Big car maker to license Tesla's ‘Full Self-Driving’ tech as Musk warns rivals
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- Big car maker to license Tesla's ‘Full Self-Driving’ tech as Musk warns rivals
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I bought a brand new Hybrid Toyota and had a crack at Park assist where the car parks itself. First attempt scared the crap out of me when the car tried to park into a driveway across the road rather than parallel park on the curbside. Lucky it was a quiet street . 😂
Sam I've been using my FSD on and off it works mostly good. One issue is perspective . The highway I drove on twice had the same glitch happen . At a slight curve where an on ramp approaches at the right has a stop sign for the on ramp entering the highway . It sees it as a stop sign for the highway so the vehicle stops , which is dangerous if a car is at my back . Fortunately both times this happened there weren't any cars behind me. Signs need to have some distinguishing mark, color, shape or something so AI doesn't get confused. Scared the shit of me first time it happened.
AI has to be able to distinguish the differences between signage and it functions if is to be widely adapated. There has been a recent death caused by an operator who was unable to make the touch screen function properly. She was reported to be under the influence, however the self-drive let her operate the vehicle. A no no
Real world comments are truly helpful.
Did you report it?
@@DynamicUnreal It was widely reported. Did you miss it?
@@howardj602 I am referring to the specific event that OP mentioned. You can immediately report an FSD mistake right after it happens.
FSD is fine if it’s optional. Many people derive pleasure from actually driving cars themselves! Robo taxis are great if very cheap and plentiful on demand. FSD would be great if your car sensed you were inebriated and insisted on driving you home. Also good for long journeys, particularly for business people. So yes the Nokia analogy is good as long as FSD adds functionality like an iPhone but not if it removes the option of actually driving yourself - for pleasure!
I appreciate the sentiment; I used to enjoy driving quite a bit. But your pleasure doesn't outweigh all of our safety. "Self driving" cars are already safer and will make everyone else safer, the more there are on the road..
I have no problem driving my car… but it would probably be great for drunk drivers 😮 in fact I love driving my car, and my motorcycle… it’s fun 🎉
I got the precursor to FSD on my 2018 Model 3 and agree there has been remarkable improvement since then (remember 'phantom braking' to overpass shadows). But the current v12.3 still has far to go. For one thing, it craps out in rain or fog when the cameras are occluded. Heck, they still can't get the windshield wipers to function on the auto setting. I'm 84 and hope they get it right by the time I really need it.
A Tesla FSD system is an option that cost around $5,000 on current discount . How many people want to pay for that option full of disclaimers ?
That is just the beginning. The reason Tesla is pushing this so hard is that they want the subscription money. You then pay the new reduced price of $100/month to use the system. That's $1200 a year for glorified cruise control. I can see the appeal to some but for me I have zero interest. I do not drive enough to warrant that kind of expense. I also don't trust it yet and love to drive. Maybe when 90% of the vehicles out there have it and its proven to be 100% accurate over a span of several years, I would re-look into it, but right now, no way.
@@darpompie4354Humans aren’t 100% percent accurate. What kind of ridiculous standard is that?
@@DynamicUnreal You are right, humans are not 100% accurate. Having in-accurate humans driving around with experimental FSD systems is a recipe for disaster. If I make a mistake driving and die, I am okay with that. Having immature software kill me because of a programming bug is something I am not okay with. I would also not be okay with knowing my self driving car killed someone. The point of 100% accuracy is that I need assurance that there is an improvement. If all we are aiming for is having software drive as crappy as humans do while driving amongst them, then what's the point. I am sure at some point well into the distant future, all cars will be autonomous. To me that is the only way it's going to work because as soon as you introduce one bad human driver into the equation, the odds for something going wrong increases dramatically. I am sure Tesla and mankind will appreciate your death for the sake of a bug fix. While that's happening, I am not interested in paying thousands of dollars of up front costs plus crazy subscription prices to be a ginny pig and a statistic. To each their own.
@@darpompie4354 A lot of what you said is illogical but to each their own.
can trust sam until he admits he lied
Ah Nokia 6310, all week battery life, Easy replacement of battery, never needed software updates, bulletproof, just worked 😂. Whereas nowadays we replace smart phones every year and are plagued with software issues and reliability problems, bring back the 6310 when life was a lot simpler 😂
If I hated my vehicle, I too would want it to drive itself, but I don't, thus I enjoy driving myself.
Sam, please.post where bz4x is 20,000. Online I see prices around AUD 70,000 for the 2wd version.
He said in China.
This would be perfect for smaller more boutique companies that can’t afford to train their own data, such as Maserati. But it’s a no brainer for nearly all companies to license the best software.
When my car can drop me off downtown and return home to park then later come get me and fully replace Uber it will easily be a cost savings to get FSD at 99/mo
Among other value proposition scenarios…
Why own a car at that point…just use ride share from Tesla.
@@jezza6575 the problem with rideshare is that the last person that uses the car could be leaving behind something that you would not want to contract, both microscopic or trash wise ,which is why I would prefer to have my own vehicle so I know that the interior is environmentally clean and safe
@@donblythe3766I guessing you’ve never used public transportation? Lol 😂
Like a big poo?@@donblythe3766
@@jezza6575 to commute to work, visit family, and road trips.
I’m talking above about weekends and evenings and visiting in-city places I don’t want to park, even if it was free.
The deal to be made is
License FSD
Licensee gets the insurance business.
Data is shared
I think the main reason for Tesla to offer full FSD trial for free in April was to feed the neural network with more data to improve machine learning with that enormous data amount
I have a 2500 mile road trip coming up next week, and I'd love to have the car drive for me and I'll just sit in the back and binge some Netflix or play video games instead of being locked into the steering wheel for 3 days straight 18 hours a day.
Reminiscing on Balmer
“A $700 PHONE?!?!?!?”
😂😂😂😂
Full Self Driving is 1 week away - 2015
It's amazing SEC hasn't charged musk with defrauding investors with false promises.
8 august, mark your calendar 🤗. & If you haven't watched & listened to the last Q1 earnings call I suggest you do it 👌
@@CanisoGaming they are going to announce something similar to waymo. yawn...
@@i6power30Except they got millions of cars that are much cheaper than Waymo’s already on the road. If it delivers it will be revolutionary.
Potentially Tesla's self driving technology and accumulated knowledge has the potential to be the most valuable part of the company. One could speculate that Tesla cars are partially there to help develop FSD.
I was under the impression that Tesla either already has, or is going to add the following:
Ultrasonic proximity sensors to aid in parking, and
a forward looking radar designed to detect sudden stops in traffic. This is inconsistent with what this video states.
10 bucks says that when regulation happens LiDAR will be compulsory
I'd also guess Ford but also I suspect the take rate will be lower than with Tesla's because everyone will know it's far better tested on the Tesla's and whomever the car company is has to do a great job with their steering racks and quality control, and their brake and throttle controls, and run ethernet rather than just CAN in their cars. In other words, the other car company has a lot of work to do just to integrate FSD properly and I doubt it will work as well as it does in a Tesla in another OEM's car for the first 1-3 years after launch. After that, Tesla will get into the rhythm of how to deal with all the suppliers these other car companies use that they instead develop the parts for in-house.
Yes ....its the right focus
Interesting. Tesla shares went up by +17 so seen like they are on the right track
Yeah… and Enron went up 32% in 1998 😂
I have Tesla because of the tech. I don’t like the looks the ride or interior. If I could have my Aston Martin with Tesla running gear or even a Lexus.
where is the demand for FSD? some people actually enjoy driving
Nice flex, you must be proud 😅
@@2funny269Once autonomous vehicles prove themselves to be safer than humans, non-autonomy drivers will be banned from most public roads since they will be an unnecessary danger to others. Racetracks will become much more popular for those that love to drive.
@@DynamicUnreal cool fantasy Bro!
@@2funny269 It is easy to see where things are headed if you pay attention.
Maybe Ford will take over supercharger deployment in exchange for licensing FSD. That would explain some recent mass layoffs. I hope there is some explanation!
I called this 10 yrs ago. The value of Tesla is their software. Any car company can make an EV.
C-V2X connected cars tech is needed for FSD as C-V2X is essentially a superpower sensor being able to see around corners and obstacles, end over long distances, and through fog, pedestrians with C-V2X enable the phones, and even pets or wild animals that have been tagged. Together this combination will enable eventually zero accidents and deaths once full adoption is achieved. Even older cars could join the C-V2X network if a phone with that capability is in the car.
And full scale it should be cheaper than lidar and no more expensive than radar, or a cheap phone.
And full scale it should be cheaper than lidar and no more expensive than radar, or a cheap phone.
Ford and/or Benz…the only question is who will be first!?
As of 12N DLS 4/24/2024 Three of Teslas exectives have resigned. One after the earnings report. The well known Drew Baglino who was with the company for 18 years was one of them. He had been in a leadership role and most senior engineering leader at the company, He had been in charge of batteries, motors, drive units, power electronics and energy product development over the years.
Losing him certainly seems like a major loss.
Full self driving is never going to be perfect. There will always be room for improvement.
Will FSD come before or after the Hyperloop?
What “Full” self driving. I got a Tesla trial on that, and it requires hands on steering wheel or it disables after awhile. Not much use.
Robot taxis do not have steering wheels. You can scratch your balls all the time.
FAIL SAFE controllers need to be tested by insurance companies . If an alarm arises in the device during operations , the device must always override the current program and execute a fail safe condition . The car must be brought to a safe shutdown location . The automatic driving operation must not be allowed for another attempt to operate.
Have you seen 100s of birds in a massive flock in the sky flying in loops and curves and forming changing clouds? The birds do not collide with each other because they each respond to the birds around them.
When all the cars are self-driving and communicating with each other - - > say goodbye to many car collisions with the other cars.
I suspect that FSD (if it works!) will become a thing very quickly. It'll be like AC or the radio. Tesla should just make it a standard feature: why not just twist the knife?
Because he does not have a valid reason, he says it compares to how phones went. What if it's another Betamax?
7:25 bought my FSD together with my 2021 ‘Refresh’ Model 3 Performance just before they raised the price “again” even though it didn’t work yet… It was buy it and have confidence it would later on or wait until it worked and pay x-times what I paid…🥴 Today it doesn’t work yet in EU but I heard it could be allowed in the EU in 2025…🤔
It would take ages for new model fitted with all the right cameras and systems to get onto legacy maker's production lines.
not new news 😂
Tesla was saying this a year ago
You haven't watched the Q1 earnings call now have you? 🤔
@CanisoGaming it's obvious your a newly born musk rat, or you'd know this isn't the first time elon has talked about this contract wich most have speculated is ford about a year.
He said this around the time nacs adoption was made by ford
Well at least they deliver eventually .. better than nothing
@@diamondpolish your point
My point is other manufacturers recycle same tech for last 50 years new and improved, introducing chilled and warmed cup holders and gadgets the average person hardly ever uses for the sake of glorifying their vehicles.
If self driving isn’t the most ambitious project I don’t know what is.
To the average person it’s always “Ohhhh duhhh I can drive myself I don’t need that “ but it goes beyond for old people etc.
In my case it could save me from buying a 3rd car. ;
I have a work car and family car and recently wife started new business which means she needs a lift to go work and than the car sits there all day , now on weekend I need the family car as well, instead of giving her a ride (which something I can’t do all times), and car travelling back and forth, whilst it can sit home n charge free from sun,, so for example she can drive to work and than set car to return home in which I can use all day etc.
Endless examples, going to city where no parking, airport .. etc list goes on
U can easily say just get Uber but the money she earns is low so half of income goes to Uber (it’s so expensive where I live) besides why use Uber when u have ur own car!
I thought exact same thing when FSD picked up popularity why I need this waste of $, but now I can see bigger picture I will buy it when it does mainstream and legalised
Don't you think that if another "big car maker" is going to licence FSD it probably has already incorporated suitable gizmos - or at least provided for them in upcoming models? It would seem a wasted opportunity to get ahead of the rest if it takes years to embed.
Where do you find that option I want to do that job posting
I don’t even wanna drive from my work to my house which is like 12 miles. I’m so tired at the end of the day and I just wanna relax so I would love for the self driving thing to be fully up and going plus I’m waiting for a cheaper Tesla. I don’t want to get an electric car from all these other dealerships and be ripped off by thousands of dollars because they wanted to attack on this fee and that fee and transfer fees here and transfer fees, there, and electric fees there.😂😂😂😂
I've been an FSD beta user for quite a while and had grown tired of Tesla fans saying how great FSD was ... because it was better, but far from autonomous. I've racked quite a few miles in the past couple of weeks with version 12 and I'm ready to say that, finally, it really IS getting better. I really does seem possible that it's going to make it to 'safely autonomous' now. It still has glitches that make it unsafe now, but those are getting significantly less frequent and less glaring.
HOWEVER, robotaxi-level autonomy has a major obstacle: under even moderately poor driving conditions, FSD is degraded and it's hard to see how a system dependent on cameras, the function of which are subject to the elements, can ever put on the road without a driver. Even a moderately heavy rain can significantly degrade its efficacy and that's a physical limitation, not really fixable with software.
Big car companies have gotten big loans and grants from big Governments to transition to EV's. This makes it difficult for Governments to let them fail.
Fossil fuel/oil subsidies make any ev related benefits pale to insignificance
I think $49.99 per month subscription for FSD could be the next offering and so on. Still it has a long way to go, however more data is achievable by lowering the cost to subscribers who are giving the driving data away to Tesla for free. Tesla wins in the end with a better trained product.
Afternoon mate
if VW are using a retrieved or stolen software that was groated… wtf..
Yes Viking the future is FSD. I am a good driver yet I fell asleep on the freeway visiting my son in Los Angelos. Round trip is 15 hours of driving from SF TO LA. I only made one mistake and that’s one mistake that could have been fatal. Thanks to FSD I am still alive The loud beeping woke me up.
william , you are irresponsible for not stopping when you sensed you were too tired to drive. The FSD system is touted to completely safe , Full, you have no worries of crashing. Yes ?
FORD will be the first to license FSD. No doubt in my mind.
Only when it's out of beta and works as described which could take a decade or more.
@@hwirtwirt4500 They took it out of Beta ... last month. maybe watch some new videos of people using 12.3.4 .. the cars are driving around major cities with NO interventions from the driver. They are much closer than you think.
@@Tao818 R I G H T.
I could picture insurance companies jacking up the prices for cars without FSD once FSD is proven to be safer than a human driver. Depending on the price differential, that alone could determine the speed of future adoption of FSD.
It already is
This is an under-appreciated issue. I do think that once FSD gets to 99% Plus meaning that it's better than more than 99% of human drivers, the momentum towards it will be enormous. When's it gets to 99.9, at that point there is likely to be legislative momentum towards insisting that everybody use it outside of edge cases that would have to be proven in other words where you have to have an issue to disengage it. We're obviously years away from that but it is coming
Exactly right. The authoritarian nanny state will force you to have and use FSD. That’s why it must be stopped!
It will just be cheaper to hail a car that works 23 hours a day without a driver, regardless of insurance. That is 3 full time cab driver shifts, where the labor cost is eliminated.
Before taxes and social security are taken off, an NYC cab company pays a driver about $110k per year. This means a driverless vehicle can do 3 shifts a day without paying $330k in labour costs every year. Add to that, these things are electric rather than gas, and require less maintenance because of less moving parts.
@@mrmawson2438 I don't believe FSD is better than all drivers at all times in all weather at all locations. I guess the discussion needs to happen as to what is meant by "better then humans" and under what conditions and locations. The decision as to how good FSD has to be might be more difficult then designing FSD itself.
I think it will be Jim Farley of Ford to licence FSD. Jim was the first to acknoledge Teslas lead with vertical Integration and its superior charging network. The others will fall like dominis than.
My guess too. After Elon made the announcement, I read somewhere Ford said they are going a different direction with another manufacturer. However I think this was just a negotiation tactic.FSD works best in the US right now and it would make sense for a US manufacturer to license it first. The only EV makers in town there are Ford, GM and Rivian and I don't think the last one counts as "major" yet. No way it will be GM.
Phillip.
Did you know Blackberry personnel developed Ford software.
Great comparison. But again, I feel that if the lifetime price was a lot lower than $8k or included it with a purchase of a car the technology would improve so much faster with Tesla and other automakers getting tons more data to improve the system.
Tesla are spending $10bn on FSD just this year alone. How do you think they will pay for it if they give it away for free? It's $8k whilst they need data data data. As soon as they feel they have enough then it will go back up to $12k.
Phillip.
@@philliptemple9841 licensing and with car sales. They might be spending on it, but the information that is making it happen is coming from the drivers of the cars they half sold and belong to consumers. So the data should belong to the consumers. Facebook is free because they sell your data. Same concept.
So weird how it is not full self drivingnwhen they crash though, why do people think apps are infallible and will not crash when they are just apps programmed by humans? (They have the same touch screen and icons and need constant updates, apps run your car)
nokia scared the crap out of microsoft with the N9 with meego(the greatest cellphone that ever was)an then they buried it,they thought,now Sailfish OS is the newest meego
A driverless taxi will have a driver!!! Oh yes. Never heard anything on this!!! AI....talk about the weather, sports, find a strip bar!!!!
Imagine you are in Outback Australia & it decides to take you off the side of the road because there is an animal in the way?
Driving a car is fun. It was fun when I got my license in 1978 and I still love it. Would you buy a video game where all you could do is watch and not control anything? For me worrying about what might happen when the car is driving is far more stressful than driving. I'm not just talking about the car bumping into something or curbing a wheel I'm also talking about how other drivers might react to how my car is driving and blame me. Road rage is real and very dangerous. I think we will see more of it when more cars are self driving.
You clearly don't have a Tesla or have tried FSD. It is much safer. I have been driving 25 years and experienced 2 road rage incidents. Not that common.
@@b4804514 I have two Tesla cars, one with FSD. The first time my wife used it the thing curbed one of her wheels. Computers (and some people) don't care about keeping things nice.
@@b4804514 We have two Tesla cars 3&Y my wife just tried the trial version of FSD and the first trip it curbed one of her wheels. Is it also going to follow a truck throwing rocks? Is it going to navigate through a bad part of town or construction zone I would have avoided? Computers don't car about keeping things nice but I do.
Road rage between AI robots 🤖
@@mavelous1763 It is learning from humans after all.
It’s going to depend on how many hours a month you drive and how much you value your time - I suspect that for most people who can afford a Tesla it’s going to work out cheaper to have the Tesla drive itself
I worked out that when I was commuting, 20% of my costs were car parking tickets. If my car could just take itself home park there all day and then come back and pick me up from the station in the evening. Just that that saving alone would cover the cost of FSD.
I have tried FSD in the last 2 weeks...it is so good that I think about subcribe one. Some day FSD will save many lives and help disabled drivers to get freedom in mobility
FSD has already saved many lives. Tesla has data to prove it. Some are more interested in criticizing than saving lives.
Tesla uses a forward looking radar and ultrasonics in addition to eight cameras to facilitate self driving. The only thing they are not using is lidar.
lidar to power hungry ! smart musk 🎉
FSD is becoming more efficient and safer with every new update, and compared to the entire fleet of vehicles on the road it’s only a small proportion. So for a minute, just imagine this; when the majority of vehicles on the road will have FSD how much safer will it be.
What Musk said, was that hopefully in 5 to 10 years they have such a licensing agreement for FSD. And he did not respond to the question if they have such a deal already, but referred (tangent) to "maybe at the end of next year, it is a good product."
Tesla might be the next BlackBerry if EV car sales continue to plummet like they are now.
What about BYD?
This car will never be road legal in Europe,,it never will..😮😮 EVER.!!!!!😅😅😅😅😅😅😅
Why not? We already have some self driving busses here in Norway.
FSD should be a personal licence for the driver. Pay $1000 now and have lifetime licence on any tesla compliant car
Well I would just love to go out for dinner and not to have to worry about how many beers I have and can just let the car drive me home without getting done for drink driving !!!! All I can say is bring the technology on ,,
It's a good way for other manufacturers to save costs and a good way for Tesla to recover development costs and get even more driving data. Win Win.
Jai Hind. Tesla EV like APPLE iPhone had not been innovating much over the last 4 years. Even if the EV prices are the same as Tesla, I will still choose the sexy Xiaomi Su7.
Mobileye is also very good at this and they work with legacy automakers already...
Companies would rather build their own than license FSD. No company wants their data stolen by Tesla.
My only concern that BYD, Xpeng, etc. steal the tech without paying for it.
A good way for tesla/musk to take his cult members money while spending a decade to develop a system that was paid for upfront. A win for Musk and a fleecing of his customers.
🚀🚀🚀🚀🚀
Jai Hind. If he can produce a continuous stream of EV vlogs, I had often wondered if the Electric Viking is a real life humanoid
Sure I would use it. Cheap compared to hiring a driver. To expensive for minimum wage workers.
I think no legacy auto maker is going to license some thing that isn’t perfect Tesla and owners would agree on this AND approved for use in the road and therefore endorsed by the insurance companies and therefore would lead to a reduced premium. If that happens then yes Tesla share price massive upside. Right now this idea is totally ahead of itself
But his claim would be less like false bravado if he weren't INCORRECTLY predicting "real soon now" re FSD (and before that, Autopilot) being "ready" or "robotaxi ready" real soon now, year after year after year.
I paraphrase, and I say that as a patient TSLA long who still values facts and credibility (and patience) above hype.
FSD is similar to Amazon starting to sell books online
It's not Ford.
If ford does that, then puts it in their work vans Boom you will see transit buying Ford Ford ford. So they can do deliveries safer. their competition can use drivers get in more wrecks. good thing they saved on autopilot and the business wont make money while the van is repaired.
Wow Argos Store BlackBerry phones and Nokia phones still exist
Some people choose to study flat earth... Everything is possible.
Toyokia 😮
All the auto brands that didn't go all in on EV'S were Kodak as well remember..whoops that didn't age well.
I think he is right (Musk) the majority of people will prefer to have the car drive them, rather than do it themselves. There will always be a small group that prefers to drive. However I think insurance companies will charge higher premiums for non self driving cars, as those cars will be far more likely to get into accidents. So there will be a cost incentive as well!!!
When will the every day Tesla driver get the software upgrade?
I have Enhanced Autopilot / Vanilla FSD in Spain. Turn it on and off all the time. Beta testers in Barcelona. Won't be long now. A+ EV.
In the Auto industry Tesla is today what Apple was in the tec industry in th 90's and GM Ford and Stellantis are the Nokia, Erickson and Blackberry of yesterday. A tesla is a Smartphone on wheels, and eventually everyone will want to have one!
He’s obviously right. Driving long distances sucks, we are just used to it but if you have the option to buy a car that drives for the same price as a car that doesn’t, you’d have to be stupid to buy the dumb car.
open 3 more giga , hire 30,000 workers to make model 2 , robotaxi , hurryup
Is for self driving legal yet?
Gas pedal hurts my knee
If EV's are a difficult sell, how hard will FSD be?
Poorly designed and over priced like Ford and GM EV's are hard to sell for a very good reason
If FSD worked it would be the easiest sell of all time
Only a matter of time. FSD is going to be a big deal for an aging U.S. population that wants to remain mobile in their later years.
more like nokia was the proto-tesla
Not up to Elon ..the Politico Cons will tell u when it is completed
I do not think so. Politicians allow Waymo to create traffic jams everywhere.
I told you Tesla and Mr Musk are milking it all in 👍
And so it begins no full self driving is not quite there. I think that with Robo taxi, it will be solidified. The program will become, but as I was originally saying this is how (Tesla) is going to approve Legacy auto makers slowly they’re gonna own own a monopoly on the EV market, and nobody will be able to compete
EVs are belly buttons - there is nothing distinct about any of them.
@@timothykeith1367 then why are you here?
They've been saying every year for a decade it's already solved. Don't be dim
long story short,, nokia got this ceo that buried nokia
Nice job, also when governments figure out how much money they’re losing by 30,000 people in the US dying each year and compound that that’s a very big tax number.
Tesla is the next Cisco most likely
0 miles driven autonomous, it's rider assist
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Ford or BYD