This is true. Modern day phones are actually a bargain. I haven't realized that until I saw this video. No longer people have to get multiple items separately like years ago. Good job 👍.
To an extent I agree. I think there is one factor though that makes the phone more expensive than it first seams when you consider the devices it replaces. Most of those older devices worked for a long time and did not degrade (become slow or loose battery life or all battery capacity), become insecure (no way to hack a offline device). When those devices batteries where done for (either single use or chargeable AA/AAA batteries) you could cheaply replace them.
It’s amazing how many features smartphones have now. Manufacturers could probably charge even more, and I’d understand-but let’s not give Apple any ideas!
@@simonbernlieger i wonder what apples opinion on a zeiss camera iphone would be. It would be great but probably be a keeper, which would reduce long term sales.
Blame physics. Sensor sizes, apertures, and focal lengths that dimunitive requires computational photography and a shit ton of post processing to get anything decent looking. That means a lot of computational power, for not very much power consumption. The problem is expanded by 3 orders of magnitude once you want good looking 60fps 1080p or 4k videos. Basically, "good camera" isn't just good lens, sensor, and OIS. It also requires a better SOC, which basically means flagship hardware just to get good photographic post processing. Smartphone photography isn't really optical photography. It's 10% optics, 90% processing power.
If you want good picture and video quality without requiring expensive processing power, you'll need to use larger optical elements that can gather enough light. You'll end up with bulky point and shoot camera hardware.
interesting way of looking at it, always feel we don't even fully use these little powerhouse of devices we buy. even a better deal when you get a mid-tier or low-tier phone that hits above its range.
Thank U for reminding us that current smartphone has more versatilty than gadget from almost 2 decades ago. I just want to add that in 2005 you don't have waste money to buy ipod, much cheaper and easier to listen music in Handphone with good sound quality such as Sony Ericsson Walkman types, so many memories using W550i & W850i!
Interesting way of looking at the value in a modern smartphone. Suddenly the new iPhone 16 Pro Max (large enough to double as a small iPad) is a great deal.
I think its relative "fairly" priced, but you also have to consider the wear and tear on smartphones, then the lack of software and security updates at some point. also that apple is ripping of customers with low storage capacities. and we live in a time where we can't just buy software, products and use them forever, we are forced to make subscriptions. But we can all agree that the ps5 pro is overpriced!..
I was reminding my Sister of the rigmarole of needing to load film into a camera and having to take the film to a chemist/pharmacy to be developed. It's easy to forget how the smartphone has revolutionized communication.
I agree with you, but having a single use item does not become a time suck like a smartphone. I am working to get rid of my smartphone and going back those 20 years. I was much happier then.
All these features a smartphone could have, and we only really buy it for social media. I have to admit that the apps I access the most on a smartphone are social media apps.
That's certainly one way to look at it. Although they should be a hell of a lot cheaper. Take away the fashion accessory element and actually charge what you need to make a reasonable profit and they'd be half the price at most.
That's an interesting thing, but if any of these broke/required updating, you didn't need to buy all these things all over again, nor were you locked out of all the rest until you get something else. Broken camera? Just buy another camera. Broken phone? Just buy another phone. Broken camcorder? Just buy another camcorder. Now if your phone breaks, and you have no spare, you're left with no alarm clock, no music (while outside), no camera, no payment (unless you have cash and/or a physical bank card) etc. On the short term, it seems like a bargain, but not when you put that into perspective.
I agree that it is riskier to have "all eggs in one basket"...but it is still better value / cheaper.. Because "broken camera - just by another one, broken camcorder - just by another one" does not sound too good to me either :)
Portable gaming consoles are still a thing though. It's up to Apple to make the iphone into a true gaming device. But storage and endless notifications as well as battery wear are a concern. Just because it can, doesn't mean it should.
The smartphone is a supercomputer in your pocket, and with internet it's also the library of Alexandria. The only thing that makes phones obsolete is lack of software updates. And with how hard it is to load custom ROM on anything except a few flagship devices from Google or Samsung, it's nearly possible to remain safe against new software exploits (or use supported banking software) once you're out of updates. That's the problem with most cheaper phones. If the hardware looks good for cheap prices, check their update policy. It's a nasty surprise how short update support is for non flagship phones on most phone brands. Historically, brands from the former BBK conglomerate and Poco are especially notoriously for this. And if you're using phones from niche or otherwise DTC only companies, what update policy? There's none.
Unfortunately, we are getting locked out of our devices. You have a computer in your pocked which you no longer own (bootloader locked, no OS you want), full of trackers and with the limitations of an mp3 player. The smart phone today can do much much much more, but vendors don’t want you to do so. Same is applicable to tablets. And further we go - the more and more it is going to be applicable to the actual computers. It’s a shame how we traded off our freedoms for a cookie called “small convenience” and “vendor lock”.
We are born of lust, and when I didn't make it at 16 I wanted to die , it was unbearable The counter argument would be not everybody makes it , you would have not made it as well , I am the best and if not I would become the best.
Trouble in the western world, most all phones are black rectangles -- exactly alike. Though I can buy a skin, I would consider a spider man phone if they were still made. Yet we're all carrying black shingles with glass on one side. I would accept fewer features to have an interesting phone.
This is true. Modern day phones are actually a bargain. I haven't realized that until I saw this video. No longer people have to get multiple items separately like years ago. Good job 👍.
To an extent I agree. I think there is one factor though that makes the phone more expensive than it first seams when you consider the devices it replaces. Most of those older devices worked for a long time and did not degrade (become slow or loose battery life or all battery capacity), become insecure (no way to hack a offline device). When those devices batteries where done for (either single use or chargeable AA/AAA batteries) you could cheaply replace them.
That is a valid point! But all in all I still think smartphones are the better value and more convenient.
It’s amazing how many features smartphones have now. Manufacturers could probably charge even more, and I’d understand-but let’s not give Apple any ideas!
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They already do. Assuming an iphone costs 200 usd to produce plus labor. They charge you 800 for it.
the problem is that i HAVE to buy every part of it when i only want a better camera
Yeah... I know :(
But the camera is probably the most expensive part by far..
@@simonbernlieger i wonder what apples opinion on a zeiss camera iphone would be. It would be great but probably be a keeper, which would reduce long term sales.
Blame physics. Sensor sizes, apertures, and focal lengths that dimunitive requires computational photography and a shit ton of post processing to get anything decent looking. That means a lot of computational power, for not very much power consumption.
The problem is expanded by 3 orders of magnitude once you want good looking 60fps 1080p or 4k videos.
Basically, "good camera" isn't just good lens, sensor, and OIS. It also requires a better SOC, which basically means flagship hardware just to get good photographic post processing.
Smartphone photography isn't really optical photography. It's 10% optics, 90% processing power.
If you want good picture and video quality without requiring expensive processing power, you'll need to use larger optical elements that can gather enough light. You'll end up with bulky point and shoot camera hardware.
Thanks for reminding us how lucky we are today to have a brick with all those important tools on it.
I appreciate your nice words!
A samsung with the dex feature is unreal value
Never heard about that
interesting way of looking at it, always feel we don't even fully use these little powerhouse of devices we buy. even a better deal when you get a mid-tier or low-tier phone that hits above its range.
I mean, yeah for sure...99% of us probably never come close to the actual potential a smartphone really provides!
Thank U for reminding us that current smartphone has more versatilty than gadget from almost 2 decades ago.
I just want to add that in 2005 you don't have waste money to buy ipod, much cheaper and easier to listen music in Handphone with good sound quality such as Sony Ericsson Walkman types, so many memories using W550i & W850i!
That is true :)
Interesting way of looking at the value in a modern smartphone. Suddenly the new iPhone 16 Pro Max (large enough to double as a small iPad) is a great deal.
Yes if you can make use of its capabilities it certainly is!
They are very convenient tools arent they. They also can be a cheap flashlight at close range.
That's true, totally forgot that.
I think its relative "fairly" priced, but you also have to consider the wear and tear on smartphones, then the lack of software and security updates at some point. also that apple is ripping of customers with low storage capacities. and we live in a time where we can't just buy software, products and use them forever, we are forced to make subscriptions.
But we can all agree that the ps5 pro is overpriced!..
software subscriptions is actually a real concern yes..today almost everything is a subscription :(
I was reminding my Sister of the rigmarole of needing to load film into a camera and having to take the film to a chemist/pharmacy to be developed. It's easy to forget how the smartphone has revolutionized communication.
…and hoping that the pictures turned out ok 🙈
An obligatory comment to boost your channel for youtube algorithm. Good video.
Aaah, I appreciate that! :)
I agree with you, but having a single use item does not become a time suck like a smartphone. I am working to get rid of my smartphone and going back those 20 years. I was much happier then.
All these features a smartphone could have, and we only really buy it for social media. I have to admit that the apps I access the most on a smartphone are social media apps.
Yes we hardly use the devices to its full potential unfortunately
Yes that is unfortunately true as well :/ Especially social media.
The phone is a bargain, but we all pay the price now in the attention economy.
True as well..
All of the things you mentioned can be done on $200-300 smartphone as well
essentially it depends on what you expect from the camera…but in general - yes of course, which makes phones an even better value
That's certainly one way to look at it. Although they should be a hell of a lot cheaper. Take away the fashion accessory element and actually charge what you need to make a reasonable profit and they'd be half the price at most.
won't ever happen unfortunately
Really good video, thanks for sharing!
Thank you very much for your kind words!
That's an interesting thing, but if any of these broke/required updating, you didn't need to buy all these things all over again, nor were you locked out of all the rest until you get something else. Broken camera? Just buy another camera. Broken phone? Just buy another phone. Broken camcorder? Just buy another camcorder. Now if your phone breaks, and you have no spare, you're left with no alarm clock, no music (while outside), no camera, no payment (unless you have cash and/or a physical bank card) etc.
On the short term, it seems like a bargain, but not when you put that into perspective.
I agree that it is riskier to have "all eggs in one basket"...but it is still better value / cheaper.. Because "broken camera - just by another one, broken camcorder - just by another one" does not sound too good to me either :)
@@simonbernlieger It depends on how often are you breaking them ;)
Portable gaming consoles are still a thing though. It's up to Apple to make the iphone into a true gaming device. But storage and endless notifications as well as battery wear are a concern. Just because it can, doesn't mean it should.
Interesting..I was of the impression that portable gaming consoles are way less popular than they used to be. Do you specifically have one?
You forget the internet it’s a full on computer in our pockets
The smartphone is a supercomputer in your pocket, and with internet it's also the library of Alexandria.
The only thing that makes phones obsolete is lack of software updates.
And with how hard it is to load custom ROM on anything except a few flagship devices from Google or Samsung, it's nearly possible to remain safe against new software exploits (or use supported banking software) once you're out of updates.
That's the problem with most cheaper phones. If the hardware looks good for cheap prices, check their update policy.
It's a nasty surprise how short update support is for non flagship phones on most phone brands. Historically, brands from the former BBK conglomerate and Poco are especially notoriously for this. And if you're using phones from niche or otherwise DTC only companies, what update policy? There's none.
Yes, but thankfully that improved a bit..Google, Samsung and Apple all promise software updates for quite a long time now.
you're a joke bro
Unfortunately, we are getting locked out of our devices. You have a computer in your pocked which you no longer own (bootloader locked, no OS you want), full of trackers and with the limitations of an mp3 player. The smart phone today can do much much much more, but vendors don’t want you to do so. Same is applicable to tablets. And further we go - the more and more it is going to be applicable to the actual computers. It’s a shame how we traded off our freedoms for a cookie called “small convenience” and “vendor lock”.
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This was Tim Cook's reasoning for Iphone 's X $999 pricing.
He has a point I guess
I think in Steve Jobs first iPhone presentation this is the value added proposition he came up with as well.
Yes!
Great video
Thx!
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Nice perspective brother. Which watch is there on your wrist ?
Thank you so much! It is an old Seiko 5 from the late 80s (used to belong to my late father)
@@simonbernlieger Great!!
cheap? i can get a 43” for 300$ lol
But can you put it into your pocket?
We are born of lust, and when I didn't make it at 16 I wanted to die , it was unbearable
The counter argument would be not everybody makes it , you would have not made it as well , I am the best and if not I would become the best.
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True!
Trouble in the western world, most all phones are black rectangles -- exactly alike. Though I can buy a skin, I would consider a spider man phone if they were still made. Yet we're all carrying black shingles with glass on one side. I would accept fewer features to have an interesting phone.
Interesting take! I would also love more "exciting" phones