seconds just to take one down, showing a single bug’s toughness. Then hundreds appear immediately after showing the soldiers are outmatched. Love this movie.
which is hilarious because the training video shows a single guy killing one in a couple of seconds
@@EthanThomson And that because the mobil infantry can't aim for shit. I believe in the novel it was stated that under stress the accuracy of a trooper was on average 60%.
@@kaelkirkby9191 60% accuracy is INSANE, though. IIRC, in real life it's more like 30-40%. And it's not like it's easy to get that extra 20-30% - that requires INCREDIBLY advanced and thorough training.
Which matches up perfectly with the book, in which the soldiers are a bunch of highly trained, ultra-elite space marines in jetpack and nuke-equipped powered armor - not the horde of foot infantry in the movie.
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Love the idea of throwing infantry at an enemy whose smallest weakest units are knife spiders the size of a lifted truck that can eat a magazine WHILE EATING YOU
What’s wrong with throwing a few hundred thousand unsupported light infantry onto a planet filled with tens of millions of fast moving bugs who only get pissed when shot?
In the book, mobile infantry weren’t such a light unit. They were practically mobile suits. They airdropped individually, like in halo, and had an array of weaponry along with enhanced movement and strength. Of course, they still had a nightmare when they tried to take klendathu.
@@zaterranwraith7596 True, then again the Arachnids are actually less dangerous in this movie. Had these fools went up against the novel version of the bugs it’s more than likely they would have never gotten off the planet, given warriors would have actual weapons and the small detail of book Arachnids possessing a real fleet.
@@bluntblade6887 yes. The warrior arachnids actually had projectile and chemical weapons. They also took prisoners. Scary stuff.
without armoured vehicles and tanks either 🤣
This movie came out long ago, when my maternal grandfather was still around (fought in the Pacific) saw it with me and my sister. When we were leaving the theater he up and said "just like fighting the Japanese, they wouldn't die no matter how many bullets you shot at them". I was surprised, because he never directly answered any of my childhood questions about the war. That was the only comment he said ever.
I think that the Japanese will have the same issue trying to take over China. They can gun down as many Chinese soldiers but the Chinese will still keep on coming
It’s always something unexpected
What is truly amazing are those effects. They were absolutely awesome back in its day and they are nearly flawless even now. I would even say, some modern CGI are way worse then this.
Yeah, they used dummies instead of CGI because the lack of technology but it still looks very real.
@@HenryHoang-x Even in 2022 the CGI is not so advanced to look 100% real. I remember watching Jurassic park in cinema back in 1993. Those dinosaurs were truly on the screen and Tyranosaurus was absolutely terryfying. No shiny monster in Avatar was even close to that. You can not beat practical effects.
That's because a large sum of the movies effects were practical.
@@hunterspride18 Yup. I think Phil Tippet built a mini bug and then moved it every way it could move. Then they multiple it in the cgi department. That's why it looked good. They also built a large head for the close up shots. Practical effects win every time
@@ondracekivo Every single full body shot of the T-rex was CGI.
Their weapons have incredible ammo capacity! I don’t think I ever saw anyone reload once.
Phase plasma rifles in the 40 watt range.
@@Luis-ml8hr they use bullet in that movie
Hey, it's 1997 and a massive scale scene, go easy on them. :P
hhhhh but doesnt mean it not good to have a look, when was my child time, this movie surprise me lots
they do later in the movie, but you probably know that
I love how Rico doesn't immediately step over Ace's command, he let him lead until Ace was 100% not gonna lead the team. He respected the chain of command and still came out a natural leader
A friend of mine did that. The LT had no idea how to navigate properly and they were several degrees off course and off their sector, but my friend who was Sgt at the time said nothing to hide that the leader was incompetent and just kept everything else running smoothly.
@@ribbitgoesthedoglastnamehe4681 that's what NCOs are supposed to do
When did Ace became leader ? I thought he was too cocky and idiotic to follow orders or to even lead a squad
@@edercortes1960 During the bootcamp, Rico made a mistake that costs the life of one of his teammates during live fire exercise. He was punished and demoted from squad leader to regular trooper and Ace was made into the Squad leader. After this fight, Ace was more than happy to relinquish his position as leader back to Rico because he can follow orders without issues but he's not leader material.
what's funny is that rico takes command and his command is to "kill them all." not setting up a line of fire or prioritizing a target or assigning tasks to separate people. just "kill them all."
That cameraman was devoted and only had one day left until retirement
id say because his video would have been seen by his superiors the whole point of him being there was to make propaganda videos and its a military ran state so if he was seen running away and not filming he would have been hung but he was pretty stupid getting so close with no weapon
@@gannonfrank all that tech and no zoom lens on the camera
@@gannonfrank So instead they'd want him filming one of the worst military defeats in human history? If that doesn't shoot down the claims that the Federation is fascist, I don't know what will.
@@Thoralmir You're saying the federation isn't fascist? you know that the whole movie is a satire to show that fascism is bad, right? The point of the movie is that the federation is fascist.
To everyone wondering why humans invaded Klendathu with just infantrymen, the invasion was rushed.
At the time of the drop, the Mobile Infantry was trained and armed to suppress small scale human insurgents on fringe colonial worlds, not fight Arachnids.
They treated the operation like an exterminator going to fumigate an ant colony. And they paid the price for their arrogance.
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"This isn't random or light. Someone made a mistake"
@Buck Nekked more or less. The difference was the infantry were in power armored suits and the bugs were way more powerful.
FOOT ZERG
didn't work.
Never did.
@Buck Nekked The book was amazing. It was less of a raw action story and much more a about the philosophical and moral role of the armed forces in a modern society. There was no love triangle, in the book Dizzy was a dude and died in the first chapter. However, they also had things like the psychological grenade and every member of the MI was in a power armor suit almost like Iron Man, armed with everything up to and including nukes.
Even armys from the feudal era understood the basic concepts of war such as formation and combined operation. It's really incredible to see future military commands make their troops run like headless chickens LOL
the entire premise of this attack was that they were "just stupid bugs" they literally thought it was going to be an extermination lol. After this scene the "sky marshall" i guess the head of the military steps down cuz he's an asshat and we see more intelligent attacks lead against the bugs. also obligatory "in the books the mobile infantry are mech suits" they were basically walking tanks and they still got their asses handed to them.
HAHAHAHAHA
Because this movie is a satire making fun of military arrogance, fascism, nationalism and other Hollywood action movie. This is black humor mixed with an action movie.
Even the bugs were more ordered than human
@@paulhenry22 bingo
The moment when those troopers just ran out of their landing craft like headless chickens straight into enemy zone without any air support or tank support or mech support and worst, no proper strategy from their high command, I knew the bugs would had a fun time "chop-chop" those troops to meat chunks for supper. Even the terrans at Starcraft managed to held their own against two foes, the protoss and zerg at the start of Great War.
Love the StarCraft franchise
@@justaguywholikestosoundsma6760 sc2 ded gaem
According to military intelligence the resistance should have been "random or light." At this point no one could have imagined that arachnids could lay a trap and possess tactical thinking thanks to brain bug. At this point they would get slaughtered with or without mechanized support.
Dday, omaha beach, the first was iirc close to 100% casualties
@@CliffuckingBooth I fuxking disagreed. Have those troops had proper support, the casualities would have been minimized. Moreover, even if it is a trap and the troops got wrong intel by high command, they should have proper officers leading them to battle, not running out of the space craft into open battlefield like headless chickens. There should still be a strategy even if the enemy is not as many as predicted.
I do like the design of the soldier drones. They're like organic kinetic sculptures. There is absolutely no way to upend one and render it defenseless. Any orientation still leaves it capable of lashing out with limbs. Upside down, sideways it don't matter. They're balls of spinning blades at every angle of approach.
Very poetic way to put tbh. Makes it even better when you give them big boot. Like, oh? You're a fancy kinetic sculpture who can't be upturned? Meet my fucking bullet you fucking bug.
I love the CameraMan's reaction to the reporter getting chomped by the bug.. 'get that closeup!!'
The decapitation, dismemberment, and disemboweling effects are TOP NOTCH! Never seen so much high quality gore in a movie before or since!
eli roth would be proud.
Man that bug at the end really gave it his all
Lies again? Serie A Leader Sexy Striker
the bug zealot
He should get the Queens Medal of Honor postuhumously. bug #2392349238 was the greatest worker of all.
It's pretty creepy how over the comms you can faintly hear "the extraction is being overrun." Makes you wonder if any of the boats just left Klendathu in a panic leaving the troopers behind to die.
Its around 4:31.
In the new game, that's exactly what happened when you play this mission. You get left behind with dozens, if not hundreds, of other troops because your forward line got overrunned and the extraction point got flanked
@@IronVigilance What’s the new game called?
@@slyguy8931 starship troopers terran command. Its great just watch out for scorpions
@@IronVigilance It's a fun game.
One of the few movies from the 90's where the CGI still holds up today. God, I love this movie!
Cuz it was practical most of the time
I think there's quite a few movies, Jurassic Park for example...
@@foxhound5985Terminator 2
Respect for the cameraman doing his duty
Well considering this is a satirical movie about fascism, his death is actually played in a darkly comedic way. He died because he insisted on getting more fuel for the propaganda machine. Notice how he doesn’t flinch with the reporter gets snatched up and how even during a general retreat he shows a doglike commitment to endlessly filming the bugs killing humans.
it was probably first contact on that kind of scale, so it could be considered intel collection right?
Several things the Troopers should have learned from this battle but they never did:
1. Their Body plates and Helmets are useless.
2. Their guns don't have enough firepower or hitting power to take down ONE Arachnid quickly and with as little ammunition as possible.
3. They don't have any backup weapons to use should they run out of ammunition.
4. They have no support vehicles on the ground with them.
5. A dead Arachnid should have been taken from the battle by the Federation, cut apart, dissected and completely studied. Everything from its physical makeup and to its weapon resistance should have been thoroughly studied to understand its strengths and any weaknesses.
What they should done BEFORE the battle of Klendathu:
1. Learn exactly how many bullets it takes to kill an Arachnid.
2. Develop more powerful ammunition to cause massive damage per shot, using less ammunition as a backup.
3. Have each Trooper have some kind of high explosive rounds and more explosive projectiles in case bullets don't work as a backup.
4. Learn exactly how effective or ineffective their plates and helmets are by testing it against a Bug in an enclosed pen. Use human dummies and cows covered in plates to see how effective or ineffective the armor is. If the plates and helmets are ineffective, don't send Troopers into combat on the ground until they are.
a hidden gem that aged well, it bombed at the boxoffice back in the day but is weirdly acclaimed 25 year later. (fully deserved)
I like it a lot.
Well what I heard is that kids really wanted to watch it but since they couldn’t buy tickets because of its rating they bought tickets to another movie and snuck in to see Starship Troopers
04:06
Reporter: *ripped apart by giant bugs* OH GOD, HELP ME!
Cameraman: and were live.
Yeah, enjoyed this movie so much back in high school. Also amazed they have like 10,000 soldiers but only gave loaded guns to like ten of them
Get some bombers, tanks or artillery could be a good idea.
Yeaa...for years, every time I saw this series I always wonder : why they fight a thousand, big, almost unpenetrable bugs army with just a puny rifle and man power. Where is the tank, drones etc. Why they do the space war with old WW 1 era tactics, just relied on infantry and man power?
It's in future setting so...why they don't use drones to air bombardments. I mean even in today's tactical war, using massive infantry is an old tactics
Even WWI generals knew to soften up an area with a sustained preparatory artillery bombardment.
I’ve always had two readings on this
1. Fed command completely oversold there capabilities and underestimated the bugs
2. They intentionally botched the operation because it would allow for a shake-up of command - a political move by some if the higher-ups.
@@Hadihadi-wr8mt I know. Not even flamethrowers...
To heavy and not ready to transport in time.
Thay already have portable nukes. Enemy will be close enough to use air support.
Enemy swarm under large underground infrastructure don't need time and large mind to: pant bio-bombs, bio-mines, bio-rocket.
When you push out with your Terran army of 50 Marines, thinking you're so badass, and realize Zerg's already maxed...
My thoughts exactly. Going into battle against a zerg army without any tanks or Goliath's. A dozen battlecruisers fully upgraded would have been all they needed.
@@butchsprout5725 WHO'S IN CHARGE HERE and WHERE IS THE AIR SUPPORT?
Not one Firebat or Medic deployed 😂
And they forgot their stimpacks.
Correction: you begin 10 minutes with first stack of marines, believed the Zerg play are noobs for not seeing any attack except retcon. The you realized you are fighting against Serra
Arachnids were exceptionally good adversaries from the POV of a typical movie alien, they were unbelievably vicious and single minded killing machines, great for sci fi.
Im reading the book now and there is a huge difference between the 2. In the book, the M.I. already have the armor suits like in the cgi films. The ship that johnny came in on was actually the valley forge, but it collided with another cruiser when coming out of hyperdrive, and half of the roughnecks were killed before being ejected. When they called for general retreat, he made it to another ship and was eventually transferred to the Roger Young. In the movie, the general who ordered this assault was 'forcibly retired', while in the book he actually died on the front line.
One of the big points they make is that the bugs could lay thousands of eggs but keep them dormant, so losses are virtually meaningless to a bug, while this particular battle almost crushed the terran alliance. As they put it, 1 m.i. for 1000 bugs is a net win for the bugs.
Main difference is that the movie was made as a satire of the book, more serious politicaly
@@VoklarenStudiosatire is critique aimed to promote change in a current political climate. the movie is a parody, maybe, but definitely not satire. I also don't think is's a parody even, I just think it has very little to do with the book and got a few things right in terms of comedy. people are giving this movie a little too much credit 😅
It's kind of a joke of an adaptation. But not a bad movie in itself@@VoklarenStudio
@@Stephanie-mv9iy I love this movie
This was far more intense then I remembered it being. Holy shit they captured it perfect.
Dam it’s sad to see that Ace and Dizzy left Rico alone when their comrade was getting killed. They turn look at him getting killed and run away @4:43 you can both see them. Rico is the only one that stays and “tries to help him.” Rico was left to die by fellow comrades.
It's ok - the camera man had his back (and nothing ever happens to the camera-man, right?) 😂
This has been happening in Ukraine for months. It's common for Russian troops baling out of disabled vehicles, or coming under small-arms fire by the side of a road, to scatter and leave the AO, their dead or suffering comrades far behind them. Most don't even look back. It's a sure sign of an undisciplined and unmotivated army -- despite some training and even combat experience, the focus of the individual soldier remains on himself, not his small unit or his mission.
They both said "nope"
People are missing the entire point of this movie. They're using this "tactic" because it's meant to emphasize that the federation values bravery over smarts.
Yes. The training the MI receive in this movie is nominal only. It is mostly indoctrination regarding the need to fight, and that fighting is great and wins one many social benefits -- but they're not shown HOW to fight effectively. They are just assigned in squad-sized gaggles to a leader no older nor better than they are, and sent out against an enemy whose nature and capabilities have been taught to despise. The MI don't use formations, covering fire, (many) support weapons, combined arms, camouflage, obstacles, nothing. I didn't see any combat engineers, medics, recon troops, mortarmen-equivalents, or other support functions. However, the MI recruits ARE routinely told that they're the BEST, and that nothing in the universe can beat them. The resulting combination of incompetence and arrogance is fatal to the Federation's whole effort.
That's because it's an action movie, they never show actual military tactics or what fighting actually looks like.
3:53 Now that's a real cameraman! Dedicated, composed, and most important of all, steady! 💯💯
4:52 "El camarógrafo siempre vive" desmentido😭
This was surprisingly vicious and palpable. You really feel it.
When I saw this, I never such incompetent military combat in SF film before. I was thinking, "Where is the armor, the air support, the artillery?!" It was said during the film's release that the Colonial Marines in Aliens would have wiped the floor with these bunglers.
2:30 - I love this guy. He's clear throwback to Hudson from Aliens.
This is one of the best parodies on fascism I've ever seen. You watch as a someone is indoctrinated until their final death.
I love the added terror from first watch that you aren't sure who going to survive, whose dying on screen and off screen, all until the end of the battle.
In the books, humans were more than a match for the Arachnids.
Here, they get wrecked savagely.
Getting skewerd, ripped apart, disembowled, cut in half has got to be a most horrific and painful way to go.
never know til ya try
That’s what artillery does
Man, the trailer for Helldivers 3 looks incredibly photorealistic, I wonder if my PC will even run it
That woman soldier that went running and got caught by one of the bugs and dragged into the tunnel, she most likely got her brain sucked out by that giant Brain bug😬
Ya she got that bonus hole bruh skeet skeet!
Definitely one of the more horrifying implied deaths of the film. It becomes tenfold when you remember she only signed up to serve so she could become a mother.
@timeasley3633 for real i think her death was the worse. Nobody knew she fell into that hole. So she was listed as Mia :( when it was really kia
Their aiming is excellent......this comment coming from a Storm Trooper
Rest In Pieces to all those people who didn't make it back home.
"HELP MEEEE"
"I was told to film. Imma film."
Gotta love how they inadvertently gave away their position by firing the rockets from the shuttles. XD
I saw that and wondered why, I believe they were firing star shells to light the battlefield.
@@JMon2021 They were trying to cover the drop ships which were being shot down by the Plasma Bugs and their spoor.
The original Helldivers
2:20 Notice how bugs stood there, without attacking, as if to give humans one last chance. Another piece of evidence to show that Arachnids are not the bad guys in this war.
they kind of are because theyve been launching their spores all over different planets to take over them and earth was next
@@berkzyhd Just because they colonize other worlds, like any other race, doesn't meanthey are automatically evil. Plus, Klendathu is on the other side of the galaxy, according to federation vids.
@@dankovskimark4540 how the heck they Klendathu launch an meteor at Buenos Aires, make you wonder if perhaps it was a false flag mission.. to justify invasion and the eradication of the bugs
hurling their spore into space, sending meteors to earth, how do we know they were actually doing that? and it wasnt some tactic by the higher ups to convince people to fight? for all we know the bugs may have done nothing at except defend their home
@@24Pudders Lets talk about the stuff the federation did that would be considered war crimes. Like performing experiments on what are essentially prisoners of war. But they're just bugs of course....
2:28 Grunt, stay in formation with your squad! That's an order!!
2:40 That's why you stay in formation with your squad.....
I was pleasantly surprised as to how good this franchise of movies are. Sci-Fi, horror and humour in a fascist future. I have seen them all, live action and animated. Highly recommended.
the 2nd was okay...but 3 was absolutely hot garbage. the animated movies are enjoyable. that old anime is pretty cool tho too. The first movie is a god damn national treasure tho
It's evidently democratic though.
That you can only vote if you are a citizen does not make it fascist.
fascism= long coats?
@@martinguerra5152 Their uniforms are certainly influenced by Nazi Germany. Along with the death worship.
@@theophilus7422 death worship is fascist?
You mean the phrase "do you want to live forever?" That was said by US marine Daniel Daly in WWI.
This is a perfect example of people drawing more conclusions from the visuals than the actual content
Damn, they should have given those soldiers more effective rifles.
I appreciate Rico unloading everything he's got 'till the better end.
"COME ON!!!!" As he charges into the slaughter. Haha i felt that on a gamer level 😂
Paul Verhoeven who directed this film said that he read the original novel by Robert A. Heinlein and got bored halfway into the book, so he turned around and decided to make a military satire of a pseudo-fascist state with lots of gunfire. The technology wasn't there to make a full fledged 3D live action of this film though with the way of how they realistically animated the bug which is VERY good even up until these days, they could've done a decent job at a very hefty cost of maybe $300 million in 1997 dollars. It would've been the most expensive movie in history, so given that nobody was willing to invest in such a bug monstrosity they settle for this, a big screen movie carnage. The movie turn up good and there are some very amazing scenes like Battle at Whiskey Outpost which is amazing.
It is very heavy going
The movie is good by a miracle esentially
This a perfect example of death of the author (the director not the book author)
Lmao read half the book and the film still came out good.
@@martinguerra5152 The book is good, just very different from the film
And then he resolved to read the rest and produced The Roughnecks series, which not only is accurate to the book and movie, but also it ended on the same cliffhanger.
I was rooting for the bugs
Love this movie, they don’t make ‘em like this anymore
They didn't make them like this back then either. lol
The fact that it takes like 500 rounds to kill a single 'bug' suggests that new and better weapons and tactics are needed. In a war of attrition, humans are going to lose to bugs.
They didn't carefully aim for the weak points.
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@@ElBanditothe movie just makes almost no sense.
Like Russia’s war of attrition towards their Ukrainian and nato adversaries, not bad Russia, not bad
Become A Helldiver
and do your part!
how did they get such good visual effects at the time ? They´re better than some much more modern movies such as Gods of Egypt....
For those that don’t know: the movie is full of satire but I heard the book is really good. Sadly we didn’t get those mech suits in the film due to finance.
I think Heinlein was the first writer to come up with the idea of powered armor. In the book, the suits also have rocket-assisted jumping capability.
@@Markus_Andrew would of been better if they added them.
@@Maelodas Agree. But like you said, the budget probably wouldn't have allowed for it as it would have added whole extra layers of time and expense.
I like the powered suits from the CGI movies that were directed by Shinji Aramaki
@@IronVigilance I've seen a bit of those and yeah, the suits in them were much closer to what was described in the novel.
Really strong nostalgia about my 1st in Starcraft vs my Brother (Zerg) and my 1st time playing the Imperial Guard... both ended like this scene. Thanks for upload!
Crazy how the 5.56mm round is so versatile even so far into the future, you would think that the common grunt would be equipped with a plasma rifle or laser gun or sorts.
One little thing tho, the rifles they use (I think they're called Morita) were actually chambered in 7.62mm
Yeah, that’s what killed this movie for me. We can travel to other planets but we still rely on firearms that use gunpowder.
Srsly, a little flame would've cleared up this whole thing.
@@dinoflagella4185 Damn, do you also hate the badass weapons of Aliens too?
Bolters would be a different story ...
It’s like play fps shooter game from the 90s-2000s that’s what’s make it’s so good
these guys went from Starship Troopers to Imperial Guard real fast
Daaang, that roar at 2:14 was epic !!!
"Remember your training and you WILL make it out alive!" This battle proves that, that was a lie
But many did come out alive, by remembering to follow their fall back order. ;)
This is why we should leave giant insect invasions to machines, like Skynet or Battledroids.
Sgt. “You kill anything that has more than 2 legs!!! You get me!?”
Platoon: “Yes sir!!!”
Probably the single best line in the movie!!!
"We get you sir!"
@@Wolf10media Hell yea
I love this movie. I watched it as a kid thinking it was just a badass sci fi action movie but re watching it after learning it's a satire on American imperialism and war propaganda makes this one of my favorite satire films. With that lens it's incredibly funny on top of just being a fantastic sci fi action movie. Almost all of the guns have no kind of sight, so everyone just sprays from the hip. They just charge blindly at the enemy, they immediately Nuke two bugs, and every single military uniform looks exactly like Nazi uniforms, making fun of American militarism and its government in general. Its all very funny. I wonder if the people in the comments know its a satire and also find it funny or it went over their heads because it does such a good job at blending in as an American war movie. Which is also funny to me. It would genuinely be really cool to hear some feedback. Thanks for reading have a good one!
Одна из сильнейших боевых сцен в фильме. Цена недооценивания противника бывает очень высока...
"Недооценили" - ещё мягко сказано. Это полный провал.
poor kitten. Opened up like a good book =(
They never did show how Rico survived that.
When you read the book version it is even WORSE than this.
Not only were the troopers in power armour with flame units, jump jets and tac nukes, they didn't even know half the bugs they were fighting weren't even Warriors like you see here and posed no threat to them wasting their ammo.
They lost half the fleet in one go, including Rico's original unit that was wiped out and his original ship he was assigned to.
They vaporized the entire surface of the planet with atomics and it didn't do a damn thing at all, the bugs kept coming.
This battle nearly lost them the war at the start.
They had no air support like they were suppose to.
I could go on but it just stacks to a 'We really thought they were dumb bugs.'
4:02 even as a kid it was funny to see the cameraman and even more so as an adult.
"WANT SOME! GET SOME! YEAH GET SOME OF THIS!" Who did not see that commin ROFL.
I use that when i know im gunna die, in game. 🤣
Man, the armies of the future are so advanced they've gone full-circle and have gone back to using the "walk at the enemies in straight rows, out of cover" strategy from the 1700s, such tactical genius. (Also, i like how every background in this movie looks like a movie set, like they put in zero effort to hide it lol)
Well why use cover when your enemy is purely melee?
@@Pikkabuu TRUE. big true, I didn't think of that
Arrogance, they thought they were exterminating a bunch of ants when it was a *lot* more than that.
in the book it's totally different. each M.I is equiped with power armour that can outmanoeuvre and destroy a tank squadron. every bug is armed with a laser rifle that can cleave through that armour. The m.i can take out a thousand bugs, but if one of them dies it's a net gain for the bugs since the bugs can defrost eggs in the thousands and send them onto the front lines.
@@jamesliu8095 That's why terran federation should've either nuked Klendathu or caused "Bug Sun" to go nova taking care of the homeworld.
3:55 i will never stop getting the feeling the bug was offended when called the planet ugly
also I swear the bugs get plot armor also there killing someone
This was one of the worst attacks of all time 😂
they folded quicker than the imperial guard do.
@@Blade666324 they were outnumbered billions to 1. Just like you are right now.
@@Blade666324 actually its worse now. Bow they just got smaller, more individuals, and they just eat your brains. They just live in your skull cavity until they're to big and then they bust out of an eye socket or something.
They went smaller and got scarier.
They didn't conduct any recon, bombard the landing zones, or send the troopers in with heavy weapons except for the rocket launchers. They just charged in with light infantry without any regard to fields of fire or reserves. Even the French army of 1914 would have done better.
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I saw this movie right after it hit VHS. I was about six years old and it scared the SHID out of me. It was the first time I had seen really graphic violence and it really messed with me lmao. I can't even imagine what kids today must be going through.
When I was about 6, I saw the Das Boot for the first time, and I was amazed. My claustrophobic cousin still refuses to watch it at 43. In my early teens I saw Bad Taste, and It was incredible, especially the part where Derek chainsaws his way through a guy. Not cutting him in half, but cutting a tunnel head to crotch.
And the eating the blood-spitting brain with spoons straight from the half-head, beyond amazing.
Neither did anything to me. I was already traumatised by real everyday life so bad that that I was barely functional at all.
But the the part in Meet the Feebles, where a fly eats shit from a toilet with a spoon, or where they drive a car through a whales intestines, that was funny as ****.
I was 8 and expeted to see a movie similar to Star Wars... At the end I couldn't sleep for a few days.
Now I still feel kind of weird in front of such violence but it's easier to watch when you know it is a satire.
I like how they unloaded more than their infantry-machingun can even hold on 1 bug and the bug just walks around "I'm fine".
For the human civilization that have learned space travel with ease, they have a very funny idea about tactics, sending foot soldiers with a rifle and no commanders, heavy military vehicles or air support of any kind
I still love the movie growing up though
@@justaguywholikestosoundsma6760 Smart
Can you imagine if they go up against a more advance civilization? Least to other franchises like the UNSC they put up a better fight for DECADES
You understand that the whole goal of the operation was to cause a meatgrinder for the own troops? That the military meteoritebombed their own city to start the war?
It's what happens in fascist societies. They completely underestimate their enemies because in their minds they're just superior to their enemies in every way. There's no need to consider strategies or tactics when they view the enemy as weak, pathetic and incapable of defending themselves.
Sooooo good movie
Having grown up and read the original novel, I realized how incompetent this rabid crowd is, without a formation, without military equipment, without support, with a bunch of suicides covering the line of fire. Truly, cannon fodder. But they retreat perfectly, or rather, they run away with all their legs. The soldiers from the Avatar now look more adequate for me.
That's the point in the movie, they underestimate the bugs
They were operating from a point of sheer arrogance. They ,incorrectly, assumed because they had guns and the Arachnids didn’t that they would just mow through them with ease. The commanders of the assault couldn’t understand or appreciate what they were sending their people in against.
@@hisdudeness8328 This is for sure, considering what kind of "intellectuals" they showed us later. I even think that it was all a secret campaign to combat overpopulation: they subtract the most unnecessary people on earth, make them heroes posthumously and cardinally change society in favor of a secret government, on emotions and a desire for revenge, people will join the army and will be ready to do anything for the sake of their space expansion.
The book and the movie have so little in common it's kinda silly. If they had just included the ACTUAL MI from the book this battle scene would've been a slaughter the other way round.
Few military realism survive movies encounter, you know.
I'm glad there was such an upbeat outro.
The bugs were a determined bunch!
Richard nixon
this is the best true war movie ever made
I honestly believe the director and writers of this film were heavily influenced by the aesthetics of the film "Tremors" and its sequel.
Watch 'em if you haven't and you'll see what I mean.
Commander: CALL IN THE BIG GUN!
Bugs: Why do I hear Mick Gordon & A Chainsaw?
The main reason they didn't deploy tanks is because the real mobile inf. Suits were capable of shooting nukes and had jetpack (in the book).
But instead the movie production made an close replica of the imperial guard helmet and gear, except no lasgun.
Roughnecks The Starship Troopers Chronicles have mobile suits and jetpacks, is was loosely based in Verhoeven movie and Heinlein book, never the less, even with Mechas, didn't stop being overwhelmed by the Arachnids, hell, they even used AI Infantry Robots, but by the end, the Terran Command stop use them because like in real life, soldiers are cheaper than any equipment or tank, that why now U. S. troopers have faulty equipment, shortages of bullet vests, not let the propaganda fool you, not matter how technological advance they want to appear, their equipment is really poor quality, hell, they spend 3 billions dollars to a plane lift of the ground, but by the end of the day, the aircraft can hover but not take off.
If you watched this great scene and had some questions about the tactics and what was happening, the books spelled it out pretty plainly:
They were set up to die so that the military could strengthen its grip and massively increase its armaments during a period where most people, even citizens, were starting to question the military's total control over society. Even the initial bug strike was a false-flag by the military.
Just like the game, the dude that separates away from the group usually gets brutally murdered.
It's not wonder we're getting wrecked in this war. Just look. No semblance of tactics or strategy to be seen. Just a bunch of mooks screaming and running with riffles. No APCs or tanks. No air support. No battle lines. No staggered fire -everyone shoots at once, and thus get caught on the reload at once, but then no reloads in this movie so...No tactically retreat. Eveyone just braks and runs, which is how the end even happens. Never give your foe your back. And space was even worse. Ships clustering up, so if one boat goes down, 1-3 more of her sisters bite it as well, conflicting travel paths, so everybody is running into each other like a 3 Stooges skit. The bugs deserve to win.
if only there was some kind of tracked vehicle that had a rotating turret with a large caliber gun in it. Impervious to bug slashes, and capable of blowing apart scores of them. if only.
Tanks are probably not that easy to drop from space :D
Not that impervious. After the first round or two from the main gun, multiple bugs would swarm it and either slice off the gun barrel or tear down thru a hatch(es) or the thin top armor. At a minimum the vehicle would be immobilized -- tracks are complex and vulnerable, and engines need to exchange air and heat with their environment; once this exchange is stifled, the engine dies. The accompanying infantry having retreated, each tank would be left as a sort of canned snack for the bugs to figure out how to open later.
Bugs will simply dig tunnels under heavy war machines and the tanks will sink into the ground.
What a strategy, charge straight ahead without seeking high ground, cover or supporting fire.
this is more atmosphere-creating and believable with 1997 tech than most CGI fests are today
Yes, that looks better than most recent shits I've seen.
Partially because they used puppets in some scenes, making the whole thing looking more realistic than video-game looking modern CGIs.
Given how bad this ended, I'd hate to think of how these guys would last against something more intelligent and dangerous like the Chimera from _Resistance_ or the Locust/Swarm from _Gears of War_
I read the book years ago. I remember they had suits on. Like they resembled armored apes.
apparently the people who made the movies thought that a full and proper adaptation of the books wasn't going to be profitable during that time or sth, so they just went and made it into a sorta...propaganda-ish paroday of sorts. That's what I heard at least.
For me one of the top ten SF movies !!!
I always had a hard time believing Rico made it out of there alive lol
No artillery.
No armor support.
No air support.
Yea, that went about as well as you could expect.