EDIT: see below in the pin if you believe denney's DS speed kill changes anything(spoiler, he used crit) Supporter link, your support expires btw don't forget to renew: Creator code: creators.nexon.com/s/vashcowaii%236354?serviceId=74 In general btw, but if you want help on your builds, feel free to join the discord. I may not always help with em personally, and sometimes we're all assholes, but if you can get past that then we've got people like twitter.com/TfdMaths in there always helpin out. REGARDING THE DS SPEED KILL BY DENNEYS: In an unsurprising turn of events, people are discovering crit lepic is good! Who'da thought kekw. Grats to denneys on his DS speed kill, but I think some people are mistakenly going to believe this lends any weight to his critless argument on solo bosses, so I'm gonna copy paste my response to one such commenter: "Yeah and that still doesn't change my argument. He used crit lepics in a scenario where he'll get 30% crit rate maximum with luna due to death stalker's 70% skill crit resist. He is, by proxy on death stalker, creating nearly identical conditions as solo swamp walker, except on swamp lepic gets 38% crit. We literally said in this very video you're better off running crit lepic with a luna in the higher bosses, and if crit lepic is better with even less crit rate there, is there any reason you should believe that crit lepic wouldn't be better than critless lepic here when you have even more crit rate here? He's literally gone and verified my argument against him" I don't get why peeps are surprised when all he's done now is gone and done exactly what I said you do and even adjusted his crit build using logic I discussed in the video. I don't hate him guys, I just think his argument for critless lepic is stupid as hell lol, and I hope you get why. Was a good DS kill tho, so props all the same.
Do you have any advice for yujins first aid mod? I'm asking because the gley players are preventing the info from getting out. I don't know why? With first aid kit the gleys don't have to worry about losing damage because they don't have to pick it up. So some player say singular power heals more or medical support heals more Im using a little of both so I'm not sure what's more effective?
Legit nearly tried the Denney build as it was a new video then I paused as I had Vash in my ear saying STOP, Lepic is a Crit Quadraped. Tx for the confirmation.
"Helldiver! You're the last one on Meridia. We need to collapse this planet into a black hole. Release the sucky suck machine! And return to Democracy's embrace!"
---Very well made structured video about Lepic's playstyle. ---It'll be much appreciated, if you could do a Yujin or Viessa build. ---Probably the only content creator of this game that explains everything so in-depth and straight to the point. Keep it up!
I've no qualms with you as a person, you're no moxsy as you at least try and I recognize that, but I'm not gonna shy away from correcting shit like that when I see it. I've no apologies to give so don't expect one, but if you have a case you'd like to make then make one, but it better be a good case you make as in your own video you made a claim that crit doesn't matter once base power modifiers exceed 1000%(I did listen to you, fully) and that was pretty out there man. You're also welcome to rail on my mistakes in the future in any which way you'd like and that's fair game. Carry on, sir.
@perturabo149 for some reason, they think moxsy took a build or 2 when there is only one way to scale damage... tbh it's bullshit because, like I said, there are only some many ways to make and build, and because one person makes one doesn't mean another person can't make a build that won't look similar. It's very gatekeepy imo.
@@BigRedeemer I agree there isn't much verity in building other than some descendants using Passionate sponsor or a full shield set up, even in the borderlands community I'd see moxsy get a lot of hate for generally no reason it seems other than he doesn't know how to properly make builds, idk just seems like people will always have a content creator in a space to hate like I do with Datto from Destiny 2
In a world where everyone wants to be the first one to "come up" with a build without checking all their data first, I will 100% will trust and consume content from someone that has done the work and proves their claims with factual data. I would much rather see quality content that 3 or 4 videos of "updates" on the same builds because of new findings, meaning they never check their info to begin. And @vash has invited others to fact-check him on his work, and I have yet to see anyone do it. I'm really excited to see your weapon builds and be able to understand the math behind it better.
cant wait to see all the "crit -less" hailey's XDDDDDD on another note, i created a crit-less 400% dungeon valby with hydro pressure bomb transcendent mod build and it actually slaps face BUT i also utilize the every loving shnit out of the peacemaker gun in order to increase her dps (obviously) and no, she's not as good as freyna but she's WAY more engaging and fun to play.
Valby should only be building Crit with Supply Moisture. As that gives her a base of 25%. Without Supply Moisture though, she only has a Base of 5% and should be building Crit-less. So if using any other mods, this would be the way to go. Some people really like her jumping nuke for mobbing. It's not the highest DPS she can do, but is fun and the right way to build with that mod should be Crit-less.
Im in no rush to see it but it would be cool to see an Ajax damage and bubble build in a future vid. Some of us bagged milk drinkers still need are hands held through simple stuff lol. Anyway love it man keep up the good work
Saw the video about non-crit Lepic and was like, “why”. My ULT Lepic can solo all the bosses and then one phase every boss up until the last couple without a problem. No need to reinvent the wheel for him. His crit numbers are good and if you get a colossi/crit damage reactor you are golden. Someone talking about struggling to kill pyro when I can wipe him in under 10 seconds every time is pointless. Just run the standard hard hitting Lepic build until super late game bosses and swap to Yujin, Ajax, or Enzo for consistency.
Okay, I'm officially having you as my tfd creator guy, I've never enjoyed and laughed so much at TH-cam Vidz, I can't wait for the other character guides, super excited!!!!!
Thanks again. Would still like to see your take on viessa. I invested in critless mods on her for the purposes of testing and am fairly certain crit outperforms by a wide margin. I tested on absolute zero, cold blooded and cold watch snap. I should probably start using your website instead of eating resources for in-game testing. Maybe one day we will have a chill descendant that can use them.
Then get footage of it triggering faster than 5.5 seconds, because that is what I can prove as the interval between when you take damage and when it comes back.
You know what? I like when creator talk or critisize each other. This should be there much more often, I know some from the Asian region who always think their builds are the best and all others are wrong. ;)
I am generally of the same belief. There's no reason to hold everyone's hand, lets as a community get the best info possible and call out what you see wrong as you see it.
0 crit lepic can be interesting if you want to use his ult for mobs. Because crit takes many modules slots its complicated. For mobing you want a lots of utility modules, so saving slots by using raw damage and adding utility is cool. But in term of pure damage for bossing i dont see how 0 crit could be better than crit with such high numbers. Its classic case of people dont know shit
Yeah and that still doesn't change my argument. He used crit lepics in a scenario where he'll get 30% crit rate maximum with luna due to death stalker's 70% skill crit resist. He is, by proxy on death stalker, creating nearly identical conditions as solo swamp walker, except on swamp lepic gets 38% crit. We literally said in this very video you're better off running crit lepic with a luna in the higher bosses, and if crit lepic is better with even less crit rate there, is there any reason you should believe that crit lepic wouldn't be better than critless lepic here when you have even more crit rate here? He's literally gone and verified my argument against him
Thank you for this video! Yesterday I got paired on Frost Walker public matchmaking constantly with a Lepic that just couldn't stop yapping about non-crit Lepic. While I swam through the sea of Bunnies, Ajax and that guy I tried explaining that he shouldn't dump a bunch of catalysts for that build. Now I just need to point people like him towards this channel!
Sadly some people aren't gonna be convinced on this topic. I've already run into a few that refuse to learn and can't provide any evidence to prove me wrong here either, they just wanna feel that way and there's legit nothing we can do about it.
There's no one else in this platform that I trust this much for builds as you Vash, thx for the content for real, it made my experience on the game much better
The only times lepic has good mobbing in 400% is when you have a void zone unknown lab is a great example which from what ive seen is 99% of the time perfectly safe to throw enemies in exp and score is still added and loot spawns where the enemies picked up from which is the still the case if you manually kill them before they touch the floor again , or hes good when using overkill ofcourse which is why i personally run 80% cooldown on him for 16s downtime
I'm confused about the inclusion of Maximize Power. You said in the previous video that Spear & Shield is good because it affects Skill Power instead of the 2,760% modifier of Lepic's ultimate. Wouldn't that make Maximize Skill a better pick than Maximize Power? I guess the assumption didn't change seeing as how S&S is still in the build. Edit: Literally 2 seconds after I posted this I looked at the skill tags and saw that "Maximize Skill" is a "Battle" module and conflicts with Fire Specialist, whereas "Maximize Power" is an Attack module and would only conflict with "Technician" which isn't in the build. So sorry for the dumb question I guess.
Sorry but I am going to need a in depth math video on how the slayer set works. I have tried endlessly googling why the set is so good compared to other sets and I am just not convinced on why I should run it over my all "HP stat roll components because the boss won't stop going for me when my 3 teammates are right there" set.
4 piece slayer gives 26.1 Skill damage %. Everything else gives either lower percentages of a specific element, skill Modifier which is less damage than skill %, small amounts of gun damage % or no damage boosts at all. The closest in strength to the Slayer set is the Distorted Resolve set from Death Stalker but that is for Toxic only and for a very specific Freyna build at that. Edit: If you just run guns (Example Enzo) then yes, the Slayer set isn't the best set for you.
@@WoAcct0 Pretty much. You can slap together some different 2 piece sets for quality of life stuff but if you are running skills nothing beats Slayer for damage.
If you're unfamiliar with the math btw I'd recommend watching the skill power and reactors vid I made. I don't explicitly talk about why slayer is good there, but the general math will help you understand WHY it's so good, but otherwise yeah the other sets are kinda shite at the moment, slayer is way too strong
Naz Tech Reactor Gold Tech roll Purple Fire power ratio Is what I’m rocking I can’t get a good tech/colossus 🥲least it’s good for mobbing but I can’t tell if the no colossus attack is what’s holding my lepic back from one phasing swamp or I’m just bad 🥲😂
Did I miss something? What happened to skill duration reactor + battle of stamina instead of spear and shield? I guess it’s just a numbers thing, 6.667% more dmg (8%/1.2) x 6.42% more dmg (8.1%/1.261) I can see it being more than one more tic per shot and one more shot, but the difference has to be miniscule, no? I guess it’s good to know I have more options now for a good reactor, cause I still need to get a better one :/
BoS was good in perfect conditions when we undervalued the AOE field ticks of overkills shots. But that was undervalued, that's why last time I had to add info to the pinned comment, and that's why in this vid I mentioned they were undervalued last time. BoS is still good in conditions where you NEED more HP for some reason as well, but for solo boss farming you're better off just committing to damage as we mention here.
@@VashCowaii it’s also already hard to get mp for 18 shots, so i guess there’s that, but yeah, duration reactor + BoS makes the dot tick for one more round. Nvm, i should just do the maths xdd, i believe without dur + BoS its 14 ticks, so its a 15/14 - 1 = 7.1% dmg increase but ONLY to the dot and the extra shot, even if you do it, 19/18 - 1 = 5.5556% dmg increase, so both numbers are lower than the tech + spear and shield numbers AND one of them is not even total shot dmg increase and the other one is really hard to get. Well, good to know i need a new reactor. I mean, i needed to farm anyways cause my collossi + duration had purple collossi dmg anayways, so yeah. For a mathematician i really dont like doing the numbers myself XDD Tbf i hadnt had my morning coffee yet, thx anyways :)
I love that you make bagged milk jokes. This is a thing I been giving my Canadian gaming friends grief for years now. Now playing this game and you too piling it on is fantastic.
@@VashCowaii same my friend don’t even have bagged milk. But every time there is like an argument or something I end it with something like “don’t listen to him he gets milk in bags” or something 😂
So, the Mobbing Build has Maximize Conservations and Maximize Range. That should be a -40 Base Skill Power Modifier, but the screen shows -20. I'd always figured it wasn't a good idea to lose 40% Power Modifier and I don't see anything offsetting the other -20. What am I missing?
How much is damaged lost in a group play versus damage increase in solo play during a Collosi boss fight? I assume the Lepic builds towards the end are more for solo play than group play. There doesn't seem to be many videos showcasing group play where the damage scales according to how many are in a party. How would you increase your damage in group play to match or even have a close enough damage numbers similar to playing solo during a Collosus fight?
Lepic still does stellar group damage. It's obviously best if you can run with a team you know can guaranteed one phase the boss before a frenzy, but on something like frost walker in particular that is almost guaranteed in public groups. Once you get to Gluttony or DS you pretty much need to run in a premade team if you're gonna do lepic though, and people have already shown crit lepic with a support can do wonders there.
Well i got baited lol thanks for showing me the correct build, will you be doing weapon builds any time soon i keep seeing enduring legacy builds but i have no idea what ones are actually good
love the fact your calling the BS , to many people on to many discords 'who do builds' don't know what they are talking about and no amount of trying to face them in the right direction helps . I always face them to your builds and math .
Is there something about targeting on the colossus that you're not covering? I am using your build, full Slayer with gold MP, Naz reactor with gold colossus and gold crit rate, and in 2 dozen runs, Swamp Walker always goes immune with ~10-50% health left.
Have you tried what he said in the beginning and hold the trigger when you are roll canceling? Cause he does mention the way Lepic's ult targets weakspots is super random.
probably stupid question and maybe i missed a video but i don't understand the discussion around intentionally missing weakpoints to avoid frenzy (or more specifically why you want to miss weakpoints)
breaking weakpoints can end whatever animation a boss was in and force them to go straight into frenzy when you would have normally had more time to shoot and force them to get staggered and go down
I don't understand why they didn't go the warframe route, by making unique weapons separately moddable. It's not explained in the game anywhere how it works. (if I'm correct)
Idk if you recall but warframe started like this too. It was at least 6 or 7 years before they adopted separately modded exalted weapons. You are correct though that in the overwhelming majority of cases, this game does not explain it, but neither did wf. I do wish they'd go that route too though, eventually, but I think there are much much bigger issues for them to address first
Question i have is i used ur bunny farm build and then tried power stance i havent notice a change and went back to your farm build is that mod worth it or would u be better off using mods thst flst out buff skill and element damage?
i saw a freyna build using Venom Synthesis. freyna tryna be valby. a lepic build with fast ult cooldown. why u need cooldown if you can kill in 1 burst. "oh you have fast cooldown? wait for my rage phase to end" 😅
The exact way in which frenzy can be built via weakpoint breaks, not damage, isn't fully understood yet. But at a minimum, if you get a break then you interrupt the animation they weren't going to frenzy in the middle of, and because you interrupted them if you have the bar filled they'll just go right into frenzy. Partly due to animation locks, partly something else we haven't fully figured out yet.
Dangerous ambush immobile has about 60% uptime, as such spear is better. If the uptime changes, fire syncytium CAN be better, but it depends on where that uptime falls. Not mentioned in the video and it isn't live on the site yet, but I've added Ambush uptime sliders so we can see stuff like this going forward.
@@VashCowaii Could you explain that to me like I'm five? From what I understand Fire skill power and normal skill power are different buckets. If we activate dangerous ambush we increase the normal sp bucket, meaning that spear and shield is a smaller portion of the overall dmg and an increase in the other bucket would be better. Similar question regarding maximize skill, why is the lower fire skill power valued higher, even tho in the example above the higher fire skill power is valued lower? Hope this isn't too confusing, thank you very much for your vids :)
This is why knowledge is power, Not saying that the other creator is 100% baddie but could stand to learn more and so could a ton of other damn fools playing TFD. We all know who we talking about you see them sometimes in your 400% mission they do no damage can't survive a single hit, And are repeatedly downed every 10 secs. Hell I had to show a friend that thought crit frenya was a great idea, That it was the dumbest Idea I have ever heard. Sure you can do it but frankly a Non crit build will not only be more survivable but also pull slightly more damage with the right mods. So that is the biggest take away Not everything is amazing with non crit because not every descendant is the same, Look at there kit understand the outcomes and for dear god have the right mods or even the slightest mod change can have wildly different outcomes sometimes.
I'm confused, in your hailey video you said that 4 crit mods is a damage loss because of the "crit cap" at like 83% or something like that. So why 4 crit mods on Lepic? I know they're different descendants with different stats and whatnot but that doesn't change the crit cap at all. Unless I misunderstood the video.
the thing about Denneys is he will always care for the people that support him - his community is like no other and yours is just fostered on hating other creators who overall do it better than you. this bs won’t take you far in the long run ! best of luck
Denney is a cool guy and much better than Moxsy (Fauxy?), but Vash is the father of build making; a lot of people copy his builds and wait for him to make builds so they can make their videos.
you will find out on sunday probably. I already have their math all done, and code constructed for the calculator, but I'm probably not gonna start workin on the vid until sunday so it's just a matter of whether I finish sunday or monday
Noo it doesn't. I actually can't find it and its driving me insane. I swear there was a change in lineup to x4 RU's Lepics killing DS faster. Now theres this "WR" eyes roll meme to me. Regardless, true facts. Blunt, keep it up.
afaik this is how it has worked since I made the first lepic vid. It's not that your MP drain increases, specifically, when you get hit, it's only that you lose the MP in combat bonuses, which in the end does make it look like your MP drain is worse after getting hit
@@VashCowaii I need to review old footage but I think there is something going on here because before this patch I had a hailey gun build that even regened mp while 3 was on but since the sept 26th patch it just doesnt work, early hailey vids also shows the drain not changing after getting hit but I gotta check if they have the mp reg in combat on their sensor But probably not, idk anymore, this fucking game sometimes
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EDIT: see below in the pin if you believe denney's DS speed kill changes anything(spoiler, he used crit)
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In general btw, but if you want help on your builds, feel free to join the discord. I may not always help with em personally, and sometimes we're all assholes, but if you can get past that then we've got people like twitter.com/TfdMaths in there always helpin out.
REGARDING THE DS SPEED KILL BY DENNEYS:
In an unsurprising turn of events, people are discovering crit lepic is good! Who'da thought kekw.
Grats to denneys on his DS speed kill, but I think some people are mistakenly going to believe this lends any weight to his critless argument on solo bosses, so I'm gonna copy paste my response to one such commenter:
"Yeah and that still doesn't change my argument. He used crit lepics in a scenario where he'll get 30% crit rate maximum with luna due to death stalker's 70% skill crit resist. He is, by proxy on death stalker, creating nearly identical conditions as solo swamp walker, except on swamp lepic gets 38% crit. We literally said in this very video you're better off running crit lepic with a luna in the higher bosses, and if crit lepic is better with even less crit rate there, is there any reason you should believe that crit lepic wouldn't be better than critless lepic here when you have even more crit rate here?
He's literally gone and verified my argument against him"
I don't get why peeps are surprised when all he's done now is gone and done exactly what I said you do and even adjusted his crit build using logic I discussed in the video. I don't hate him guys, I just think his argument for critless lepic is stupid as hell lol, and I hope you get why. Was a good DS kill tho, so props all the same.
please do ultimate viessa builds next
Do you have any advice for yujins first aid mod? I'm asking because the gley players are preventing the info from getting out. I don't know why? With first aid kit the gleys don't have to worry about losing damage because they don't have to pick it up. So some player say singular power heals more or medical support heals more Im using a little of both so I'm not sure what's more effective?
Bro, please slap Dennys for me. The dude is autistic in a bad way, misinformation central.
For every game there is always one creator that gets copied but only casually mentioned in those vids. In this game it’s you.
Yeah, it's honestly putting me off from this game and its community.
Mosxy just straight up steals Vash shit all the time. Dude is a clown
@@Im-Red-Factionhe's probably cleaning his tears with the money that he gets from his video's lmaoooo
@@DanteSparda66VI probably
@@DanteSparda66VI probably
I enjoy watching other creators, but when it comes to mastering a build, Vash is the only one I will listen to.
I just tried Dennys build. Its not bad at all. And I like them as a creator greatly. But when Vash throws a Fix video up...I'm there. And I listen.
@@bigt8746 when vash talks we all sit down and listen
thanks man!
The goat @@DenneysYT
I was just here for the ending pronunciation correction. Came over here from some others recommending you. Great stuff and thanks for all your help!
Legit nearly tried the Denney build as it was a new video then I paused as I had Vash in my ear saying STOP, Lepic is a Crit Quadraped. Tx for the confirmation.
If you actually pictured the dog then that is impressive
Moxsy pin coming in hot : ''guiz don't play 0-crit Lepan''! video tomorrow!
Shots fired!
You know it’s true
Its insane that he tests things for hours but then when he makes the video he just straight up copies, what a phony right
😂😂
Give him a few days. Then he will release it.
The only TFD content creator who knows what he is talking about!
I still screw up sometimes too man
ah yes, the sucky suck grenade
BROTHER I REQUIRE THE SUCKY SUCK
"Helldiver! You're the last one on Meridia. We need to collapse this planet into a black hole. Release the sucky suck machine! And return to Democracy's embrace!"
I just want to say thank you @Vash Cowaii for giving us such in-depth guides!!!
---Very well made structured video about Lepic's playstyle.
---It'll be much appreciated, if you could do a Yujin or Viessa build.
---Probably the only content creator of this game that explains everything so in-depth and straight to the point. Keep it up!
:o
It's alright bro, we all make mistakes.
I've no qualms with you as a person, you're no moxsy as you at least try and I recognize that, but I'm not gonna shy away from correcting shit like that when I see it. I've no apologies to give so don't expect one, but if you have a case you'd like to make then make one, but it better be a good case you make as in your own video you made a claim that crit doesn't matter once base power modifiers exceed 1000%(I did listen to you, fully) and that was pretty out there man. You're also welcome to rail on my mistakes in the future in any which way you'd like and that's fair game.
Carry on, sir.
@@VashCowaii"you are no moxsy" ? can you explain it for those who don't know, like myself
@perturabo149 for some reason, they think moxsy took a build or 2 when there is only one way to scale damage... tbh it's bullshit because, like I said, there are only some many ways to make and build, and because one person makes one doesn't mean another person can't make a build that won't look similar. It's very gatekeepy imo.
@@BigRedeemer I agree there isn't much verity in building other than some descendants using Passionate sponsor or a full shield set up, even in the borderlands community I'd see moxsy get a lot of hate for generally no reason it seems other than he doesn't know how to properly make builds, idk just seems like people will always have a content creator in a space to hate like I do with Datto from Destiny 2
Thank you for this video. For someone like me that doesn't have a lot of time to play/grind? This helps so much!
In a world where everyone wants to be the first one to "come up" with a build without checking all their data first, I will 100% will trust and consume content from someone that has done the work and proves their claims with factual data. I would much rather see quality content that 3 or 4 videos of "updates" on the same builds because of new findings, meaning they never check their info to begin. And @vash has invited others to fact-check him on his work, and I have yet to see anyone do it. I'm really excited to see your weapon builds and be able to understand the math behind it better.
I was about to type that I make mistakes too, but then I read the rest of your comment and you already seem to get that. So ty for the kind words
cant wait to see all the "crit -less" hailey's XDDDDDD on another note, i created a crit-less 400% dungeon valby with hydro pressure bomb transcendent mod build and it actually slaps face BUT i also utilize the every loving shnit out of the peacemaker gun in order to increase her dps (obviously) and no, she's not as good as freyna but she's WAY more engaging and fun to play.
oh please no
@VashCowaii Lmao is Valby someone you want to cover eventually? Would enjoy seeing your perspective on her.
"critless hailey" sounds cursed even just by reading it
Valby should only be building Crit with Supply Moisture. As that gives her a base of 25%.
Without Supply Moisture though, she only has a Base of 5% and should be building Crit-less. So if using any other mods, this would be the way to go. Some people really like her jumping nuke for mobbing. It's not the highest DPS she can do, but is fun and the right way to build with that mod should be Crit-less.
@@blackkat101 yeah, the mod is called hydro pressure bomb, i stated as such.
"Lofi-loving jayber main" HAHAHAHAHA!!!
by far the best content creator online. hilarious and intelligent. love your vids
Vash should put out a complete Troll build video. See how many of the gimps repost or do their “own” video.
You have no idea how many times I have considered doing this but can't bring myself to lie to you guys purely for the sake of baiting another dumbass
Im in no rush to see it but it would be cool to see an Ajax damage and bubble build in a future vid. Some of us bagged milk drinkers still need are hands held through simple stuff lol. Anyway love it man keep up the good work
The second I saw that Denneys video I was waiting for the response 💀
Ikr 😂😂😂 I was losing brain cells seeing people in the comments copying the build
Him and moxsy just rip Vash off. Mainly Moxsy
Yall weird the dude gives credit it’s not hard for creators to make they own builds
@@hostbug1461 the zero crit frenya and bunny he didn’t 😂 literally word for word the same build that Vash did
Blair Critless build sooo good.
Been waiting on this ! Thanks ! 🎉
father, when will you let me out of the bagged milk dungeon? I don't want anymore...
*turns on the lofi*
NEVER
Nice timing, just got ultimate lepic yesterday
Saw the video about non-crit Lepic and was like, “why”. My ULT Lepic can solo all the bosses and then one phase every boss up until the last couple without a problem. No need to reinvent the wheel for him. His crit numbers are good and if you get a colossi/crit damage reactor you are golden. Someone talking about struggling to kill pyro when I can wipe him in under 10 seconds every time is pointless. Just run the standard hard hitting Lepic build until super late game bosses and swap to Yujin, Ajax, or Enzo for consistency.
I’m glad you’re doing this; yes that video was BS!
Okay, I'm officially having you as my tfd creator guy, I've never enjoyed and laughed so much at TH-cam Vidz, I can't wait for the other character guides, super excited!!!!!
Thanks again. Would still like to see your take on viessa. I invested in critless mods on her for the purposes of testing and am fairly certain crit outperforms by a wide margin. I tested on absolute zero, cold blooded and cold watch snap. I should probably start using your website instead of eating resources for in-game testing. Maybe one day we will have a chill descendant that can use them.
I think Freyna is a pretty chill descendant. Oh wait you meant that other kind of Chill.
It's hereeee! Thanks for the video! Big fan, coming from Remnant 2.
Also, will you do any gun builds?
Guns soon-ish. Still working on the calc code for them
Out of combatbat regen kicks in alot quicker than you think
Then get footage of it triggering faster than 5.5 seconds, because that is what I can prove as the interval between when you take damage and when it comes back.
You know what? I like when creator talk or critisize each other. This should be there much more often, I know some from the Asian region who always think their builds are the best and all others are wrong. ;)
I am generally of the same belief. There's no reason to hold everyone's hand, lets as a community get the best info possible and call out what you see wrong as you see it.
0 crit lepic can be interesting if you want to use his ult for mobs.
Because crit takes many modules slots its complicated.
For mobing you want a lots of utility modules, so saving slots by using raw damage and adding utility is cool.
But in term of pure damage for bossing i dont see how 0 crit could be better than crit with such high numbers.
Its classic case of people dont know shit
Dennys just posted a video showing hes killing with 3 lepics and 1 luna in 23sec
Yeah and that still doesn't change my argument. He used crit lepics in a scenario where he'll get 30% crit rate maximum with luna due to death stalker's 70% skill crit resist. He is, by proxy on death stalker, creating nearly identical conditions as solo swamp walker, except on swamp lepic gets 38% crit. We literally said in this very video you're better off running crit lepic with a luna in the higher bosses, and if crit lepic is better with even less crit rate there, is there any reason you should believe that crit lepic wouldn't be better than critless lepic here when you have even more crit rate here?
He's literally gone and verified my argument against him
@@VashCowaii yes exactly..
@@arpanConYT ah kk my b then, I thought you were trying to defend him with that, I was like bro ain’t no way
Now i fixed all my descendants. I only need to fix and optimize my grilfriend. Thanks
gonna be hard to help you there, but I can try
Thank you for this video! Yesterday I got paired on Frost Walker public matchmaking constantly with a Lepic that just couldn't stop yapping about non-crit Lepic. While I swam through the sea of Bunnies, Ajax and that guy I tried explaining that he shouldn't dump a bunch of catalysts for that build. Now I just need to point people like him towards this channel!
Sadly some people aren't gonna be convinced on this topic. I've already run into a few that refuse to learn and can't provide any evidence to prove me wrong here either, they just wanna feel that way and there's legit nothing we can do about it.
There's no one else in this platform that I trust this much for builds as you Vash, thx for the content for real, it made my experience on the game much better
I been waiting for this, man, thank you!
Vash you gotta set the record straight on what builds power increase is good for because there is way to much misinformation out there now.
it's really dependent on both the build and your dangerous ambush uptime
All the jayber mains being read to filth 😂
I can't recall ever seeing a Jayber in game outside of kingston Albion Defense and then even only 2 or 3 times
Outside the npc you mean?
the npc comment is seriously amazing, just remembered it and started laughing again god damnit
The only times lepic has good mobbing in 400% is when you have a void zone unknown lab is a great example which from what ive seen is 99% of the time perfectly safe to throw enemies in exp and score is still added and loot spawns where the enemies picked up from which is the still the case if you manually kill them before they touch the floor again , or hes good when using overkill ofcourse which is why i personally run 80% cooldown on him for 16s downtime
I'm confused about the inclusion of Maximize Power. You said in the previous video that Spear & Shield is good because it affects Skill Power instead of the 2,760% modifier of Lepic's ultimate. Wouldn't that make Maximize Skill a better pick than Maximize Power? I guess the assumption didn't change seeing as how S&S is still in the build.
Edit: Literally 2 seconds after I posted this I looked at the skill tags and saw that "Maximize Skill" is a "Battle" module and conflicts with Fire Specialist, whereas "Maximize Power" is an Attack module and would only conflict with "Technician" which isn't in the build. So sorry for the dumb question I guess.
no worries man
What about Valby? 0 crit suits better for her? Hope some day you can cover Viessa and Valby, you're by far the best TFD content creator
Can you do Luna build next?
I've recently main her but my build is not yet optimized.
Great content!
Thanks thanks thanks for bringing clarity.
Sorry but I am going to need a in depth math video on how the slayer set works. I have tried endlessly googling why the set is so good compared to other sets and I am just not convinced on why I should run it over my all "HP stat roll components because the boss won't stop going for me when my 3 teammates are right there" set.
4 piece slayer gives 26.1 Skill damage %. Everything else gives either lower percentages of a specific element, skill Modifier which is less damage than skill %, small amounts of gun damage % or no damage boosts at all. The closest in strength to the Slayer set is the Distorted Resolve set from Death Stalker but that is for Toxic only and for a very specific Freyna build at that. Edit: If you just run guns (Example Enzo) then yes, the Slayer set isn't the best set for you.
@@dacks3375 I see, so it more of a "run this because everything else is bad" kind of thing instead of a "run this or the build won't work"?
@@WoAcct0 Pretty much. You can slap together some different 2 piece sets for quality of life stuff but if you are running skills nothing beats Slayer for damage.
If you're unfamiliar with the math btw I'd recommend watching the skill power and reactors vid I made. I don't explicitly talk about why slayer is good there, but the general math will help you understand WHY it's so good, but otherwise yeah the other sets are kinda shite at the moment, slayer is way too strong
Hey! You leave the JayberHood alone! He’s doing his best! 🤣
Naz Tech Reactor
Gold Tech roll
Purple Fire power ratio
Is what I’m rocking
I can’t get a good tech/colossus 🥲least it’s good for mobbing but I can’t tell if the no colossus attack is what’s holding my lepic back from one phasing swamp or I’m just bad 🥲😂
It is the no Colossus atk which is holding u back
What's next? Crit-less Blair?
Thank you for the content...swear you and Fallout Plays (D2 content creator) are related.
I never understand why people say this, it's not the first time
Did I miss something? What happened to skill duration reactor + battle of stamina instead of spear and shield?
I guess it’s just a numbers thing, 6.667% more dmg (8%/1.2) x 6.42% more dmg (8.1%/1.261) I can see it being more than one more tic per shot and one more shot, but the difference has to be miniscule, no?
I guess it’s good to know I have more options now for a good reactor, cause I still need to get a better one :/
BoS was good in perfect conditions when we undervalued the AOE field ticks of overkills shots. But that was undervalued, that's why last time I had to add info to the pinned comment, and that's why in this vid I mentioned they were undervalued last time. BoS is still good in conditions where you NEED more HP for some reason as well, but for solo boss farming you're better off just committing to damage as we mention here.
@@VashCowaii it’s also already hard to get mp for 18 shots, so i guess there’s that, but yeah, duration reactor + BoS makes the dot tick for one more round.
Nvm, i should just do the maths xdd, i believe without dur + BoS its 14 ticks, so its a 15/14 - 1 = 7.1% dmg increase but ONLY to the dot and the extra shot, even if you do it, 19/18 - 1 = 5.5556% dmg increase, so both numbers are lower than the tech + spear and shield numbers AND one of them is not even total shot dmg increase and the other one is really hard to get.
Well, good to know i need a new reactor.
I mean, i needed to farm anyways cause my collossi + duration had purple collossi dmg anayways, so yeah.
For a mathematician i really dont like doing the numbers myself XDD
Tbf i hadnt had my morning coffee yet, thx anyways :)
Sinsishem? I barely know 'im 🤔
lofi-loving jayber main, here. i love denneyss like a mother loves her special needs child.
I love that you make bagged milk jokes. This is a thing I been giving my Canadian gaming friends grief for years now. Now playing this game and you too piling it on is fantastic.
I have a canadian friend who lives in the normal part of canada and bagged milk has been a joke between us for some time.
@@VashCowaii same my friend don’t even have bagged milk. But every time there is like an argument or something I end it with something like “don’t listen to him he gets milk in bags” or something 😂
So, the Mobbing Build has Maximize Conservations and Maximize Range. That should be a -40 Base Skill Power Modifier, but the screen shows -20. I'd always figured it wasn't a good idea to lose 40% Power Modifier and I don't see anything offsetting the other -20. What am I missing?
Overclock gives 20% and the calculator can account for that unless you toggle it off
@@VashCowaii Thanks! Good stuff. I love when there's math to back up a build.
i didn't know what to do when the build came up because i'm a lofi lover but a jayber hater. help?
There is no saving you, not from the lofi jayber
I dont have a doubt that someday we will see a youtuber making and convincing to use 0 crit build on sharen and blair
ok, if that happens, its brain damage
people are already trying to make an argument for hailey
I’ll stick to the my crit build. I’m killing intercept bosses just as fast.
How much is damaged lost in a group play versus damage increase in solo play during a Collosi boss fight? I assume the Lepic builds towards the end are more for solo play than group play.
There doesn't seem to be many videos showcasing group play where the damage scales according to how many are in a party. How would you increase your damage in group play to match or even have a close enough damage numbers similar to playing solo during a Collosus fight?
Lepic still does stellar group damage. It's obviously best if you can run with a team you know can guaranteed one phase the boss before a frenzy, but on something like frost walker in particular that is almost guaranteed in public groups. Once you get to Gluttony or DS you pretty much need to run in a premade team if you're gonna do lepic though, and people have already shown crit lepic with a support can do wonders there.
Well i got baited lol thanks for showing me the correct build, will you be doing weapon builds any time soon i keep seeing enduring legacy builds but i have no idea what ones are actually good
Weapons are soon-ish but not yet. Still building out the weapon's side of the site and their math.
@@VashCowaii excellent thank you ☺️
love the fact your calling the BS , to many people on to many discords 'who do builds' don't know what they are talking about and no amount of trying to face them in the right direction helps . I always face them to your builds and math .
Facts
I still make mistakes too man, but yeah I def know what you mean when it comes to people refusing to learn
4:24 It’s jover- rip Gojo
swamp should die consistenly with ur reactor just having 2550 colo atk - 2nd roll get anything
Is there something about targeting on the colossus that you're not covering? I am using your build, full Slayer with gold MP, Naz reactor with gold colossus and gold crit rate, and in 2 dozen runs, Swamp Walker always goes immune with ~10-50% health left.
Have you tried what he said in the beginning and hold the trigger when you are roll canceling? Cause he does mention the way Lepic's ult targets weakspots is super random.
Love the candid openess, underated or underdog both descriptions work, your theory and builds are based keep up the good work.
Is the new crit mod worth using at all ? Also what are to break point to crit, 20%? Saw some vid on crit valby with the red mod
Depends entirely on the character and both their crit rate as well as their base crit damage
probably stupid question and maybe i missed a video but i don't understand the discussion around intentionally missing weakpoints to avoid frenzy (or more specifically why you want to miss weakpoints)
breaking weakpoints can end whatever animation a boss was in and force them to go straight into frenzy when you would have normally had more time to shoot and force them to get staggered and go down
I don’t know what I’m doing at all in this game and it’s sad
I don't understand why they didn't go the warframe route, by making unique weapons separately moddable. It's not explained in the game anywhere how it works. (if I'm correct)
Idk if you recall but warframe started like this too. It was at least 6 or 7 years before they adopted separately modded exalted weapons. You are correct though that in the overwhelming majority of cases, this game does not explain it, but neither did wf.
I do wish they'd go that route too though, eventually, but I think there are much much bigger issues for them to address first
I see both of them channels and them mentioning each other is wild lol
Question what about fire power ratio over tech ratio because that would affect overclock as well as overkill rather than just overkill with tech?
I'd go watch my vid on skill power and reactors, will help answer that question
VashCowaii is just on a whole other level with his builds and game knowledge
I LOVE THIS !!! NUMBERS DO NOT LIE!!! Keep up the good work my G 👍👍👍
I didnt notice you mention which weapon is best only that it's green ammo, any that are better than others or is it just safe to use nazeistras
So long as you get the mods on there, yeah that's fine
thank you so much for your inclusion of the proper pronunciation of syncytium at the end, that made my day.
Question i have is i used ur bunny farm build and then tried power stance i havent notice a change and went back to your farm build is that mod worth it or would u be better off using mods thst flst out buff skill and element damage?
i saw a freyna build using Venom Synthesis. freyna tryna be valby. a lepic build with fast ult cooldown. why u need cooldown if you can kill in 1 burst. "oh you have fast cooldown? wait for my rage phase to end" 😅
we literally said it's for when you aren't gonna be killing in one burst
@@VashCowaii nah its not your lepic coz you one bursting swamp walker here.
You simply don't need Lepic at the moment... Freyna and Hailey settle.
Some people like to play Lepic and multiple characters
@@Ccubed92 Of course, some like to play Luna....
idk why but i always frenzy bosses with my lepic.
I also don't know why
Hi, how the ambush be a gain, when the boss takes the 1rst hits, it will immediatly notice. Does that not cancel the ambush effect?...
Ambush has 2 effects if you look closely. One is for no-target, and the other is for when the boss is downed
Bless u author
Hi from Russia:)
So wait... How does weakpoint damage affect frenzy? I thought it was based on damage.
The exact way in which frenzy can be built via weakpoint breaks, not damage, isn't fully understood yet. But at a minimum, if you get a break then you interrupt the animation they weren't going to frenzy in the middle of, and because you interrupted them if you have the bar filled they'll just go right into frenzy.
Partly due to animation locks, partly something else we haven't fully figured out yet.
@@VashCowaii I hate opaque game mechanics...
Thumbnail missing cat. Truly Sad times 😢
WAS TRYIN TO BE SERIOUS THIS VID OK, CAT THUMBNAIL NEXT WEEK
Very suspicious, no cat. Think Vash might be being held hostage. Say critless Hailey 3x if your in duress.
Wouldn't Fire Syncytium be better than Spear and Shield?
Dangerous ambush immobile has about 60% uptime, as such spear is better. If the uptime changes, fire syncytium CAN be better, but it depends on where that uptime falls.
Not mentioned in the video and it isn't live on the site yet, but I've added Ambush uptime sliders so we can see stuff like this going forward.
@@VashCowaii I see. The increase is small before boss goes down. So if spear and shield benefits dangerous ambush a lot more then yeah.
@@VashCowaii Could you explain that to me like I'm five? From what I understand Fire skill power and normal skill power are different buckets. If we activate dangerous ambush we increase the normal sp bucket, meaning that spear and shield is a smaller portion of the overall dmg and an increase in the other bucket would be better.
Similar question regarding maximize skill, why is the lower fire skill power valued higher, even tho in the example above the higher fire skill power is valued lower?
Hope this isn't too confusing, thank you very much for your vids :)
This is why knowledge is power, Not saying that the other creator is 100% baddie but could stand to learn more and so could a ton of other damn fools playing TFD. We all know who we talking about you see them sometimes in your 400% mission they do no damage can't survive a single hit, And are repeatedly downed every 10 secs. Hell I had to show a friend that thought crit frenya was a great idea, That it was the dumbest Idea I have ever heard. Sure you can do it but frankly a Non crit build will not only be more survivable but also pull slightly more damage with the right mods. So that is the biggest take away Not everything is amazing with non crit because not every descendant is the same, Look at there kit understand the outcomes and for dear god have the right mods or even the slightest mod change can have wildly different outcomes sometimes.
I'm confused, in your hailey video you said that 4 crit mods is a damage loss because of the "crit cap" at like 83% or something like that. So why 4 crit mods on Lepic? I know they're different descendants with different stats and whatnot but that doesn't change the crit cap at all. Unless I misunderstood the video.
I'm heading to sleep but go watch the vid on crit resist. I made a dedicated one right after the hailey vid, I talk about it there
Hailey can hit the crit cap with her 3rd ability in play. Lepic doesn't have that so he needs the fourth crit mod for maximum potential
@@Callibys Ooooo. I completely forgot about her 3rd ability. This makes sense now. Thank you.
@@EddyCantillo you're welcome. It can be a lot to remember
the thing about Denneys is he will always care for the people that support him - his community is like no other and yours is just fostered on hating other creators who overall do it better than you. this bs won’t take you far in the long run ! best of luck
Denney is a cool guy and much better than Moxsy (Fauxy?), but Vash is the father of build making; a lot of people copy his builds and wait for him to make builds so they can make their videos.
@@c.c.2249he’s the father to u 🤡
k lol
Jayber mains rise up! xP
NOOOOOOOOO
Its like listening to a younger Liam Neeson podcast.
that's a new one
very informative epic vid by vash once again (:
Love the vids Vash, Who's the next decendant you are covering?
you will find out on sunday probably. I already have their math all done, and code constructed for the calculator, but I'm probably not gonna start workin on the vid until sunday so it's just a matter of whether I finish sunday or monday
I love your content, I kind of want u to make guides for every character lol just cuz u actually explain things
Fking high quality content, dude I just found you. Thank you for your work
You had me at maximize power i dont care how much more dmg that mods gives you its not worth the cooldown
For the general crit boss farming build it is absolutely worth it, but if you really want the cooldown just run tech spec and that's fine.
Has Vash not seen the 4 Lepic vs DS yet!
it doesn't change Vash's argument lol
Noo it doesn't. I actually can't find it and its driving me insane. I swear there was a change in lineup to x4 RU's Lepics killing DS faster. Now theres this "WR" eyes roll meme to me. Regardless, true facts. Blunt, keep it up.
Vash drops another banger...
Did this in combat regen change recently? As in you get hit and your mp drain is just bonkers
afaik this is how it has worked since I made the first lepic vid. It's not that your MP drain increases, specifically, when you get hit, it's only that you lose the MP in combat bonuses, which in the end does make it look like your MP drain is worse after getting hit
@@VashCowaii I need to review old footage but I think there is something going on here because before this patch I had a hailey gun build that even regened mp while 3 was on but since the sept 26th patch it just doesnt work, early hailey vids also shows the drain not changing after getting hit but I gotta check if they have the mp reg in combat on their sensor
But probably not, idk anymore, this fucking game sometimes
9:33 😂🍿
I LIKE MY RANDOM MUSIC OK MAN
@@VashCowaii copying your strat isn’t enough your taste in music too🤝😂
Really good shit man thanks for the updates!!
Are the new modules good for Valby ?
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