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Man. Debbie has got to be the strongest character mentally. Took all that beating and even had her arm snap, and she didn't even blame Mark, Oliver, or lash out at anyone.
She's just a great person. She has no reason to snap and lash out at any of them. All that nonsense is dumb modern day trends in storytelling and it sucks. It's like the Mark guilt trip thing where he thinks killing someone for the sake of protection is the same as killing someone for no reason even if they are innocent. It's a dumb moral equivalency
She entered into a marriage with Nolan, knowing full well that doing so will put her in harms way. Getting involve with supes requires a different kind of mentality than you would have dating a regular human
Perhaps but we aren’t counting how much he fears becoming like his dad or other members of his species. Controlling his anger so he doesn’t just murder without warning,
I agree, snapping after what he went through is totally understandable. But…. he is a super hero. If he’s fighting a villain and snaps, kills them? Or harms his teammates in the process or harms civilians? Losing control of your emotions on the job, especially when lives are in the balance is pretty bad.
It is insane that Debbie is the favorite character of so many fans , when she has no powers or no gimmicks involved. just goes to show how well written she is.
Debbie is unironically the goat of invincible. She changed Nolan by showing him human values, her mere presence made Mark not turn sadistic like in other dimensions. Technically she is the sole person who's actions indirectly saved the earth.
It’s about setting priorities based on your current circumstances. Mark dropping out of college may sound a bit bleak on paper, but in the grand scheme of things, it’s the least of his concerns.
Debby has a broken arm, she's wearing heels and she goes on the slippery roof just to sit with her son. Definitely a wife of Omni-man and a mother of Invincible.
it shows that both A: she is very confident and quite impressive to balance that well in heels, and B: trusts whole heartedly that Mark both can and will catch her
@@Padlock_Steve did you watch the episode? She logically debunked Angstrom and did it in an angry way which makes sense given the situation and he literally tossed her like a ragdoll and broke her arm. Clearly she has weaknesses
@@Padlock_Steveah yes… totally not sexist… because calling something woke = excuse to be as sexist, racist and as homophobic as possible without consequences. (That’s how I got the idea anyway seeing how many horrible people use the term woke…)
I think it's more the whole beating a man to death with his blood drenched on your whole body, and the only hope against an empire of superman, and that his dad is a mass murderer who he still cares for that is in prison, and him raising his brother with Debbie.... stuff that made him cry. College is hard, and I'm in one rn, but Mark has it rougher than most characters out there and we haven't even gotten to the bad stuff yet
I honestly think if any of us were in his shoes we'd be in the same mental state. Think about it, all your life you lived as a normal person and suddenly you get all these cool powers and learn your half alien of a cool race. You start to leave behind your boring human life with all the emotional and social issues attached and are now this different being. Then you learn this new side of you is 1000x worse than you could have imagined, and worse yet you're one of them. You reject that new side and now you're stuck back at the life you took for granted. Except you can never truly go back.
@@spanner5940 "We haven't even gotten to the bad stuff yet." I mean, I know the "hug it out with Anissa" scene is looming over us beyond the other stuff that happens, but plenty of bad stuff has been happening to Mark already. Between the many encounters with villains who target those he cares about, being beaten within an inch of his life by a bloodthirsty MGM lion, getting beaten within an inch of his life again by his father who used his body as a weapon to massacre hundreds to thousands of people in densely populated cities while gloating how he could start another family should he resist a tyrannical space empire said father is a part of, and the struggles of balancing all that with having a civilian life and getting shafted for it every 5 minutes, I'd think the better phrasing of it would be something along the lines of: "And then it all got worse from there".
This was legitmly the best decision for him. So many Superhero stories have the issue of the MC trying to balance his Hero life and Regular life, weve seen it in Spiderman and that has screwed Peter multiple times, leading to unnecessary conflict. But Mark has multiple good reasons for dropping out and being a Hero is also technicly a job if you work for Cecil.
To be fair that's literally why people are going to college. So people can be deployed into the field who can in-time research and find out why these people can do they things they can do, and then use that data and information for the betterment (ideally) of mankind. You see this sort of thing all over the place in Cecil's government laboratories and research rooms.
@@derrick.t4031 people just like to hate on college for no good reason. And 95% of people who complain about college are just 14 year olds on the internet trying to sound cool
I Think Is not about study, Is More about have a normal life and have this "place" in life like a human AND not just be invencible, that Mark have Time and the place to be a normal person. But yhea if you can conquer the planet school can suck your meat (Sorry for bad inglish)
Yeah and honestly who can blame him? His dad lived for years amongst humans and still killed lots of people because they were inferior to him. Because its in his blood.
I was thinking Mark needed to do this since episode 1. It was silly the college didnt have a secret understanding with the GDA, he just kept missing classes and almost getting expelled. Not that he needed to go to college anyway.
Debbie was looking about his social relationships, is obvious mark has problems with that and college helps a lot with that, on the academic side yeah its kinda useless
@@cristobalbarra583And she's not wrong there. Things really start to go downhill once Mark starts losing touch with normal, everyday people in the comics.
@@cristobalbarra583 Sadly Mark also has a point. If anything a good "middle point" would be having mark say he will lesrm how to control himself (body and mind),while dtill attending digital courses to not lose touch with the normal people he tries to protect
Debbie wanting Mark to go to college is the same as Clark Kent wanting to have a 9-5 job as a reporter. Its not for the money or the future but the human interactions that keep you grounded and connected to the world. Ultimately though, Mark's point is also the same. He needs to get his powers under control because, in general, people with incredible powers (super or otherwise) need to be even more responsible (yes i just realized i ripped off spiderman lol) so that they dont become alienated/violent monsters like Homelander. I think thats why Debbie agrees. She must be so proud of Mark in this moment honestly, after seeing how his father let his powers wreak havoc on the planet, watching her son be so mature must be a huge relief.
I'd say that it does help in Clark's case that his job as a reporter integrates with his Superhero life in a rather healthy fashion too. Gets the word of what's going on and even gives himself an outsider perspective of his own Superhero identity. I can't remember where it was, but he does critique his own performance as Superman in some articles he writes. But yeah, just seems for a Superhero trying to find the right job that correlates with their duty and personal responsibly is tough onto itself. Take Mr. Incredibles' job at the beginning of Incredibles 1 being trapped in an office working for a morally bankrupt insurance company, before later being hired by Syndrome for something far more respectable and suitable for his caliber (even if the job was just a trap, lol, but hey the pay was nice). Just poor Mark who contrast to the others seems to have the whole dang deck stacked against him that trying to have a normal life on the side seems dang right impossible with one BS matter after another interrupting his day.
@@Raximus3000 it's not that uncommon for principles to have a final year at a high school and then move on to a college position. I can see the argument there though
@@Raximus3000 They can. Especially if they are being promoted from a previous field. My old High School Principle for example had his final year in 2009 and became a college Dean starting in the Fall semester at a SUNY college. Same thing occurred with our workshop teacher. Moved on to being a workshop professor at a CUNY college. Also just to clarify. SUNY stands for State university of New York and CUNY stands for City University of New York. Similar names, but they are handled by either the state or the city itself.
@@Keeneye47_Wolfkeen No, offence but that does not seem right. If the level of people at college is the same as those in highschools then what is the difference?
With his strength, speed and he can fly, he'd make a great carpenter, wouldn't have to worry about money. dude can lift a truck, I think construction might be a good fit.
@agustintorres4608 Mark is too smart just to do manual labor. What if he wanted to become a writer like his dad? Or real estate like his mom? Life is more than just using your physical strength every waking moment of the day.
Yea, that's how it should be. College is meant for fresh adults to live in their own and figure out who they are and expand their minds without being incumbered by materialistic responsibility. This growing idea that college is solely for gaining money in the future is a clear representation of humanities fall from academic grace. It's all about material and capital, it's why the average American is completely incapable of critical thought.
@@maozedong1913 it's expensive out here lol. But you aren't wrong. College means different things for many people. I feel bad for Mark though because in the grand scheme overtime since he got his powers he's losing everything he had in his old life. Like I don't think he wants to be a hero for all of his life but that might actually be what exactly happens. It sucks because this isn't a life path yk? Not everyone is built for this lol
Mark found his limit. Mark found his breaking point. And now Mark sees how much of a threat he truly is to the people around him. Best to get himself centered again before the next psycho comes along and he accidentally does something he absolutely should regret.
It's not the killing that upsets him. It's him losing control. How easy it was to just give in to the anger and rage. To so quickly switch from trying to stop someone to trying to kill them without even noticing. He thought he was stronger...
@@horrorfan117 That's the thing, someone will eventually push him again, backing his family & loved ones into a corner. Better to answer that challenge with righteous fury than a meek whimper, especially considering how dangerous his adversaries do get down the line.
@@jefftheindianchief8279 That's really beside the point. Giving into anger is not healthy whatsoever, especially for a guy with superpowers like Mark. The more he does it the more likely he is to get worse as a person himself and he understands this.
@@jefftheindianchief8279by doing so most versions of himself with his same background (good Marks who stood against their Nolans, fought the Viltrumites, allied thr Guardians and had the same/similar future experiences) just took over Earth after losing control one time too much Season 2 already showed us some glimpses of his bad temper and of his Viltrumite nature, eventually leading to this burst of violence and anger. He was so upset and scared not (only) because he killed a villain, but mostly because he saw how easily he can lose control of himself and let his Viltrumite nature loose, knowing that if he doesn't learn how to control this anger then it is only a matter of time before he crosses a line of no return
At least Debbie can keep the Fortnite sniper rifle. Edit: She’s gonna be so disappointed that it’s just a normal gun with a magma skin. I’m sure in the world of Invincible, folks are gonna think it was blessed by Damian Darkblood himself. Edit: Okay I guess Debbie is about to set some assholes on fire.
Debbie really is one helluva mom , went through a messed up/ Lie of a marriage with Nolan and almost lost her son, going through an emotional trainwreck even when she thought she could have some sort of sollace , helped raise Nolan's child Oliver and protected him from a guy who went through his own interdimensional flashback which got her arm broken , and she still chose to respect marks decision to dropout .... she literally one of the best moms in comic and cartoon histories
The problem about being heroes is making a lot of enemies who won't give you the peace to enjoy a normal life. From school days to work days, then finally settle down to enjoy family life...they never get those no more.
Facts on that the hardest part of this is you can’t always save everyone and you lose having a normal life because being a hero is about protecting everyone including yourself but you gotta know how to balance it out with your personal life
I’m glad she never blamed mark or lashed out at him knowing that all of this is also happening to him as well and he’s physically and mentally exhausted
That relies on someone actually wanting to buy them. Things are only worth as much as someone wants to pay. You’d have to convince them it’s worth mining and melting down properly. Plus, I’ve heard they’ve quite a lot of impurities in them. It wouldn’t be as simple as melting it down. It’s all iffy on if an asteroid you’d find out there would be worth the effort or not.
u are right, he can literally grab some other planet rocks or even work for NASA. (or NASA work for Cecil, idk, teleportation seems within the NASA responsibilities range)
Asteroids wouldn't really be anything special in this universe. There's multiple spacefarers, and a notable Martian until Omni-man killed him, along with Eve, who could turn stuff into whatever's necessary instead of asteroids, which usually don't have great stuff anyway. What WOULD be valuable is flying to an alien planet, grabbing some tech, then selling it to Apple or something. High tech for the public? Cecil might be mad, but you're rich now.
"I thought you were stronger." I guess Mark wasn't talking about brain boy, but he was saying it to himself. He thought he could control his rage but in truth, it really wasn't his fault. He's still human and take any person's loved ones and harm them, put them in danger, take their lives and that person will snap. Its not his fault.
Debbie's one of the realest heroes in the show. She shows that being a hero isn't about world-splitting powers or grand acts, but just loving people in your life and making the hardest moments more bearable.
This cartoon is great, not because it’s a super hero series, but because of Mark. Mark is being a real human being and that’s important, in some ways, to see in a series where a teen is a potential God like being.
Brah. Beyond anger issues, collage is such a bad idea for him right now. He needs to get so much better at his powers, and he knows it. Even if collage wasn't debatable as it is IRL now days, it would be a bad decision.
Debbie is the reason why I now understand people who say that representation matters in media, a notion I once scoffed at. Throughout the whole series so far she’s been nothing more but an ordinary person and a mom who is living in such a crazy world yet despite having her moments she holds so strong and firm the whole way through. She helped me understand what my mom does for me and my brother so much more and i genuinely have a much better relationship with my mom just because of Debbie and her role in this show. In a show full of characters with superpowers it’s the one main character without any supernatural abilities or features that is my favorite.
Honestly with EVERYTHING that mark has gone through in just the last 24 hours alone, adding college to that list when he doesn’t even want to be there is just asking too much
Debbie was such an interesting character this season and Sandra Oh did a fantastic job with the material. If any one thing can explain why this version of Mark is exceptional, being raised by a genuinely exceptional mother is probably it. I liked that she got to acknowledge this in her fight with Angstrom.
Invincible feels like such an amazing breath of fresh air. I love how they made Mark drop out instead of having to balance two lives when you’re always stressed about one so much that you can’t function in the other
He probably can. But he’s not going to waste funds healing an arm quicker when that arm isn’t essential. Having that arm a week earlier isn’t going to make her any better of a mom. Better to save such a pill for an emergency or when one of his fighters needs it. Its morally questionable but in a purely logical way it makes perfect sense.
Honestly, with all of the horrific things that happen to the Grayson family, they should live inside a highly secured military bunker instead of a normal house.
The problem is that Mark and Debbie are trying to hold on to whatever shred of normalcy they still have in life. The last thing they need is more social isolation to compound upon the extreme trauma they're suffering through.
A college degree is useless when he’ll live for thousands of years. By the time he’s around 40 it’ll be impossible for people to not notice he isn’t aging at all. He’ll have to give up his civilian identity eventually, so why struggle to earn a degree that’ll be useless in a minimum of 30 years?
I mean sometimes you want to learn about stuff But I don't think that's why Mark was in college I think he just wanted to go because it's normal. He deserves some normalcy.
THANK YOU!!! With super powers, you LITERALLY have any qualifications you could ever need. Plus he's got _lifetimes_ to get degrees. Man could get 12 doctorates by Nolan's age.
Just 12? I get your point. Nolan is also, presumably, hundreds (maybe thousands?) of years old though. I imagine Mark could get a few more than a dozen doctorates in that maybe lifetimes if he was devoted to the task.
Yeah, dropping out might be the best move possible. Mark is now one of the powerful on earth he's always gonna have to use his power to protect Earth, especially from Viltrum and he still needs to master his abilities physically and mentally
That's not why Mark dropped out. He dropped out to understand himself and his powers more. He needs to actually learn what he can do as invincible before he can be Mark Grayson
Mark has such a significantly longer lifespan compared to humans. The time based pressure of getting a college education at his age does not apply to him.
0:55 Oh Course You Do, Mark. You've Been In Space Twice, Fought Anissa, Broke Up With Amber, Another Fight With Angstrom And Now You're Dropping Out Of College To Focus On Saving The World.
Why was going into college even considered? He has a lifespan of thousands of years, superpowers, responsibilities etc... Its just so stupid on so many levels.
Honestly, Mark is already a better person then I'd have ever been with that kind of power. I work out everyday and used to ask myself, why I have back problems and why I don't have super strength. Mark proves why having powers would be hard, sometimes your'e just mentally overwhelmed and you snap in frustration. He didn't even do anything wrong in my opinion but that's just Marks character, he's genuinely good.
This hits different bc I'm the same way. Never been to college, my mom and family suffer from other family bullshit. And I'm the one who has to support my mom, while I deal with anger issues. It's too much most of the time
One drives you on the path to Superman, the other is the path to Homelander. You can even see this with real life - billionares, trillionaires are all insane psychopaths not because they're inherently that way but because they don't have any attachment to actual real life people. What they know of real life people are statistics, stereotypes, and anecdotes.
Honestly, with his powers, college is absolutely useless. Dude could be a world class athlete and dominate any sport if he wanted to, make a ton of money, or drill underground for natural resources or precious stones and sell them. Bro is almost immortal so he has more than enough time to teach himself anything he wants to learn. Dropping out for him is the best decision.
I love that they both have the same injury on the same eye. I feel like it's suppose to make a symmetry of some kind to the grounding of the pain they both share.
I love how this is the opposite of Spider-Mans personal struggle, which is feeling burdened by his superhero life. By the end of Season 2, Mark sees that trying to have a normal life causes him more harm than good. Cecil can give him a salary and Mark can fully commit to being a hero.
I mean when you’re stronger than everyone around you I doubt college or anything normal really applies to you. College isn’t the end all be all it’s a step in a future that you’re trying to achieve. If you don’t have a plan of what you’re doing then why are you in college?
College is good to expose yourself to new ideas and perspectives. Though in marks case he could just fly to Paris and spend 50 years there without growing old
@@Ironcorgi2 You can be exposed to new ideas and perspective on the net, even the weird kind. You can get lost down a lot of rabbit holes here even. Colleges, the good classes anyway, help build your intellectual skills systematically and, a very underrated function, a training ground for social networking.
honestly you can tell she understands and probably is proud too. working on himself to be a better person and be more in control is important. its what differentiates him from the versions of him angstrum were afraid of
It didn't really click in my head until I saw this scene but... I think the one of the most depressing parts about the Angstrom Levy fight is thinking about how, somewhere out there, there's a version of Debbie (might I stress, a version of Debbie WE KNEW) who watched her son crash through the wall of the house after flying into a rage... and then never saw him again.
Debbie is physically the weakest person in the entire family dynamic. But mentally she's the strongest. She held her own against Omniman and Angstrom. And when mark was at his weakest She remained as not only his last parental figure, but as his emotional pillar to comfort and reassure him.
I mean when you think about it, Mark is gonna live for thousands of years, meaning anything he could learn from College would be pretty useless in the long term and balancing his school work with hero work is frankly asking too much at this point.
Honestly I know how mark feels cause even tho I'm in college I feel like no matter what I do there is useless compared to what I can do without it. It's hard and it just makes me mentally exhausted especially with my situation.
What do you think she’s thinking about when she’s staring at the living room? Simpler times? The attack itself? How none of it would have happened if Nolan was there? There’s just so many ways to interpret that look.
College is really important for people to take. That's unless you're a superhero Viltrumite who needs to defend the entire planet from aliens and domestic planetary threats constantly and who already has ties to government heads.
Also when you're someone who'll live for thousands of years....likely even more given some crucial info later on, meaning Mark has all the time in the world to learn what he wants.
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Man. Debbie has got to be the strongest character mentally. Took all that beating and even had her arm snap, and she didn't even blame Mark, Oliver, or lash out at anyone.
She's just a great person. She has no reason to snap and lash out at any of them. All that nonsense is dumb modern day trends in storytelling and it sucks. It's like the Mark guilt trip thing where he thinks killing someone for the sake of protection is the same as killing someone for no reason even if they are innocent. It's a dumb moral equivalency
@@stormcutter59I think mark thinks like that now because he doesn’t want to end up like his father
Well wtf did Oliver do?
There’s a reason why mark is the good person he is
She entered into a marriage with Nolan, knowing full well that doing so will put her in harms way. Getting involve with supes requires a different kind of mentality than you would have dating a regular human
Interesting how Mark, Debbie, and Nolan all got a black eye on the same day in the same spot.
Damn you’re right
I was going to ask the same thing.
I was thinking the same thing
I guess their connection can’t be broken after all. The three of them and Oliver for better or for worse are all still a part of each other’s lives.
It's almost like the artists don't know a better way to show how beat up they got LOL.
"Anger issues" lol nah.
Mark is levelheaded. Losing your temper after seeing your mother with her arm ripped off is hardly a charscter failure.
Perhaps but we aren’t counting how much he fears becoming like his dad or other members of his species. Controlling his anger so he doesn’t just murder without warning,
except mark isnt a human, his anger issues aren't same as ours, him accidentally loosing it could end up with our planet being destroyed
I agree, snapping after what he went through is totally understandable.
But…. he is a super hero.
If he’s fighting a villain and snaps, kills them? Or harms his teammates in the process or harms civilians?
Losing control of your emotions on the job, especially when lives are in the balance is pretty bad.
It's not just anger issues. the viltrumites are coming and Mark needs to be ready to fight them.
@@JA9339 "Without warning"
It is insane that Debbie is the favorite character of so many fans , when she has no powers or no gimmicks involved. just goes to show how well written she is.
She’s as important as Bulma from dbz. They may not have power but they are supportive characters.
Debbie is unironically the goat of invincible. She changed Nolan by showing him human values, her mere presence made Mark not turn sadistic like in other dimensions. Technically she is the sole person who's actions indirectly saved the earth.
Yup. 😊
uh... her power is UNDERSTANDING!! It's an unbeatable power.
It's simple, really. Debbie is a noble soul, the noblest soul in this series. It's the beauty of the mundanen
lol that title. The thing is mark can go to college any time he wants. He’s functionally immortal dude could wait 100 years then go to college
Not sure that actually makes him feel better
Living for tens of thousands of years isn't functionally immortal. Monster Girl is functionally immortal.
Ya but his whole point his he doesn't need to
@@Bacxaber Every time Monster Girl transforms she gets younger.
@@Bacxaber maybe he is. has any of his race died of old age?
I'm glad she accepted his decision.
It’s about setting priorities based on your current circumstances. Mark dropping out of college may sound a bit bleak on paper, but in the grand scheme of things, it’s the least of his concerns.
Her ability to understand him goes beyond a great mother. I wish I could say the same, I wish my mother understood me like she understands him.
This is what makes this show fictional.
@@HPMCCPooTisHe can enter college galactic heroes xD
@@FilthyFrankenjoyer. Maybe she does, but you are simply selfish.
You want to drop school too?
Debby has a broken arm, she's wearing heels and she goes on the slippery roof just to sit with her son.
Definitely a wife of Omni-man and a mother of Invincible.
What I’m sayin
Except Omni man is sh¥t
it shows that both A: she is very confident and quite impressive to balance that well in heels, and B: trusts whole heartedly that Mark both can and will catch her
Debbie is one of the strongest in this show and she has no powers.
writers got to her for the worse tbh they threw out her alcoholism arc for the sake of powerful woman with no weakness cringe
@@Padlock_Steve Your mother probably didn't love you, lol
And a Fortnite sniper rifle
@@Padlock_Steve did you watch the episode? She logically debunked Angstrom and did it in an angry way which makes sense given the situation and he literally tossed her like a ragdoll and broke her arm. Clearly she has weaknesses
@@Padlock_Steveah yes… totally not sexist… because calling something woke = excuse to be as sexist, racist and as homophobic as possible without consequences. (That’s how I got the idea anyway seeing how many horrible people use the term woke…)
2:09 Steven Yeun is absolutely fuckin killing it out here
same with Michelle.
You said it💯💯
@@tochukwuudu7763you mean Sandra oh? 😂 Michelle yeoh is a different person
There's a reason I stopped watching Walking Dead after he was off it. He was the best actor on there, and without him the whole thing was hollow.
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You know college's hard when its brings a superbeing to his knees and tears.
I think it's more the whole beating a man to death with his blood drenched on your whole body, and the only hope against an empire of superman, and that his dad is a mass murderer who he still cares for that is in prison, and him raising his brother with Debbie.... stuff that made him cry. College is hard, and I'm in one rn, but Mark has it rougher than most characters out there and we haven't even gotten to the bad stuff yet
It is the true villain at end 😂😂
I honestly think if any of us were in his shoes we'd be in the same mental state. Think about it, all your life you lived as a normal person and suddenly you get all these cool powers and learn your half alien of a cool race. You start to leave behind your boring human life with all the emotional and social issues attached and are now this different being. Then you learn this new side of you is 1000x worse than you could have imagined, and worse yet you're one of them. You reject that new side and now you're stuck back at the life you took for granted. Except you can never truly go back.
@@spanner5940 "We haven't even gotten to the bad stuff yet."
I mean, I know the "hug it out with Anissa" scene is looming over us beyond the other stuff that happens, but plenty of bad stuff has been happening to Mark already. Between the many encounters with villains who target those he cares about, being beaten within an inch of his life by a bloodthirsty MGM lion, getting beaten within an inch of his life again by his father who used his body as a weapon to massacre hundreds to thousands of people in densely populated cities while gloating how he could start another family should he resist a tyrannical space empire said father is a part of, and the struggles of balancing all that with having a civilian life and getting shafted for it every 5 minutes, I'd think the better phrasing of it would be something along the lines of: "And then it all got worse from there".
@@jeffreyherrera5069Did you really diss Battle Beast like that?
This was legitmly the best decision for him. So many Superhero stories have the issue of the MC trying to balance his Hero life and Regular life, weve seen it in Spiderman and that has screwed Peter multiple times, leading to unnecessary conflict. But Mark has multiple good reasons for dropping out and being a Hero is also technicly a job if you work for Cecil.
True, but most heroes need a way to make money in conspicuously. Being a hero doesn't keep the lights on unless you're born with it.
@@senister14and how the other superheroes don't get paid so yeah
@@odd-dev ???
@@senister14i think the GDA just sets up a front and gives you a stipend like they always made Nolans books best sellers
I’m pretty sure in invincible they are covered by Cecil but then again Mark and Debbie seem to be the few to turn those offers down
If you can travel into outer space whenever you want to and have a gf that can materialize gold, college needs to learn from you.
I concur
I learned the fact I can't do that.
To be fair that's literally why people are going to college. So people can be deployed into the field who can in-time research and find out why these people can do they things they can do, and then use that data and information for the betterment (ideally) of mankind. You see this sort of thing all over the place in Cecil's government laboratories and research rooms.
@@derrick.t4031 people just like to hate on college for no good reason. And 95% of people who complain about college are just 14 year olds on the internet trying to sound cool
I Think Is not about study, Is More about have a normal life and have this "place" in life like a human AND not just be invencible, that Mark have Time and the place to be a normal person.
But yhea if you can conquer the planet school can suck your meat
(Sorry for bad inglish)
He pretty much told her "I have to quit college so I can mentally train myself to NEVER become evil."
Yeah and honestly who can blame him?
His dad lived for years amongst humans and still killed lots of people because they were inferior to him. Because its in his blood.
I was thinking Mark needed to do this since episode 1. It was silly the college didnt have a secret understanding with the GDA, he just kept missing classes and almost getting expelled. Not that he needed to go to college anyway.
Debbie was looking about his social relationships, is obvious mark has problems with that and college helps a lot with that, on the academic side yeah its kinda useless
@@cristobalbarra583And she's not wrong there. Things really start to go downhill once Mark starts losing touch with normal, everyday people in the comics.
@@thedorkone1516 downhill in the comics?
@@Mono_Entertainmentit think they may be talking about blue suit arc?
@@cristobalbarra583 Sadly Mark also has a point.
If anything a good "middle point" would be having mark say he will lesrm how to control himself (body and mind),while dtill attending digital courses to not lose touch with the normal people he tries to protect
Debbie wanting Mark to go to college is the same as Clark Kent wanting to have a 9-5 job as a reporter. Its not for the money or the future but the human interactions that keep you grounded and connected to the world. Ultimately though, Mark's point is also the same. He needs to get his powers under control because, in general, people with incredible powers (super or otherwise) need to be even more responsible (yes i just realized i ripped off spiderman lol) so that they dont become alienated/violent monsters like Homelander. I think thats why Debbie agrees. She must be so proud of Mark in this moment honestly, after seeing how his father let his powers wreak havoc on the planet, watching her son be so mature must be a huge relief.
I'd say that it does help in Clark's case that his job as a reporter integrates with his Superhero life in a rather healthy fashion too. Gets the word of what's going on and even gives himself an outsider perspective of his own Superhero identity. I can't remember where it was, but he does critique his own performance as Superman in some articles he writes.
But yeah, just seems for a Superhero trying to find the right job that correlates with their duty and personal responsibly is tough onto itself. Take Mr. Incredibles' job at the beginning of Incredibles 1 being trapped in an office working for a morally bankrupt insurance company, before later being hired by Syndrome for something far more respectable and suitable for his caliber (even if the job was just a trap, lol, but hey the pay was nice).
Just poor Mark who contrast to the others seems to have the whole dang deck stacked against him that trying to have a normal life on the side seems dang right impossible with one BS matter after another interrupting his day.
@@RandoGrunt oh i def agree, they’re not 1:1 comparisons
Dean Winslow said it best.
Whatever he decides to do, he has to commit. He has to make a decision. And right here we see the decision is made.
Can you explain to me how the hell a highschool principal became a dean to a college?
If you ask me Cecil had smth to do with it...
@@Raximus3000 it's not that uncommon for principles to have a final year at a high school and then move on to a college position.
I can see the argument there though
@@Keeneye47_Wolfkeen
So, in USA educators can just move around between levels of education like this?!
@@Raximus3000 They can. Especially if they are being promoted from a previous field.
My old High School Principle for example had his final year in 2009 and became a college Dean starting in the Fall semester at a SUNY college. Same thing occurred with our workshop teacher. Moved on to being a workshop professor at a CUNY college.
Also just to clarify. SUNY stands for State university of New York and CUNY stands for City University of New York. Similar names, but they are handled by either the state or the city itself.
@@Keeneye47_Wolfkeen
No, offence but that does not seem right.
If the level of people at college is the same as those in highschools then what is the difference?
Debbie is such a good mom.
Indeed she is. Indeed she is. ❤🎉
With his strength, speed and he can fly, he'd make a great carpenter, wouldn't have to worry about money. dude can lift a truck, I think construction might be a good fit.
Not a bad idea honestly.
Why does he need to go blue collar?
@@benaffblackCause we all have to.
@@benaffblackGotta pay them bills son....
@agustintorres4608 Mark is too smart just to do manual labor. What if he wanted to become a writer like his dad? Or real estate like his mom? Life is more than just using your physical strength every waking moment of the day.
Him going to college was so useless, it was literally an excuse to mess around.
That's what figuring out who you are away from your parents is, though.
Yea, that's how it should be. College is meant for fresh adults to live in their own and figure out who they are and expand their minds without being incumbered by materialistic responsibility. This growing idea that college is solely for gaining money in the future is a clear representation of humanities fall from academic grace. It's all about material and capital, it's why the average American is completely incapable of critical thought.
@@wolfofsummerbreezeor worse, he’ll live longer just like nolan said once
@@wolfofsummerbreeze, don't go 60,000 dollars in debt just to find yourself, that's ridiculous. Just go rent an apartment.
@@maozedong1913 it's expensive out here lol. But you aren't wrong. College means different things for many people. I feel bad for Mark though because in the grand scheme overtime since he got his powers he's losing everything he had in his old life. Like I don't think he wants to be a hero for all of his life but that might actually be what exactly happens. It sucks because this isn't a life path yk? Not everyone is built for this lol
I must capture the avatar to restore my honor looking ahh
Brooo 💀💀💀
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Wrong eye
"Your Zuko costume is pretty good, but the scar is on the wrong side."
@@Bionickpunk "THE SCAR IS NOT ON THE WRONG SIDE!!"
Mark found his limit. Mark found his breaking point. And now Mark sees how much of a threat he truly is to the people around him. Best to get himself centered again before the next psycho comes along and he accidentally does something he absolutely should regret.
No one would blame you for killing levy, the dude really needs to rest
It's not the killing that upsets him. It's him losing control. How easy it was to just give in to the anger and rage. To so quickly switch from trying to stop someone to trying to kill them without even noticing.
He thought he was stronger...
@@horrorfan117 That's the thing, someone will eventually push him again, backing his family & loved ones into a corner. Better to answer that challenge with righteous fury than a meek whimper, especially considering how dangerous his adversaries do get down the line.
@@jefftheindianchief8279 That's really beside the point. Giving into anger is not healthy whatsoever, especially for a guy with superpowers like Mark. The more he does it the more likely he is to get worse as a person himself and he understands this.
Nobody blames Mark but Mark, yourself is always the hardest person to convince
@@jefftheindianchief8279by doing so most versions of himself with his same background (good Marks who stood against their Nolans, fought the Viltrumites, allied thr Guardians and had the same/similar future experiences) just took over Earth after losing control one time too much
Season 2 already showed us some glimpses of his bad temper and of his Viltrumite nature, eventually leading to this burst of violence and anger.
He was so upset and scared not (only) because he killed a villain, but mostly because he saw how easily he can lose control of himself and let his Viltrumite nature loose, knowing that if he doesn't learn how to control this anger then it is only a matter of time before he crosses a line of no return
At least Debbie can keep the Fortnite sniper rifle.
Edit: She’s gonna be so disappointed that it’s just a normal gun with a magma skin. I’m sure in the world of Invincible, folks are gonna think it was blessed by Damian Darkblood himself.
Edit: Okay I guess Debbie is about to set some assholes on fire.
Real
😭😭 love you man
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Wait, is that still in the house?! 🤣
@@MrDibara Yeah it is.
Debbie really is one helluva mom , went through a messed up/ Lie of a marriage with Nolan and almost lost her son, going through an emotional trainwreck even when she thought she could have some sort of sollace , helped raise Nolan's child Oliver and protected him from a guy who went through his own interdimensional flashback which got her arm broken , and she still chose to respect marks decision to dropout .... she literally one of the best moms in comic and cartoon histories
The problem about being heroes is making a lot of enemies who won't give you the peace to enjoy a normal life. From school days to work days, then finally settle down to enjoy family life...they never get those no more.
Facts on that the hardest part of this is you can’t always save everyone and you lose having a normal life because being a hero is about protecting everyone including yourself but you gotta know how to balance it out with your personal life
I’m glad she never blamed mark or lashed out at him knowing that all of this is also happening to him as well and he’s physically and mentally exhausted
Its funny how they act like he couldn't just go into space and grab a couple valuable asteroids and be a billionaire overnight.
That relies on someone actually wanting to buy them. Things are only worth as much as someone wants to pay. You’d have to convince them it’s worth mining and melting down properly.
Plus, I’ve heard they’ve quite a lot of impurities in them. It wouldn’t be as simple as melting it down.
It’s all iffy on if an asteroid you’d find out there would be worth the effort or not.
u are right, he can literally grab some other planet rocks or even work for NASA. (or NASA work for Cecil, idk, teleportation seems within the NASA responsibilities range)
Asteroids wouldn't really be anything special in this universe. There's multiple spacefarers, and a notable Martian until Omni-man killed him, along with Eve, who could turn stuff into whatever's necessary instead of asteroids, which usually don't have great stuff anyway. What WOULD be valuable is flying to an alien planet, grabbing some tech, then selling it to Apple or something. High tech for the public? Cecil might be mad, but you're rich now.
He doesn't even have to with Eve around. She can literally manifest valuable and rare things out of thin air.
if we're saying this then i might as well say: all he has to do is marry eve and she can just conjure most of the things they'll need lol
"I thought you were stronger." I guess Mark wasn't talking about brain boy, but he was saying it to himself. He thought he could control his rage but in truth, it really wasn't his fault. He's still human and take any person's loved ones and harm them, put them in danger, take their lives and that person will snap. Its not his fault.
Bravo Vince!
@@TheRealGazelle this is the moment mark grayson became heisenberg
Man mark and his family can’t catch a break
Oh just you wait.
he doesn't know
Oh man I got news for u buddy
@@helrick2543 I know I read the comics and I know what happen to him
@@mirrorgem5931 nice. We will watch his Struggles with great enthusiasm together.
Take note modern writers, "THIS" is how you write a Strong women.
Not some jackazz women had super power bullied peoples around and called it sTrOnG
Honestly, this show does a really good job writing female characters (except for Amber, idk what happened there)
@@justaghostinthesea S1 Amber is what the Woke culture wanted S2 Amber is currently fixed.
Bro what💀🙏@@RaggenZ
Debbie's one of the realest heroes in the show. She shows that being a hero isn't about world-splitting powers or grand acts, but just loving people in your life and making the hardest moments more bearable.
This cartoon is great, not because it’s a super hero series, but because of Mark. Mark is being a real human being and that’s important, in some ways, to see in a series where a teen is a potential God like being.
Brah. Beyond anger issues, collage is such a bad idea for him right now. He needs to get so much better at his powers, and he knows it. Even if collage wasn't debatable as it is IRL now days, it would be a bad decision.
Debbie is the reason why I now understand people who say that representation matters in media, a notion I once scoffed at. Throughout the whole series so far she’s been nothing more but an ordinary person and a mom who is living in such a crazy world yet despite having her moments she holds so strong and firm the whole way through. She helped me understand what my mom does for me and my brother so much more and i genuinely have a much better relationship with my mom just because of Debbie and her role in this show. In a show full of characters with superpowers it’s the one main character without any supernatural abilities or features that is my favorite.
Honestly with EVERYTHING that mark has gone through in just the last 24 hours alone, adding college to that list when he doesn’t even want to be there is just asking too much
Debbie was such an interesting character this season and Sandra Oh did a fantastic job with the material. If any one thing can explain why this version of Mark is exceptional, being raised by a genuinely exceptional mother is probably it. I liked that she got to acknowledge this in her fight with Angstrom.
Invincible feels like such an amazing breath of fresh air. I love how they made Mark drop out instead of having to balance two lives when you’re always stressed about one so much that you can’t function in the other
Also, he get a sweet Black and Blue suit later on
5 milliom dollars to teleport a man yet can't even make a pill that heals bones quicker
Yet can make Donald a cyborg 39 times.
@@justsomeguy6336 Cecil is a jackass
@@justsomeguy6336”its expensive as hell”
He probably can. But he’s not going to waste funds healing an arm quicker when that arm isn’t essential.
Having that arm a week earlier isn’t going to make her any better of a mom. Better to save such a pill for an emergency or when one of his fighters needs it.
Its morally questionable but in a purely logical way it makes perfect sense.
@@daanstrik4293 which Cecil will never do
Honestly, with all of the horrific things that happen to the Grayson family, they should live inside a highly secured military bunker instead of a normal house.
The problem is that Mark and Debbie are trying to hold on to whatever shred of normalcy they still have in life. The last thing they need is more social isolation to compound upon the extreme trauma they're suffering through.
A college degree is useless when he’ll live for thousands of years. By the time he’s around 40 it’ll be impossible for people to not notice he isn’t aging at all. He’ll have to give up his civilian identity eventually, so why struggle to earn a degree that’ll be useless in a minimum of 30 years?
I mean sometimes you want to learn about stuff
But I don't think that's why Mark was in college I think he just wanted to go because it's normal. He deserves some normalcy.
Mark is the strongest super hero because he told his asian parent he want to quit college
In this scene, he proves to us that he is truly.... [TITLE CARD]
Debbie didn't get out the slipper. Both slippers.
THANK YOU!!!
With super powers, you LITERALLY have any qualifications you could ever need. Plus he's got _lifetimes_ to get degrees. Man could get 12 doctorates by Nolan's age.
Just 12? I get your point. Nolan is also, presumably, hundreds (maybe thousands?) of years old though. I imagine Mark could get a few more than a dozen doctorates in that maybe lifetimes if he was devoted to the task.
@@cosmicstoryteller3611Thousands
Mark was thinking about the existential dread of paying exorbitant college debt for the next 15 years of his life
what a responsible guy, I'm sure he'll get his anger issues under control and will never crush a child's neck with his bare hand
He might. Because being a hero is bullshit.
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Yeah, dropping out might be the best move possible. Mark is now one of the powerful on earth he's always gonna have to use his power to protect Earth, especially from Viltrum and he still needs to master his abilities physically and mentally
Its really sweet how mark debbie and nolan all found a way to match oliver's purple skin together! so wholesome 🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰
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Lol
Ooooh naaaah 💀💀😂
That's not why Mark dropped out. He dropped out to understand himself and his powers more. He needs to actually learn what he can do as invincible before he can be Mark Grayson
This is why mark is a better person than homelander
Bit of a low bar
Most people are better than Homelander. 😂
I feel like that's not really a high bar.
I see what you did there!😂
Homelander: I'm Better! I Am Better!😳
Mark: I Must Be Better! I Will Be Better!🗿
The bar is so low it practically under the ground
If you concentrate on Oliver’s reactions ,you will see that this is a baby with the mind of a 10 year old 😂
This is the greatest excuse for skipping school that I’ve ever seen lol
Mark has such a significantly longer lifespan compared to humans. The time based pressure of getting a college education at his age does not apply to him.
Marks whole family turned into zuko😂😂😂
finally said the same thing I was thinking wtf are you going to college for?
0:55 Oh Course You Do, Mark.
You've Been In Space Twice, Fought Anissa, Broke Up With Amber, Another Fight With Angstrom And Now You're Dropping Out Of College To Focus On Saving The World.
Why was going into college even considered?
He has a lifespan of thousands of years, superpowers, responsibilities etc...
Its just so stupid on so many levels.
Mom's are much stronger then anybody can imagine
Your anger issue results dry wall damage. Mark s anger issue leads to city s being leveled. 😂
Honestly, Mark is already a better person then I'd have ever been with that kind of power. I work out everyday and used to ask myself, why I have back problems and why I don't have super strength. Mark proves why having powers would be hard, sometimes your'e just mentally overwhelmed and you snap in frustration. He didn't even do anything wrong in my opinion but that's just Marks character, he's genuinely good.
This hits different bc I'm the same way.
Never been to college, my mom and family suffer from other family bullshit. And I'm the one who has to support my mom, while I deal with anger issues. It's too much most of the time
I'm so sorry you have to go through that man. Keep pushing things will get better with time. I promise.
Those black eyes looks like something straight out of SpongeBob
dropping college to become the emperor, damn
Damn, Mark's family just got named the Black Eyed Peas 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
I hope mark doesnt make himself crazy being invicible 24/7.
I love the mother and son relationship in this show.
"Tell Cecil you're gonna work full time"
i wonder if the show will have her also become a alcholic , theres tough scene with it thats super impactful
I think she already was, she just put a hold on it because of Oliver.
Debbie is already drinking all around the clock, it wasn't until Oliver's arrival that she stopped
They already did buddy
They did. She got clean at the end of episode 4.
to be clear theres a blow up she has in the comics on mark after omni man returns
Man this show is so good
whats the point of college if youll outlive the civilization that recognizes the piece of paper as a token of knowledge
One drives you on the path to Superman, the other is the path to Homelander.
You can even see this with real life - billionares, trillionaires are all insane psychopaths not because they're inherently that way but because they don't have any attachment to actual real life people.
What they know of real life people are statistics, stereotypes, and anecdotes.
Man its sad to see that mark wants to be normal again. He made the nbest choice leaving college best choice for everyone in reality.
Poor guy. He is very patient, but the thing is, with his power levels, he needs superman-like patience and care.
Honestly, with his powers, college is absolutely useless. Dude could be a world class athlete and dominate any sport if he wanted to, make a ton of money, or drill underground for natural resources or precious stones and sell them. Bro is almost immortal so he has more than enough time to teach himself anything he wants to learn. Dropping out for him is the best decision.
Why limit yourself to the prison of capital with powers like that?
Would you ask a free man to bend to the will of a tyrant?
I love that they both have the same injury on the same eye. I feel like it's suppose to make a symmetry of some kind to the grounding of the pain they both share.
I love how this is the opposite of Spider-Mans personal struggle, which is feeling burdened by his superhero life. By the end of Season 2, Mark sees that trying to have a normal life causes him more harm than good. Cecil can give him a salary and Mark can fully commit to being a hero.
he's literally me. ( i'm failing my class )
It’s funny is that all three members of the family getting hurt in the same eye side
He has his mothers eyes🥰
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More like eye.
They both have matching eyes now
This version of Debbie is far better than the comics, that one blames Mark for Nolans bullcrap unlike this one
I mean when you’re stronger than everyone around you I doubt college or anything normal really applies to you.
College isn’t the end all be all it’s a step in a future that you’re trying to achieve. If you don’t have a plan of what you’re doing then why are you in college?
College is good to expose yourself to new ideas and perspectives. Though in marks case he could just fly to Paris and spend 50 years there without growing old
@Ironcorgi2 it can also be a place for bad ideas and perspectives as well. I've seen both.
@@Ironcorgi2 You can be exposed to new ideas and perspective on the net, even the weird kind. You can get lost down a lot of rabbit holes here even.
Colleges, the good classes anyway, help build your intellectual skills systematically and, a very underrated function, a training ground for social networking.
@@mdd4296 that is true but the thing is it costs money as well which is something to consider
@@Ironcorgi2 New ideas isn't worth 100s of thousands of dollars of debt.
Voice actors truly are talented at their jobs I felt this scene
honestly you can tell she understands and probably is proud too. working on himself to be a better person and be more in control is important. its what differentiates him from the versions of him angstrum were afraid of
It didn't really click in my head until I saw this scene but... I think the one of the most depressing parts about the Angstrom Levy fight is thinking about how, somewhere out there, there's a version of Debbie (might I stress, a version of Debbie WE KNEW) who watched her son crash through the wall of the house after flying into a rage... and then never saw him again.
Debbie is physically the weakest person in the entire family dynamic. But mentally she's the strongest. She held her own against Omniman and Angstrom. And when mark was at his weakest She remained as not only his last parental figure, but as his emotional pillar to comfort and reassure him.
Not only does college make zero sense for Mark, but he could go do it anytime he wants because his life span is insane.
1:26 Mark finally said what I was thinking since the beginning of the season.
given that he could live for thousands of years at a minimum, its not like he needs to get any higher forum of education right now
bro is really going through the Kratos therapy
The lack of luck he has is not fair. I'm not sure I'd be able to live like that.
Meanwhile most of us with a college degree end up not even putting it to use
I mean when you think about it, Mark is gonna live for thousands of years, meaning anything he could learn from College would be pretty useless in the long term and balancing his school work with hero work is frankly asking too much at this point.
We must Be Better.
-Kratos
Back when college mattered
It still does. Probably even more than it should.
@@dillonstanley796 Depends where you live.
@adamhang7555 empirically does you still make more just don't pick wrong major.
@@dillonstanley796 Trade school. Make more money in two years than 98% of college students and be in high demand.
@adamhang7555 75k for a book you can buy at the library for 99 cents
Honestly I know how mark feels cause even tho I'm in college I feel like no matter what I do there is useless compared to what I can do without it. It's hard and it just makes me mentally exhausted especially with my situation.
What do you think she’s thinking about when she’s staring at the living room? Simpler times? The attack itself? How none of it would have happened if Nolan was there? There’s just so many ways to interpret that look.
honestly id say all of the above and maybe more.
Honestly that last episode, crushed me
I’ll rephrase what Cyborg once said:
“The murdering all that, that was Viltrimite strength, but the anger, the rage, that’s all mine.”
I agree. Even Superman feared about the slightest chance of not being strong enough, to accidentally hurting someone he loved.
Aw they have a matching black eye
even omni man too
Apple doesn't fall far from the tree
College is really important for people to take. That's unless you're a superhero Viltrumite who needs to defend the entire planet from aliens and domestic planetary threats constantly and who already has ties to government heads.
Also when you're someone who'll live for thousands of years....likely even more given some crucial info later on, meaning Mark has all the time in the world to learn what he wants.