I made a separate video covering the crit resist of all bosses, it also includes one correction regarding this video: th-cam.com/video/_5A4JVKAPq0/w-d-xo.html
I love your "Fix Your Build" video series! The builds are not only effective but also realistic. I've been using them as a foundation and tweaking them to fit my play style when needed. Keep up the good work, and stay salty!
So many people in this community are curious about crit resistance and no other content creator covers it well. You honestly would have gotten a ton of views if you turned crit resistance into a standalone video.
I think a lot of people were building from Warframe experience where if you built 100+% crit your crits could also crit so I can see why people would initially just assume this game would have some kind of weird crit rules. But it's nice to see the community digging into mechanics like this.
yeah but people need to understand that they are not playing warframe but TFD its like german people coming to the mc donalds in the netherlands and then gonna ask for the burger they have in germany but the netherlands doesnt have the same things as germany mc donalds and they still keep doing that asking that dumb question while they already know the answer to and the worse part of it al they always get a little mad because we dont have it and now these people are getting mad because vash is giving a complete breakdown on how it works and they cant handle it that they arent the one who discovered that
I went for the Damage to Colossus/Crit Damage reactor the internet told me was the "godroll" but after about three hours I said "Screw it" and just went with my double gold Colossus/Singular for the Piercing Light. An accidental win is still a win.
Literally woke up this morning to find out i had a Yellow, Chill/Singular, Yellow Dmg to Colossus/Crit and Crit Hit Rate, mounted with the Piercing Light that i got grinding missions to lvl up Hailey. I almost lost my shit looking at it, i couldn'tbelieve it. But now this vid slapped my Crit hit rate roll out of the water 😂😢. But hey I didn't had to suffer for it so I'll take it and not care for any other. The absurd amount of hours that i have sunk into this game taught me this: if you already have something that is more than good enough (but not the absolute peak beast), and you didn't have to suffer for it, then keep it and continue with your other stuff because if you lose days of potential grinding looking for a perfect roll you will end up losing more in the end.
Keyboard warrior here ready to spread nonsense Jokes aside, another awesome video from the Cow Overlord. The crit cap information is kind of crazy, that's going to be a game changer. Thanks for the in depth breakdown and the shoutout
it does not allign with my data. I also made a comment about it. but dont have to trust me you can go to devourer with something close to 70% you should end up with 70% with his theory for me this is not true.
@@thesin8772 I don't take anybody's word as complete fact. I'm going to test crit chance myself when I get some time. Specifically, I want to play around with Skill Crit Rate on different bosses and over/under capping. Thanks for the input.
@Sin the only gripe I'd give is you tested with much, much less data when you determined they misaligned. And without confirming how exactly you handled the tests, it's hard to say if there is weight to them. I'm not saying I have to be right, but I don't believe I'm wrong.
I dont even come here for the math I just like the way he puts vids together and the basic ***** info a noob like me needs to improve he has lol. Thanks again!
Rolling my Afterglow Sword to get 12% Rounds per magazine gave me PTSD. But After ~500 rolls i got it after I played your video (a couple seconds ago). Was so happy I had to post it here, thanks lucky cow.
You don’t need this shit. Use Compulsive Magazine instead of Concentrate Support Ammo and Slayer set and any blue “Rounds per Mag” is enough for 8 shots. Slightly decreased weakpoint damage doesn’t matter because most of the damage comes from skill, not weapon.
When i watch your videos, i realize how stupid i am. I need to watch them many times to only grasp a tiny fraction of all the insights you provide. I Will keep trying to keep Up he he. Thanks you.
Love these builds from you. Only fully building into decendants when you drop vids from now on 😂 always end up swaping something out when you drop a new one. Painfully waiting for an Enzo one atm, but I appreciate the dedication and will be looking forward to more from you
Just want to say i love games you cover as our cow overlord... as your tools you make are amazing and your details and in depth look at who what why is AMAZING
Vash is actually staying pretty even in this one, lol. Usually a lot harsher on people builds. I like this version of Vash. More chill, but still telling ppl how it is. Keep it up!
Meh, I like when he goes off because when he's right, he's right. If he fucks up ,he'll admit it and still go off. The guys got character, let him show it lol
Hey just came across this video and I have been thinking about swapping to Perforator. Thank you for the builds around it as well! With Perforator do you still want the 12% magazine size attribute? Im assuming dmg to colossus, crit dmg%, and firearm atk%, and i am also assuming to get a perforator colossus/singular boost reactor? Thank you!
Your numbers allign with my calculations only that i use have aiming on the perforator -accuracy doesnt seem to apply on zenith also this is basically calculating best case boss scenario for perforator running it agains frost walker will significantly decrease its value but still on top But my tests with 68% crit rate at devourer ended up in 50% crit hits after 300 shots. While at 100% I ended up at roughly 72%. indicates 28% crit resist 68%*(1-0.28)= 49% I am pretty sure crit resistance forumla is: Crit% * (1- (Crit resist% * (1-Crit resist reduction%*analysis master*)) ) Edit: did rerun the test with 68.5% crit ended up with 52.7% effective crit against devourer after 547 shots. so roughly ~23% less
Significant flaw in your testing: the previous guy did 12,000 shots for his data. Vash did 1000 shots in his. The more shots taken, the more accurate the data. Redo your test with 1000-2000 shots and see if you get the same results
@@chriselliott403 pretty sure you will get closer to 28% resistance not to a 72% cap combined i am at 847 shot with 24.3% less effective crit than the gun should have (including rolls and mods etc) while below the cap of 72 he suggests for my data the next 170 shots in the 68% crit test (300 shots were fired) would have to crit and the next 275 shots in the 68.5 crit test would have to crit (547 shots were fired) to bring crit resist to 0 when you are below 72% crit chance
Replied to your other comment but more or less I'll say the same thing, kinda like chris mentioned you're running with a lot less data, without knowing how you're performing the tests it is hard to gauge how accurate they are. That said there are still more tests to be done by anyone not just me, but given the thousands of shots I did between diff scenarios, the conclusions I talk about in the video are the only reasonable conclusions to be drawn.
good video. i have one question regarding the crit ceiling with other characters. If the ceiling is right around 75%, how does that factor into other weapons and characters who have less than 75% crit rate? Lepic and Viessa usually cap out around 50% with all 4 crit mods, but they aren't getting a true 50% crit rate against void intercept bosses right? I think this weekend I'm going to use Viessa's one ability 1000 times vs devour and see what happens
this is a dumb question and it probably doesn't matter that much, but is there a reason you use 2 cold mods on your sniper? wouldn't it be better to use electric for the defense shred? in my experience that's at least how it feels, shredding feels more important than elemental advantage but I could be very wrong and just having unlucky tests with no crits or something I guess what I'm really trying to ask is what are your thoughts on electric providing defense shred, on every boss including pyro?
I love how you absolutely back up your choices with hard numbers. Also I just checked and Payout is a Xantic (X) and not Rutile (R) Ultimate Valby build when :>
While the Piercing Light is still the best (Afterglow is a close second, but loses out by 8-16% depending on how well it is built), there is another option. That is using an Impact Weapon. This is because for some reason, the Impact exclusive mod, Payout, which on hitting a weakpoint, grants you 3s of infinite ammo, works with Hailey's Zenith. This gives just enough time for 3 extra shots. Meaning you can turn those 8 shots, into 11. Of course this means the gun side of her Zenith shots will be weaker than the Piercing Light ones, but you do get 3 more shots, which benefits the skill side of the ability. This may be an amazing option to go for depending on how the new Ultimate Scout Rifle will be. In the meantime, the Perforator is the best option, as it has the highest stats for DPS for Hailey. The Nazeistra's Devotion, while my favorite of the Hand Cannons, isn't needed as the main stats for it are lower than the Perforators except its stupidly high Crit Rate, which you don't need on Hailey. The amazing ability to shred DEF on the Nazeistra's is also not available for use as like with any other unique weapon, they don't inherit the unique abilities of Ultimate Weapons. So her Zenith will not benefit from any Ultimate Abilities.....
Also those math numbers are from Ryechews Games (too lazy to double check how you and he did their numbers). Further, you did mention Payout and Perforator.... yay, my post is redundant. (what I get for typing things while watching the video and seeing things all the way through, ah well, I don't like deleting posts I made, even if I make an ass of myself....)
@@Demondayo yes, or do not bother with that substat and the second mag mod and go with 6 shots instead of 8. To get that 12%, roll for just that substat without locking any. As it will take many tries. Took me almost 200 rolls to get 12% on my Piercing Light.... Then you can start locking them and get your other wanted substats.
hey bro please don't stop making videos. I have been confused on watching other youtubers use certain mods that did not make sense to me. This is the first time I can clearly understand the reasoning behind min maxing your build efficiently.
@@VashCowaii it’s just nice to see others coming up with the same conclusion that skill insight is a wasted mod slot which can be used for more survivability or an immunity mod which actually works great btw… in longer fights you can actually run around freely and not take a ton of damage
I might be very late to this video. But i wanted to ask 1 thing. Since the weapon crit hit rate and weapon crit hit damage isn't affecting the Zenith/Supercooled Kuiper rounds, would it be more optimal to use Charge Amplification instead of Concentration Priority. You've mentioned that only the rounds per magazine from the weapon affect the skill(outside of weapon damage and special mods). But of course it is just assuming that Perforator or Piercing Light is just used for Zenith/Supercooled Kuiper rounds and not for anything else. Anyways, great video.
How about alternative, "budget" build for Piercing Light (or Afterglow Sword)? Remove "Refrigerate Gunbarrel" module. Add "Focus Fire" (weak point dmg +20%) Change "Concentrate Support Ammo" (+30% ammo) for "Magazine Compulsive" 14 energy (34% ammo and -8.8% weak point dmg) Now, we need only 8% Rounds per Magazine on "Piercing Light", because has +49% on "Expand Weapon Charge", 34% on "Magazine Compulsive" and 9% on "Slayer" set. This build has a little bit lower damage (but we added 11.2% weak point dmg, 20% - 8.8%), but not need to roll 12% "Rounds per Magazine" to obtain 8 shots of "Zenith"
Might sound like an odd question, but why use Chill Specialist over Chill Master? I thought the spread of modifiers from Chill Master mixed with Spear and Shield were higher than with Chill Specialist. If I’m wrong, I would love to be corrected.
its funny how i ve got almost the same build with same weapon and never got to experience those numbers no matter how hard i try lol,but hey nice video all in all
hes saying for the overall dmg you put out that the base gun dmg is practically moot for your overall DMG/DPS.... hence why piercing light and afterglow are so close in damage and yet perforater is the king
Now that Frost Watcher is out, & Perforator has been changed, is it better to mod it the same way you did Perforator for this build? Or does the changes to Perforator not matter, or Frost Watcher just not useful enough?
I'd also like to know this. Also - What was changed about perforator exactly? I watched the video about how that's the new gun, but it was never explained why? Can I just use any old hand cannon with that legendary mod (I forgot the name)?
@VashCowaii What about that blue weapon mod that decreases the crit resistance? Can you test that out? Does this mod just increase the crit rate ceiling?
Vash is just being Vash. Thorough backed information with proof. Then being realistic. Absolutely 100% better than most due to that. Anyways enough smoke up the tailpipe. Loved the video always ready for the others. Much love mate.
Love this video bro , I like numbers when it comes to all of this and it’s a rarity in all these S tier videos , I had all the slots settled luckily and I was able to bitch slap frost walker on his first bar before he got enraged 🙏
Now after the update, it is worth changing the Frontlines Mod for the Chill Integration Mod? Edit: On my quick test, it doesn't seem so. I do lose damage exchanging them.
Great vids with detail explanation. But one problem with perforator is that at current stage it's basically impossible to even get a decent reactor for it on Hailey, with afterglow or piercing light at least we had last week. For perforator there won't be one this week or even next week. Not sure about the week after that, but if you wait until then to build it, might just wait until the new weapon or the red mod to come out.
Awesome and informative video. Thank you. I have a questions that I would love some clarity on. On your perforator load out you have damage mods that require investment. Mueii states that you only need 3 mods. No investment. Adding damage mods barely changes the damage on the ult. Is this true or does it not really matter?
Forgot to explain that. It adds dmg to the gun side, and any amount of increased dmg, even elemental, is going to lead to a higher dmg spread than slotting in a bunch of miscellaneous mods that boost your crit dmg or weakspot dmg by 2-4.5%
@@VashCowaii I'd heard this before, but a lot of what I hear is plain wrong. You seem to be the only reliable source of information I've found so far. Thanks. Might check that guy out, but I've also heard that he's a piece of shit.
@@VashCowaii Man I'm so Enhancement Material broke lol now but I got my After G at Colossus:29.5K RPM: 12%, Crit Dmg:17.8%, ATK:12.2% 850 matts in all smh sigh
"Anyone who knows something better 24 hours before anyone else is considered an idiot for 24 hours." Never let haters bring you down. You did such a good job explaining everything - thank you very much for that. Unfortunately, I don't speak English very well and will watch the video a few more times to understand all the information properly. But that doesn't change my appreciation for your work, time and effort.
love the video & appreciate all of the knowledge 🎉 - just a quick question to make sure that I have understood everything well - using perforator , while having 67000 odd dmg has the opportunity to deal more dmg because we can have more shots (11x67000 + all the other added dmg bonuses?) which ultimately ends up working out to be higher overall? 😅 This is my first game like this, so I tend to overthink.
Oh holy, lmfao, probably bc I keep making videos at 3am. You would want them, probably in place of focus fire and refrig. In the end though perf isn't gonna be doing much on its gun side, the extra skill dmg is the main appeal, boosting the atk of 1 dmg is just gonna bring it up to 3 dmg.
Since chill singular impact reactors started dropping this week, within the first five I got a double gold Colossus + Singular Boost with Blue Beetle mounting (when it took me over 2000 reactors to find a double purple Colossus + Crit Damage roll on PL), at 12% magazine substat still gives 11 whole shots. Every cloud has a silver lining I guess 🤷♂
One question, does elemental damage have any influence? For example, if I added electrical damage against a colossus that is weak to electrical, would the damage be greater than if I used cold elemental damage?
Always nice to see someone who isn't gaslighting their community with "THIS OP BUILD FOR THIS CHARACTER!" when they don't know jack about their build or how it really works. Curious if you might attempt a Jayber Build at some point utilizing the turrets since I have a feeling ... people either don't know how to use him properly ... or he's must under-tuned compared to most of the other characters?
Thank you for referencing me! Appreciate your honesty! I wish there are more content creators such as you. I did testing with over cap , over 100% crit , with 100% + Enzo Q Result is 100% is 100% , there is no overcap , even with mathematically 160% crit , game still consider it being 100% Here is a vid with test on Exe Hard th-cam.com/video/1xhvNBlL8e0/w-d-xo.html Im coming soon with complete table of firearm crit ''sealing'' on solo an some team bosses. As for now , a spoiler - Gluttony indeed has 80% crit sealing for ABILITIES 50% for firearms. We tested it Also , Vash , may I still tell a word about x3 crit mods? You still need those for all bosses but Gluttony for a very simple reason - the damage increase , even with crit sealing, is one of the best in slot you get anyway. So.... my first Hailey template I was running on x3 crits , but after calculating and testing you need those 4. Also you dont need to max out 4th one , its fine being half made. And Gluttony....is Gluttony - just kick the f out ability mods and play as a gunner.
Appreciate the added info. I watched some of your content and am assuming English is not your first language, so this is just a friendly correction to help out, but it is "ceiling" not "sealing". Ceiling is the upper limit, and sealing is the action or process of fastening or closing something securely.
I didn't realize until reading this comment I said guns twice when talking about gluttony LOL, my bad! And no problem on the reference, it was a good bit of data that got me curious about all of it, so thank you as well. Also confused what you mean about skill insight. I get that in general those crit mods would be best in slot for her and I agree, but if the crit ceiling is in fact a ceiling, then any more crit beyond that ceiling would be excess which is the point I wanted to make. In what capacity does adding more crit rate beyond the limit do for you? You're more than welcome to reach out of me on discord as well, I'll reply faster that way.
@@VashCowaii I will test that tonight, about ceiling. I know exe is 70% crit on 100%. If we apply a gun 70% crit and still get 70% crit, it's a ceiling. If not it's a multiplier 0.7 to your crit. And if it's the case, then the x4 crit is needed.
@@VashCowaii Ive done testing on 400 shots off video (Im at work , not supposed to do so Kappa) So....Here is a story about crit rest When you run 100% crit chance gun , you can findout a % of crit resistance on Colosses. This % value is a multiplier to your real crit hit chance. So lets say , I have a test on Exe , 30% crit res based on 800+ shots with 100% Afterglow + Enzo Q for overcap If you now go with a rifle , lets say 70% crit chance , your endgame crit chance will be 70%* (100%-30%) = 49% Thats how this story works. I may record one next week with 1000 shots , just takes time. But ...yeah , its how it works
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I made a separate video covering the crit resist of all bosses, it also includes one correction regarding this video: th-cam.com/video/_5A4JVKAPq0/w-d-xo.html
Great video. Kudos, just one small error, Payout is a Xantic module and not Rutile :)
Great , can you do ult viessa build next?
Can you do Blair Next???? I want to invest in him, I love BOOMS, but I want to do it right the first time.
I love your "Fix Your Build" video series! The builds are not only effective but also realistic. I've been using them as a foundation and tweaking them to fit my play style when needed. Keep up the good work, and stay salty!
Pls do ult viessa
So many people in this community are curious about crit resistance and no other content creator covers it well. You honestly would have gotten a ton of views if you turned crit resistance into a standalone video.
May yet still, but there is more data needed from more bosses and whatnot to cover it better.
Seeing as I got Hailey 2 days ago, I'm happy TH-cam's algorithm put your video on my feed. Perfect timing in my case. Thank you. =)
I think a lot of people were building from Warframe experience where if you built 100+% crit your crits could also crit so I can see why people would initially just assume this game would have some kind of weird crit rules. But it's nice to see the community digging into mechanics like this.
yeah but people need to understand that they are not playing warframe but TFD its like german people coming to the mc donalds in the netherlands and then gonna ask for the burger they have in germany but the netherlands doesnt have the same things as germany mc donalds and they still keep doing that asking that dumb question while they already know the answer to and the worse part of it al they always get a little mad because we dont have it and now these people are getting mad because vash is giving a complete breakdown on how it works and they cant handle it that they arent the one who discovered that
but vash plays warframe lol... I agree though, why try and be superior when you can enjoy both games as they are
I went for the Damage to Colossus/Crit Damage reactor the internet told me was the "godroll" but after about three hours I said "Screw it" and just went with my double gold Colossus/Singular for the Piercing Light. An accidental win is still a win.
Which is the most important?
I was told Dam to Colossus/Crit Rate reactor is the god roll. Sadly after 20 hours of farming I got none😢
Literally woke up this morning to find out i had a Yellow, Chill/Singular, Yellow Dmg to Colossus/Crit and Crit Hit Rate, mounted with the Piercing Light that i got grinding missions to lvl up Hailey. I almost lost my shit looking at it, i couldn'tbelieve it. But now this vid slapped my Crit hit rate roll out of the water 😂😢. But hey I didn't had to suffer for it so I'll take it and not care for any other.
The absurd amount of hours that i have sunk into this game taught me this: if you already have something that is more than good enough (but not the absolute peak beast), and you didn't have to suffer for it, then keep it and continue with your other stuff because if you lose days of potential grinding looking for a perfect roll you will end up losing more in the end.
Couldn't agree more with what you said here. Sometimes good enough is A-OK
Keyboard warrior here ready to spread nonsense Jokes aside, another awesome video from the Cow Overlord. The crit cap information is kind of crazy, that's going to be a game changer. Thanks for the in depth breakdown and the shoutout
it does not allign with my data. I also made a comment about it. but dont have to trust me you can go to devourer with something close to 70% you should end up with 70% with his theory for me this is not true.
@@thesin8772 I don't take anybody's word as complete fact. I'm going to test crit chance myself when I get some time. Specifically, I want to play around with Skill Crit Rate on different bosses and over/under capping. Thanks for the input.
@@MeuiYT thats the spirit
@@MeuiYTSo perforator still better for the extra free shots? Ty 🙏🏻
@Sin the only gripe I'd give is you tested with much, much less data when you determined they misaligned. And without confirming how exactly you handled the tests, it's hard to say if there is weight to them. I'm not saying I have to be right, but I don't believe I'm wrong.
This is the man who showed me how to kill ALL the remnant 2 bosses by simply lighting myself on fire and a standing there.
I trust his builds 1000%
I dont even come here for the math I just like the way he puts vids together and the basic ***** info a noob like me needs to improve he has lol. Thanks again!
That’s crazy bc moxsy and ryechew are the only other tfd TH-camrs I watch. I place my utmost trust in you
Rolling my Afterglow Sword to get 12% Rounds per magazine gave me PTSD. But After ~500 rolls i got it after I played your video (a couple seconds ago). Was so happy I had to post it here, thanks lucky cow.
You don’t need this shit. Use Compulsive Magazine instead of Concentrate Support Ammo and Slayer set and any blue “Rounds per Mag” is enough for 8 shots. Slightly decreased weakpoint damage doesn’t matter because most of the damage comes from skill, not weapon.
When i watch your videos, i realize how stupid i am. I need to watch them many times to only grasp a tiny fraction of all the insights you provide. I Will keep trying to keep Up he he. Thanks you.
omg you're the first person i've heard pronounce syncytium correctly. thank you
first time I saw the word I looked it up just to be sure, bc yeah the way I've heard people saying that was jank as hell lol
i took my time to get hailey to let other people like you figure out how to build her correctly.
Your burns hits harder than my Piercing Light shots
Love these builds from you. Only fully building into decendants when you drop vids from now on 😂 always end up swaping something out when you drop a new one. Painfully waiting for an Enzo one atm, but I appreciate the dedication and will be looking forward to more from you
I'm no game mathematics professor, but you referenced Suriil and Muei, I like you lol. Ya'll are insane crafters with all ya'll math.
casual banter, quick n easy to digest vid format. You got my like and subs
just make sure you see pinned comment
Just want to say i love games you cover as our cow overlord... as your tools you make are amazing and your details and in depth look at who what why is AMAZING
Don't get it twisted. Vash loves Meui.
Decent players...
SLANDER
Vash is actually staying pretty even in this one, lol. Usually a lot harsher on people builds. I like this version of Vash. More chill, but still telling ppl how it is. Keep it up!
I was recording this audio at 3-4AM and did not have the energy to be more annoyed
Meh, I like when he goes off because when he's right, he's right. If he fucks up ,he'll admit it and still go off. The guys got character, let him show it lol
@@VashCowaii From her now on I imagine everything you say in Yujin's mega annoyed voice.
I'm just gonna assume that your exes all got spreadsheets proving how badly they fucked up, with accurate maths 🤣
Hey just came across this video and I have been thinking about swapping to Perforator. Thank you for the builds around it as well! With Perforator do you still want the 12% magazine size attribute? Im assuming dmg to colossus, crit dmg%, and firearm atk%, and i am also assuming to get a perforator colossus/singular boost reactor? Thank you!
Yes. That's exactly what you'd want. The only variation with the weapon choices are the weapons themselves.
Dang bro. Preach. Appreciate you getting into the math and letting us know how to properly build.
Vash and Meui, a match made in heaven.
Also, Valby when?
Glad to have you back first on Remnant and not in the TDF. Keep it Going!
Your numbers allign with my calculations only that i use have aiming on the perforator
-accuracy doesnt seem to apply on zenith
also this is basically calculating best case boss scenario for perforator running it agains frost walker will significantly decrease its value but still on top
But my tests with 68% crit rate at devourer ended up in 50% crit hits after 300 shots.
While at 100% I ended up at roughly 72%.
indicates 28% crit resist
68%*(1-0.28)= 49%
I am pretty sure crit resistance forumla is:
Crit% * (1- (Crit resist% * (1-Crit resist reduction%*analysis master*)) )
Edit: did rerun the test with 68.5% crit ended up with 52.7% effective crit against devourer after 547 shots. so roughly ~23% less
Significant flaw in your testing: the previous guy did 12,000 shots for his data. Vash did 1000 shots in his. The more shots taken, the more accurate the data. Redo your test with 1000-2000 shots and see if you get the same results
@@chriselliott403 pretty sure you will get closer to 28% resistance not to a 72% cap
combined i am at 847 shot with 24.3% less effective crit than the gun should have (including rolls and mods etc) while below the cap of 72 he suggests
for my data the next 170 shots in the 68% crit test (300 shots were fired) would have to crit and the next 275 shots in the 68.5 crit test would have to crit (547 shots were fired) to bring crit resist to 0 when you are below 72% crit chance
Replied to your other comment but more or less I'll say the same thing, kinda like chris mentioned you're running with a lot less data, without knowing how you're performing the tests it is hard to gauge how accurate they are. That said there are still more tests to be done by anyone not just me, but given the thousands of shots I did between diff scenarios, the conclusions I talk about in the video are the only reasonable conclusions to be drawn.
@@VashCowaii i uploaded an unlisted video to my channel with the google sheet will sent you the link on discord
looks like I made some mistakes with catalysts. I have her fully catalyzed but will have to redo two. Thanks for putting the time in.
bro your videos are so to the point and I can understand your math, your a genius.
You helped me tune Hailey's game up.
damn. i love the whole video. im gonna fix my hailey. maybe i should start to jump into math on myself again
A weapon build without rifling reinforcement? That's a first for me ^__^
good video. i have one question regarding the crit ceiling with other characters. If the ceiling is right around 75%, how does that factor into other weapons and characters who have less than 75% crit rate? Lepic and Viessa usually cap out around 50% with all 4 crit mods, but they aren't getting a true 50% crit rate against void intercept bosses right?
I think this weekend I'm going to use Viessa's one ability 1000 times vs devour and see what happens
My new favorite phrase for this game is now, "bully with ab Esimo fart." 🤣
Thank you!!!! I was gonna start experimentation with this myself. I appreciate your efforts 👌
this is a dumb question and it probably doesn't matter that much, but is there a reason you use 2 cold mods on your sniper? wouldn't it be better to use electric for the defense shred? in my experience that's at least how it feels, shredding feels more important than elemental advantage but I could be very wrong and just having unlucky tests with no crits or something
I guess what I'm really trying to ask is what are your thoughts on electric providing defense shred, on every boss including pyro?
Great video once again sir. Thank you for what you do to help the community. 🤘
I love how you absolutely back up your choices with hard numbers.
Also I just checked and Payout is a Xantic (X) and not Rutile (R)
Ultimate Valby build when :>
While the Piercing Light is still the best (Afterglow is a close second, but loses out by 8-16% depending on how well it is built),
there is another option.
That is using an Impact Weapon.
This is because for some reason, the Impact exclusive mod, Payout, which on hitting a weakpoint, grants you 3s of infinite ammo, works with Hailey's Zenith.
This gives just enough time for 3 extra shots. Meaning you can turn those 8 shots, into 11.
Of course this means the gun side of her Zenith shots will be weaker than the Piercing Light ones, but you do get 3 more shots, which benefits the skill side of the ability.
This may be an amazing option to go for depending on how the new Ultimate Scout Rifle will be.
In the meantime, the Perforator is the best option, as it has the highest stats for DPS for Hailey.
The Nazeistra's Devotion, while my favorite of the Hand Cannons, isn't needed as the main stats for it are lower than the Perforators except its stupidly high Crit Rate, which you don't need on Hailey. The amazing ability to shred DEF on the Nazeistra's is also not available for use as like with any other unique weapon, they don't inherit the unique abilities of Ultimate Weapons. So her Zenith will not benefit from any Ultimate Abilities.....
Also those math numbers are from Ryechews Games (too lazy to double check how you and he did their numbers).
Further, you did mention Payout and Perforator.... yay, my post is redundant.
(what I get for typing things while watching the video and seeing things all the way through, ah well, I don't like deleting posts I made, even if I make an ass of myself....)
Do you need +12% magazine on Perforator as well?
@@Demondayo yes, or do not bother with that substat and the second mag mod and go with 6 shots instead of 8.
To get that 12%, roll for just that substat without locking any. As it will take many tries. Took me almost 200 rolls to get 12% on my Piercing Light.... Then you can start locking them and get your other wanted substats.
Ok … absolutely huge props and extremely well done!
This was very eye opening. Thank you.
What should i put for the rest 2 slots?
Thanks for well explained video as always 👍🏻❤️
So detailed video. Thank you.
Very informative, thank you
I have a question: is there any particular reason people focus on Perforator or you can use ANY green ammo gun 'cause of the Payout mod?
highest base firearm atk with usable Payout
@@KnightZephyr I think the firearm atk does not affect zenith damage as he said in the video, it could just because of the unique weapon skill
@@karzir2328 unique weapon skill doesnt work with Zenith. Its purely the firearm attack
Zephyr is correct
Technically?? The highest ATK impact round weapon is the Silly Weeper sitting at 80,000.
hey bro please don't stop making videos. I have been confused on watching other youtubers use certain mods that did not make sense to me. This is the first time I can clearly understand the reasoning behind min maxing your build efficiently.
Kudos for the Meui shoutout at the end.. i thought you hated him or something based on that earlier part in the vid lol
That’s funny because I pretty much gave this exact build in one I posted about a week ago giving a float spot for a mod of your choosing
I mean pog u then?
@@VashCowaii it’s just nice to see others coming up with the same conclusion that skill insight is a wasted mod slot which can be used for more survivability or an immunity mod which actually works great btw… in longer fights you can actually run around freely and not take a ton of damage
Awesome video and perfect timing for me! She’s currently baking in the oven and I get to play with her today.
Great tests here. So this means all descendants shouldn't bother exceeding the 100% skill crit hit rate?
I might be very late to this video. But i wanted to ask 1 thing. Since the weapon crit hit rate and weapon crit hit damage isn't affecting the Zenith/Supercooled Kuiper rounds, would it be more optimal to use Charge Amplification instead of Concentration Priority. You've mentioned that only the rounds per magazine from the weapon affect the skill(outside of weapon damage and special mods). But of course it is just assuming that Perforator or Piercing Light is just used for Zenith/Supercooled Kuiper rounds and not for anything else. Anyways, great video.
How about alternative, "budget" build for Piercing Light (or Afterglow Sword)?
Remove "Refrigerate Gunbarrel" module.
Add "Focus Fire" (weak point dmg +20%)
Change "Concentrate Support Ammo" (+30% ammo) for "Magazine Compulsive" 14 energy (34% ammo and -8.8% weak point dmg)
Now, we need only 8% Rounds per Magazine on "Piercing Light", because has +49% on "Expand Weapon Charge", 34% on "Magazine Compulsive" and 9% on "Slayer" set.
This build has a little bit lower damage (but we added 11.2% weak point dmg, 20% - 8.8%), but not need to roll 12% "Rounds per Magazine" to obtain 8 shots of "Zenith"
Might sound like an odd question, but why use Chill Specialist over Chill Master? I thought the spread of modifiers from Chill Master mixed with Spear and Shield were higher than with Chill Specialist. If I’m wrong, I would love to be corrected.
its funny how i ve got almost the same build with same weapon and never got to experience those numbers no matter how hard i try lol,but hey nice video all in all
Also I need a confirmation. How can you say gun or gun DMG doesn't matter and then talk about best gun options. I'm very confused.
hes saying for the overall dmg you put out that the base gun dmg is practically moot for your overall DMG/DPS.... hence why piercing light and afterglow are so close in damage and yet perforater is the king
Now that Frost Watcher is out, & Perforator has been changed, is it better to mod it the same way you did Perforator for this build? Or does the changes to Perforator not matter, or Frost Watcher just not useful enough?
I'd also like to know this. Also - What was changed about perforator exactly? I watched the video about how that's the new gun, but it was never explained why? Can I just use any old hand cannon with that legendary mod (I forgot the name)?
Just envisioning a rather unique transcendent mod for Ultimate Esimo now after that bully comment haha.
Very nice explanation. Love it. Great video and funny tool lol
I'm thrilled that I found your video for my Hailey build and I'm hoping to see one for Ajax next. Tysm for the amazing guide!
@VashCowaii What about that blue weapon mod that decreases the crit resistance? Can you test that out? Does this mod just increase the crit rate ceiling?
You mean Analysis Master? It's an ultimate special rounds gun mod.
According to the guy I reference at the start, it applies as a multi to the enemy's modifier. So not 50% - 25%, but 50% * (1 - .25)
Vash is just being Vash. Thorough backed information with proof. Then being realistic. Absolutely 100% better than most due to that. Anyways enough smoke up the tailpipe. Loved the video always ready for the others. Much love mate.
Thanks for these. You fixed my Lepic.
man the main stats on the slayer set feel awful.
i know i do less damage but XD the fact that i live far more than all the other players.
Yep, I play the slayer set sometimes and Everytime I put it on I'm squishy AF.
If it just had HP/deff instead of that useless shield :/
No one is stopping you from running slayer set for solo bossing and something else for anything else.
Love this video bro , I like numbers when it comes to all of this and it’s a rarity in all these S tier videos , I had all the slots settled luckily and I was able to bitch slap frost walker on his first bar before he got enraged 🙏
Now after the update, it is worth changing the Frontlines Mod for the Chill Integration Mod?
Edit: On my quick test, it doesn't seem so. I do lose damage exchanging them.
Great vids with detail explanation. But one problem with perforator is that at current stage it's basically impossible to even get a decent reactor for it on Hailey, with afterglow or piercing light at least we had last week. For perforator there won't be one this week or even next week. Not sure about the week after that, but if you wait until then to build it, might just wait until the new weapon or the red mod to come out.
Check again, there will be a perforator one up next week in Agna Desert.
@@thepenitence great, will farm it out next week, for now will stick with sniper since I literally have no reactor that can work
Ye just use your sniper in the meantime no problem there lol, and snipers are still good as well especially for bosses that die quickly
Thank you for opening mine and other people's eyes !!!
Awesome and informative video. Thank you. I have a questions that I would love some clarity on. On your perforator load out you have damage mods that require investment. Mueii states that you only need 3 mods. No investment. Adding damage mods barely changes the damage on the ult. Is this true or does it not really matter?
Could you please explain why you use Chill enhancement and refrigerate gunbarrel?
Because you can see that the chill dmg still works on the gun, as well as included in the cryo damage
Forgot to explain that. It adds dmg to the gun side, and any amount of increased dmg, even elemental, is going to lead to a higher dmg spread than slotting in a bunch of miscellaneous mods that boost your crit dmg or weakspot dmg by 2-4.5%
Vash Bomb just dropped time to go watch
Any chance you know how the analysis master mod works?
What a stupid crit resistance implementation btw.
According to the guy I reference at the start, it applies as a multi to the enemy's modifier. So not 50% - 25%, but 50% * (1 - .25)
@@VashCowaii I'd heard this before, but a lot of what I hear is plain wrong. You seem to be the only reliable source of information I've found so far. Thanks.
Might check that guy out, but I've also heard that he's a piece of shit.
There is a mod in Speical Ammo that reduces Crit Resist by 25% on hit, Analysis Master. Might give you that 100% crit rate
Yessss the math goat is on it finally
just make sure you see pinned comment
@@VashCowaii Man I'm so Enhancement Material broke lol now but I got my After G at Colossus:29.5K RPM: 12%, Crit Dmg:17.8%, ATK:12.2% 850 matts in all smh sigh
Good audio and informative. Thanks.
Top notch data TY Vash!
Great video. I will heed your advice as I did with your,,fix your bunny guide. Thank you!
Thank you for the Hard work 🤓
Suggestions on components if you do not have Slayer or Annihilation Sets until they can be obtained?
How valuable do you think the orange ammo mod that gives a crit resistance debuff is?
"Anyone who knows something better 24 hours before anyone else is considered an idiot for 24 hours."
Never let haters bring you down. You did such a good job explaining everything - thank you very much for that.
Unfortunately, I don't speak English very well and will watch the video a few more times to understand all the information properly.
But that doesn't change my appreciation for your work, time and effort.
love the video & appreciate all of the knowledge 🎉 - just a quick question to make sure that I have understood everything well - using perforator , while having 67000 odd dmg has the opportunity to deal more dmg because we can have more shots (11x67000 + all the other added dmg bonuses?) which ultimately ends up working out to be higher overall? 😅
This is my first game like this, so I tend to overthink.
the skill dmg side is larger, and more shots on that beats out a higher gun dmg side with less shots yes
Great content! Liked and subscribed!
Why is it that you don’t use Rifling Reinforcement and Action and Reaction mods on the Perforator build, but you do on the sniper builds?
Oh holy, lmfao, probably bc I keep making videos at 3am. You would want them, probably in place of focus fire and refrig. In the end though perf isn't gonna be doing much on its gun side, the extra skill dmg is the main appeal, boosting the atk of 1 dmg is just gonna bring it up to 3 dmg.
Great video, keep it up
Since chill singular impact reactors started dropping this week, within the first five I got a double gold Colossus + Singular Boost with Blue Beetle mounting (when it took me over 2000 reactors to find a double purple Colossus + Crit Damage roll on PL), at 12% magazine substat still gives 11 whole shots. Every cloud has a silver lining I guess 🤷♂
One question, does elemental damage have any influence? For example, if I added electrical damage against a colossus that is weak to electrical, would the damage be greater than if I used cold elemental damage?
Just wondering if elemental damage applies to your Zenith? And if so, does changing it depending on the boss's weakness matter?
Great video boss
8:16 Thats the time I subscribe by no hesitation.
Love your videos. Perfect Builds
Vash quick question‼️‼️ Can this also be done with Naz. Devotion or does it have to be Perforator???
Man this guy laid down the business. I like your talk give it to us straight and fuck everyone else giving it to us wrong lol
just test 85% vs 100%, i tried both and 100% more consistant with crits
I think exactly the same. But I've only tested Pyro and Devourer so far... With Better Insight they are all crits...
silly math man strikes again, appreciate the vids brother
Thanks for this, not listening to anyone else now 😂
Is this still ideal today or do you have a new Hailey bossing build cooking?
@VashCowaii Are the new non crit/skill power mods a massive boost for Hailey like they are for some others?
Always nice to see someone who isn't gaslighting their community with "THIS OP BUILD FOR THIS CHARACTER!" when they don't know jack about their build or how it really works.
Curious if you might attempt a Jayber Build at some point utilizing the turrets since I have a feeling ... people either don't know how to use him properly ... or he's must under-tuned compared to most of the other characters?
With the recent buffs, everyone can be a Jayber with king guard lance lmao!
I'd like a video of sockets. Resetting your character and choosing your sockets etc...
Thank you for referencing me!
Appreciate your honesty! I wish there are more content creators such as you.
I did testing with over cap , over 100% crit , with 100% + Enzo Q
Result is 100% is 100% , there is no overcap , even with mathematically 160% crit , game still consider it being 100%
Here is a vid with test on Exe Hard
th-cam.com/video/1xhvNBlL8e0/w-d-xo.html
Im coming soon with complete table of firearm crit ''sealing'' on solo an some team bosses.
As for now , a spoiler - Gluttony indeed has
80% crit sealing for ABILITIES
50% for firearms.
We tested it
Also , Vash , may I still tell a word about x3 crit mods?
You still need those for all bosses but Gluttony for a very simple reason - the damage increase , even with crit sealing, is one of the best in slot you get anyway.
So.... my first Hailey template I was running on x3 crits , but after calculating and testing you need those 4.
Also you dont need to max out 4th one , its fine being half made.
And Gluttony....is Gluttony - just kick the f out ability mods and play as a gunner.
Appreciate the added info. I watched some of your content and am assuming English is not your first language, so this is just a friendly correction to help out, but it is "ceiling" not "sealing". Ceiling is the upper limit, and sealing is the action or process of fastening or closing something securely.
@@FracnoTV Gladly take any friendly advices
I didn't realize until reading this comment I said guns twice when talking about gluttony LOL, my bad! And no problem on the reference, it was a good bit of data that got me curious about all of it, so thank you as well.
Also confused what you mean about skill insight. I get that in general those crit mods would be best in slot for her and I agree, but if the crit ceiling is in fact a ceiling, then any more crit beyond that ceiling would be excess which is the point I wanted to make. In what capacity does adding more crit rate beyond the limit do for you? You're more than welcome to reach out of me on discord as well, I'll reply faster that way.
@@VashCowaii I will test that tonight, about ceiling. I know exe is 70% crit on 100%. If we apply a gun 70% crit and still get 70% crit, it's a ceiling. If not it's a multiplier 0.7 to your crit.
And if it's the case, then the x4 crit is needed.
@@VashCowaii Ive done testing on 400 shots off video (Im at work , not supposed to do so Kappa)
So....Here is a story about crit rest
When you run 100% crit chance gun , you can findout a % of crit resistance on Colosses.
This % value is a multiplier to your real crit hit chance.
So lets say , I have a test on Exe , 30% crit res based on 800+ shots with 100% Afterglow + Enzo Q for overcap
If you now go with a rifle , lets say 70% crit chance , your endgame crit chance will be 70%* (100%-30%) = 49%
Thats how this story works.
I may record one next week with 1000 shots , just takes time. But ...yeah , its how it works