Our electric furlers are all working just fine at 27 years old. Also an Amel Super Maramu is around $200000 you would get a Amel 54 for less than $500000. I have been sailing over 40 years, living full time onboard for 6 years. Lived and sailed on Jenneau etc, they are definitely not luxury compared to even a much older Super Maramu. The SM is far more comfortable to liv and sail on. On our Jenneau we arrived from multi day passages tired, often cold, wet etc. On the SM we arrive refreshed, warm, dry, showered not smelling etc. OK there is more maintenance but due to more systems. You add water maker, generator, dishwasher, washing machine, air conditioning etc to any boat you increase maintenance. Benefit to Amel is they are high quality and factory fitted. If you don’t use them then fine. We removed dishwasher, make room for beer cooler and ice maker. Our air conditioning didn’t work in aft cabin so removed it. For a boat that size to sail single handed, as designed for a couple to sail the world, so while one sleeps the other is single handed, you need electric winches and furling etc. However there is manual backup for everything. All I can say if if we ever change boat again, it will be for another Amel never sail ‘ live on anything else now.
I am so happy for you you found something that works for YOU.... to bad it took 40years is all wish you best of luck. keep rule number 1 in play keep water out.
@@c.a.mcneil7599 mate didn’t taken 40 years to find it…… It took 40 years before I could afford it and take the time off from work life to go enjoy it. 🤣😂👍⛵️
Thanks for your comment. I am working with the dream of acquiring one in the future (Discovery, Garcia, OVNI are also on my wish list. Tough choices). Just need the kids to be done with college. :-) Enjoy the adventures!
I agree entirely....we have owned our Super Maramu for 13 years now, sailed over 40,000 nm in the Pacific and have had ZERO problems with electric motors. They are NOT an issue. The major advantages of AMEL are the SOLID construction, easily handed sails and the totally protected helm position. The maintenance issues are reallty no different to other boats of the same size...mostly pumps, heads, running rigging, antifoul....but the difference in comfort is immeasurable. You cannot know how good it is until you have sailed on one. I wouldn't have anything else.
Wow I’m glad I looked at these comments. I got scared of the SM because of the systems but then decided the Sentorin was the one for me now you have helped me . I’ve been part of the owner group about five years now I follow everything people fix on the boats I actually feel now I’m ready for one . If anyone with an Amel is ever in the uk please can I come sailing with you ? I’ll help with maintenance which I’d actually really enjoy and I can fix shit I’m good at fixing stuff.
First boat owner, not mechanically minded, nor electrical - bought a boat - spent 6 weeks fitting-out, and then took off for the blue water - been cruising and living aboard since, all waters, all weather. Sure, adopted the Pardeys ethos - creating the unbreakable boat - so we do carry a few spares (but no more than any other remote-area cruiser wanting a degree of self-sufficiency) - and we do need to spend 4-6 weeks a year pausing for repairs and maintenance, but this is no different from any other blue-water cruiser who is out there and doing it. I find that there are no more breakages on average than other makes, but the access for R&M is far better thought out, so less daunting. Maintenance is more likely to be done, repairs not a challenge (apart from the steep learning curve - but that would be the same for any first-boat owner on any make). It is not so much systems complexity - the systems (design & implementation) are straightforward - but the number of systems does add up. But there is a price to pay for comfort, and redundancy. One fridge/freezer fails - we have another (not that a single one has failed, yet, touch wood). Yes, you guessed it, happy AMEL owner (4 years on) ... Can we afford it? Probably not, but we worked long & hard, you only live once, and all that stuff .
Comparing Amel to Beneteau is like comparing Mercedes/BMW to Fiat/Chevrolet. There is no comparison at all. You will understand this if you sail long distance on both of these boat brands. They are completely different boats, built for completely different purpose.
Well I would put my 1981 GMC 1/2 ton up against anything when it comes to built to last and easy to maintain , so your right there is no comparison , you can buy 1 GMC keep it for life had mine 44 years or try to fix a mercedes/bmw/fiat
It’s only complicated if you do not understand the systems. They are actually quite simple. As an owner they built to be serviceable anywhere in the the world. I can still get parts after 30 years. They are rugged. Most owners work on their boats. Henri’s philosophy was keep it simple, which they are, if you know what your looking at. The AMEL FORUM provides a robust base for repairs and the factory still provides all owners support. Innovations are a hallmark of AMEL. I think you should have done research before knocking the brand.
Don't know which video you looked at, I have not seen any knocking here. And Amels having multiple complex systems is not a question of opinion. Seeing it demanding or not is personal, has not much to do with research.
...the ketch doesn't sail better when it's all set up, it just gives smaller pieces of canvass to handle, and two masts. So more Safety. (...and a ketch is more beautiful). I agree with your summary.
Thanks for a very interesting review of the Amels, and the history of Henri Amel. A couple of comments from a happy Super Maramu owner:- My understanding of the design aims was for a boat which would allow two people to safely and comfortably sail around the world. Flowing from this were several design decisions including:- - a ketch rig so that individual sails were smaller and easier to handle - furling motors so that most sail trim could be done without leaving the cockpit - manual backup for motorised sail furling - duplicated autopilot systems - 4 watertight bulkheads - adequate handholds for safety in a seaway rather than an open-plan design. It’s true that these boats are expensive (mine had three previous owners), but it is well supported by the factory, but not , as you say, a minimalist design. Thanks again for the interesting review Andrew (s/v Sueno Azul, SM#39)
Missed discussing the safety features of the Amel which is the 5 waterproof bulkheads which make an Amel practically impossible to sink. It seems the a little trite to not mention the best parts of Amel.
I really loved this video. It sort of reinforced my pre-cruising approach. Right now, I'm working on my own house renovations and doing almost all the work on both of my cars mechanically. I'm pushing the boundaries on my own competence and forcing myself to dive head first into projects I've not done. Watching Brian on Delos all these years has made me realize the value in being your own mechanic, refrigeration tech and shipwright. I aspire to walk in similar shoes.
Good point - it actually takes more determination to do this on land bc on the sea you have no choice. Inspiring, will attempt something similar. Thanks.
Would like to hear your thoughts on Kraken? They kind of follow the Amel philosophy of building very high quality, heavy boats that are absolutely bombproof. None of that dual helm, dual rudder silliness that is awesome, until you hit a whale and rip one of the rudders off and sink.
I love Amel's for the build quality, functionality, and all of the features that are shared among models over the years. My 'preference' ends with the the Amel 54. Starting with the 55 and all newer models they have gone with cold, clinical, 'Ikea" type interiors that virtually all other European boat builders are doing as well. 'Bright' interiors seem to be in vogue over the traditional Mahogany, Teak, and similar varnished hardwood interiors that they now call 'dark caves'. I hate the IKEA look, I think the darker hardwoods far better represent the traditional or legacy hardwood interiors of yachting history. Too dark? Add some lighting, its that easy.
Hi Luke, I have one of the traditional boat interiors and yes it's like a dark cave and I hate it, I would really love a more modern interior, I just can't afford one. I have fitted very bright lights but the dark wood just make it feel small. I have even gone to the expense of recovering all the sift furnishings with light grey coverings, better but the dark wood dominates. So sorry, from years with dark wood, I do not agree with you, give me light.
@@johnhayford5946 my post was more in favor of the dark, traditional wood interiors. To each his own... There re some creative ways to brighten up an interior that are very cost effective. What boat do you have?
You're 100% right about Brian and the Amel. The guy can fix, or has fixed everything on that Delos, and added some pretty crazy stuff since this video aired. It's as if the boat speaks to him sometimes. It's pretty cool to see.
Truly. DELOS continues to amaze. Sure Brian is an miracle worker in sailing, maintaining and repairing the yacht, but then when you look at all the toys and accommodations he has made on board it blows my mind ....every time you turn around they've got another water sport to play. This guy will be written up in the sailing books for decades to come.
I would never compare an Amel to a Beneteau, and definitly not to a Bavaria... Amel is Premium/semi bespoke/small production (as BMW, Mercedes, Cadillac), Beneteau is mass production (as Toyota, Volkswagen) and Bavaria is budget caravan. Compare Amel to Hallberg Rassy, Contest, Southerly. Compare Beneteau to Jeanneau, Hanse, Elan. Compare Bavaria to your bathtub.
It's an interesting topic, but I think a bit of sailors Utopian ideology of what is a blue water sailing yacht. Just as every SUV commercial shows young adventurous types driving up an off road mountain pass to go hang gliding or something, the only off roading 99% of them will see is when a soccer mom clips the curb going into a grocery store parking lot, even if the SUV can handle more. The boats are labelled blue water SV's, but the buyers are mostly weekend/coastal sailors, and they want air conditioning and a wine refrigerator. And they can afford to fix it. Amel needs to sell so many boats a year to exist, right, and there are just not enough buyers that can afford brand new million dollar boats to cross oceans with a roll of duct tape to visit remote tribes. Why, because they are working a day job to make that kind of money. That's the cruel irony between reality and dreaming. So they aren't really building 'exploration' blue water yachts, they are building Land Rovers on water. Capable, but a lot of bells and whistles, because it sells. And that's fine too, as Amel still exists because they are selling, even if they don't remain true to the perfect ocean crossing Utopian stripped down vessel.
Excellent review! Cool thing is there are many systems that have a manual backup if electronics fail. Also Amel I believe spend a whole week with you at sea to help get you familiarized with your new boat. From what I have seen Halberg Rassy is even more of a maintenance challenge technically than Amel. Would be great to compare standard jobs side by side. I think in addition to safety, Amel could shine even more if it would also be known for outstanding quality like a Toyota. This would give the brand an extra boost over many others. No doubt still an iconic brand, I just love some of the thinking behind many features. Thank you for sharing, stay safe n healthy!
I prefer ketches . Purely for looks . They just look nicer especially gaff rigged . Do one on sirias . That ds 40 is my favourite boat I have ever seen. It's a 40ft that dries out with the best layout ever . If had £600k I'd live on a ds 40. If had £6 Millon I'd still live on a ds 40. That things perfection. But maybe I'm biased . To me a fin keel is a useless boat . Pay at least £400 a month for a deep morning probably nowhere near where you want it . Then what go out sail around in circles and go back to the same man made dock . Can't explore on it . What you gonna do anchor a mile out and row in . Then drag your tender a mile down the beach because the tides gone out . Got to pay for a lift out to check anything . Just no fuck that I want to go into the unlimited free moorings nature provides for a bilge keel . Does my head in searching for a boat trying to filter all the fin keels 🙄.
I love the possibility of dry out. Fancied lifing keels or centerboard but am a bit taken aback by commens on their poor upwind performance. Tradeoffs. All the time.
I'm curious about what you think of the cockpit. To me, it seems larger, safer at sea, and more usable because of the helm placement. What are your thoughts?
Beneteau and Bavaria are not in the same market. Neither in the same price range. Both are so-called light cruisers and the pay is about half to two thirds to buy. Amel is a center cockpit, ocean-going heavy cruiser, and with a price that reflects it. By the way, I've seen a Halberg Rassy doing maintenance. ...Would you guess? It had all those motors you mentioned, plus other things. Oysters have hydraulics, and all of the have masts, booms, stays, shroud anchors, winches, winch motors, main motors, generators, batteries, etc. etc. etc., and all of them can fail.
Nice look at Amel. I've enjoyed the history overviews you're doing. I love learning about why these boats are the way they are. Not that I'll ever be in the market for an Amel, but it's still cool to know.
Great video Tim. I do share the same opinion in many aspects, being the automation one of those, however, as you also mentioned, those creature comforts make indeed cruising life more enjoyable (when everything is working fine). However, mentioning Amel and Beneteau in the same video, in the way you did, seems to me it doesn't make sense. They are produced for different markets, and therefore you are really compare apples and oranges which are not comparable. There are however, many other brands you could use instead like, Garcia, Oyster, Najad, etc. which in my perspective are playing in the same league. BTW... congrats on your great achievement of 20k subs.
Hey thanks. I put Bene and Amel in the same area because they cruise together in the same places by the same people. And Bene makes a great reference because everyone knows what it is.
Sounds like Armels are more the Citroën DS then Landrovers of boats. A lot of very clever solutions making sailing nice and comfortable. But you have to accept that it take 4 hours to disassemble and reassemble the rails of the directional headlights just to change the spark plugs 😉 😂
Just watched this old vid, made me laugh a little: - Beneteau is a Cadillac?? No way! Dutch-built Contest is a Cadillac, while Beneteau is more of a VW... Amels are as French as Citroens, with all good and bad that comes with it (Citroen owners will know what I mean), all of the mass market Dufours and Janneaus are as pretty yet mechanically mediocre and disposable as Peugeot, and just like Peugeot do not hold any lasting value. Oysters are as 'stiff upper lip' and as cultish as Rollses, while Rustlers are as classy and quintesentially British as Bentley, Grand Soleil are as sporty abd as impractical as a sporty Maserati cabrio- a summer time toy at best while Wally's and SW and Vismara and Persico are the Ferraris of the seas... funny but these automotive analogies actually work- that is if you get them right! Perhaps you have not lived on the shore long enough or recently enough to get them right?? Cheers!
Congratulations on 20k. Great job on the Amel ( my favorite boat to buy if I win the lotto). I know that it’s a complicated boat but the quality of the components and parts are beyond any. They seem to have lots of backups and like you said unique systems.
After having followed the DELOS saga... I have to disagree with you. Brian would be the PERFECT captain on ANY boat! His demeanor, his style, his cool headedness... Not much fazes him. Sure, the videos have the "saltier" stuff cut out. But look at some of the other characters... Brian is SO COOL! And Brady... such a wonderful complement to him when they were together. Thanks for this review. I am watching about a dozen sailing channels right now. I may SUB you, I may not.
Great piece. What would be a simpler, well design boat, fast but seaworthy but with lighter tech? Initial cost is not really an issue but I do not like to be dependent on others.
A view from the UK. Interesting to see not all dinosaurs are dead. Keep up big boy, we've invented elektrickery years ago. The quality and reliability of this new fangled devices is really very advanced. No, honestly. Little tip, don't take other peoples' cliches as your sole motivation to life. Go simple, go now, perleeese.
Great episode. Enjoyed your take on what seems so familiar as a long time Delos follower. You pretty much define "constructive" criticism, which always seems very fair and well thought out. Brian is definitely a special case when it comes to maintainence. I think Johan on Ran Sailing is the nearest to him. But putting 90 sea miles under the keel in 10 years is a great testament to Amel. Congrats on your first 20k, now let's work on the next 20.
All the electric winches and furlers can be operated manually if they pack up. Thats part of the amel brilliance. Carry a replacement motor for a winch and one for the furler and you're set. Operate manually untill you can replace and then have another replacement sent ahead to a future port, no big deal. I used to tell Larry Pardy, when all the conveniences quit on my boat, "I'll be be just like you Larry" and still cruising, lol. You learn to fix stuff as you go, no big deal. You just need to realize & go with the foreknowledge that if you are going to cruise for 5 years or longer, everything on you boat (with the possible exception of a good diesel engine) will either break or wear out. Go with that knowledge, expect it, prepare for it and enjoy the journey. Otherwise either don't go or be prepared for alot of disappiontment!
I’ve had to come back to this video but I must say the one think I really don’t like about the Amel SM in my price range is and Sentorin is the two small heads ! For the money I want a separate shower cubicle or a bigger shower area I wonder if any owners have made this happen and how ? Does anyone know?
You're not in this area I don't think, but I just read a news release that said a Japanese freighter just lost 1900 shipping containers overboard near Hawaii in the Pacific. They said the containers are drifting in all directions. Please notify any yachties you know of that are in the Pacific.
no ford was able to make faster production because he bought a innovention from a swede messure johnsson messure block so he got same part same messurement so dont lie.before that ever tmodel ford was diffent size so with out messure johnsson the industrial woulden not be what it is today ford mayby invented some thing for speed up the process like the line assemble but it was a swede who was the man speed up it and change the world forever in the industri
Just found your channel. I am retired at 56 and looking to buy a Amel 54. I know very little about sailing and nothing about engineering. So I guess I’ll have a huge repair bill twice a year. But looking forward to my travels starting this Oct/Nov. Thanks Delos for getting me out of my comfort zone and selling everything I own except some clothes and my credit card.
Brian from Delos has said if he had it to do over he would buy a stripped down boat that had no luxury... all functional. He has also looked into building an aluminum boat to go Arctic.
@@Anmeteor9663 ya, I agree with you. I also think the majority of boats that size have similar mechanical systems. Also, Brian does almost all of the maintenance himself.
Hi there. Once Mr. Amel was face with a question from a customer during a factory visit. “why dont you put a small hook in the companionway stairs to attach the oilies when not needed?”. Amel in his typical arrogance replied: “if that hook was necessary, we would have installed it decades ago”. That reply to a potential buyer tells a lot about Amel. Best regards, Silvano
No, that’s typical French arrogance. I love the Amel 60, but if I was thinking of buying one and got that answer, well, they could stick their boat where the sun doesn’t shine…
I agree with all you said, yet... I used to be a Lyn and Larry fan, I own a small, sturdy, seaworthy boat... after 20 years I'm fed up of small boats!! Lyn and Larry were good at pointing out the downsides of big boats but avoided to tell the downsides of small boats (under 35 ft). I'm really annoyed with the lack of space, both for living and for storage. I cannot think how they could sail long passages in that small boat. All the available space in my boat is crammed with things and when I have to look for something I need I'ts a nightmare! No, give me an Amel!!! (:-) Well, let's be honest, it's all just a matter of money: if you want to sail comfortably you need a lot of money. When you are young you are more willing to face disconfort and sacrifice, but at older age you need to feel comfortable.
I believe that you have found an interesting subject matter that I don't see much of on TH-cam, "affordable sailboats and their history". Other channels have reviewed new million dollar plus cruisers that most of use cannot afford. However, many of us can afford the boats that you reviewed and I think that is what makes this so interesting for me. With that said, I would like to see a review on Tartan sailboats. Fantastic review and congrats on 20k subs!!
I like James Balwin's approach. atomvoyages.com He sailed around the world twice on a simply outfitted Pearson Triton 28, the first time without even an engine, opting for a yuloh sculling oar instead. He has since refit the boat twice, with a tilt up lazarette-mounted outboard motor, two small tilting solar panels, integral water tanks, a rain catchment system, gimbaled kerosene stove, Lavac head, simple wiring, and several other innovative upgrades. All virtually maintenance-free.
IMHO you do an excellent job researching a topic before you make your video (and that is why people love your channel). What are your thoughts on solid fiberglass versus balsa core fiberglass? Today, aren't some sailboats still made with solid fiberglass? Which companies still use solid fiberglass? Why?
You keep saying Beneteau is the Cadillac of cruisers. I though Jeanneau was a cut above Beneteau. That being said, I’d say Hunter was the Cadillac and Beneteau is the Lexus. Jeanneau is maybe the better handling Mercedes.
Company Policy: These are the boats for rich men over 50 who like to sleep with young women and engage relations with them. Ce sont des bateaux pour hommes riches de plus de 50 ans qui aiment coucher avec des jeunes femmes et avoir des relations avec elles.
in other words, they have no problem. Only wealthy owners , or really intelligent ones. And we know how difficult it is to find those two characteristics in one person... Great ships imo.
Beautiful boats with lots of good stuff on them. Really love the older boats with that flame mahogany interior. If I were contemplating ocean sailing I'd have to seriously consider one. Thanks for all the good info on Amel, one of the best!
Engaging content and very well presented. Not a cool, awesome, really really excited, stoked, or an epic in the whole video. At last, a sailing channel without following the herd of ridiculous exaggeration.
I am not him, but since I saw your q: - 1) many consider current one-masted Amels like 50 & 60 not true Amels as all of the hard-won ocean-going "knowhow" was lost after Amel 54, which was the last Amel made when Henri was still involved with the firm... So, no Amel 50. And between Kraken & Rassy, Kraken is (much) safer because it has a skeg-mounted steering and integrally-molded keel, while Rassy is simply prettier... With Chinese-made Krakens you also get more 'bang for your buck': - if Krakens were made in Sweden, they would have cost twice the price of Rassy... Cheers!
The answer to the "walk on by" scenario is simple if you are talking about Amel boats post Henri's passing; the new management have designed boats that are targeted at the up-market Med marina-hoppers...and just as expensive. Take the new 50 or 60, or even the older 55 & 64 for instance. There is no space for spares & workshop area, yet there's 3 double berths w/3 heads, with a master cabin that you could swing a giraffe in by the neck, & bugger all space for activity-based equipment/toys. The only blue water that they'll ever likely see is the Med and the Bay of Biscay. But hey, I would buy a 60 or 64 tomorrow if I could justify the price, plus the additional cost of a refit to convert it into a true world cruiser because I just love 'em, and I wouldn't want to have to do what Sailing Aquarius does, repairing winches etc on the cockpit table.
There are so many great sailing stories nowadays. I'm old enough to remember when the only stories you could get were in Sail and other like publications. So great to see it all happening now. Sailing Uma. Sailing Soulianis, The OKelly's.....Great channels. And your's sir.....just discovered and sub'd.
The thing about the Super Maramu is that it has a following, and doubly so due to Delos. If you're looking at buying a boat, and you love one with a following, there's probably one to be had for a LOT less that doesn't have a following. (Which is part of why I have a Hughes 40 -- no following.) Even within the same manufacturer, the dynamic can manifest: for example, the Allied Seawind has a following -- especially the Mark II -- but the larger Seabreeze and XL 42 don't, and can actually be cheaper than a Seawind in comparable condition.
HEY Tim, was great to see the breakdown, not sure if you got my message on your live chat yesterday. What is your opinion on the Macgregor 26 for the great lakes, and also the new Troublemaker 9500, that learning the lines posted the other day, would like more info on the boat, as there is not much on the web about it. Thanks Tim
Hey hey. Macgregor is love it or hate it I find. The people who own them seem to like them but I have never been on one sadly. There is one at my club however and I am really looking forward to doing an episode on them soon and hopefully sailing on it!
Great breakdown as always showing the history of the boat along with function of the boat. I thought that was great insight of matching the type of boat to the captain. Watching these boat owners you really see some captains have much better mechanical skills and Brian surely does for sure.
Completely agree with this review. I've recently purchased an Amel 54 having sailed both it and a SM2000. As an engineer, the complexity keeps me engaged. It may not be the best fit for everyone but we're fortunate that we have options.
You are about the complexity of the Amel. Viva Montessier! A sturdy simple sailboat he had and travel pass the Horn twice...Forget about the Amel if you are crusing around the world. And SV Delos captain is a super clever guy! He can fix anything...
Referring to a Beneteau to a Cadillac is dubious at best. Don't get me wrong, I really appreciate the Oceanis for the price point, but its a bit heavy on the plastics / budget production of boats. Amel, albeit complex, is far more compelling and in a league of its own in blue water pedigree.
I would be interested in an old school Amel; NOT the new ones for 2 reasons. Bolt on hulls,,Absolute no-no in a blue water cruiser, and also unprotected blade rudders..Also a firm no!
there is another channel doing boat reviews. He mentioned that flat transoms make for poor downwind sailing (more rollie or something)...any thoughts? He was reviewing the Rassie 50 -
Iv been back to this opposite a few times now and for good reason every time I think I’ll sell up soon and get an Amel Sentorin just because I think it’s a bit less complex than the Super Maramu it’s still complex and to be honest every u tube channel where they own an Amel is of the owner doing an engineering repair of some sort so yes I think I’m leaning towards different boats . I love the way this channel helps us all deliberate this MADNESS that goes around in my mind anyway. It’s such a big decision right ! Once I’ve sold up done most of my money it’s too late to change my mind on the boat . I’ll need to go.
The question I always ask myself looking at these boats, what do I do if I'm alone and underway in heavy seas? Crewmembers can get injured, are occupied with possibly small children, get seasick or otherwise incapacitated. Suddenly the "complexity" of all electric sailing with push-buttons at the helm sounds more like "simplicity". And for most essential systems like watermaker or the engine, the engineroom is a definite selling point. Having easy access to all the bits and pieces and be able to do actual work on them is invaluable.
She's a systems heavy boat, no question. Can you sail around the world on something much more austere? Sure, but not everyone wants to do a circumnavigation in the nautical equivalent of a Honda. As for ongoing maintenance and repairs? Those are just line items.
The Amels appear to have a great reputation, but, what about comfort. I don't mean the comfort of the layout or cushions but how the boats sit in the water. The Amels, and in particular, the 54 have a low Confort Factor. This should translate into a "lively" boat. So, when there is a little bit of swell coming into the anchorage do the Amels sit there like comfortable boats or are they amongst the first to start doing a lively dance? The stats would indicate the latter but wat does experience show? I am all in favour of a sloid glass boat or even a foam core. However, having had to repair balsa core decks, I cannot understand anyone buying a boat with a balsa core hull! This includes Beneteau and Oyster.
Our electric furlers are all working just fine at 27 years old. Also an Amel Super Maramu is around $200000 you would get a Amel 54 for less than $500000.
I have been sailing over 40 years, living full time onboard for 6 years. Lived and sailed on Jenneau etc, they are definitely not luxury compared to even a much older Super Maramu. The SM is far more comfortable to liv and sail on. On our Jenneau we arrived from multi day passages tired, often cold, wet etc. On the SM we arrive refreshed, warm, dry, showered not smelling etc.
OK there is more maintenance but due to more systems. You add water maker, generator, dishwasher, washing machine, air conditioning etc to any boat you increase maintenance. Benefit to Amel is they are high quality and factory fitted. If you don’t use them then fine. We removed dishwasher, make room for beer cooler and ice maker. Our air conditioning didn’t work in aft cabin so removed it.
For a boat that size to sail single handed, as designed for a couple to sail the world, so while one sleeps the other is single handed, you need electric winches and furling etc. However there is manual backup for everything. All I can say if if we ever change boat again, it will be for another Amel never sail ‘ live on anything else now.
I am so happy for you you found something that works for YOU.... to bad it took 40years is all wish you best of luck. keep rule number 1 in play keep water out.
@@c.a.mcneil7599 mate didn’t taken 40 years to find it…… It took 40 years before I could afford it and take the time off from work life to go enjoy it. 🤣😂👍⛵️
Thanks for your comment. I am working with the dream of acquiring one in the future (Discovery, Garcia, OVNI are also on my wish list. Tough choices). Just need the kids to be done with college. :-) Enjoy the adventures!
I agree entirely....we have owned our Super Maramu for 13 years now, sailed over 40,000 nm in the Pacific and have had ZERO problems with electric motors. They are NOT an issue.
The major advantages of AMEL are the SOLID construction, easily handed sails and the totally protected helm position.
The maintenance issues are reallty no different to other boats of the same size...mostly pumps, heads, running rigging, antifoul....but the difference in comfort is immeasurable.
You cannot know how good it is until you have sailed on one.
I wouldn't have anything else.
Wow I’m glad I looked at these comments. I got scared of the SM because of the systems but then decided the Sentorin was the one for me now you have helped me . I’ve been part of the owner group about five years now I follow everything people fix on the boats I actually feel now I’m ready for one .
If anyone with an Amel is ever in the uk please can I come sailing with you ? I’ll help with maintenance which I’d actually really enjoy and I can fix shit I’m good at fixing stuff.
First boat owner, not mechanically minded, nor electrical - bought a boat - spent 6 weeks fitting-out, and then took off for the blue water - been cruising and living aboard since, all waters, all weather. Sure, adopted the Pardeys ethos - creating the unbreakable boat - so we do carry a few spares (but no more than any other remote-area cruiser wanting a degree of self-sufficiency) - and we do need to spend 4-6 weeks a year pausing for repairs and maintenance, but this is no different from any other blue-water cruiser who is out there and doing it.
I find that there are no more breakages on average than other makes, but the access for R&M is far better thought out, so less daunting. Maintenance is more likely to be done, repairs not a challenge (apart from the steep learning curve - but that would be the same for any first-boat owner on any make).
It is not so much systems complexity - the systems (design & implementation) are straightforward - but the number of systems does add up. But there is a price to pay for comfort, and redundancy. One fridge/freezer fails - we have another (not that a single one has failed, yet, touch wood).
Yes, you guessed it, happy AMEL owner (4 years on) ...
Can we afford it? Probably not, but we worked long & hard, you only live once, and all that stuff .
Comparing Amel to Beneteau is like comparing Mercedes/BMW to Fiat/Chevrolet. There is no comparison at all. You will understand this if you sail long distance on both of these boat brands. They are completely different boats, built for completely different purpose.
More like a KIA than chevy
@@dimatchat1335 well modern chevy is shit so.
Indeed but they remain a plastic boat
@@KoDeMondo you mean like 90+% of all sailboats since the 1970's?
Well I would put my 1981 GMC 1/2 ton up against anything when it comes to built to last and easy to maintain , so your right there is no comparison , you can buy 1 GMC keep it for life had mine 44 years or try to fix a mercedes/bmw/fiat
It’s only complicated if you do not understand the systems. They are actually quite simple. As an owner they built to be serviceable anywhere in the the world. I can still get parts after 30 years. They are rugged. Most owners work on their boats. Henri’s philosophy was keep it simple, which they are, if you know what your looking at. The AMEL FORUM provides a robust base for repairs and the factory still provides all owners support. Innovations are a hallmark of AMEL.
I think you should have done research before knocking the brand.
Don't know which video you looked at, I have not seen any knocking here. And Amels having multiple complex systems is not a question of opinion. Seeing it demanding or not is personal, has not much to do with research.
...the ketch doesn't sail better when it's all set up, it just gives smaller pieces of canvass to handle, and two masts. So more Safety. (...and a ketch is more beautiful). I agree with your summary.
Thanks for a very interesting review of the Amels, and the history of Henri Amel.
A couple of comments from a happy Super Maramu owner:-
My understanding of the design aims was for a boat which would allow two people to safely and comfortably sail around the world.
Flowing from this were several design decisions including:-
- a ketch rig so that individual sails were smaller and easier to handle
- furling motors so that most sail trim could be done without leaving the cockpit
- manual backup for motorised sail furling
- duplicated autopilot systems
- 4 watertight bulkheads
- adequate handholds for safety in a seaway rather than an open-plan design.
It’s true that these boats are expensive (mine had three previous owners), but it is well supported by the factory, but not , as you say, a minimalist design.
Thanks again for the interesting review
Andrew (s/v Sueno Azul, SM#39)
Missed discussing the safety features of the Amel which is the 5 waterproof bulkheads which make an Amel practically impossible to sink. It seems the a little trite to not mention the best parts of Amel.
GREAT POINTS MADE! Simplicity of upkeep is important too...
I really loved this video. It sort of reinforced my pre-cruising approach. Right now, I'm working on my own house renovations and doing almost all the work on both of my cars mechanically. I'm pushing the boundaries on my own competence and forcing myself to dive head first into projects I've not done. Watching Brian on Delos all these years has made me realize the value in being your own mechanic, refrigeration tech and shipwright. I aspire to walk in similar shoes.
Good point - it actually takes more determination to do this on land bc on the sea you have no choice. Inspiring, will attempt something similar. Thanks.
Techs do all of this electrical repair. Jump in.
My dad taught me most of it. Just have to learn a little more about refrigeration.
More complicated than other luxury cruising yachts? Seems pretty similar to an Oyster, Contest or Discovery to me.
Would like to hear your thoughts on Kraken?
They kind of follow the Amel philosophy of building very high quality, heavy boats that are absolutely bombproof. None of that dual helm, dual rudder silliness that is awesome, until you hit a whale and rip one of the rudders off and sink.
I would not call it a Land Rover. Because land rovers are unreliable may call it the unimog or land cruiser or Jeep of the sailboat world.
What's wrong with Amel? Not a god damned thing. I clicked to just bitch at your title. Thank you for making a righteous video.
Well done sir. Classy comments on Delos too.
I love Amel's for the build quality, functionality, and all of the features that are shared among models over the years. My 'preference' ends with the the Amel 54. Starting with the 55 and all newer models they have gone with cold, clinical, 'Ikea" type interiors that virtually all other European boat builders are doing as well. 'Bright' interiors seem to be in vogue over the traditional Mahogany, Teak, and similar varnished hardwood interiors that they now call 'dark caves'. I hate the IKEA look, I think the darker hardwoods far better represent the traditional or legacy hardwood interiors of yachting history. Too dark? Add some lighting, its that easy.
Hi Luke, I have one of the traditional boat interiors and yes it's like a dark cave and I hate it, I would really love a more modern interior, I just can't afford one. I have fitted very bright lights but the dark wood just make it feel small. I have even gone to the expense of recovering all the sift furnishings with light grey coverings, better but the dark wood dominates.
So sorry, from years with dark wood, I do not agree with you, give me light.
@@johnhayford5946 my post was more in favor of the dark, traditional wood interiors. To each his own... There re some creative ways to brighten up an interior that are very cost effective. What boat do you have?
@@SteelDoesMyWill Waquiez 41, brighter than usual as a proper deck Salon, we used to own a Cat so a view was essential.
All fashions go round
I hate people who think all modern design is the same as ikea design...ikea produces cheap imitations of modern design, not the other way around.
You're 100% right about Brian and the Amel. The guy can fix, or has fixed everything on that Delos, and added some pretty crazy stuff since this video aired. It's as if the boat speaks to him sometimes. It's pretty cool to see.
Truly. DELOS continues to amaze. Sure Brian is an miracle worker in sailing, maintaining and repairing the yacht, but then when you look at all the toys and accommodations he has made on board it blows my mind ....every time you turn around they've got another water sport to play. This guy will be written up in the sailing books for decades to come.
I would never compare an Amel to a Beneteau, and definitly not to a Bavaria... Amel is Premium/semi bespoke/small production (as BMW, Mercedes, Cadillac), Beneteau is mass production (as Toyota, Volkswagen) and Bavaria is budget caravan.
Compare Amel to Hallberg Rassy, Contest, Southerly.
Compare Beneteau to Jeanneau, Hanse, Elan.
Compare Bavaria to your bathtub.
Citroen to Beneteau.
It's an interesting topic, but I think a bit of sailors Utopian ideology of what is a blue water sailing yacht. Just as every SUV commercial shows young adventurous types driving up an off road mountain pass to go hang gliding or something, the only off roading 99% of them will see is when a soccer mom clips the curb going into a grocery store parking lot, even if the SUV can handle more. The boats are labelled blue water SV's, but the buyers are mostly weekend/coastal sailors, and they want air conditioning and a wine refrigerator. And they can afford to fix it.
Amel needs to sell so many boats a year to exist, right, and there are just not enough buyers that can afford brand new million dollar boats to cross oceans with a roll of duct tape to visit remote tribes. Why, because they are working a day job to make that kind of money. That's the cruel irony between reality and dreaming.
So they aren't really building 'exploration' blue water yachts, they are building Land Rovers on water. Capable, but a lot of bells and whistles, because it sells. And that's fine too, as Amel still exists because they are selling, even if they don't remain true to the perfect ocean crossing Utopian stripped down vessel.
Excellent review! Cool thing is there are many systems that have a manual backup if electronics fail. Also Amel I believe spend a whole week with you at sea to help get you familiarized with your new boat. From what I have seen Halberg Rassy is even more of a maintenance challenge technically than Amel. Would be great to compare standard jobs side by side. I think in addition to safety, Amel could shine even more if it would also be known for outstanding quality like a Toyota. This would give the brand an extra boost over many others. No doubt still an iconic brand, I just love some of the thinking behind many features. Thank you for sharing, stay safe n healthy!
I prefer ketches . Purely for looks . They just look nicer especially gaff rigged .
Do one on sirias . That ds 40 is my favourite boat I have ever seen. It's a 40ft that dries out with the best layout ever .
If had £600k I'd live on a ds 40. If had £6 Millon I'd still live on a ds 40. That things perfection.
But maybe I'm biased . To me a fin keel is a useless boat . Pay at least £400 a month for a deep morning probably nowhere near where you want it . Then what go out sail around in circles and go back to the same man made dock . Can't explore on it . What you gonna do anchor a mile out and row in . Then drag your tender a mile down the beach because the tides gone out . Got to pay for a lift out to check anything . Just no fuck that I want to go into the unlimited free moorings nature provides for a bilge keel . Does my head in searching for a boat trying to filter all the fin keels 🙄.
I love the possibility of dry out. Fancied lifing keels or centerboard but am a bit taken aback by commens on their poor upwind performance. Tradeoffs. All the time.
I'm curious about what you think of the cockpit. To me, it seems larger, safer at sea, and more usable because of the helm placement. What are your thoughts?
Large, open cockpits are actually not as safe at sea. There are more ways to fall longer distances.
@@RealInRealEstateCC The safety of an fully protected Amel-Midschip-Cockpit is unbeatable.
@@Bauchfalte That’s fine. Go buy an Amel. You can beat anything. Everything is a trade off.
Beneteau and Bavaria are not in the same market. Neither in the same price range. Both are so-called light cruisers and the pay is about half to two thirds to buy. Amel is a center cockpit, ocean-going heavy cruiser, and with a price that reflects it.
By the way, I've seen a Halberg Rassy doing maintenance. ...Would you guess? It had all those motors you mentioned, plus other things. Oysters have hydraulics, and all of the have masts, booms, stays, shroud anchors, winches, winch motors, main motors, generators, batteries, etc. etc. etc., and all of them can fail.
20K! Nice!
We can sell our house and buy an Amel but would not have any money left over for repairs!
Benetteau a Cadillac? Ho ho! Really?
Too bad it’s not aluminum- I would hate to be hit by a whale. Thoughts?
Nice look at Amel. I've enjoyed the history overviews you're doing. I love learning about why these boats are the way they are. Not that I'll ever be in the market for an Amel, but it's still cool to know.
1:25 Not a "renaissance fighter"; but a "resistance fighter".
Great video Tim. I do share the same opinion in many aspects, being the automation one of those, however, as you also mentioned, those creature comforts make indeed cruising life more enjoyable (when everything is working fine). However, mentioning Amel and Beneteau in the same video, in the way you did, seems to me it doesn't make sense. They are produced for different markets, and therefore you are really compare apples and oranges which are not comparable. There are however, many other brands you could use instead like, Garcia, Oyster, Najad, etc. which in my perspective are playing in the same league.
BTW... congrats on your great achievement of 20k subs.
Hey thanks. I put Bene and Amel in the same area because they cruise together in the same places by the same people. And Bene makes a great reference because everyone knows what it is.
Sounds like Armels are more the Citroën DS then Landrovers of boats. A lot of very clever solutions making sailing nice and comfortable. But you have to accept that it take 4 hours to disassemble and reassemble the rails of the directional headlights just to change the spark plugs 😉 😂
New subscriber here - I dig your perspective and how you convey it. You’re spot on about Brian and his Amel. It’s an intriguing relationship.
Could you do a video on Allure Yachts
Just watched this old vid, made me laugh a little: - Beneteau is a Cadillac?? No way! Dutch-built Contest is a Cadillac, while Beneteau is more of a VW...
Amels are as French as Citroens, with all good and bad that comes with it (Citroen owners will know what I mean), all of the mass market Dufours and Janneaus are as pretty yet mechanically mediocre and disposable as Peugeot, and just like Peugeot do not hold any lasting value. Oysters are as 'stiff upper lip' and as cultish as Rollses, while Rustlers are as classy and quintesentially British as Bentley, Grand Soleil are as sporty abd as impractical as a sporty Maserati cabrio- a summer time toy at best while Wally's and SW and Vismara and Persico are the Ferraris of the seas... funny but these automotive analogies actually work- that is if you get them right! Perhaps you have not lived on the shore long enough or recently enough to get them right?? Cheers!
Five years from now boat show sailboat builders will build in three helms.
I would like a helm station in the owners cabin. Good idea
Congratulations on 20k. Great job on the Amel ( my favorite boat to buy if I win the lotto). I know that it’s a complicated boat but the quality of the components and parts are beyond any. They seem to have lots of backups and like you said unique systems.
After having followed the DELOS saga... I have to disagree with you. Brian would be the PERFECT captain on ANY boat! His demeanor, his style, his cool headedness... Not much fazes him. Sure, the videos have the "saltier" stuff cut out. But look at some of the other characters... Brian is SO COOL! And Brady... such a wonderful complement to him when they were together.
Thanks for this review. I am watching about a dozen sailing channels right now. I may SUB you, I may not.
Great piece. What would be a simpler, well design boat, fast but seaworthy but with lighter tech? Initial cost is not really an issue but I do not like to be dependent on others.
Bestevaer 2 is for sale.
You have to be clever like Brian.
A view from the UK. Interesting to see not all dinosaurs are dead. Keep up big boy, we've invented elektrickery years ago. The quality and reliability of this new fangled devices is really very advanced. No, honestly. Little tip, don't take other peoples' cliches as your sole motivation to life. Go simple, go now, perleeese.
Great episode. Enjoyed your take on what seems so familiar as a long time Delos follower. You pretty much define "constructive" criticism, which always seems very fair and well thought out. Brian is definitely a special case when it comes to maintainence. I think Johan on Ran Sailing is the nearest to him. But putting 90 sea miles under the keel in 10 years is a great testament to Amel. Congrats on your first 20k, now let's work on the next 20.
That's a really odd looking cabin you're in - looks almost like a regular house. ;)
All the electric winches and furlers can be operated manually if they pack up. Thats part of the amel brilliance. Carry a replacement motor for a winch and one for the furler and you're set. Operate manually untill you can replace and then have another replacement sent ahead to a future port, no big deal. I used to tell Larry Pardy, when all the conveniences quit on my boat, "I'll be be just like you Larry" and still cruising, lol. You learn to fix stuff as you go, no big deal. You just need to realize & go with the foreknowledge that if you are going to cruise for 5 years or longer, everything on you boat (with the possible exception of a good diesel engine) will either break or wear out. Go with that knowledge, expect it, prepare for it and enjoy the journey. Otherwise either don't go or be prepared for alot of disappiontment!
If you can't afford the maintenance, you can't afford an Amel.
I’ve had to come back to this video but I must say the one think I really don’t like about the Amel SM in my price range is and Sentorin is the two
small heads ! For
the money I want a separate shower cubicle or a bigger shower area I wonder if any owners have made this happen and how ? Does anyone know?
You're not in this area I don't think, but I just read a news release that said a Japanese freighter just lost 1900 shipping containers overboard near Hawaii in the Pacific. They said the containers are drifting in all directions. Please notify any yachties you know of that are in the Pacific.
no ford was able to make faster production because he bought a innovention from a swede messure johnsson messure block so he got same part same messurement so dont lie.before that ever tmodel ford was diffent size so with out messure johnsson the industrial woulden not be what it is today ford mayby invented some thing for speed up the process like the line assemble but it was a swede who was the man speed up it and change the world forever in the industri
Thank you! If I had the money I would buy a kraken instead.
Beneteau v Amel? That’s crazy. I owned and lived on a Beneteau 461. A Beneteau is a Buick. An Amel is a Humvee.
It's funny. I would never call beneteau the luxurious cadillac company when the contender is Amel.
Just found your channel. I am retired at 56 and looking to buy a Amel 54. I know very little about sailing and nothing about engineering. So I guess I’ll have a huge repair bill twice a year. But looking forward to my travels starting this Oct/Nov.
Thanks Delos for getting me out of my comfort zone and selling everything I own except some clothes and my credit card.
Hows it going? The 54 is amazing
What’s wrong with amel? Nothing absolutely nothing, well besides the price…
Brian from Delos has said if he had it to do over he would buy a stripped down boat that had no luxury... all functional. He has also looked into building an aluminum boat to go Arctic.
Would be a great learning to see what boat would he build should he have his way around it.
Hr says this having not lived without the convenience and comfort of the Amel. The flip side of the maintenance equation
@@Anmeteor9663 ya, I agree with you. I also think the majority of boats that size have similar mechanical systems. Also, Brian does almost all of the maintenance himself.
Congrats on hitting 20K subscribers 👏!!! Well doon on the series you are doing!! Very informative! 😎⛵
Hi there. Once Mr. Amel was face with a question from a customer during a factory visit. “why dont you put a small hook in the companionway stairs to attach the oilies when not needed?”. Amel in his typical arrogance replied: “if that hook was necessary, we would have installed it decades ago”. That reply to a potential buyer tells a lot about Amel. Best regards, Silvano
No, that’s typical French arrogance. I love the Amel 60, but if I was thinking of buying one and got that answer, well, they could stick their boat where the sun doesn’t shine…
My dream boat is Amel 60! Guess our worlds are a little different!
I agree with all you said, yet... I used to be a Lyn and Larry fan, I own a small, sturdy, seaworthy boat... after 20 years I'm fed up of small boats!! Lyn and Larry were good at pointing out the downsides of big boats but avoided to tell the downsides of small boats (under 35 ft). I'm really annoyed with the lack of space, both for living and for storage. I cannot think how they could sail long passages in that small boat. All the available space in my boat is crammed with things and when I have to look for something I need I'ts a nightmare! No, give me an Amel!!! (:-)
Well, let's be honest, it's all just a matter of money: if you want to sail comfortably you need a lot of money. When you are young you are more willing to face disconfort and sacrifice, but at older age you need to feel comfortable.
I believe that you have found an interesting subject matter that I don't see much of on TH-cam, "affordable sailboats and their history". Other channels have reviewed new million dollar plus cruisers that most of use cannot afford. However, many of us can afford the boats that you reviewed and I think that is what makes this so interesting for me. With that said, I would like to see a review on Tartan sailboats.
Fantastic review and congrats on 20k subs!!
Agreed and subscribed. Thanks
I like James Balwin's approach. atomvoyages.com He sailed around the world twice on a simply outfitted Pearson Triton 28, the first time without even an engine, opting for a yuloh sculling oar instead. He has since refit the boat twice, with a tilt up lazarette-mounted outboard motor, two small tilting solar panels, integral water tanks, a rain catchment system, gimbaled kerosene stove, Lavac head, simple wiring, and several other innovative upgrades. All virtually maintenance-free.
If i could afford it , id buy anther Amel ! Brand new ! No hesitation !
I think Brian paid a little over 200 grand for Delos, not half a million. 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼
IMHO you do an excellent job researching a topic before you make your video (and that is why people love your channel). What are your thoughts on solid fiberglass versus balsa core fiberglass? Today, aren't some sailboats still made with solid fiberglass? Which companies still use solid fiberglass? Why?
Looking at a 1985 amel 53 now. After 30 years on my tayana 37.
I really do enjoy your content!
You keep saying Beneteau is the Cadillac of cruisers. I though Jeanneau was a cut above Beneteau. That being said, I’d say Hunter was the Cadillac and Beneteau is the Lexus. Jeanneau is maybe the better handling Mercedes.
Congratulations on hitting 20k. I can only hope some day we reach the same milestone. Well done!!!!!
Keep up the Amazing work.
Check out the Amel and what they say is wrong with this boat.
Company Policy: These are the boats for rich men over 50 who like to sleep with young women and engage relations with them.
Ce sont des bateaux pour hommes riches de plus de 50 ans qui aiment coucher avec des jeunes femmes et avoir des relations avec elles.
There is nothing wrong with Amel.
Is built to last.
Very interesting considerations.
in other words, they have no problem. Only wealthy owners , or really intelligent ones. And we know how difficult it is to find those two characteristics in one person... Great ships imo.
I wonder how you feel about halberg rassey designs?
Beautiful boats with lots of good stuff on them. Really love the older boats with that flame mahogany interior. If I were contemplating ocean sailing I'd have to seriously consider one. Thanks for all the good info on Amel, one of the best!
Engaging content and very well presented. Not a cool, awesome, really really excited, stoked, or an epic in the whole video. At last, a sailing channel without following the herd of ridiculous exaggeration.
AMEL 50 vs Kraken 50 vs Hallber Rassy 50? Come on - a real, objective opinion PLEASE!!!
I am not him, but since I saw your q: - 1) many consider current one-masted Amels like 50 & 60 not true Amels as all of the hard-won ocean-going "knowhow" was lost after Amel 54, which was the last Amel made when Henri was still involved with the firm... So, no Amel 50. And between Kraken & Rassy, Kraken is (much) safer because it has a skeg-mounted steering and integrally-molded keel, while Rassy is simply prettier... With Chinese-made Krakens you also get more 'bang for your buck': - if Krakens were made in Sweden, they would have cost twice the price of Rassy... Cheers!
The answer to the "walk on by" scenario is simple if you are talking about Amel boats post Henri's passing; the new management have designed boats that are targeted at the up-market Med marina-hoppers...and just as expensive. Take the new 50 or 60, or even the older 55 & 64 for instance. There is no space for spares & workshop area, yet there's 3 double berths w/3 heads, with a master cabin that you could swing a giraffe in by the neck, & bugger all space for activity-based equipment/toys. The only blue water that they'll ever likely see is the Med and the Bay of Biscay.
But hey, I would buy a 60 or 64 tomorrow if I could justify the price, plus the additional cost of a refit to convert it into a true world cruiser because I just love 'em, and I wouldn't want to have to do what Sailing Aquarius does, repairing winches etc on the cockpit table.
Please do an episode on Moody
There are so many great sailing stories nowadays. I'm old enough to remember when the only stories you could get were in Sail and other like publications. So great to see it all happening now. Sailing Uma. Sailing Soulianis, The OKelly's.....Great channels. And your's sir.....just discovered and sub'd.
The new AMEL 60 is just a beauty and a beast (pun intended) on a category of its own!!! It's THE ULTIMATE sailboat!
BUT - a sloop. Departing from the heritage.
That is a great video, really enjoyed :) Great thinking, i am fully with you. You won me for your channel with this.
Amel are the best especially the 54.
They talk about why they did dual rudder
The thing about the Super Maramu is that it has a following, and doubly so due to Delos. If you're looking at buying a boat, and you love one with a following, there's probably one to be had for a LOT less that doesn't have a following. (Which is part of why I have a Hughes 40 -- no following.) Even within the same manufacturer, the dynamic can manifest: for example, the Allied Seawind has a following -- especially the Mark II -- but the larger Seabreeze and XL 42 don't, and can actually be cheaper than a Seawind in comparable condition.
HEY Tim, was great to see the breakdown, not sure if you got my message on your live chat yesterday. What is your opinion on the Macgregor 26 for the great lakes, and also the new Troublemaker 9500, that learning the lines posted the other day, would like more info on the boat, as there is not much on the web about it.
Thanks Tim
Hey hey. Macgregor is love it or hate it I find. The people who own them seem to like them but I have never been on one sadly. There is one at my club however and I am really looking forward to doing an episode on them soon and hopefully sailing on it!
Great breakdown as always showing the history of the boat along with function of the boat. I thought that was great insight of matching the type of boat to the captain. Watching these boat owners you really see some captains have much better mechanical skills and Brian surely does for sure.
7:43 What the hell is that on the dock?
why quit building the 64 ?
Completely agree with this review. I've recently purchased an Amel 54 having sailed both it and a SM2000. As an engineer, the complexity keeps me engaged. It may not be the best fit for everyone but we're fortunate that we have options.
Congrats on 20K! This was another well done, professional pro/con + brand history lesson. Really enjoying the new "winter" episodes.
Is the Amel 64 still being built?
Mostly agree, but you just said Beneteau is the Cadillac of the boats? 🙄
Is said "If"
I’d love to hear what you think of the Garcia range.
You are about the complexity of the Amel. Viva Montessier! A sturdy simple sailboat he had and travel pass the Horn twice...Forget about the Amel if you are crusing around the world. And SV Delos captain is a super clever guy! He can fix anything...
Referring to a Beneteau to a Cadillac is dubious at best. Don't get me wrong, I really appreciate the Oceanis for the price point, but its a bit heavy on the plastics / budget production of boats. Amel, albeit complex, is far more compelling and in a league of its own in blue water pedigree.
I would be interested in an old school Amel; NOT the new ones for 2 reasons. Bolt on hulls,,Absolute no-no in a blue water cruiser, and also unprotected blade rudders..Also a firm no!
there is another channel doing boat reviews. He mentioned that flat transoms make for poor downwind sailing (more rollie or something)...any thoughts?
He was reviewing the Rassie 50 -
Iv been back to this opposite a few times now and for good reason every time I think I’ll sell up soon and get an Amel Sentorin just because I think it’s a bit less complex than the Super Maramu it’s still complex and to be honest every u tube channel where they own an Amel is of the owner doing an engineering repair of some sort so yes I think I’m leaning towards different boats . I love the way this channel helps us all deliberate this MADNESS that goes around in my mind anyway. It’s such a big decision right ! Once I’ve sold up done most of my money it’s too late to change my mind on the boat . I’ll need to go.
Its funny you say about the window in the bottom , i owned a Ex Hobart racing boat , called Phillips Foote Witchdoctor, it had that over the Prop
The question I always ask myself looking at these boats, what do I do if I'm alone and underway in heavy seas? Crewmembers can get injured, are occupied with possibly small children, get seasick or otherwise incapacitated. Suddenly the "complexity" of all electric sailing with push-buttons at the helm sounds more like "simplicity". And for most essential systems like watermaker or the engine, the engineroom is a definite selling point. Having easy access to all the bits and pieces and be able to do actual work on them is invaluable.
She's a systems heavy boat, no question. Can you sail around the world on something much more austere? Sure, but not everyone wants to do a circumnavigation in the nautical equivalent of a Honda. As for ongoing maintenance and repairs? Those are just line items.
Nahh, the line of the 54 is just sick! Extremely sleek and super beautiful.
The Amels appear to have a great reputation, but, what about comfort. I don't mean the comfort of the layout or cushions but how the boats sit in the water. The Amels, and in particular, the 54 have a low Confort Factor. This should translate into a "lively" boat. So, when there is a little bit of swell coming into the anchorage do the Amels sit there like comfortable boats or are they amongst the first to start doing a lively dance? The stats would indicate the latter but wat does experience show?
I am all in favour of a sloid glass boat or even a foam core. However, having had to repair balsa core decks, I cannot understand anyone buying a boat with a balsa core hull! This includes Beneteau and Oyster.