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As a healer that has played everything but pala in DF, I mostly agree with the list. From a pure M+ 2.8-3k PoV I'd rank them as: 1) hPriest - Straight up easy and very low skill ceiling. Can struggle with AoE, but as long as your party arent full glass cannons its fine. Hardest part is having very little control over CC and interrupts. 2) Disc - Mechanically very easy in a 5-man setting imo, just Radiance and Atonement heal. Hardest part of Disc is avoidable dmg/spot healing as it'll severely cut into Atonement uptime and hurt your healing on the rest of the party. Knowing timers a little bit is useful, but unlike rDruid its like 2 GCD's to start ramping so you can play it reactively up to a point. 3) Shaman - Easy and mostly reactive healer like hPriest, but much higher skill ceiling with all the cooldowns and utility. Better balance of spothealing/AoE healing than hPrierst. If you're a good rShaman, I'd argue its the easiest healer cause of the impact you can have on mob control unlike priest. Great CD's , but not reliant on those windows either. 4) Monk - Very middle ground but also very versatile with a high skill ceiling. Can struggle with spothealing without Cocoon as Vivify feels like the most lackluster heal without Enveloping Mist and/or Chi harmony on the target. If rest of party is topped off, Ancient Healings is a great spotheal though. Will say that intuition is important for this healer, knowing when to rely on Ancient Teachings and when not to. Can go from easy vibes 5th dps to oh shit where are my CD's fairly quickly, but your toolkit is amazing. 5) Druid - Most important to know timings and constantly prepare for whats to come. Heaviest on the GCD usage by far. Used to struggle more than Monk in unexpected spothealing without clearcasts, but its gotten better in pre-patch. Mix in catweaving and you are literally playing 2 roles tracking hots/dots, timings, using CC. Once your hots are up though, you feel like a god. 6) Evoker - By far the hardest due to limited range and your healing output being very dependant on others' positioning. Also struggles somewhat like Disc where your Echo ramping can get needlesly ruined by a single person, leaving the rest of the party in higher danger. Verdant Embrace is the biggest spothealing trap ime, felt like a 20% of dying along with the person I was trying to save. In one of those rare coordinated groups, its prob equal difficulty to Monk. Would NOT recommend in pugs though, you'll just make your life miserable lol.
Maybe I am just bad, but i found prez by far the most challenging of any healer. Limited range+all of the targeted spells(orb,breath,blossom)+constant repositioning just makes healing EXTREMELY inconsistent. Not to mention complete lack of any sort of consistent rotation. The only healer that i didn’t even attempt to do more than weekly +10s in df. And somehow in raid its even worse. I like the spec a lot, its really fun and unique, but it reminds me of havoc a lot. Is it a fun spec i play every season? Hell yes. Am i ever going to do anything else aside from weeklies? Hell nah.
Good video. You need a version of this video where the tier rating is done when the healer is *only* healing bad PUGs, and never a pre-made/guild group.
I've pugged with all of these healers. Some of the footage is with people I've played with before but all my conclusions are based on pugging/uncoordinated teams
@@AutomaticJak Fair enough, but watching the video, it did all seem very coordinated/pre-made gameplay, and not PUG style gameplay. It's been my personal experience that the healing classes play a lot differently when you're constantly having to save people who are standing in the red, because they're just watching their DPS meters, etc. I would think the tier list would be somewhat different, based on what circumstance healing is being done in. But at the end of the day, reactive healing is easier than proactive healing, that is true, as your list reflects.
Yea I just made sure to include all the most recent footage I had for the most up to date content but the conclusions are from months really of playing in both pugs and semi-coordinated grps
@@AutomaticJak i think (and im being genuine here not trying to be an asshole) the discrepancy issue here people are having alot lately with u on vids like this is they see "pre-made group play" as the same thing as like "these players are doing what theyre supposed to" but eventually u just get to a point where if ur a pugging a certain level most people just wont make the same mistakes cuz otherwise theyd just be dead u cant heal 1shots
Im just now learning to heal (havent healed since TBC) and I settled on resto-shaman, great to know its considered one if the easiest going into TWW but also has a ceiling I can constantly be pushing! Thank you for this very informative healing vid! Would love to see beginner vids for resto-shammie (and other classes) for TWW too :) Thanks again!
Okay, weird. I had a comment posted but it double posted so i deleted it and both are gone so here's try #2! Great suggestion for beginner healing as I'd also love that.
@@AutomaticJak I posted you a week-ish ago and your suggestion for Resto was appreciated. Since it's been 3-4 expacs since I've healed I'd love a "beginner or how-to" vid. I've been doing the pre-patch stuff and getting the catch-up gear so I can give healing a try as I level and before the mythic + stress and atttudes with PUGS starts..lol..
@@SinCityVillain hes already planning on making spec specific and content specific guides i beleive but u shud watch his resto shaman vid that goes over the basics he posted recently
I kinda think resto Druid has some game play styles that aren’t so difficult for not the highest end content. Someone looking for a easier healer isn’t playing high level content most likely also. But if you play a range resto Druid hugging the right hand side of class tree with no kitty weaving. And having a passive dmg profile with sunfire and moonfire from keeper of the grove. And spam starfall or wrath in aoe on single target. Resto Druid has much less button bloat and much better mana economy compared to something like resto shaman. Pros and cons to easy and hard for all specs (depending on playstyle)
They really need to just bake the disc season 3 tier set into the class. Smooths everything out. It would be a slamdunk for gameplay and fun, so sadly, blizz won't be interested.
in early DF i played disc priest in mythic raid. i had people tell me "i tried disc in dungeon, and it wasn't hard at all." People don't get that disc priest turns into a whole different monster when you have to ramp on 20 people rather than 5 xD
One of my biggest Preservation Evoker problems is always that the group should stay stacked to fully benefit if his heals. So many of his abilities can be nearly useless if the group stays spread (for example his healing breath). The second boss in NO during Dragonflight was always a nightmare as preservation.
i kind of think pres evoker is the hardest. the stasis gameplay where you can fuck up with something shitty but the positioning and the range is like playing on hard mode AND you are a fair bit fragile outside of def. i dont really find rdrood very difficult. probably on par with mistweaver but without the the risk of being in melee the. TWW just remember me of the 'old' drood playstyle where playing with your hots is actually the 'true' drood gameplay
Hmm I would say resto shaman feels easier than Holy priest currently. It's just so much easier to top ppl, and easier to understand your cooldowns. Hpriest dmg rotation is alot harder and managing the cds especially as oracle is a bit difficult. Also being so squishy.
I agree, my resto shaman & holy priest are easy to play & I can push up health bars very quickly. My pres, mw, & holy pala took longer to learn & are harder because I had to dodge melee mechanics. I also agree with disc & resto druid, needing to ramp up heals & not good snap healing does make them harder to learn & play.
They should change Resto Druid to focus on HoT durations. Talent Regrowth heals to shorten all HoT durations maybe 30/60/90% for 10 seconds. Swiftmend would have to be more powerful, maybe reduce all HoT by 100% for 5 seconds. Would apply to HoTs currently applied and future HoTs applied in the timeframe.
I find druid easy but I like to review logs and find my cd usage for flourish and tranquility makes it really easy to play in a unknown environment might be harder.
in raid i agree with holy priest, but in keys i think holy is pretty hard/annoying... they dont have an aoe heals to top the group so you have to just spam flash heal over and over and can get overwhelmed real fast.. maybe its just more annoying than hard... and by similar logic disc is pretty easy just radiance to apply atonement and spam damage you get to heal everybody
To avoid having to spam flash heal I advice Lightweaver. It's both simple and powerful talent that makes your "heal" ability have almost the same casting time as flash heal, but do 80% more healing and costing 30% less mana.
I’ve always played Melee and my zug zug brain really clicked with mistweaver. I’ve never had that with a healer. I hope I can try some others and enjoy them
Hi Thanks for the video. I just started playing a dps paladin and interested in healer role. I saw your Finding The BEST Healer Frame Addon video but do you have a video about complete healer enviroment setup in general? I wanna setup a guide and try some low keys and normal raids as a first step. I hope its not a bothering comment. Liked and subbed!
From my experience evoker is the hardest haha. I am a main MW Monk since BFA and I love it :) But kinda tired so my next main in TWW will be H-Priest or Resto Shaman
In time yeah! There’s lots of tuning going on atm so I’m focused on making a “should you play X healer” series which will talk about how they play and how the gameplay of each works!
Am I the only one who struggle with holy priest simple because it has more keybind then ever other class in the game? (except maybe druid but it's fixable with macro and the base healing rotation has less spells)
I've played disc a lot in DF and i didnt think it was very hard in keys... then i played it in TWW and realized how much the tier sets really held your hand. I still love disc but it really just doesnt feel great compared to other healers imo
If the group doesn't take avoidable damage and uses their cooldown it's not too hard. Hardest part comes when pugs take unnecesaary damage and you're out of cooldowns. Also the key difficulty is a big issue. On lower keys (up to 8 no bog fuss but higher) I often felt like I simply couldn't top my group in time.
As a long time healer, I think resto druid tree has always been easy. Sure lots of actions and the nature of dots but to me very easy. The thing is I don’t care about melee dmg as a tree. Sure ranged dmg but idc how potentially good kitty weaving is. It’s a niche thing and imo doesn’t affect seeing the resto Druid as easy. Again I see your point but this feels like it’s directed at the top 5% of the players. Ya know the ones that are top players, the ones that think they are top players. Those that just follow streamers and content creators also fall in here but many of those just opt for the easier options. Anyways great vid. As a long time holy priest I agree they are the easiest and disc the hardest. Again the difficulty starts showing up when dps becomes part of the HEALER’S job. Sigh.
kinda confused. If this is targeted at entry level - I would argue that every healer besides evoker and disc is super easy to get into. If you look at really challenging content - no way shaman is the easiest. No other class has as many options/buttons and as a shaman you NEED to pick the perfect option for any given content and manage the most buttons.
i'm not sure if you appreciate that saved by the light applies to the whole group when used with beacon of virtue when you said saved by the light was a mid talent earlier in another vid. I think it is important to understand that in many cases it is most beneficial to apply virtue to the group Premptively to make use of the shields it will apply if they drop below 30% currently. It's like a sporecloak that you can apply to the group before a damage event. This will be even more beneficial to understand in TWW because the threshold for proc was raised to 50% in the same patch that buffed our spenders. You do say to use stuff premptively so maybe you do idk. just putting this out there bc imo its a great talent i wouldnt run without especially with pugs.
@@AutomaticJak Yeah the buff to 50% is kind of a double edged sword because on one hand it will proc more, but with beacon being on a 15 second cooldown and the proc being on a 1 minute cooldown, it may now proc on an event where it wasnt really required. Watching some of your runs it looked like they were only dropping to the 40s when you ran grim batol. But healing 14s 15s at 510 ilv it is pretty reassuring the higher you go. I like being able to put a semi defensive on whole group in mplus. (In raid you cant really do this bc theres no control on who it goes on.) This way if they didnt hit anything... well i did what i could for them. Dont think you really want it to be a high percentage of healing but its assuring to know its there.
Resto druid had so much potential with hero talents and gameplay, feels like they missed a lot there. Which healer do you think has the highest skill cap, and highest reward for skill?
@@Rebsfan11 I haven't played the beta but Rsham really? Rsham has always been one of the easiest healer to play in my opinion compared to Rdruid or Disci priest
@@Darckpopo39 I think Rsham, druid, and Disc probably have the highest ceilings imo. Sham has a low floor which can make it deceiving but it has so many potential tools that most healers just can't bring. If you go from Disc to Sham, the difference in your ability to shut down mobs in a dungeon and help you group is massive. I think disc is difficult and has a high skill floor. If you can keep your group alive in dungeons you are probably already proficient. The only real place to go is perfecting your timings for damage profiles. I also think Pres was pretty hard to break into, it has massive power but the range can catch you off guard and so many of their tools have sort of a cd rotation and if you are caught out without tools left, you most likely blew the wrong cd at the wrong time and going to wipe. But that's another where the floor is just a little higher but once you get into flow its pretty reasonable.
@@Darckpopo39 it has the lowest floor. Which is deceiving. But almost the highest ceiling. It has so so much utility. Cap totem, poison cleanse totem, earth grab totem, earth ele, wind rush, 12 sec ranged kick, lust. And that’s just to name a few. There is a huge skill gap on a normal resto sham and a great one. It’s also the only healer currently that has mana issues. Any of the other. You can hit all your buttons the entire time. But on r sham you can actually go oom, so that’s another skill gap area.
@@Rylos277 thanks for the detail answer : ) I was maining disc when I played at DF and SL but I am now lurking towards Rsham for this xpac (I am tired to struggle as disc during new raid encounters where I have to learn again where to ramp). I was afraid that it will be too easy playing Rsham, it seems I might be wrong!
I know its a bad talking point in the Disc discord, but I really wish atonement lasted about 5secons longer than what it does. Base Atonement lasting 15sec is just not good, especially in raiding, you build up, get 15 people in about 4-5 globals, and now your first set of atonements are down to 10 or less seconds, so you Evangilism just to bring them back up to their base time, and now you are ready to go. in that same amount of time other healers are already able to react to the damage coming in OR they have less setup time and you are still sitting there like "man I just wasted all this" With that though, I LOVE disc for farming raids, where theres only like 2 healers its a blast, progression, I know they are nice but I feel kind of useless in them outside of certain situations
I've never liked pali for healing. I don't like shaman for healing much either. I guess you have your reasons but I wouldn't recommend either to someone new to healing.
I find new holy paladin to be same difficulty as holy priest(beacon of virtue aoe heals feel so OP in m+ and so easy to set up), might be just me and resto 100% overall easiest healer.
Love the Thumbnail! I started my main healer in DF as a disc priest. Talk about trying to master one of the harder ones when I am new to healing. 😂 After that I tried Holy and yes it is the easiest spec. I found that I wanted more of a challenge so I tried resto shaman. Then in remix I tried Mistweaver and Druid. I have not tired Pres Evoker yet (I am wary of it 🙃). I'd say I like R Shaman the most out of the lot. Yes it is easy to grasp the basics but does have a ladder to climb. I found Dragonflight perfect for this since it gave affixes like Afflicted, Entangling and Incorporeal which allowed me to change talents to suit the needs in M+. Keep these videos coming. :D
IMO druid is harder than priest disc, priests in dungeon with 3 gcds they are healing everyone, you wont do nothing with 3 gcds on druid, unless you get convoke.
@@mebrandonb thanks - im looking for a way to set the raid frame ui to different scenarios in the game; m+, raid, pvp.. without having to keep rechanging it each time
I had an idea about Disc that I posted on forums but no luck... How about making Atonement a Party-Wide only buff/aura? Still have Radiance and other spells to manually apply it onto others outside of party but this way Disc won't have to juggle with all the various CDs just to apply Atonement FIRST before start doing meaningful heals. Obviously, can tune the healing numbers, if required, based on these changes but it will be huge QoL improvement to avoid the worst part of being Disc, that is to apply Atonement first before do anything else.
Why are you only talking about monk healing in the fistweaving playstyle? There's also the caster monk healer, which is by far the easiest to play of all healers I reckon.
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The War Within really putting the “Discipline” in “Discipline Priest”
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Been tyring to level as Disc.....ssslloooooowwwww
Damn, the thumbnail makers are being real generous with making Old Man Jak look like a whipper snapper again
I love that you named your Dragon Jachthyr
As a healer that has played everything but pala in DF, I mostly agree with the list. From a pure M+ 2.8-3k PoV I'd rank them as:
1) hPriest - Straight up easy and very low skill ceiling. Can struggle with AoE, but as long as your party arent full glass cannons its fine. Hardest part is having very little control over CC and interrupts.
2) Disc - Mechanically very easy in a 5-man setting imo, just Radiance and Atonement heal. Hardest part of Disc is avoidable dmg/spot healing as it'll severely cut into Atonement uptime and hurt your healing on the rest of the party. Knowing timers a little bit is useful, but unlike rDruid its like 2 GCD's to start ramping so you can play it reactively up to a point.
3) Shaman - Easy and mostly reactive healer like hPriest, but much higher skill ceiling with all the cooldowns and utility. Better balance of spothealing/AoE healing than hPrierst. If you're a good rShaman, I'd argue its the easiest healer cause of the impact you can have on mob control unlike priest. Great CD's , but not reliant on those windows either.
4) Monk - Very middle ground but also very versatile with a high skill ceiling. Can struggle with spothealing without Cocoon as Vivify feels like the most lackluster heal without Enveloping Mist and/or Chi harmony on the target. If rest of party is topped off, Ancient Healings is a great spotheal though. Will say that intuition is important for this healer, knowing when to rely on Ancient Teachings and when not to. Can go from easy vibes 5th dps to oh shit where are my CD's fairly quickly, but your toolkit is amazing.
5) Druid - Most important to know timings and constantly prepare for whats to come. Heaviest on the GCD usage by far. Used to struggle more than Monk in unexpected spothealing without clearcasts, but its gotten better in pre-patch. Mix in catweaving and you are literally playing 2 roles tracking hots/dots, timings, using CC. Once your hots are up though, you feel like a god.
6) Evoker - By far the hardest due to limited range and your healing output being very dependant on others' positioning. Also struggles somewhat like Disc where your Echo ramping can get needlesly ruined by a single person, leaving the rest of the party in higher danger. Verdant Embrace is the biggest spothealing trap ime, felt like a 20% of dying along with the person I was trying to save. In one of those rare coordinated groups, its prob equal difficulty to Monk. Would NOT recommend in pugs though, you'll just make your life miserable lol.
For me Evoker, is the hardest mostly because you have to run toward your friend to heal them. That's just so boring and unfair
What about pali!!!
@@tylerchapman8856 they said they hadn't played paladin.
Maybe I am just bad, but i found prez by far the most challenging of any healer. Limited range+all of the targeted spells(orb,breath,blossom)+constant repositioning just makes healing EXTREMELY inconsistent. Not to mention complete lack of any sort of consistent rotation. The only healer that i didn’t even attempt to do more than weekly +10s in df. And somehow in raid its even worse. I like the spec a lot, its really fun and unique, but it reminds me of havoc a lot. Is it a fun spec i play every season? Hell yes. Am i ever going to do anything else aside from weeklies? Hell nah.
Good video.
You need a version of this video where the tier rating is done when the healer is *only* healing bad PUGs, and never a pre-made/guild group.
I've pugged with all of these healers. Some of the footage is with people I've played with before but all my conclusions are based on pugging/uncoordinated teams
@@AutomaticJak Fair enough, but watching the video, it did all seem very coordinated/pre-made gameplay, and not PUG style gameplay.
It's been my personal experience that the healing classes play a lot differently when you're constantly having to save people who are standing in the red, because they're just watching their DPS meters, etc.
I would think the tier list would be somewhat different, based on what circumstance healing is being done in. But at the end of the day, reactive healing is easier than proactive healing, that is true, as your list reflects.
Yea I just made sure to include all the most recent footage I had for the most up to date content but the conclusions are from months really of playing in both pugs and semi-coordinated grps
@@AutomaticJak i think (and im being genuine here not trying to be an asshole) the discrepancy issue here people are having alot lately with u on vids like this is they see "pre-made group play" as the same thing as like "these players are doing what theyre supposed to" but eventually u just get to a point where if ur a pugging a certain level most people just wont make the same mistakes cuz otherwise theyd just be dead u cant heal 1shots
I see Jak, I like and watch. But I do love me some tier lists.
Im just now learning to heal (havent healed since TBC) and I settled on resto-shaman, great to know its considered one if the easiest going into TWW but also has a ceiling I can constantly be pushing!
Thank you for this very informative healing vid!
Would love to see beginner vids for resto-shammie (and other classes) for TWW too :)
Thanks again!
You bet!
Okay, weird. I had a comment posted but it double posted so i deleted it and both are gone so here's try #2!
Great suggestion for beginner healing as I'd also love that.
@@AutomaticJak I posted you a week-ish ago and your suggestion for Resto was appreciated. Since it's been 3-4 expacs since I've healed I'd love a "beginner or how-to" vid. I've been doing the pre-patch stuff and getting the catch-up gear so I can give healing a try as I level and before the mythic + stress and atttudes with PUGS starts..lol..
@@SinCityVillain hes already planning on making spec specific and content specific guides i beleive but u shud watch his resto shaman vid that goes over the basics he posted recently
@@ThePolarpop Hey, thanks for that info!
I kinda think resto Druid has some game play styles that aren’t so difficult for not the highest end content. Someone looking for a easier healer isn’t playing high level content most likely also. But if you play a range resto Druid hugging the right hand side of class tree with no kitty weaving. And having a passive dmg profile with sunfire and moonfire from keeper of the grove. And spam starfall or wrath in aoe on single target. Resto Druid has much less button bloat and much better mana economy compared to something like resto shaman. Pros and cons to easy and hard for all specs (depending on playstyle)
thanks for all the content leading up to release, another banger :)
They really need to just bake the disc season 3 tier set into the class. Smooths everything out. It would be a slamdunk for gameplay and fun, so sadly, blizz won't be interested.
in early DF i played disc priest in mythic raid. i had people tell me "i tried disc in dungeon, and it wasn't hard at all." People don't get that disc priest turns into a whole different monster when you have to ramp on 20 people rather than 5 xD
especially when you have to ramp while moving on fights like Smolderon,Tindral,Fyrakk even on heroic mode
dude did you just like wake up one day and be like i think im goner go for king of wow youtuber thumbnails or what keep them comeing plz
I have so much planned, glad you’re enjoying it!
that thumbnail is making me feel things
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This is my first time seeing your videos and this is exactly what I was looking for! Thank you so much! Fantastic video!!
Glad it was helpful!
One of my biggest Preservation Evoker problems is always that the group should stay stacked to fully benefit if his heals. So many of his abilities can be nearly useless if the group stays spread (for example his healing breath). The second boss in NO during Dragonflight was always a nightmare as preservation.
Another banger video, Jak!
Thank you!
i kind of think pres evoker is the hardest. the stasis gameplay where you can fuck up with something shitty but the positioning and the range is like playing on hard mode AND you are a fair bit fragile outside of def. i dont really find rdrood very difficult. probably on par with mistweaver but without the the risk of being in melee the. TWW just remember me of the 'old' drood playstyle where playing with your hots is actually the 'true' drood gameplay
I've been maining disc and resto druid for the past week. Gotta say, they're absolutely MUCH more intensive than they have been previously.
Rdudu left with 0 cds in m+, compared to the rshamans 566778899 cds.
I mostly agree with the list but I would swap pres and resto druid. Which is relatively minor, just my perception on how each feels
Fair enough!
I love Jak's thumbnails
Hmm I would say resto shaman feels easier than Holy priest currently. It's just so much easier to top ppl, and easier to understand your cooldowns. Hpriest dmg rotation is alot harder and managing the cds especially as oracle is a bit difficult. Also being so squishy.
I think Prevoker is definitely the hardest to heal with unless you have a full melee comp.
Awesome break down on the healers Jak, as always, great work dude! :D
Hey, thanks!
I agree, my resto shaman & holy priest are easy to play & I can push up health bars very quickly. My pres, mw, & holy pala took longer to learn & are harder because I had to dodge melee mechanics. I also agree with disc & resto druid, needing to ramp up heals & not good snap healing does make them harder to learn & play.
Hmm... Sounds like disc might be back. I'll run some tests before launch! 🎉
You only mentioned mana management for mistweaver. How is mana management in M+ for all of them?
Solid vid once more
Incredible thumbnail
Just started to play holy pala first time, but seeing that disc struggles as always, i totally got in the mood to play it. :D :D
Jak --- I Freeking LOVE your cover - you look like a Priest on a higher level and you certainly ARE :)
They should change Resto Druid to focus on HoT durations.
Talent Regrowth heals to shorten all HoT durations maybe 30/60/90% for 10 seconds.
Swiftmend would have to be more powerful, maybe reduce all HoT by 100% for 5 seconds.
Would apply to HoTs currently applied and future HoTs applied in the timeframe.
Watching your videos make me think I could be a decent healer in most content. Just might try it out.
You should!
The thumbnail skillz will overtake the priest skillz in time
I find druid easy but I like to review logs and find my cd usage for flourish and tranquility makes it really easy to play in a unknown environment might be harder.
Damn, thought the monk vid was dropping today!
It’s coming!
in raid i agree with holy priest, but in keys i think holy is pretty hard/annoying... they dont have an aoe heals to top the group so you have to just spam flash heal over and over and can get overwhelmed real fast.. maybe its just more annoying than hard... and by similar logic disc is pretty easy just radiance to apply atonement and spam damage you get to heal everybody
easy to play,hard to master
they also dont have any dmg reduction wnich is a must in higher keys
But that’s where in war within prayer if mending applies renew which is good. For aoe wise in keys
To avoid having to spam flash heal I advice Lightweaver. It's both simple and powerful talent that makes your "heal" ability have almost the same casting time as flash heal, but do 80% more healing and costing 30% less mana.
So we just gonna act like Sanctify and Serenity and PoMending doesn't exist?
I’ve always played Melee and my zug zug brain really clicked with mistweaver. I’ve never had that with a healer. I hope I can try some others and enjoy them
No healer plays like MW
You mean spinning 24/7 on non boss fight?
@@Enneuwu the reworked version isn’t gonna be that I think. More beneficial to Bok and Rsk from what I can see. But hell yeah spin to win
@@Teapotion same shit, you just care more about ur mastery / gust of wind proc for aoe healing situations
IM LOVING THESE THUMBNAILS
Hi Thanks for the video. I just started playing a dps paladin and interested in healer role. I saw your Finding The BEST Healer Frame Addon video but do you have a video about complete healer enviroment setup in general? I wanna setup a guide and try some low keys and normal raids as a first step. I hope its not a bothering comment. Liked and subbed!
I have my whole ui in the description, will be working on a full ui vid very soon!
@@AutomaticJak Thank you. I'm looking foward to that. 🙂
There was a fix recently on rsham where the chain heals from your totems no longer consume your high tide procs
Discipline looks very stressful - respect to those who play it 😅 My main shammy looks strong - overhealing to the roof!
From my experience evoker is the hardest haha.
I am a main MW Monk since BFA and I love it :)
But kinda tired so my next main in TWW will be H-Priest or Resto Shaman
Still figuring out if I'll go pres or hpala. Seems like Aug will again be a must have, so HPala seems like the safer pick
Thanks for video!
My pleasure!
The thumbnail is amazing :)
Are you gonna do what hero talents are better for healing
In time yeah!
There’s lots of tuning going on atm so I’m focused on making a “should you play X healer” series which will talk about how they play and how the gameplay of each works!
Am I the only one who struggle with holy priest simple because it has more keybind then ever other class in the game? (except maybe druid but it's fixable with macro and the base healing rotation has less spells)
Discipline priest is challenging, so ya, definitely advanced.
Thanks Jak!
Thank you!
Ao druids got a hero talent tree dedicated to their treants and they’re WEAKER now?
I've played disc a lot in DF and i didnt think it was very hard in keys... then i played it in TWW and realized how much the tier sets really held your hand. I still love disc but it really just doesnt feel great compared to other healers imo
i miss instant radiance procs from DF S2, Was the most fun I 've ever had in M +.
@@vanguelisk yeah i had a LOT of fun with season 2 disc. Take me back :(
If the group doesn't take avoidable damage and uses their cooldown it's not too hard. Hardest part comes when pugs take unnecesaary damage and you're out of cooldowns. Also the key difficulty is a big issue. On lower keys (up to 8 no bog fuss but higher) I often felt like I simply couldn't top my group in time.
Great video, thanks Jak
Yo this thumbnail is hilarious 😂
Jesus Jak, your thumbnail game is getting out of this world 😂🤩🔥
AI
Pitching a tent over here with that thumbnail 👍😂😂
definitely nervous for disc priest going in.
i kinda wanted to try out disc priest because i thought the class look cool and fun but im new at wow so idk how well it would work
Im here for that thumbnail😊
As a combat medic… discipline priest is where it’s at
As a long time healer, I think resto druid tree has always been easy. Sure lots of actions and the nature of dots but to me very easy. The thing is I don’t care about melee dmg as a tree. Sure ranged dmg but idc how potentially good kitty weaving is. It’s a niche thing and imo doesn’t affect seeing the resto Druid as easy.
Again I see your point but this feels like it’s directed at the top 5% of the players. Ya know the ones that are top players, the ones that think they are top players. Those that just follow streamers and content creators also fall in here but many of those just opt for the easier options.
Anyways great vid. As a long time holy priest I agree they are the easiest and disc the hardest. Again the difficulty starts showing up when dps becomes part of the HEALER’S job. Sigh.
I main feral but I'm gonna start off as heals for the 1st time ever in TWW. MW monk for some pvp
Cool thumbnail
No shot Rdruid is harder than Preservation
no shot that spec isn't the 3rd one in easiest
Wish that resto shaman was easier to play in arena 😢
kinda confused. If this is targeted at entry level - I would argue that every healer besides evoker and disc is super easy to get into.
If you look at really challenging content - no way shaman is the easiest. No other class has as many options/buttons and as a shaman you NEED to pick the perfect option for any given content and manage the most buttons.
Holy priest is back.
i'm not sure if you appreciate that saved by the light applies to the whole group when used with beacon of virtue when you said saved by the light was a mid talent earlier in another vid. I think it is important to understand that in many cases it is most beneficial to apply virtue to the group Premptively to make use of the shields it will apply if they drop below 30% currently. It's like a sporecloak that you can apply to the group before a damage event. This will be even more beneficial to understand in TWW because the threshold for proc was raised to 50% in the same patch that buffed our spenders. You do say to use stuff premptively so maybe you do idk. just putting this out there bc imo its a great talent i wouldnt run without especially with pugs.
Its a cool talent but I've been playing with it post-buff and its still like 0.5% of my overall healing :(
@@AutomaticJak Yeah the buff to 50% is kind of a double edged sword because on one hand it will proc more, but with beacon being on a 15 second cooldown and the proc being on a 1 minute cooldown, it may now proc on an event where it wasnt really required. Watching some of your runs it looked like they were only dropping to the 40s when you ran grim batol. But healing 14s 15s at 510 ilv it is pretty reassuring the higher you go. I like being able to put a semi defensive on whole group in mplus. (In raid you cant really do this bc theres no control on who it goes on.) This way if they didnt hit anything... well i did what i could for them. Dont think you really want it to be a high percentage of healing but its assuring to know its there.
Man the pulsing Halo looks sick but I'm afraid the effect might get annoying. Really not hyped about H Priest hero talents.
Resto druid had so much potential with hero talents and gameplay, feels like they missed a lot there.
Which healer do you think has the highest skill cap, and highest reward for skill?
It’s Resto Druid and Resto Shaman for sure.
@@Rebsfan11 I haven't played the beta but Rsham really? Rsham has always been one of the easiest healer to play in my opinion compared to Rdruid or Disci priest
@@Darckpopo39 I think Rsham, druid, and Disc probably have the highest ceilings imo. Sham has a low floor which can make it deceiving but it has so many potential tools that most healers just can't bring. If you go from Disc to Sham, the difference in your ability to shut down mobs in a dungeon and help you group is massive.
I think disc is difficult and has a high skill floor. If you can keep your group alive in dungeons you are probably already proficient. The only real place to go is perfecting your timings for damage profiles.
I also think Pres was pretty hard to break into, it has massive power but the range can catch you off guard and so many of their tools have sort of a cd rotation and if you are caught out without tools left, you most likely blew the wrong cd at the wrong time and going to wipe. But that's another where the floor is just a little higher but once you get into flow its pretty reasonable.
@@Darckpopo39 it has the lowest floor. Which is deceiving. But almost the highest ceiling. It has so so much utility. Cap totem, poison cleanse totem, earth grab totem, earth ele, wind rush, 12 sec ranged kick, lust. And that’s just to name a few. There is a huge skill gap on a normal resto sham and a great one.
It’s also the only healer currently that has mana issues. Any of the other. You can hit all your buttons the entire time. But on r sham you can actually go oom, so that’s another skill gap area.
@@Rylos277 thanks for the detail answer : )
I was maining disc when I played at DF and SL but I am now lurking towards Rsham for this xpac (I am tired to struggle as disc during new raid encounters where I have to learn again where to ramp). I was afraid that it will be too easy playing Rsham, it seems I might be wrong!
I still cant decide WHO to main
What healing addon's do you use?
All in the description!
@@AutomaticJaknot seeing them
@@chancewallace2258 i think hes referring to the "UI-*links to his site*"
Easiest: Holy Priest, Restoration Shaman.
Intermediate: Holy Paladin, Mistweaver Monk, Preservation Evoker.
Challenging: Restoration Druid, Discipline Priest.
Resto main for life!
personally think preservation and resto druid should switch places otherwise agreed :)
Swap shaman with druid and disc with pali.😅 That's how I feel
Being lazy because I’m sure I could find it but does Jack use clique and those unit frames I see to do all his healing?
Nah, my ui is in the description!
I'm a returning player. What addons are you using for healing?
Full list in the description!
@@AutomaticJak Awesome. Thanks.
Restoration Shaman for life!
I want to play druid this Xpack but little worried about not really having that O shit button lol
when will you upload disc priest raid ramp guides with new talents?
As we get closer to the season launch. Still lots of potential for tuning to change things
I know its a bad talking point in the Disc discord, but I really wish atonement lasted about 5secons longer than what it does. Base Atonement lasting 15sec is just not good, especially in raiding, you build up, get 15 people in about 4-5 globals, and now your first set of atonements are down to 10 or less seconds, so you Evangilism just to bring them back up to their base time, and now you are ready to go. in that same amount of time other healers are already able to react to the damage coming in OR they have less setup time and you are still sitting there like "man I just wasted all this" With that though, I LOVE disc for farming raids, where theres only like 2 healers its a blast, progression, I know they are nice but I feel kind of useless in them outside of certain situations
well you said it yourself.. disc is proactive healer not reactive. if you want reactive gameplay play holy
IDK why but I have never been able to grasp the flow of Holy priest... its just never made sense to me
resto shaman is infinitely easier than holy priest imo
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I've never liked pali for healing. I don't like shaman for healing much either. I guess you have your reasons but I wouldn't recommend either to someone new to healing.
I find new holy paladin to be same difficulty as holy priest(beacon of virtue aoe heals feel so OP in m+ and so easy to set up), might be just me and resto 100% overall easiest healer.
Love the Thumbnail! I started my main healer in DF as a disc priest. Talk about trying to master one of the harder ones when I am new to healing. 😂 After that I tried Holy and yes it is the easiest spec. I found that I wanted more of a challenge so I tried resto shaman. Then in remix I tried Mistweaver and Druid. I have not tired Pres Evoker yet (I am wary of it 🙃). I'd say I like R Shaman the most out of the lot. Yes it is easy to grasp the basics but does have a ladder to climb. I found Dragonflight perfect for this since it gave affixes like Afflicted, Entangling and Incorporeal which allowed me to change talents to suit the needs in M+. Keep these videos coming. :D
Shaman on easiest, druid on challenging and evoker on intermediate...
The new petko tierlist is here
IMO druid is harder than priest disc, priests in dungeon with 3 gcds they are healing everyone, you wont do nothing with 3 gcds on druid, unless you get convoke.
at least Resto has things to help himself when 3 allies are all low health. Disc has absolutely nothing if radiance and rapture are on cooldown.
man i love holy priest
what did you use to get your 25 man raid groups displayed neatly like that at the bottom?
He's been using Cell recently, but I think on beta he only uses the base UI.
@@mebrandonb thanks - im looking for a way to set the raid frame ui to different scenarios in the game; m+, raid, pvp.. without having to keep rechanging it each time
@@irolasI think Cell does that.
Will Rsham get raid invites?
100%
I had an idea about Disc that I posted on forums but no luck...
How about making Atonement a Party-Wide only buff/aura? Still have Radiance and other spells to manually apply it onto others outside of party but this way Disc won't have to juggle with all the various CDs just to apply Atonement FIRST before start doing meaningful heals.
Obviously, can tune the healing numbers, if required, based on these changes but it will be huge QoL improvement to avoid the worst part of being Disc, that is to apply Atonement first before do anything else.
Well crap... just came back to game after about 2 years off and my two main healers are... resto druid and disc priest. Woop!
I am kind of confused...sometime when i press bubble i cant heal partymembers as if they are out of range, anyone knows why?
Stressed-out healers get to be more stressed out this expansion.
The job just keeps getting more thankless 🙃
I like rdruid but hate all their other specs 😭 i like priest but hate it for pvp healing 🥺
Why are you only talking about monk healing in the fistweaving playstyle? There's also the caster monk healer, which is by far the easiest to play of all healers I reckon.