Tree Drill/Kill 1oz Undiluted Glyphosate
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- YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR HOW THIS INFORMATION IS USED!! MEANING, DON'T KILL YOUR NEIGHBOR'S TREE(S) AND DON'T KILL A TREE THAT'S RIGHT NEXT TO YOUR HOUSE BECAUSE THE LIMBS AND TREE MAY FALL...ON YOUR HOUSE!! How I killed an unwanted/damaged tree using only 1oz of undiluted 41% Glyphosate concentrate..
41% Glyphosate used in video: www.amazon.com...
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Yes sir
I like this technique because there is no mixing with a carrier. It is good you emphasized safe use. I used a variation of it a couple of years ago to kill a large autumn olive tree in our woods which is an invasive here in the Mid-Atlantic USA. I drill several approximately 1 inch holes per trunk with a 3/8" bit several inches apart and will refill a couple of times using Roundup Super Concentrate (50% glyphosate) applied with a plastic syringe. Doing three more now, started a couple of weeks ago in late April and clearly seeing effects. I prefer large specimens of this particular tree species to be completely dead with no leaves before cutting down and replacing with natives in late summer/early fall. We discovered dozens of sapling size autumn olives had infiltrated our small meadow when we moved in, no doubt as a result of the large ones in the nearby woods border. I just cut off and apply the herbicide to the sapling cut stems.
Thank you, I’ve two 50ft plus willow trees, whilst they can look beautiful one out front is damaging our house and cars, the one out back blocks light an fills garden and pool with debris resulting in 10 plus bags of debris a week. Both shed a branch this year having both trimmed at a cost of £700 each... After years of hell with these we’ve drilled a few holes 12 inches deep filling them with Gallup 360. Sad to say it’s exciting 👍👍👍
Sod what the tree huggers say, they don’t live with the dangers, damage and extreme maintenance some trees cause
Hi - can I ask did this work using the Gallup 360? Thanks
Mark O yes it did, took another dose of 50ml after 2 weeks as no noticeable effect but then over the following month they died off... thankfully I’ve had such an easy summer not continuously clearing up and going to have a few years of free heating.
I should of done it years ago as they became depressing with damage and debris caused from them.
But they're your trees, so why kill them? It's easier to fell a live tree. But hey...Darwin etc...
Thanks for showing what happens over time instead of just putting it in and ending the video. Gonna do this because I want to leave some dead trees up for woodpeckers and other wildlife
It is unusual to help wildlife by killing trees
Many thanks for this , used same product and after 10 days I am starting to see browning of leaves , at this rate ill be raking my yard in August
Glad to help.. Thanks for reply..
@Madhav Raina No water
@Madhav Raina no
I've got a nasty overgrown suckers on a palm tree that i'm going to try this on. Very good video, straight to the point, direct, with clear instructions.
I had a palm tree chopped Dow last year. I've just seen some shoots growing..Will be trying this method. Thanks
Very effective. Done this for years. Going 5 inches is not necessary. I generally still 3 holes around the tree about 2 inches deep. I know it works on maple, sweet gum, pine, oak, and cherry.
thanks, good to know it works on pine.. i have one in mind to try this on.. and a water oak.. and i'll do multiple, more shallow holes..
@@tongo117 Folks use the “hack & squirt”. I call this the “drill & fill”. I think it works better.
I tried hack/squirt using this Glyphosate.. Didn't work.. Gonna get some Tordon RTU and see if hack/squirt works with that..
@@tongo117 it will. Pure gly has worked good for me on oaks and cherries with hack and squirt.
will it work with big mangos trees, circumferences of the tree is almost 200 cm
1st class , straight to the point
Thanks heaps mate will be using this method on neighbor,just need the pricks to go away on holidays if they can afford too
Lol 😂
I’ll be using it so I don’t have to pay a tree lopper $20,000 plus whatever bloody council wants to charge.
😂😂😂😂 did you get it done
Same here god bless this video 👍👍👍
Is it dead yet?
@Billy big balls, you stay off my god damn property or ells ! Punk
No need to drill deep - the cambium is all that needs to have herbicide exposure. See also "hack and squirt"
Hey broski. I've had trouble getting rid of pyracanthus. If I apply this to freshly pruned somewhat thick branches would it work?
You are amazing! This is the kind of video we want to see, the before and after! I have 3 blackhaw viburnum trees about 15-18 ft tall. I planted it in 2006. I am extremely disappointed that it created new trees from its spreading roots! SIGH! As of today, I think the number of 2-3ft young shoots/trees I saw were around 70! Damn! Yesterday, I tried manually removing them. It took me 1.5 hrs to remove 5 young 2-3ft trees. The roots are so freaking strong! LOL. Thank you for this technique!
You are welcome.. Hope it works for you..
Great video so simple and down to the point! thank you
Glad to have helped..
The best video on this matter! Thank you
Glad to help.. Thanks for reply..
I use 4 oz of remade herbicide with one gallon diesel oil and it works very well.
Your method worked in the spring contrary to what I've read. Maybe because you used a stronger concentration, a larger volume of Glyphosate and applied it deeper into the tree. So, I'm just going to go ahead and try it now instead of waiting until fall. Glad I found you!
I read the same.. Objective is to kill roots.. Fall, tree sends energy (sap) to roots.. Spring, tree sends energy (sap) to limbs/leaves.. Where the sap goes, the Glyphosate goes.. But, I applied last May and it worked.. I drilled roughly 1/3 into the tree.. 16" diameter with 5 1/4" hole..
Any time of the year works......might take longer .....but always use " pure " round up ! Its cheaper anyway.
@@tongo117 Well, as a follow-up, I tried it on some trees that were blocking my view and it worked GREAT! Except I used a 1inch drill bit and they died twice as fast as yours. I cannot tell you the amount of stress you helped remove from my life :) I've been trying to kill those suckers for years following everybody else's advice. Thank you so very much.
@@honkymonkey9568 Good to know.. Next time I'll use a bigger bit also.. Thanks for reply..
@@honkymonkey9568 Precisely what I'm trying to do. I live on a lake in the Ozarks and have been trying to kill some trees by treating the root area, not working, the pines are totally unphased while I have killed a couple of hardwoods. Time to get out the drill!
Works like a charm!! I’ve done it several times. Glyphosate is the real deal and what’s really cool is how fast the tree will deteriorate!!! It will be crumbling within the next year verses standing there dead for many years like a normal dead tree.
I hit trees with it on a weekly basis to really kill it quick. I have a lot of camphour laurel in my property. It is a noxious weed here in Australia.
Great straightforward video. Thanks
I know trees are very important for us. But sometimes when you have bad neighbor then, your life become hell because of these trees. Let me tell you something. I live in india and there is a big banyan tree near my house and because of that tree we face so many problems like too much humus, and in winters my house become hell because this tree covered my house two sides and as a result we receive very less sunlight. And during autumn this tree shed so many leaves. I have some allergies because of this humus I have talked so many times with my neighbor but he start fighting with me. So now I will do this method...I hope it will work
If the tree is on his property, how are you going to kill it?
@@worshipthelordjesus458 The place where big banyan tree grown is exactly in front of my neighbor's house and they have a huge family. So currently I am not successful in this task. Drilling holes is not possible in my case because it create noise. So I am looking for different technique.
@@hmdwn Request your neighbor and tell him your problem. If he is not listening to you then go for other methods.. You can also dig a hole near the tree and put chemicals there... May be it works....
@@vermaeducator Buy a hand drill that is made for wood working and does't have a motor. ZERO noise.
Use fresh glyphosate!!! I first used some from a 5 yr old jug that I had got a deal on. The trees were only half dying after several treatments. I then used some from a fresh jug and BAM, those trees were completely brown in no time!! I emailed the company and they said the shelf life is around 5yrs.
Good to know.. Thanks for the info..
I have a tree like that and I need it to die also, but it somehow seems sad to see that one die like that; not sure why. I would rather cut mine down and deal with it that way, but it's not convenient right now to do so. I will probably try this method anyway.
You really opted to kill a tree humanely? Wtf lmfaooooo
Good deal - Have 2 problem trees that are a threat to the house. I like trees but these are going...
I have a tree of heaven infestation and I was thinking about doing the drill+41% glyphosphate method. I'm happy to see that it works. This is awesome!
I just did this to my tree of heaven but I used tordon and mixed in roundup quikpro 73% glyphosate package. Hopefully this works!
@@mattysco they just pop up where I live. And since they are so prolific spreaders, they are all over the place. I've noticed that they tend to pop up in the less affluent parts of town.
@@JasterMereel421 they're called ghetto palm for a reason 😂. I was able to kill mine with tordon
@@kolbiyashi6858 ha! I've started to call them alley trees.
@Timothy Antoine after applying a mix of tordon and a pack of 70% glyphosate in early August i noticed it in 2 days. But took a long time and afew applications to MAKE SURE. I drilled a few 1/2 in holes into the tree and any large roots i could dig up. Also hack n squirt
Experts say you should do this in fall/winter. Reason is spring/summer liquid flows upward while fall it goes downward to the roots and kills them
Awesome video!
Thanks with proof
Ive done this for years...it works. Its a bit quicker using a 60 cc syringe to draw up the round up......and go buy a long IV needle at a farm store 6 " inches long.... dull the point so you dont poke yourself.....put the needle the full depth into the hole.....otherwise the remaining air in the hole wont allow the Round Up to enter. In larger trees.....say up to 3 ft diameter I will drill three holes evenly spaced around the tree. Allows for a quicker result.......death ! For smaller trees....consider " Pathfinder II " Its a basal treatment 100% effective....also works on multi-floral rose !
Got it.. Thanks for the tips..
Thanks this actually works I done it to two cottonwood trees works great.
I m from india i suggest you after washing your clothes you can also put rough wasted water in roots ...its also chemical
Sir, you are tha man! Thank you!
Wow, that's crazy! May try this on a stump
I've used this method on stumps with new growth same results..
I used Glyphosate -71% on Neem tree (hack and squirt method) when the tree was shedding leaves before spring.It was a complete failure. I used it on my neighbors tree because its leaves, branches, flowers were causing nuisance. They did nothing to reduce my discomfort.
Now after a month new leaves have grown in all over its branches.
Remember to follow label directions. This technique probably is not on the label being that the container says “grass & weed killer”. Glad your using PPE.
Thanks for the video, really good. But i think trees die quicker if it is done ( drilling ) between october and february when the sap is not rising. Thanks again.
I agree..
Going to give this a go, we moved into a 5 year abandoned rental that has aspen fast growing in the hedges, a seed in a few months can reach 2ft and have some thickness to it as well as heavy rooting and it's spreading everywhere. Hopefully this kills off the baby aspens that have planted themselves in flower beds and are extremely difficult to remove.
Hope so, good luck!!
Nice content. Keep up bro. 👍🙏🙏
Thanks for the tip. I intend to use your method on an out of place tree in my bakyard. What worries me is the danger of a large dead tree standing, ready to fall and hurt someone. Any ideas will be greatly appreciated.
Thank you!! I will try this!!
Thanks now we have a better ideal on the atual mix.
I did this before I even looked online to see if it was a thing. I used a regular, thick drill but and drilled 4 downward holes on one side of a black walnut tree and used a dropper to fill the holes with 50% concentrate. After I did it, I was like, let me look online to see if it was a thing lol. And sure enough, hit after hit came back. Your video was listed first I believe. Anyway, within 5 or 6 days after I did it, the side of the tree I did it on was nearly totally defoliated. But the other side of the tree still looks almost normal save for a slight bit of wilting. So will that side of the tree eventually catch up to the other, or will I have to do it on that side of the tree as well? I'd prefer not having to do the other side of possible.
It should kill the other side also.. Just have to be patient.. Mine took 2 months to fully die out.. Limbs have long since fallen off but trunk is still standing 4 years later..
Just treated 60 sycamore stumps where regrowth had occured
I've used it on stumps also. Should work..
Update? Did sycamore die?
@@superduty2023 why?what do you think?
Awesome video, I will have to try it…. Thanks for sharing
If you don’t like the appearance of a tree with a broken top, I’d imagine you’d like the appearance of a dead tree with a broken top, so why not cut it down. I imagine you will but you made no mention of your intent to do that. I would have cut down first then do the drilling and glyphosate injection afterwards, if I was concerned about it bouncing back or the whole purpose was what the roots were a nuisance to property. Just curious.
No way to drop this tree without damaging the many desirable Camellia plants that surround it.. Tree also provided too much shade for them.. Limbs have long since fallen.. Only thing left is trunk which I plan to let fall as it will..
You still have to cut it down to remove any “widow makers”, so why not cut it down & drill several holes & apply the liquid tree killer?
now you have a dead tree
Then what the tree is dead and it looks like an eye soar different eye soar from before you killer it. To me this doesn't make sense.
Excellent video. I got 360g/litre glysophate. Going to try 50/50 solution with water.
I use the same method with one exception I drill a hole in the base of the tree or into a root if possible. The tree is dead in a week. I dont even use an oz I think that is alot of concentrate.
Good to know.. My first time doing this.. If there is a next time I'll try using less and drilling lower..
Worked great, thank you so much.
You are welcome.. Thanks for reply..
Funny i bought the same exact stuff down to the bottle you have so I can kill weeds. Nice to know I can kill a tree also.
Thanks. I wish I had watched this video before I cut down the jujube tree. I cut it down but the remnants of the roots in the ground, still growing till this day after a year. The shoots or suckers still coming out. The root is invasive and aggressive.
If the stump is still there you could drill into that and add the glyphosate..
@@tongo117 I already removed the stump. It's the broken roots that are still in the ground, they are still growing even with small pieces of the roots. Suck! It's over a year, and still growing especially it's hot now in Phoenix area. There is lot of activities under the ground. They are killing my trees and shrubs in silence.
@@theweilee17600 Let the tree suckers grow 1 ft high, mow them over with a lawn mower then IMMEDIATELY spray the sucker stumps with UNDILUTED weed killer. Repeat as needed. The fresh cut on the suckers will expose the tree cambium layer and absorb the weed killer which will kill the roots.
@@loafandjug321 I did not do that. I tried to dig out the root whenever the suckers came up. That has created a mess in my front porch, so many holes in there now. It wasn't a right way to do it. Because even the broken tiny roots still can grow suckers. Now I just leave it as it is. Like you said I let suckers grow and then put undiluted Glyphosate on them. It has been raining lately - monsoon in Phoenix area, that has helped suckers to grow. It's terrible, and I regret to plant this tree. Thanks for the tip.
@@loafandjug321 ive tried that on certain suckers and it hasnt worked for me, they keep still coming. It kills the ones I treated but a new one right beside it emerges, I heard someone say to try diesel?
I’ve got a 100 year old large tree in my garden despite the tree being old and prefers g to preserve it it’s doing more damage financial wise then worth it to save the tree It’s destroying all my garden fencing causing me thousands a year to fix and killing my lawn blocking the sunlight not to mention when it’s autumn all the leaves that pile up in my garden here in the uk we have laws that protect these trees the council here in the uk got laws to protect the tree but im willing to take the risk of a fine at this point still be cheaper than the amount it will cost me over the next couple years to maintain the damage it’s causing I’ll plant 2 new small trees in it’s place because this tree is round 5 times thicker than the 1 in the video would I need to use more of this product?
I'm honestly not sure.. 1oz (29.57ml) has worked for me twice.. Second time killing much larger pine tree.. Link to that video is below.. Just be careful about the limbs eventually falling because they will.. And the trunk of the tree killed in this video is still standing 5 years later.. th-cam.com/video/k0gZFmSJR2Q/w-d-xo.html
Im really thankful for this video
Hey so I tried this and its not soaking it up on a pine. Been trying to pour it in the hole I made and alltgree holes are showing it is not soaking into the tree
Is this method is usefull for coconut trees??
2nd pronunciation is correct one.
If I use this method on my large rubber tree on my empty lot, will it also kill the roots deep down in the ground?
This product are life saver
Just save 5000 dollars
Thank you sir
Glad to have helped..
Thank you for this video I just order one, I have a big ass tree in front of my house I complain to hoa about it they continue to ignore me so it’s time to do something about it
I just use a plastic sauce bottle & squeeze!
Awww look at that cute pooch.
Just tried this method on my Royal Empress tree. Using 50.2% glyphosate. Used a 1/2 drill bit, drilled several holes around the base of the trunk about 5 inches in depth. Shall see if this method works.
Update?
I believe I have been successful. It has not produced any new foliage. The ones that tried to sprout have turned brown. Will wait untill fall to cut down to make sure it is completely dead.
So update on my Royal Empress tree.
This tree is a beast to kill. Very resilient. I have not completely killed those tree. On that note, the holes that I have drilled and filled with 50.2% glyphosate looks like it has destroyed that portion of the tree. I was curious as to why I was still getting sprouts in my yard. Well today I pulled some bark away from some of the dead spots and to my surprise this thing is still kicking. So I will be drilling holes all around the tree and filling it with the kill juice.
there is about to be sun shining on my pool again. sorry neighbor Karen. night work
Oooooweeee!!! Dam bro tht great!! Gonna try it!!!👍👍👍👍👍
We have a massive trees in neighbours garden.
How many holes do I have to drill?also the depth of the hole since its a huge tree.
YOU don't have a massive tree. Your neighbour's do. leave it alone.
Thanks for this valuable information. Now , I have questions, after kill , so I need to cut tree , or just let it be there ?
Thank you sir !
That's your choice.. I'm letting mine just naturally fall little by little.. It's a few hundred feet from my house so there's no danger in doing it that way..
Thankyou! Straight to the point! None of this ‘hi my name is blah blah blah please follow and subscribe. Others take note. Good job!
I don’t have access to the tree itself but I do have access to its roots. Can I drill into its root system & pour in the product? Will it kill it that way?
yes, that should work also..
I don’t want to use toxic sprays so can this be done with copper sulphate?
Thanks for showing this video. Would like to know if you mix the glyphosate with water before feeding the tree 1oz of it?
I used it full strength.. No mixing with water..
@@tongo117 Brother please answer ...i have a big sissoo tree infront of my shop..i use ur method i drill 2 hole in stem and fill glyphosate 41...but after 2 days tree not suck the chemical...i filled 150 ml glypbosate..how much time the tree will die
Most of my tree was dead in two months.. But your Sissoo tree might not be so easy to kill from what I've read.. You might try this method as well..www.huntingtheland.com/hack-and-squirt/
U killed a tree man ....oh god
Thank you sir .in front of homes tree can clear like this
Great video, cheers.
Will it kill roots and when can I pull it out from roots please thnx.
yes it kills roots.. pull it up when it's dead..
why not cut the tree? I don't get it, poisoning should weaken the tree, and then what?
The tree was surrounded by Camellias in every direction so if cut down at the base it would have crushed many of them.. It took about 1.5 years for all of the limbs to fall.. Now over 4 years later only thing left is a section of the trunk..
2.5 gallons of Glysophate for $22?! Wow, it’s like $120 now. lol
I used a 2 foot 1 inch bit on a liquid amber, drilled about 1 1/2 feet into the base of trunk, about 2 feet high on the tree in February. I filled up the hole twice, probably 5 plus ounces, 1 month later the tree is sprouting buds all over the tree, gonna fill it up again, messy horrible tree die!,,,,,,,
bummer..
PeanutButterMan ya, I don’t get it, it’s the same exact stuff, drilled deeper and wider with way more fluid and plugged the hole to.... this tree is one strong tree... but it’s only been a month and I’m gonna fill it twice again tomorrow, if that doesn’t do it I will be shocked
Valuable. Anybody try this on Brazilian Pepper and Saw Palmettos which are invasive in Florida and have complex root system.
hello! thanks for the helpful video! quick question - I'd like to use this method to kill a maple tree discretely. I'm looking to do it in the last week in November in Canada. I'm wondering if I time it as such, when it comes spring, will it grow any leaves on the branches? Or will the branches grow these "red/copper" colored leaves indicating that it's been poisoned? Thank you and pray that you answer as I am a little anxious how it's going to turn out.
Don't know for sure but I would think it would die out over the winter and not produce any leaves in spring..
How to kill coconut tree without cuting in faster way
Thank you very much you made my day
Planning on trying it out with a giant Ficus (weeping fig) tree in my yard. The roots have damaged my plumbing and costed several thousand to fix. Hope this will deal with it once and for all. Would you suggest repeating the application a few times for a very large tree?
Edit: it's about 90 feet tall.
I've only done this once so I'm no expert but yes, multiple applications should increase your chances of success.. Hopefully it's not close to your house though cause a 90ft tall dead tree is dangerous..
@@tongo117 thanks for the quick reply! Will do. Fortunately it isn't too close to the house, the roots are just really long.
The problem is that it's a pain getting a permit to cut down a tree in my jurisdiction, but you don't need one to cut down a dead tree.
Hi I have a similar problem... Did it work for you? if so, more or less how many holes did you make a the tree? also was it enough with just 1 round of roundup per hole or did you have to apply it several times on each hole? thanks in advance
you dont need to drill. you can hit it with a hatchet and spray behind the bark. i have done both methods and both work
Yeah hack and squirt.. I'm actually trying that on two trees now using the same 41% glyphosate.. Good to know it should work..
What if the city only let you cut a tree if it’s dead? Drilling will make it seems natural
@@solomons5669 u need to get it under the bark id the tree however u want to do it. Little drill holes are hard to see
Drilling a hole creates a pocket so the tree absorbs more weed killer instead of runoff on the bark with the hacking method.
@@solomons5669 Drill the trunk at ground level add weed killer, cover with small amount of dirt.
Thanks very much for the video ,could you please answer my question? i have a big white oak tree around 45 inch and maybe 30 feet tall , i made 4 hole on a tree but how many times i need to inject inside the tree?instead of glyphosate i applied roundup Transorb concentrate
For every week , until tree death, maximum upto 6 months
i have a few palm trees that i would like to "kill", i wonder if it'll work too. they charge me a lot to remove them so i figured atleast i can keep em from growing and making all that trash.
If I drill the tree and anti weed liquid into the tree. Will the tree fall down by itself?
Yes.. It took 1.5 years for the limbs to fall and even now (5 years later) most of the trunk still stands..
This is follow up video: th-cam.com/video/4bp4nTYHDDA/w-d-xo.html
If the tree is 12 inches across drill at least 6 or 7 inches, drill into center of tree AN it will kill any tree or bush, it is safe to use for sure kill add a couple of times.
The tree takes up nutrients from the outer edge of the tree " the bark " . Best to keep the holes shallow..... the depth only allows for a reserve of chemical. The tree takes up very few nutrients from the inside. However.......it still does. Just much slower !
Will it work for trees whose diameter is 120 inch
Try this to your annoying neighbour's plantations
Excellent video. I got 360g/litre glysophate. Going to try 50/50 solution with water.
I literally had this as an idea wasn't sure it would work
Yeah it works.. Another video, same process:
th-cam.com/video/k0gZFmSJR2Q/w-d-xo.html
hello thanks for the tips
is possible to inject directly on the roots of the tree after having drilled this one
wow i like it i am going to apply after watching ur video ..thanks a ton
I don't think I'm going to dilute the poison, I'm going to use it 100% pure concentrated… I want to make sure that tree is dead!!!
Hello, if I'm not mistaken you only made 1 hole in the video. Did you eventually made followup extra holes, or the single one was enough to kill the tree? Pls, reply/confirm, thanks in advance.
For this tree only one hole drilled.. No follow up.. Have another video 70ft pine tree.. Two holes drilled for that.. th-cam.com/video/k0gZFmSJR2Q/w-d-xo.html
Any suggestions to kill walnut tree without cutting with simple and easy techniques??
Where can I buy this chemical..
Please anybody's know this selling store
In India at Tamil Nadu .... please share the details and contact.....
Tell me if u find i am fed up with a tree its destroying my property
Asafetida dalo ped aesa hi mar jayega, same prosidure
Some pesticides shop any where in tamil Nadu
@@shireeshnaik7787 yane hing kya naik bhau?? Plz tell 1 feet + diameter hai tree ka
@@shireeshnaik7787 plz tell procedure bro
How’s the inside of the tree if cut down? Is it still the same color as it if would’ve died naturally?
Remedy or Remedy Ultra herbicide works real good diluted with water or diesel.
Hi PeanutButterMan. I would like to ask a few questions to dry 40 years old 6-7 meters tall oleaster tree.
- Is the hole diameter and length you opened is sufficient?
- How many ml of liquid should be put into the hole you opened?
Thanks.
I only drilled and filled one hole and used 1 ounce of glyphosate which is equal to 29.57ml.. You could drill more than one to increase the chance of success..
@@tongo117 thanks.