Living with a G87 BMW M2!
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- MotoMan heads to South Florida for experiment: What’s it like to live with a 453 HP @BMWM2? To answer the question, he drives an 8 speed automatic equipped G87 @BMW M2 around the #Miami area, across the state and comes away with the realities of living with a smaller performance M car, including insight on everything from fuel economy, cost of maintenance and even reliability . . . A far more in depth look at the M2 than we have ever presented over the car’s two generations.
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Owning a BMW for 71K miles as of now, i have no doubts about the reliability of BMW. it has been to garage less than my newer RAV4.
I know of several BMWs that get the hell beat out of them daily. A few of those have over 200K on them.
The people who have issues are the ones that air their opinion, the thousands that don't have a problem at all you don't hear about them. I have a Jaguar F-Type, which being Land Rover family everybody will be quick to point how unreliable they are. But the reality is that I drive it like stole it and nothing but maintenance for years.
Yup. That rav 4 interior is a pos! Can’t believe want to be npcs and live on “reliability “
Thought it was just me. I have nearly 68k on my 22 G80 M3 and it’s been magnificent.
@@brandonchism6960you’re everywhere man. I might’ve seen your car in San Antonio Cars and Coffee and near La Cantera
I’ve been daily driving my 2023 M2 (6 speed) for over 3 month now, with 4600 miles so far, and I can honestly say that the experience has been nothing short of amazing. It’s very practical, comfortable, easy to drive, not too big or small, sporty, and most importantly the fun factor is top notch. Couldn’t do everything with a 2 seater ( e.g. cayman, Supra, 400z), and wouldn’t be as sporty in a bigger 4 door sports car ( e.g. M3, etc..). Great video btw!
Appreciate the real world feedback . . . keep us posted on how it goes.
I wonder how it would do as a daily in the Midwest when you can get snow in the winter?
Winter tyres
To clarify - M2 comes with LED headlights. The option is for "adaptive" ones that turn with the steering wheel + auto high beams.
This. The newest ones no longer come with laser lights. It's all LED now.
Man, filling the M2 with 87 octane gas is really bothering me. On my M2 Comp the minimum is 91 and recommended is 93. I can't imagine it being lower on the G87 M2.
I calculated the price/gallons to check if it was really 87. Wow
Right! And he's a pilot???
On my brand new 2024 g87 says 93 shell v power recommended
I almost choked when he did that
87 octane gas?
What a great way to start my Saturday morning! Another great video from MM! This is the best video on the new M2! Great points made by MM. Agree on all points! This is BMW’s best quasi sports car today (ever?) no question about it. No car is perfect. The new M2 is a bit porky, and I hate the ridiculous electronic HVAC/gauges! That’s it; everything else is spot on! I just sold my ‘19 240i XDrive a few months ago. It was my favorite DD that I’ve ever owned. Miss it already! Looking forward to the new 2025(?) M2 CS with AWD. That will be my new DD! MM, more of these type of videos, pls. This “living with” format is interesting/entertaining, & worthwhile… Cheers/B
Appreciate the feedback, Ben!
As far as long term reliability, BMW has come a long, long way.
My F22 is turning 10 soon and has had (knocks on wood) zero issues. Only regular maintenance. 🎉
400 miles in with MY G87 M2. Worthy replacement for the 1M, very good daily! 6MT. His points on this car are spot on, great video!
Any regrets doing that trade?
Damn, should have kept the 1M and added the G87 to your garage. But, you do you.
this dude put 87 gas in it lol
I am buying it for a fun weekend car with a manual transmission. I figured this is it for BMWs, last car with a manual and completely none electric. Since this will be my fun weekend car I don't see putting more than 5K miles per year on it so I hope it last me a long time.
$3k for pads and rotors?
i have 7500 miles on mine (6MT). I love getting in it every day for my commute. Let's see how I do in the winter though...
I would love to seeing a living with comparison episode measured against a similarly priced Porsche Cayman. Regardless, fantastic work!
Not a bad idea . . . but before that, you'll probably get a 'living with' episode featuring a different Porsche.
I like this video format about what is really like living with a car , hoping we can get more
Thanks for the feedback, Luigi. There is a whole playlist of episodes of this format. You can see it here: th-cam.com/play/PLF6ek7dWy48q3Q8sObUlZEzoKGvPdj-3B.html
Love this new "Living with" series, George.
Perhaps this will allow you to revisit some of previous models that have been featured on the channel.
For starters, may I formally request a re-review of the C8 Z51 Corvette and/or any Porsche 911 and Cayman GTS 4.0? Please and thank you. (My wife also wanted me to add the Porsche Macan S and/or GTS as well. She says, _"Thank you hun!"_ )*
FWIW, the new 2024 C8's come standard with several options that should have otherwise been included in previous model years. Plus, as you already mentioned in this video, the C8 Corvette is another great option versus the BMW M2 and my preferred choice.
Nevertheless, I appreciate this real world approach towards ownership of these vehicles. I understand this can be a difficult process to convey to the viewers but I think you nailed it.
Side note - I _love_ hearing my state being mentioned in a positive manner for once.
Stay classy my friend.
*EDITED for wife's request.
Tell your wife that you guys will be seeing one of those requests coming true shortly . . .
I am just pulling over from the Ioniq 6 review - this M2 got the same price tag like the basic Ioniq6? Wow.
Great review, love the M2!
I really like your straightforward reviews…with a hint of sarcasm. 😁 Great review. This M2’s on my list.
Great vid! I have a small BMW X car that's had zero issues in 1st 2 years of ownership. Before that we had a 2011 X5 35d in the stable, it was very reliable. We have a Ford product, an Audi product, & a Toyota product in the stable currently along with the X BMW. The BMW has been flawless & nothing else has been flawless (issues wise), including the Toyota. Never thought I'd like or respect anything BMW but the last 5-7 years has throughly changed my mind. Biggest 'issue' I have with owning a BMW is the dealerships I have to frequent are HORRIBLE for a lux car experience. They're all like Grand Central Station, never have a loaner available......you feel same as going to Ford, Toyota etc dealerships, which is like a piece of cattle. BMW needs to fix that b/c I may not buy another BMW due to the non-lux-car customer treatment their dealership experiences yield.
In regard to wear parts (brake pads, rotors etc), I have zero problem buying / using aftermarket stuff. Often times I'm buying the OEM stuff, just not in an OEM labeled package.
Great real world feedback . . . thanks!
One of my neighbors owns a 2023 M8 and recently lamented his experience at the local BMW dealership.
[Mind you, this is not a disparaging remark. Rather a factual observation with no malice whatsoever. Thank you for understanding.]
First of all, he was thoroughly surprised to see just how many East Indians that own BMW's. It seems to be their favorite German automaker. I would have thought they would prefer Land Rover or Jaguar since they are owned by Tata Motors but I digress. He even said it looked like a train station in New Delhi (speaking of Grand Central Station).
What was even more shocking was their attitude towards the dealership employees and even other customers. That is to say they acted immature, disrespectful and extremely entitled. Which is not indicative of the Indian's that live in our neighborhood for the most part.
It just so happens that he was a former Ranch owner in Montana and he even made a similar comment regarding "cattle". However, I will refrain from using his colorful vernacular.
I mention all of this because it seems to fall in-line with your dealership experience as well. Such a shame too. Feels like the BMW we all knew and loved has been rendered obsolete for the foreseeable future.
Truly a bummer.
Stay classy my friend.
@BertShackleford I have no axe to grind with BMW pe se, but am an observant individual & do/have owned other brands of lux cars. I absolutely LOVE their (BMW) products nowadays. I LOVE the fact they, unlike Merc & Audi, offer a military discount. I LOVE the dynamic & way the BMW CCA is run compared to say, the Audi Club NA. But...
The dealership sales & service experience I always get is flat-out sub-par. Part of spending the $s owning a lux vehicle is having that special feeling of valued treatment when you deal with the dealerships. Audi where I live advertises on TV they not only have a fleet of 100+ loaner cars available but they will deliver the loaner to you & take you car in for service. I can't even get a loaner from BMW to save my life, routine maintenance, even with an appointment, takes 2 or 3x longer than it should & what's promised, & like mentioned above, the dealership's I have to pick from are insanely busy/hectic.
Happy German car motoring!
@@loseerich493 Appreciate the hyper vigilance brother.
Great minds think alike!
Stay classy my friend.
The gas is extremely expensive in CA. Thanks for the video. Hope you had a nice visit to FL.
Third time in a couple of months . . . enjoying it.
I owned my 2000 M Roadster until last year, put 60k miles on it and never saw a check engine light. It really seems to be the more mundane 3 and 5 series variants that have issues
That car in Ireland is $140,000 so count yourself blessed
You hit it right.... maintenance. I have found most who have complained about BMW reliability comes from those who have bought 2nd or 3rd or more ownership vehicles. Buy it new or Certified or someone who is a real Bimmer person who has not molested their vehicle. In terms of the G87 M2.... sorry. It's too much like a M4. The F87 is really the last M car where the M division engineers gave you a car that they wanted. Minimum amount of electronic crap and real buttons without having to use a damn screen.
If I use my M2 as a daily I will run through 2 sets of meaty summer tires a year, about 24 tires in 3 years, plus $4000 for brakes since they don’t come with carbon ceramic rotor options like the M3. That’s roughly $15,000 for just tires and brakes in 3 years. That’s why I use it as a weekend car.
Awesome content. Was looking for an episode like this!!
My pleasure!
Regarding BMW reliability: we have a 2011 335i coupe (manual of course) that we bought in '14 when it had 30k miles, and has 55k miles today. In this car's life, it's had 4 HPFP's, rear shocks, VANOS bolts, blower resistor block + wiring, infamous Takata airbag replaced (all under recall/warranty), plus electric water pump + thermostat (which required a tow), windshield washer pump, and oil filter housing (OFH) seals replaced. Definitely MUCH needier than my '03 Silverado. I guess it's all about how you interpret "reliability"...
G37 70k and nothing but oil changes. Can't believe you had that many issues in 20k miles. Has to be a lemon. 🥴
Did you fill G87 with 87? 🥴
I'm really digging the M2! Trying to decide what to get when it comes time to trade in my 21 1320 (if I do). Right now I'm considering another stang (had 3 in the past), a 25 Charger six pack, i240 x drive or M2. The 240 would probably be the wisest choice for a daily in NW Ohio, but Ive gotten by for years with rwd cars as long as I switch to better tires in the winter (usually get another set of wheels and tires). Think I'll wait until at least next year and hope int rates come down. But also heard the 26 M2 may offer awd which would be awesome, but may be too much if they raise the price again. As it is 60k is about the max I would want to spend and that is assuming I would get decent equity on my trade.
3.9 to 60 is GTR territory, and GTRs are almost double the price of an M2 now.... Damn, car prices have gone insane. I'm debating an M2 but with Corvette's so closely priced and mid engine.. That's enough to beat out the awesome S58, in my opinion. I have a special appreciation for BMW, owning a 335i(N54), maintaining it myself, and heavily modifiying it. That being said, I don't think I would pick an M2 over a Corvette. If I wanted M2 performance and practicality then I would step up to an M3. If I wanted pure sports car at that price point, I think Corvette is the better buy.
Super insightful video! Amazing quality content, thank you!! Love the “living with” platform, brilliant!
I live in South Florida, and I’m in between a manual M2 and a manual base 718 Cayman. Not for tracking purposes, simply for daily living and for < 5 years. Which would you recommend?
A nice daily but maintenance is a bit pricey. 16:17
Yes!
You were really close to empty on fuel b/c its not a 15 gallon tank as you said, it's 13.74 US gallons.
One of thing i have notice with this new idrive is when playing music from your phone , if you perform other funtion each time you touch the screen your music is interrupted🤔
Have driven multiple BMWs with the system and have yet to experience that error.
From the dealer it was doing that for me. I was able to change a setting and it no longer affects the music when I use the screen.
I have had my 135i manual coupe for 14 years. Love it.
What is ride quality line with M2 around town?
Thanks for the video.
Great to hear!
Ride quality is fantastic compared to the 135i. I had the 135i for 5.5 years and it would crash over bumps like crazy. The G87 is stiffer for sure but it handles the bumps much better so it feels more refined and supple. Not quite as good as the GM suspensions, but much closer than they used to be.
@@fcman123 thanks appreciate your feedback
Love, love, love your reviews! Vielen Dank. tschüss!
My pleasure!
You can get the bucket seats without the whole package
Premium gas only
I currently have an X5 40i , I’m looking for a second car , the Z4 M40i and M2 are both on my wish list among others..
Can't go wrong with either. The question is what do you prize: A folding roof or performance?
Great car. The new trend on placing all controls in the screen is a hedious idea but i guess if that´s it´s biggest issue we can be happy. I like the looks for what it is and i wish we had your fuel prices :D
I have my car for about 3 weeks now and honestly i don't have any problems with the climate controls on the screen , the functions are just relocated but the layout and ease of use are the same🤔 you just tap the climate botton to bring the menu up thats all.
The reality is that we get what we vote for. Sadly, in a place like California, even they vote a different way, there is no hope of getting around a super majority no matter how many alarm bells are going off.
@@MotoManTV Then I guess we have similar political issues here. In the last euro trip I saw up to 2.45€ per liter and an average of 2€ starts to really hurt the average consumer.
Was that clever marketing to reference the video before it came out?
:)
What negotiation....just pay for the extra oil changes.
Excellent video, I really like this "Living with" series, it gives an idea in how things really cost but also the pros and cons of owning a car like this.
I also love the scenery in this video, South Florida looks really good, I also love the hills/canyons around LA, and the M2 seems at home especially with thar color. I would probably go for the auto and comfy seats with the carbon roof. But for the color I would choose Brooklyn Grey with Cognac interior.
Awesome video MotoMan, as said by @benbustama3430 this is the best M2 review video out there.
Really enjoyed the experience with this car down there. Yes, the roads leave something to be desired but was an ideal test location for being practical.
13.7 gallon tank.
How have you been my friend? I’ve been consuming very little social media last couple of months so i have probably missed a fair bit. Any new Hyundai news? Have you seen any of the goofballs at TFL since the show in NY? 😂
Last question, any chance of you giving us motorcycle content at any point ? It airplane content even ?
Nathan and I have fellowshipped a couple of times over cigars. There are episodes that resulted from it. Was open to Motorcycles when we first started the show but frankly don't have the time for the little ROI they produce. Airplanes, would love to, but every time we have tried no one watches.
@@MotoManTV you’ve done planes and automobiles…that only leaves trains left to review. “It rides like it’s on rails”
It's a great car on paper, but the exterior styling and changes to the climate buttons kill it for me. If I got it, I'd have to get it in black to hide the front end a bit.
I'm surprised it takes regular gas and doesn't require premium - or did you do that on accident? lol
I sold mine after a month. Hard as I tried to love it, the car is utterly pointless as a manual in a city with traffic, as all manual cars are.
Glad you tested the auto Im sure it's way better to daily. Even still, the insane amount of brake dust and squeaking is embarrassing in 2023. The brakes are fantastically capable but my god the dust and noise...
I got a deposit down on one!
Only issue i have is it's not four wheel drive
Respectfully disagree.
@MotoManTV tested drived it and it felt a little too scary for me.. the salesman thought i was crazy to demand a four-wheel on this car.. but i couldn't see his point..
@@alialtun289 yea u are crazy bro. turn traction control all the way up and u good
Premium gas!!!!!
Can anyone tell me how are these engines with carbon buildup? Also, other reliability of it?
3:29 you meant to say automatic here or has someone dosed me with mind altering substances/psychedelics etc. ?
Not my most eloquent of lines but you get my point:)
@@MotoManTV I hoped so, just wanted to be sure I wasn’t projecting and you were actually saying manual is the way to go here 😂
No self-respecting M owner would even consider a sunroof over the cf, and Costco gas ?? My M5 has only seen Shell 93 during its 5 year trouble-free lifespan. And by the way, Bmw has more highly rated reliability over the past 4 years than either Mercedes or Audi.
Sunroof are horrible IMO I'd delete it if ordering one. Absolutely nothing wrong with Costco gas, it's top-tier. I no-joke see people with up to modern Ferrari's at the Costco. You're never going to find fresher fuel than at a Costco station. Now, I wouldn't put 87 octane in my BMW but I'm guessing that was a mistake on Motoman's account. Agree on current BMW reliability, been my experience as well. Happy motoring!
Costco has high quality gas. Shell is terrible in my experience. I will only run Costco, Exxon, BP, or if desperate QuickTrip
& there's practically no way anyone has fresher gas than the average Costco station@@trentonhuntley9966
It's funny how everyone freaks over the Climate buttons. I can say after driving nothing but BMW's since 2012 that once I find the sweet spot on the Auto Climate control that I never touch the settings. Same is the case with the M2. Set it and forget it.
Don't care what they BMW pay you but to high an junk
Scotty says no Mexico assembly
Questionable video, facts matter....
They should have made it a hybrid
I hope you’re joking. If not, please keep your terrible opinions to yourself.
Hell no, what are you insane? Not being a hybrid is the one of two reasons I am buying it.
@@stevejohnson2108 17 MPG PREMIUM GAS WITH A LITTLE ASS TANK…enjoy!
@@tommy516 So you think someone like me that can readily afford a 70K car would give a damn about 17 mpg and premium I would worry? Get a Prius dude.
@@stevejohnson2108 have a 24 X5 hybrid….
First, if I'm getting a $70k BMW, I want it built in Germany. 🩵
Also, nice ride, but not a Miami car, like a Z4M or C8 Targa.
Looking good in the Florida sun Motoman. 😎👍🏿
It was lovely there . . .
Uhhhh why did you put regular in that car, not premium???
There is no difference trust me
@@jasonpickford4123No.
You put 87 in it??
😂
No your mom did
😂
Bruh 😂😢
$3k for pads and rotors? That’s insane.
Labor included?
Pretty standard for OEM parts on a performance luxury car. Can always go aftermarket.
@@kasio22Bno but after 3 kids, all daughters, and buying pads for my wife and daughters, but Tampax has never once paid for labor or any part of the hospital Bill
2 things that are keeping me from buying, the dumb large Samsung display complete with strut on the back in my face, lack of main controls for heat, radio, etc.
As I near 50 years old, I'm having a hard time choosing this over the x3 m40i. Keep going back and forth. If the X3 m40i had a manual option it would win easily.
We bought a new '23 x3 M40i last year...can't imagine a better drive train than the B58 & ZF 8 speed. Previously owned a '19 F22 230i xDrive so I appreciate the versatility that 2 series platform has as well. With back seats folded, can carry extra set of wheels & tires...great for the seasonal wheel/tire change for winter.
Another professionally done video, thank you. I can't get past how BMW DE-beautified this once-beautiful car.
My pleasure!
it could have been worst with the massive m3 grill but instead they turn old school and make it square.
The M2 would look fantastic in Sakhir Orange or Valencia Orange.
Excellent work, M.
First off, greetings from the same region of the world! Second, agreed . . . also noticed on configurator that one can spec a beautiful dark blue metallic with a stunning cognac interior. Sadly, only with the basic seats.
Downpiped and tuned my 24 M2 and it’s a quick little car.
It remains a catastrophically ugly car. Even at 40k it's not even tempting.
Wtf runs 87 on a TT inline 6?! 🤣
Maybe I am missing something?!
Mate, 87 octane, seriously? We haven't put that in any performance car of the last decade.
most amazing thing is this: a decent Subaru WRX is $50,000, as is a Civic R. Makes the M2 seem like a steal.
Very strong point.
87 regular in a performance TT car? Did you experience any ping or knock that you noticed, under load/boost? Especially at high RPM's under load? Or is this stock boost, stock horsepower level not warrant premium or higher octane?
I should've checked the stock compression ratio. Looks like it's only 9.3 CR stock, so that helps stay safe, but still not recommended when boosted. Especially if you mod it up and raise the boost over the stock ~18psi...
I think it's broken. It seems to be changing gear by itself
Nissan Z looks better.
I have owned a s55 f I r nine years now. 100k miles been very reliable overall
I'm going onto my 6 month ownership of a 2024 m2, manual. It's a blast. I installed a short shifter and that made a big difference. It's a lot of fun and very precise. You can really see the fine tune engineering with the different modes.
Disagree with your statement on manual/automatic. While this has certainly been true for the predecessor, for the current M2 I like the automatic with the possibility of paddle shifting. And looking at what others say, this seems to be not only my decision. So, yes stivckshift is what I love and always is good, with the new M2, however, automatic is a more than suitable alternative with zero disadvantages on performance.
Great video. Very informative. I just ordered a manual M2 and I can't wait to take delivery!
Thanks for the video, I'm getting ready to buy a new M2. I've had various BMW models over the past 40 years or so and can comment on whether to keep them over 5 years. They are hit or miss, and generally the first production year of a new redesign has the most problems...but that's not always true. If its a miss though, you'll know it usually within the warranty period, and if its presenting problems then get rid of it when warranty expires. If its hit, hang on to it. My current one is a 2015 435, having bought it on late 2014 so its 9 years old now and have had no problems with it, just your routine maintenance, oil changes, filters, etc, in fact its still got its original brakes....so this one has been a keeper.
7:17 Look at the stitching quality on the seat cushions!
That is awful, you'd never see that in a Honda or Toyota
I'm shocked
Keep in mind this car is a press car and has a harder life than most. Someone who owns this car would not put on the wear and tear this car has seen (it supported the international drive event and then was shipped around the country for week long loans since March - I shot this in October). They would also take care of it cosmetically better.
My daily driver is a 2014 Shelby GT 500 662hp
Lol to fill that car in Ireland would be $130.00
Owning an ‘18 6MT with the S55 has been very reliable but a little cumbersome as a daily. So my spirited driving amounts to 4K miles a year. I’ve yet to replace any expensive wear items.
Thanks for the real world feedback.
Great video! I live/work in the Hollywood/Ft. Lauderdale area and just brought my white over cognac leather G87 M2 to the Ft. Lauderdale BMW dealership in your video for the 1200 service.
I would love to know where you were with the intercostal water way in the background as well as what road you were on for the fast driving part of the video.
First off, EXCELLENT spec! Second, that was the stunning Los Olas area of Ft Lauderdale. As for the fast road, like MotoCanyon . . . that will have remain a secret:)
Idlewyld, for the Intracoastal shot. By the Las Olas bridge ..
I hear different, I hear the auto is the way to go
Disagree, but I am a broken car guy.
I think the reason people say BMWs are unreliable is people try and keep them longer than normal cars before they are scrapped. Because they’re great cars
@MotoManTV, great video as usual. BTW, just recently I found out you used to do standup comedy. Had no idea. What can I search for to find some videos?
Anyway, thank you for the details on this M2. I have a IS500. I absolutely love the engine and the cars usability with 4 doors considering I have 2 kids. However, I miss the manual. Because of it I have been eyeing the M2. Your thoughts please?
The other option is, I let it be. I pay off the IS500 and once I do I start looking for NA1 NSX as my second car. I do not know 🤷🏼♂️. It's an idea.