Dave Talks About Useless Degrees
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Got my degree in western towel washing with a minor in advanced breathing. Cant seem to find a job though
😂😂
JTundra 😂😂😂 love the sarcasm! Hope it’s sarcasm...
lol
I majored in majoring with a minor in minors. still unemployed for some reason
😂🤣😂
At a university in my state (Bowling Green State University in Ohio), you can major in Pop Culture. I wish I was joking, but I am not.
.....seriously? some degrees are outright scams.
+Syed Ali Yes, really, it's true,. I checked Bowling Green State University's website, and they're still offering a degree in Pop Culture. Well, McDonald's is part of American pop culture. So I guess with that degree, one can spend a fulfilling career flipping burgers in McDonald's.
I wonder how many people actually choose that major. I remember hearing of a lesbian dance theory major and a star wars major. Then these kids go into them and then cry about the world bc they can't find a job lol
Oh yeah i read about that on buzzfeed.
People wants jobs so they are being sold the idea of doing a degree which is really a qualification focused on academia.
College is a business, wake up people
I. Storm haha even my bio professor stated this.
it doesnt stop college board members from approving pay raises every year for the exec members, then complaining about budget cuts and education cuts when bitching about not enough money funding from the state or donors (lol). its got the same ring of corruption tied around large businesses. @Coal Dust XIII
@chief tp because theyre "non-profit" which is a complete joke
No way. Really?
Can you please elaborate on a method of acquiring income that doesn't involve enriching a business?
I'm currently 900 thousand dollars in debt ever since I got my degree in Advanced Blinking. No jobs in my field...
whats advance blinking
Jobs in your area are fleeting, Blink and you miss em.
@@williamstephenjones3863 ba dummm tshhh
Did you try applying to work at the blinker fluid factory?
you should get a graduate degree, then you will find a job
In college I majored in "Finding a Parking Spot Studies." This is a valuable skill in downtown Nashville. I'm still working out the details on how to market this skill.
throwing shade since 1744 lol
Izurin how much $ have you saved 2 years later brah
Perfect example of using our language imperfectly.
Some phrases should never have been invented 🙄
Zachary Bohlman brah ?
BRAAAHHHHHHHHHHH
Acquire SKILLS, not pieces of paper. If your degree does not provide you with the skills and knowledge demanded by the society in which you live, you may as well not have that degree.
The entire industry of academia is based around knowledge, not skills. You people dogmatically think the world is based around skills because that’s what capitalism has taught you to value. You can get a degree in whatever you want and make a nice living studying and teaching it at university.
One skill often overlooked is the ability to think. Another is the ability to learn. This the focus of most liberal arts programs.
@@noahmcdaniel4920 underrated comment
Any degree can be worthless if it's not paired with focus and determination. There are millions of degree holders that don't understand the human condition, and that is what sets most people back in the pursuit of career excellence.
That’s so true. Well stated, thanks for this comment.
This right here!
What irritates me about modern day. If you do not have a college degree. You are label as stupid and unsuccessful.
Why do you. Formulate your sentences. Like that.
Tell that to people making money on social media and the internet. While the teacher is fringe some 💩 Toyota and the one who makes money on the internet is driving a nice BMW or Mercedes Benz.
You right so i decide to back to college 🤣 and planing to become a cop
Modern day has this thing called competition. They don’t view you as stupid in the field you’re applying for, they view you as stupid for not doing anything to 1 up everyone else that’s applying to the same job you are. Everyone else is working hard and what? You gonna make it by with confidence and a smile? Nahhh.
Don’t worry about that. Tupac didn’t have a degree or HS diploma and could talk knowledge every time the cameras were around.
...aaaaaaaaand he never mentions which degrees are worthless, and which aren't.
*has
Google it
Do computer science
Is it that hard to figure out? Gender studies, music degrees, art degrees, ballet, liberal arts, etc. Ask yourself: do major players in my field have this degree? Can I realistically get a well-paying job with this degree doing something other than teaching it? If the answer to both is no, boom.
@@TommyTombstone Art degrees vary. Somebody has to make the movies you watch and the video games you play or any kind of media entertainment. Not gonna lie though, it's a hard field to get into
I'm a philosophy major that makes a lot of money. I used my philosophy major to get into law school.
+Larry Duran You seems to the exception more people that get a certain degree are underemployed
I don't think any degree is useless unless you you don't have a goal. You have to have to start with the end in mind. It's not were you start but were you want to end up. The degree Does not make you, you make the degree work for you.
+Larry Duran sounds great but I'm talking from a view of being under employed so you do make the degree but that debt was too much
Are you employed yet???
+Larry Duran So you're practicing law, not philosophy.
No degree cannot compare to the most useless degree of all.. my school (University of Arizona) offers a degree in hip-hop.. I wish I was joking.
shut up! lol
I want to see the receipts. It's probably only one class.
i googled it just now and its only a hip hop studies minor. it's taught under the africana studies--so someone could major in engineering with a minor in hip-hop studies if they wanted to. from my understanding minors are pretty irrelevant, it's usually the major itself that gets you in the door--not the minor. plus, africana studies and hip-hop studies aren't too far off from each other; one could become an ethnic studies or africana studies professor and teach a course of the history and culture of hip hop.
wandering merde Rip I guess eminem wont be featured in it.
Hiphop is a multi-billion dollar music business. I'm sure you can do something with it if you're ambitious enough. There are worse degrees.
As a young male getting my Nursing degree was the best thing I ever did. I make good money. I get to help people. I can support my wife and myself while owning two cars and have enough for us to have fun every month and put into our savings. Nursing is where it’s at.
I am sooo happy to hear that!!I was starting to get discouraged into why I got into nursing because of the workload at college I began thinking, do I actually enjoy nursing?
@@itzelmontalvo6645 You can use your degree to get a healthcare related job, even if it is not exactly nursing. Trust me, a nursing degree is good to have even if you don't want to be a nurse, you just have to be strategic about how to get there.
Don’t get me wrong but aren’t nurses only making 70k or something?
@@melinas5432 - Depends on the state. Some states, RNs make an AVERAGE of about $120K. Some states only average $50K.
@@melinas5432 70k is still way over the poverty line everyone chasing 6figures these days without realizing not everyome needs to make 6figures I make a modest 50k going to school an live very comfortably.
Going to college or university takes patience, discipline, growth and maturity. That’s if you really put in the work and have a passion for what you do. I have a lot of respect for people that went to college/ university because to me it shows responsibility and discipline, irrespective of what their degree is of course.
It is one reason why commissioned officers in US military must have a college degree. Although people can enlist right out of high school, college is indicator of development for executive leadership in armed forces
According to my father, during WW2, you had to have a college education to drive a Greyhound bus, the rationale being the belief that college educated people make better decisions.
@@rosskeeling4459 And look what Greyhound is hauling now.
At least three of my great great uncles, who fought in World War I and II, received only a high school education, but cultivated the leadership experience they needed, on the battlefield, to receive commissions in the Army. One finished the first world war as a Captain, in the artillery, and the other two Majors in the Army. A degree does not translate into having leadership ability and just because you don't have one, doesn't mean you can't be a leader of men.
Another example, from the civilian world, is my step-father, who was dirt poor, dropped out of high school, yet successfully started a flooring business, which generates a million dollars in profit every year. If you have a degree, that's great, but don't discredit the people who don't, and don't assign traits to people who do, that they might not necessarily possess. Common sense, hardwork, and perseverance will out beat a college education any day.
@@tylerthompson8937 That can't be applied for an employer who's looking at the resume of someone without any work experience nor a degree. A degree is necessary to get a good first impression, your family members belong to a bygone era.
i think its more about the individual than the degree. my fiance got her degree in film, something i kind of thought was a bad joke, but now she landed a job straight out of school editing and compiling marketing videos for a company. a driven person will be able to make use of any degree
This. The reason we have useless degrees is because we have useless students. We have useless students because we decided everyone must go to college.
College should be only for rich people and such members of the poor and middle classes who are sufficiently motivated to rise above their station. Those people all should receive classical educations in languages, literature, mathematics, the social and hard sciences, and the arts.
Most people, whom we shall call The Great Unwashed, should become tradesmen or laborers, as befits their station in life. They do not need college - as we have seen it is wasted on them. They study either useless subjects like basket weaving, or idiotically narrow career oriented subjects like business or computer programming - areas far better suited to apprenticeships, not formal education.
@@cisium1184 the great unwashed are so depressing to observe
@@cisium1184 upset that a lot of poor people are smarter than you?
@@annastarr2043 awww what’s the matter? Sad that a plumber is probably making more then you could ever hope for, I call what you call, “the great unwashed,” smart people, more smart then you and I, and they will carry this society when others fail.
@@CountOfMonteCristo_ I spent my life doing volunteer work. Got sick of the scammers & malingerers are you one of them?
I tell people jusy because youre interested in something doesnt mean it will pay the bills
Night Rider , right.
Every time Dave talks about education I know he'll mention German polkahistory. Makes me laugh every time because I'm minoring in German!
+Diana Martinez german is boss
ja Deutsch ist eine schöne Sprache!
But what's your major?
Ben Song 😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Ben Song In 50 years, it might become an actual major with the way things are going. 😂😂😂😂
Just putting this out there.. I make 55k a year working in manufacturing plant. On top of that we get anywhere from %10-%20 bonus depending on output for the year. Also, the benefits are top notch and the 401k match is great too. Just wanna say it’s okay to get degrees but it’s also okay to work manufacturing,construction or warehouse jobs. I struggled because I thought I needed a degree when I was younger until I found this job and I love it.
Lmao yeah tell that to your body in 20 years. F those jobs. Get a degree in cybersecurity and sit on your ass for $150,000 a year.
You’re one of the lucky ones.
@@DagnirRen55 k is lucky?
Worked, received several scholarships, lived in cheapest dorm, then moved 20min away to a duplex with rent at $215/month, went to cheapest in state university, did 21 credit hours at a community college in one summer, did not have car payments or credit card payments and still needed fafsa loans. Thankfully I never needed any private loans. I love dave ramsey but, I just don't see how everyone can go to college debt free.
only rich people can afford it w/o debt
move to states like NY or CA at age 18. work at mcdonalds as an independent for 12 months and then file for state schools at age 19 /20. dont worry about graduating late.
just finish your degree. at the lowest cost possible. Reason why i mentioned CA and NY is because in these states your state tuition is zero if you make less than 100k and you have the added brand name of these states. for example .
City University of New York sounds better than Wabash College.
California State University sounds better than Monteclair University
Many people at my work are going to college debt free. Work and go to school at the same time. Some degrees require you to attend full time, so it will be hard to do with some degrees. It really depends.
@@cdsersd2d some companies will pay you for getting a education. But they dont pay for useless college.
@@kercchan3307 - People shouldn't go for useless degrees anyway.
I have a degree in an area of computer engineering and I still can't find a job. I need 5 years experience they say. Companies are deluded with wanting a skilled worker handed to them on a silver plate.
Kabuki Syneri they say that to scare off people like u. every company is going to say they want many years of experience but what's really important is if u know what to do not how many years u have been working
Whether they say it as a scare tactic or not. Years later, I still don't have a freaking job after having applied with over 200 applications. I don't even see the point in applying anymore.
Look for an internship if possible. What type of engineering field are you in?
Engineering has been hit by this the hardest because of the H1B visas to get foreign workers over for cheaper.
Get certs behind your belt, internships, build relationships with employers, move to a more employable city. Its something YOU'RE not doing, no reason you should be without a job years after graduating.
My path is very unconventional but I couldn't afford to go to college straight out of high school (my single mom couldn't afford to save money and raise a family at the same time) and couldn't qualify for *any* loans. So I started working and saving up.
By the time I was 20 I opened a small business. I actively looked for opportunities and found one. Mind you, I didn't make millions or even hundreds of thousands. But with hard work and patience here I am 5 years later with enough money to pay for college debt free. Now I'll be able to study what was always of interest to me and it's also useful. I'll still be working part time so I don't run out of all my money but in my opinion if there's a will, there's a way.
I’d grow your business more. Idk what it is but it sounds like the business makes good money, and unless college would make you better money then it’s not worth it until you are a millionaire
hate when students get useless degrees and whine about having to pay back student loans.
Buffy McMuffin That's because they can't handle math and science. They won't admit it.
Or demand "forgiveness."
I couldn't handle the math or science classes. I took an easy major just to say I got a degree from a top 50 University. Sure my degree is useless, but it was 100% free for me. I got a job right out of college paying only $60K but I am single with no bills so I still do alright even on a low salary.
ONLY 60K? That's wealthy. After 6 years of college I make less than half of that.
that is why it is important to think about your career before entering college
I started working after high school. My father had owned a roofing company, and I helped him in the summers growing up. So, I started working for contractors. Then, I decided to become an insurance adjuster and got my license and certifications. I can't tell you how many companies I interviewed with that were quite happy with my knowledge level and experience. However, all the major insurance companies said the same thing of "sorry, I'd love to hire you because you're more knowledgeable than most people I hire, but we have a company policy that requires a 4 year degree." So, I got a job at a smaller independent firm that didn't have stupid company policies and never looked back. So ya, the whole college degree thing is out of hand also from the hiring perspective. Why would an insurance adjuster need a degree? No reason at all. Just some people and companies lack common sense.
Trackstar35 employers are fucktards! I have a degree and they tell me oh we want people with experience. They’ll hire someone with manual experience and an apprenticeship.
Degrees don't meant anything. If u don't have no hustle, u can get the most "useful" degree in the world - u won't be successful
Hustle is good, but some of the best workers in my company are very efficient. They work smarter, not faster. Some jobs require hustle, while others do not.
BAM!
@@cdsersd2d He doesn't mean fast, he means having will power and ambition to get a great job and a great opportunity
Dunno about this. If you have the hustle to do the work to achieve a stem degree, I don't see life slowing you much at all.
If you don't have a degree you probably weren't 'hustling' that hard.
Business, medical and engineering are some of the best and most practical field to get a degree in
And law and education.
Business majors rack up the most debt out all majors combined
@@xwrtk Most people I know who went into business didn’t know what they wanted to do with it and they didn’t want to major in something useless. I still remember my first two semesters in college when professors would ask business majors “what do you plan on doing with your degree?”. And they themselves had no idea.
@@xwrtk Nearly a quarter of all undergraduate degrees in the US are awarded to Business Majors
@@xwrtk no worries, business students will make it all back plus some when they get into politics (lifestyle free curtesy of the taxpayers).. also Law students. Gotta have that degree to learn how to play the system when they become politicians..Those two seem to go hand in hand, so gotta pay double.. but no worries..see above..lol
If they really cared about the student's education, they wouldn't have filler classes that make them stay longer and pay more.
Received my degree -majored in 12th Century Norwegian Literature-and here I am saying to people "did you wanna supersize that"? What's with that?!
what were you thinking when you choose that?? you can teach English or literature
+ladama It's a joke-though not too far from reality-you took it to be serious.
Oh wow!
someone has to know about Norwegian literature!
Sounds like a fantastic degree. Just because you studied something you love doesn't mean you have to get a job doing it. There are many ways to earn money.
I once heard someone say major in something that can pay the bills minor in something you love
No college degree is useless, and at the same time, all college degrees are useless. It's up to you to devise a long term plan. If you're studying philosophy, and you are not planning to get a ph.D or already have another college degree to supplement yourself, what are you doing with your life? If you're studying anything business-related, but not networking or taking internships, what are you doing with your life? If you are studying pre-med, computer science, or engineering, but failing your classes or getting Cs without trying to get assistance or investing more time to dig yourself out of the hole, again, what are you doing with your life?
Lack of financial literacy is another issue I seem to notice from College graduates.
Gender studies, art history be like: 💀
I say some are more in needed but yeah not degree is useless because you can still work in Research era right?
"If you fail to plan, you plan to fail." - that's what it comes down to.
Lol im studying philosophy and we do ask alot of questions like that.
Business, engineering, medical field, computer science. These are the 4 majors that are actually worth going to college for
Ti Klim wdym
Depends on the business degree that you get. For example business management is pretty useless while something like Accounting is a guarantee.
@Ti Klim business is good but it majorly depends on how you apply it in the practical world. Secondly it also depends on what business course you major in for example courses such as business administration and management are not job gurantees but it's more based on how you apply it and market yourself in the practical world whereas courses such as Economics, finance and accounting are more specialised degrees, hence they are more likely to be job gurantees. Lastly out of the top 10 richest people in the world, half of them have a business degree.
Maths, statistics and physics are also good careers
I’ve always said the same thing but I also include law :)
awesome material glad I've found your channel!
Lmao the sass in that letter. They basically laughed in their face.
This is why I majored in business with a minor in Human Resources. I was able to get a job paying over $40k while still in college
Im not sure if you active on this TH-cam anymore but this is exactly what I'm majoring in , I really wish we could speak further hopefully I get a reply back?
@@amierduque9671 what did you want to ask about?
@@musiicfreakk93 great ! I'm in Brooklyn college currently majoring in business administration and was wondering how you got this job and what is it ?
@@amierduque9671 Are you on the campus with the big clock on it? Go Bulldogs!
I graduated from a two year technical school with electro-mechanical technology in 1980 debt free by working at night and going to school during that day. The courses were designed to provide a well rounded exposure to optics, mechanical, and electronic disciplines. Xerox helped develop the curriculum so that one person could work on their copy machines since they contained mechanical, electronic, and optical components. I worked for a well known defense contractor for 35 years and rose from a technician to a high level nondegreed engineer during that time. I published numerous papers and some won company awards. I retired at 57 with very little debt, a nice pension, respectable IRAs and five rental properties providing excellent additional income. I tell young adults to skip college and find a trade to avoid debt and listen to you and Robert Kiokoski (sp?).
Got my degree in Silly Walking, now making over 100k at the Ministry.
Nice Monty Python reference.
I’m 32 and I have a PhD in microbiology. The Australian government paid for my tuition fee as it did for all postgraduate degree in research. I did some casual teaching at uni for USD$30-$33 per hour which is not enough to survive due to low contact hour but I’m so grateful for the fact that I don’t have student debt. Thank you, Australia! I’m currently working full time in different uni and I’m saving to buy a house.
A phd anywhere in the world is always free. As long as it’s a public university of course.
@@underwood9584phds are free?? I don’t think so
Uni is not free in Australia. Average Bachelors is 30 -> 40k which you can put on hecs which you pay off when you get a job.
If you put down that you went to San Jose State University and got a degree in Fine Arts, the employer looking at your application not only won't question whether you actually have that degree, he won't care either.
I’d be shocked if that Indian letter wasn’t fabricated centuries later for satire.
Even if it was, it sure is a golden piece.
Watching this as a liberal studies major, I dont regret it though. Success is doing what you want when you want. I am not in debt. I made sure whatever college career I entered with I would have a plan. The attitude where we call things useless can be detrimental. I feel we are all different with different interest and we should be free to make those choice. For example it's based on what you value. If you value money? Good for you! If you value travel? Good for you! If you value teaching good for you! Someone has to fill these occupations. Just make sure it's something YOU want to do.
Did you know the word success is only in the Bible one time? See what God says about success.
Keep telling yourself this. It's good for self esteem
@@sirennoir258 College graduates make on average $1,200,000 over their lifetime than non-college graduates.
source: APLU
These degrees are completely useless in Europe where Universities are mainly free or only have very low fees. I can't imagine someone taking a debt to have a "Romance literature" degree
Ok, so tell us how these young adult postgrads in Europe get ahead, Hoss.
@@ssian5678 pretty easily tbh
What degrees and jobs are in demand in europe? I am planning to study there
@@ssian5678 self-educate through books and practising the knowledge and skill you are learning from those books.
@@badass6300 Who are writing those books you blabbering clown?
I’m doing cyber security cuz I see a lot of potential. I’m really good with computers like I wow my programming professor at community college on occasion. And cyber security growing so much I find this degree to be super useful
I have an associates in science in Nursing best decision I've ever made. I'm now a registered nurse and because I went to community college not some fancy expensive university. I barely owe anything in student loans and have the income to pay it off.
My college offers an A.A in Basketweaving and a B.S. in Underwater Basketweaving. They provide daycare, meal card, boarding and a stipend. I am so privileged to study there... Simply outstanding!
One of my friends girlfriend graduated with a BA in Russian literature. She was complaining about how hard it was to find an engineering job (only jobs where we lived ) with a nontechnical degree. I had no words. I am an engineer and the gulf in understanding of what it entailed and how little she knew was jaw dropping. Worse yet, I suggested working for the intelligence community reading Russian intel. Except I found out she didn’t bother to learn Russian. She just studied the English translation.
Tf?
@@Lazymath007_ pretty much. This was clear back in the late 1980s so being foolish with education is not new. The difference is her parents paid for that worthless degree instead of student loans.
Yikes. That is BAD.
Man, this college business thing really benefits when people are unaware.
So missed the point of the whole books. Russian language translation is always wrong.
@@asahisagoiboi3517 yup. If she had learned Russian then she would have been able to get a good job not to mention actually understanding the material. Ironically with a physics degree I had to achieve mastery in Spanish and I took Spanish literature and read the texts in Spanish! I had more depth in language than she did!
I’d be careful what I call mundane. What one person values can be completely different to what another values. Creating meaning is unique to each and every person. Now what society values, and tries to implement meaning too is very different. But I feel every person going to college or at least most, know which degrees society rewards. Going against that shows your uniqueness, and doesn’t let outside forces pressure them into something they do not want to study or get into for the sake of a well paid job. Creativity and passion should take precedent in your decision, I think should be valued more. But too each his own I suppose.
forget college..skilled trades is where the money is at. a licensed plumber can make just as mush as anyone with a 4 year degree and there is never a shortage of work.
there's many forms of capital in life. Not just economic capital. There's cultural and symbolic capital, which being a plumber doesn't give you much of.
+Christina Bernat TL DR
I guess the money they charge you to get a symbolic degree is not symbolic though...
agreed..i know plumbers that charge $100 an hour and the people with all these fancy degrees have no issue problem paying when the hot water is out lol.
working shlub who wants to be a dirty plumber
It's not just about useless degrees. Be prepared before you go to college. If you have a "C's get degrees" mentality, plan on partying when you can, have no set plan to pay tuition, and/or have absolutely no idea about what to do with your major, then you're wasting your time and money. I know so many people who got their degrees, then never did anything with them. Most of these people still have loans to pay off as well. Honestly, I wish high schools would stress this more.
The final semester of high school should focus solely on how to research different career fields and how to get through college with the least amount of debt. College can be cheap if you know what you're doing.
Got my degree in computer engineering. 70K in loans to do it but I'm paying it off fast!
It should be borne in mind that many make the decision to specialize in a young age (18-19) and many students do not have the nerve to change the major after years
Great video! I never knew this was offered back in the 1700s. I love their reply!
how dare he insult my PHD in polka history
Great information Dave.
My degree is in "Underwater Basket Weaving", I graduated first in my class and I am now working on my masters in "Motionless Dance Studies".
They were even shady back then lol.
No degrees are a waste if you have a goal in mind. I hate people that make others feel their degree is a waste.
I have been reading a lot of comments here about the fact that it matters about the individual whether they are driven or not for the degree to matter. This is true, I totally believe this because there are so many people I know who have advanced degrees but work in a different field then they originally intended. Several I know didn’t use their degree at all and decided to work in lower paying jobs, for some odd reason.
German Polka History LOL
Right up there with Gender Studies.
Tommy Truth hey polka is way better 😤
“Useless” degrees don’t exist. It’s all about marketing yourself. Usually most degrees that people bag on like sociology have some business application.
Thats right. I took my Bachelor of Social Work, bypassed low paying frontline work - went straight into social policy and then into strategic and regulatory policy. No one really talks about the fact that actual policy work pays quite nicely.
@@ozstyl how much we talkin here, Blackwattle? I'm doing that degree now and everyone I know is badmouthing it/me.
I like your comment Rahul. Like for example Psychology. People say it's a worthless degree. My teacher has a friend that has a bachelor's in psychology and works for Google in marketing! I myself have a friend that also works for marketing, lives in Los Angeles and makes good money. Maybe 40,000. It's not rich salary but easy money for what he does. No plan, no future! So yes, no degree is useless!
I never quit! I will get my degree in bag piping I don't care that I'm in 300,000$ in student loan debt.
Jesus
Useless is only a valid description of a major if education is a means to an end. If I want to understand how to address poverty in low-income communities, a master’s degree in material engineering is useless. If I want to sway a judge’s decision on a major legislative issue, a degree in astrophysics is useless.
So what exactly is a useful degree? A university has traditionally been an institution associated with class. It is not until after industrialization that we started to perceive education as a means to an end?
Again, so what is useless? A degree in advanced microbiology might make bank, but they’re nor precocious thinkers. In fact, a lot of voters hold degrees in STEM and are just as uninformed and ignorant as someone living below the poverty line.
So.. useless for what?
a useful degree is one that pays for itself, a degree in pop culture is useless where are the jobs for that?
Cristóbal Trujillo I completely agree. In many cases, a university degree, is more of a status marker than preparation for a job. It is not “useless” but many people do not seem to understand its purpose.
Additionally, the economy today changes so quickly. There are many people who had degrees in fields that made millions in the 80s and 90s that don’t exist anymore. There are many of us now who work in fields that will not exist 10 years from now. The most useful thing you can have isn’t a degree in a “useful” field, but the ability to be flexible, pick up new skills quickly and never be so tied into one field that you can’t pivot as necessary.
@@kercchan3307 No, you're making the assumption that study is a means to an end, which is exactly what the OP was saying. If someone has an interest in learning about popular culture, then studying it at BA level isn't useless. You're entire contention is built on an assumption.
@@kaganplant167 a college degree should be designed to get a job in real life, culture degrees are arent worth the paper they are printed on. STEM degrees offer a far better chance to get a job in the job market. Culture degrees dont fulfill any real life jobs they just say I went to college and got a party degree.
any decent employer will pick the solid hard to get degree on a application over a party degree. unless it is a affirmative action hire.
I think most people should not go to college. College is becoming overrated in the sense that it preys on young people to go in thousands of dollars of debt when those young people are still figuring out what they want to do in life.
Trade schools are much much cheaper and pay much higher if all your looking for is a good paying job out of school. I’ve had friends who start working as electricians and construction straight out of high school and have making $80k+ salaries since they were 20 to 21 years of age with $0 debt!
The value of knowledge isn’t determined by how much money you can gain from it. The value of knowledge is determined by whoever values it.
Materialism and Profits aren’t the only reasons people seek education.
You can get knowledge by reading books, watching documentaries, you don't need to pay 50K in student loan debt and throw away 4 years of your youth to get "education", college is an investment, if you don't get good skills valuable on the labor market, then college isn't worth it
Виктор Гонтар I don’t think you understand the pursuit of knowledge at all. You genuinely believe the only reason to spend money on an education would be to make profits long term? I actually find that kinda sad. Regardless, many academics and professors would disagree.
Do you think Einstein spent massive amounts of time discovering the formula for general relativity so he could win millions of dollars? Do you think Descartes discovered Cartesian Truths because he wanted make ends meet? These people had a genuine drive to learn and it made them LEADERS in their respective fields, and it made their lives more complete in ways money could never do.
@@kingsloth4106 Let's examine your examples. First of, Descartes got a bachelor in Law, not in Philosophy. So it's pretty clear that he didn't obtain his knowledge in university. If he pursued Philosophy, it's because he was passionate about it. He got his knowledge by himself and by reading books written by other philosophers. And Einstein got a degree in mathematics and physics, which is a good degree. No they didn't achieve all these things by pursuing money, but by pursuing their passion. Descartes was passionate about Philosophy, but he wouldn't have been able to live of his passion in his early life. So he got a degree in field where he could make money and wrote about his Philosophy in his free time, before he got successful enough to live off of his passion. And if you are passionate about something worthy on the labor market like Einstein, then wonderful ! I don't advocate for pursuing millions in profit, just to be able to live comfortably and not being stuck as an underpaid waiter with 30 000 $ in student loan debt after getting a degree in film school. I always was passionate about history, but I knew I wouldn't be able to get a job with a degree in that field (especially in Russia), so I pursued another more lucrative passion: Programming. I fell in love with it, got a degree in Computer Science and now I live comfortably and still read books about history and watch podcasts in my free time.
Виктор Гонтар I agree with this position, but only because it’s a much more sensible position than the one presented in the video. Would it be beneficial for someone to have some kind of monetary stability before pursuing their academic goals? Absolutely. However, the guy in this video had a position that leaned more towards calling people’s pursuits in academia “useless” because it doesn’t have economic value, implying that degrees in academia only have value if you could possibly make money from it. That’s the position I’m trying to hone in on.
Quick point of correction: While it is true that descartes got a degree in law, he was in academia studying logic, Aristotelian Philosophy, and mathematics (Geometry specifically) long before any of his settling into law.
@@kingsloth4106 Wow, first time I see a TH-cam comments debate end that well.
I have grown to respect Dave Ramsey even mores with every segment I watch! Thanks for your wise input always Dave!
I agree that the cost of college degrees in America is absurd and that, as things stand, it's probably not a good financial decision to go into significant amounts of debt unless you can guarantee that your degree is going to provide you with a return on your investment. But there is still something profoundly depressing and almost inhuman about this modern tendency to view education purely as a means of getting a job.
No question there are a lot of questionable degree programs out there and prospective students should use projected data regarding career growth to determine if a program is worth the expense. However, with that said I think it is an easy cop out to just blame pieces of paper called degrees. I know plenty of people that went to school for these so called "useless" degrees and by every measure, finances included, they are highly successful. Conversely I know others that went for these same degrees that are working retail or some sort of job not related to their degree. I think the takeaway here is the ones that are successful worked a bit harder, sacrificed a little more, took more chances, and yes caught some luck to break their way. All degrees are not created equal. Some programs have enough job demand that if you satisfactorily complete the program and show a modest amount of work ethic you can walk into a financially rewarding career. Other careers have much more competition or just lack the demand so if you want to succeed you will have to work a bit harder and go through more blood, sweat, and tears than others.
The degree isn't useless, you are.
Someone with a engineering degree can be underemployed if they don't put in the effort and market/build their skillset.
That is 100% correct. It's good to be worried about GPA and work hard to get good grades, but the person who has average grades but has outstanding projects and internship experience will get the job compared to the person who just has outstanding grades.
Not everyone wants to major in a STEM field. Some people want to study what they are interested in, and some people just hate (or aren't good at) math.
That’s fine, you have every right to major in whatever you want.. just don’t complain when you owe 100k+ in loans and you can’t find a job.
No one is saying you HAVE to do STEM. We, and Dave, are saying that people study useless degrees when they can’t AFFORD to and then get upset when they can’t make more that $9 and can’t find a job that relates to their “interests”.. and then complain about the loans they signed up for.
I spent a year studying what i wanted but felt that there was no opportunity in it. So I switch. While I still enjoy botinay as a hobbie, but the year spent studying it was a waste.
Don't worry about a STEM field, I got a mechanical engineering degree and am still working construction...
So go to the library and read a book. Travel the world, go to an art museum, watch a lecture online. Don't spend $30,000+ on a useless degree in said subject.
I love to eat, so I will major in competitive food eating and have Joey Chestnut teach me how to eat more.
i might get heat for this but what about the idea of learning something that really interest you regardless of money. Not everyone is driven by money. The problem is how people learn. We no longer have to spend a fortune in expensive colleges to learn. Not in the internet age. But the idea that we should get a degree in subjects that are no interest to us is torture. Does money really control our actions that much? What happened to freedom?
M-agYn MusYk I Agree.
yeh but you're getting into debt for a recommended books list.
if you become a university teacher, all you have to do is reccomend books.
M-agYn MusYk sorry but without money your a loser..
If your doing something that pays 20-30k a year your going to be living paycheck by paycheck.
AlisaBosconovich Not of you're living on 15-20k a year
Yes my daughter, against my advice took a student loan and is living in debt. College is a scam
What did she major in?
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I paid 250k for the three big useless ones: philosophy, theology, history. At 18, I just decided to study the things I could concentrate on/did well at/really cared about. I'll write back again in 10 years to tell y'all if I regret it or not. So far, I'm indifferent- I did what I did based on what I knew about myself at the time.
Giuseppe Sarto go ahead and use that knowledge to change the world my man. No knowledge is useless knowledge.
Giuseppe Sarto From an employability perspective it doesn't look too great. Although, you would destroy anyone in a one on one debate.
Chris DePrimo no knowledge is useless, however not all knowledge is valuable and worth the investment
And don’t spend time worrying about “ who will hire me” don’t strive to an be employee, strive to be you own boss
Community college good for retraining
Holy FAAAQQQ! that was halarious! Heard every word. As a dude with a Masters in Native History who grew up in the woods you can't believe how much this hit home. Dave Ramsey. You nailed it. I need to find that quote.
They are not useless, my mom majored in economics and has two degrees in it but she never ever used them, my brother is majoring in philosophy (a degree considered useless) always says "I study to become more intelligent not to become richer"
sebastian aminoff if you put yourself in tons of debt to get “smarter” and not richer, you’re an idiot.
Unless he’s going to be writing books or teaching philosophy. Then there’s not really a point for majoring in just that.
Being in debt your whole life makes me think you are not smart
@@gustavogutierrez2709 There's no point in studying something for learning's sake?
Kagan Plant I mean if you have the money for it. But if you just want to learn about something, then your local book store would do just fine.
Its not that I can't find a job its that I slowly lose the will to live at the job
I spent a decade in my career field before I completed college. Looking back at the maturity level between then and now, I'm glad I did. Would've been a HUGE mistake!!
I found this video while googling videos about the major I plan to switch to. Glad to see that Dave didn't manage to get around to calling out the degrees he thinks are useless for fear that mine would be near the top. "Anthropology" does start with "a" after all.
I am 1 semester away from graduating in accounting and I have 37k debt and im scared and want to cry and it keeps me awake at night
i feel your pain, got nearly the same amount in debt and got shocked how low the salaries are, now am just doubting why i chose it as a major in the first place
It has been one year since your comment, have you found a good job? whats been going on man
My degree at the end probably doesn't look as prestigious as it could have been (dropped Law, finished Media & Comm) but thankfully I did a minor in Integrated Marketing Comms and decided Digital Marketing was for me! Honestly a lot of my learning has happened on the job (the degree touched on some of it) so for areas like mine it comes down to being willing to change and learn. To think that's what I get paid to do full time isn't bad 😏
Off with my cap and off with my gown. Time has come to leave this hometown.
Seventeen and 3/4 old was my age that first year. So, clearly I was prepared to pick a career.
Shall I go with the heart, or go with the head? Or just pick whichever fills me with less dread.
Oh, too many choices, and words unfamiliar. Maybe I should’ve just been a realtor....
And for those who may wonder about my degree, a bachelors in Fine Arts - concentration in Poetry.
If given the chance to rewind and start over, I’d be showing you houses from my Range Rover.
Love it Dave! That is a hoot!
Dave ramsey will tell you to count it all joy within all of your abilities
I was all geared up to take on a 9k/year debt for a Music Education degree with no guarantees of a job the summer after high school. Two weeks before I was set to go, I pulled out of the program. I went on to spend about 15k total on a 3yr associates in Computer Programming (with actual job prospects) and am currently in my 5th year of my career as a QA Analyst making upwards of 65k/year. I hope Dave thinks I made the right choice because I know I did. 🤣
No one goes into music expecting to come out wealthy.
Computer programming is like learning a new speaking language. Some people can't comprehend it and struggle to even get pass the beginners level.
You could make the same salary as a music teacher and only have to work 185 days a year. Always go with your passion! If you like computer programming though more power to you!
I don't think I'd enjoy Dave Ramsey as a friend. But... he's right about a lot of stuff.
Dave that was an awesome piece of history.
That story is absolutely awesome.
Typical US
Even the college degrees get commercialised
love this guy
Daniel San he doesn't sugarcoat anything
Oh my! I love that story so much
when he laughs its contagious
The goal of a Ph.D isn't learning that's only part of it. It's mostly about creating new knowledge and becoming a scholar that can create more knowledge.
In my opinion, college-education doesn't necessarily guarantee career success, but it is definitely an advantage compared to those who don't have an education. Education is like a long-term, relative conservative investment: the more years you spend time studying(accumulated invest), the high return you can possibly get compare to no school at all (especially for those who major in-laws, medicine). However, there are still lots of other factors comes to play at whether this "investment" can yield a good return. For example, the major you choose needs to fit your expected time frame you wanna spend in school (society expects more than a bachelor degree in art/science to get a good job), the major you choose might not necessarily have many jobs at where you live, and you might need to move around for an opportunities ect. Put academic aside, a personal characteristic also plays an important role in finding a job after school, for example, a person is not good at networking but want to stand out in acting/film industry(which is a field that basically depends on your connection), might have a hard time getting the result he/she wants in a certain period of time; opportunity and lucks involves as well; But one thing I will say, study more and learn more will always beneficial for anyone in a long run, no matter if it is coming from an institution or self-learning. Learning not only helps us broaden our views, think critically, but also grant us more opportunities (choices) in general.
The Indian Chief didn't come to play..his response is hilarious!!!!
the story isn't really relevant. Someone with a degree in astrophysics cant run or will not do well in native American societies either but we still need more of them in our society
That Native American clap back was masterful 😂😂
It all depends on your ultimate goal.I also have a law degree from Stanford. If you have a B.A. degree in Frog reproduction and plan on going to graduate school, why not?
Larry Duran you lie
Dave. I wish I could be on a podcast with you or a virtual meeting to discuss a major problem the country has that concurs with your show. I have so many other individuals who share the same concern. It is related to fire prevention, code enforcement, and the construction field. Please don't tell me that a graduate college degree holder in Mechanical Engineering can overrule an individual with nationally accredited certifications or licenses in such field. Mechanical degrees do not touch on topics such as fire protection systems, fire prevention approaches, etc. Unless they elected such classes, they should not even be part of those meetings unless they become entry-level individuals learning from others. I love this topic. Honestly.
Thank God I followed my own intuition. I just graduated high school and didn't attend college. One of my teacher's there spent a 100k in getting his master's for the the study of earth and couldn't get a job in any high schools!
I AM GOING BOWLING FOR THE FIRST TIME IN MY LIFE AND I AM GOING TO HAVE FUN
Blanca Julia Ramos hahahahahahaha have fun
The most useful programs are on the job training with actual work experience
This is gold & as true now as it was then
Found the extract very funny and incite full 👍