I think you’re wrong. I think the Apple sub deal could work, because it’s different than the pac 12 nw. That was only available on a small region of cable providers, as you said. Apple is available worldwide. If 3-4 million fans, which is a tiny amount of fans, pay, @12.99/mth 36 to 48 million a month, or 467 to 596 million a year. That’s more than enough, and it could be more if it’s 5 mil or more fans. It could actually be a model that other conf’s follow. So you’re actually proving the point by talking about distribution. Bottom line, it could work, if it’s distributed and fans want it. If the B1G doesn’t invite UW and UO, they’ll try it. They should invite SDS, Fresno, SMU and push the subs.
I saw this awesome idea earlier on a CFB forum: When the Big Ten adds more PAC schools, they can separate the conference into two divisions: the PAC and the BIG. Then, at the end of the season, they could have the winner of each division play each other. Perhaps this game could take place on New Year's day in California, maybe even have a parade and everything. They could call it "The Rose Bowl" or something like that. Could be fun.
Need 6 teams for a conference. If Washington, Oregon, Utah, ASU, and Arizona leave there are only 4 teams. No mountain west team will pay 34 million to leave their conference. Pac-12 is dead.
@@aaronrice4607 yeah.. renovated one side of the Stadium with suite boxes and better stands. The stadium isn't that bad for Corvallis, but the latest upgrades have looked pretty good
USuc and YUCLA blocked it, then betrayed them. The rest would’ve taken KSU, KU, OSU and TTech/Baylor in a heart beat. Then they would’ve been fine. The b12 could’ve then invited 6 teams and been a ten team League. Pieces of trash - SC and ucLA
Don't be fooled. The PAC 12 died when USC left, just like the Big 12 died when OU and Texas left. Sure, the Big 12 is alive now but they're getting peanuts compared to the Big Ten. By 2030 if you're not in the Big Ten or SEC you're not in major college football.
As an Oregon fan for over four decades, I understand why the Ducks & Huskies did this. Many will say “money” which isn’t totally correct. I believe the real answer is: Relevancy. It’s easier to recruit, they both now get stability that Larry Scott destroyed with his arrogance as commissioner of the Pac 12 and honestly, I feel awful for Oregon state, and Washington State. Cal and Stanford will be okay. OSU & WSU didn’t deserve this. It’s ashamed that the mismanagement of the broadcast rates for the Pac 12, which stumbled so horribly. When Larry Scott refused to let Oklahoma and Texas in, and turned down a terrestrial TV/ESPN contract opportunity, he turned it down for what he thought would be. “greener pastures.” “Greener Pastures” became the cemetery. It’s a hard day for many Oregon and Washington fans to leave OSU & WSU to “fend for themselves to survive.” I hope Autzen gives a STANDING OVATION to the Beavers at the end of the last “Civil War” game. I’m calling the game that because it’s fitting after over a century of competing against each other in conference.
100%. Big Ten was just waiting in an alliance with the PAC-12 and ACC to stay safe + get closer to the teams in case the SEC started making some moves, which they ended up doing, which is why the Big Ten is doing what they are doing.
It's not that simple. The Pac's attempted raid on the B12 is what prompted the B12 to give Texas the LHN. This resulted in a middle finger from A&M, Mizzou, Neb, and CU. Also, at the same time, Texas' performance went into the toilet. Bama hiring Nick Saban swung the pendulum hugely from Texas/OU and USC. The SEC on-field quality surged as recruits saw the SEC as a fast lane to the NFL. Big TV $ followed. All the while the Pac12 made numerous bad decisions. Many of those were rooted in hubris and tone deafness. But if you wanna blame one group, by all means ...
I agree to a point. The B1G never went after the LA schools. It was USC who approached the B1G years ago. The announcement just happened to be shortly after the news about Tex and Ok switching conferences. The B1G worked the LA schools into their media rights package from the very beginning, hence the reason why they received full revenue. Obviously sitting in the 2nd largest media market boosted their value, as well as their name brand.
Can someone explain to me how all of these changes (realignment into national conferences, playoff expansion, unregulated NIL, etc) isn’t making college football into a crappier NFL?
Here’s what I hope ultimately happens. With the PAC falling apart and the ACC seemingly vulnerable, I’d like the BIG 10 to go all in- 24 teams. Here’s my wish list. May not happen but I’d love it if they did: Big 10- 6 PODS 24 team South North Carolina, Clemson, Florida St., Miami East: Virginia, Maryland, Penn St, Rutgers Central: Ohio St, Michigan, Michigan St., Indiana Midwest: Notre Dame, Purdue, Northwestern, Illinois North: Wisconsin, Minnesota, Iowa, Nebraska West: USC, UCLA, Oregon, Washington Play everyone in your pod each year and combine with 2 other pods to form a division which rotates yearly, so you eventually play each pod. Play 3 teams from the each pod for a total of 9 games. Each division has a winner face off for a championship game. Joe’s version is probably more realistic but this is my dream scenario.
Not far off from what I wrote down two years back, but I have 32 a piece. 24 teams certainly could work, and you did excellent with your pods, but 24 will squeeze out too many larger universities. As for your teams, I only see Clemson, FSU, and possibly north Carolina, as SEC teams. The rest is pretty much spot on.
I understand that the whole Clemson to the Big Ten claims are bogus and unsubstantiated but I can't help but think as a Clemson fan how awesome it would be to play in that conference.
Thank you for the; clear, concise, point by point explanation of the what & why. It helped immensely. Wondering why PAC-12 didn’t secure the media deal before Big-12. Why wasn’t he aggressive and protect the PAC’s investment. This is a good case study for a business class.
@@tracyisbest personally, as someone who enjoys the game but didn’t follow the “underpinning” workings of the conference……who now is hit with the huge avalanche of change it helped to understand the why & how. Granted others who have followed more intently and already knew the history it might not have. He included the background history which I appreciated.
The desire to pin this on one act is understandable but doesn't reflect reality. So many different actions/inactions built up to this. Tex/OU departure was just the most talked about and relatively recent.
Joel, agree with your takes here. I personally can’t see a hail mary deal for the Pac-12. In 2010, the Hail Mary deal that kept the Big 12 together was giving UT the longhorn network, so, i just can’t see what the Pac-12 could workout, short of the like, adding SDSU, Boise State, and some other school to get back to 12 and stabilize the show
Problem with the Pac12! I moved to Michigan from LA. The Pac12 Braintrusts decided it was a good thing to air games from the West Coast at 7:30 Pacific Time, meaning games in the eastern time zone were starting at 10:30 pm Eastern Time. Nobody was watching Pac12 games. The brand was hurt because of these decisions! Just one of the issues that hurt the revenue sharing between schools.
The Pac 12's problem started with the Pac 12 after dark It was a terrible marketing idea It made it so anyone in EST and CST would have to stay up too late. Ratings were dismal. Then the equal distribution ticked off USC and UCLA.
Yeah, as someone who really noticed the Ducks when Marcus Mariotta was there and tried watching all their games, the 'after dark' was just bad. Most of the country was heading to bed when the important PAC-12 games were starting. I wondered why they didn't do any 11am or noon games West Coast time. Now some of these schools will start getting more exposure.
It would be a good play by the Big10 to get both Miami and FSU they could really build up the rivalry make it the biggest in the state and in a way make Florida the third best team
I have no clue, with all these sports outles, why we don't get this kind of information from anywhere else. I guess except maybe some newspapers that still investigate but no one reads. This makes perfect sense now. Thanks!
The question now is, will the B1G take Stanford and Cal as well. Sure makes sense in terms of old-fashioned ideas like academics, and definitely makes sense in terms of logistics, scheduling. Having some sort of Pacific subdivision with UW, UO, Cal, Stanford, USC, and UCLA is an attractive idea.
It's about time you got your own channel on TH-cam. You're one of my favorites in the business. Anyone that doesn't listen to Joel Klatt, doesn't know enough about college football.
The networks are controlling this far too much. These cross country conferences are being driven by ESPN/FOX and money. For football (which plays once a week) it may work - but for sports that play multiple times a week, is that best??
It is commonly said that no one is thinking about the athletes. I think even the athletes aren’t thinking about the impact it will have on them. I’m interested to see what happens in the next few years when they do start thinking more about their own mental health.
They are getting a raw deal and there is nothing they can do about it. I'm from Oregon. Sad to see that all of this could have worked out if the PAC12 didn't hire imbeciles at the top (Larry Scott and Kliavkoff).
⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️Joel you have a very knowledgeable, balanced view of college football. I wish you would talk about how - yes, the PAC-12’s demise is largely due to gross management on the PAC-12’s part, but it’s just as much related to big media wanting to see the conference fail & skim off the cream of the pac-12. You probably have the best explanation of anyone out there, that being said.
Does anyone think with all the shakeup in the PAC 12 and FSU wanting to leave the ACC, that the Big 10 will try to bring Notre Dame into their conference? Seems like if the Big 10 goes after Oregon, Washington and maybe Stanford, they would look for a 4th school. Either Cal or ND?
Wait wait wait. When hasn’t the B1G tried to add Notre Dame? (Yeah, I know some of the history of anti-Catholic bias in the Midwest, but it seems like this has been discussed for a large fraction of my, um, 50+ years.)
Don’t entertain any idea that ND would be an afterthought to any conference plan. They have already rejected the big integer numerous times. The ACC deal they currently have is really sustainable. It satisfies their need, a conference that provides a home for their Olympic sports teams. Even hard to figure the advantage of leaving, for teams like Clemson, Miami, or Florida State, who have stability in a smaller pond where they are the big fish and decent revenues and prestige as a national recruiting presence all the result of their association with Notre Dame. Even if teams do leave, whatever remains will still provide ND with conference association where they need it. With plenty of opportunity to weave national powerhouse games into their football schedule. My personal belief, the ACC remains unchanged.
IDK about the ACC not splitting, I can see a scenario where the Big 12/Big 10/SEC agree to split up 6 teams in order to get the votes to tear up that rights deal. The teams would be Duke/UNC/USC (lite)/FSU/Miami/Clemson that's half the conference. IF that happens then ND is without a conference and would be a bonus for the big 10 as they'd move their sports outside of football or forced to move all sports if the conf decided to play hardball since they also would have USC as a card to play. This all could get very interesting and ugly real quick right before kickoff in 29 days.
That’s right on PAC 12 demise. Gross, poor leadership with arrogance and indifference, toward athletics. No one from the outside destroyed The PAC 12, the outsiders rescued the major parts of it.
Wrong. Timing had nothing to do with it. fan interest, Brand Power and entertainment value are the reasons why the Big 12 got a deal and why the PAC 12 didn’t. No television network in America would choose to air PAC 12 sports over Big 12 sports. Enough of that misinformation
Why would schools like USC and UCLA get the same TV money as schools like Oregon and Washington state? I don't blame them. #2 TV market schools should get more money.
If you are ESPN, would you rather have FSU & Clemson playing a lousy ACC schedule & languishing at a low payout with small audiences or FSU & Clemson playing an SEC schedule with much better & more marquis games with much larger audiences & flourishing with a higher pay out?
FSU is the lousy acc schedule. Sure they were 10-3laat year, but fsu has been utterly irrelevant for 8 years. FSU moving to big ten or sec is just going to make them cannon fodder. They lost big brand status half a decade ago
I said this when USC and UCLA jumped to the Big 10. The Big Ten needed to add 4 more schools out west (Oregon, Washington, Stanford (for the academic side of the Big 10) and Arizona or Colorado). Now with potentially Arizona and Colorado out, they should add two more out West. And once schools can get out of the ACC they should look to add Duke, North Carolina, Clemson, FSU or Miami. They would cover a majority of the USA and have some of the biggest markets for football and basketball. So the divisions would look like: West: USC UCLA OREGON WASHINGTON STANFORD ONE MORE MIDWEST: MINNESOTA WISCONSIN ILLINOIS IOWA NEBRASKA NORTHWESTERN CENTRAL: MICHIGAN ST MICHIGAN PURDUE OHIO ST INDIANA PENN ST EAST: RUTGERS MARYLAND CLEMSON DUKE NORTH CAROLINA MIAMI OR FSU
I'm going to push back on the premise that this is some kind of Titanic situation where universities are going to go under if they don't move conferences. Stanford, Cal, Oregon, Arizona etc universities are not in danger of bankruptcy. Arizona has $55m just in cash and $1.4B in revenue. Stanford could quit football entirely and the school will be here in 100 years. If they got $20m less for their broadcast rights, they wouldn't like it, but they would be nowhere near financial insolvency. The problem is how do you explain paying your assistant coaches $1m and flying them by private jets to see recruits if your athletic department isn't breaking even? There are players that don't understand why the football team needs a private jet to win one more game a year, assuming that other teams don't have their own private plane, when you can spend that money on cancer research. For the sake of argument, if you could get another $50m for your rights, what would you spend it on? You coaches would want a raise. Your administrators would want a raise. Your players would see that money coming in and want a part of that. Your boosters would want better private boxes. It's called inflation. More money comes into the system and you end up paying more for the same thing and you get nowhere.
@@coog9 Not really. Students all over the country pay $hundreds in student fees to support their athletic department. Some schools move athletic scholarship costs to other funds to make the athletic department look good. Some do the opposite. You need ticket money and media deals so that you can justify paying your OC a million dollars. Pretty hard to justify that if the athletic department is in the red. If you have to move money from other university accounts to cover a deficit in the athletic accounts, then things get ugly. You get pushback for raising fees, tuition, or telling your cancer researcher she doesn't get a raise this year. And you certainly don't want to tell the legislature that the AD isn't exercising fiscal control.
@cowbells - You can make all the rationalizations you want, athletics success has a direct effect on the number of students and the quality of students. Also, the students that pay fees to the athletic department are likely at the underfunded schools. The big schools are subsidizing other programs because of the football and to some extent basketball revenue.
Thank-you, your explanation GREAT !! I had asked Coach Pat Jones ( U of Ark. & Eric Gee ) on their Show on WWLS Tulsa The Sports Animal 11-am - 2pm ( 97.1 / 98.1) I had about Mr. Knight and possible Business partners start a television Channel for the Pac -12 like the Longhorn Network / SEC Network Thank-you again for such a informative video.
As a Oregon fan. And Pac12 fan in general. Its a shame what Larry did. I wish the Pac had competent people in charge. At the same time, a part of me me is exited for Oregon and Washington headed to a bigger conference and get more eyes on them.
What if UNC and Duke join Big 12. Why??? Big 12 might breakaway in basketball or threaten NCAA and force NCAA tournament money based on performance. It would totally change landscape of college sports. NCAA tournament is most valuable asset in college sports. Next NCAA contract is estimated to be in 2 - 2.5 billion annually.
Cal and Stanford are going to the B1G because of academics. Oregon State and Washington State are joining the revamped Mountain West (Pac-West) Conference because of necessity.
Would the ACC look to expand West with the remaining PAC-12 teams? Seems like Notre Dame would finally try to be an addition to a conference, and negotiate a little higher percentage of the revenue.
The only way the Pac 12 survives is if they quickly add Fresno State, San Jose State, San Diego, San Diego State, Nevada, Nevada-Las Vegas, Boise State, Hawaii, and Gonzaga. This will make the Pac 12 a second tier conference, but at least it will still be around.
I've been saying all along why would ESPN pay more for the same teams that are in the ACC to go to the SEC or BIG? If someone would let me in on that I am all ears? ESPN is bleeding money like a stuck hog, Disney is losing money, and they are looking to shed entities to reduce costs. ESPN has announced that they are looking for 'strategic partners" i.e.. bail our rear ends out. Ain't gonna happen in the near future. Will the ACC survive long term? It may if revenues increase. ESPN's business model is shedding subscriptions to streaming services and they are in a world of hurt. It's like the fans and schools of the ACC teams wanting to leave the ACC have no business acumen. Ain't but so much money out there unless you are the government. They just print more.
Yes, but this is about these conferences having leverage with all the most marketable teams. So, if the B1G or SEC can poach all the teams that really matter for media fan engagement, then they can get more money with their deals. That's what happened with the B1G when they added UCLA and USC. They increased their values because now they have a bigger fan base and control the LA market. So what happens is the lesser schools lose when they are no longer affiliated with the big-name schools. The money has shifted. That's what is happening to the PAC12 right now.
@@scratchpenny ESPN pays the SEC in addition to the ACC. ESPN would have to agree for Clemson or whomever from the ACC to leave to go to the SEC. The current GOR makes that more difficult. ESPN would have to pay more money for those same teams that were in the ACC to go wherever. If that is in ESPN's best interest they would agree to it if they could discount the remaining teams in the ACC. You talk about leverage. I'm talking about who's paying the bill for that leverage.
@@DarthPicarat in terms of pure quantity of teams, yes. But that's secondary. The SEC could add 4 more teams at the drop of a hat. SEC still has a huge relevance advantage after adding UT and OU. No other conference is close atm, and that takes years and years to fix.
Yes it was last and current commissioners fault, did nothing when they had time and opportunities to right the wrong, the schools who were focused on academics > CFB landscape evolution were also at fault by being shortsighted and hiring people who couldn’t propel the conf forward
Love Klatt and he's not exactly wrong when he goes through who all deserves some of the blame but let's be honest, the chief parties to blame are Fox and ESPN. They created this environment, take the responsibility.
The smart, arrogant schools made a bunch of dumb, arrogant moves. At this point they should take in most of the Mountain West and SMU, and market themselves as THE west coast league. …or Stanford and Cal can ask for an invite to the IVY league.
I look at change like this....there's the "change" that is imperative for the betterment of one's health, family status, or personal fulfillment such as religious choice. Then, there's the type of " change" that one could do with, or without as it only serves as a form of hobby, outlet, or entertainment. The 2nd example is ( unfortunately) where I stand with today's college football. Since about the age of 8, fall Saturday's was a joyful day of cartoons, Keith Jackson,& College Football. With the constant change in college athletics such as N.I.L., the Portal,& now...MASSIVE realignment, I've come to a point of the resignation of my emotional investment in sports( in general) . It has become something that I can do without as I choose not to embrace the "change" that ensues. I won't go so far as to say it's impending doom! It's just not for me.
Pac-12 boasting about a 9 conference game schedule while not realizing it was just wearing out their programs. A cupcake late in the season is basically a bye week.
BY-Who? 😂 It's not fanbase that matters anymore. This is not the BCS. It's TV viewership so networks can sell ads to make money. Hence the push to consolidate large viewership markets like LA into larger media markets like the B1G. That's why the B1G is looking to gobble up Seattle (UW) and Portland (Oregon). Ultimately will grab Stanford and Cal for San Francisco. Truth is Utah got higher viewership on average than BYU last year. That's what the networks will care about. The network only cares that your fans show up to the game or watch on TV. They don't care about how many could watch. They care about who does.
@@jamesstone9213 Utah's composite recruiting ranking for 2023 was 23rd. The only one higher in the Big12 is future member CO at 21st. TCU is ranked 26th. Next highest is Texas Tech and Bayolr at 36th and 37th. Utah would most likely be a top program in the Big12 upon entry. There's no guarantee but most likely they would find success. I didn't count Texas and Oklahoma as they'll be in the SEC in 2024. Though they do rank higher than Utah in recruiting.
Ok well two things.... 1. BSU still has the most MWC titles of any team currently in the MWC. 2. Boise State gets a larger share of revenue..... by $2 million, or at least they used to until 2019 when the MWC in the middle of their TV contract tried to steal it away from them (which is why BSU has been suing the MWC for 4 years now). And a few more things.... 3. BSU is trying to grow the program, but the MWC is steadfast in remaining a local brand, which limits their ability to grow, which is also why they have been trying to get out of the conference really ever since they joined. 4. It should also be noted that the only reason BSU got the revenue in the first place wasnt even because they dominated the MWC, but because they were going to join the Big East in 2012, but the MWC agreed to give them the larger share.
@@luismoreno564 You do realize 4 other teams in the MWC have some pretty alarming problems with the MWC? Including Fresno State, SDSU, San Jose State and Air Force......
What do you think about this next wave of conference expansion?
I think it’s stupid
Exciting
Short sighted
Disgraceful. It’s all about the money.
I think you’re wrong. I think the Apple sub deal could work, because it’s different than the pac 12 nw. That was only available on a small region of cable providers, as you said. Apple is available worldwide. If 3-4 million fans, which is a tiny amount of fans, pay, @12.99/mth 36 to 48 million a month, or 467 to 596 million a year. That’s more than enough, and it could be more if it’s 5 mil or more fans. It could actually be a model that other conf’s follow. So you’re actually proving the point by talking about distribution. Bottom line, it could work, if it’s distributed and fans want it. If the B1G doesn’t invite UW and UO, they’ll try it. They should invite SDS, Fresno, SMU and push the subs.
I saw this awesome idea earlier on a CFB forum:
When the Big Ten adds more PAC schools, they can separate the conference into two divisions: the PAC and the BIG. Then, at the end of the season, they could have the winner of each division play each other. Perhaps this game could take place on New Year's day in California, maybe even have a parade and everything. They could call it "The Rose Bowl" or something like that. Could be fun.
We could call it the Groundhogs Day Conference 😂
Innovative
Brilliant.
Big10 on WSU and OSU… I’m good. Not sure you really had a chance.
😆🤣
Oregon St gonna be the Pac-4 Champs in a couple yrs
Need 6 teams for a conference.
If Washington, Oregon, Utah, ASU, and Arizona leave there are only 4 teams. No mountain west team will pay 34 million to leave their conference.
Pac-12 is dead.
Didn't they just build a new stadium or something? Yikes man.
@@aaronrice4607 yeah.. renovated one side of the Stadium with suite boxes and better stands. The stadium isn't that bad for Corvallis, but the latest upgrades have looked pretty good
Haha
Brutal lol
Pac 12 dug their own grave. They had an opportunity to add 4 teams in 2021 and declined
USuc and YUCLA blocked it, then betrayed them. The rest would’ve taken KSU, KU, OSU and TTech/Baylor in a heart beat. Then they would’ve been fine. The b12 could’ve then invited 6 teams and been a ten team
League. Pieces of trash - SC and ucLA
Tulane SMU Fresno State San Diego State Bosie State Memphis and USF is all if I'm not mistaken
@@jordanjones4587 All those East Coast teams in the PACIFIC 12... That makes sense.
Don't be fooled. The PAC 12 died when USC left, just like the Big 12 died when OU and Texas left. Sure, the Big 12 is alive now but they're getting peanuts compared to the Big Ten. By 2030 if you're not in the Big Ten or SEC you're not in major college football.
No. Every school that thinks they’re big enough… that’s an admission that you’re not. No REALISTIC expansion added the value the Pac needed.
Thanks Joel. Your clear and succinct explanation makes a whole lotta sense.
Keep it up, Joel. This stuff is FASCINATING
As an Oregon fan for over four decades, I understand why the Ducks & Huskies did this. Many will say “money” which isn’t totally correct. I believe the real answer is:
Relevancy.
It’s easier to recruit, they both now get stability that Larry Scott destroyed with his arrogance as commissioner of the Pac 12 and honestly, I feel awful for Oregon state, and Washington State. Cal and Stanford will be okay.
OSU & WSU didn’t deserve this.
It’s ashamed that the mismanagement of the broadcast rates for the Pac 12, which stumbled so horribly. When Larry Scott refused to let Oklahoma and Texas in, and turned down a terrestrial TV/ESPN contract opportunity, he turned it down for what he thought would be. “greener pastures.”
“Greener Pastures” became the cemetery.
It’s a hard day for many Oregon and Washington fans to leave OSU & WSU to “fend for themselves to survive.” I hope Autzen gives a STANDING OVATION to the Beavers at the end of the last “Civil War” game.
I’m calling the game that because it’s fitting after over a century of competing against each other in conference.
I feel your pain brother. I’m a Cal alum and I’m worried for my school and I hope the rest of the of the PAC12 gets into BIG10
It’s appropriate to hope.
refused to let OU and TX in???
@@thomasnew8606why did he not want them?
What was the reason?
Great content as always Joel. Waiting for the CFB season to begin to watch and hear you and Gus call the games on Fox.
SEC actually started all this. Getting Texas and Oklahoma prompted Big ten to get Usc and Ucla.
100%. Big Ten was just waiting in an alliance with the PAC-12 and ACC to stay safe + get closer to the teams in case the SEC started making some moves, which they ended up doing, which is why the Big Ten is doing what they are doing.
It's not that simple. The Pac's attempted raid on the B12 is what prompted the B12 to give Texas the LHN. This resulted in a middle finger from A&M, Mizzou, Neb, and CU.
Also, at the same time, Texas' performance went into the toilet.
Bama hiring Nick Saban swung the pendulum hugely from Texas/OU and USC. The SEC on-field quality surged as recruits saw the SEC as a fast lane to the NFL. Big TV $ followed.
All the while the Pac12 made numerous bad decisions. Many of those were rooted in hubris and tone deafness.
But if you wanna blame one group, by all means ...
I agree to a point. The B1G never went after the LA schools. It was USC who approached the B1G years ago. The announcement just happened to be shortly after the news about Tex and Ok switching conferences.
The B1G worked the LA schools into their media rights package from the very beginning, hence the reason why they received full revenue. Obviously sitting in the 2nd largest media market boosted their value, as well as their name brand.
@@sunsetbeachballersreece7040Bullshit. The Big10 started realignment with flirting with Mizzou & Nebraska in ‘09
@Pietothesky well realignment really started when Acc killed the old big east by getting Miami, VT, and Boston College. That's what started everything
Can someone explain to me how all of these changes (realignment into national conferences, playoff expansion, unregulated NIL, etc) isn’t making college football into a crappier NFL?
Yep, sadly it is becoming the minor league for the NFL
Still better than the NFL imo
At least the NFL tries to keep teams geographically aligned in the same division
@@goblue193more or less... Dallas is if much in the east of Texas
Sorry, I can't explain that.
Here’s what I hope ultimately happens. With the PAC falling apart and the ACC seemingly vulnerable, I’d like the BIG 10 to go all in- 24 teams. Here’s my wish list. May not happen but I’d love it if they did:
Big 10- 6 PODS 24 team
South
North Carolina, Clemson, Florida St., Miami
East:
Virginia, Maryland, Penn St, Rutgers
Central:
Ohio St, Michigan, Michigan St., Indiana
Midwest:
Notre Dame, Purdue, Northwestern, Illinois
North:
Wisconsin, Minnesota, Iowa, Nebraska
West:
USC, UCLA, Oregon, Washington
Play everyone in your pod each year and combine with 2 other pods to form a division which rotates yearly, so you eventually play each pod. Play 3 teams from the each pod for a total of 9 games. Each division has a winner face off for a championship game.
Joe’s version is probably more realistic but this is my dream scenario.
After reading this i really like this idea! It makes the most sense and actually brings back some regionality to college football.
This is a clean way to make it work. GBR!!
What about Duke?
More likely to get Stanford and Cal than Clemson and Florida State. And ND ain't happening.
Not far off from what I wrote down two years back, but I have 32 a piece. 24 teams certainly could work, and you did excellent with your pods, but 24 will squeeze out too many larger universities.
As for your teams, I only see Clemson, FSU, and possibly north Carolina, as SEC teams. The rest is pretty much spot on.
I understand that the whole Clemson to the Big Ten claims are bogus and unsubstantiated but I can't help but think as a Clemson fan how awesome it would be to play in that conference.
Possibility of some real bangers for sure.
You know full well your school would rather be with the king not the clown Clemson is sec bound if/when they leave
@@elvangulley3210 I agree. Was just a hypothetical.
As a Gamecock fan, y'all are gonna be in the SEC one day imo. Plus you don't wanna travel to So Cal for games dude.
@@GundamGokuTV oh for sure. I just thought it was a neat idea. SEC makes the most sense assuming if anything happens.
Thank you for the; clear, concise, point by point explanation of the what & why. It helped immensely.
Wondering why PAC-12 didn’t secure the media deal before Big-12. Why wasn’t he aggressive and protect the PAC’s investment.
This is a good case study for a business class.
I just don't think the thought going first or last made a difference. The buyers have always been there. This is like trying to sell a house in 2009.
Seriously? This helped you? I didn't hear Joel Klatt say one thing that I didn't already know. Maybe I just need to step away for a bit.
Arrogance is a powerful drug. That, and a significant portion of the PAC12 hates football.
@@tracyisbest personally, as someone who enjoys the game but didn’t follow the “underpinning” workings of the conference……who now is hit with the huge avalanche of change it helped to understand the why & how. Granted others who have followed more intently and already knew the history it might not have. He included the background history which I appreciated.
George got punked.
This started with ESPN with Texas & OU
Everyone else had the choice to stay put..😂
No this started when the big east got taken apart last realignment
The desire to pin this on one act is understandable but doesn't reflect reality. So many different actions/inactions built up to this. Tex/OU departure was just the most talked about and relatively recent.
But the PAC-12 was already the sick man of College conferences b4 Texas & OU
Nebraska to the Big Ten was the domino that fell
Joel, agree with your takes here. I personally can’t see a hail mary deal for the Pac-12. In 2010, the Hail Mary deal that kept the Big 12 together was giving UT the longhorn network, so, i just can’t see what the Pac-12 could workout, short of the like, adding SDSU, Boise State, and some other school to get back to 12 and stabilize the show
Problem with the Pac12! I moved to Michigan from LA. The Pac12 Braintrusts decided it was a good thing to air games from the West Coast at 7:30 Pacific Time, meaning games in the eastern time zone were starting at 10:30 pm Eastern Time. Nobody was watching Pac12 games. The brand was hurt because of these decisions! Just one of the issues that hurt the revenue sharing between schools.
@oldguyrocks I agree 100% on the starting time of 7:30pm being a killer. In early November when DST ends 7:30pm feels like 8:30pm start.
I like Oregon and Washington joining the big 10
I just heard from a reliable source that Nebraska, Kansas and Missouri are moving to the Big 8
Looks like Tony Altimore lost all credibility. Tony Altimore said no big 12 PAC 12 teams leaving the PAC 12 for the Big 12
It’s good to hope.
The Pac 12's problem started with the Pac 12 after dark It was a terrible marketing idea It made it so anyone in EST and CST would have to stay up too late. Ratings were dismal. Then the equal distribution ticked off USC and UCLA.
yup...big part of it...and there terrible network
Yeah, as someone who really noticed the Ducks when Marcus Mariotta was there and tried watching all their games, the 'after dark' was just bad. Most of the country was heading to bed when the important PAC-12 games were starting. I wondered why they didn't do any 11am or noon games West Coast time. Now some of these schools will start getting more exposure.
I hate the atmosphere of college football. I'm old school. I'd like to know who's playing on my college football team next year
I want FSU, Miami, Clemson, GT, Washington, Oregon and ND.
It would be a good play by the Big10 to get both Miami and FSU they could really build up the rivalry make it the biggest in the state and in a way make Florida the third best team
I have no clue, with all these sports outles, why we don't get this kind of information from anywhere else. I guess except maybe some newspapers that still investigate but no one reads. This makes perfect sense now. Thanks!
The question now is, will the B1G take Stanford and Cal as well. Sure makes sense in terms of old-fashioned ideas like academics, and definitely makes sense in terms of logistics, scheduling. Having some sort of Pacific subdivision with UW, UO, Cal, Stanford, USC, and UCLA is an attractive idea.
Nope! Let them use state funding and endowments for their Olympic Sports. They actually don’t like football.
I hope not. Terrible ratings and nobody goes to the games. Would not add anything. Let's not pretend anybody cares about academics.
A pacific subdivision is archaic. Nothing against old people, I am one, but there’s a reason the pretty ones get all the saggy skin pulled tight.
Stanford and Cal meeting with ACC per espn
It's about time you got your own channel on TH-cam. You're one of my favorites in the business. Anyone that doesn't listen to Joel Klatt, doesn't know enough about college football.
Excellent over-view. Really well done - kudos.
The networks are controlling this far too much. These cross country conferences are being driven by ESPN/FOX and money. For football (which plays once a week) it may work - but for sports that play multiple times a week, is that best??
It is commonly said that no one is thinking about the athletes. I think even the athletes aren’t thinking about the impact it will have on them. I’m interested to see what happens in the next few years when they do start thinking more about their own mental health.
@smp1965nc - Yep! I'm hoping that the pupeteers at ESPN have to file BK. Just because ...
Love my beavs - feel like they’re getting the raw end of the deal right now.
They are getting a raw deal and there is nothing they can do about it. I'm from Oregon. Sad to see that all of this could have worked out if the PAC12 didn't hire imbeciles at the top (Larry Scott and Kliavkoff).
Y’all definitely are, y’all and Wazzou. Would love to have y’all in the Big 12, your fan bases seems like they’d fit in the Big 12.
Problem is this isn't about fan base . This is all tv money
Oregon St would be crazy in the B1G, I feel like the BIG needs to drop the bad schools and add better schools
Yeah. They are..... Washington State too
⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️Joel you have a very knowledgeable, balanced view of college football. I wish you would talk about how - yes, the PAC-12’s demise is largely due to gross management on the PAC-12’s part, but it’s just as much related to big media wanting to see the conference fail & skim off the cream of the pac-12. You probably have the best explanation of anyone out there, that being said.
Does anyone think with all the shakeup in the PAC 12 and FSU wanting to leave the ACC, that the Big 10 will try to bring Notre Dame into their conference? Seems like if the Big 10 goes after Oregon, Washington and maybe Stanford, they would look for a 4th school. Either Cal or ND?
Wait wait wait. When hasn’t the B1G tried to add Notre Dame?
(Yeah, I know some of the history of anti-Catholic bias in the Midwest, but it seems like this has been discussed for a large fraction of my, um, 50+ years.)
The Big 10 would love Notre Dame, but Notre Dame has been resistant. I think what you just mentioned is the only way Stanford gets in.
I'm guessing Stanford and Cal are a package.
Stanford and Cal are a package because of all their fond affections for each other?
Don’t entertain any idea that ND would be an afterthought to any conference plan. They have already rejected the big integer numerous times. The ACC deal they currently have is really sustainable. It satisfies their need, a conference that provides a home for their Olympic sports teams. Even hard to figure the advantage of leaving, for teams like Clemson, Miami, or Florida State, who have stability in a smaller pond where they are the big fish and decent revenues and prestige as a national recruiting presence all the result of their association with Notre Dame. Even if teams do leave, whatever remains will still provide ND with conference association where they need it. With plenty of opportunity to weave national powerhouse games into their football schedule. My personal belief, the ACC remains unchanged.
They'll do a 30 for 30 in a few years on the down fall of the PAC 12. Baffling.
Big video upgrade👍 Keep up the good work.
IDK about the ACC not splitting, I can see a scenario where the Big 12/Big 10/SEC agree to split up 6 teams in order to get the votes to tear up that rights deal. The teams would be Duke/UNC/USC (lite)/FSU/Miami/Clemson that's half the conference. IF that happens then ND is without a conference and would be a bonus for the big 10 as they'd move their sports outside of football or forced to move all sports if the conf decided to play hardball since they also would have USC as a card to play. This all could get very interesting and ugly real quick right before kickoff in 29 days.
That’s right on PAC 12 demise. Gross, poor leadership with arrogance and indifference, toward athletics. No one from the outside destroyed The PAC 12, the outsiders rescued the major parts of it.
You do a great job explaining the situation!
Great insight!! It does help clarify some of the issues.
Finally. Some quality content on expansion.
Joel is spot on about PAC 12 network. There was like 15 channels and no one watched any of them
Wrong. Timing had nothing to do with it. fan interest, Brand Power and entertainment value are the reasons why the Big 12 got a deal and why the PAC 12 didn’t.
No television network in America would choose to air PAC 12 sports over Big 12 sports. Enough of that misinformation
The pac 12 got poor coverage. Over last decade To many late night games most of country didnt see
Like it was said a couple years ago, there are only 2 conferences in reality. They are ESPN and FOX
Great show Joel, thank you for discussing this at an adult level.
Yes, discussing a game at an adult level.
You mean ignore the fact the sport we love is being torn apart by greed?
Fantastic analysis as always!
Joe you do an outstanding job as always!!! Keep up the great work!!
I agree with you Joel you’re spot on man
Spot on analysis Joel.
There were rumors of Florida State going to the SEC in the 1980s and 1990s.
Instead South Carolina and Arkansas jumped at the chance.
Why would schools like USC and UCLA get the same TV money as schools like Oregon and Washington state? I don't blame them. #2 TV market schools should get more money.
The latter are pleading for half shares.
Would be the first time in history that a team won a national championship in the last year of its conference
This is a great explanation of how we got here. Thank you
If you are ESPN, would you rather have FSU & Clemson playing a lousy ACC schedule & languishing at a low payout with small audiences or FSU & Clemson playing an SEC schedule with much better & more marquis games with much larger audiences & flourishing with a higher pay out?
FSU is the lousy acc schedule. Sure they were 10-3laat year, but fsu has been utterly irrelevant for 8 years. FSU moving to big ten or sec is just going to make them cannon fodder. They lost big brand status half a decade ago
I said this when USC and UCLA jumped to the Big 10. The Big Ten needed to add 4 more schools out west (Oregon, Washington, Stanford (for the academic side of the Big 10) and Arizona or Colorado). Now with potentially Arizona and Colorado out, they should add two more out West.
And once schools can get out of the ACC they should look to add Duke, North Carolina, Clemson, FSU or Miami. They would cover a majority of the USA and have some of the biggest markets for football and basketball.
So the divisions would look like:
West:
USC
UCLA
OREGON
WASHINGTON
STANFORD
ONE MORE
MIDWEST:
MINNESOTA
WISCONSIN
ILLINOIS
IOWA
NEBRASKA
NORTHWESTERN
CENTRAL:
MICHIGAN ST
MICHIGAN
PURDUE
OHIO ST
INDIANA
PENN ST
EAST:
RUTGERS
MARYLAND
CLEMSON
DUKE
NORTH CAROLINA
MIAMI OR FSU
UNLV might seem like a dumb choice but with LV becoming bigger in sports it would make sense.
Or add Notre Dame and bump Nebraska to the West.
@@davidkirst1077I'm surprised they didn't grab Utah honestly. They've long been called the BIG10 style in the PAC conference
I would say Cal Bears need to get in to be part of the west.
Crazy that the big 12 is more interested in Arizona and Arizona St than cal and Stanford. That's how far those bay area titans have fallen.
The powers that be at Stanford and Cal would be absolutely disgusted by the idea of associating themselves with the BIG-12
They got what they wanted.
The conference realignments have ruined college football. The regional alignments through the 80s made the most sense.
I have no idea why people are hating on this. It’s awesome.
Great analysis BEFORE the new alignments.
This is a very detailed explanation. 👌
Watch, the Big 10 Championship Game will now be at the Rose Bowl or the Meadowlands in NJ!
Ask USC about Tulane
Tulane is a nobody, I’m not a USC fan but c’mon they got way more history and prestige.
@@luismoreno564 I mean Tulane has more SEC titles than 7 teams currently in the SEC.....
I'm going to push back on the premise that this is some kind of Titanic situation where universities are going to go under if they don't move conferences. Stanford, Cal, Oregon, Arizona etc universities are not in danger of bankruptcy. Arizona has $55m just in cash and $1.4B in revenue. Stanford could quit football entirely and the school will be here in 100 years. If they got $20m less for their broadcast rights, they wouldn't like it, but they would be nowhere near financial insolvency. The problem is how do you explain paying your assistant coaches $1m and flying them by private jets to see recruits if your athletic department isn't breaking even? There are players that don't understand why the football team needs a private jet to win one more game a year, assuming that other teams don't have their own private plane, when you can spend that money on cancer research. For the sake of argument, if you could get another $50m for your rights, what would you spend it on? You coaches would want a raise. Your administrators would want a raise. Your players would see that money coming in and want a part of that. Your boosters would want better private boxes. It's called inflation. More money comes into the system and you end up paying more for the same thing and you get nowhere.
Athletic $ is separate from the school admin $, or you wouldn't need boosters and big media deals.
@@coog9 Not really. Students all over the country pay $hundreds in student fees to support their athletic department. Some schools move athletic scholarship costs to other funds to make the athletic department look good. Some do the opposite. You need ticket money and media deals so that you can justify paying your OC a million dollars. Pretty hard to justify that if the athletic department is in the red. If you have to move money from other university accounts to cover a deficit in the athletic accounts, then things get ugly. You get pushback for raising fees, tuition, or telling your cancer researcher she doesn't get a raise this year. And you certainly don't want to tell the legislature that the AD isn't exercising fiscal control.
@cowbells - You can make all the rationalizations you want, athletics success has a direct effect on the number of students and the quality of students.
Also, the students that pay fees to the athletic department are likely at the underfunded schools. The big schools are subsidizing other programs because of the football and to some extent basketball revenue.
Thank-you, your explanation GREAT !! I had asked Coach Pat Jones ( U of Ark. & Eric Gee ) on their Show on WWLS Tulsa The Sports Animal 11-am - 2pm ( 97.1 / 98.1) I had about Mr. Knight and possible Business partners start a television Channel for the Pac -12 like the Longhorn Network / SEC Network Thank-you again for such a informative video.
As a Oregon fan. And Pac12 fan in general. Its a shame what Larry did. I wish the Pac had competent people in charge. At the same time, a part of me me is exited for Oregon and Washington headed to a bigger conference and get more eyes on them.
Joel,
Did revenue equity in the Pac12 give Oregon a leg up? Washington State, Stanford?
Where will Cal end up?
Where will Oregon State fit in?
Oregon St & Washington St to Big 12 . Stanford & Cal Berkeley can FO
Value added?
No and no thanks.
Better chance in the mountain west.
What about cal and standferd do you think they will come to the BIG 10 JOUL
Yes, more local travel options for SC,UCLA,UW, Oregon
No
No
Valhalla awaits for the Pac12!
Let the Viking funeral commence 🔥
Great summary
Should just let corporations start sponsoring teams with no collegiate affiliates whatsoever.
What if UNC and Duke join Big 12.
Why???
Big 12 might breakaway in basketball or threaten NCAA and force NCAA tournament money based on performance.
It would totally change landscape of college sports. NCAA tournament is most valuable asset in college sports. Next NCAA contract is estimated to be in 2 - 2.5 billion annually.
Cal and Stanford are going to the B1G because of academics. Oregon State and Washington State are joining the revamped Mountain West (Pac-West) Conference because of necessity.
Thank you, Joel
Would the ACC look to expand West with the remaining PAC-12 teams? Seems like Notre Dame would finally try to be an addition to a conference, and negotiate a little higher percentage of the revenue.
The only way the Pac 12 survives is if they quickly add Fresno State, San Jose State, San Diego, San Diego State, Nevada, Nevada-Las Vegas, Boise State, Hawaii, and Gonzaga.
This will make the Pac 12 a second tier conference, but at least it will still be around.
I've been saying all along why would ESPN pay more for the same teams that are in the ACC to go to the SEC or BIG? If someone would let me in on that I am all ears? ESPN is bleeding money like a stuck hog, Disney is losing money, and they are looking to shed entities to reduce costs. ESPN has announced that they are looking for 'strategic partners" i.e.. bail our rear ends out. Ain't gonna happen in the near future. Will the ACC survive long term? It may if revenues increase. ESPN's business model is shedding subscriptions to streaming services and they are in a world of hurt. It's like the fans and schools of the ACC teams wanting to leave the ACC have no business acumen. Ain't but so much money out there unless you are the government. They just print more.
Yes, but this is about these conferences having leverage with all the most marketable teams. So, if the B1G or SEC can poach all the teams that really matter for media fan engagement, then they can get more money with their deals. That's what happened with the B1G when they added UCLA and USC. They increased their values because now they have a bigger fan base and control the LA market. So what happens is the lesser schools lose when they are no longer affiliated with the big-name schools. The money has shifted. That's what is happening to the PAC12 right now.
@@scratchpenny ESPN pays the SEC in addition to the ACC. ESPN would have to agree for Clemson or whomever from the ACC to leave to go to the SEC. The current GOR makes that more difficult. ESPN would have to pay more money for those same teams that were in the ACC to go wherever. If that is in ESPN's best interest they would agree to it if they could discount the remaining teams in the ACC. You talk about leverage. I'm talking about who's paying the bill for that leverage.
I pray that my Cal, along with Stanford, gets accepted into BIG10
Prayer is good.
Sometimes the answer is no.
Can't see the Mountain West lowering their academic standards to let in those lowly PAC schools.
If the BIG10 gets Oregon and Washington, the the SEC will have to expand to keep up
keep up with what?? the sec is perched in the most fertile part of the country for recruiting football..
@@lillamb2212 - It's not all about recruiting.
Totally backwards. The reason all these moves are taking place is because everyone's trying to keep up with the SEC.
@@TechnicallyDividends well, by adding Oregon Washington USC and UCLA, I think the BIG10 has officially taken the lead
@@DarthPicarat in terms of pure quantity of teams, yes. But that's secondary. The SEC could add 4 more teams at the drop of a hat. SEC still has a huge relevance advantage after adding UT and OU. No other conference is close atm, and that takes years and years to fix.
Northwestern, Rutgers and Maryland are premium?
Don't forget Illinois and Indiana lol
By association
Yes it was last and current commissioners fault, did nothing when they had time and opportunities to right the wrong, the schools who were focused on academics > CFB landscape evolution were also at fault by being shortsighted and hiring people who couldn’t propel the conf forward
Love Klatt and he's not exactly wrong when he goes through who all deserves some of the blame but let's be honest, the chief parties to blame are Fox and ESPN. They created this environment, take the responsibility.
Business is good for E&F; that’s what they are responsible for.
Disney is looking to sell espn because it's become insolvent so what's going to happen to the ACC and SEC deals. I see even more craziness coming.
The smart, arrogant schools made a bunch of dumb, arrogant moves. At this point they should take in most of the Mountain West and SMU, and market themselves as THE west coast league. …or Stanford and Cal can ask for an invite to the IVY league.
Ivy
This guy is the best at what he does, in my opinion.
Isn't it Ironic that the most liberal and anti-capitalist conference broke up because of......money. lol
“Anti-capitalist conference” is certainly a phrase one could use 😂😂😂
Lol
Big daddy klatty baby!!
Do you think Cal and Stanford will follow the other 4 to the Big Ten?
FSU and Clemson to the SEC
Utah, Oregon, Washington to the BIG10
No, the B1G doesn't want Utah. It will be Oregon, Washington, FSU and Notre Dame.
@@Al-RudigorND won't play in a conference with Michigan
It’s becoming essentially 2 conferences and a bunch of extras. Acc and big 12 need to combine to make a strong third
I look at change like this....there's the "change" that is imperative for the betterment of one's health, family status, or personal fulfillment such as religious choice. Then, there's the type of " change" that one could do with, or without as it only serves as a form of hobby, outlet, or entertainment. The 2nd example is ( unfortunately) where I stand with today's college football. Since about the age of 8, fall Saturday's was a joyful day of cartoons, Keith Jackson,& College Football. With the constant change in college athletics such as N.I.L., the Portal,& now...MASSIVE realignment, I've come to a point of the resignation of my emotional investment in sports( in general) . It has become something that I can do without as I choose not to embrace the "change" that ensues. I won't go so far as to say it's impending doom! It's just not for me.
What happens to Stanford and Cal after all this?
They would have to eliminate most non-conference games to make up the new schools in the conference. Either that or add more than 12 games.
Pac12 needs to go get Hawaii, Boise st, byu, and San Diego st
Byu is in the big12
Why would BSU and SDSU go to a conference that shunned them for literally 20 years.....
Pay 💰 to join a conference with no reliable income?
My ultimate fear is that the Alabama Georgia Texas Notre Dame Ohio State type programs break off to just form their own 20 team super conference.
You forgot the Green Bay Packers
@@johnnyblue1101or the Indianapolis Colts!
Texas and ou in the Pac 12 would have been the move. Texas vs usc, ucla, Oregon etc would have been money generating games.
Does this force Notre Dame to join the Big TEN ?
No
No, they have a national brand like almost no one else. But if the ACC gets in trouble, they might need to consider it.
Pac-12 boasting about a 9 conference game schedule while not realizing it was just wearing out their programs. A cupcake late in the season is basically a bye week.
Big 12 plays 9 conference games.
BIG adds 6. Oregon and Washington from PAC. FSU, Clemson, Virginia and UNC.
Ucla, usc, and George were big reasons the conference failed. What you said was true though.
Utah has a very low National draw, it pales in the face of BYU and its National & International fan Base!
😢
BY-Who? 😂
It's not fanbase that matters anymore. This is not the BCS. It's TV viewership so networks can sell ads to make money. Hence the push to consolidate large viewership markets like LA into larger media markets like the B1G. That's why the B1G is looking to gobble up Seattle (UW) and Portland (Oregon). Ultimately will grab Stanford and Cal for San Francisco.
Truth is Utah got higher viewership on average than BYU last year. That's what the networks will care about. The network only cares that your fans show up to the game or watch on TV. They don't care about how many could watch. They care about who does.
Utah would be the top football program in the Big 12. Lol good luck when they join tomorrow.
@@Ben-eh1qt😂😂 not gonna happen bud
@@jamesstone9213 Utah's composite recruiting ranking for 2023 was 23rd. The only one higher in the Big12 is future member CO at 21st. TCU is ranked 26th. Next highest is Texas Tech and Bayolr at 36th and 37th. Utah would most likely be a top program in the Big12 upon entry. There's no guarantee but most likely they would find success.
I didn't count Texas and Oklahoma as they'll be in the SEC in 2024. Though they do rank higher than Utah in recruiting.
Same thing happening in the MW with Boise st getting a larger share of the revenue, why it’s not like they winning the conference every year .
Ok well two things....
1. BSU still has the most MWC titles of any team currently in the MWC.
2. Boise State gets a larger share of revenue..... by $2 million, or at least they used to until 2019 when the MWC in the middle of their TV contract tried to steal it away from them (which is why BSU has been suing the MWC for 4 years now).
And a few more things....
3. BSU is trying to grow the program, but the MWC is steadfast in remaining a local brand, which limits their ability to grow, which is also why they have been trying to get out of the conference really ever since they joined.
4. It should also be noted that the only reason BSU got the revenue in the first place wasnt even because they dominated the MWC, but because they were going to join the Big East in 2012, but the MWC agreed to give them the larger share.
@@MattLindon-wv8jy Then they should leave to the PAC now cause no other conference wants them , good bye good riddance
@@luismoreno564 You do realize 4 other teams in the MWC have some pretty alarming problems with the MWC?
Including Fresno State, SDSU, San Jose State and Air Force......