Hmm I seem to wait for a tank more than a healer in season 4, will that change in TWW? I'm not pushing super high keys though, is there a lack of healers or tanks more up there?
its amazing how every priest utility got nerfed without any compensation buffs, priest has 0 cc 0 dispels (other than magic, diseases that are nonexistent next season) 0 interrups and 0 disruptions, theres no reason to bring a priest healer
@@xe2014 oh cmon you know what he was saying hahah. And yeah, priests have fear but you cant really use it whenever you want (like most other forms of cc) One mob starts running to the wrong side and is gg to the run.
No it is practically nothing. Fear and chastise only work on maybe 60% of mobs and 0 bosses. Fear means we have to be melee range AND it has to get broken by damage or something will inevitably ninja pull. Our utility is just the worst of any healer and it's especially bad when shadow is strong. I hit 3.3k in the first few weeks as holy and haven't been invited to a single +16 because there was a shadow priest in the group and people would rather wait for a resto druid.
You can make them stay in place instead of flee, also when we are talking about aoe stop/cc it applies to all other classes too, not all mobs get stun or disoriented or.. So same condition. also you're not only caster that needs to be in melee for some cc/dps/heal to work. Now to point, yes they should do something to keep every healer available and viewable to be picked up, in the end one healer will be the very top 1% meta, yet priest should have a chance and right now it's not like it. I agree on that part.
What if disc had ‘lightbomb’ an aoe stun for 3 seconds… what if disc could shield enemies and accumulate damage and explode? What if we had a lightspawn elemental pet that could use our melee fear for us???! #reworkdisc
this is what im worried about when looking at the dungeon testing, it looks awful for healers, runnin' out of dispels and mana. and that is with groups who presses their defensive so puggin gonna be total.. ugh.
My long drawn out OH NO! Few seconds into the Intro healing will be brutal in S1 of TWW, made me scream inside. I have all my healers ready level as soon as TWW is launched! Wish me luck! Thank you for this video Jak!
In short from a dps perspective everyone who can be a dwarf should be a dwarf, and classes with curse dispels are really helpful. The hunter self cleanse of poisons and diseases is really good too.
@@DRivi93 they got a cheap enchanting consumable in war within that you can use infinitely that gives you the appearance of any horde or alliance race you choose, so you can be a dwarf and still look like whatever you want
Sad that you need to be jobless or to work from home to get into that kind of guilds, friend of mine is in a top French guild, they will raid 7 days a week, like what the fuck 😂
I'm so excited for this expansion. Dragonflight was my first expansion where I actually gave Mythic + a try and it was also the first expansion I've ever played a healer and your videos helped me so much. Looking forward to the new challenges that the War Within will provide!
@@strugl3snugle245 Struggle doesn't equal fun, look at the popularity of dungeon in Dragonflight during seasons, Dragonflight dungeons designed on struggle and M+ esports are at the bottom while all dungeons for other expansions (specially Freehold who had overwhelming popularity) were the favourites of the playerbase. If Blizzard didn't catch the message that's on them.
My main is going to be either an Hpala or an Rshaman. Hpala has been my favorite healer since BFA, but I never really enjoyed Rshaman. However, what I didn't enjoy about Rshaman has been addressed with the Totemic Hero talents, so it seems very appealing to me now. I just love Voidweaver's visuals, so I will play a Disc Priest as my third character.
Kinda reached my limit on disc by the end of Dragonflight; it just feels too demanding and punishing for uncoordinated M+ pugs. When people play well, it's really fun, but it's so hard to cover for the amount of accidents in pugs, so will be looking into more forgiving and reactive healers going forward
This is a season with Siege of Boralus. The second worst dungeon in the game after Shrine of the Storm. It's made to bend healers over the table because that's what everyone wanted /s. So much for slowing down the burstiness too good god. People going 100 to 20 and tanks getting absolutely chunked.
Sots is nowhere near the big 3 in how shit it is. You can't beat King's rest, Siege of Boralus and Theathre of Pain. Sots only had few annoying (but mostly skippable) trash mobs. Also despite being quite locked, it actually had a very cool pathing potential.
As a holy pally main i feel kinda optemistic about TWW, But after playing on beta i gotta say that shaman is so much fun its for sure gonna be my first alt in s1 unless there is a meta forming even before the season starts
That's exactly what I was looking for! Sooo motivated everytime I watch your vids. I can't decide between holy paladin or resto shaman. Guess I'll watch out for any other hotfixes and class tunning to see which will bring me more joy. Not like s4 holy paladin joy... bleah! :)) Thanks Jak for your hard work!
Resto Druid was always my favorite so it’s a bit sad to see how they’ve gutting things like flourish and adaptive swarm but didn’t fully make up for them. Monk has been my go to when Druid wasn’t doing well, but I might have to try shamen for the first time.
I feel like removing Swarm is nice, I'm just baffled how MW/Pres get good tier sets carried forward into their talents but Disc and RDruid get revamped around strong tier sets and then they dont get carried forward lmao
Same as you, priest is and always will be my main. I'll be going oracle holy priest in m+ and archon holy in raid. The oracle+GS are the only reliable externals holy has outside of trinkets like ward right now and these dungeons are looking like it'll be mandatoryyyy. I know they're in a tough spot but we are in DF S4 too lol. I'd do awful things for some more/better stops and some mobility. Other than that I have leveled a shaman (actually inspired from watching growls 0-hero series from shadowlands, idk he just made shaman look fun) so I'll probably try resto if I absolutely have to switch and I'm not given a choice by pugs or my m+ team, but I will be kicking and screaming to play holy priest no matter what
As always great video and very informative. It has been insightful in helping me decide what healer I will end up playing as my main come S1 since it isn't looking to great for HPriest. I am hoping for some changes so pres doesn't get drowned out by aug again since pres is a ton of fun.
I am a long time Holy Priest enjoyer that generally finishes the season somewhere around 3k io and I have to say, this is the first expansion in a long while I am actually thinking about benching the Priest. It feels like Priest has been left in the dirt compared to other healers this beta cycle. There has been so little communication from our dev and so few changes, it feels like over time. It seems like Priest has lost a lot of utility in recent years without terribly much being added back in other areas of our kit. Then you look at the cool and interesting things other healers are getting in TWW and I think onc can't help but wonder if the grass is greener on another spec. #PriestsDeserveBetter
Going for holypaly then. Its been on dust since S1 df but seems disc or holy priest will have too rough time. Also being plate clasd with good defensive kit would help. Even tho i push , i dont want to struggle too much. Kinda metaslaving now but no can do.
Ive mained my Holy Priest for 20 years and I won't be stopping. I'll figure it out for season 1. Not looking forward to Siege though admittingly. My goal each season is only a 2k rating anyways.
The first thing i said to myself after trying the dungeons is that curse dispels will be needed so maining anything other than sham or druid is out of the question at least for s1
Agree completely, and while there should still be a good amount of tunning to come I don't think it's too early to predict a few things, like the healer situation in dungeons based on utility and healing profiles.. This is pretty much what I've been saying, even if tunning is good Priests will struggle this season, we better pray Prot Paladin ends up being meta and once again a tank spec can cover for our lack of interrupts.
I dont understand why they keep adding so many mechanics to all dungeons. Why is it so bad to have 1-3 mechanics per fight instead of the 5+ for every fight we have these days? Do they think people will stop playing if there isn't enough challenging mechanics per dungeon? I actually think engagement across all difficulties would increase quite alot if they reduced the sheer amount of mechanics instead... maybe im in the minority though idk.
This. I'm too old to keep up with what's going on, so I stay for away from M+ lol would be cool to see them scaled like raids where the higher the key the more mechanics get added. For me it's too much personally 😂
Are the dungeons fun? I think we were lacking the fun factor in DF dungeons and hoping that changes.. 1-2 might have been fun at first but they began to wear on me sooner than prior expansions.
I really do hate to sound like a doomer, but imo, no, the TWW dungeons are not very fun. The one positive thing I can say about them is there's a lot of density, a lot of pulls with a high mob count even if you aren't pulling multiple packs together. Other than that, they are still very similar to DF dungeons in terms of just the amount of random shit that seemingly every mob does that has to be consistently stopped or you die. Bosses are alright across the board, and average dungeon length seems shorter. That said, we're scaled to a pretty low ilvl on the beta, so things probably feel harder than they actually will be in practice.
@@darthlizardo I did the same, I got 3k+ every season, and am sitting out season 4, none of the DF dungeons are fun in M+, TWW dungs looks worse, especially for healers and melee, good god :(
@@Hyperion602 that’s a shame. I miss fun dungeons like Lower Kara, Maw of Souls, Freehold but during BFA. I guess MoTS in shadowlands wasn’t terrible. At least that’s in the mix during S1. Some long dungeons but we’ve been lacking shorter ones like Maw of Souls.
The debate about "Will the shaman or paladin be the best for M+" is the same situation with Preservation being "Benched" because of aug. Elemental looks super strong. IF elem is a meta dps, paladin will prevail. If not, we may see a lot of shamans. I could be wrong tho !
I'm excited to play Hpally again most fun i had was in S2 in DF after that they butchered it to become one of the healers that i play less or no more during S3 and S4. Resto Shaman is another i look forward to with the rework of those tree's and i am going with MW Monk they look fantastic.
Hi Jak, i doubt you'll see this post let alone reply to it but here goes a 2 part question! (Any experienced healer can reply, too!) I mained RSham in Siege and the 1st tier of WOD then swapped to MW for WOD and Legion. Due to guild issues I swapped to tanking and have done so since BFA. My guild is strictly casual. We're older folks who play as time allows. No raids and I'm pondering getting back into healing to try pugging (Eventually some lower keys) at some point. Given the info above, for me as a casual, would you recommend RSham or HPal? I've played all heals except HPal, Disc and RDruid. and Evo. Disc and Druid don't interest me at all. I'm looking to ease back into healing so fun is a must (I know "fun" is subjective. Thanks for teaching my H Priest back in the day!
01:57 I just finished watching star trek voyager's EQUINOX episode. i go watch this video and I see the healing done warrior EQUINOXWAR ;) what a coincidence
Anyone else find a horrible catch 22 with wow? I like to tank, (quicker queues because I don’t play much so don’t want to sit and wait) but because I don’t play much I find it stressful to keep up with dungeon routes and tank mechanics etc. but DPS is literally 10 minute queues? Like how do people enjoy this game? I play so sporadically that I don’t see the point in joining a guild as I’m always alienated on the outside. End up just playing solo.
Nice to see Grim Batol is still as terrifying as it was on launch. lmao. That place was so hard for most pugs on HEROIC that they had to nerf it because people would load in and see the dungeon and just quit.
I didn't really try evoker earnestly until the end of season 3 and I think I'm going to switch from disc for now. Priest feels a little bad for it's talent trees and I don't like so much power into my squids.
@@Gumblethebear utility wise, paladin has it, cleans poison is useful. Spell ward is super, yet self heal and tankiness is problematic. After dk, paladin is second paper tank. Guardian has all known issues and they didn't help it yet
@@tinyshaman3050 I think paladins issue is the same issue all hybrid healers have right now, their heals are not scaled like Blizzard said they were going to in their most recent post..... with WoG back to normal strength, prot pally will feel better.
@@tinyshaman3050 To quote them "Most notably, we’re reducing the strength of percentage-based healing spells to keep them in-line with their intended power, and we’re increasing the effectiveness of hybrid healing and single target heals to ensure they remain an effective means of defensive power." They did the first part, but never got around to buffing any of the spells in the second. Things like Regrowth for dps druids, healing surge for shaman, WoG for pallies, etc.... all of these things should be significantly buffed to make them worth casting, because right now they aren't.
Tank balance looking decent right now. Blood dk and prot warrior are both very strong. VDH is still good. Druid is very tanky but does poor damage. Prot paladin needs wog to get at least a 100% bonus. I don’t monk, so I can’t comment there.
I'm quitting healing. Blizzard has no idea what to do with healers and it shows. Zero interest in spending 100% of the dungeon stressed trying to rotate CDs non stop. I've healed since original TBC, but no more. They've burned me out on it with their poor design.
Are there any problematic dungeons or bosses for Pres evokers based on their shorter range? That last boss in Stonevault looks like it could be pain for them. Thanks for the Video Jak.
With all respect to Jak! If you want a Hpal guide go and check out Ellesmeere. If you want a Rsham M+ oriented guide go and check out Laren. These 2 will always provide top notch info, it doesn’t gets better than that.
Thanks! I will plan on spriest per usual and then probably push heals/tank on my pally :) Not sure if I can be bothered to dust off my vanilla shaman and run her as resto as totems are NOT what they were during vanilla and I feel like it is a whole other spec.
Nobody at blizzard plays WoW at a high level. They have no understanding of how their game is played beyond +10s. This is why they always propose awful changes and it takes the top 0.1% to tell them what to change it to.
@@Rylos277 Dungeons are still full of mechanic bloat though. Every pack doesn't need a dozen required interrupts, stops and stuns to clear it safely, and it's a shame Blizz won't acknowledge that so they give each pack more mechanics than the bosses.
All healers should be able to interrupt. It's stupid that priest do not have one. Sounds like the insane toolkit of resto shaman will come out on top. Poison totem, incap totem, ranged interrupt, very Mana efficient. I hope blizzard fixes the tuning for resto druid & priest: they are still under tuned as of yesterday.
Wrong, you forgot that shaman was not anywhere near meta since bfa to today? Always promising before season starts them boom! Goes to never getting invite. Monk was on a bad condition but by df rework they saved it.
@@AmanitaMuscarias actually not only i was playing it, data says different. I guess you're talking based on your feelings. S1 and 2 paladin was meta. S3 and 4 holy priest and shaman together yet in very high keys priest was the choice. Shaman was popular in s3 and fated s4 but not meta. In s1 of df resto druid in 25+ keys was 28.3 percent and meta. Shaman was 26.
I'm so worried to pick the wrong healer for TWW, it's super frustrating. I'm only pugging m+ (around 3.1k rio score each season) and not playing the meta healer is super annoying as soon as you reach the +10 key level because people are mostly looking for the meta classes. Makes the pugging experience even worse if you play an off-meta healer. Dont have the time to simultaneously keep up an alt all the time...
about to watch this video but yeah man the dungeons look way too similar to dragonflight in terms of difficulty and the seasons in dragonflight thrived IN SPITE OF the dungeons, not because of them. The non-DF dungeons were usually the favorites for a majority of players (with some exceptions, like jade serpent was trash). I hope this time they appropriately nerf stuff BEFORE SEASON 4.
Me coming back to DF after a year in prep for TWW: "man I haven't played my disc priest in a while. Better get back in the swing of things for TWW." *Watches video* "Welp, guess I'm sticking to DPS because FFFFFFFFFFFFFF that." And ya ya ya, I know. "ohhh look. dps doesn't want to heal." I actually enjoyed healing in DF. But I play for fun, not to be the best. This just doesn't look fun lol. Feels like they heard all the people complaining that "healers have to do so much more than heal." and said, "bet." lol oh well.
Do you think resto druid needs more survivability? For some reason every beta mythic dungeon vid I watched with a resto druid, they just keep dying lol
Very informative. My Shama will be the goat. :D May I ask what addon / weakaura is playing in the top left? Seems to show your rotation. I may not use it but I have never seen that one before.
Maybe this is oversimplifying the issue, but isn't beta so brutal because you don't have the higher ilvls of gear that you normally would have on this higher level of content? Jak is doing 10s and above with gear that isn't meant to sustain you that high, right?
Is it a little hard to tell with resto Druid having 8% haste in dungeons on beta? When a little geared should have 25% haste at least, then scaling best with stats may feel and push out put way higher
Blizzard lowers healing and buffs health pools so they don't have to do bursty damage... But you can watch every clip everyone is just getting bursted for half their health lol
Aren't they heavily scaled down in these dungeons? But yea, it looks like yet another season where it's not about having enough damage to do the dungeon but rather it's about surviving shit... or still managing to beat the timer with 30 deaths on the clock.
Looking forward to sitting in queue for 15 minutes waiting for a healer.
Hmm I seem to wait for a tank more than a healer in season 4, will that change in TWW? I'm not pushing super high keys though, is there a lack of healers or tanks more up there?
Looking forward to getting instant groups as a healer:3
Don’t worry bby I’ll be there for you ❤
Youll most likely be waiting for a tank. Ive seen so many healers going into TWW.
I'll be healing ya
its amazing how every priest utility got nerfed without any compensation buffs, priest has 0 cc 0 dispels (other than magic, diseases that are nonexistent next season) 0 interrups and 0 disruptions, theres no reason to bring a priest healer
Don´t forget zero communication after the initial starting bluepost and zero spec tree changes....
Fear/ chastise. It’s not 0, don’t lie to make your point better.
@@xe2014 oh cmon you know what he was saying hahah.
And yeah, priests have fear but you cant really use it whenever you want (like most other forms of cc) One mob starts running to the wrong side and is gg to the run.
No it is practically nothing. Fear and chastise only work on maybe 60% of mobs and 0 bosses. Fear means we have to be melee range AND it has to get broken by damage or something will inevitably ninja pull. Our utility is just the worst of any healer and it's especially bad when shadow is strong. I hit 3.3k in the first few weeks as holy and haven't been invited to a single +16 because there was a shadow priest in the group and people would rather wait for a resto druid.
You can make them stay in place instead of flee, also when we are talking about aoe stop/cc it applies to all other classes too, not all mobs get stun or disoriented or.. So same condition. also you're not only caster that needs to be in melee for some cc/dps/heal to work.
Now to point, yes they should do something to keep every healer available and viewable to be picked up, in the end one healer will be the very top 1% meta, yet priest should have a chance and right now it's not like it. I agree on that part.
Im glad i respected to dps. Good luck to us all on finding a healer for the group.
^typical Az/Rag.
Yeah cuz as a dps you’ll get insta key invites?😂😂😂
I’ll just play my favorite healer.
A blood DK.
People running 4dps in dungeons.
Blizzard: 'And i took that personally'
they should just force 1-3-1 already like they did for TGP, still don't get why they haven't yet
Rip my disc priest, looks like I am maining shammy
I feel ya bro :(
What if disc had ‘lightbomb’ an aoe stun for 3 seconds… what if disc could shield enemies and accumulate damage and explode? What if we had a lightspawn elemental pet that could use our melee fear for us???! #reworkdisc
Every class rises and falls throughout the years. Give it some time. You’re priest will be OP again
im a rduid main, but also play shaman, its sad becasue i wanna play my druid but if theyre that underpowred ima gegt fucked so i wont play it
this is what im worried about when looking at the dungeon testing, it looks awful for healers, runnin' out of dispels and mana. and that is with groups who presses their defensive so puggin gonna be total.. ugh.
My long drawn out OH NO! Few seconds into the Intro healing will be brutal in S1 of TWW, made me scream inside. I have all my healers ready level as soon as TWW is launched! Wish me luck! Thank you for this video Jak!
In short from a dps perspective everyone who can be a dwarf should be a dwarf, and classes with curse dispels are really helpful. The hunter self cleanse of poisons and diseases is really good too.
100%
Isn't hunter self cleanse restricted to survival and a pvp talent ? I might be outdated on this
@@Fortheweak13 in the class tree after the revamp
Why must they keep forcing dwarves upon us. 😑 I just wanna belf
@@DRivi93 they got a cheap enchanting consumable in war within that you can use infinitely that gives you the appearance of any horde or alliance race you choose, so you can be a dwarf and still look like whatever you want
I'll be on that sweet holy priest again. Joined a WR 300 Raid a month ago and they're awesome so far. Cant wait for the TWW Raids. :)
Sad that you need to be jobless or to work from home to get into that kind of guilds, friend of mine is in a top French guild, they will raid 7 days a week, like what the fuck 😂
I'm so excited for this expansion. Dragonflight was my first expansion where I actually gave Mythic + a try and it was also the first expansion I've ever played a healer and your videos helped me so much. Looking forward to the new challenges that the War Within will provide!
I miss when M+ looked fun instead of brutal
Brutal is fun. Play m0 you'll be okay lil guy!
@@strugl3snugle245 Struggle doesn't equal fun, look at the popularity of dungeon in Dragonflight during seasons, Dragonflight dungeons designed on struggle and M+ esports are at the bottom while all dungeons for other expansions (specially Freehold who had overwhelming popularity) were the favourites of the playerbase. If Blizzard didn't catch the message that's on them.
@@CsStokereh he thinks he is a good player. But I bet he says pvp is dumb cause he can’t do it.
All of them should be fun like you said
@@strugl3snugle245 u cant do over a +20 my friend, stop pretending u are good xD
@@strugl3snugle245 Dude never healed a m0. It is brutal.
now you gotta carry the tanks too...GG blizz, takes fun away from tanking and puts even more pressure on the healer
My main is going to be either an Hpala or an Rshaman. Hpala has been my favorite healer since BFA, but I never really enjoyed Rshaman. However, what I didn't enjoy about Rshaman has been addressed with the Totemic Hero talents, so it seems very appealing to me now. I just love Voidweaver's visuals, so I will play a Disc Priest as my third character.
I'm with you on totemic shaman, the QOL seems through the roof.
Kinda reached my limit on disc by the end of Dragonflight; it just feels too demanding and punishing for uncoordinated M+ pugs. When people play well, it's really fun, but it's so hard to cover for the amount of accidents in pugs, so will be looking into more forgiving and reactive healers going forward
THUMBNAIL ON POINT. Your editor needs a raise! 🧙♂😎
This is a season with Siege of Boralus. The second worst dungeon in the game after Shrine of the Storm. It's made to bend healers over the table because that's what everyone wanted /s. So much for slowing down the burstiness too good god. People going 100 to 20 and tanks getting absolutely chunked.
I still put uldaman on second after shrine, also king' rest was hard too. Also in matter of being annoying the other side was horrible.
@@Telados tol dagor worked for a couple patches.
All those dungeons may be hard, but they've cool. There is a lot of boring and non-innovative dungeons we should complain about instead.
Sots is nowhere near the big 3 in how shit it is.
You can't beat King's rest, Siege of Boralus and Theathre of Pain. Sots only had few annoying (but mostly skippable) trash mobs. Also despite being quite locked, it actually had a very cool pathing potential.
That's such a good picture of you in the thumbnail!!!
I scrolled way too far for this comment. Subscriptions incoming for the thumbnails only 🤞
This 1st season look brutal like DF S1. I like it, and i'm ready to heal it!!
Imagine, ur a healers in a s1 wwt, and u dont have any of b rez and kick.
I main Priest and this video genuinely made me depressed
As a holy pally main i feel kinda optemistic about TWW, But after playing on beta i gotta say that shaman is so much fun its for sure gonna be my first alt in s1 unless there is a meta forming even before the season starts
Going to be hard to gear a priest for raid if they aren't so good in M+
Shocked that while you talked about needing actual interrupts showing footage with 4 ranged classes (3 mages and a priest) 🤣
That's exactly what I was looking for! Sooo motivated everytime I watch your vids. I can't decide between holy paladin or resto shaman. Guess I'll watch out for any other hotfixes and class tunning to see which will bring me more joy. Not like s4 holy paladin joy... bleah! :)) Thanks Jak for your hard work!
Resto Druid was always my favorite so it’s a bit sad to see how they’ve gutting things like flourish and adaptive swarm but didn’t fully make up for them.
Monk has been my go to when Druid wasn’t doing well, but I might have to try shamen for the first time.
I feel like removing Swarm is nice, I'm just baffled how MW/Pres get good tier sets carried forward into their talents but Disc and RDruid get revamped around strong tier sets and then they dont get carried forward lmao
Same as you, priest is and always will be my main. I'll be going oracle holy priest in m+ and archon holy in raid. The oracle+GS are the only reliable externals holy has outside of trinkets like ward right now and these dungeons are looking like it'll be mandatoryyyy. I know they're in a tough spot but we are in DF S4 too lol. I'd do awful things for some more/better stops and some mobility. Other than that I have leveled a shaman (actually inspired from watching growls 0-hero series from shadowlands, idk he just made shaman look fun) so I'll probably try resto if I absolutely have to switch and I'm not given a choice by pugs or my m+ team, but I will be kicking and screaming to play holy priest no matter what
as a resto shaman from back in BC, who left mid Cata returning now to hear my main is a good choice makes me happy
Thanks a bunch as always, Jak! Watching your streams and guides like this are making me really excited to get back into WoW again. 💜
So glad to hear it! Thanks so much!
Thx Jak for the good work as allways. 😊
My pleasure!
Gearing up my Warrior and Paladin... coincidently. Ha!
As always great video and very informative. It has been insightful in helping me decide what healer I will end up playing as my main come S1 since it isn't looking to great for HPriest. I am hoping for some changes so pres doesn't get drowned out by aug again since pres is a ton of fun.
Great review
I am a long time Holy Priest enjoyer that generally finishes the season somewhere around 3k io and I have to say, this is the first expansion in a long while I am actually thinking about benching the Priest. It feels like Priest has been left in the dirt compared to other healers this beta cycle. There has been so little communication from our dev and so few changes, it feels like over time. It seems like Priest has lost a lot of utility in recent years without terribly much being added back in other areas of our kit. Then you look at the cool and interesting things other healers are getting in TWW and I think onc can't help but wonder if the grass is greener on another spec.
#PriestsDeserveBetter
In WoW, the grass often IS greener on another spec
Looks like I'll be coming back with my arcane mage! No more 32 button rotation.
Spot healing? Stops? So not playing Disc, got it. lol
Going for holypaly then. Its been on dust since S1 df but seems disc or holy priest will have too rough time. Also being plate clasd with good defensive kit would help. Even tho i push , i dont want to struggle too much. Kinda metaslaving now but no can do.
That video tag screen was amazing Jack!
Glad you liked it!
MAKE HEALING GREAT AGAIN!
Ive mained my Holy Priest for 20 years and I won't be stopping. I'll figure it out for season 1. Not looking forward to Siege though admittingly. My goal each season is only a 2k rating anyways.
I’m healing for the first time in the new expansion on a mistweaver monk. I’m gonna stick with it but holy hell this is intimidating
The first thing i said to myself after trying the dungeons is that curse dispels will be needed so maining anything other than sham or druid is out of the question at least for s1
i usually play holy priest, but mistweaver might be my main this season
Man, I just want to raid. Really burned out on m+, but have to do it for gear 😢
Agree completely, and while there should still be a good amount of tunning to come I don't think it's too early to predict a few things, like the healer situation in dungeons based on utility and healing profiles..
This is pretty much what I've been saying, even if tunning is good Priests will struggle this season, we better pray Prot Paladin ends up being meta and once again a tank spec can cover for our lack of interrupts.
resto sham for me. Been playing one for 10+ years and going to continue
I will absolutely stay true to holy priest as I have for all these years. If all else fails just muscle through the damage. 💪
I really hope this isn't another Legion moment for disc...
Thanks for the content and advice!
DANG! Thanks so much Sin, super generous. Happy to help!
I dont understand why they keep adding so many mechanics to all dungeons. Why is it so bad to have 1-3 mechanics per fight instead of the 5+ for every fight we have these days? Do they think people will stop playing if there isn't enough challenging mechanics per dungeon? I actually think engagement across all difficulties would increase quite alot if they reduced the sheer amount of mechanics instead... maybe im in the minority though idk.
This. I'm too old to keep up with what's going on, so I stay for away from M+ lol would be cool to see them scaled like raids where the higher the key the more mechanics get added. For me it's too much personally 😂
Are the dungeons fun? I think we were lacking the fun factor in DF dungeons and hoping that changes.. 1-2 might have been fun at first but they began to wear on me sooner than prior expansions.
I have guildmates who refused to play season 4 of Dragonflight because DF dungeons were not fun.
I really do hate to sound like a doomer, but imo, no, the TWW dungeons are not very fun. The one positive thing I can say about them is there's a lot of density, a lot of pulls with a high mob count even if you aren't pulling multiple packs together. Other than that, they are still very similar to DF dungeons in terms of just the amount of random shit that seemingly every mob does that has to be consistently stopped or you die. Bosses are alright across the board, and average dungeon length seems shorter.
That said, we're scaled to a pretty low ilvl on the beta, so things probably feel harder than they actually will be in practice.
@@darthlizardo I did the same, I got 3k+ every season, and am sitting out season 4, none of the DF dungeons are fun in M+, TWW dungs looks worse, especially for healers and melee, good god :(
@@Hyperion602 that’s a shame. I miss fun dungeons like Lower Kara, Maw of Souls, Freehold but during BFA. I guess MoTS in shadowlands wasn’t terrible. At least that’s in the mix during S1. Some long dungeons but we’ve been lacking shorter ones like Maw of Souls.
I miss dungeons that required CC and some strat as opposed to the zergfest that has been the last few xpacs.
dispel and stop meta is 100x less fun than big heal meta, pugs are gonna be brutal
The debate about "Will the shaman or paladin be the best for M+" is the same situation with Preservation being "Benched" because of aug. Elemental looks super strong. IF elem is a meta dps, paladin will prevail. If not, we may see a lot of shamans. I could be wrong tho !
All the spot healing makes it sound like fistweaving will be useless
Mistweavers you get un-enrage! Yay!
Also: We removed enraging affix
The one expac that I said I wanted to try and have my secondary main be a heals and I picked Disc because I loved it previously 😭
I'm excited to play Hpally again most fun i had was in S2 in DF after that they butchered it to become one of the healers that i play less or no more during S3 and S4. Resto Shaman is another i look forward to with the rework of those tree's and i am going with MW Monk they look fantastic.
Hi Jak, i doubt you'll see this post let alone reply to it but here goes a 2 part question! (Any experienced healer can reply, too!)
I mained RSham in Siege and the 1st tier of WOD then swapped to MW for WOD and Legion. Due to guild issues I swapped to tanking and have done so since BFA. My guild is strictly casual. We're older folks who play as time allows. No raids and I'm pondering getting back into healing to try pugging (Eventually some lower keys) at some point.
Given the info above, for me as a casual, would you recommend RSham or HPal? I've played all heals except HPal, Disc and RDruid. and Evo. Disc and Druid don't interest me at all. I'm looking to ease back into healing so fun is a must (I know "fun" is subjective. Thanks for teaching my H Priest back in the day!
RSham definitely my dude! Welcome back!
@@AutomaticJak Wow! You replied! Man, that's amazing. Thank you VERY much!
I’m gonna stand in the fire and make it even harder for them!
Great line up. RIP priest lol
Why does blizzard hate healers so much?!
01:57 I just finished watching star trek voyager's EQUINOX episode. i go watch this video and I see the healing done warrior EQUINOXWAR ;)
what a coincidence
Anyone else find a horrible catch 22 with wow? I like to tank, (quicker queues because I don’t play much so don’t want to sit and wait) but because I don’t play much I find it stressful to keep up with dungeon routes and tank mechanics etc. but DPS is literally 10 minute queues? Like how do people enjoy this game? I play so sporadically that I don’t see the point in joining a guild as I’m always alienated on the outside. End up just playing solo.
Nice to see Grim Batol is still as terrifying as it was on launch. lmao.
That place was so hard for most pugs on HEROIC that they had to nerf it because people would load in and see the dungeon and just quit.
Why are we getting so many old dungeons for a new expac? That seems lazy
Its not inherently bad but some revamped/returned dungeons can end up being bad. Just gives more variety over the course of the xpac
Long time dps in enjoying healing... its stressful but thats good
If yall were betting peeps, who do you think would be in the better position in M+ Rsham or Hpally! Thoughts on raid would be cool too!
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I am keen for this season. It gets so boring having minimal impact on a key as a healer
I didn't really try evoker earnestly until the end of season 3 and I think I'm going to switch from disc for now.
Priest feels a little bad for it's talent trees and I don't like so much power into my squids.
What a great time to be a healer
Im so hyped .. i love it when i ha e to pump heals .
I know its a long shot but fingers crossed that one of your toons is shaman 😅🤞🏿🙏🏿
Appreciate the tank balance mention..... I do not want to play VDH. Bear and Prot Pally for me
Hard time for prot paladin and guardian early season
@@tinyshaman3050 I think prot pally will perform better than expected, but maybe not up at the top. Bear needs work badly.
@@Gumblethebear utility wise, paladin has it, cleans poison is useful. Spell ward is super, yet self heal and tankiness is problematic. After dk, paladin is second paper tank. Guardian has all known issues and they didn't help it yet
@@tinyshaman3050 I think paladins issue is the same issue all hybrid healers have right now, their heals are not scaled like Blizzard said they were going to in their most recent post..... with WoG back to normal strength, prot pally will feel better.
@@tinyshaman3050 To quote them "Most notably, we’re reducing the strength of percentage-based healing spells to keep them in-line with their intended power, and we’re increasing the effectiveness of hybrid healing and single target heals to ensure they remain an effective means of defensive power."
They did the first part, but never got around to buffing any of the spells in the second. Things like Regrowth for dps druids, healing surge for shaman, WoG for pallies, etc.... all of these things should be significantly buffed to make them worth casting, because right now they aren't.
Tank balance looking decent right now. Blood dk and prot warrior are both very strong. VDH is still good. Druid is very tanky but does poor damage. Prot paladin needs wog to get at least a 100% bonus. I don’t monk, so I can’t comment there.
Yea I’d say it’s decent as well. The better tank balance is the better that everyone else’s balance is imo
I'm quitting healing. Blizzard has no idea what to do with healers and it shows. Zero interest in spending 100% of the dungeon stressed trying to rotate CDs non stop. I've healed since original TBC, but no more. They've burned me out on it with their poor design.
Same, I'm not even sure I'm going to buy tww at this point.
Are there any problematic dungeons or bosses for Pres evokers based on their shorter range?
That last boss in Stonevault looks like it could be pain for them.
Thanks for the Video Jak.
Maybe Stonevault, maybe Ara Kara first and last bosses. Definitely rough for pugs trying to keep everyone together
can we expect some guides for Resto Sham & Holy Pala? I'm gonna be playing those 2, and really find your guides helpful :)
check out theun for r shaman one of the top in the world
Possibly 👀
With all respect to Jak!
If you want a Hpal guide go and check out Ellesmeere.
If you want a Rsham M+ oriented guide go and check out Laren.
These 2 will always provide top notch info, it doesn’t gets better than that.
hey jack, quick question is mists still this clown maze fiesta with the door "guessing" game? good video keep up the good work :)
YUUUP
Looking forward to being denied from the first 15 M+ groups for being Preservation. Thanks guys.
Maining priest. Already prepairing to have a lot of pain😂
Blizzard is for sure trying to slowly massively change and possibly even phase out healing.
Thanks! I will plan on spriest per usual and then probably push heals/tank on my pally :) Not sure if I can be bothered to dust off my vanilla shaman and run her as resto as totems are NOT what they were during vanilla and I feel like it is a whole other spec.
Ye you’re totally right ! the spec should be excatly the same as it was 20 years ago anything else would be madness
Glad to see they learnt nothing from DF Dungeon design. Well done Blizzard.
Nobody at blizzard plays WoW at a high level. They have no understanding of how their game is played beyond +10s. This is why they always propose awful changes and it takes the top 0.1% to tell them what to change it to.
I think they did. They are all short, and the challenge isn't in the affixes anymore... supposedly
@@Rylos277 Dungeons are still full of mechanic bloat though. Every pack doesn't need a dozen required interrupts, stops and stuns to clear it safely, and it's a shame Blizz won't acknowledge that so they give each pack more mechanics than the bosses.
All healers should be able to interrupt. It's stupid that priest do not have one. Sounds like the insane toolkit of resto shaman will come out on top. Poison totem, incap totem, ranged interrupt, very Mana efficient. I hope blizzard fixes the tuning for resto druid & priest: they are still under tuned as of yesterday.
I'd be okay with all or none(though I do think sham should keep windshear regardless). But priest healers not having one feels bad
Wrong, you forgot that shaman was not anywhere near meta since bfa to today? Always promising before season starts them boom! Goes to never getting invite. Monk was on a bad condition but by df rework they saved it.
@@tinyshaman3050 , have you been afk? Resto shaman was meta key healer in 3 shadowlands seasons and season 1 of DF. Go look at some data.
@@AmanitaMuscarias actually not only i was playing it, data says different. I guess you're talking based on your feelings. S1 and 2 paladin was meta. S3 and 4 holy priest and shaman together yet in very high keys priest was the choice. Shaman was popular in s3 and fated s4 but not meta. In s1 of df resto druid in 25+ keys was 28.3 percent and meta. Shaman was 26.
@@tinyshaman3050yeah I’m with Tinyshaman on this one
wowie priest is DOA, especially disc if you need that spothealing huh
yeah, the lack of tank balance changes is very disappointing.
I'm so worried to pick the wrong healer for TWW, it's super frustrating. I'm only pugging m+ (around 3.1k rio score each season) and not playing the meta healer is super annoying as soon as you reach the +10 key level because people are mostly looking for the meta classes. Makes the pugging experience even worse if you play an off-meta healer. Dont have the time to simultaneously keep up an alt all the time...
about to watch this video but yeah man the dungeons look way too similar to dragonflight in terms of difficulty and the seasons in dragonflight thrived IN SPITE OF the dungeons, not because of them. The non-DF dungeons were usually the favorites for a majority of players (with some exceptions, like jade serpent was trash).
I hope this time they appropriately nerf stuff BEFORE SEASON 4.
Me coming back to DF after a year in prep for TWW: "man I haven't played my disc priest in a while. Better get back in the swing of things for TWW."
*Watches video*
"Welp, guess I'm sticking to DPS because FFFFFFFFFFFFFF that."
And ya ya ya, I know. "ohhh look. dps doesn't want to heal." I actually enjoyed healing in DF. But I play for fun, not to be the best. This just doesn't look fun lol. Feels like they heard all the people complaining that "healers have to do so much more than heal." and said, "bet." lol oh well.
Do you think resto druid needs more survivability? For some reason every beta mythic dungeon vid I watched with a resto druid, they just keep dying lol
Question for the important casts to stop. Does the flameshaper shape of flame hero talent cause those important casts to miss?
Main resto shaman for few years now
Very informative. My Shama will be the goat. :D May I ask what addon / weakaura is playing in the top left? Seems to show your rotation. I may not use it but I have never seen that one before.
It's details
It is streamers plugin of details, help viewer to see what he casted. A graph
Are the Darkmoon Deck trinkets looking worthwhile, or using their effects as an embellishment for other crafted gear?
good question! Gotta check on that
Maybe this is oversimplifying the issue, but isn't beta so brutal because you don't have the higher ilvls of gear that you normally would have on this higher level of content? Jak is doing 10s and above with gear that isn't meant to sustain you that high, right?
Is it a little hard to tell with resto Druid having 8% haste in dungeons on beta? When a little geared should have 25% haste at least, then scaling best with stats may feel and push out put way higher
I’m looking to play bear and mistweaver
Blizzard lowers healing and buffs health pools so they don't have to do bursty damage... But you can watch every clip everyone is just getting bursted for half their health lol
Aren't they heavily scaled down in these dungeons?
But yea, it looks like yet another season where it's not about having enough damage to do the dungeon but rather it's about surviving shit... or still managing to beat the timer with 30 deaths on the clock.
In the videio he is doing 10+ with limited gear, it my still be bad but we have to take the clips with a grain of salt
As someone who's never played priests before, can someone please explain to me wtf the deal is with priests not being given an interrupt?