Nice review - thanks. Seems to me there is no clear cut definition for, or set of requirements to, earning the title "blue water sailboat". So in this light, how much of an ocean beating could these boats take? I know, a boat/ship is as seaworthy as its crew, but still. I was led to believe that e.g. Lloyd's had some seaworthiness tests like a 10 ft drop test that should have zero impact to structural integrity. Are you familiar with the Kraken story and boats - how do these two here compare with that?
@@jpdj2715 finally, there is no clear cut definition you are right there are ideals in what or how your sailboat is constructed. Yes, we do know of Kraken yachts and would love to be able to film one maybe in the near future;)
There are a few points on the Hallberg Rassy that would probably make my choice fall on the Amel. The twin helm station shortens the cockpit so that you can no longer sleep in it because the thighs are too short. But especially in such a well protected cockpit I want to be able to lie in in the harbor on hot nights in the south as well as at sea. The point of a twin helm station in a central cockpit does not make sense to me either. A single steering station would not have narrowed the sides of the cockpit so much. That my concerns make sense can be seen from the equally wonderful Najad 505. There they did it without the twin helm station, with the result that the central cockpit is huge compared to that of the Hallberg Rassy and at least two people can sleep comfortably in it when the night is too hot to go below deck. The helm station of the Amel, on the other hand, may be a no-go for the weekend sailor, but a bluewater-sailor has completely different requirements. I neither want to sit in the blazing sun all the time, nor let the wind cool me down or let myself dry out. Besides, I mostly sail on autopilot anyway. While on watch, I can make myself comfortable in the back of the Amel's cockpit and watch the waves go by. If I have still installed OSCAR on the boats, which I assume when buying a new ship with the price of these ships, I will only be behind the wheel for maneuvers on long voyages anyway. The solution of the cockpit layout is simply much more practical compared to that of the HR , which would be one of the most important decision criteria for me, as it is my main living space in practice. Behind the cockpit, the Amel also offers an area that can also be used as a sunbed. The Hallberg Rassy doesn't offer that either. I also don't like the Hallberg Rassy's mainsheet system. From my point of view, a traveler is indispensable for such a boat. But i think, this layout depends on the requirements of the owner of this particular HR. The front right cabin on the Hallberg Rassy has only one bed. I know this layout is modern. From my point of view this is a mistake. It is actually too narrow for two and at sea it offers only space for one person anyway. First of all, the double bunkbed of the Amel can actually be used by two people, and it creates two real seabeds. Finally, the Amel has an engine room that can be accessed from the outside and that combines all the technical devices that can cause noise in the ship in this room. At the Hallberg Rassy, the machine room can be entered in the classic way from one of the side aisles to the rear cabin. I doubt that this solution will be able to keep scents from the engine room away from the rest of the ship in the long term. My wife also hates lying near or on top of electrical and electronic equipment. The separate accommodation in the engine room of the Amel is therefore a further advantage. I don't think I have to write anything about the advantage of artificial teak over real teak. This is also a clear plus point of the Amel. For me, in conclusion, the Amel is the clearly more practical bluewatership. The HR maybe will be preferred by people, who reject the Amel simply because of the steering position. But if I live on my ship, the living space in the cockpit is more important than the question of where exactly I will be when I enter the port. Given this, the Oyster 495 will be no match for the Amel. It has a somewhat very unique steering position too, two steering wheels behind the cockpit practically on top of the deck. Apart from the fact that I would feel uncomfortable sitting so high in a rough sea, you are completely unprotected this way. The position therefore seems to me to be a no-go for long journeys.
Ok so we don't know where to start with your fantastic comment, thank you for taking the time to write such a well-detailed article on your pros and cons, some of which we agree with. I hope that our many subscribers will join in on the point's you have made so we can really see where passion wins over experience;)
@@atadoff62 Yes, when it comes to beauty, the Oyster might be slightly ahead. But what about sailing characteristics? The Oyster weighs 21 t and has a upwind sail area of only 115 m² with a furling mainsail. Even with a classic mainsail, which I would not choose because of the risk that reefing of sails this size would be hard work if the electric winch failed, it only has a sail area of 124 m². The Amel and the Hallberg Rassy weigh 21 t too, the Amel has 126 m² of sail area upwind, the Hallberg Rassy 131 m² and even 149 m² as a performance version. This says something about how this three boats will sail.
A friend would say: The purchase of a sailboat is always associated with compromises For me the Amel because of the cockpit I love it and because I don't like boats with 2 steering wheels. The hardtop is also directly a great place for solar as you can see in the video
As for me. A person who solo's a lot and sails with minium crew, the automation of the Amel is superior. The protective cockpit and ease of handling the trimming from the cockpit is very appealing to the Amel. Over all the Amel is the best choice for a Solo sailor.
Great review! Must say the HR interior finish is benchmark and those seats look v e r y comfy for long passage. However. I think the Amel has so many well thought through features - as you mentioned several water tight compartments, I believe still only one through hole, protected (and large) cockpit area - love those wrap around windows, all gear drivable manually in case of failure and on and on. I also believe the maintenance of the Amel is easier and less costly - would be great to get a few owners reviews on that one. Thanks for sharing!
Love the salon interior of the HR with the 2 recliners and lit glass cabinet, but I still would go with the AMEL due to its reputation and state-of-the-art instruments. I also think it's a more beautiful boat.
Absolutely magnificent Yacht! One question keeps on coming up for me that I haven't been able to find an answer for. Why does this HR have a Yanmar diesel instead of a Volvo?
@@JohnOrtynsky it happens sometimes with owner specifications, we have looked into many different sailboats over the years and some manufacturers are open to changes. It also might be this one was set as a test yacht for HR and they might have been looking at changing engine manufacturers.
Two nice boats. To me the credible alternatives to the Amels are more the French Aluminium options such as Garcia 52, Boreal 55 or Allures 51.9. My personal preference probably going to the Garcia because or it's saloon providing perfect visibility on the sea. The helm stations are not as well protected as on the Amel 50 but you can do your watch from inside in inclement weather with excellent view on the sea and still enjoy wind when the weather is better. not that I have the budget for this kind of boats... :-)
I prefer the HR as I like the smaller hull windows, I don't like the twin rudders on either of them but I definitely want the Amel cockpit. Regarding the interior I think again that the HR is the better layout.
I understand why Amel left the Ketch design behind. It is the lack of a skegged rudder annoys me. Yes you get less weather helm with the twin rudders, but the only reason they went with them over a skegegd rudder is to reduce cost. However I still love the Amel... but i would spend a little less and go for the 55 and spend the difference updating some of the equipment.
...and the winner is: Oyster 495! 😁 As a long time lover of Hallberg Rassy and a very, very happy owner of an HR48, the new HR50 seems to me to have lost the soul of blue water cruiser while the Amel 50 looks as an excellent compromise to attract disappointed motorboat drivers to sailing. Just an opinion...
НR is a classic for retirees.)) Very robust boats with their admirers. I personally have questions about the assembly. HR often displays construction elements that should be hidden in the premium segment. For example, they do not hesitate to leave visible the heads of bolts in varnished wood. I also think there is no need for two steering wheels in the central cockpit at a distance of a meter from each other. This solution is only necessary when the control posts are located on the wide stern of a large boat. In general, my choice is definitely Amel. More modern, more beautiful, more comfort in the cockpit during long distance sailing.
Well.. I bought the Amel so I’m biased. 😜 I grew up a traditionalist and walked into my buying process wanting to love HR.. But when I looked at what I wanted to use this tool for, the Amel was the runaway winner. Engine room is simply the best by far.. it’s crazy to me that this isn’t how all center cockpit boats handle this The double helm position for a cruising boat makes no sense and eats up a huge part of your outdoor living space… The outdoor living space on the Amel is sacred, larger, and more comfortable. The had dodger is safer and provides great solar… my boat has 1600 watts of solar without looking janky. All beds on my Amel have Lee cloths as do the two bench seats in the saloon.. the island beds also have a center Lee cloth.. The bunk beds are much more practical than the single bed that sort of fits two on the HR The interior of the Amel is also brighter and more spacious for living in The aft lazarette on the Amel (which wasn’t shown) is positively cavernous The completely dry bilges make for more storage Need I really comment on the insanity of teak decks (not only in terms of heat under foot in the tropics and maintenance but also cutting down precious hardwood? And finally the boat has six watertight compartments which is a huge boon to safety. But.. All boats are a compromise and YMMV. 😉
It's great to hear from a happy owner, I am with you on teak decks as synthetic costs no extra in the long run and no maintenance too. anytime you are around France a cheeky day out would be amazing . Thank you for your input and happy sailing;)
Hi Fregata! I followed your build thread on Cruiser's Forum and I have to say I was super impressed with the meticulous attention to detail, care and pride with which the yard constructs it's boats. My shortlist for a multi-year circumnavigation upon retirement included Oyster, HR and Amel and after visiting all three manufacturers I've decided on Amel. It's not a surprise that the Amel 50 beat out both Oyster and HR for European Boat of the Year in it's category in 2018.
Thanks Nicole! SV Tonic - she’s headed to the west coast and we will start our full time cruising from that coast of the us so it may be quite some time before I’m back in the Atlantic!
For our intermediate sailors here... which one is easier to dock in inclement weather? Why do I feel the position of the Amel's helm leaves me with a feeling of being detached from observing the sensitive areas during docking... especially if all the windows around you are are crusted with salt from the journey? Otherwise, I like everything else about the Amel including the helm position under sail.
With boats this big, do you need granny bars etc ? Or is it just choise an personal saftey etc? Thanks for the great vids girls. Seen 3-4 vids now on H/R69 an 44-50-400. I’ve actually fallen in love with these over the Swans!😮 ❤❤❤❤🙏🙏💎💎🪬🪬🥃🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧
one of the most comfortable older sailboats I have sailed is The HR42e Ketch. What a cracker easy to single hand even better shorthanded and just a very comfortable ride.
To me the Amel wins hands down. I know they are both 50 footers but The HR just appears to be small and tight in the cockpit. The fold down swim platform on the HR looks like an afterthought. It’s way too small for a 50 footer. I don’t see the need for twin helms on a center cockpit ( they look so close to each other). I love the Amel helm station. It’s great for passages. Amel all the way
Hallberg Rassy for me but what would I know only been building boats for 30 years. HR must be the best production yard in the world and I trust them far more than Amel
To me the interior of the HR 50 is so dated compared to the AMEL, but it is all personal preference. I also don't want to be out in the sun getting thrashed by wind and the sun on long crossings.
HR 50! If you want a sailboat. If you want a flooting apartment with sails...well the Amel is yours together with most so called blue water cruisers. Just my opinion, no worries.
I would rather have an Amel 50 or an Amel 64 if I could afford them over any of the Hallberg-Rassy’s or any other boat except for the Puffin 50 or the Puffin 58!
If I could afford one they would both be high on my list of dream long distance cruisers. I have a great idea! Let me have one of each for a years to properly test and I will give you my in depth conclusions. Can you look after my Contessa 26 while I am away please?
That magnificent Amel has my vote. For one thing the electrical system is European (French) and uses higher voltage and smaller lighter weight cables than the U.S. electrical standards. Like to see how the lithium batteries were installed/charged. Cruisers really don't like to hear the engine or generators running. Something that's very clear is Amel fully protected cruseability cockpit for the crew member standing watch in rough seas at three in the morning.
@@67amigo those who had the privilege to visit the factories have all been impressed by the Chantier AMEL compared to HR, Oyster etc. AMEL has also a long track record of viability, impeccable craft and the assembly line is just amazing. You need to update your operating system and upgrade to the French slick design and proven robustness.
Wow! AMEL is great! Just one question: how do you keep a yacht so clean? Maybe you're taking another person on board to clean all of these shiny things? But who wants to live together with a servant? I mean who want to spent a precious moments with ... a boat servant? Or maybe you clean a boat by yourself including toilet and a hull?
With the Amel it should be known the owner or crew need to be not only good sailors but mechanics and technicians to care for the many "luxury" items found on the Amel beyond normal maintenance found a on sailing vessel.
@@stevemazz3121 I would say you are right, the tec room on the Amel is very complicated and a wide knowledge mixed with a lot of practical skill is needed to run and maintain one of these lovely sailboats.
Unfortunately, as soon as you say sailboat, something will go wrong, new or old. But when you buy pedigree boats like the Hallberg R or the Amel, etc you strive to have fewer problems if any;)
Since I know french tech "quality" I would always go for HR, although the Amel´s centercockit is really good. But there is better: Sirius (smaller, but has a real decksaloon and is built like Schwarzenegger) Personally I trust dutch craftmanship the most ;)
Hard to think of Dutch or German wood vessel craftsmanship being better than that of the French shipwrights when you consider the years the French have been producing Ocean going Blue water military and trade vessels.
@@stevemazz3121 If You think french plastik coatet chipboard interiour a´la IKEA is better than a handcrafted solid wood interieur by eg. DeVries, sure, *ironic mode* the french are better *ironic mode off* I have seen interieur of a new Lagoon, where the veneer is coming off, OMG, thank You, but NO thank You.
@@Iam-mad Amel are not your plastic coated chip board blah blah how dare you sir. Also, for centuries, even as England ruled the waves, they admired French ships for their superior build quality. However, granted, the Dutch have always been top ship builders, ever since they developed the first mechanical saws, powered by wind
@@hofmeyrscholtz1069 Well, You should watch Brian on his Amel (SV Delos) repairing his parts, the life speaks different then the advertisements. When I see this electric motor for the in mast furling of the main, having permanently water in (omg), why does this just remind me of the build quality of the french cars I had? Small details, the french don´t care, this is called "Laissez-faire" its in their genes. The dutch though, they care the detail. Ever seen the wiring on a Dutch boat? But yes, french boats rule the oceans, and their army of repairing ship owners ;)
Your coverage is really appreciated, but it would be really great to get a real, in depth comparison between - for instance - the Kraken 50, AMEL 50, Hallberg Rassy 50. You could even bring in the Oyster 495. There's an awful lot of "superficial" reviews on TH-cam, but nothing really substantive or definitive?
Hi, and thank you for your comment; Amel has invited us out on the 15 of march, so we will get as much on video as possible for everyone. I aim to be as honest as possible about all the sailboats we visit. Unfortunately, Oyster has been unresponsive about our requests to look around the 495 and I will admit I had not thought about the Kraken so will send Bill Dickson an email and see what happens.
@@SVTONICBoatWives Try Dick Beaumont, the founder. He's on a large number of TH-cam articles, explaining his boat designs and considerations. I find him very convincing...
Like to see some speed trials , Numbers . Horses for courses - Me Amel by a long shot (Comfort& style) & i believe redundancies are built in to the Amel but build quality HR is top notch
Both are gorgeous boats but aren't we getting to the point where we have to consider the wisdom of fabricating yet more huge plastic hulls, when there are so many perfectly good boats already out there? One day I might buy a bigger used bluewater boat but for now, my 1967 hurley signet is just fine. 52 years old, zero issues, cost a tiny fraction of these two.
The HR wins on stability and comfort ratios, but the Amel wins on what is practical. That Starboard foreword cabin, on the HR is ridiculous. The berth is so narrow at the foot that it is barely wide enough for one person let alone 2! Then look at the TV on the HR. It is on the wrong side of the saloon so that it can only be watched by two people. On the other hand, the figures for the Amel appear to show concern for her stability and does she have such a lively motion as to be uncomfortable? Why wait for the Oyster? Oysters are built with balsa core topsides. Oyster say "high tech balsa". What does that mean? is it a different tree? As one who has had to deal with rectification work on balsa core decks, I would hate to think of it in my topsides.
You make some great points for both sailboats, what we would love to see is a blend of the Hallberg and the Amel. As you say the hr is very stable and sits well at see, the interior is very comfortable but a bit old folks home;) But for us, Amel's interior is very well thought out and modern.
We just he a comment from Hallberg Rassy, I don't know why youtube is not showing it but here it is Hallberg-Rassy The Saloon TV may be fitted to the port or starboard side, to the owner's preference. The starboard cabin may be ordered with one bed or in addition an upper foldable pullman bed, also to the boat owner's preference. See www.hallberg-rassy.com/fileadmin/gallery/210913035031_HR50pullmanDown.jpg (' I hope this help's;) Thank you to Hallberg Rassy for pointing this out for us;)
HR ... any day of the week. I sail solo or 2 up for longish distances. The pullman cabin, fitted with lee cloths, is perfect for a passage birth. If there are 4 of you then get the upper/lower passage births - 2 on watch, 2 off. The owners and front cabins are perfect for Med cruising with friends where you are in port or at anchor most nights. Magnus' fabulous passagemaker definately gets my vote.
@@SVTONICBoatWives A modern interior is nice for a few years and than looks very out dated when a new interior style shows up in blue water cruisers. That will take down the re sell value.
Amel. Central cockpit and commands feel safer and more comfortable, interior more stylish abd spacious. Its engine room is amazing. The HR might have a better finishings quality, but it looks somewhat dated to me. I also can't understand why two helms on such a tight cockpit
This is a pretty good video production. Better than most. I assume the commentary is performed by the girl with the Tattoos and I must say she has a very appealing voice which arrives at the ear in pleasant manner. Mmm 🤔 which boat? I like both. Maybe the Amel as it seems more convivial. It has a place for two sun worshiping babes on the back. I like that feature.. :)
Let’s be fair in this comparison, if you look at Hr50 pricing a fully loaded boat including carbon rig is 1.9 millions Euros, I’ve been looking at their pricing catalog and lost my mind when I saw 1.9 millions euros price of Amel 60 not even Amel 50 🤣 with all my due respect to HR this is a 50 foot boat not worth the price ….. knowing that Amel is the Blue Water cruiser by history
I'm Swiss! I dont like french quality so much. Normally North sea boat builders are more serious...but here..AMEL...for everything. Design first, cokpit, Motor acces. Off course Amel has developp a very modern, confortable design. Every where it looks so smooth with nice colours and nice materials. Only the big white place behind the cockpit could be not very pratical in sailing, with some water on it..ça glisse?? HR is nice but too much classic, only the saloon is much more better to me. 2 wheels in such small cockpit..is it a good idea? HR with Amel cockpit will be much more enjoyable to live outside certainly. Almost about quality, HR is normally much more better!! To see after one ot two years sailing on the sea...Normally Amel boat are more complicated then others boat. French is nice to see..but most ofthen not very good after many years on sailing..
Thanks god you weren't allowed to open all the drawers. On the other hand, why to repeat at port what you said to replicate at starboard? Always frankly, I don't appreciate the way you use your index fingers.
As Bluewater sailboats which one would be your choice?
This is a hard one to answer when we have seen the new oyster 495 we will be able to say;)
Love amel
But would like to get a ride on one
Nice review - thanks. Seems to me there is no clear cut definition for, or set of requirements to, earning the title "blue water sailboat". So in this light, how much of an ocean beating could these boats take? I know, a boat/ship is as seaworthy as its crew, but still. I was led to believe that e.g. Lloyd's had some seaworthiness tests like a 10 ft drop test that should have zero impact to structural integrity. Are you familiar with the Kraken story and boats - how do these two here compare with that?
@@jpdj2715 finally, there is no clear cut definition you are right there are ideals in what or how your sailboat is constructed. Yes, we do know of Kraken yachts and would love to be able to film one maybe in the near future;)
@@jpdj2715 I'd been overviewing the Kraken and it's absolutely amazing. May be perfectly a 3th option to these HR and Amel
There are a few points on the Hallberg Rassy that would probably make my choice fall on the Amel. The twin helm station shortens the cockpit so that you can no longer sleep in it because the thighs are too short. But especially in such a well protected cockpit I want to be able to lie in in the harbor on hot nights in the south as well as at sea. The point of a twin helm station in a central cockpit does not make sense to me either. A single steering station would not have narrowed the sides of the cockpit so much. That my concerns make sense can be seen from the equally wonderful Najad 505. There they did it without the twin helm station, with the result that the central cockpit is huge compared to that of the Hallberg Rassy and at least two people can sleep comfortably in it when the night is too hot to go below deck.
The helm station of the Amel, on the other hand, may be a no-go for the weekend sailor, but a bluewater-sailor has completely different requirements. I neither want to sit in the blazing sun all the time, nor let the wind cool me down or let myself dry out. Besides, I mostly sail on autopilot anyway. While on watch, I can make myself comfortable in the back of the Amel's cockpit and watch the waves go by. If I have still installed OSCAR on the boats, which I assume when buying a new ship with the price of these ships, I will only be behind the wheel for maneuvers on long voyages anyway. The solution of the cockpit layout is simply much more practical compared to that of the HR , which would be one of the most important decision criteria for me, as it is my main living space in practice. Behind the cockpit, the Amel also offers an area that can also be used as a sunbed. The Hallberg Rassy doesn't offer that either.
I also don't like the Hallberg Rassy's mainsheet system. From my point of view, a traveler is indispensable for such a boat. But i think, this layout depends on the requirements of the owner of this particular HR.
The front right cabin on the Hallberg Rassy has only one bed. I know this layout is modern. From my point of view this is a mistake. It is actually too narrow for two and at sea it offers only space for one person anyway. First of all, the double bunkbed of the Amel can actually be used by two people, and it creates two real seabeds.
Finally, the Amel has an engine room that can be accessed from the outside and that combines all the technical devices that can cause noise in the ship in this room. At the Hallberg Rassy, the machine room can be entered in the classic way from one of the side aisles to the rear cabin. I doubt that this solution will be able to keep scents from the engine room away from the rest of the ship in the long term. My wife also hates lying near or on top of electrical and electronic equipment. The separate accommodation in the engine room of the Amel is therefore a further advantage.
I don't think I have to write anything about the advantage of artificial teak over real teak. This is also a clear plus point of the Amel.
For me, in conclusion, the Amel is the clearly more practical bluewatership. The HR maybe will be preferred by people, who reject the Amel simply because of the steering position. But if I live on my ship, the living space in the cockpit is more important than the question of where exactly I will be when I enter the port.
Given this, the Oyster 495 will be no match for the Amel. It has a somewhat very unique steering position too, two steering wheels behind the cockpit practically on top of the deck. Apart from the fact that I would feel uncomfortable sitting so high in a rough sea, you are completely unprotected this way. The position therefore seems to me to be a no-go for long journeys.
Ok so we don't know where to start with your fantastic comment, thank you for taking the time to write such a well-detailed article on your pros and cons, some of which we agree with. I hope that our many subscribers will join in on the point's you have made so we can really see where passion wins over experience;)
I far and away prefer Amels engine room layout and agree with your other points.
.... but Oyster is just so pretty! :)
@@atadoff62 Yes, when it comes to beauty, the Oyster might be slightly ahead. But what about sailing characteristics? The Oyster weighs 21 t and has a upwind sail area of only 115 m² with a furling mainsail. Even with a classic mainsail, which I would not choose because of the risk that reefing of sails this size would be hard work if the electric winch failed, it only has a sail area of 124 m². The Amel and the Hallberg Rassy weigh 21 t too, the Amel has 126 m² of sail area upwind, the Hallberg Rassy 131 m² and even 149 m² as a performance version. This says something about how this three boats will sail.
I agree 100 percent. All of your comments. I am a blue water sailor. The Amel is a blue water yacht and a boat in bad as in good weather.
well thought out and informative response. Nice one.
A friend would say: The purchase of a sailboat is always associated with compromises
For me the Amel because of the cockpit I love it and because I don't like boats with 2 steering wheels.
The hardtop is also directly a great place for solar as you can see in the video
The cockpit on the Amel is great if HR was able to have a cockpit-like that they would be 100% winner for us.
Amel for me. Esp.for manual back up, cockpit, hardtop, more practical....
As for me. A person who solo's a lot and sails with minium crew, the automation of the Amel is superior. The protective cockpit and ease of handling the trimming from the cockpit is very appealing to the Amel. Over all the Amel is the best choice for a Solo sailor.
Great review! Must say the HR interior finish is benchmark and those seats look v e r y comfy for long passage. However. I think the Amel has so many well thought through features - as you mentioned several water tight compartments, I believe still only one through hole, protected (and large) cockpit area - love those wrap around windows, all gear drivable manually in case of failure and on and on. I also believe the maintenance of the Amel is easier and less costly - would be great to get a few owners reviews on that one. Thanks for sharing!
Thanks for watching
Love the salon interior of the HR with the 2 recliners and lit glass cabinet, but I still would go with the AMEL due to its reputation and state-of-the-art instruments. I also think it's a more beautiful boat.
Absolutely magnificent Yacht! One question keeps on coming up for me that I haven't been able to find an answer for. Why does this HR have a Yanmar diesel instead of a Volvo?
@@JohnOrtynsky it happens sometimes with owner specifications, we have looked into many different sailboats over the years and some manufacturers are open to changes. It also might be this one was set as a test yacht for HR and they might have been looking at changing engine manufacturers.
Two nice boats. To me the credible alternatives to the Amels are more the French Aluminium options such as Garcia 52, Boreal 55 or Allures 51.9. My personal preference probably going to the Garcia because or it's saloon providing perfect visibility on the sea. The helm stations are not as well protected as on the Amel 50 but you can do your watch from inside in inclement weather with excellent view on the sea and still enjoy wind when the weather is better. not that I have the budget for this kind of boats... :-)
I prefer the HR as I like the smaller hull windows, I don't like the twin rudders on either of them but I definitely want the Amel cockpit. Regarding the interior I think again that the HR is the better layout.
I am right with you there but I do like the modern feel of the Amel.
I understand why Amel left the Ketch design behind. It is the lack of a skegged rudder annoys me. Yes you get less weather helm with the twin rudders, but the only reason they went with them over a skegegd rudder is to reduce cost. However I still love the Amel... but i would spend a little less and go for the 55 and spend the difference updating some of the equipment.
...and the winner is: Oyster 495! 😁 As a long time lover of Hallberg Rassy and a very, very happy owner of an HR48, the new HR50 seems to me to have lost the soul of blue water cruiser while the Amel 50 looks as an excellent compromise to attract disappointed motorboat drivers to sailing. Just an opinion...
We cant wait to see the new Oyster 495;)
НR is a classic for retirees.)) Very robust boats with their admirers. I personally have questions about the assembly. HR often displays construction elements that should be hidden in the premium segment. For example, they do not hesitate to leave visible the heads of bolts in varnished wood. I also think there is no need for two steering wheels in the central cockpit at a distance of a meter from each other. This solution is only necessary when the control posts are located on the wide stern of a large boat.
In general, my choice is definitely Amel. More modern, more beautiful, more comfort in the cockpit during long distance sailing.
Well.. I bought the Amel so I’m biased. 😜
I grew up a traditionalist and walked into my buying process wanting to love HR..
But when I looked at what I wanted to use this tool for, the Amel was the runaway winner.
Engine room is simply the best by far.. it’s crazy to me that this isn’t how all center cockpit boats handle this
The double helm position for a cruising boat makes no sense and eats up a huge part of your outdoor living space…
The outdoor living space on the Amel is sacred, larger, and more comfortable.
The had dodger is safer and provides great solar… my boat has 1600 watts of solar without looking janky.
All beds on my Amel have Lee cloths as do the two bench seats in the saloon.. the island beds also have a center Lee cloth..
The bunk beds are much more practical than the single bed that sort of fits two on the HR
The interior of the Amel is also brighter and more spacious for living in
The aft lazarette on the Amel (which wasn’t shown) is positively cavernous
The completely dry bilges make for more storage
Need I really comment on the insanity of teak decks (not only in terms of heat under foot in the tropics and maintenance but also cutting down precious hardwood?
And finally the boat has six watertight compartments which is a huge boon to safety.
But..
All boats are a compromise and YMMV. 😉
It's great to hear from a happy owner, I am with you on teak decks as synthetic costs no extra in the long run and no maintenance too. anytime you are around France a cheeky day out would be amazing
. Thank you for your input and happy sailing;)
Hi Fregata! I followed your build thread on Cruiser's Forum and I have to say I was super impressed with the meticulous attention to detail, care and pride with which the yard constructs it's boats. My shortlist for a multi-year circumnavigation upon retirement included Oyster, HR and Amel and after visiting all three manufacturers I've decided on Amel. It's not a surprise that the Amel 50 beat out both Oyster and HR for European Boat of the Year in it's category in 2018.
Thanks Nicole! SV Tonic - she’s headed to the west coast and we will start our full time cruising from that coast of the us so it may be quite some time before I’m back in the Atlantic!
@@JustinmaguireIII Sounds exciting
For our intermediate sailors here... which one is easier to dock in inclement weather? Why do I feel the position of the Amel's helm leaves me with a feeling of being detached from observing the sensitive areas during docking... especially if all the windows around you are are crusted with salt from the journey? Otherwise, I like everything else about the Amel including the helm position under sail.
how could you go wrong with any of them. they are both stellar
With boats this big, do you need granny bars etc ? Or is it just choise an personal saftey etc?
Thanks for the great vids girls.
Seen 3-4 vids now on H/R69 an 44-50-400.
I’ve actually fallen in love with these over the Swans!😮
❤❤❤❤🙏🙏💎💎🪬🪬🥃🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧
one of the most comfortable older sailboats I have sailed is The HR42e Ketch. What a cracker easy to single hand even better shorthanded and just a very comfortable ride.
For me Amel offers much better layout both inside and outside. HR's cockpit is ridiculously small for a 50-footer.
I will admit you are right on the cockpit size compared to the Amel, than you for taking the time to watch.
To me the Amel wins hands down. I know they are both 50 footers but The HR just appears to be small and tight in the cockpit. The fold down swim platform on the HR looks like an afterthought. It’s way too small for a 50 footer. I don’t see the need for twin helms on a center cockpit ( they look so close to each other). I love the Amel helm station. It’s great for passages. Amel all the way
HR50 for quality and seamanship!
Would it be fair to say the Amel would suit older sailors because of its protected helm and layout?
and maybe young families;)
@@SVTONICBoatWives sure, agreed.
Controversial..
thanx for explanatory video. my choice would be Amel, no doubt. yours?
I love both for different reasons we will upload the full tours of each sailboat soon, so that might help a little.
Hallberg Rassy for me but what would I know only been building boats for 30 years. HR must be the best production yard in the world and I trust them far more than Amel
Another vote for the Hallberg Rassy that makes me happy;)
You trust bolt on keels and no-skeg rudders for trans-ocean sailing? HR doesn't make full keel hulls any more :(
To me the interior of the HR 50 is so dated compared to the AMEL, but it is all personal preference. I also don't want to be out in the sun getting thrashed by wind and the sun on long crossings.
HR 50! If you want a sailboat. If you want a flooting apartment with sails...well the Amel is yours together with most so called blue water cruisers. Just my opinion, no worries.
The Amel has a better center cockpit area layout; however, the Hallberg Rassy has a better Salon area layout.
I think the protection and size of the amel cockpit is the difference, otherwise it’s a wash as far as sailing performance and interior
I would rather have an Amel 50 or an Amel 64 if I could afford them over any of the Hallberg-Rassy’s or any other boat except for the Puffin 50 or the Puffin 58!
If I could afford one they would both be high on my list of dream long distance cruisers. I have a great idea! Let me have one of each for a years to properly test and I will give you my in depth conclusions. Can you look after my Contessa 26 while I am away please?
That sounds like a great idea we can swap each sailboat after a year just to compare notes;)
Amel it is. Though the Rassy radiates real beauty there are more practical and safety aspects for the Amel.
WOW THANK YOU FOR BRINGING US ALONG =) XO XO THE AMEL FOR ME PLEASE... VIVA SV DELOS !!!!!
Both fine boats. My choice would be the Amel. Thank you for the review. Both are very modern, long way from the classical look.
we totally agree, they are both great sailboat's and we would be more than happy with either one;)
That magnificent Amel has my vote. For one thing the electrical system is European (French) and uses higher voltage and smaller lighter weight cables than the U.S. electrical standards. Like to see how the lithium batteries were installed/charged. Cruisers really don't like to hear the engine or generators running. Something that's very clear is Amel fully protected cruseability cockpit for the crew member standing watch in rough seas at three in the morning.
And HR are made in the USA??? Nothing beats the Swedish build quality and saftey standard. Asspecially compared to French build.
@@67amigo those who had the privilege to visit the factories have all been impressed by the Chantier AMEL compared to HR, Oyster etc. AMEL has also a long track record of viability, impeccable craft and the assembly line is just amazing. You need to update your operating system and upgrade to the French slick design and proven robustness.
Wow! AMEL is great! Just one question: how do you keep a yacht so clean? Maybe you're taking another person on board to clean all of these shiny things? But who wants to live together with a servant? I mean who want to spent a precious moments with ... a boat servant?
Or maybe you clean a boat by yourself including toilet and a hull?
Both are really top notch Blue Water machines . My favorite ...... AMEL !!
Review a kraken 50
we would love to, it is just waiting to get an invite;)
Curious how they compare in price?
very similar depending on options;)
Now if they could only put the A cockpit on the HR ?
Everyone talks about layout, which one crushes waves better !!!!
Love this video and what fab boats too!
cheers luv
HR just can’t compete. Living space, layout, modern design, sun deck, hard dodger, no teak. Amel excels in all aspects.
That's another vote for Amel, she is looking to be the people's favourite;) thank you for taking the time to watch.
With the Amel it should be known the owner or crew need to be not only good sailors but mechanics and technicians to care for the many "luxury" items found on the Amel beyond normal maintenance found a on sailing vessel.
One may want to convert the small cabin with bunks into a small work shop and parts storage.
@@stevemazz3121 I would say you are right, the tec room on the Amel is very complicated and a wide knowledge mixed with a lot of practical skill is needed to run and maintain one of these lovely sailboats.
Die Scharniere der Ankerketten- Luke, sollten unsichtbar sein, optisch schöner, eleganter.
i want to know a boat where the electronics dont fail when far out to sea for weeks and months on end
Unfortunately, as soon as you say sailboat, something will go wrong, new or old. But when you buy pedigree boats like the Hallberg R or the Amel, etc you strive to have fewer problems if any;)
@@SVTONICBoatWives hahaha "if any" that would be in a dream world but thanks
Everyone uses the same small pool of electronics manufacturers.
@@atadoff62 you are right there;)
Since I know french tech "quality" I would always go for HR, although the Amel´s centercockit is really good.
But there is better: Sirius (smaller, but has a real decksaloon and is built like Schwarzenegger)
Personally I trust dutch craftmanship the most ;)
We haven't seen a Sirius yet, maybe an interesting boat to look at, but you are right about Dutch and german craftsmanship;)
Hard to think of Dutch or German wood vessel craftsmanship being better than that of the French shipwrights when you consider the years the French have been producing Ocean going Blue water military and trade vessels.
@@stevemazz3121 If You think french plastik coatet chipboard interiour a´la IKEA is better than a handcrafted solid wood interieur by eg. DeVries, sure, *ironic mode* the french are better *ironic mode off*
I have seen interieur of a new Lagoon, where the veneer is coming off, OMG, thank You, but NO thank You.
@@Iam-mad Amel are not your plastic coated chip board blah blah how dare you sir. Also, for centuries, even as England ruled the waves, they admired French ships for their superior build quality. However, granted, the Dutch have always been top ship builders, ever since they developed the first mechanical saws, powered by wind
@@hofmeyrscholtz1069 Well, You should watch Brian on his Amel (SV Delos) repairing his parts, the life speaks different then the advertisements.
When I see this electric motor for the in mast furling of the main, having permanently water in (omg), why does this just remind me of the build quality of the french cars I had?
Small details, the french don´t care, this is called "Laissez-faire" its in their genes.
The dutch though, they care the detail. Ever seen the wiring on a Dutch boat?
But yes, french boats rule the oceans, and their army of repairing ship owners ;)
Bought beautiful yachts Amel is my choice from the cockpit on word comfort and safety. Now
I just need a few Million and 20 years younger;)
Well if you find your million's let us know and we can crew for you;)
Your coverage is really appreciated, but it would be really great to get a real, in depth comparison between - for instance - the Kraken 50, AMEL 50, Hallberg Rassy 50. You could even bring in the Oyster 495. There's an awful lot of "superficial" reviews on TH-cam, but nothing really substantive or definitive?
Hi, and thank you for your comment; Amel has invited us out on the 15 of march, so we will get as much on video as possible for everyone. I aim to be as honest as possible about all the sailboats we visit. Unfortunately, Oyster has been unresponsive about our requests to look around the 495 and I will admit I had not thought about the Kraken so will send Bill Dickson an email and see what happens.
@@SVTONICBoatWives
Try Dick Beaumont, the founder. He's on a large number of TH-cam articles, explaining his boat designs and considerations. I find him very convincing...
One more vote for Amel
The Amel helm completely protected wins it for me.
Prop placement is a nice location for the AMEL .
I'd choose the Amel because...all of it.
Isn't it odd that there are two helms so close to each other?
Amel by far.
Very professionally done 👍🏻
Thank you;)
Like to see some speed trials , Numbers . Horses for courses - Me Amel by a long shot (Comfort& style) & i believe redundancies are built in to the Amel but build quality HR is top notch
AMEL forever
That lady doesn't quite know the boat. Red & Green button for the anchor? How about the bow thruster?
Bolt on keels
Spade rudders
Pass
Deux magnifiques bateaux mais si j’avais la possibilité de choisir ce serait Amel
Both are gorgeous boats but aren't we getting to the point where we have to consider the wisdom of fabricating yet more huge plastic hulls, when there are so many perfectly good boats already out there? One day I might buy a bigger used bluewater boat but for now, my 1967 hurley signet is just fine. 52 years old, zero issues, cost a tiny fraction of these two.
We need to make side to side comparison with Puffin, Kraken, Najad and Swan of the same (or comparable size)
Center cockpit with twin helms.
Yep, it's always nice to drive on the left or the right depending on where you are in the world.
I'll take one of each.
100% Amel !
Amel 50 for me!
Both nice, but I'll have to choose Amel, simplicity, redundancy, safety and I am not getting any younger.
The HR wins on stability and comfort ratios, but the Amel wins on what is practical. That Starboard foreword cabin, on the HR is ridiculous. The berth is so narrow at the foot that it is barely wide enough for one person let alone 2! Then look at the TV on the HR. It is on the wrong side of the saloon so that it can only be watched by two people.
On the other hand, the figures for the Amel appear to show concern for her stability and does she have such a lively motion as to be uncomfortable?
Why wait for the Oyster? Oysters are built with balsa core topsides. Oyster say "high tech balsa". What does that mean? is it a different tree? As one who has had to deal with rectification work on balsa core decks, I would hate to think of it in my topsides.
You make some great points for both sailboats, what we would love to see is a blend of the Hallberg and the Amel. As you say the hr is very stable and sits well at see, the interior is very comfortable but a bit old folks home;) But for us, Amel's interior is very well thought out and modern.
We just he a comment from Hallberg Rassy, I don't know why youtube is not showing it but here it is
Hallberg-Rassy
The Saloon TV may be fitted to the port or starboard side, to the owner's preference. The starboard cabin may be ordered with one bed or in addition an upper foldable pullman bed, also to the boat owner's preference. See www.hallberg-rassy.com/fileadmin/gallery/210913035031_HR50pullmanDown.jpg (' I hope this help's;)
Thank you to Hallberg Rassy for pointing this out for us;)
HR ... any day of the week. I sail solo or 2 up for longish distances. The pullman cabin, fitted with lee cloths, is perfect for a passage birth. If there are 4 of you then get the upper/lower passage births - 2 on watch, 2 off. The owners and front cabins are perfect for Med cruising with friends where you are in port or at anchor most nights. Magnus' fabulous passagemaker definately gets my vote.
@@SVTONICBoatWives A modern interior is nice for a few years and than looks very out dated when a new interior style shows up in blue water cruisers. That will take down the re sell value.
Amel has better helm.
Amel. Central cockpit and commands feel safer and more comfortable, interior more stylish abd spacious. Its engine room is amazing. The HR might have a better finishings quality, but it looks somewhat dated to me. I also can't understand why two helms on such a tight cockpit
I want to see the hull, keel, and rudder shapes and designs. No one likes to take the time to show us the most important part of the boats.
We will see what we can do for you;)
This is a pretty good video production. Better than most. I assume the commentary is performed by the girl with the Tattoos and I must say she has a very appealing voice which arrives at the ear in pleasant manner. Mmm 🤔 which boat? I like both. Maybe the Amel as it seems more convivial. It has a place for two sun worshiping babes on the back. I like that feature.. :)
Both need to lose the generator and become hybrid
Amel
This was easy: HALLBERG-RASSY
Pretty hard to beat a blue water cruiser designed to be sailed by a blind man
Waiting for the HR 69. Both are great but leaning HR.🇺🇲🇮🇱
Let’s be fair in this comparison, if you look at Hr50 pricing a fully loaded boat including carbon rig is 1.9 millions Euros, I’ve been looking at their pricing catalog and lost my mind when I saw 1.9 millions euros price of Amel 60 not even Amel 50 🤣 with all my due respect to HR this is a 50 foot boat not worth the price ….. knowing that Amel is the Blue Water cruiser by history
I'm Swiss! I dont like french quality so much. Normally North sea boat builders are more serious...but here..AMEL...for everything.
Design first, cokpit, Motor acces. Off course Amel has developp a very modern, confortable design. Every where it looks so smooth with nice colours and nice materials. Only the big white place behind the cockpit could be not very pratical in sailing, with some water on it..ça glisse??
HR is nice but too much classic, only the saloon is much more better to me. 2 wheels in such small cockpit..is it a good idea? HR with Amel cockpit will be much more enjoyable to live outside certainly.
Almost about quality, HR is normally much more better!! To see after one ot two years sailing on the sea...Normally Amel boat are more complicated then others boat. French is nice to see..but most ofthen not very good after many years on sailing..
Thanks god you weren't allowed to open all the drawers.
On the other hand, why to repeat at port what you said to replicate at starboard?
Always frankly, I don't appreciate the way you use your index fingers.
wonderful yachts Hallberg until you step inside
my granny is in he late 80's she thought it was an old peoples design
Horrible
Amel. HR feels dated.
Hallberg always looks soo dated sorry
Amel