If you or someone you know is considering coming off of psychiatric drugs, here are some educational resources: www.madinamerica.com/ withdrawal.theinnercompass.org/ breggin.com/a-guide-for-prescribers-therapists-patients-and-their-families/ medicatingnormal.com/psychiatric-drug-withdrawal/
clinical psychology is just as scientifically empty churning out garbage research and 'therapy' approaches non of which have any efficacy or evidence - you might like to turn a light on your own profession. Interview William M Epstein authors of many excellent books including psychotherapy and the social clinic soothing fictions.
You are confirming what I have been saying they need to be made accountable for every person they have wrongly diagnosed with fake illness and whose lives have been harmed permanently
@@capresti3537 To correct the their juvenile Practices - a Mental Health Commission should grill 2 or 3 Psychiatrists in public Hearings and send them to prison. Once Accountability has been Established - New Practices should then be Instituted, whereby down-and-people learn to be courteous, kind and creative!
@@stevekaylor5606 The APA should be investigated for medical fraud. Any psychiatrist knowingly prescribing neurotoxic drugs and electric-shocks harming their patients should be arrested prosecuted and jailed.
"If dentistry were Psychiatry , few of us would have teeth!" - my abusive alcoholic oral surgeon Dad. This hurts, I had always maintained he was wrong about that until my personal experience with it and hearing you speak on it.
This interview has brought me to tears. I've been saying this for years. But the "fun" thing is, as a patient. You're deemed extra psychotic for stating these very same facts. Just take your pills, and shut up, has been the attitude that I've been faced with. It is no small thing. Because i was already sectioned forcibly, and refusing medication was deemed a offence. Bless you guys for putting this out there. I hope more will follow. I will never claim that i know the solution to what has been deemed "mental illness" but i most definitely know that society has been dealing with it wrongfully. I won't go into speculation if it has been done on purpose or just out of ignorance. Either way, the discussion has to be opened up for a solution to this issue. Thanks again. I'm just a "patient" who has been reading a lot, and doing my own research. Which would have never resulted to any serious inquiry. So I'm completely dependent on people who have the credentials to speak out on this subject.🙌
I put in a complaint after they wrote obvious lies over drugged me and told me I was lucky to be alive because of this. Then encouraged my abusive family to abuse me the best bit was they ran around telling everyone that I was insane and had dementia and had cognitive problems so don’t know what is going on so they need to get questions answered by me for their records. At the same time I am working and having a peaceful life I have thrown all the mules of the industry out of my life. Their answer was and I quote “ under the circumstances we have behaved reasonably” in short they are not just unethical but criminal .
Exceptional work. This channel needs to blow up - if only someone with a larger platform could host the perspective that Nick et al. foster a lot of headway could be made in reshaping the narrative that people have been coerced into believing.
I love and appreciate your program, your interviews and your thoughts, Sir. This is the first time I have heard anyone mention Edward Bernays in regards to psychiatry, but I have wondered this for a long time.
thank you for this, this has been my ongoing experience of my own struggles with mental health, its a non matter thing for me as an initial cause to put it shortly, simply and it is a relief beyond words to finally get a scientific support on that view!!!!
The passage from Raymond Dolan and colleagues in 'Neuron' is so stark and damning. The latter words of the passage that Dr. Cohen quotes, starting from “[psychiatry’s] most fundamental characteristic is its ignorance” and after, are not actually from Dolan's pen, but from Andrew Scull's in his TLS piece titled ‘The less you know'. And Scull, in turn, is echoing Owen Whooley’s book “On the Heels of Ignorance”. This is what Dolan meant when he and his team wrote "It remains difficult to refute a critique...". That critique is Scull's (whom they cite), not their own. Just wanted to clarify that. As always, thank you for this fascinating conversation, Nick! Dr. Cohen was edifying on so many levels. Maybe you could have a chat with Owen Whooley? He seems well positioned to answer the question you put to another guest (I think it was Bruce Levine): how has psychiatry kept recovering from its failures and maintaining its legitimacy throughout its long history? I wonder this too. I think some of Whooley's ideas match some of Levine's, e.g. that when MDs who actually practice medicine don't know what to do with their most perplexing and unmanageable patients, they need a place to send them, and that place has always been the psychiatry unit. But I'm sure Whooley can speak at length on this question of why the field never suffers lasting disrepute.
Good to know your Michel Foucault . I had a psychiatrist pressure me to take a drug, an anti-psychotic, three times. I had been taking prozac for depression. I told her that i had no psychosis. She said, "I am the Doctor, you are the patient" it was crazy. I ended up trying it, and i had to leave work and rush home because of the dizziness, and then i began to hallucinate unlike any drug ever did to me, and i had done psychedelics... it was insane. The doctors get kickbacks for new drugs.... i;ve heard up to 1k per rx//// wow. closest to what i imagine schizophrenia is like.... it was called geodone...and a long time ago now...but i'll never forget it, and i hope that i never take a psych med ever again.....wow. Talk about pressure- she claimed that it was "for prevention". LOL i mean really.
I really appreciate your series of interviews questioning the fundamental basis that much of psychiatry is built on from diagnosis to the use of drugs and pharmaceuticals. I wonder if you have ever interview Fritzi Horstman who runs the compassion in prison project as you seem to have done alot of work in the prison population. I have to say I find Joanna Moncrieff is a little more articulate when it comes to talking about the actual actions of these drugs,in effect being tools for sedation.
Can anyone link to his daughters research he’s talking about? My brother was on antipsychotics to control his behavior starting in early elementary, psychiatrists keep doubling down on this not being a long term problem implicated in his currently disabled state. Would be nice to see some of the data.
Thanks very much for this fantastic interview with up to date information.are there any groups or individuals trying to disseminate this information to general population and/or supporting those who are being coerced into “treatment “ in challenging such coercion,any legal challenges to the state right to force people to take drugs or incarceration.
Only in Italy they have the Basaglia law and now Denmark and Finland also are reducing coercion by law. But it seems like they are extending psychiatry into all segments of society. While many people need real help without the harming.
I have to be medicated for all my life because the psyquiatrist says that there is a risk that i smoke weed again. I did not fight phisically during my psycosis. Am I dangerous? He is dangerous. I have much less erections now. From 25 to 30 almost with medication. Thank you psyquiatrist for destroy my youth and maybe my life. Sorry dor that comment but i have to share it or I explote. Love to all. Amor para todos!
If you want to to push back en masse, could we not just refuse the drugs and the manipulation. I agree with what David said about WHOLE countries seemingly turning into psychiatric institutions/ I see those who were not formerly medical (but who willingly do this work for medicine) being drawn in to patrol the margins of normal distress.
Whoever, being legally bound by an oath or by an express provision of law to state the truth, or being bound by law to make a declaration upon any subject, makes any statement which is false, and which he either knows or believes to be false or does not believe to be true, is said to give false evidence. A criminal indictment. Possible worlds interpreting of personal reality.
It’s like a child’s game of let’s pretend. I moved into a condo association with connections to corrupt cops and power hungry neighbors. I was stalked and harassed during walks like I was a dangerous criminal. Neighborhood watches are making a game of it. Church groups will stalk targets in Minnesota and play mind games to provoke you into talking to police. When you claim you are being watched an stalked by large groups, which they are organizing, you will probably deemed paranoid. There are lots of websites cluing targets into this “game.” The perpetrators call it a game. I was told this and who put my info into their target list. True story. Never trust the police and lie and play dumb. It is about all you can do. It just so happened I was out of town on a relaxing writers retreat and lo and behold there was a Forensic Psy there who wanted to talk to and get to know me…
"Once more, has not medical science become a professional routine, which many 'practise without being able to say who were their instructors'-the application of a few drugs taken from a book instead of a life-long study of the natures and constitutions of human beings? Do we see as clearly as Hippocrates 'that the nature of the body can only be understood as a whole'? And are not they held to be the wisest physicians who have the greatest distrust of their art?" --Socrates, in Plato's Phaedrus
@@stevekaylor5606Also complex trauma from too much adversity (neglect & violence), loss, verbal abuse, interpersonal trauma. Dr Bessel van der Kolk is one of the few who are honest & realistic about the causes of people seeking psychiatric services.
@@stevekaylor5606Complex Trauma, violence, verbal abuse, neglect. People are only human & have to leave reality when reality is too painful or confronting...which it often is !
A lot of this is a scam. I was homeless for year in LA. many not all, play crazy so that they get SSI checs. The checks are called " crazy checks". Then spend the money on drugs. Life on the street becomes hard so the play crazy to get into jail. " 3 hots and a cot", it's called. The problem is they may get committed for a longer period of time than they wanted and it harder to make them thing you're normal when you have a history of homelessness. And antidepressent didn't work for me. Many of the drugs can have permanent muscle movements. I 've had this for over 60 years now.
There are alternatives. BUT, you don't have to offer an alternative in order to oppose and abolish a pseudo-science cruel and inhumane such as psychiatry. You don't have to offer an alternative for a holocaust, you have to oppose it whether you have an alternative or not. 100 milions of people being drugged with neurotoxins thst prevent them from healing and from being human and that kills more people than it saves is a holocoast.
If you or someone you know is considering coming off of psychiatric drugs, here are some educational resources:
www.madinamerica.com/
withdrawal.theinnercompass.org/
breggin.com/a-guide-for-prescribers-therapists-patients-and-their-families/
medicatingnormal.com/psychiatric-drug-withdrawal/
clinical psychology is just as scientifically empty churning out garbage research and 'therapy' approaches non of which have any efficacy or evidence - you might like to turn a light on your own profession. Interview William M Epstein authors of many excellent books including psychotherapy and the social clinic soothing fictions.
Do you have the link for the paper in Neuron?
You are confirming what I have been saying they need to be made accountable for every person they have wrongly diagnosed with fake illness and whose lives have been harmed permanently
They are criminals and they get their power from the government. Without government cowardly psychiatrists would run and hide.
Give these professionals Due Process!
They need prison time.
@@capresti3537 To correct the their juvenile Practices - a Mental Health Commission should grill 2 or 3 Psychiatrists in public Hearings and send them to prison. Once Accountability has been Established - New Practices should then be Instituted, whereby down-and-people learn to be courteous, kind and creative!
@@stevekaylor5606 The APA should be investigated for medical fraud. Any psychiatrist knowingly prescribing neurotoxic drugs and electric-shocks harming their patients should be arrested prosecuted and jailed.
"If dentistry were Psychiatry , few of us would have teeth!" - my abusive alcoholic oral surgeon Dad. This hurts, I had always maintained he was wrong about that until my personal experience with it and hearing you speak on it.
This interview has brought me to tears. I've been saying this for years. But the "fun" thing is, as a patient. You're deemed extra psychotic for stating these very same facts. Just take your pills, and shut up, has been the attitude that I've been faced with. It is no small thing. Because i was already sectioned forcibly, and refusing medication was deemed a offence. Bless you guys for putting this out there. I hope more will follow. I will never claim that i know the solution to what has been deemed "mental illness" but i most definitely know that society has been dealing with it wrongfully. I won't go into speculation if it has been done on purpose or just out of ignorance. Either way, the discussion has to be opened up for a solution to this issue. Thanks again. I'm just a "patient" who has been reading a lot, and doing my own research. Which would have never resulted to any serious inquiry. So I'm completely dependent on people who have the credentials to speak out on this subject.🙌
I put in a complaint after they wrote obvious lies over drugged me and told me I was lucky to be alive because of this. Then encouraged my abusive family to abuse me the best bit was they ran around telling everyone that I was insane and had dementia and had cognitive problems so don’t know what is going on so they need to get questions answered by me for their records. At the same time I am working and having a peaceful life I have thrown all the mules of the industry out of my life. Their answer was and I quote “ under the circumstances we have behaved reasonably” in short they are not just unethical but criminal .
@@jeanthornton2441 Psychiatrists are locked down - into their own rationales and cultural pessimism!
Keep on brother Timmy, we are all in this together.
Exceptional work. This channel needs to blow up - if only someone with a larger platform could host the perspective that Nick et al. foster a lot of headway could be made in reshaping the narrative that people have been coerced into believing.
Great discussion. The kind that should be shouted from main media houses.
Dr. Cohen, very interested in your thoughts on forced treatment
I love and appreciate your program, your interviews and your thoughts, Sir. This is the first time I have heard anyone mention Edward Bernays in regards to psychiatry, but I have wondered this for a long time.
Great interview. Terrific content. Thanks to both of you. I hope you'll get to speak with Cohen again.
What an incredible interview! Thank you for this.
thank you for this, this has been my ongoing experience of my own struggles with mental health, its a non matter thing for me as an initial cause to put it shortly, simply and it is a relief beyond words to finally get a scientific support on that view!!!!
The passage from Raymond Dolan and colleagues in 'Neuron' is so stark and damning. The latter words of the passage that Dr. Cohen quotes, starting from “[psychiatry’s] most fundamental characteristic is its ignorance” and after, are not actually from Dolan's pen, but from Andrew Scull's in his TLS piece titled ‘The less you know'. And Scull, in turn, is echoing Owen Whooley’s book “On the Heels of Ignorance”.
This is what Dolan meant when he and his team wrote "It remains difficult to refute a critique...". That critique is Scull's (whom they cite), not their own. Just wanted to clarify that. As always, thank you for this fascinating conversation, Nick! Dr. Cohen was edifying on so many levels.
Maybe you could have a chat with Owen Whooley? He seems well positioned to answer the question you put to another guest (I think it was Bruce Levine): how has psychiatry kept recovering from its failures and maintaining its legitimacy throughout its long history? I wonder this too. I think some of Whooley's ideas match some of Levine's, e.g. that when MDs who actually practice medicine don't know what to do with their most perplexing and unmanageable patients, they need a place to send them, and that place has always been the psychiatry unit. But I'm sure Whooley can speak at length on this question of why the field never suffers lasting disrepute.
Good to know your Michel Foucault .
I had a psychiatrist pressure me to take a drug, an anti-psychotic, three times. I had been taking prozac for depression. I told her that i had no psychosis. She said, "I am the Doctor, you are the patient" it was crazy. I ended up trying it, and i had to leave work and rush home because of the dizziness, and then i began to hallucinate unlike any drug ever did to me, and i had done psychedelics... it was insane. The doctors get kickbacks for new drugs.... i;ve heard up to 1k per rx//// wow. closest to what i imagine schizophrenia is like.... it was called geodone...and a long time ago now...but i'll never forget it, and i hope that i never take a psych med ever again.....wow. Talk about pressure- she claimed that it was "for prevention". LOL i mean really.
Psychiatrists are liars and criminals. They trick people into taking their neurotoxin mental illness inducing drugs.
You hope?
Hang in there. Just say no.
THEY WILL DESTROY YOU LIKE THEY DID ME.
This is powerful. Thank you so much.
amazing interview have David back on anytime!
This is so alarming. Has anyone perhaps have more information on this in South Africa?
I really appreciate your series of interviews questioning the fundamental basis that much of psychiatry is built on from diagnosis to the use of drugs and pharmaceuticals.
I wonder if you have ever interview Fritzi Horstman who runs the compassion in prison project as you seem to have done alot of work in the prison population.
I have to say I find Joanna Moncrieff is a little more articulate when it comes to talking about the actual actions of these drugs,in effect being tools for sedation.
excellent work , gentlemen , thank you and keep going strong .
Nick Excellent! hope to meet you one day!
Thanks
Can anyone link to his daughters research he’s talking about? My brother was on antipsychotics to control his behavior starting in early elementary, psychiatrists keep doubling down on this not being a long term problem implicated in his currently disabled state. Would be nice to see some of the data.
Thanks very much for this fantastic interview with up to date information.are there any groups or individuals trying to disseminate this information to general population and/or supporting those who are being coerced into “treatment “ in challenging such coercion,any legal challenges to the state right to force people to take drugs or incarceration.
Only in Italy they have the Basaglia law and now Denmark and Finland also are reducing coercion by law. But it seems like they are extending psychiatry into all segments of society. While many people need real help without the harming.
Madness and Civilization. Profound
Medicating Normal
How can we prevent psychiatrists from doing the dirty job in creating order? They are doing this in children too. very saddening..
Report them to CCHR (Citizens Commission on Human Rights).
@@capresti3537 The CCHR FL has been taking on the red flagging Baker Act there - which can be deployed for many purposes!
@@stevekaylor5606 I hope they expose and stop them. Shrinks are destroying so many lives around the world with their pseudoscience and fraud.
I have to be medicated for all my life because the psyquiatrist says that there is a risk that i smoke weed again. I did not fight phisically during my psycosis. Am I dangerous? He is dangerous. I have much less erections now. From 25 to 30 almost with medication. Thank you psyquiatrist for destroy my youth and maybe my life. Sorry dor that comment but i have to share it or I explote. Love to all. Amor para todos!
If you want to to push back en masse, could we not just refuse the drugs and the manipulation. I agree with what David said about WHOLE countries seemingly turning into psychiatric institutions/ I see those who were not formerly medical (but who willingly do this work for medicine) being drawn in to patrol the margins of normal distress.
Canada is deploying its MAID Act!
Whoever, being legally bound by an oath or by an express provision of law to state the truth, or being bound by law to make a declaration upon any subject, makes any statement which is false, and which he either knows or believes to be false or does not believe to be true, is said to give false evidence. A criminal indictment. Possible worlds interpreting of personal reality.
It’s like a child’s game of let’s pretend. I moved into a condo association with connections to corrupt cops and power hungry neighbors. I was stalked and harassed during walks like I was a dangerous criminal. Neighborhood watches are making a game of it. Church groups will stalk targets in Minnesota and play mind games to provoke you into talking to police. When you claim you are being watched an stalked by large groups, which they are organizing, you will probably deemed paranoid. There are lots of websites cluing targets into this “game.” The perpetrators call it a game. I was told this and who put my info into their target list. True story. Never trust the police and lie and play dumb. It is about all you can do. It just so happened I was out of town on a relaxing writers retreat and lo and behold there was a Forensic Psy there who wanted to talk to and get to know me…
"Once more, has not medical science become a professional routine, which many 'practise without being able to say who were their instructors'-the application of a few drugs taken from a book instead of a life-long study of the natures and constitutions of human beings? Do we see as clearly as Hippocrates 'that the nature of the body can only be understood as a whole'? And are not they held to be the wisest physicians who have the greatest distrust of their art?"
--Socrates, in Plato's Phaedrus
Then what would explain psychosis if there are no real diseases ?
Demoralization, distraction, depression.
@@stevekaylor5606Also complex trauma from too much adversity (neglect & violence), loss, verbal abuse, interpersonal trauma. Dr Bessel van der Kolk is one of the few who are honest & realistic about the causes of people seeking psychiatric services.
@@stevekaylor5606Complex Trauma, violence, verbal abuse, neglect. People are only human & have to leave reality when reality is too painful or confronting...which it often is !
@@kimlec3592 Zen one-pointed meditation is a good way to burn thru abuse, so is the empathic talent training of Howard Glasser!
That may be oversimplifying it a bit perhaps. Just a thought…
Jesus this guy is so so so on the money it’s unfathomable.
Tremendous Discussion! Prof Cohen possess first rate intellect!
👏
Very poignant remarks at the end. And frightening
A lot of this is a scam. I was homeless for year in LA. many not all, play crazy so that they get SSI checs. The checks are called " crazy checks". Then spend the money on drugs. Life on the street becomes hard so the play crazy to get into jail. " 3 hots and a cot", it's called.
The problem is they may get committed for a longer period of time than they wanted and it harder to make them thing you're normal when you have a history of homelessness.
And antidepressent didn't work for me. Many of the drugs can have permanent muscle movements. I 've had this for over 60 years now.
It's easy to be critical of conventional psychiatry. But I notice you don't offer any alternatives.
HEY PEOPLE, off course there are alternatives. THE WORLD OF GESTALT psychology as option.
Look up Dr. Peter Breggin and Dr. Chris Palmer's books. Evidence-based alternatives include therapy and ketogenic nutrition.
@@americanhealthcaresurvivor Breggin's Center for Emphatic Therapy, Howard Glasser's Igniting Greatness!
There are alternatives. BUT, you don't have to offer an alternative in order to oppose and abolish a pseudo-science cruel and inhumane such as psychiatry. You don't have to offer an alternative for a holocaust, you have to oppose it whether you have an alternative or not.
100 milions of people being drugged with neurotoxins thst prevent them from healing and from being human and that kills more people than it saves is a holocoast.
I'm of the opinion that no outside help would have preferable to what happened to me. It made me worse, disabled me for life.
Nowadays one has to be politically correct or get labeled as a racist
I refer over to the Preamble of the Constitution!
Where do you on this channel stand with Scientology and SPtv if at all? I've seen it all, so please use candor or just don't reply.
What if this woman was Lori Daybell?