Hey it’s been a while since we had one of these long talks about an update. Sorry about the audio on these 2 parts! 11:19 - Using 6 windows with Virtual Desktop 11:46 - Virtual Desktop’s Keyboard Passthrough is Unique How are you feeling about the Windows Remote Desktop functionality? I’ve been deathly Ill, I used one of those nasal irrigation things just to get this video out. I’ll be back to 100% soon! As always thanks for watching
There's way more going on compared to the old Remote Desktop app. It was incredibly laggy, and nowhere near as clear. The Mixed Reality Link stuff blows everything out of the water when it comes to latency, even Virtual Desktop. VD is still brilliant for the other things ofc, but latency? No contest, Microsoft/Meta really made some magic in regards to that. It really does feel like an actual monitor, and I never got that feeling from anything else.
@Cimlite I can see that Mixed Reality link optimizes the connection for sure. However I’m using a dedicated router (WiFi 6e) with virtual desktop so my bitrate and latency are top notch. I would even argue it’s sharper than Mixed Reality Link. And with the ability to pass peripherals through to the desktop it beats MRL hands down.. But to be fair you shouldn’t have to do a lot of extra stuff for the best experience so once input to the windows is added this will be the best way. This is why I say “not yet” thanks for spending some time to comment! .
Virtual Desktop will always be the best solution for everything related to Windows as well as PCVR. The features that comes with it, makes the experience unique. And personally, I would never change. Great video!
As a new Quest 3 user, I was literally asking myself the differences between that windows 11 update, Virtual Desktop and Fluid. You hit all of them in this one. Thanks!
I don't see why this isn't more popular and widely used? Is text hard to read or is getting motion sickness or dizziness a problem after long term use? What do you think is the reason why this hasn't really caught on yet?
@@emwave100 motion sickness isn’t a problem with this. I think headset comfort holds back working in VR mostly. The tech is really cool , especially the apps with social /work meeting functionality
To me I rather prefer PCVR for serious working. Having no worry for headset battery and native directly from desktop pc with no compression. I can't take Quest 2 seriously other than short season of gaming
Definitely more than sharp and comfortable enough to work on. Spent my entire shift last Friday inside my Quest, and I'll be doing so both tomorrow and this coming Friday
I think the portability you mention is important. On the Vision Pro, the ability to have a mouse and keyboard tied to the VP also work with any Mac I Virtual Mac Display is brilliant. Then being able to have VP apps working around me. The Quest 3 I have was always clunky. That being said, it still get lots of use, just not for productivity.
Yep totally understood I feel the same way. Connecting the keyboard and mouse to the Quest itself is the only way this makes sense. So there's two problems, the m&kb connectivity and needing a router in between. This solution is a nice to have but seems like Meta did their best to get it going with what they had at the time.
i’ve been using a side loaded parsec because it’s the only app that i can just use hand tracking to control my pc. weird how it seems like meta just doesn’t want to do that
First comment since seeing you on Bo's podcast! This looks sweet! I've never seen it like this before, I'm not a Meta/Facebook fan so I really wrote off any quests except for the first which I believe doesn't need a fb login, I just don't trust em! They f*cked up big time in Canada and I just don't trust em, but this is f*cking sweet. Now are you able to use it without a fb account? Did things change in the past few years? this is honestly my first time seeing the Quest doing AR and all this sh*t. Seriously this is awesome for my photo editing and video editing. Man, load this up on a handheld pc with a huge battery bank and do your work wherever the F you are lol! I can totally see myself using something like this when visiting my mom's and staying over, like tomorrow! lol I think your audio cut out. 11:16 I was gonna ask does it have a wider view, it's sweet!
Hey, thanks for stopping in! You have to have a “meta” account so you’re not required to have facebook but you do need an account. Lots of the features are connected to their services I’m afraid. Yeah I’m bummed about the audio glitch I think my audio tracks were off, I’m not going to re-upload I’ll try to add some text to explain. The wide view you saw there was a different recording method. Recording in the headset is a bit cramped but to you the user it looks fine!
I wouldn't even bother trying to use a normal mouse in immersive mode with this if you have the option. I use one of the logi thumb-trackball mice that maintains a static relative position from the keyboard, much easier to find and use blind
@TheConstruct_VR regarding that picture of the "floating connection button over the keyboard", know that there are ways to fully capture what the headset shows to you without having to involve a manual photo of the lense; look for adb debugging and then either the built-in screencap, or the nicer scrcpy tool.
Do the position of the virtual monitors get saved so that they're also positioned the same way when you reconnect the quest to the pc the next day for example? Will you need to re-add and reposition the monitors every time?
Virtual Desktop works with Mac, the Remote Desktop Meta app does too. But unfortunately just one display. Immersed works for Mac with multiple displays , it’s a bit more clunky, there’s a lot of other stuff going on in that app.
I wish it had an option to leave the native display on. It confused me when it first happened and when I realized what it was doing it seemed like a big disadvantage to me.
Right 💯. I understand it could get a little confusing having the laptop/pc as a fourth screen. Oddly enough you see the 4th display in the display settings.. so it seems it’s intentional. 🤷🏽♂️
Definitely the key missing feature. I was really surprised to find out you couldn't use it remotely and you're the first I've seen mention it. I don't have virtual desktop but I use chrome remote desktop with the meta browser to do this. Unfortunately, you can only view one monitor at a time with chrome remote desktop, but I can use it anywhere and within other meta apps.
@@kurtzFPV yep Chrome Remote Desktop is super useful. Here’s 20% off virtual desktop if you were considering it (no funny stuff just an affiliate link) www.meta.com/affiliates/LbZWnH8Fb
Very authentic content, some parts dragged a bit but you nailed all my questions (love the inclusion of Fluid). Subbing as I think you’re channel is going places
Thanks and welcome! Also I’m totally not offended by you using the chapters or fast forwarding. These 20 min videos can drag when I’m trying to think of everything. Cheers! 🤝
Totally agree! Would love to have true remote connection with Bluetooth keyboard and mouse connected to quest . Once that happens this becomes way more beneficial for me
@@GettingThingsDun 100% bro. Connection straight from the OS is fire. All I need is this. I’ll wait for the next hardware to remove the need for a router
I wish steam link had the same thing with multiple monitors. I'd use virtual desktop on it but I don't think they have a steam os version. Unless it's been updated since I lasted looked.
It's an interesting development, but still needs work. I found I was trying to move things with my hands or controllers on the desktop, then realised I had to use my mouse and keyboard and visaversa with my mouse etc. 😅 I've tried Virtual Desktop, but as I don't have my pc connected directly to my router (a must for VD), I couldn't use it. I've got fluid too (thanks to your channel), it too is coming along nicely and with the latest updates, the keyboard pass-through has improved to show more of your surrounding desktop. The ability to Bluetooth my keyboard and mouse gave the mixed experience I was looking for that the Windows link software was missing, maybe this is something they'll add later? Just what my use case would be I'm not sure? Having to rely on a router is a bit limiting as you pointed out, but as things develop, things will improve but I welcome the addition.
Yes I’m hoping they’ll add it later, this is a “preview” so I’m sure it’s on the roadmap. Fluid is just so quick.. (if you only need light entertainment/productivity)
On one hand, I appreciate the effort. On the other, I regard Windows as the dumpster fire of operating systems. It has so many problems, so many rough edges. It does not deserve to be where it now stands. And the only reason I still run it is because game developers still insist on targeting it for their releases. I'll be glad when we all can finally put that garbage in the rear view mirror.
@TheConstruct_VR i'm pretty sure that windows 10 has the requirements of that too, but Microsoft made it only for windows 11 to attract more people to update their windows.
WMR headsets died to bring you this. Zuck getting away with mapping people's houses and now watching your PC screens as well. No way I would ever have that invasion of my privacy in my house.
Wdym? Lmao you act like every camera is spying on you that's called fear mongering and if thats the case you wouldnt even think about getting a vr headset let alone coming into the comments like this and acting like your important 😂
@Space97. Huh? Everything he said is true. All you offered is a word salad, and ad hominem. Regardless, I still use it. I just simply don't open anything that I don't want meta to see.
I don't know you, hopefully I'm wrong, but your eyes look strained from using that close-sight device. Intuitively that technology defeats natural distant eyesight. I could be wrong.
Thanks so much for caring. But I get eye fatigue from SO many other things. I’m a software engineer by day sleep deprivation etc… So VR/MR is the least of my worries. But actually focus distance isn’t really an issue, this is stereoscopic (each eye is at a slightly different angle ) just like your eyes. It’s not like placing an iPad directly up to your eyes. Your eyes are still able to focus on near and far things. Hope that helps.
@@TheConstruct_VR I've distro hopped so much that I developed strong preferences. Modicia meets all those demands of mine for my dumpster computers. I can't wait to build a real computer to use with it. Seriously theres even an app to make video from audio. How does that even work?
I was wondering why the connect button wouldnt show up, I use a split keyboard. I thought it would track the monitor and place the button below that. I wish I could use vr controllers to interact with the desktop, the Logitech MX Ink stylus desperately needs more support
Hey it’s been a while since we had one of these long talks about an update. Sorry about the audio on these 2 parts!
11:19 - Using 6 windows with Virtual Desktop
11:46 - Virtual Desktop’s Keyboard Passthrough is Unique
How are you feeling about the Windows Remote Desktop functionality? I’ve been deathly Ill, I used one of those nasal irrigation things just to get this video out. I’ll be back to 100% soon! As always thanks for watching
Merry Christmas! 🎄🎁
There's way more going on compared to the old Remote Desktop app. It was incredibly laggy, and nowhere near as clear. The Mixed Reality Link stuff blows everything out of the water when it comes to latency, even Virtual Desktop. VD is still brilliant for the other things ofc, but latency? No contest, Microsoft/Meta really made some magic in regards to that. It really does feel like an actual monitor, and I never got that feeling from anything else.
@Cimlite I can see that Mixed Reality link optimizes the connection for sure. However I’m using a dedicated router (WiFi 6e) with virtual desktop so my bitrate and latency are top notch. I would even argue it’s sharper than Mixed Reality Link. And with the ability to pass peripherals through to the desktop it beats MRL hands down..
But to be fair you shouldn’t have to do a lot of extra stuff for the best experience so once input to the windows is added this will be the best way. This is why I say “not yet” thanks for spending some time to comment! .
Virtual Desktop will always be the best solution for everything related to Windows as well as PCVR.
The features that comes with it, makes the experience unique.
And personally, I would never change. Great video!
@@krayzieridah it really is hard to beat! Thx for watching
As a new Quest 3 user, I was literally asking myself the differences between that windows 11 update, Virtual Desktop and Fluid. You hit all of them in this one. Thanks!
@@BigSQL happy to help. I find myself using Fluid the most. If you have a small Bluetooth keyboard with you and you’re good to go!
I don't see why this isn't more popular and widely used? Is text hard to read or is getting motion sickness or dizziness a problem after long term use? What do you think is the reason why this hasn't really caught on yet?
@@emwave100 motion sickness isn’t a problem with this. I think headset comfort holds back working in VR mostly. The tech is really cool , especially the apps with social /work meeting functionality
To me I rather prefer PCVR for serious working. Having no worry for headset battery and native directly from desktop pc with no compression.
I can't take Quest 2 seriously other than short season of gaming
Definitely more than sharp and comfortable enough to work on. Spent my entire shift last Friday inside my Quest, and I'll be doing so both tomorrow and this coming Friday
Thanks for the video! I didn't know about this feature
@@Nothing2412-x6u it’s pretty cool
www.meta.com/help/quest/articles/in-vr-experiences/oculus-features/mixed-reality-meta-quest/
Fluid just downloaded it, 🎉 thanks for the advice. I think meta needs to show case more useful apps like this
@@StevenCutcherSTCUTCHER 100% agree Fluid is super useful. Glad the vid helped!
It's still in the experimental section for a reason. 👍
@@DingleBerryschnapps yep can’t wait until it’s out of preview! Should be solid
I think the portability you mention is important. On the Vision Pro, the ability to have a mouse and keyboard tied to the VP also work with any Mac I Virtual Mac Display is brilliant. Then being able to have VP apps working around me. The Quest 3 I have was always clunky. That being said, it still get lots of use, just not for productivity.
Yep totally understood I feel the same way. Connecting the keyboard and mouse to the Quest itself is the only way this makes sense. So there's two problems, the m&kb connectivity and needing a router in between. This solution is a nice to have but seems like Meta did their best to get it going with what they had at the time.
i’ve been using a side loaded parsec because it’s the only app that i can just use hand tracking to control my pc. weird how it seems like meta just doesn’t want to do that
Does this have virtual keyboard capability and can your hands or controllers move the mouse cursor
@@JeremyGibbs-t7f it currently doesn’t let you interact with the windows from the quest. Virtual Desktop does
Fluid app is still king 🤴. All you need is your blue tooth keyboard and your meta quest headset. No nearly computer or monitor needed. Easy peasy.
First comment since seeing you on Bo's podcast!
This looks sweet! I've never seen it like this before, I'm not a Meta/Facebook fan so I really wrote off any quests except for the first which I believe doesn't need a fb login, I just don't trust em! They f*cked up big time in Canada and I just don't trust em, but this is f*cking sweet.
Now are you able to use it without a fb account? Did things change in the past few years? this is honestly my first time seeing the Quest doing AR and all this sh*t. Seriously this is awesome for my photo editing and video editing. Man, load this up on a handheld pc with a huge battery bank and do your work wherever the F you are lol! I can totally see myself using something like this when visiting my mom's and staying over, like tomorrow! lol
I think your audio cut out. 11:16
I was gonna ask does it have a wider view, it's sweet!
Hey, thanks for stopping in! You have to have a “meta” account so you’re not required to have facebook but you do need an account. Lots of the features are connected to their services I’m afraid. Yeah I’m bummed about the audio glitch I think my audio tracks were off, I’m not going to re-upload I’ll try to add some text to explain. The wide view you saw there was a different recording method. Recording in the headset is a bit cramped but to you the user it looks fine!
A brilliant demonstration Jason! Saving to watch again in the near future.
@@annode Barry! Thanks! I’m hoping I eat crow soon in an update in the future. This feature will be great once it’s polished out.
I wouldn't even bother trying to use a normal mouse in immersive mode with this if you have the option. I use one of the logi thumb-trackball mice that maintains a static relative position from the keyboard, much easier to find and use blind
@@epiccartman5579 great idea!
@TheConstruct_VR regarding that picture of the "floating connection button over the keyboard", know that there are ways to fully capture what the headset shows to you without having to involve a manual photo of the lense; look for adb debugging and then either the built-in screencap, or the nicer scrcpy tool.
Thanks for the tips! I was using The developer hub to record and it still didn’t capture it. I’ll see how scrcpy tool works outn
Do the position of the virtual monitors get saved so that they're also positioned the same way when you reconnect the quest to the pc the next day for example? Will you need to re-add and reposition the monitors every time?
What's the best way to accomplish something like this for Mac?
Virtual Desktop works with Mac, the Remote Desktop Meta app does too. But unfortunately just one display. Immersed works for Mac with multiple displays , it’s a bit more clunky, there’s a lot of other stuff going on in that app.
Are you using that Mac mini for pcvr?
@@BrianMoon-u9t not for PC VR gaming but I use it for productivity, virtual desktop works with Mac (only one screen)
I wish it had an option to leave the native display on. It confused me when it first happened and when I realized what it was doing it seemed like a big disadvantage to me.
Right 💯. I understand it could get a little confusing having the laptop/pc as a fourth screen. Oddly enough you see the 4th display in the display settings.. so it seems it’s intentional. 🤷🏽♂️
Definitely the key missing feature. I was really surprised to find out you couldn't use it remotely and you're the first I've seen mention it. I don't have virtual desktop but I use chrome remote desktop with the meta browser to do this. Unfortunately, you can only view one monitor at a time with chrome remote desktop, but I can use it anywhere and within other meta apps.
@@kurtzFPV yep Chrome Remote Desktop is super useful. Here’s 20% off virtual desktop if you were considering it (no funny stuff just an affiliate link)
www.meta.com/affiliates/LbZWnH8Fb
@TheConstruct_VR Appreciate it! Happy holidays to you and your family.
@ same to you!
Thanks for the informative video Merry Christmas
Merry Christmas!
Very authentic content, some parts dragged a bit but you nailed all my questions (love the inclusion of Fluid). Subbing as I think you’re channel is going places
Thanks and welcome! Also I’m totally not offended by you using the chapters or fast forwarding. These 20 min videos can drag when I’m trying to think of everything. Cheers! 🤝
@@TheConstruct_VR Please keep doing things as you have. Very informative stuff, appreciate your coverage!
@@mikobegaming will do 🫡 Thx!
Totally agree! Would love to have true remote connection with Bluetooth keyboard and mouse connected to quest . Once that happens this becomes way more beneficial for me
@@GettingThingsDun 100% bro. Connection straight from the OS is fire. All I need is this.
I’ll wait for the next hardware to remove the need for a router
I wish steam link had the same thing with multiple monitors. I'd use virtual desktop on it but I don't think they have a steam os version. Unless it's been updated since I lasted looked.
The mixed reality link is greyed out, so it's not available to download.....
@@JohnEdwardBerry what version of windows are you on. It has to be at lease 22H2 release version. That could be it
No PC ? use fluid,
thank me later...
It's an interesting development, but still needs work. I found I was trying to move things with my hands or controllers on the desktop, then realised I had to use my mouse and keyboard and visaversa with my mouse etc. 😅
I've tried Virtual Desktop, but as I don't have my pc connected directly to my router (a must for VD), I couldn't use it.
I've got fluid too (thanks to your channel), it too is coming along nicely and with the latest updates, the keyboard pass-through has improved to show more of your surrounding desktop. The ability to Bluetooth my keyboard and mouse gave the mixed experience I was looking for that the Windows link software was missing, maybe this is something they'll add later?
Just what my use case would be I'm not sure?
Having to rely on a router is a bit limiting as you pointed out, but as things develop, things will improve but I welcome the addition.
Yes I’m hoping they’ll add it later, this is a “preview” so I’m sure it’s on the roadmap. Fluid is just so quick.. (if you only need light entertainment/productivity)
On one hand, I appreciate the effort. On the other, I regard Windows as the dumpster fire of operating systems. It has so many problems, so many rough edges.
It does not deserve to be where it now stands. And the only reason I still run it is because game developers still insist on targeting it for their releases.
I'll be glad when we all can finally put that garbage in the rear view mirror.
Does this work on Windows 10 too?
Unfortunately no. Here are the requirements
support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/about-windows-mixed-reality-link-4155d287-182d-4003-b189-b42a4e357fc5
@TheConstruct_VR i'm pretty sure that windows 10 has the requirements of that too, but Microsoft made it only for windows 11 to attract more people to update their windows.
@ I wouldn’t be surprised!
WMR headsets died to bring you this. Zuck getting away with mapping people's houses and now watching your PC screens as well. No way I would ever have that invasion of my privacy in my house.
Wdym? Lmao you act like every camera is spying on you that's called fear mongering and if thats the case you wouldnt even think about getting a vr headset let alone coming into the comments like this and acting like your important 😂
@Space97. Huh?
Everything he said is true. All you offered is a word salad, and ad hominem.
Regardless, I still use it. I just simply don't open anything that I don't want meta to see.
If privacy is really your concern, get out of internet and cancel your network provider subscription!
I don't know you, hopefully I'm wrong, but your eyes look strained from using that close-sight device. Intuitively that technology defeats natural distant eyesight. I could be wrong.
Thanks so much for caring. But I get eye fatigue from SO many other things. I’m a software engineer by day sleep deprivation etc…
So VR/MR is the least of my worries. But actually focus distance isn’t really an issue, this is stereoscopic (each eye is at a slightly different angle ) just like your eyes. It’s not like placing an iPad directly up to your eyes. Your eyes are still able to focus on near and far things. Hope that helps.
Why not just run Windows 11 natively on the Quest???
Maybe on the next hardware? 🤞🏽
Cool system, but Windows 11 is pure trash. Impress me with Modicia OS Pro. Windows is limiting your abilities completely.
I’m pretty much OS agnostic at this point. I go where the software I want to use is. But a good Linux OS is always appreciated.
@@TheConstruct_VR I've distro hopped so much that I developed strong preferences. Modicia meets all those demands of mine for my dumpster computers. I can't wait to build a real computer to use with it. Seriously theres even an app to make video from audio. How does that even work?
I was wondering why the connect button wouldnt show up, I use a split keyboard. I thought it would track the monitor and place the button below that. I wish I could use vr controllers to interact with the desktop, the Logitech MX Ink stylus desperately needs more support
Yes they HAVE to get usage to the windows in headset to work. Otherwise this will sit on the shelf for many users.