1st Drive Audi Q4 e-tron 50 quattro & Range Test | 4K
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- I get my hands on Audi's entry level Electric car, their Q4 e-tron in 50 quattro trim. Is it worth considering, does it get close to it's claimed 298 mile range?
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Thanks for watching as always! The new Q4 e-tron is an attractive and more affordable premium EV, a fairly decent range too! Not massively exciting to drive though.... Cheers 👊
If you think this is one of the most boring cars you can buy though, you might need to drive a Citroen aircross or something 😂😂
There should be no cheap plastics in a 60 grand car I’ll never buy German just to expensive no fix price servicing and parts just rip u a new one joe but I always enjoy ur reviews saying that I’m thinking of buying a Tesla 3 performance here in oz only thinking about it haha 👍🇦🇺
EV's will never compete with the organic sense of an ICE but they are getting better. The Q4 is purely meeting the segment competition head on. I disagree though about being boring to drive, just out of a G30 and replaced with the etron 55 sportback, I was somewhat worried making the change from a car to an SUV let alone full electric but boy was I surprised.. 4 months in and far far superior on all levels to the 5 series. Done nearly 4k nationwide and its surprisingly great around country lanes giving the 2.6T mass. Audi do skimp in areas nowadays and clearly evident in this model but ev's are horses for courses. The network is vastly improving too but still a good distance to go. You need to appreciate this car as a practical all rounder first and foremost. Love the content Joe, bought my G30 influenced by your review in 2018.
Honest review great contain about some of the future cars ! The ev cars of future currently looks bleak for working man. Long live petrol heads
@@merseycourier4948 ye I think the main takeaway on their funness currently is the weight, but as the weight of ion batteries decrease the driving dynamics (and range) will increase. They’ll only get better.
great video, although we have just done our first long trip in our q4 40 etron and we got 302 miles out of it and arrived home with 5% left. absolutely love the car and really impressed with its range.
He was also doing some more spirited driving during the middle so that maybe contributed to like 5-10 miles of range lost. And awd model is less efficient
Drum Brakes - actually it’s a pretty smart move from Audi. Most EV disc brakes rust as they are never used, most braking is done by the electric motor. This is rear mounted on the Audi and they are designed to last the lifetime of the car.
Ask a Tesla driver how often he needs to replace his discs?
EVs do most of their regen on the rear axle and consequently the friction brakes get much less use than they would on an ICE car. This reportedly leads to corrosion of the rear brake surfaces and can result in mechanical issues (See Bjorn Nyland's video on his M3P rear brake problems). Although drum brakes may seem to be a backward step perhaps they make sense in the new world of EVs.
Spot on! Just look how Tesla drivers need to replace discs as they are never used and rust over.
Thanks Joe. I always enjoy your distance / economy challenges and your electric car reviews.
A genuine honest point of view Joe. Always great video's
Great video Joe. Love your real world range test videos. As with your 7 series test, very comprehensive and informative.
For everyone saying that you don’t want drum brakes on an expensive Audi; You just don’t need disk brakes as the electric motor basically is a gigantic brake. Unless you have a 600hp electric car, anything will do if you have good brakes in the front and an electric motor. In order to democratise electric cars this kind of cost-cutting makes total sense.
They feel and look awful
Any idea when you might be getting your hands on an i4 M50? I know they’re a few months away yet but excited to see what it’s like. I have a lot of expectations for it!
i wish you the best JOe with your channel. another great vid
Thanks Joe, seriously thinking of buying one!
I have heard Audi chose drum brakes because of increased corrosion. The regen causes the rear brakes from being even less used.
Exactly this
My Polestar 2 doesn’t use the wheel brakes until 1.1g of braking force is applied which means the discs can go rusty for a while.
People should understand EV braking before they start getting all excited about older tech brakes.
Always enjoyed your insight and importantly your honesty Joe, thanks for sharing this buddy.👏👍😀
Thanks for the video Joe. I’ve ordered an Edition 1 in 50 Quattro spec so was really interested in your review as not many UK reviews on the 50 so far. I’m replacing a BMW 520D touring which I accept isn’t the most exciting car but a “good” all rounder. I also considered the BMW IX3 - have you had chance to try one of those yet and if so what is your view vs. the Q4?
Drums on the rear at first I was skeptical, but after owning a Volvo XC40 Recharge with rear discs that are constantly rusting and seizing I think the drums while it may save them money are the right decision. Volvo had to update its software to make sure the brakes enable a bit even in regen to prevent the rotors from oxidizing. I am on my 3rd set of rear pads and rotors in less than 2000 miles.
Lovely review Joe,you have a great presence on the camera. Very natural 🙂
This is going in the cool section of the board.
I'm from Canada, so when I saw that car coming on the right side, I freaked out lol. Nice honest review of the car.
I could hear the enthusiasm you have for this car !
Very honest real world review 👍👍
Great review. I agree 100% about the looks. I think all the EV's coming to the market at the moment look terrific. Much better than the conventional powered cars. Clearly this is where manufacturers are directing their efforts.
Hi joe hope your well I’ve just watched both range test again with the two electric Audis fantastic videos btw(: just wondering why you don’t use efficiency mode? Do you think this mode makes much of a difference? What are you thoughts on it? Be interesting to know keep up the great work 👍🏻
Great video and honest review. Joe, what had happen if the battery died completely? Would one be able to push it by hand to the charging station? Cheers.
Would love to know which mode you drove this is, from the video was it mainly D? Can never decide if D with variable regen or B is best especially on motorways.
Nice test, i like that for us, even if the car is not so great to drive it, you make all proper tests so we know real things about these cars 😊👍❤
What was that Chris Harris podcast you were listening to? Thanks 🙏🏾
The current Suzuki Jimny (if you can get one) has rear drum brakes too! Great video as always :)
Lovely review! The honesty makes it shine as a worthwhile opinion!
Little question: I notice you got your AC on "low", do you reckon the milage would've been better if you didn't push it to low?
I can't see the outside temps, so I don't know how 'hard' the AC is working
A question for you Joe.
What did it cost you to fully change up the Audi e-tron
This is the best video I’ve seen on the q4 I’m getting aq4 sportback 40 edition 1 next year I can’t wait
And??
@@robertmaxwell5829 I got one and Hera’s that rare Audi reached out and we did an advert for them
Great reviews as always Joe!
Seemingly, they are engineering the fun out of driving. I'll stick with my V8 for now. Again, a well put together video. The enjoyment is watching your reviews 👍
if you have a v8 keep it man, dont ever sell it. these cars are gonna be the death of free driving
You are essentially comparing C63 with Q3 35tfsi…..why don’t you try the Etron gt and come back
Maybe don’t try to compare your V8 to a small city crossover. Drive a Taycan, E-Tron GT or a Tesla and see if you have fun
Great review and really interesting insight into the real world driving range of an EV. Massive pet hate of mine, people who don't indicate left as they are leaving a roundabout.
Bought an M3P 2021 couple of weeks ago and i always use the full regenerative breaking. Havent touched the breaks since i bought it. Its really epic and gives you additional range aswell
Get yourself an BMW iX3 for excitement in the same class. Fantastic drive.
Unless you want better comfort and AWD, but agree otherwise the iX3 is a great choice.
Great thorough review. You suggest going for the 40 but that car has RWD only. An Audi without Quattro? I would love to know how a 40 will drive. Any thing you can say now?
Shocked Audi started tapering the power of peak demand so early. Given the roads it would be impossible but a uniform test of 113kmh in a relative short circuit to zero out elevation changes is a better test. If the tech is helping you to stretch distance driven then it’s not revealing it’s efficiency and true capabilities or lack thereof. Great review that helped put this EV in to perspective.
Great video as usual, drum brakes are still commonly used on hgv’s so are definitely good for heavy loads etc. Despite this I’d still like to see discs on the back, however I guess before long we’ll be back to aerodynamic hubcaps and you won’t see the brakes!
Great video, honest and well presented. Prior to launch I thought the Q4 was the next car for me, not convinced now having seen one in the flesh. Also was lucky to drive the etron GT Vorsprung back in June. Very compelling car, but I'm on the fence about switching away from my B9 S4... Whilst I know the S4 isn't the pinnacle of the ICE generation, it (for me at least) is a difficult car to move away from into the EV world (especially as my target car is double the list price of the S4 when I bought it)....
When are you going to test the new iX3 ??
Nice review. It’s 2021 and they cut the break disks for cost savings, I am speechless ..
That’s a great video Joe ! One thing I noticed, the speedometer say 160 mph, but I’ve read the top speed is less than 120 on the top version… Being an electronic dial it looks really bad because they can’t say they use the same speedometer for all models !!! Anyway I find that car one of the best EVs currently available, only let down by not having a front boot and by a Skoda Enyaq which looks even better, has the same attributes and it’s cheaper… but those four rings add value to it so it is what it is. The new Hyundai Ioniq 5 seems to be also a strong contender but the aesthetics are not for everyone…
Caffeine and Machine looks like a cool spot, nothing like ti around here in my part of USA
Hi joe picked my one up last month s line 40 absolutely love it getting about 290 miles without air con with it on 260 but overall brilliant.
Does the Q4 have reversing cameras? Or one of those 360 views?
@@romille hi it’s got reversing camera
Expect 40 in USA in December but concerened about an Audi with RWD. How are you finding it? Do you feel less "secure" I cannot imagine an Audi without Quattro. Thanks.
Enjoyed that video Joe on the new Audi E-tron 50. Real road use and range is essential for potential buyers. Confess was nervous for you eking out that last mile on zero range. As you say familiarity will come and knowledge of reliable rapid charge access will relieve some of those “new” worries. Interesting one of your viewers regarding the drum brakes and that does make sense. We are now so accustomed to discs all round we feel cheated by what “appears” as a cost cutter by manufacturers. However disc brakes are prone to rusting if not used and definitely costlier to replace. Used on some great ICE cars like Ford Puma but also they use conventional cable handbrake. Not a fan. Great video looking forward to next one.
Joe, I'm a big fan of your channel and, just for the record, the videos are precisely the right length of time.😁
Oh and, while technically impressive and (thanks to legislation) inevitable soon, the likes of Q4 e-tron just don't float my boat. We need to appreciate the likes of M5 CS and 911 GT3 for the short time we can still buy them new....sigh!
Some amount of money for drum brakes and boredom that!
Great vid as usual Joe.
Are the rears Drum brakes??
What would he do if it konked out on the roundabout? It's not as if he could get it going again with a jerry can or USB power bank.
Isn’t this just a pimped VW ID4? That would explain the side profile, drum brakes, nasty plastics, switches etc
Or Skoda Enyaq VRS too?
It has VW logo on several parts... been in one today
It is worth viewing and driving both just to see how much better the Q4 e-tron is compared to the ID4, . Personally I wasn't blown away by the ID4, especially the interior, the Enyaq from Skoda is excellent though, and if looking for a more reasonably priced alternative to the Q4 e-tron the Enyaq is a great choice in my opinion. In terms of quality of interior materials the Q4 is excellent, the touch point plastics are all soft, of course there are some harder plastics in zones that matter less but this is the same on BMW and Mercedes.
You just explained every Audi model since the early 2000’s
I'm curious to find out how the Mustang Mach E would feel to you. Hope to see a review of that by you in the near future.
Great, informative video mate. Im umming and arring between the Q4 40 and the 50. The 50 has the plus of being AWD and a claimed range of 291 (although you just showed 260 miles)..But the Q4 40 has a claimed range of 316 miles! Hmmm... Decisions.. BTW, running the clock down to zero like you did, that would be operation brown for me!! Nerves of steel mate!
The Nissan Leaf has had single pedal driving for 3 years fwiw, pretty cool the Q4 lets you tune it to how much braking you want tho. I still find the torque exciting after 5 years of EV driving, each to their own. Yeah admittedly I can't throw it around corners but hey I've got a motorcycle for that.
Horse and cart brakes! 😆
Haven't even got drum brakes on my 25 year old Civic shed! 😎
EV’s very rarely use the mechanical brakes. All about the motor re-gen braking.
What happened to part 2 of petrolheadtours
Another good and informative video Joe. Although like you, I find EV so dull. Think you need to dust down the M2 and get that out on the road for more excitement! Preferably the Charlbury to Burford road where I live! Much respect! You made me buy my 240i!
I’ve got one so wish I hadnt
Achilles👊🏾
Joe this was an eyeopener as to what happens at zero charge it would probably go further but, I suspect it wouldn`t do the batteries any good but still another good video well up to your usual standard, still couldn`t afford one. why the large grill on an electric car? would that be to give extra cooling to the electrics maybe, I don`t know!!! see you on the next one.
The grill doesn't offer any cooling as there is no engine to cool, it is a dummy grill. Audi and BMW seem to grow their grills with every model, I guess it will take time for Joe Public to be weaned off the grill because it's on all cars and will look strange.
Did your trousers become a bit tight at 14.27 ? ‘Yeah, Feels ok!’ 🤣
Wow, didn't even realize that Audi were making junior versions of the e-tron. Makes sense though.
Why don’t anyone do a Q4 35 Sport sportback base model please
I do not recognise Aylesbury now since I worked there 23 years ago
I wonder what that range would be if you lived in city n worked in city I reakon you could get few more miles squeezed out it then that base model makes sense
My 2013 fiesta has drum rear brakes,and even I feel ashamed when washing the wheels (even if they do stay clean because of the drums 😀
Actually the touch buttons on the steering wheel also work as normal buttons. They can be pressed.
Was the point of electrical vehicles to have 2 tonners driving around...it kind defeats the purpose?
Drum brakes on 60grand car, amazing...
EV’s very rarely use the mechanical brakes. All about the motor re-gen braking.
The related Volkswagen ID.4 also has rear drum brakes. Unlike ICE cars, EVs have regenerative braking so they don’t have to rely entirely on rear brakes to stop. Plus, according to Volkswagen, disc brakes drag on the rotor and create enough rolling resistance to cut into the car’s mileage over long distances. Companies want to squeeze out every mile they can get on a single charge. Disc brakes also wear out twice as fast, are more expensive to fix, and release loads of brake dust into the atmosphere. Disc brakes simply aren’t cost effective for the company or the consumer.
"According to Volkswagen". According to me they look and feel awful, according to me it's literally a cost cutting move.
Seems you could have gone a bit longer with the car. You were still traveling at 50mph, when mine was that low (8 miles), the speed was down to 35mph, the turtle icon was flashing and my power meter was around 20%. Granted I was in the mountains, so that may have played a part in it. Pulled over with 4 miles of range and 13 miles to the charge point. Didn’t want to damage the battery.
Pano roof only available on Vorsprung which is annoying
Good review apart from your petrol head "I loved the Porche" mentality. You need to divorce what you love about petrol or high performance diesels from electric vehicles. I have a Maserante Levante S (you can love it or hate it - I like that it is rare - not another Macan/Cayanne/RRsport etc) But we are swaping the wifes Q2 for one of these. As a family runaround it makes huge sense - but I would struggle a bit having it as the only family car. It's a lovely thing to drive and a lot more 'familiar' to operate than the Tesla 3 we tried (we were considering a Y). We are a privileged 2 car household but my wife still needs to do 100 mile visits to her elderly Mum This works perfectly.. . For a ski trip to Tigne I'd take the Maserati
*Porsche spelling. Don't tell me how to compare vehicles, start your own channel and do things your way.
Great video as usual Joe. I still not sold on the EV thing yet, just seem a bit soulless. The charging network in the UK is also not great!
Next year Audi is upgrading their batteries across the EV models, to give more miles per charge and faster charge times. So hold off that purchase.
That's why I'm hopefully going to buy a 2023 model in 2024. We will see.
If I had the money I think that'd be the family car I'd buy right now. Seems the nearest to "normal", especially with the decent instrument cluster etc and the range is just above what I've always said would be the minimum I'd want.
I'm just about £40k short of the base model unfortunately 🤣🤣
Ordered my 40 s line last month. Hopefully due in September but with all the delays I'm not holding my breath despite the fact it's in build at the mo
Do you know how long it takes to be in the “in build” phase before delivery?
@@romille I've been told 4 weeks in build with no delays 🤞🏻
@@jonpriston8784 If you order one now, you get it in december/jan UNLESS YOU TAKE A SUNROOF. So if that matches your timetable somewhat?
@@LaNoches mine is in build at the moment with delivery mid September if all goes well 🤞🏻
@@jonpriston8784 I'll keep my fingers crossed for you!
Drum brakes?What an insult in this day and age!Cheers.
The insult is your lack of knowledge of EV braking before making your embarrassing comment.
FYI - EV’s very rarely use mechanical brakes as the electric motor slows the car down when you lift off the accelerator pedal. Drum brakes don’t rust as easy from lack of use 💡⚡️👍🏻
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Great review as always Joe,
2 months ago my wife and I went car shopping,
I went straight to the BMW dealership and ordered a 21' M550i in Individual Tanzanite Blue,
and she went for a Audi Q5 2.0T petrol. =(
You can relate to my perspective on what a car should be, for her it's just another appliance.
How do you compare this Q4 etron to a petrol 2.0T Q5? Should this be on the radar in 3 years for her?
Let's say if your missus asked for your input, Q5 vs. Q4 etron??? What would you recommend for her?
TIA
The M550i is genuinely a wonderful car. Accompanied a friend who test drove one and got to drive it myself too. Fantastically well built, soothingly comfortable and all the performance you'd need on the road. A brilliant all rounder. Sadly, can't afford it myself :), but I hope you enjoy yours.
@@Kelveron my heart wanted the M5 as a daily, but I went with my head. (Living in NYC the potholes eat away at your vehicles suspension and wheels) so I went with a more subdued option. Also, at the rate the cost of gasoline is increasing here, I won’t be able to afford it much longer either 😆
The Q5 50e is worth a look 300bhp with around 30miles electric range
Not too keen on the Austin Allegro steering wheel!
so one of these or a brand new rs5 . That pricing is just insane man. Drum brakes, no cover for the door trim and cheap plastic everywhere. Plus you don't even get the government grant. This car should be £45,000 maximum for the vorsprung model.
or just get a used 2015 rs5 with the v8 for a 3rd of the price
An RS5 or a mid-power SUV - pretty sure those are very rarely crossed shopped
So your saying a rav4 prime pretty much beats this audi in every category
EV’s, no real way around them and I don’t really mind. They aren’t exciting or fun, but 99% of my trips are boring motorways, city centres or with carsick passengers. Fiscal reasons will force me in an EV. I just hope to get decent range and a car that can stick to the roads at a decent speed. The range tests aren’t that useful to me. Range at 125 km/h is what is interesting to me. At lower speed I won’t spend over 2 hours in the car, but on road trips I will often cover 800 to 1200km. 300km at European motorway speeds seems like a good minimum. More would be nice. Hoping a BMW i4 40e fits in the budget.
Audi’s claims about drum brakes are sound.
Rear discs will just rust up from a lack of use and look fugly (source: my experience from living with an EV for 2 years 😜)
BBC need to sign this man up to top gear 👍
What? And ruin his future?
How long did you have to sit in the car in the dark and charge for , I’m sure that’s not what any people actually want to do after a full days driving , rather spend 5 minutes filling up with petrol.
Agreed. I would far rather plug in at home and charge up over night. Sounds nicer than visiting a dirty petrol station
Audi: Hey Joe do you want to review our new EV?
Joe: Sure, will be fun … I guess
Micky Dee's! Taking one for THE TEAM! That's awesome Joe! 🍔🍟 👍
I don’t find it useful when car manufacturers link regenerative braking with the throttle. It is quite hard to let the car coast, you have to keep your foot on the throttle all the time
You do have the paddles to quickly change that behaviour though. If i'm not mistaken, they advise B in urban zones, D outside
Sorry Joe, I've been a long time admirer of your output but I think you missed the mark here. What really does happen when you have no charge that's what I (and a lot more people I think) want to know and was expecting from this title. Do you have any power at all to work lights etc? That dark stretch of road you were on could be dangerous without them. A bit more real world would have been appreciated and helpful - a lot of us are being pushed towards electric and will no doubt be forced into them at some point.
Rant over - please continue with the vids!
The title says "what happens at zero range", I ran the Q4 until it had a displayed zero range. It appears it will continue for a few miles.
@@JoeAchilles1 OK then, I'll try a different way - any chance of testing it to no power? Did you tell Audi what you were planning on doing? Did they say "don't" ? If that's not what you're about then no problem but I did think you were one of the more genuine You Tubers.
I think the hazard lights work after the car comes to a stop. So don’t worry 😉. I think you will be ok in the dark
Nice real world test but as you say nicely finished and equipped vehicle but boring to use, and too expensive for the masses to drive, hopefully prices will drop sooner rather than later 👍👍👍👍
Great vid again, Joe!
I agree that those drum brakes are a nono for a car like this. I mean, EVs are supposed to demonstrate progressive thinking, so why in the world would anyone think we'd be OK with a brake from the time of my grandpa is beyond me :)
Styling-wise, I think the sportback is nicer, but I just cannot swallow the rear wing spoiler on it, I looks like a Honda Civic from 2005.
EV’s very rarely use the mechanical brakes. All about the motor re-gen braking. My Polestar 2 doesn’t use the wheel brakes until 1.1g of braking force is applied which means the discs can go rusty for a while.
I think it's just too much, considering you can pick up a barely used E-Tron 55 for around 50k. Sure it has 30ish less miles range, but I think it'll be far more comfortable than this, which is the whole point of a big SUV isn't it? Not that I can afford either!
Let's go on a range test in your M3 next. See how she does on a full tank of fuel.
Will do around 450 at this pace
It’s not just about the size of the grille, it’s the style of it, and quite frankly, the big BMW grilles look hideous. Audi’s aren’t great, but they do look better than BMW’s. As for drum brakes, even on lower powered cars, I can’t believe they’re still a thing.
The range topper, falls short on range. In 2022, they should be selling it with range of at least 350 miles.
drum breaks are a deal breaker, not to mention the lack of range compare to the competition. Hard pass. VAG group still needs to play catch-up to the competition, they are at least 1 generation behind.
I have a booked meeting with Audi reading for this exact car but those drum breaks have done it for me. No way I'm driving this joke
The whole battery power car thing needs an injection of honesty regarding so called green credentials that include all pollution created from rare earth metal mining, battery build and total car life and disposal at end of life. Better off for the planet to avoid new, maintain and keep your present car if in good condition if you want to do your bit.
If you need a new family motor like this consider a Citroen Berlingo 1.2, get a much more useful car, save lots of money and help save the planet into the bargain.
Best thing about battery cars is the contribution to clean air in conjested areas but bear in mind it's transferring emissions to the point of power generation .
Not so long ago we were persuaded to buy diesel cars by the estabishment to do our environmental duty. Don't trust them and do your own research. In my opinion £60k+ could be much better spent.
Rear drums? That's insane, even my sister's 2016 1.0L 90hp Ibiza has rear discs... A 60k car without rear disks, what the hell.
Yeah very strange isn't it, for something that weighs 2.2 tons too... 🤷🏻♂️
Why would you want discs when the rear axle has motors that not only brake fairly well but also regenerate energy whilst doing it.
It is normal for electric cars. They don't need as much braking power and they don't need to use brakes that often. Drums work better then discs for this scenario
The drum brakes are sufficient, as the rear brakes are hardly needed due to recuperation. Disc brakes will rust very quickly due to this fact and must then be replaced prematurely. Drum brakes, on the other hand, are virtually maintenance-free in this scenario and should last the life of the car.
In contrast to other manufacturers, the engineers at audi (vw) have simply put some thought into this, and the whole thing should be seen in a positive light.
@@m.b.5887 exactly, it's like asking for an engine to be put into this car because "an expensive car without an engine is a rip off"