@@shadowbanned3044 it was the same thought with mistweaver and now everyone is suddenly talking about their utility being good. Preservation has plenty of tools to be successful including arguably the best two tank externals in time dilation and the upcoming renewing blaze hero talent for flameshaper. It all depends on your definition of “viable” which is super vague
I do not think so. The vast majority of players are doing M+ in PUGS. Pres is way weaker in that not coordinated groups. You need to have high hps, cause otherwise your range limit and need for combos will crush a pug @@iamvee87
@@Robsos2010 yeah, and we even have a human toggle form. I don't know why that can't just stay active all the time. Maybe give you a pair of temporary wings when you cast hover... Such an oversight
@@Squagem i enjoy pres gameplay, i cant stand looking at that cringe gay dragon in combat. If there was a glyph to stay in human form and just grow wings in combat i would love it!
Picking a healer is hard because the community pays sooo much attention to the Meta in keys they will never even see. Oh and Blizzard swinging the nerf hammer and totally nuke a spec is always concerning.
Starting to understand why blizzard will never be able to balance this mess. I cant speak for everyone, but man I'm getting tired of having to swap healers every season based on what's meta. "Just play what you enjoy" means nothing when I want to play high keys but can't because I'm not meta. Look at S4 of dragonflight, if you weren't a druid you didnt get to play. My priest did everything on 15s in the first few weeks, then didn't get a single invite to 16s despite having previous exp in 17-19s.
How screwed is Holy and Disc looking for M+? No battle res, lust, mediocre output, lack of mobility, poor CC (Psychic Scream), no interrupt. PI and Fort are good for sure, but Mass Dispel on a 2 min CD feels like it’s not worth the trade off of missing those other things. Starting to think I’ll have to play Pres Evoker or Resto Shaman next season.
Following that logic, disc should have the highest DMG output, I mean they literally have to do DMG to heal. And I know a lot of people who disagree :D
This was a incredibly informative and well put together video. It's a good glaring representation of Throughput being King even above theories of best comps. I told my guild Pres evoker was looking great 3 weeks ago and it will get its nerfs, but it will most likely just bring it into line. Metas shaping up to be like dragon flight season 1!
I think you're all asking the wrong question. the key thing we should be interested in is which healer will be best in healing tank spec that gonna be meta for a season.
Last weekend, I decided I wasn't going to main a priest that I would probably main a resto druid or a prevoker. Today I see 3 videos and your stream talking about pres and I'm not sure if its a good sign of which I should pick, or a bad omen of nerfs to come.
Whats interesting is like... the bulk of folks playing could hit random select on their class, and do just fine in M+. As someone that does the highest key needed for vault, and that's about it, rarely does it affect my decision on what to play. Now, raid setting is a different story. So many times raid encounters dictate what specs/races you ideally need, and hell, that is usually its OWN set of annoying problems in the game :|
@@dr.zoidberg8666 it’s basic healer kit. And that is the point though. Hpal and resto Druid utility is massively over stacked in comparison to mistweaver and priest.
@@Furcas I don't think it is basic healer kit, I think it's a special thing just like Shammy self-rez, priest Spirit of Redemption, or priest/evoker rescue. It makes sense for pally, as a heavily armored battlefield healer designed for war, to have combat rez, as it makes sense for DK... & Druid get to keep it because they had it first to begin with 🤷♂️ It doesn't make as much thematic sense for any of the other classes imo except maybe Prevoker I guess... but I don't think I'd give it to them either.
@@dr.zoidberg8666 at no point did anyone suggest that they should give every healer everything but combat Rez is so vital to large portions of content that it should be basic healer kit. This isn’t a question of themes it’s one of game balance.
I understand people not wanting to double down on classes but Evoker utility is nuts so double Evoker utility is more than worth it. 4 AoE CC's, 2 bleed removals, 2 decent dispels for Season 1, two Oppressing Roars etc.
Isnt that more a team problem then a pres evoker problem tho? I always tell people of they insist on standing in italy when im in France, then it's their own fault they die. It's called learn to play with your comp.
@@sebastiaankolbkkristensen6488 Doesn't mean that the hunters listen to you. It is also a detriment in raids. When you have to move out to cover a mechanic and you cant heal anyone
@@pc574 In that case I always say if the guy wants healing he will come and learn to play with a presevoker. If he doesn't come, well he die and that's on him
Would love to see a pres guide from you in TWW! While I'm very confident on hpal/rsham/disc/mw, I feel kinda lost on pres due to the many interactions/combos of their kit.
Hey what's going on Jak, it's guys. In your opinion, what change to priest's kit would it take to get the kind of representation that r.druid has seen over the years?
Played the first week of beta all the healers and immediately fell back onto pres after playing it in DF. I knew it was going to be good after playing it last out of all the healers. Just felt so much better being able to push up health bars and not struggle.
Personally as a prevoker main, I'd be happy to have average hps and normal range, but it feels like Blizz are very determined short range is our USP, and to make that work we kind of have to be the best healer for stacked conditions? Else why not pick a healer who doesn't force your group to think about their positioning? If you have to play around the healer, that healer better be good.
Idk if I would say Prev lacks utility. I also don’t think most of the Aug and Prev overlap is a problem especially with the nerf to stops and benefit of having two oppressive roars.
I'd be maining pres if they didn't have the range limit. I cannot in good faith raid heal with it, either, just because of how absolutely rigid positioning is in larger area fights.
Idk my buddy is amped for pres. But as a RL and a guy who pugs keys as both heals and tank, pres has to be so good it's two tiers above the other healers or aug has to go the way of the dodo bird.
I think from a balance perspective the more utility a healer brings the less HPS they should do. Same goes for kind of all roles in the game... that being said, classes that don't really bring that much should just have more they can bring lol come on blizz.
But that also does not work the class need to do enough hps to do content. And for other roles say dps we have proof over the seasons of utility not mattering if the dps is high enough Dps first then defensives and utility. It is only after the game is balanced for dps that utility even enters into discussion for dps players.
its worth noting that "Utility" means something very different for push keys vs for the key levels most of your viewers are doing! In my +10s and below I think of utility as "ways to solve problems the dungeon throws at me" so for me Shaman has the best utility in the game and Mistweaver is definitely up there in the top echelon, while Priest is on the bottom. But for high keys, utility seems to be more like "unique ways to improve your team's success chance that aren't healing or damage"? So priest is pretty great with mind soothe, MD, fort buff, and PI, while mistweaver is on the bottom with no relevant raid buff and no real unique thing to improve the run. RoP can be used as like the most ghetto skip method of all time in some cases (rip to the mists rop skip) but that's kinda it.
Followup to the question of "why does blizzard take so much time to balance"...Do you think if blizzard would be more aggressive with tuning the Meta wouldn't be as strict as it is these days? Sure the streamers will just pump in hours on end and have everything geared, but would there be such a high amount of people rerolling to the meta specs if those could get nerfed any reset? I think people would be more likely to stick to a main and try more stuff - especially with the higher costs of upgrading gear in TWW and the time it takes to do so.
Yea if there was more rapid tuning you’d see much better balance in general. Super op thing gets nerfed to an acceptable level and / or bad things get brought up to its level. Tank balance in general needs to be better too
@@AutomaticJak its not the same reasoning but this reminds me of how Legion doing so well on both class fantasy/rework selling and also artifact power being a permanent grind on your weapon that A L O T of people just had diehard main classes even when their class got nuked. idk where im going wiht this just thought it was cool
@@AutomaticJak in a much more serious message i just wish theyd stop balancing M+ seasons like its an ARPG where "oh no we cant nerf the super overpowered things cuz people have already grinded for them!" and its like, no, please, please do theres 35 other specs in the game people are wanting to also play...
Being asked to play Hpal for raid. Choosing Rdruid as the second main, with priest being my alt. Can’t get the feel for pres evoker. Hope it’s not super meta cause good lord I can’t do that for key pushing lol
I’ll still be playing a disc priest, but even then I’m kind of disappointed at the moment. I’ve played disc since late BFA, and sadly I’m really upset with the way discipline priest plays now. It’s gone through so many changes over the last year but it feels like being backed into a wall, rolled in a box and sealed up. I got on the beta with a lot of enthusiasm for the void themes, and it was just frustration after frustration. I really don’t like the way it plays even with the thematic addition. The way they’ve changed it is difficult and without mind bender CD tier, it’s just not as smooth flowing. I don’t know if the beta has some bugs or not, but something weird is happening with the spells. It just doesn’t feel right. Maybe I’m weird tho idk.
Really wish Blizzard would set a baseline level of utility for each role and give all specs for that role abilities that provide that utility and make sure none of the specs get too many extraneous forms of utility above other specs in a role. I get that homogenization is something to be concerned about, but I don't think baseline utility is the place to fear homogenization, personally. You can very easily make classes feel different through the rest of their kits.
@@Kantstop01 I play both, actually. And there are 100% things both games could learn from each other that would improve the games without sacrificing what makes each game great independently.
@@seluhir8820 You're right, they could learn from each other. However, I think FFxiv has a lot more to learn from WoW healing than the other way around. Healing in FF is super super basic and its what kept me from continuing my sub
it wont be for dungeons.. one reason. pres doesnt bring throughput buff to the group. It will be Druid or shaman. since healer dmg stinks in TWW. best thing a healer can proide is a buff to group that buffs dps
I just hate the pingpong balancing that seems to happen and for some reason people seem to enjoy. People get so caught up in their class identity that they actively want other players to suffer if they've suffered before. Just look at everyone calling for aug to be nerfed into unplayability or straight up deleted from the game. Look at everyone calling for mages to be nerfed into oblivion. It's a terrible way to balance the game when you're just looking at patch notes and videos before a new season or expansion comes out to decide whether it's worth playing or not because your spec might not be one of the favoured ones. I main feral druid and we haven't been truly meta for over a decade and that doesn't look to change anytime soon and with boomkin/resto being kinda average too currently I barely have any motivation to play season 1 TWW at all. It'll just be like S3 Dragonflight where it takes too long to form groups or you just never get invited because you're not a FOTM reroller.
I kinda hate this kind of content but not because it is bad, because information is always good, but what people make off it can be awfull. Me not being accepted in a +10 because they were only accepting the meta healer that professional groups +30+ were using and telling me to reroll because i was not meta. I was like what?
So this is just your way of saying Preservation is OP as a healer and will get brought on pure value...... that sounds like a bad place to be if blizzard..... notices.
Blizz balances the game around the 0.01%. After that ppl refuse you in low keys cuz they think your class is bad because it's not meta for world first. Fudge those guys. Nobody care about +30 keys.
Yeah, but it's not Blizz's fault, it's the players' fault for behaving that way. Even if there was only a 0.0001% difference, the players would still obsess over meta.
I haven't followed the conversation so maybe people are just that stupid but when you start the video off with "hey guys this overtuned spec might be meta if it stays overtuned" I'm just left wondering why that claim needed to be defended at all 😂. I guess it's a good excuse for a history lesson.
Unless your in the top 10% of players who cares about the 2% difference. Play a class you enjoy and you’ll play better. Always these stupid conversations about the “meta”
I think the spikey dmg profiles in DF were Blizz trying to address that, but really it's an intractible problem in M+. As long as it's a timed format & healers have buttons that do any damage at all, the players will insist that healers do damage.
Let’s get the least popular healer nerfed! Woooooooo Literally have been saying since the beginning double evoker is fine. Now it’s ok? I hate this community sometimes.
@@AutomaticJak Growl released a similar video I think. Disclaimer i havent watched yours yet but I think thats it. probably just joking though i rly doubt anyone thinks you and growl have beef haha
Preservation sucks ass for pugs so not even an option for me. Having a healer that needs their dps to have a brain to heal means it will be miserable to play in pugs
Depends on the level of keys you’re planning to do ig. If you intend on pushing the highest level of keys you can definitely play less pug friendly healers but fuck playing Pres anyways lol.
They just need to do a better job balancing these damn classes. Having one healer dominate to falling off a cliff in representation is pathetic. Just be way, way more proactive in balancing already. Don't wait an entire season. Poor balancing at the top roars downhill like a rushing river to the rest of the M+ community. Perception is everything.
I think meta matters in an indirect way to more casual M+ players. Everyone sees the Wowhead & Icy Veins lists & many people invite accordingly, even if it doesn't really matter at their level.
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Jak and Growl conspiring to get Pres nerfed.
Bro these guys putting evil on us.
The sad thing is that evoker needs to be "op" in order to be viable lmao...
Ikr, I just prepped my evoker to go for my guild fml
@@shadowbanned3044 it was the same thought with mistweaver and now everyone is suddenly talking about their utility being good. Preservation has plenty of tools to be successful including arguably the best two tank externals in time dilation and the upcoming renewing blaze hero talent for flameshaper. It all depends on your definition of “viable” which is super vague
Exactly my thoughts
Just yesterday I told my team I'm gonna Main Presvoker another Season. Please don't get us nerfed Jak
I’ll do my best
I'd say you deserve the nerfs to be honest.
I do not think so. The vast majority of players are doing M+ in PUGS. Pres is way weaker in that not coordinated groups. You need to have high hps, cause otherwise your range limit and need for combos will crush a pug @@iamvee87
Get the chalk ready, blizz bouta go burrr
I just cant get over the weird character model lmao. It's so fun to play but man it's weird
Deviant supreme will help ya or tmorph 😂
Dont forget the lack of armor sporting... it's just lame.
@@Robsos2010 yeah, and we even have a human toggle form. I don't know why that can't just stay active all the time. Maybe give you a pair of temporary wings when you cast hover... Such an oversight
@@Squagem i enjoy pres gameplay, i cant stand looking at that cringe gay dragon in combat.
If there was a glyph to stay in human form and just grow wings in combat i would love it!
@@BeowulfGaming okay yikes casual homophobia
Picking a healer is hard because the community pays sooo much attention to the Meta in keys they will never even see.
Oh and Blizzard swinging the nerf hammer and totally nuke a spec is always concerning.
Buying stock in chalk since blizz loves nerfing hpally until they are outlined
I’d love to play pres - but - when you’re a pug healer and you wind up with a hunter standing at 40 yards you want to gouge your eyes out.
I repeatedly rescue them in range. If they want to annoy me, I'll annoy them.
let them learn their lesson it's the only way
Starting to understand why blizzard will never be able to balance this mess. I cant speak for everyone, but man I'm getting tired of having to swap healers every season based on what's meta. "Just play what you enjoy" means nothing when I want to play high keys but can't because I'm not meta. Look at S4 of dragonflight, if you weren't a druid you didnt get to play. My priest did everything on 15s in the first few weeks, then didn't get a single invite to 16s despite having previous exp in 17-19s.
This is fabulous in light of the Growl video from a few hours ago
its been the case in every aspect of this game, do enough dps/hps, and suddenly everyone forgets how little utility you have and will even praise it.
I always have the most fun playing the healer the community deems unworthy of love. pumping out the heals as the 'underdog' is very satisfying haha.
So you usually main MW?
Cause even when it's broken it's usually looked down upon by the community
@@rosco3 Maybe this is anecdotal but i have never gotten hate for being MW. I've gotten hate for being Rsham and Hpriest the most over the years.
@@FooX917 My experience was hugely different as MW but I'm glad you didn't
How screwed is Holy and Disc looking for M+? No battle res, lust, mediocre output, lack of mobility, poor CC (Psychic Scream), no interrupt. PI and Fort are good for sure, but Mass Dispel on a 2 min CD feels like it’s not worth the trade off of missing those other things. Starting to think I’ll have to play Pres Evoker or Resto Shaman next season.
Holy priest is very good in m+. Disc is ded in keys atm
IMO pres should be the highest output if they have less range. I'm sorry Disc priest is down bad but as a pres main we don't need this juju
we call this the "Divine Mandate" which blizzard has said themselves
Following that logic, disc should have the highest DMG output, I mean they literally have to do DMG to heal. And I know a lot of people who disagree :D
@@BooooomCL just let us be happy -_-
That's not how blizzard does balancing tho... and i for one is glad about that, as you shouldn't get rewarded for playing a class with shorter range
Pres got mobility that is the counter to the lesser range.
Do you want to lose the mobility?
That utility argument is true for dps as well. Wl was super strong in m+ for S3 and S4 but didn't get invited bc of lack of m+ utility.
Praying we don't get gutted 🙏 just let us continue being the quirky meme spec that silently pops off
1:45 I said wow that's a big disparity! 44% out of 6 possible choices! Crazy. Then the charts for season 2 and 4 come up around 3:23 and holy *shit*
This was a incredibly informative and well put together video. It's a good glaring representation of Throughput being King even above theories of best comps. I told my guild Pres evoker was looking great 3 weeks ago and it will get its nerfs, but it will most likely just bring it into line. Metas shaping up to be like dragon flight season 1!
This is a video I can get behind! I've been waiting for a good argument for healing output!
I really want to play disc priest even though its been lacking as of late. Do you think we will have another mindbender meta rotation?
I think you're all asking the wrong question. the key thing we should be interested in is which healer will be best in healing tank spec that gonna be meta for a season.
Last weekend, I decided I wasn't going to main a priest that I would probably main a resto druid or a prevoker. Today I see 3 videos and your stream talking about pres and I'm not sure if its a good sign of which I should pick, or a bad omen of nerfs to come.
Whats interesting is like... the bulk of folks playing could hit random select on their class, and do just fine in M+. As someone that does the highest key needed for vault, and that's about it, rarely does it affect my decision on what to play.
Now, raid setting is a different story. So many times raid encounters dictate what specs/races you ideally need, and hell, that is usually its OWN set of annoying problems in the game :|
Priest and mistweaver need combat res. That’d help a bunch.
Kinda takes away from HPal & Resto druid though. I think I'd rather give MW a self-rez like Shammy for thematic reasons -- idk what I'd do for priest.
@@dr.zoidberg8666 it’s basic healer kit. And that is the point though. Hpal and resto Druid utility is massively over stacked in comparison to mistweaver and priest.
@@Furcas I don't think it is basic healer kit, I think it's a special thing just like Shammy self-rez, priest Spirit of Redemption, or priest/evoker rescue.
It makes sense for pally, as a heavily armored battlefield healer designed for war, to have combat rez, as it makes sense for DK... & Druid get to keep it because they had it first to begin with 🤷♂️
It doesn't make as much thematic sense for any of the other classes imo except maybe Prevoker I guess... but I don't think I'd give it to them either.
@@Furcas I just don't think "Give everybody all the goodies," is a very good design strategy because it gets rid of the uniqueness of each spec.
@@dr.zoidberg8666 at no point did anyone suggest that they should give every healer everything but combat Rez is so vital to large portions of content that it should be basic healer kit. This isn’t a question of themes it’s one of game balance.
I understand people not wanting to double down on classes but Evoker utility is nuts so double Evoker utility is more than worth it. 4 AoE CC's, 2 bleed removals, 2 decent dispels for Season 1, two Oppressing Roars etc.
Big downside for certain fights with pvoker is range. Giving them extra output because of that makes sense.
Jak mad that disc is bad and is trying to get preservation nerfed. come on
Yeah, selfish from him really
Always appreciate the knowledge, thank you.
Any time
That range is rough though. Not being able to heal someone as they are 30 yards away sucks unless you are in small rooms
Isnt that more a team problem then a pres evoker problem tho? I always tell people of they insist on standing in italy when im in France, then it's their own fault they die. It's called learn to play with your comp.
@@sebastiaankolbkkristensen6488 Doesn't mean that the hunters listen to you. It is also a detriment in raids. When you have to move out to cover a mechanic and you cant heal anyone
@@pc574 In that case I always say if the guy wants healing he will come and learn to play with a presevoker. If he doesn't come, well he die and that's on him
Would love to see a pres guide from you in TWW! While I'm very confident on hpal/rsham/disc/mw, I feel kinda lost on pres due to the many interactions/combos of their kit.
Jak I wish your hair was like how it is in the thumbnail, so majestic lol
Hey what's going on Jak, it's guys. In your opinion, what change to priest's kit would it take to get the kind of representation that r.druid has seen over the years?
Better crowd control primarily. PI is huge but the lack of cc really limits your options in a massive way for the rest of the comp
@AutomaticJak Esp the lack of an interrupt. There's no real good reason as to why priest is the only healer class without one
@@jacrispy7850 its not a good reason but the reason H A S to be PvP balance lmao (please god just disable it in PvP or something then..)
Lowkey saying "healing is important as well as utility, see you" :D
Played the first week of beta all the healers and immediately fell back onto pres after playing it in DF. I knew it was going to be good after playing it last out of all the healers. Just felt so much better being able to push up health bars and not struggle.
Could you make a video about priest healers in the war within?
fk metas gonna play my cute resto shaman anyways :D
Personally as a prevoker main, I'd be happy to have average hps and normal range, but it feels like Blizz are very determined short range is our USP, and to make that work we kind of have to be the best healer for stacked conditions? Else why not pick a healer who doesn't force your group to think about their positioning? If you have to play around the healer, that healer better be good.
Jak tryin to get preservation nerfed lmao
The thumbnail makes you look like Tom Holland and it's fantastic! :)
Idk if I would say Prev lacks utility. I also don’t think most of the Aug and Prev overlap is a problem especially with the nerf to stops and benefit of having two oppressive roars.
I ain't playing some skinny sickly looking ass lizard, no matter how strong the spec is, Resto Druid is where is at lads, for both PvE and PvP
What a thumbnail!
Will they do something for the discipline priest ? No one talks about it anymore..
I'd be maining pres if they didn't have the range limit.
I cannot in good faith raid heal with it, either, just because of how absolutely rigid positioning is in larger area fights.
Thank you for this video Jak!
Idk my buddy is amped for pres. But as a RL and a guy who pugs keys as both heals and tank, pres has to be so good it's two tiers above the other healers or aug has to go the way of the dodo bird.
I think from a balance perspective the more utility a healer brings the less HPS they should do. Same goes for kind of all roles in the game...
that being said, classes that don't really bring that much should just have more they can bring lol come on blizz.
But that also does not work the class need to do enough hps to do content.
And for other roles say dps we have proof over the seasons of utility not mattering if the dps is high enough Dps first then defensives and utility.
It is only after the game is balanced for dps that utility even enters into discussion for dps players.
And for anyone pushing a key lower than 20, none of this matters because they're all viable.
its worth noting that "Utility" means something very different for push keys vs for the key levels most of your viewers are doing! In my +10s and below I think of utility as "ways to solve problems the dungeon throws at me" so for me Shaman has the best utility in the game and Mistweaver is definitely up there in the top echelon, while Priest is on the bottom. But for high keys, utility seems to be more like "unique ways to improve your team's success chance that aren't healing or damage"? So priest is pretty great with mind soothe, MD, fort buff, and PI, while mistweaver is on the bottom with no relevant raid buff and no real unique thing to improve the run. RoP can be used as like the most ghetto skip method of all time in some cases (rip to the mists rop skip) but that's kinda it.
holy pally looks like we're dead. nerfs all around again
I'm sticking to it anyway. It seems like they're looking to tune quickly, so if we're too weak I bet we'll see buffs in the first few weeks.
I main in SL season 1,2 pally in heal, so this is good option on M+ in TWW ?
Evoker has to have Pres and Dev cranked up just to not play second fiddle to Aug.
Its just ridiculous. You have literally to play all healers to pick the fotm of the actual season.
Plot twist. Jak makes videos praising every healer but priest to secretly get everything nerfed so priest is good again
Kek. Dw I’ll post some good stuff about HPriest soon
@@AutomaticJak excited for that! Seems like all healers have atleast alittle something worth checking out
I'd love to try Evoker, but I just can't do it, Dracthyr just look way too goofy for me.
Followup to the question of "why does blizzard take so much time to balance"...Do you think if blizzard would be more aggressive with tuning the Meta wouldn't be as strict as it is these days? Sure the streamers will just pump in hours on end and have everything geared, but would there be such a high amount of people rerolling to the meta specs if those could get nerfed any reset? I think people would be more likely to stick to a main and try more stuff - especially with the higher costs of upgrading gear in TWW and the time it takes to do so.
Yea if there was more rapid tuning you’d see much better balance in general. Super op thing gets nerfed to an acceptable level and / or bad things get brought up to its level.
Tank balance in general needs to be better too
@@AutomaticJak its not the same reasoning but this reminds me of how Legion doing so well on both class fantasy/rework selling and also artifact power being a permanent grind on your weapon that A L O T of people just had diehard main classes even when their class got nuked. idk where im going wiht this just thought it was cool
@@AutomaticJak in a much more serious message i just wish theyd stop balancing M+ seasons like its an ARPG where "oh no we cant nerf the super overpowered things cuz people have already grinded for them!" and its like, no, please, please do theres 35 other specs in the game people are wanting to also play...
So weird to see Preservation potentially become meta again after my guild asked me to swap to HPal after I played Pres all of DF 😐😐
Being asked to play Hpal for raid. Choosing Rdruid as the second main, with priest being my alt. Can’t get the feel for pres evoker. Hope it’s not super meta cause good lord I can’t do that for key pushing lol
I’ll still be playing a disc priest, but even then I’m kind of disappointed at the moment. I’ve played disc since late BFA, and sadly I’m really upset with the way discipline priest plays now. It’s gone through so many changes over the last year but it feels like being backed into a wall, rolled in a box and sealed up. I got on the beta with a lot of enthusiasm for the void themes, and it was just frustration after frustration. I really don’t like the way it plays even with the thematic addition. The way they’ve changed it is difficult and without mind bender CD tier, it’s just not as smooth flowing. I don’t know if the beta has some bugs or not, but something weird is happening with the spells. It just doesn’t feel right. Maybe I’m weird tho idk.
and which clas is on the second place ?
Really wish Blizzard would set a baseline level of utility for each role and give all specs for that role abilities that provide that utility and make sure none of the specs get too many extraneous forms of utility above other specs in a role. I get that homogenization is something to be concerned about, but I don't think baseline utility is the place to fear homogenization, personally. You can very easily make classes feel different through the rest of their kits.
Go play final fantasy then? that's literally their game
@@Kantstop01 I play both, actually. And there are 100% things both games could learn from each other that would improve the games without sacrificing what makes each game great independently.
@@seluhir8820 You're right, they could learn from each other. However, I think FFxiv has a lot more to learn from WoW healing than the other way around. Healing in FF is super super basic and its what kept me from continuing my sub
i’m sry no one talking about how fine jak looks in this thumbnail as whatever tf he is
They need a glyph or something to fix that lizard look
inb4 pres nerf because our output is better than other healers (who have more range)
thanks for nerfing it :((
it wont be for dungeons.. one reason. pres doesnt bring throughput buff to the group. It will be Druid or shaman. since healer dmg stinks in TWW. best thing a healer can proide is a buff to group that buffs dps
I just hate the pingpong balancing that seems to happen and for some reason people seem to enjoy. People get so caught up in their class identity that they actively want other players to suffer if they've suffered before. Just look at everyone calling for aug to be nerfed into unplayability or straight up deleted from the game. Look at everyone calling for mages to be nerfed into oblivion. It's a terrible way to balance the game when you're just looking at patch notes and videos before a new season or expansion comes out to decide whether it's worth playing or not because your spec might not be one of the favoured ones. I main feral druid and we haven't been truly meta for over a decade and that doesn't look to change anytime soon and with boomkin/resto being kinda average too currently I barely have any motivation to play season 1 TWW at all. It'll just be like S3 Dragonflight where it takes too long to form groups or you just never get invited because you're not a FOTM reroller.
I kinda hate this kind of content but not because it is bad, because information is always good, but what people make off it can be awfull. Me not being accepted in a +10 because they were only accepting the meta healer that professional groups +30+ were using and telling me to reroll because i was not meta. I was like what?
Still though, delete aug.
TRUE
❤ aug. y’all need to sweat less
Resto Druid is always op
I like your thumb nail, you look good with shoulder length wavy hair!
Thank you so much
So this is just your way of saying Preservation is OP as a healer and will get brought on pure value...... that sounds like a bad place to be if blizzard..... notices.
Blizz balances the game around the 0.01%. After that ppl refuse you in low keys cuz they think your class is bad because it's not meta for world first. Fudge those guys. Nobody care about +30 keys.
Yeah, but it's not Blizz's fault, it's the players' fault for behaving that way. Even if there was only a 0.0001% difference, the players would still obsess over meta.
@@dr.zoidberg8666 its definitelyt both
I haven't followed the conversation so maybe people are just that stupid but when you start the video off with "hey guys this overtuned spec might be meta if it stays overtuned" I'm just left wondering why that claim needed to be defended at all 😂.
I guess it's a good excuse for a history lesson.
still range limitied
I rlly don't want to play the lizard =(
Plz dont get me nerfed =(
Unless your in the top 10% of players who cares about the 2% difference. Play a class you enjoy and you’ll play better. Always these stupid conversations about the “meta”
"prays blizz is winding up the nerf hammer for evoker class"
I hate that meta, I don't play healer to DPS. If I wanted to DPS I WOULD ROLL A DPS.
I think the spikey dmg profiles in DF were Blizz trying to address that, but really it's an intractible problem in M+.
As long as it's a timed format & healers have buttons that do any damage at all, the players will insist that healers do damage.
But…but… evokers look so ugly in the warband :(
Let’s get the least popular healer nerfed! Woooooooo
Literally have been saying since the beginning double evoker is fine. Now it’s ok? I hate this community sometimes.
Delete Aug.
New meta game is you outdoing yourself with these thumbnails
the Jak v Growl beef is real
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@@AutomaticJak Growl released a similar video I think. Disclaimer i havent watched yours yet but I think thats it. probably just joking though i rly doubt anyone thinks you and growl have beef haha
oo okay!
@@AutomaticJak Yeah, unserious comment. Just thought it was funny that you both put out a video on the same spec
Preservation sucks ass for pugs so not even an option for me.
Having a healer that needs their dps to have a brain to heal means it will be miserable to play in pugs
Depends on the level of keys you’re planning to do ig. If you intend on pushing the highest level of keys you can definitely play less pug friendly healers but fuck playing Pres anyways lol.
So this whole video is irrelavent with one balance pass
or its relevant for another healer like MW or Priest
@@AutomaticJak lol nope
@@mrrd4512??? The ideas this video presents are entirely class agnostic. They apply whatever the tuning is.
@@dr.zoidberg8666 The highest tuned class is strong! What a revelation. Cope clown
No dragons, please not another dragon meta 😂.
They just need to do a better job balancing these damn classes. Having one healer dominate to falling off a cliff in representation is pathetic. Just be way, way more proactive in balancing already. Don't wait an entire season. Poor balancing at the top roars downhill like a rushing river to the rest of the M+ community. Perception is everything.
Why so much talk about meta and whatnot, when a extremely tiny fraction of your viewers actually does content where meta matters?
I thought it was an interesting topic and my most viewed videos are usually tier lists which are about the meta
I think meta matters in an indirect way to more casual M+ players. Everyone sees the Wowhead & Icy Veins lists & many people invite accordingly, even if it doesn't really matter at their level.
Rsham > other healers