2023 BMW M2 (G87): Don’t complain that it’s bigger!
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- MotoMan heads to Carefree, Arizona to drive the all new 2023 @BMW M2 and learns that dimensional changes in moving to the G87 generation of @BMWM2 do have an impact on the way the M2 drives, yet not in the way one would think but they do pose a question about the most basic @BMWUSA M4 . . .
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'Lets take 500lbs out of it, but not make it a hundred grand'. Brilliant suggestion, Motoman and an excellent review as always.
I'm sure everybody wants that but is it even possible? You can delete the seats and the sound deadening but I think the CLAR architecture that underpins this car and something like a BMW SUV has too much flexibility and cost-savings in materials baked in that engineering it to be lighter and more focused isn't possible without making an expensive bespoke chassis like a z4. Keep in mind the new CSL 3.0 based on the M4, they had to make the body panels carbon fiber to get the weight down over an m4 csl.
@@jw6188 you're right, but that's issue with BMW's CLAR strategy. They deprioritized the ability to make lighter, smaller cars.
Unfortunately it makes business sense given sales volumes (mostly SUVs) and cost savings from platform sharing.
Agreed...hell, I'd be happy with 250lbs out of it; but 500 is better...;-)
Sounds like the F87 M2
I'm a now retired mechanical design engineer and life long car enthusiast. A 500 weight reduction at anything remotely resembling this price point is pure fantasy, even with a gutted interior. Most of the weight is structural. Would need an all aluminum structure plus all carbon panels plus a stripped interior devoid of all luxury options (including AC) to even get close to that weight.
Okay. Nice, and the grill is horizontal. No Bugs Bunny teeth 😀!
I dig it. It looks good here, better than the spy photos a few months ago.
This is the modern version of my long gone 2001 E46 M3 2-door Manual .. one of best cars I've ever had ... Thanks !!
I keep saying this and just wait. People are going to want this car in 5 years
Whoever defends M2 or 2 series as a whole really missed the point. Previous M2 is so great because it can actually fit 2 normal sized adult back there. New M2 is not only bigger and heavier, the rear seat space and roofline are actually worse than previous car. How is that possible? I don't know.
"dont complain that the car is to big". Right after "for the wishlist lets make the car 500lbs lighter".... or just make the car smaller...
I couldn’t think my E92 could get better looking but every time BMW comes with a new car it seems to be get better
Hold on tight, never let her go.
Truth!
Great review, thanks. As one who is half American-Irish and half Latino (paternal grandma was indigenous Mexican and my Dad was born in Guadalajara), I can say you pronounced San Luis Potosî 90% correctly. "poh-toh-SEE" is the correct way. Well done!
The laptops on the dash ruin this car..
Come on BMW it’s NOT a Tesla..
BMW has proven that a car-any car- with a stiff and well- engineered chassis could both be comfortable and civilized to drive under everyday conditions and perform astonishing feats on the racetrack.
Absolute home run... with the exception of the glass dash.... dislike that design immensely. All in all, huge props to the BMW people!
This looks so much better in red than that baby blue…
Looks fantastic, but I wouldn’t swop my G29 Z4 for it based on looks.
@Motoman delivered a complete M sermon today! Thanks mate. Brilliant video. 👌🏽
Touché:)
Don’t complain that it’s bigger, just complain that it looks worse than the car it replaces? And man the screen that’s just stuck onto the dash looks so tacky.
Still leaps and bounds better than the interior it replaces
@@chamaldealwis9 with that screen? no chance. Maybe than the regular M2 sure, but not the M2 comp with the updated gauges, idrive and better seats.
@@blues3531 people complained about the previous gens screen now y'all are complaining about this 😂 I swear bmw critics are the hardest to please
🥸This is the Best looking M2 . E30 vibes . Dash looks ugly on video but seamless when in the car . And How old are you people complaining about it’s looks😂 ?
Looks absolutely better, previous one feels like it's still stuck in post-2000 visual aesthetics. That's why it feels boring, because you don't have any option than comparing previous m2 to other models. New m2 has it's own place and more character, especially with pony car vibes.
I see M-M car reviews of interest and I’m all on it. Once again, M-M delivers the goods with no frills & no BS. Short/sweet & to the point with no gimmicks! Review is spot on as usual! I concur with your assessment. Well done. Car is mega; I do wish it was a bit lighter though. Outside of weight, this is my only criticism. It’s my BMW of choice. I even like/prefer it over the last iteration… cheers/B
What does the car gain from 4 inches more length ? Back seat room, trunk space, easier engine service access ... ?
Seeing the different reviews on this car is interesting, because some reviewers think it's a step backwards from the previous gen.
Yes, this was the most positive review I've seen by far. I think reality is somewhere in the middle.
M2cs👍This is a step backwards but yet not surprising.
Just a FYI, I came here from your G70 video you put out today.
ALSO ON WISHLIST: Individual Manufaktur Paints!?!?!?
definetly changing my F87 for this. this is the real deal, all F87 is just a beta version. this G87 is the finished M2 what it should have been
I agree to your design perspective. The Crown Jewel of this car is the rear quarter panel leading upto the c pillar/rear deck. It has that fat rear fenders screaming I am a rear wheel drive like the mz3 coupe and porsche 993 turbo. Homage to the e30 fender design, the front end is a bit lacking but the overall proportion, stance, and presence is spot on with the other m cars.
Yes! Exactly most idiots don’t understand what they are looking at , the longer wheel base makes it look better . I own e46 m3 lol
I love the looks of this car.
1:33
That brace on the engine is so massive. It’s like they’re taking this seriously
He did say its much stiffer than the old m2
I believe that picture is an error. I believe that brace is from the M4 CSL
A Mexican German car?
Too heavy
Sounds like BMW is piping in a throaty exhaust note through the speakers.
Don't complain? It's as large as old M4 and it's 1750KG! This is the "smallest" sports coupe they have left. It's absurd.
I was thinking of ordering a 2024 Mustang Dark Horse but the prices are the same as M2 so hmmmm...... Yeah, M2. Thanks for building this BMW! And thanks MotoMan for the review!!
Mustang has a V8 and a handbrake though, which might be enough to sway me. I'm between the same two cars.
@@FurkanCemTurfanda since the M2 is turbo the simple chip tuning options are outrageous bang for buck
I, too, am blown away by Dark Horse pricing. Once you get into that price range, there are MANY options and few would be prudent to pick the Mustang.
@@MotoManTV I spec'd a Mustang GT heavily and it was only $6K away from the Dark Horse. Perhaps the Tremec 6-speed, the beefed up engine bits, and the limited production numbers will be in its favor. Looking forward to your review, sir!
Seats still crooked??
The front looks like a 2010 Dodge Magnum
Cayman 4.0 is 30k more and I’d find it somehow.
im sad and happy to be apart of this era of internal combustion cars, the peak of IC cars but the near end of them especially in manunal form.
I'll take the automatic cuz' it's faster & better; however I somehow understand the manual need to be mindset 🇺🇲
Long live the manual transmission.
I have one on order and since I am not tracking it I didn't get the carbon fiber package. I wanted the sunroof (I live in Florida) and the manual transmission. Love the car, you have got to see one before you pass judgement.
If only they would actually put real gauges in the car. The tack on screens really hurt an otherwise good effort
Surprisingly, I really like the new body style and tech but what I’m disappointed in is they added the S58 engine at 453H.P. and only get 0-60 in 4.1 seconds. Meh. I realize there’s more bracing, it’s longer and wider, and and a disappointing 3900 lbs. but it seems like they’re going backwards. I searched for 2 years for a used 2018 M2 because I felt it was the perfect sized car with performance. At $73,000 there are much better choices to beat the performance stats than the 2023.🙁
BMW always underreports their 0-60 and HP
@@hardchemist yup it’s actually 3.7 verified with the 8 speed.
@@Bimmer_Bill I’d guess 3.9 with the manual and some practice.
How about BMW does what Porsche does with the T range? Base engine in the 2 series with some of the suspension from the M2 and a manual transmission for a price lower than the M2.
Different approach here. The engine is a HUGE part of this equation and is light years above other BMW inline sixes. Porsche on the other hand already has a great basic engine. Only real difference between each version is output - almost feels as if you are turning up the volume on the same engine.
@@MotoManTV so which would you take Motoman, Porsche Touring or new M2?🙂
I dont understand why this car is getting hate out the gate, "To fat to be furious"? really. This car has almost the exact same specs ilas the 6.4 hemi from the 292 SCATPACK Challeneger and Charger. This is coming from an inline 6cylinder turbo thats wild. Pulling from allmost the same powerband as an upgraded refreshed V8! These days we really are spoiled and Do Not take enough time to appreciate engineers behind these cars. It's impressive how they did that. I appreciate this review, i can tell you actually Appreciate modern engineering and quality cars
Thanks for noticing, Michael!
@@MotoManTV No, Thank you for an unbiased review. As consumers we want to know what it's like from a consumer point of view and based on your review i get a since that BMW treats this like a special edition type of car, with how "different" the specs and chassis materials are from other cars in the same class. Like for instance you mentioned the car Does hug the road and tight turns but only When those 255's get that weight on the outside tires from an inside turn, maybe i would want to know that as a consumer to see if i would need to upgrade the tires or keep shopping for the type of car im looking for. Thats what i mean, thats useful to know.
Motoman is another reviewer who got convinced by BMW to love this pig. So far, only throttle house has kept it real.
th-cam.com/video/5uT4s_NWBN0/w-d-xo.html
You have been doing this for at least 8 years Why only 250k subs
I knew Baby Jesus wanted me to have this car!!
Like the new video format, keep it up guys
Same old same old it’s heavier more power it’s bigger but better because it’s new, throttle house is where the reviews are they aren’t worried about upsetting a brand 😂
Actually looks better than the XM, i7, X7 - hold on this list is never going to end…..!!! But wait for the Competition or CSL - you know it will be even better!!
“Take 500 lbs out of it” - Yes! Great video as always thank you.
My pleasure.
Hopefully the aftermarket will provide some relief. The front of this car makes the grills on the m3/m4 look good.
The front lights in proportion to the grille looks like the current z4. (To me)
So this M2 is going to make the previous chassis feel dated in comparison an is why there is bemoaning. It’s still going to work well on narrow roads in Europe and is a great size for the US market. Nice analysis and presentation. 💯#funperpound #m2nirvana 11:00
It doesn't though. Lower power to weight than the last f87, less rear headroom, cast wheels, less standard CF, peakier boost, hideous styling. No thanks.
@@cwx8 Not to mention that the m240i is faster. The m2 (older one)out performed the lesser model when it launched. The m2 is a failure. Get a m240i and throw an aftermarket suspension on it
@@ToneysReviews what about F87 M2 competition? huh? That will ruin the m240i on the track.
@@kimeric7673 you do realize the m240i has been pitted against the comp and beat it. See throttle house
@@ToneysReviews No you are wrong. B58 can't beat the S55. m240i is not even a real M.
With the M Performance Parts body kit, please. Skip the big wing, though. I want the CSL fixed bucket seats. Back seat delete plus a clubsport type of roll cage. In fact, I want a M2 CSL.
Not a bad idea . . . but as stated in the episode, not US$100,000.
WOW!!!!!!!!! Great car which I ordered a few weeks ago. I can't wait for her to arrive🥶
I was going to buy one but the $10k markup killed it.
@@rembo183 Where is this markup you speak of?
Love the look of this car…..with aftermarket carbon on it……it looks like it came right off the race track with those flared fenders. Waaaay cool. That glass dash sucks. Round analog looking gauges are the it factor. Take a lesson from Porsche.
I hear there is a two year backlog. Not sure why these OEMs pay to have journalists come to press events only to make a few thousand a vehicle while the dealer network plays games and markups. Hence why my BMW M340 was replaced by a Tesla. If these traditional OEMs want to survive in the long run start building cars that people want and stop playing games.
My only complaint on the styling is that the grilles without any type of trim around the border makes it look a bit economy car-ish. I do like the overall shape of the grilles...
The M3 and M4 doesn’t have any trim around their grills either
I love the new design but it seems to be polarizing for some reason that I fail to understand. My buddy who’s a big car guy absolutely hates the way it looks for some reason
Nice review.
Why did BMW feel the need to copy the Honda Civic Type R rear end side 'vents'...
Understand that the press weren’t happy at the press launch in Arizona with the slow speed limits (noticed you weren’t pushing it?) and straight roads…..
Not certain where you heard that . . . BMW arranged for a stretch of road to be closed by the Maricopa County Sheriff. As for Arizona roads, I am proud Arizona State Sun Devil so in this episode as well as the BMW XM episode (th-cam.com/video/sLvDkBtXSPM/w-d-xo.html), I ditched the drive route and went back to the roads I flogged my FC RX-7 & Supra back in the day . . .
@@MotoManTV Autocar - well done for ditching the route......local knowledge is a good thing!
Are your quoted 0-60's correct? I thought 4.1 and 4.3 quoted
I'd like to see this with a huge swan mounted spoiler on it!
Do the rear sets fold down?
With great power comes great corruption is the new saying.
Two arms on the side mirrors are broken 😂
It’s cool looking but by no means pretty. Still dig it for what it is. (And I can get a sunroof 😊)
U don't think I'd bother with the performance pack. I'd probably want the glass roof, and It would be extremely rare that I'd need to go over 155.
But tbh I'd rather have caymen S.
I wish I could just get a car like this with an airport-carpet-and-nylon-straps interior that wasn't so freaking ugly and was only like $25k.
“Take 500 lbs out of it and not make 100k.”
Basically a supra.
Too bad you can't get the roof without a sunroof unless you option the $2600 carbon fiber roof. I never use sunroofs, but I won't be tracking the car either.
Sunroofs are great for hot weather
“Lesser m240s.” However, the m240i is a faster car 😂
Doubt it
@@jacobchapman8501 Xdrive 🥱
It’s Beyond Ugly. It’s just Poor Design. No design, really. Look at the front end! The square air intake with the curved ‘kidney’ grills - just doesn’t work!
Not bad overall. Since everything is now the size of the vehicle above it 10, 20, 30 years ago, I view it as being the M3 of yore, available today. Especially at 3800lbs. It's no longer an M2. It's an M3.
Just too heavy period. Especially for being smaller than the M4
I don't think the size is what people will complain about... That front bumper is sickening
I wanna buy this so much but the 2035 combustion engine ban
The combustion engine is going no where, people aren’t going to put up with electric lots don’t even have a drive to charge it and as you say you don’t want an electric car but expect everyone to buy one, lots have the same view as you hence e fuels are being developed, the government can’t force the country to go electric they can’t make you buy a new car but they can make fuel cleaner, this is just like the uk government said go get diesels their better 😂, they are very short sighted and you will see a flip flop it’s not the first it won’t be the last
that's 12 years away - gives you plenty time to enjoy it!!
Nope, it’s still too heavy
The front failed
Bmw is either really proud of this car or the head of engineering was Ai. They never have the engineers on site for these drives. You’re lucky you got to talk to him.
Dislike the dash… looks cheap imo.
I'm not a fan
Is it just me, or does the profile look like a Mistang?
Sorry, that car is not pretty. The F87 was much nicer looking. Subjective, yes, but there are some inarguable design flaws here, especially in the rear. FYI, the previous M2 (F87) also had a staggered wheel set-up. That's not new. Same exact torque as the F87 and quite a bit heavier.
I'm sorry, it's just plain hideous. At least with the previous generation, the front looked good. The rear styling on all the old 1 series and 2 series is where they ran out of their budget money and just gave the cars an unfinished look.
Ugly ugly ugly. The quality of German cars is even uglier 😂
Amen
#BABYJESUS
I hate it. I can’t take looking at this every day.
Side profile reminds me of Mustang
with $10000 more you get an M3 or M4
with $20000 more you get an M5 at discounted price.
Doesn’t fit my life but I like her. She’s not quite a goddess but she should be mentioned after them
It's not as good looking as the old one. The front is probably one of the better looking of the current lineup, but still not great.
I bet it's a fantastic car. I just don't like bmws atm.
Personal preference, as esthetics usually are.
@@MotoManTV yes, as I said in the end. It's probably an amazing car, just got me the looks don't do it. I'm not a fan of their current design language.
its just boring and ugly. baffling choice by bmw, sugar coat as you will, they seem to have a massive identity crisis. Lipstick on a pig vs M2C or M2CS tbh.
Who's buying a non Comp m4 ?
The front looks like a dodge product
*No Thanks BMW u ain't fooling people again, if only BMW could make cars with built quality like Lexus, still hard to trust BMW and expensive out of warranty repairs, not worth the headaches*
LOL
What is with that dash? And those supporting legs?! So, so, so ugly! It also has no character - just a slab of display - it doesn’t say “sport” - it says “Tesla. Done poorly.”
1) Everybodys' mentioned (and George's don't mention...) porkish weight
2) The guage/info screen a big "no"
3) The machine-faced, two-tone wheels are not special and M-worthy, looking instead belonging on a 00's Hyundai or Subaru. Wth?
4) While on the subject of wheels, though they're not the first to do it (1st and 2nd Gen NSX, 992 Porsche and others), staggered f&r diameters hardly needed, are a fad to suggest "exotic performance" in the spec, and like on the 911, 20/21" laughable on a vehicle (and overall tire diameter) that is--despite the weight complaint--not that large overall. This is not a Cadillac Escalade... (Wait a second, they're running 22", and some vehicles are running 23's now! Adios sidewalls!). By comparison, the significantly larger M5 is running 19's f&r stock or optional 20" f&r-and no diameter stagger. I don't know the metallurgy spec here and if they're running some kind of exotic material in the wheels, but bigger usually equals more weight as well...if so, back to point #1 above.
They need to make that car bigger. It’s so tiny
I hate that it´s bigger...
Made in 🇲🇽 M? No thanks. Nothing against our friends there; but an M should be made in Germany. And should have positive design… and no crooked seats.
Bigger isn't big concern, uglier is. Design of their cars makes me turn away from BMW.
Too FAT, too ugly, too much turbo lag, too much screen, and not enough steering feel. For all the money put into their cars it's mindblowing how BMW consistently fails to deliver a great vehicle, BMW has been lost for over a decade, time for new upper leadership! Sorry MotoMan, I respectfully disagree that the new M2 is a good car. Maybe you have been driving too many crossovers?! lol
They’ve lost their way. Mass market appeal is where they now stand, it’s been coming.
I guess I am on the other side of the spectrum. It looks terrible. The front grill has this "old man lost his teeth" vibes, the blackened out intakes look like they have fallen out and have never been replaced, all the proportions are just off. The back lights look like they have the Strabismus syndrome. Just looks like shit. This is one of the worst looking BMW's ever made, still beats a Fiat Multipla, tho ... I guess it's something.