Checking My Rover 75 For The First time - Good News Or Bad?

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  • @tukaruss8680
    @tukaruss8680 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    I own 4 MG ZT-Ts MK2 and 1 MG ZT V6 mk1
    Common issues I've faced are as follows.
    1) the drainds on the front of the belt head block uo with leaves and dirt then can fill up and get in the ECU.
    2) front and rear springs fracture ones on front will snap and pierce the tyre.
    3) rear light cluster seals that will let water into your boot.
    4) SRS airbag light as when moving seat to different positions pulls on the wire connections under the seat.
    5) rear suspension arms rotting though as water sits inside the cup.
    6) the sills are known to be main cause of rotting though.
    7) front drop links fail regularly .
    8) v6 model thermostat plastic housing splits and also oil cooler blocks up.
    Thats some of the main issues I've faced with my fleet.

  • @gazzafloss
    @gazzafloss 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    Jack, Happy 2024. Looks like Pistachio, your cat, would like to become an inspector of motor vehicles, take care it doesn't end up going for a ride in the under bonnet area as my cat, Sammy, once did in my friends Triumph 2500, it was lucky to get out at the next stop with no bits missing, (except for the two the vet had already removed when he was a kitten). All so very cute and inquisitive, as cats tend to be.

  • @stephenboitoult8774
    @stephenboitoult8774 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    Some hints and tips for Rover 75 owners.
    1) the front springs break and will take out the tyre 90% of times. If it hasn't already, get some spring guards and fit them, they aren't expensive! Rimmer Bros sell them.
    2) some of the biggest problems are caused by water ingress meeting electrical items. Especially in the boot and around the fuse/relay board on the passenger bulkhead behind the glovebox. If you thought the Jag was bad for water leaks, these are the champs!
    3) More than once, i've had a MAF sensor fail and it shows up on diagnostic as intake temp sensor, and in life as an unresponsive throttle. Just a quirk of the diagnostics I think! But you have been warned.
    4) They don't rot to speak of but are very heavy on front suspension components.

  • @willsmith3062
    @willsmith3062 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Nice car Jack and amazing condition underneath. My 20 yr old ZT-T with 225k miles just completed a 2200 mile round trip to Copenhagen with zero issues.

  • @bobmcl2406
    @bobmcl2406 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +18

    Speaking as one who has chased many (many many) water leaks, sometimes it's also just a good idea to drill an exit hole from wherever the water accumulates. Cheers!

    • @UnusSedLeo-w5l
      @UnusSedLeo-w5l 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Like in the old days, cars came standard with these holes, just covered by some rubber. Drained several Opels with leak issues, all collecting in the trunk.

  • @Sorted7
    @Sorted7 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +21

    75s r well known for the rear light gaskets to let in water. Might wanna check them too

  • @furiousdriving
    @furiousdriving 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Having also dealt with a damp 75 boot, the other usual spot is the holes in the side further external chrome trim, and won’t show up if you’re hose testing the boot seal-just undo the plastic nuts behind the boot side trim and find our old friend mr silicon again and that will cure it

  • @simonfindlow7478
    @simonfindlow7478 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Well done sorting the leak, and your lovely cat helping you.

  • @tonycamplin8607
    @tonycamplin8607 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    As I said when you first got it Rover 75s are really fantastic cars and it looks like you've got one of the best,it's virtually rust free underneath.

  • @davidcrompton4071
    @davidcrompton4071 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +52

    I like watching your channel but please protect your eyes if you’re brushing rusty metal especially when you are looking upwards.

    • @SloverOfTeuth
      @SloverOfTeuth 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I took a ride to A&E as a teenager to have some rust taken out of my eye, and was thinking exactly the same thing.

    • @Tiz147
      @Tiz147 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Just make sure you use your safety squint and you'll be fine.

    • @skylined5534
      @skylined5534 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@Tiz147
      Is that you, Derek B?!

    • @harveysmith100
      @harveysmith100 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      OH YES

  • @patrickhostler5939
    @patrickhostler5939 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    That looks astonishingly good considering its age. You’ve bought a gem there!!!

  • @rickfulton2353
    @rickfulton2353 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    so nice to see car stuff no JUST reviews. Hope to see many more repair videos

  • @jonathancole9829
    @jonathancole9829 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Many moons ago, I had to deliver one of those to a garage in Torquay.
    Unfortunately I had to pull over on the A380 and have it taken the rest of the way on the back of an AA truck.
    When we pulled up at the car sales, the owner of the premises just stood there and said "what's happened to my car?"
    I told him the cambelt had gone, to which he asked how I knew.
    I walked over to him and just plonked a load of engine block pieces in his hands.
    The look on his face was priceless, pure shock, and disbelief.
    I said, "Sorry about that, have you got the keys for the Peugeot 206 180 gti I jave to take back to our place?"
    The drive back in the little 180 gti was a blast. Great little hot hatch.
    Sadly the Rover was a bit of a let down.

  • @ianjenkins4641
    @ianjenkins4641 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Cover the area in talcum powder then close the boot and spray with water.
    Open the boot and you will see where the water is getting in from marks in the talcum powder

  • @anthonywbelcher
    @anthonywbelcher 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    You should have used Aquaseel Rust Converter. Aquasteel is a unique corrosion control system developed by Bayer-Wood Technologies which reacts with the rust, converting it into a complex organic iron compound. This copolymer latex emulsion system dries to form a black, impermeable barrier to oxygen and moisture which helps prevent the formation of new rust

  • @peterwolf9199
    @peterwolf9199 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Always glad to see your helper at work!

  • @001smudge
    @001smudge 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Love 75s, but yours is soooo clean underneath. Mine (mk1 Tourer) is currently on SORN with welding needed for corrosion in the sills that yours, thankfully seems to be clear of. :)

  • @andrewpreston4127
    @andrewpreston4127 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +40

    Well, for a near 20 year old, that car is in absolutely cracking condition underneath.

    • @Lemma01
      @Lemma01 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Just what I was going to say.

  • @paultaylor9652
    @paultaylor9652 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Love this Rover series of videos Jack, the only thing missing on the car is a correct rear numberplate.

    • @itchyscratch3829
      @itchyscratch3829 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yes. Demon Plates do the "smiley" 75 plates, high quality and very small logo in the top corner, barely visible (required by law).

  • @scotty6346
    @scotty6346 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    I like 75's, That's a really solid car, So little rust underneath considering it's age 👍

  • @adrianfowles7250
    @adrianfowles7250 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    The view underneath reveals a nice large prop tunnel and plenty of room for a rear diff ;-)

  • @TheRonburgandy
    @TheRonburgandy 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I had uneven tyre wear and not right feeling steering on my 75 despite it only recently having the wheels aligned. I took it in for 4 wheel alignment at national tyres and also did a turkey baster flush on the pas fluid at the expansion tank and it now steers majestically.

  • @grumpyoldgit8254
    @grumpyoldgit8254 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Had the V6 many years ago , loved it

  • @kfkwAL7
    @kfkwAL7 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Jack let me know if you’re ever selling this. I’ve had 6 over the years and fancy another. The rear lights are bad for leaking, (easy job just unbolt, silicone and put back) there’s a great community for these cars. Check engine mounts (bottom one is easy to do and don’t tend to last on the diesels very long) the m47r engine is great, synergy tuning box upgrades are great. Lots available to modernise in car entertainment and lights etc are easily available. I think it’s aged well.

  • @person.X.
    @person.X. 20 วันที่ผ่านมา

    My best friend was a production engineer at Rover in the 90s working on the 75 project. He had a pre production model as his company car well before they were on sale. It was a lot of fun driving around in it with people staring at it wondering what it was.

  • @lestrem11
    @lestrem11 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Definitely a car ‘ of its day’. But, if you enjoy driving around and feeling you are sitting very comfortably in a ‘gentleman’s club’ then this car is ideal.👍

  • @sparky4878
    @sparky4878 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Re. Pistachio's obedience, it's because cats understand English perfectly. That's how they do the exact opposite of whatever you tell them.

  • @BEGGARWOOD1
    @BEGGARWOOD1 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Thanks for taking us back to summer ❤

  • @mrdainase
    @mrdainase 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Jack, the owners club has loads of info about rear leaks from the light seals, waistline trim and rear screen, well worth reading up on it all over there.

  • @sainta2667
    @sainta2667 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Looks good! Actually you got the most beautiful version of the 75.

  • @lesklower7281
    @lesklower7281 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Good to see that from underneath your Rover 75 is pretty good and you took some rust preventive measures and sealant applied around the boot area you stopped the inbres of water

  • @stephenricketts7764
    @stephenricketts7764 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I think Glen has looked after that car very well. Doing the tracking was a good idea it isn't something people often think of as needing to be checked unless it fails the MOT, no reflection on Glen. You seem to get cars with water ingress jack maybe they find you 🙂. I would keep it for the winter at least as used car prices are dropping anyway so you have nothing to gain by selling now. Great video Jack and cat! (They have staff don't they? 🐾So no need to be obedient.) 👍👍

  • @geoffreyhallam6228
    @geoffreyhallam6228 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I think it only goes to show that these were actually a really good quality car. I was never really taken with them when new but when I see a well preserved one I cant help but think what a beautiful car.

  • @daniellee9015
    @daniellee9015 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Absolutely brilliant video jack she's spotless underneath brilliant ❤👍

  • @loomspace
    @loomspace 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    And just like that, with the misspelling of one word, my entire perception of Jack changed.😉

  • @UnusSedLeo-w5l
    @UnusSedLeo-w5l 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    That 75 really looked good underneath. Good idea to protect it, but it could also have been a 5 or 6 year old car. Well done on the purchase!

  • @aslandama
    @aslandama 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    A very smart car I think, especially in black!

  • @jimhutton4352
    @jimhutton4352 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Would love to see a video on a Rover 220 Tomcat if you could find one Jack, always fancied one back in the day but never quite got there 👍🏻

    • @gordonmynard855
      @gordonmynard855 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Furious Driving has a Tomcat

  • @ianmosdell
    @ianmosdell 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I had one for 7 years and sold it with 315,000 miles on it, was so reliable.

  • @sebastiend.5335
    @sebastiend.5335 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Happy new year from the Netherlands Jack!
    I've been relishing your videos this past year. Keep it up! ;)

  • @BRED510
    @BRED510 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    If the steering rack is leaking, that might be what is giving you that slightly odd feeling to it.

  • @robertpalmer5803
    @robertpalmer5803 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Very good condition underneath....the movement is normal in the arms as they are rubber mounted....the rear suspension arms are notorious for rusting in the 75...salt gets at them...yes rear lights can let water in....

  • @davebarron5939
    @davebarron5939 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Damn, that's in great shape, I would use it for a winter "beater" then sell it in the spring, saves all the other cars. Cheers!

  • @aaronhouston7326
    @aaronhouston7326 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Did you fill the tank up full before getting the alignment set that's how they were aligned from factory

  • @brianredmond4919
    @brianredmond4919 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Im on my second tourer version - brilliant cars. Breaking front springs and ripping the tyre was the worst thing in 6 years. Had to replace the rear arms at 170,000 so prevention is better. Had a boot water leak which turned out to be passenger side external chrome trim on the tourer.

  • @rolfsvensson5777
    @rolfsvensson5777 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Yes Jack! Gloves and glasses and a mask! Happy to see that it is not just Gin and Tonic but the good stuff! Smile! Oh! Like so many said it! Love the cat!

  • @alanolley7286
    @alanolley7286 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I have two one is a tourer ,been very good cars .

    • @kidcowdy1231
      @kidcowdy1231 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      There amazing, can’t get over how much fun they are to drive, and how well they ride and handle.

  • @gairnmclennan5876
    @gairnmclennan5876 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I had an 820 sterling with the v6 Honda in it. That was the only bit that worked! I had it at about 12 years old in New Zealand.
    Funny you bring up wheel alignment as I found it would not stay aligned. One pothole and it was off alignment. Only one car I think I've had that was this bad ....a Citroen bx diesel at about 10 years of age. In Edinburgh.

  • @mercedesvan-doors34
    @mercedesvan-doors34 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    For a car its age this is a very nice example. They are nice cars to own, I've been running them for years and my current example is a 2005 MG ZT T, I bought it 2 MOT's ago from a guy who was waiting for the breakers yard to collect i and paid £25 more then the breaker was going to. So far replaced rear swinging arms and a set of brake discs at the front. currently 190k and going strong. One point I would make is keep an eye on corrosion in the rear arms and sub frame and rear light gaskets can fail and leak. I always thought these looked very nice in black, bit thuggish. What about a little bit of 'customisation'? The diesels have various kits to improve power output and a little lowering gives them a meaner stance. Might be a nice project.

  • @MarcosCodas
    @MarcosCodas 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Glenn is such a legend.

  • @35geordielad
    @35geordielad 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    If you find water in the boot, the problem is the rear light cluster rubber seals have perished ...they are renound for leaking . Water ingress into the foot wells will be due to the bulk head flooded and would affect the ECU also

  • @rustynut9uk897
    @rustynut9uk897 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    The rear chrome trim on the quarter panel

  • @oligoon
    @oligoon 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    nice to see you do something as unloved as a rover 75 - had one as a hire car once and the driving experience certainly wasn't sporting.

  • @TheMrFishnDucks
    @TheMrFishnDucks 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Nice vlog. Hopefully these fixes work. Very cute cat. Keep up the good work.

  • @DaleSteel
    @DaleSteel 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Looks mint underneath

  • @kelstra1997
    @kelstra1997 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    A nice replacement for the 75 would be the V8 MG version. Not easy to find and expensive if you do locate one but a really nice car.

    • @odl21
      @odl21 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I had one - was pretty rubbish actually. Although I wanted it to be great.

    • @kelstra1997
      @kelstra1997 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@odl21 I guess it's a case of "Distance makes the heart grow fonder" I live in Australia and I don't think they ever came here - not officially anyway. My only knowledge of them is what I see on line and they generally seem to be regarded fairly well. Having owned one you obviously have had "hands on experience" and clearly this is the only true way to evaluate them.

  • @mark261166
    @mark261166 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I always wanted a Rover 75. I did have a 623GSi that had 195000 on the clock when the doors and body started to rot.

  • @paulriggers1558
    @paulriggers1558 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    in 1999, on a training course at gaydon, we had bags of sand to put on the seats to pre-load the suspension, before doing geometry. those sandbags were to BMW spec, cost over £1k, with no sand in, you had to buy it + weigh it in yourself...
    good walkaround + checkover by yourself, it almost looked like you knew what you were doing... canny car for a 20yo all the best for '24

  • @kidcowdy1231
    @kidcowdy1231 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Just got the wife a 75 tourer as a first car and I’m smitten with it, when ever I get the chance I nick it, to put that in context my car is a e61 535d, if I had my way I’d swap with her 😂😂

  • @truebluemiata
    @truebluemiata 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hi Jack. So glad you got you latest up and running.
    I'm wondering about your using Lanoguard and Dinitrol. Perhaps you could take some time talking about them. Here in the States we had Ziebart rust "proofing" but I'm not aware that these get used much here anymore.

  • @davidarnold11
    @davidarnold11 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Had a 75 for 10 years, the rear light gaskets split and let in water to the boot. Replace.

  • @thedetailingdoctor5746
    @thedetailingdoctor5746 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Rear trailing arm is like a e46 3series nice to see the bmw parts being used well

  • @jabbalechat7910
    @jabbalechat7910 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The Americans spray the undersides of their cars with a mix of diesel and chainsaw oil for winter, which remains slightly sticky so that dust and dirt stick, forming an addition protective layer. Have a word with Mustie1, he lives in New Hampshire, via his YT channel for mix ratio etc...

  • @michaelstaley2241
    @michaelstaley2241 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Nice cat Jack, good content happy new year..

  • @simonhodgetts6530
    @simonhodgetts6530 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    That looks very tidy 👍

  • @ctsgarage5304
    @ctsgarage5304 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    My cat likes to look at what I’m working and has 2 oil marks on his back. The now calls him diesel Daryl 😂 😂

  • @rovercoupe7104
    @rovercoupe7104 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Mine is on 220,020 miles.

  • @01jvb
    @01jvb 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    I think you mean sieve, not siv.

  • @neildonaldsonlotusexcelresto
    @neildonaldsonlotusexcelresto 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Thanks for the tips Jack, I have a couple of leaking issues myself :-)

  • @vidfletch
    @vidfletch 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    If you like it, that's all that matters.

  • @Tinker2006
    @Tinker2006 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    You like cars with water leaks 🤣 Again interesting video - All the best for 2024 and hopefully loads more videos

  • @eric-wb7gj
    @eric-wb7gj 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Thanks Jack, more good content 🙏🙏

  • @Cayres9
    @Cayres9 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Good car the 75 was as long as you got the one with the BMW engine , as on another channel i watch the chap made the mistake of buying one with a K-series engine lol and guess what? Head gasket was gone and the crafty seller had used K-seal and removed the thermostat to try to hide the issue not good.

  • @chrissdavey
    @chrissdavey 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Looks like 3 series front and rear suspension. Great cars these 👍

  • @glen100100
    @glen100100 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great video again Jack

  • @rhettcorcoran2879
    @rhettcorcoran2879 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Great video, love the cat!

  • @christaylor6640
    @christaylor6640 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Love the cat !

  • @jedi-mic
    @jedi-mic 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Yeah maybe how much? What's the diesel engines like on them reliable high mileage? what generally goes wrong.
    parts easy to get hold of. I'm in the south east sounds like you might be close.

    • @rogue1165
      @rogue1165 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      mine is on 204k... Just run in :)

  • @leccybadger
    @leccybadger 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Cats. Always willing to lend a paw of assistance 😹

    • @Number27
      @Number27  10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      🤪🤪

  • @In_memory_of_Dad
    @In_memory_of_Dad 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Jack I have the same problem with my MG ZT 260 V8 with water getting into the back, I will try and fix it the way you did and will report back?

  • @barthomer1000
    @barthomer1000 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I'm looking at the moment for a Rover 75 not sure which one I've had 6 over years a Diesel no cam belts a 1.8 turbo petrol or the 2.5 V6 a few for sale at the moment but all due for cam belt changes £££😮 I had water through the sunroof drain hoses that go under the dash poorly fitted by Rover soaking wet carpet completely removed seats out .

  • @colinblick8946
    @colinblick8946 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    At least your cat rates it….. now it’s dry 😂👌🏽

  • @Simon-ui6db
    @Simon-ui6db 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Nasty flatspot on that rim at 2:05

  • @Silver3ides
    @Silver3ides 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Try a Gummi Pfleger Rubber Care product before going the messy and looks awful silicon route . Just a thought .

  • @garymorris801
    @garymorris801 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Fab mate mine leaked via the rear lamps

  • @johnmac8084
    @johnmac8084 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Good news underneath the car then Jack

  • @brucemay5409
    @brucemay5409 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great video.Nice car and car!😊

  • @ridgmont61
    @ridgmont61 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Just checking Jack - did you buy the car specifically for the number plate? (BJ4U!)

  • @jamesprince4991
    @jamesprince4991 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Sieve?

  • @richfixescars
    @richfixescars 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    BMW Z axle at the rear I think, like an E46.

  • @alaricbragg7843
    @alaricbragg7843 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I enjoy your views on the 75! I have even ordered a Corgi Vanguards model of one! Is it easy to obtain spare parts for these cars from China? They were produced there for a considerable time after Rover closed!

    • @itchyscratch3829
      @itchyscratch3829 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      In UK most people use Rimmers and DMGRS for Rover spare parts. The diesel version shares parts with BMWs as it's a modified BMW engine. Suspension and brakes parts easy to find on Ebay in various budget levels, too.

  • @stanelder9995
    @stanelder9995 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Love me a Rover 75 - great choice! 😂

  • @alexeijolkin7851
    @alexeijolkin7851 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The bushings & joints should be always checked with the normal load on all wheels. You should drive on the ramp-style lift, not this one with the wheels hanging down, which you use here.

  • @geekandguide
    @geekandguide 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Intrigued by what looked like the reversing lights flashing at the end of the video. Is this something triggered by the boot being open?

  • @nickc6882
    @nickc6882 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    “Sieve ?”

  • @nickyburnell
    @nickyburnell 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Siv? You mean sieve!

  • @otwinserpent
    @otwinserpent 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Man, please start wearing safety goggles while you brush rust above your head! I cringe every time I see you do that, and grateful metal flakes haven't rained down on your eyeballs yet. Love your videos!

  • @nearlythere9443
    @nearlythere9443 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Is that an Abarth (red car) in the garage unit where you had the Rover?

  • @leuvenlife
    @leuvenlife 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I'm sure you meant 'sieve'..?

  • @macmanipowermacbookprair4110
    @macmanipowermacbookprair4110 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    You should get a Peugeot 607 2.7HDi, very nice engine. Not the most reliable but might be fun.