The slowest point of the corner: A place where the bike needs to be slowed and pointed so you can accelerate at wide open throttle for the longest period of time. It's at the end of the deceleration zone, the end of the direction change, the beginning of the acceleration zone, where the max lean angle will be (and if you're doing full body position, where your knee will touch). Try riding in a manner that gets you to and away from the slowest point of the corner the quickest, especially if you have a powerful bike.
My 18 year old daughter asked me what I was watching I had to explain to her that your educating people how to not crash and enjoy motorcycle riding the correct way. she thought that was pretty awesome.
Really good explanation. You are a genius at explaining this stuff Greg. I have one question….. is your garden overlooked?? If so what the heck did your neighbours think of you wandering around the garden with your helmet on pointing at the ground?! “He’s finally lost it” 😆😆 Really good video.well done..
Wow I love learning new things. Excellent explanation, you’ve opened my eyes and see cornering in a whole new light. I’ve been rider “A” far too long. Can’t wait to get out there and practice this. Fantastic!!!!!
Trail breaking is addictive to me. I can feel the front tire loading up like it's getting shoved into the tarmac harder and harder all the way to the apex where I release the brakes and immediately start feeding in throttle. I'm finding I can break later and harder than I used to do. I'm having to recalibrate my brain to not brake too early and end up going too slow through the corner. Thanks @MotoJitsu
This is where many years growing up on dirty bikes comes in, good demonstration.. I do know however 99% of these riding schools that grant bike license teach you this incorrect way and tell you to NEVER brake while banking into your turn, I think it's a safety factor for them .. but when I did my course they deducted points if you were still on brakes (front) going into the corner..
Yesterday i had a small crash, 13kph and i used my front brake on sand, but in front there was on obstacle, i has no choice but brake. I used the front brake, bike went down. Very very minimal damage, lesson learned. Today i almost crashed, but this time it was another guy's fault, he apologised the second i went to his window, said he did not see me, he is very sorry and he admits he is wrong, i was in the second lane, and he switched without turn signals by quickly pulling the steering wheel, i instantly felt adrenaline but i had the right instinct, i pushed on my left handlebar HARD and i did not crash, but if it were for him to be even 10 cm closer, we would have collided for sure. I was going like 40kph he was going about 20kph. All good, but i want to take courses and practice cause i wanna be more confident with my riding
Finally, now I got it, thank you! Just struggling Thinking about the situation if the turn gets tighter and the slowest point moves towards me, so I miss the slowest point..
Very informative! The principles you’ve explained are applicable to auto racing as well. Don’t look at the entry going in to the turn. Look ahead to the point of slowest speed, braking to that point, then shoot out of the turn at full throttle. It’s a psychological thing to overcome the feeling that braking may cause you to slide out, but that’s what makes the best as good as they are.
This is a good primer on the virtues of trail braking. It would be improved by chalk lines illustrating the difference between the two lines through the corner. Also, remember that the higher speed in/out of the corner doesn't come for free: the cost is the higher degree of difficulty of the braking while leaning while turning in maneuver, and the higher danger of tucking the front on the way into the corner (which is a common crash). Plus, it takes a while to learn what it feels like to be braking while turning and leaning, and this skill is hard to learn on the street bc pushing all the way to the limits of tractio is a no-no on public roads (as you always tell us!). IMO expensive sticky tires and track days are an important step if you really want to transform your braking technique to where you can trail brake with confidence
Awesome (creative) visualization and very well explained. Ride a RC390 (and VStrom 800T) so I’ll be paying much more attention on entry - slow - exit fast. Taking champ U on line which is great as well. Thanks.
Its also a "problem" of diferent paradigm, filosophy, method... Jorge Lorenzo was famous because how he round every corner carrying much more speed than others doing V-shapes. Also his method (developed by his father Chicho Lorenzo) has help a lot of riders like me to go faster on turns but i have to admit that now im using more your aproach specially on streets and i feel much more safer and under control. Thx for all your knowledge and for the efford to comunicate it.
Hi from Australia 🇦🇺😊 definitely 100% makes sense to my ears & eyes 😄👍 Love this teachings & big diagram of the turns in your backyard ! Great idea there 👍 Knowledge is NOT a Burden mate , Appreciation from down under in Australia, ps: Trail Braking is a great technique to master 🏍 🍹🕺
but rider B is more exposed to slide or highside if fully cracks opens the throttle, but this can be chaged if we see if as a pivot point. im gonna try this tomorrow in my track day lucky the track got a curve like that
Glad I got the max learn angle. I know that stuff intuitively I guess but it's very well visualized 👌 Personal note: As a long time dirtbike rider I'm always tempted to endo turn a big bike. Yeah obviously I know it wouldn't end well...maybe 😂
Great explanation. One question though : How do you determine the slowest point of a corner on an unfamiliar road, before entering ? I have a habit of just riding somewhere and not riding one road up and down all day. So ?
Safe answer is, ride based on what you know. On an unfamiliar road, that's nothing. Even if you frequent a road that offers some good twisties, there could be oil, gravel, sand, debris in a place where it wasn't during your last trip. Riding on track is the only place to safely employ what he's talking about.
This type of corner does have a slowest point but how about the long sweeping 90° turns. Do they have slowest points? So long sweeping 90° turn how would you ride that in comparison to what you just explained on this tighter turn
As with most things, it depends...check out MotoGP 2018 turn 3 at Philip Island (@27:48). They double apex it and carry the brake out to the middle of the track between apexes but the slowest part is much longer where they are on maintenance throttle.
These hypothetical riders doing 100mph (160kph) on public roads, who don't yet understand how to turn, must be being rapidly weeded out by natural selection.
The slowest point of the corner: A place where the bike needs to be slowed and pointed so you can accelerate at wide open throttle for the longest period of time. It's at the end of the deceleration zone, the end of the direction change, the beginning of the acceleration zone, where the max lean angle will be (and if you're doing full body position, where your knee will touch). Try riding in a manner that gets you to and away from the slowest point of the corner the quickest, especially if you have a powerful bike.
My 18 year old daughter asked me what I was watching I had to explain to her that your educating people how to not crash and enjoy motorcycle riding the correct way. she thought that was pretty awesome.
"Mooom, dads watching videos of someone point at tape on their driveway again...."
Who knows how many lives you've saved, thanks for great education.
Really good explanation. You are a genius at explaining this stuff Greg.
I have one question….. is your garden overlooked?? If so what the heck did your neighbours think of you wandering around the garden with your helmet on pointing at the ground?! “He’s finally lost it” 😆😆
Really good video.well done..
What kind of helmet are you using on your garden rides? I get the T shirt but flip flops? No gloves?
Greg the effort you put into small things, great job man!
Wow I love learning new things. Excellent explanation, you’ve opened my eyes and see cornering in a whole new light. I’ve been rider “A” far too long. Can’t wait to get out there and practice this. Fantastic!!!!!
Trail breaking is addictive to me. I can feel the front tire loading up like it's getting shoved into the tarmac harder and harder all the way to the apex where I release the brakes and immediately start feeding in throttle. I'm finding I can break later and harder than I used to do. I'm having to recalibrate my brain to not brake too early and end up going too slow through the corner. Thanks @MotoJitsu
This is where many years growing up on dirty bikes comes in, good demonstration.. I do know however 99% of these riding schools that grant bike license teach you this incorrect way and tell you to NEVER brake while banking into your turn, I think it's a safety factor for them .. but when I did my course they deducted points if you were still on brakes (front) going into the corner..
Yesterday i had a small crash, 13kph and i used my front brake on sand, but in front there was on obstacle, i has no choice but brake. I used the front brake, bike went down. Very very minimal damage, lesson learned. Today i almost crashed, but this time it was another guy's fault, he apologised the second i went to his window, said he did not see me, he is very sorry and he admits he is wrong, i was in the second lane, and he switched without turn signals by quickly pulling the steering wheel, i instantly felt adrenaline but i had the right instinct, i pushed on my left handlebar HARD and i did not crash, but if it were for him to be even 10 cm closer, we would have collided for sure. I was going like 40kph he was going about 20kph. All good, but i want to take courses and practice cause i wanna be more confident with my riding
Finally, now I got it, thank you! Just struggling Thinking about the situation if the turn gets tighter and the slowest point moves towards me, so I miss the slowest point..
Very informative! The principles you’ve explained are applicable to auto racing as well.
Don’t look at the entry going in to the turn. Look ahead to the point of slowest speed, braking to that point, then shoot out of the turn at full throttle.
It’s a psychological thing to overcome the feeling that braking may cause you to slide out, but that’s what makes the best as good as they are.
That's great information love it. Can you make a video of what you are thinking when doing this on a corner you've never been on?
This is a good primer on the virtues of trail braking. It would be improved by chalk lines illustrating the difference between the two lines through the corner.
Also, remember that the higher speed in/out of the corner doesn't come for free: the cost is the higher degree of difficulty of the braking while leaning while turning in maneuver, and the higher danger of tucking the front on the way into the corner (which is a common crash). Plus, it takes a while to learn what it feels like to be braking while turning and leaning, and this skill is hard to learn on the street bc pushing all the way to the limits of tractio is a no-no on public roads (as you always tell us!). IMO expensive sticky tires and track days are an important step if you really want to transform your braking technique to where you can trail brake with confidence
Awesome (creative) visualization and very well explained. Ride a RC390 (and VStrom 800T) so I’ll be paying much more attention on entry - slow - exit fast. Taking champ U on line which is great as well. Thanks.
Lighter longer, slight braking adjustments to get to the slowest point; great content, thanks for sharing!
Its also a "problem" of diferent paradigm, filosophy, method... Jorge Lorenzo was famous because how he round every corner carrying much more speed than others doing V-shapes. Also his method (developed by his father Chicho Lorenzo) has help a lot of riders like me to go faster on turns but i have to admit that now im using more your aproach specially on streets and i feel much more safer and under control. Thx for all your knowledge and for the efford to comunicate it.
Hi from Australia 🇦🇺😊 definitely 100% makes sense to my ears & eyes 😄👍 Love this teachings & big diagram of the turns in your backyard ! Great idea there 👍 Knowledge is NOT a Burden mate , Appreciation from down under in Australia, ps: Trail Braking is a great technique to master 🏍 🍹🕺
Very helpful! Thank you coach!
Slowest point is the point with the smallest radius. The slowest point of your curve is almost half of a circle.
Good job the visual really helps
How do you apply this on corners you don’t know without visibility ?
but rider B is more exposed to slide or highside if fully cracks opens the throttle, but this can be chaged if we see if as a pivot point.
im gonna try this tomorrow in my track day lucky the track got a curve like that
Glad I got the max learn angle. I know that stuff intuitively I guess but it's very well visualized 👌
Personal note:
As a long time dirtbike rider I'm always tempted to endo turn a big bike.
Yeah obviously I know it wouldn't end well...maybe 😂
Great explanation. One question though : How do you determine the slowest point of a corner on an unfamiliar road, before entering ?
I have a habit of just riding somewhere and not riding one road up and down all day. So ?
Safe answer is, ride based on what you know. On an unfamiliar road, that's nothing. Even if you frequent a road that offers some good twisties, there could be oil, gravel, sand, debris in a place where it wasn't during your last trip.
Riding on track is the only place to safely employ what he's talking about.
@slow2K2GT Yes indeed. But he's talking about riding like that on public roads.
Isn't trial braking more risky though? Uncertain how much brake you can use + how much lean you can use
Very correct n easy to understand for me 10QVM
Thank you 🙏🏼
I’m an app user and I have a cb500x not much of a wah bike i wonder if the principals apply
Meanwhile I am still practicing slow speed cornering after a full stop :D
This type of corner does have a slowest point but how about the long sweeping 90° turns. Do they have slowest points? So long sweeping 90° turn how would you ride that in comparison to what you just explained on this tighter turn
As with most things, it depends...check out MotoGP 2018 turn 3 at Philip Island (@27:48). They double apex it and carry the brake out to the middle of the track between apexes but the slowest part is much longer where they are on maintenance throttle.
Great explanation! Thank you
These hypothetical riders doing 100mph (160kph) on public roads, who don't yet understand how to turn, must be being rapidly weeded out by natural selection.
They are riding moto jitsu exclusive private backyard track. No speed limits there and only gear required is sandals with dress socks
👍👍Awesome video
bro should change his name to motocornering 😂 he only posts about turns now
It easy to ride in a straight line ....
@ who says I ride in a straight line lol I said something about the content he's putting out 🤫
Because everyone fucks up in corners😂
@@culturdcustomso you prefer he put out content about going in a straight line? 😂
@ you think the only thing you can post about a bike is turning it?
Haha
100 mph is illegal on 99% of US roads. Encourage people to obey the law, not break it. Public roads are not race tracks, ride legally and responsibly.
Forest for the trees.
Pipe down Fudd.
Womp womp
This is track riding technique